1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,184 --> 00:00:28,264 Speaker 1: From MoMA Mia. Welcome to The Spell, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,304 --> 00:00:32,104 Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm em Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick. And 6 00:00:32,184 --> 00:00:35,224 Speaker 1: on the show today, we are talking about a very 7 00:00:35,264 --> 00:00:39,144 Speaker 1: suspicious social media action that young Justin Bieber took a 8 00:00:39,144 --> 00:00:42,464 Speaker 1: few days ago. We're also talking about a video that 9 00:00:42,704 --> 00:00:45,464 Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni posted. It was behind the scenes of him 10 00:00:45,464 --> 00:00:48,344 Speaker 1: and Blake Lively during the film. It ends with us 11 00:00:48,704 --> 00:00:50,864 Speaker 1: and why it might not have achieved what he wanted 12 00:00:50,864 --> 00:00:51,144 Speaker 1: it to. 13 00:00:51,584 --> 00:00:54,664 Speaker 2: But first, but first, Emily, as you know, I'm always 14 00:00:54,664 --> 00:00:57,984 Speaker 2: on the cutting edge of new musicians, new music, the 15 00:00:58,024 --> 00:00:59,864 Speaker 2: hot sick beats that the kids are listening to. 16 00:01:00,504 --> 00:01:01,824 Speaker 1: That's exactly what you're known for. 17 00:01:02,224 --> 00:01:04,384 Speaker 2: Yes, as the person who only listens to Disney and 18 00:01:04,464 --> 00:01:07,064 Speaker 2: Broadway and a bit of pop, you know to be cool. 19 00:01:07,144 --> 00:01:09,624 Speaker 2: But anyway, I need diverse your palace, Yes, just to 20 00:01:09,664 --> 00:01:12,944 Speaker 2: make sure I'm Sydney releases. I can't be across everything page, 21 00:01:13,224 --> 00:01:16,464 Speaker 2: movies and TV. I know music not so much. Anyway. 22 00:01:16,784 --> 00:01:19,384 Speaker 2: A new singer is apparently about to drop a very 23 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:22,344 Speaker 2: sick album and her name is Northwest. Oh. 24 00:01:22,424 --> 00:01:26,624 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this moment since Lion King Measure. 25 00:01:26,784 --> 00:01:28,704 Speaker 2: She released a Lion King. 26 00:01:28,904 --> 00:01:32,264 Speaker 1: I've even put that thought out there in the universe. 27 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:34,184 Speaker 2: I mean, we'll wait to see how that episode plays 28 00:01:34,224 --> 00:01:35,984 Speaker 2: out on the upcoming hut Ashians, which is out in 29 00:01:35,984 --> 00:01:40,544 Speaker 2: two weeks. Very exciting anyway. So Kanye West shared a photo, 30 00:01:40,624 --> 00:01:42,864 Speaker 2: a really nice photo actually before we start being mean 31 00:01:42,904 --> 00:01:44,904 Speaker 2: to a child, which we will get to. Shared a 32 00:01:44,904 --> 00:01:48,064 Speaker 2: really beautiful black and white image of Northwest into studio 33 00:01:48,144 --> 00:01:49,664 Speaker 2: and the two of them making music together. 34 00:01:49,824 --> 00:01:51,424 Speaker 1: Where did he share it to? I thought all of 35 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:53,064 Speaker 1: his social media accounts are taken off. 36 00:01:53,184 --> 00:01:56,104 Speaker 2: No, he has his yee Instagram account that it was 37 00:01:56,224 --> 00:01:58,464 Speaker 2: taken down when he was like really in the midst 38 00:01:58,464 --> 00:02:01,304 Speaker 2: of his very intense mental health spiral and was putting 39 00:02:01,344 --> 00:02:03,944 Speaker 2: up a lot of really toxic and damaging and very 40 00:02:04,024 --> 00:02:06,824 Speaker 2: racist stuff. But they must have let him have it 41 00:02:06,864 --> 00:02:09,104 Speaker 2: back now because he posts every so often, but he 42 00:02:09,104 --> 00:02:11,104 Speaker 2: doesn't go on those big rams like he used to. 43 00:02:11,464 --> 00:02:14,064 Speaker 2: So he posted this image and it's of Northwest. It's 44 00:02:14,064 --> 00:02:16,664 Speaker 2: black and whites in a music studio, and the caption 45 00:02:16,824 --> 00:02:19,144 Speaker 2: says this little girl made me love music again. She 46 00:02:19,224 --> 00:02:21,064 Speaker 2: asked me to make beats for her, and I got 47 00:02:21,064 --> 00:02:23,744 Speaker 2: on the ASR chopped up beats for her album and 48 00:02:23,824 --> 00:02:26,584 Speaker 2: chopped up every beats for My bare Hand for Bully. 49 00:02:26,944 --> 00:02:27,904 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 50 00:02:28,144 --> 00:02:30,104 Speaker 2: So there's a bit of kind of back and forth 51 00:02:30,104 --> 00:02:33,464 Speaker 2: of when it's my bare hands. Yeah, he's an artiste, 52 00:02:33,744 --> 00:02:35,344 Speaker 2: So there's a bit of back and forth on like 53 00:02:35,504 --> 00:02:38,144 Speaker 2: is Northwest actually dropping an album because that hasn't been 54 00:02:38,184 --> 00:02:40,904 Speaker 2: posted anywhere, or is she just helping her dad out 55 00:02:40,944 --> 00:02:43,424 Speaker 2: on his new album? And his new album will obviously 56 00:02:43,504 --> 00:02:45,784 Speaker 2: be very exciting for fans because he hasn't released anything 57 00:02:45,824 --> 00:02:48,104 Speaker 2: since Donda came out in twenty twenty one. He's been 58 00:02:48,144 --> 00:02:51,704 Speaker 2: producing and stuff, but hasn't released new music. But from 59 00:02:51,744 --> 00:02:55,424 Speaker 2: that caption, it does look like Northwest might be dropping 60 00:02:55,464 --> 00:02:56,144 Speaker 2: an album soon. 61 00:02:56,304 --> 00:02:58,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, she has been like touring with him a little bit, 62 00:02:59,024 --> 00:03:02,464 Speaker 1: and like has been perform fashion shows and stuff. They're 63 00:03:02,464 --> 00:03:05,104 Speaker 1: not good performances, but she's a kid who's just in 64 00:03:05,144 --> 00:03:07,944 Speaker 1: fun with her dad. Remember that clip where she I 65 00:03:07,944 --> 00:03:09,944 Speaker 1: don't call her an artist, she's not an artist. Well, 66 00:03:09,984 --> 00:03:11,784 Speaker 1: she's like kid who likes to perform with her dad, 67 00:03:11,784 --> 00:03:14,224 Speaker 1: which we all did when we were that age, Yes, clarify. 68 00:03:14,304 --> 00:03:16,184 Speaker 2: Her dad is an artist, and some of the things 69 00:03:16,264 --> 00:03:18,264 Speaker 2: she gets up to do, I'm just assuming fit into 70 00:03:18,264 --> 00:03:20,104 Speaker 2: his vision, Like that time she got up at one 71 00:03:20,104 --> 00:03:22,824 Speaker 2: of his fashion shows and was just got saying over 72 00:03:22,824 --> 00:03:25,584 Speaker 2: and over again into the microphone, what are those? Those 73 00:03:25,624 --> 00:03:27,744 Speaker 2: are clothes? What are these those are closed? Do you 74 00:03:27,784 --> 00:03:32,744 Speaker 2: remember that scream? Over and over and over again, fearless 75 00:03:36,144 --> 00:03:36,984 Speaker 2: not making fun of her. 76 00:03:37,024 --> 00:03:38,704 Speaker 1: Oh wait are you talking about when I cut to 77 00:03:38,744 --> 00:03:40,344 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashi and he was crying. 78 00:03:41,624 --> 00:03:45,744 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, there's absolutely nothing purer so much. 79 00:03:45,984 --> 00:03:48,904 Speaker 2: And so what's interesting about this, though, is that Northwest 80 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:51,064 Speaker 2: has had a very big year in terms of the 81 00:03:51,104 --> 00:03:54,784 Speaker 2: Lion King performance. She's also very popular on TikTok. She 82 00:03:54,784 --> 00:03:57,984 Speaker 2: has a shared account with her mum. She's with Kim Kardashian, 83 00:03:58,064 --> 00:04:00,024 Speaker 2: like sitting in front row at fashion shows and going 84 00:04:00,064 --> 00:04:03,104 Speaker 2: to events. Photos of her like out of all the kids, 85 00:04:03,144 --> 00:04:04,664 Speaker 2: like a lot of them just say out of the spotlight, 86 00:04:04,904 --> 00:04:05,984 Speaker 2: but out of all of them. 87 00:04:05,944 --> 00:04:07,184 Speaker 1: She's like, where is that spotlight? 88 00:04:07,264 --> 00:04:10,704 Speaker 2: Yeah? Northwest is looking for that spotlight. And it's seems 89 00:04:10,704 --> 00:04:12,664 Speaker 2: from the teaser trailers we've seen that she's going to 90 00:04:12,704 --> 00:04:15,784 Speaker 2: feature very prominently on the next season of The Kardashians, 91 00:04:16,304 --> 00:04:18,984 Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting because one hand, people are saying, like, 92 00:04:19,024 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 2: stop exploiting her childhood. Stop kind of putting her out 93 00:04:21,984 --> 00:04:24,584 Speaker 2: the spotlight so much. Stop putting all this pressure on 94 00:04:24,624 --> 00:04:26,744 Speaker 2: her to put out an album and perform live, be 95 00:04:26,824 --> 00:04:29,424 Speaker 2: on a TV show, go to events when there's videos 96 00:04:29,424 --> 00:04:31,744 Speaker 2: of her when she's little, crying as the paparazzi taking 97 00:04:31,784 --> 00:04:34,184 Speaker 2: photos of her and her going no pictures, please, no 98 00:04:34,304 --> 00:04:37,344 Speaker 2: pictures when she was about three. But on the other hand, 99 00:04:37,464 --> 00:04:39,984 Speaker 2: I just feel like that girl wants to perform so badly, 100 00:04:40,344 --> 00:04:42,504 Speaker 2: and I actually feel like maybe they're holding her back. 101 00:04:42,544 --> 00:04:44,544 Speaker 2: I don't know if you watch that episode, the met 102 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:47,704 Speaker 2: gala episode. I did watch the episode when the met 103 00:04:47,744 --> 00:04:50,264 Speaker 2: Gala of the thing was the Carl Lagafield stuff and 104 00:04:50,304 --> 00:04:52,624 Speaker 2: they were cutting back to Northwest in the hotel room, 105 00:04:52,664 --> 00:04:55,224 Speaker 2: they showed her roasting her mother and the designer the. 106 00:04:55,184 --> 00:04:58,224 Speaker 1: Pearls look fake. These are very expensive, real pearls. I 107 00:04:58,424 --> 00:04:59,304 Speaker 1: like the pearls. 108 00:04:59,464 --> 00:05:01,224 Speaker 2: I just don't like that it looks like from the 109 00:05:01,264 --> 00:05:04,024 Speaker 2: dollar store palenc Yaga with my face covered something looks 110 00:05:04,024 --> 00:05:07,104 Speaker 2: like you're getting covered by a plastic bag and you're suffocating. 111 00:05:07,224 --> 00:05:08,304 Speaker 1: The pearls look fake. 112 00:05:08,504 --> 00:05:11,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they cut to design and like we're crying. 113 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:15,104 Speaker 2: And then they had her sitting with Kim stylists back 114 00:05:15,104 --> 00:05:17,104 Speaker 2: in the hotel room while the red carpet was going 115 00:05:17,144 --> 00:05:21,104 Speaker 2: on the met gala, and she was roasting all the celebrities, 116 00:05:21,264 --> 00:05:23,504 Speaker 2: And I thought it was really interesting how they never 117 00:05:23,624 --> 00:05:26,824 Speaker 2: showed which celebrities she was talking smack about. They only 118 00:05:26,864 --> 00:05:28,944 Speaker 2: showed the ones that she was saying nice things about, 119 00:05:28,984 --> 00:05:31,304 Speaker 2: which is people she knew, like Paris Hilton, she knows 120 00:05:31,304 --> 00:05:33,744 Speaker 2: my mom and all that kind of stuff. And I 121 00:05:33,824 --> 00:05:36,584 Speaker 2: just think they're trying to protect her by not letting 122 00:05:36,664 --> 00:05:39,584 Speaker 2: her trash all these public celebrities. But like, it's only 123 00:05:39,624 --> 00:05:41,304 Speaker 2: so much you can hold her back, especially when she 124 00:05:41,344 --> 00:05:43,184 Speaker 2: goes on the promo tour for her new album, Like 125 00:05:43,184 --> 00:05:45,344 Speaker 2: are we worried about how powerful this kid's going to be? 126 00:05:45,424 --> 00:05:48,064 Speaker 1: She's going to be so powerful. Do you follow nor 127 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:50,704 Speaker 1: Little Black Books on Instagram? I don't know who's behind 128 00:05:50,704 --> 00:05:53,384 Speaker 1: that account, but it is the best thing ever. It's 129 00:05:53,384 --> 00:05:56,624 Speaker 1: like a diary entry from Northwest whenever something happens in 130 00:05:56,624 --> 00:05:59,144 Speaker 1: their family. But I don't know a lot. 131 00:05:58,984 --> 00:06:01,824 Speaker 2: Of it's her raking on the other what she hates. 132 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:03,704 Speaker 1: I think they're in that position where they now have 133 00:06:03,784 --> 00:06:06,144 Speaker 1: to invest in their children because they're going to be 134 00:06:06,144 --> 00:06:08,544 Speaker 1: carrying their legacy if they want that legacy to exist 135 00:06:08,584 --> 00:06:10,304 Speaker 1: in the public like sphere. 136 00:06:10,504 --> 00:06:12,144 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing is now like they have enough 137 00:06:12,184 --> 00:06:14,824 Speaker 2: generational wealth if they decided to step away from the spotlight, 138 00:06:14,824 --> 00:06:17,504 Speaker 2: which I don't think they ever will, although Kim Kardashian 139 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,344 Speaker 2: said when she turned forty, she said she only had 140 00:06:19,384 --> 00:06:21,784 Speaker 2: a few good years left, so I guess she's counting 141 00:06:21,824 --> 00:06:23,664 Speaker 2: down on that. But they could just exist on their 142 00:06:23,704 --> 00:06:25,584 Speaker 2: wealth and all the money they make off their businesses 143 00:06:25,584 --> 00:06:28,944 Speaker 2: and endorsements and they own like wealth funds and investment 144 00:06:28,944 --> 00:06:30,824 Speaker 2: banking and all that sort of stuff now separate to 145 00:06:30,824 --> 00:06:34,264 Speaker 2: the TV stuff. So they could choose, like Robert Kardashian, 146 00:06:34,304 --> 00:06:35,864 Speaker 2: to just live away from the spotlight. But I think 147 00:06:35,904 --> 00:06:38,064 Speaker 2: the kids, like some of them like Northwest, have just 148 00:06:38,144 --> 00:06:40,584 Speaker 2: seen what their parents can do. Just want to put 149 00:06:40,584 --> 00:06:41,104 Speaker 2: that out there. 150 00:06:41,384 --> 00:06:42,224 Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait. 151 00:06:42,304 --> 00:06:44,424 Speaker 2: Cut to us doing this podcast in fifteen years and 152 00:06:44,424 --> 00:06:46,944 Speaker 2: we're talking about Northwest's eras too, that she's just stne 153 00:06:46,944 --> 00:06:47,624 Speaker 2: across the world. 154 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:54,824 Speaker 1: So earlier this week, Justin Bieber was making headlines literally everywhere, 155 00:06:54,864 --> 00:06:56,224 Speaker 1: because he. 156 00:06:57,544 --> 00:07:00,384 Speaker 2: Why are you laughing already, Emily, A marriage could be ending. 157 00:07:00,384 --> 00:07:01,184 Speaker 2: Pull yourself together. 158 00:07:01,304 --> 00:07:04,744 Speaker 1: He unfollowed his wife and mother of just five month 159 00:07:04,824 --> 00:07:09,104 Speaker 1: old baby Juck Blues Jack Blues, Hailey Bieber on Instagram. 160 00:07:09,144 --> 00:07:11,584 Speaker 1: He unfollowed her. It was very twenty fifteen of him, like, 161 00:07:11,624 --> 00:07:12,624 Speaker 1: you know, when you kind of have a fight with 162 00:07:12,664 --> 00:07:14,944 Speaker 1: your boyfriend and you're like, I'm on following you or. 163 00:07:14,824 --> 00:07:16,904 Speaker 2: Back when you're on Facebook, can you update from in 164 00:07:16,944 --> 00:07:19,624 Speaker 2: a relationship to it's complicated? And then all the comments 165 00:07:19,664 --> 00:07:20,744 Speaker 2: would be, oh, I hope you're. 166 00:07:20,584 --> 00:07:23,624 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, let me know if you need anything. 167 00:07:23,344 --> 00:07:24,824 Speaker 2: Like I can't talk about it right now, but yes, 168 00:07:24,864 --> 00:07:27,104 Speaker 2: I did update my Facebook status just for attention. 169 00:07:27,664 --> 00:07:31,184 Speaker 1: So that literally went completely viral. He then quite swiftly 170 00:07:31,384 --> 00:07:36,104 Speaker 1: posted some text on his Instagram story and said, someone 171 00:07:36,184 --> 00:07:41,584 Speaker 1: went on my account. Someone went on my account and 172 00:07:41,744 --> 00:07:45,264 Speaker 1: unfollowed my wife. Shit is getting suss out here. 173 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,984 Speaker 2: Because obviously there's been some really but obviously if someone 174 00:07:51,064 --> 00:07:53,424 Speaker 2: hacked Justin Bieber's account, the one thing they'll do is 175 00:07:53,504 --> 00:07:55,944 Speaker 2: unfollow Hailey Bieber and then leave there. I mean, that's 176 00:07:55,944 --> 00:07:57,624 Speaker 2: what I do if I had that kind of power 177 00:07:57,784 --> 00:08:00,264 Speaker 2: like it's just enough to mess with people without starting 178 00:08:00,264 --> 00:08:03,344 Speaker 2: any kind of big shit happening. But the interesting thing 179 00:08:03,424 --> 00:08:06,024 Speaker 2: is that there's been all these talks, I mean for years, 180 00:08:06,024 --> 00:08:08,624 Speaker 2: but also in recent weeks around the control Meta has 181 00:08:08,944 --> 00:08:12,824 Speaker 2: and the whole TikTok situation and censorship and people having 182 00:08:12,904 --> 00:08:15,384 Speaker 2: things blocked that you can't search for, people being like 183 00:08:15,864 --> 00:08:18,624 Speaker 2: signed up to follow accounts that they don't normally follow, 184 00:08:18,704 --> 00:08:21,064 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. So people have been saying, like, 185 00:08:21,104 --> 00:08:23,304 Speaker 2: shit's getting out of control in terms of like all 186 00:08:23,304 --> 00:08:25,824 Speaker 2: these theories around what Meta is controlling who we see 187 00:08:25,824 --> 00:08:28,744 Speaker 2: and follow, and Justin bieber Has it's like he's jumped 188 00:08:28,744 --> 00:08:32,344 Speaker 2: on that bandwagon. He's like, yeah, something weird is happening politics. 189 00:08:32,344 --> 00:08:34,544 Speaker 2: And the first thing they did was target my Instagram 190 00:08:34,584 --> 00:08:35,544 Speaker 2: statters with my wife. 191 00:08:35,584 --> 00:08:38,224 Speaker 1: That's literally exactly what happened. I think he used this 192 00:08:38,264 --> 00:08:40,944 Speaker 1: as a way of saying, oh, maybe now's the time 193 00:08:40,984 --> 00:08:43,384 Speaker 1: I can unfollow everyone who's kind of annoying me. Yeah, 194 00:08:43,664 --> 00:08:45,904 Speaker 1: because I mean she does post carouselves. Maybe that's not 195 00:08:45,944 --> 00:08:48,144 Speaker 1: for him. Maybe he just likes having her as a 196 00:08:48,144 --> 00:08:50,424 Speaker 1: wife and doesn't really need the social media presence of 197 00:08:50,424 --> 00:08:53,864 Speaker 1: her either. But I also saw an article saying that 198 00:08:53,904 --> 00:08:56,904 Speaker 1: if you might accidentally be following Trump and Jdvan it's 199 00:08:56,944 --> 00:09:00,104 Speaker 1: the vice president. And I went on Instagram and I 200 00:09:00,224 --> 00:09:01,144 Speaker 1: was following JDB. 201 00:09:01,384 --> 00:09:03,864 Speaker 2: I did see that before you pointed it out. It's 202 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:06,024 Speaker 2: so many people were saying, like, I'm really following this account, 203 00:09:06,104 --> 00:09:07,384 Speaker 2: check that you're not, and I saw. I went to 204 00:09:07,424 --> 00:09:08,584 Speaker 2: check that I was, and I'm like, oh, I'm not 205 00:09:08,584 --> 00:09:10,104 Speaker 2: following him, like Emily Urnam. 206 00:09:09,984 --> 00:09:12,184 Speaker 1: Is, yeah, because it will come up with all your 207 00:09:12,264 --> 00:09:15,024 Speaker 1: mutuals like this is embarrassing. I didn't ask for this. Also, 208 00:09:15,184 --> 00:09:18,304 Speaker 1: Damie Levado Grazie Abrams have both publicly said that they 209 00:09:18,304 --> 00:09:20,824 Speaker 1: were following like Trump and JD. Evans and they had 210 00:09:20,824 --> 00:09:24,104 Speaker 1: to unfollow them multiple times and they kept following them. 211 00:09:24,344 --> 00:09:25,624 Speaker 1: So it's like justin Biebers. 212 00:09:25,624 --> 00:09:27,984 Speaker 2: So it's a real problem, but it's not. We don't 213 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:28,304 Speaker 2: think it's. 214 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:34,104 Speaker 1: From what I've seen, it's only been people following the politicians. 215 00:09:34,144 --> 00:09:36,744 Speaker 1: And from working in social media, I do know that 216 00:09:37,104 --> 00:09:40,304 Speaker 1: Meta has the power to merge accounts and merge followings. 217 00:09:40,344 --> 00:09:43,384 Speaker 1: If you look at Kamala Harris's account, it's now come 218 00:09:43,464 --> 00:09:46,784 Speaker 1: up as an archived VP account, So I think they 219 00:09:46,864 --> 00:09:50,024 Speaker 1: give the official VP account two JD. Evans and then 220 00:09:50,064 --> 00:09:52,864 Speaker 1: everyone who was following Kamala Harris. They merged those followers 221 00:09:53,024 --> 00:09:54,904 Speaker 1: because he gained millions of followers. 222 00:09:54,984 --> 00:09:57,824 Speaker 2: What seemed like, yeah, absolutely not. I understand that Kaylee 223 00:09:57,904 --> 00:10:02,224 Speaker 2: Bieber is not a concernta right. Haylee Bieber, Kamala Harris, 224 00:10:02,224 --> 00:10:04,264 Speaker 2: and J. D. Vance have all made their way into 225 00:10:04,304 --> 00:10:05,304 Speaker 2: this segment. 226 00:10:05,184 --> 00:10:07,984 Speaker 1: So it's like justin trying to convince us that it's 227 00:10:07,984 --> 00:10:12,544 Speaker 1: also happening to him. But he unfollowed Hailey Bieber, so 228 00:10:12,704 --> 00:10:15,704 Speaker 1: he has been doing some suspicious unfollowing in the past. 229 00:10:15,824 --> 00:10:19,624 Speaker 1: Earlier he unfollowed Usher, who was his mentor in the 230 00:10:19,704 --> 00:10:22,824 Speaker 1: music industry, and then before that, he unfollowed Scooter Braun. 231 00:10:23,304 --> 00:10:25,664 Speaker 1: There's been a theory that's going around that he's releasing 232 00:10:25,704 --> 00:10:27,704 Speaker 1: new music and he's trying to do a Taylor Swift, 233 00:10:27,744 --> 00:10:30,224 Speaker 1: But I think he's going about it too slowly like 234 00:10:30,264 --> 00:10:31,704 Speaker 1: he was meant. I think what he wanted to do 235 00:10:31,824 --> 00:10:34,344 Speaker 1: was like a full cul of his following list and 236 00:10:34,384 --> 00:10:37,144 Speaker 1: start fresh. But I think he's just been slowly, like 237 00:10:37,264 --> 00:10:40,704 Speaker 1: manually unfollowing each person and it's just not working out 238 00:10:40,704 --> 00:10:42,544 Speaker 1: for him. And that kid's been famous since he was 239 00:10:42,544 --> 00:10:43,664 Speaker 1: like four years old or something. 240 00:10:43,704 --> 00:10:45,944 Speaker 2: I mean maybe it was ten, but he looked fo Yeah, 241 00:10:46,024 --> 00:10:47,744 Speaker 2: he just seems a bit confused with him. Well he 242 00:10:48,104 --> 00:10:50,344 Speaker 2: should know because he's been a spotlight for so long 243 00:10:50,464 --> 00:10:53,464 Speaker 2: that there's all these like different accounts and things that 244 00:10:53,544 --> 00:10:56,544 Speaker 2: like let people know when certain people unfollow people like 245 00:10:56,584 --> 00:10:58,984 Speaker 2: you can get an alert, and so he must know. 246 00:10:59,064 --> 00:11:02,424 Speaker 2: The moment he unfollows anyone famous, but particularly his wife, 247 00:11:02,584 --> 00:11:04,784 Speaker 2: it's going to go into headlines, isn't He on holiday 248 00:11:04,824 --> 00:11:06,304 Speaker 2: with Hailey Bieb at the moment they were. 249 00:11:06,184 --> 00:11:08,904 Speaker 1: Coming they were coming back from so As, they were 250 00:11:08,904 --> 00:11:11,344 Speaker 1: coming back from Aspen. They were with Kendall, Jenna and 251 00:11:11,424 --> 00:11:14,464 Speaker 1: Kylie Jenner and they probably had no Wi Fi so 252 00:11:14,504 --> 00:11:16,904 Speaker 1: when they landed they saw all of this happening. But 253 00:11:17,264 --> 00:11:18,944 Speaker 1: he made up for it. He posted a phone of 254 00:11:18,944 --> 00:11:20,784 Speaker 1: Hailey on the Stories with the caption. 255 00:11:23,024 --> 00:11:24,464 Speaker 2: How much of joy You're getting out? 256 00:11:24,504 --> 00:11:26,864 Speaker 1: And there is a caption was the greatest woman I 257 00:11:26,984 --> 00:11:28,304 Speaker 1: have and will ever know. 258 00:11:28,904 --> 00:11:30,984 Speaker 2: I mean that's nice. I guess I'm just. 259 00:11:30,944 --> 00:11:34,304 Speaker 1: Like, fuck it, take it, I don't care enough. Leave 260 00:11:34,344 --> 00:11:34,864 Speaker 1: me alone. 261 00:11:35,064 --> 00:11:36,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, He's like, look, I'm an He put up 262 00:11:36,744 --> 00:11:39,544 Speaker 2: a screenshot at one stage and he was following her again. 263 00:11:39,664 --> 00:11:41,544 Speaker 2: Just to like. He's like, they take that haters, and 264 00:11:41,584 --> 00:11:44,144 Speaker 2: I was like, that's not what people were upset about. Well, 265 00:11:44,184 --> 00:11:46,104 Speaker 2: I would just love the perspective of Jack Blues in 266 00:11:46,144 --> 00:11:48,344 Speaker 2: all of this. I can imagine them driving from Aspet 267 00:11:48,424 --> 00:11:51,144 Speaker 2: and getting back into Wi Fi range again and she's like, 268 00:11:51,384 --> 00:11:53,504 Speaker 2: the fuck you one followed me just because the other 269 00:11:53,584 --> 00:11:55,344 Speaker 2: night I yelled at you for like not putting your 270 00:11:55,344 --> 00:11:57,744 Speaker 2: dish away, and now you've unfollowed me and we're on 271 00:11:57,784 --> 00:11:59,704 Speaker 2: the front page of everything. He's like, no, baby, you're 272 00:11:59,744 --> 00:12:00,224 Speaker 2: the greatest one. 273 00:12:00,304 --> 00:12:04,624 Speaker 1: I go to bed, look it's happening to Demi and. 274 00:12:03,384 --> 00:12:05,664 Speaker 2: He's like, it's Trump. He's coming after me. And it 275 00:12:05,704 --> 00:12:07,224 Speaker 2: just cuts to Jack Blues and his babies in the 276 00:12:07,224 --> 00:12:09,584 Speaker 2: back and being like, you guys are pathetic. Oh I 277 00:12:09,664 --> 00:12:14,664 Speaker 2: love that. So Emily. We have been covering this, it 278 00:12:14,784 --> 00:12:17,464 Speaker 2: ends with us drama for a long time between Justin 279 00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:20,384 Speaker 2: Baldoni and Blake Lively, and a lot of information has 280 00:12:20,424 --> 00:12:22,264 Speaker 2: been coming out and do you feel like it's too 281 00:12:22,344 --> 00:12:25,384 Speaker 2: much information that you can't keep up with? Yes, well 282 00:12:25,464 --> 00:12:27,664 Speaker 2: you're in luck because thank god I said yes, I 283 00:12:27,664 --> 00:12:30,224 Speaker 2: feel I was like, I don't know where you'd got you. 284 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:31,544 Speaker 1: Said noahbout I've got it. 285 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:34,064 Speaker 2: Yes, well I think yes for everyone, Like we're following 286 00:12:34,064 --> 00:12:36,984 Speaker 2: it for our jobs, but even that's quite taxing. We're 287 00:12:36,984 --> 00:12:39,784 Speaker 2: doing a worktime. Well, you're in luck because Justin Baldoni 288 00:12:39,864 --> 00:12:42,984 Speaker 2: and his legal team have announced that they are building 289 00:12:43,024 --> 00:12:45,104 Speaker 2: a website that will be live soon that you can 290 00:12:45,144 --> 00:12:49,144 Speaker 2: access that has all their evidence against Blake Lively in 291 00:12:49,304 --> 00:12:52,744 Speaker 2: one place, all their videos, all the text messages, all 292 00:12:52,744 --> 00:12:54,544 Speaker 2: the letters. A website. 293 00:12:54,944 --> 00:12:57,504 Speaker 1: I know, Oh my god, I don't get Megan Markle 294 00:12:57,584 --> 00:12:59,504 Speaker 1: on the phone. She has all the experience in doing 295 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:00,664 Speaker 1: the exactly. 296 00:13:00,704 --> 00:13:02,984 Speaker 2: So this is where we're at with this situation that 297 00:13:03,184 --> 00:13:06,304 Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni and Brian Friedman, who is his lawyer and 298 00:13:06,344 --> 00:13:09,064 Speaker 2: who's spearheading a lot of this, have gone to the 299 00:13:09,104 --> 00:13:11,144 Speaker 2: extent that they are releasing a website and they're going 300 00:13:11,184 --> 00:13:12,344 Speaker 2: to put all the information on that. 301 00:13:12,464 --> 00:13:15,784 Speaker 1: Brian Freedman has no chill well actually going hard. 302 00:13:15,984 --> 00:13:18,944 Speaker 2: Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds are now trying to like 303 00:13:19,104 --> 00:13:21,064 Speaker 2: they've put a motion to the court that might not 304 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:23,664 Speaker 2: be the complete legal drug and but I'm you know, paraphrasing, 305 00:13:23,704 --> 00:13:25,824 Speaker 2: but told the court pretty much they said, can you 306 00:13:25,864 --> 00:13:28,264 Speaker 2: stop that man from going to all of these outlets 307 00:13:28,584 --> 00:13:30,824 Speaker 2: and releasing all this information because some of it can't 308 00:13:30,864 --> 00:13:32,184 Speaker 2: be used in court and a lot of it, like 309 00:13:32,264 --> 00:13:34,144 Speaker 2: his legal team know that, but they're just trying to 310 00:13:34,144 --> 00:13:36,264 Speaker 2: still win in the court of public opinion as well 311 00:13:36,264 --> 00:13:39,064 Speaker 2: as a legal court, and they put a motion forward 312 00:13:39,144 --> 00:13:41,984 Speaker 2: to stop him from talking to these outlets, from doing 313 00:13:42,024 --> 00:13:44,904 Speaker 2: all this press, from talking so negative about Blake Lively, 314 00:13:44,944 --> 00:13:49,144 Speaker 2: and releasing all this information because there's this whole avalanche 315 00:13:49,144 --> 00:13:52,184 Speaker 2: of media coverage happening that's separate to what's going to 316 00:13:52,184 --> 00:13:53,704 Speaker 2: be in the actual lawsuit. So we don't know if 317 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:55,424 Speaker 2: that's going to pass yet, but it's got to the 318 00:13:55,424 --> 00:13:57,744 Speaker 2: point where Blake Lively and her legal team are like this, 319 00:13:57,984 --> 00:14:00,104 Speaker 2: like Brian Friedman, this man, we've got to put a 320 00:14:00,144 --> 00:14:03,224 Speaker 2: stop to him because the public damage he's doing is 321 00:14:03,264 --> 00:14:05,024 Speaker 2: a whole separate issue that we have to deal with. 322 00:14:05,544 --> 00:14:07,904 Speaker 2: So what he's done this week since we recorded our 323 00:14:07,904 --> 00:14:12,384 Speaker 2: big episode about Justin Baldoni officially suing Blake C. Lively 324 00:14:12,464 --> 00:14:14,824 Speaker 2: and Ryan Reynolds and other people involved in their team 325 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:18,344 Speaker 2: four hundred mile Yes for lots of income and you know, 326 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:20,904 Speaker 2: loss of reputation, all those sorts of things, is that 327 00:14:21,144 --> 00:14:25,504 Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni and Brian Freeman have released a video that 328 00:14:25,704 --> 00:14:28,344 Speaker 2: was taken behind the scenes on the filming of It 329 00:14:28,464 --> 00:14:31,504 Speaker 2: ends with us, and it's a specific scene that was 330 00:14:31,584 --> 00:14:35,624 Speaker 2: mentioned in Blake Lively's lawsuit against Justin Baldoni and also 331 00:14:35,664 --> 00:14:39,744 Speaker 2: in his lawsuit against her. So in Blake Lively's lawsuit 332 00:14:39,784 --> 00:14:43,304 Speaker 2: that she filed, she specifically mentioned a slow dance scene 333 00:14:43,384 --> 00:14:45,904 Speaker 2: for a montage in which no sound was recorded, and 334 00:14:45,944 --> 00:14:48,984 Speaker 2: then she alleged that Justin Baldoni leaned forward and slowly 335 00:14:49,064 --> 00:14:51,864 Speaker 2: dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck 336 00:14:51,904 --> 00:14:54,984 Speaker 2: as he says it smells so good. When miss Lively 337 00:14:55,064 --> 00:14:58,224 Speaker 2: later objected to this behavior, mister Baldoni's response was, I'm 338 00:14:58,224 --> 00:15:01,944 Speaker 2: not even attracted to you. Oh so, then Justin Baldoni 339 00:15:02,024 --> 00:15:04,824 Speaker 2: his legal team released this video and they released it 340 00:15:04,864 --> 00:15:07,024 Speaker 2: to a number of different outlets like TMZ was playing 341 00:15:07,064 --> 00:15:09,344 Speaker 2: other places down the bottom, it says, with credit to 342 00:15:09,384 --> 00:15:14,784 Speaker 2: Brian Friedman, and it's the raw footage allegedly of this scene. Now, 343 00:15:14,864 --> 00:15:16,384 Speaker 2: you and I have both watched this footage. 344 00:15:16,424 --> 00:15:17,064 Speaker 1: I haven't watched it. 345 00:15:17,104 --> 00:15:18,304 Speaker 2: Very you don't watch the whole thing. 346 00:15:18,424 --> 00:15:20,904 Speaker 1: No, firstly, it's a ten minute long video. I got 347 00:15:20,904 --> 00:15:24,704 Speaker 1: probably up to the four five minute mark and I 348 00:15:24,704 --> 00:15:26,584 Speaker 1: had to turn it off. I felt like, firstly, I 349 00:15:26,584 --> 00:15:28,864 Speaker 1: don't know how camera crews do this, like watching such 350 00:15:28,864 --> 00:15:31,584 Speaker 1: an intimate moment happened with like no music and like 351 00:15:31,664 --> 00:15:33,704 Speaker 1: listening because they are talking in the scene. You don't 352 00:15:33,744 --> 00:15:36,544 Speaker 1: hear them in the actual movie, but they are actually 353 00:15:36,584 --> 00:15:39,584 Speaker 1: talking to each other when they're acting it out. I 354 00:15:39,664 --> 00:15:42,104 Speaker 1: just felt like very pervy watching it, and it felt 355 00:15:42,144 --> 00:15:44,344 Speaker 1: a bit gross, like it felt like something that there 356 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:47,424 Speaker 1: should only be two other people in the room filming. Yeah, 357 00:15:47,464 --> 00:15:48,984 Speaker 1: I guess that's such very intimate. 358 00:15:49,184 --> 00:15:51,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but I guess that's what filmmaking is, like, 359 00:15:51,704 --> 00:15:53,584 Speaker 2: it's doing all these things. And also, they would this 360 00:15:53,624 --> 00:15:55,264 Speaker 2: is just one take, like that would have been done 361 00:15:55,304 --> 00:15:57,544 Speaker 2: over and over and over again, Like whenever I've been 362 00:15:57,584 --> 00:15:59,344 Speaker 2: on film sets and you watch something, you just watch 363 00:15:59,384 --> 00:16:01,584 Speaker 2: them do it over again. And if you panned out 364 00:16:01,584 --> 00:16:03,584 Speaker 2: from that small shot, there would have been like thirty 365 00:16:03,624 --> 00:16:06,624 Speaker 2: people in that room around them and cameras going to other. 366 00:16:06,544 --> 00:16:08,904 Speaker 1: And complete silence. Yeah. 367 00:16:08,904 --> 00:16:11,744 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean that's just what I do. Context is 368 00:16:11,744 --> 00:16:14,104 Speaker 2: important here, because if we knew those two had a 369 00:16:14,144 --> 00:16:17,184 Speaker 2: good relationship and you had watched that video, it would 370 00:16:17,184 --> 00:16:20,184 Speaker 2: have seemed fine. It's knowing the context of what's happening. 371 00:16:20,224 --> 00:16:22,624 Speaker 2: I think that makes it seem so uncomfortable. So, yeah, 372 00:16:22,624 --> 00:16:24,784 Speaker 2: it's meant to be a montage shot. So they've been 373 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:27,904 Speaker 2: told to talk and laugh and be romantic, knowing that 374 00:16:28,024 --> 00:16:30,544 Speaker 2: music is going to be put across it. So they're 375 00:16:30,544 --> 00:16:34,504 Speaker 2: in characters, but they're having a conversation as themselves, like 376 00:16:34,664 --> 00:16:37,144 Speaker 2: and they're also not arguing, but they're having a discussion 377 00:16:37,184 --> 00:16:39,024 Speaker 2: over what will be more romantic. He wants them to 378 00:16:39,024 --> 00:16:41,784 Speaker 2: stare into each other's eyes and kiss and all that 379 00:16:41,784 --> 00:16:43,464 Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and he's saying, that's what my wife 380 00:16:43,504 --> 00:16:45,624 Speaker 2: and I do. Sometimes we'll sit and we'll stare in 381 00:16:45,664 --> 00:16:47,904 Speaker 2: each other's eyes for five minutes. And Blake's laughing and 382 00:16:47,944 --> 00:16:51,784 Speaker 2: throwing her head back, which justin Baldoni's team is arguing, 383 00:16:52,184 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 2: makes it look like she is like very happy to 384 00:16:55,224 --> 00:16:56,984 Speaker 2: be there and she's engaging. But you've got to remember 385 00:16:57,024 --> 00:16:59,144 Speaker 2: she's meant to be a woman in love, so she's 386 00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:01,744 Speaker 2: in character, but she's talking as herself. I guess, which 387 00:17:01,744 --> 00:17:03,704 Speaker 2: is the weird thing. And she's saying, like, no, I 388 00:17:03,704 --> 00:17:05,904 Speaker 2: think it's more romantic if we just talk. She's like, right, 389 00:17:05,984 --> 00:17:07,784 Speaker 2: and I just talk talk talk talk talk. I think 390 00:17:07,824 --> 00:17:09,704 Speaker 2: it's weird that you guys stare into each other's eyes. 391 00:17:09,704 --> 00:17:12,104 Speaker 2: Like that's just one segment of the video. And then 392 00:17:12,184 --> 00:17:13,904 Speaker 2: they sort of go on to different things and he 393 00:17:13,944 --> 00:17:16,944 Speaker 2: does lean over and kiss her neck and he says 394 00:17:16,984 --> 00:17:19,104 Speaker 2: something like, I hope I'm not getting beard on you today, 395 00:17:19,144 --> 00:17:21,024 Speaker 2: and she says, oh, I hope I'm not getting spray 396 00:17:21,064 --> 00:17:22,904 Speaker 2: tan on you, and he's like, no, it smells good. 397 00:17:22,944 --> 00:17:25,784 Speaker 2: So that's a spray tan comment. Like again, not defending 398 00:17:25,784 --> 00:17:28,104 Speaker 2: that still could have made her feel bad, but you're 399 00:17:28,144 --> 00:17:30,224 Speaker 2: seeing this moment, but there are also two actors who 400 00:17:30,264 --> 00:17:33,064 Speaker 2: are being very polite to each other. So his team 401 00:17:33,184 --> 00:17:35,704 Speaker 2: is arguing, like, this is the scene that she brought 402 00:17:35,784 --> 00:17:38,424 Speaker 2: up in her lawsuit. Look how comfortable and happy she looks, 403 00:17:38,464 --> 00:17:41,304 Speaker 2: and look how respectful mister BELLDONI is because he's just 404 00:17:41,344 --> 00:17:44,864 Speaker 2: in character. And then when that video came out, like, 405 00:17:44,944 --> 00:17:48,784 Speaker 2: Lively's team released a statement saying that this video proves 406 00:17:48,824 --> 00:17:52,184 Speaker 2: her statement even more so, her legal team said, look 407 00:17:52,224 --> 00:17:54,584 Speaker 2: how he's leaning in towards her, attempting to kiss her, 408 00:17:54,664 --> 00:17:57,504 Speaker 2: kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her neck, 409 00:17:57,744 --> 00:18:01,064 Speaker 2: flicking his lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her 410 00:18:01,064 --> 00:18:03,344 Speaker 2: how good she smells, and he talked with her all 411 00:18:03,384 --> 00:18:06,624 Speaker 2: out of character, with no discussion or no consent in advance, 412 00:18:06,664 --> 00:18:08,504 Speaker 2: and no intimacy coordinator present. 413 00:18:09,264 --> 00:18:12,464 Speaker 1: Look this video as uncomfortable as it made me, I 414 00:18:12,504 --> 00:18:16,904 Speaker 1: feel like it hasn't persuaded me in any different way, 415 00:18:17,144 --> 00:18:18,704 Speaker 1: like at all. Like I feel like it hasn't done 416 00:18:18,784 --> 00:18:21,864 Speaker 1: anything towards either of them. And similar to what you said, 417 00:18:21,904 --> 00:18:24,904 Speaker 1: like you can view it from three completely different perspectives. 418 00:18:25,224 --> 00:18:27,104 Speaker 1: You can view it in the sense where if you 419 00:18:27,184 --> 00:18:29,944 Speaker 1: have no idea that this dispute between them is even happening, 420 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:32,744 Speaker 1: it just looks like actors acting. You can view it 421 00:18:32,784 --> 00:18:35,384 Speaker 1: from his statement and going like, oh, yeah, it wasn't 422 00:18:35,384 --> 00:18:36,664 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. And then you can also 423 00:18:36,704 --> 00:18:38,944 Speaker 1: view it from her statement, going yeah, that's a bit creepy. 424 00:18:39,264 --> 00:18:42,064 Speaker 1: But depending like who you're leaning with, that's going to 425 00:18:42,104 --> 00:18:43,424 Speaker 1: be the way you view it. So I feel like 426 00:18:43,424 --> 00:18:46,944 Speaker 1: it hasn't really convinced anyone to change their point of 427 00:18:47,024 --> 00:18:48,424 Speaker 1: view from either end. 428 00:18:49,024 --> 00:18:51,704 Speaker 2: Yes to an extent, Actually, I mean that's the hard thing. 429 00:18:51,704 --> 00:18:53,304 Speaker 2: Because I watched it all the way through with all 430 00:18:53,344 --> 00:18:55,824 Speaker 2: the context in my head, I actually think it switches 431 00:18:55,944 --> 00:18:59,064 Speaker 2: context throughout, Like I'm not saying he wasn't being inappropriate 432 00:18:59,064 --> 00:19:02,224 Speaker 2: to her, because also you're only seeing one take, and 433 00:19:02,264 --> 00:19:04,104 Speaker 2: we don't know if there was additional footage, Like this 434 00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:06,824 Speaker 2: is ten minutes of what would have been hours of film, 435 00:19:07,064 --> 00:19:09,024 Speaker 2: So we don't know what happened before or after. We 436 00:19:09,064 --> 00:19:11,904 Speaker 2: don't know what conversations were as they were walking on set, 437 00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:13,984 Speaker 2: we don't know what conversations were had between when the 438 00:19:13,984 --> 00:19:16,224 Speaker 2: camera was on. And I think all of that stuff 439 00:19:16,264 --> 00:19:19,424 Speaker 2: would have affected what was going on because in some cases, 440 00:19:19,464 --> 00:19:22,904 Speaker 2: like there's allegations out there that Blake Lively made fun 441 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:25,464 Speaker 2: of Justin Baldoni's nose, but when you watch that clip 442 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:28,824 Speaker 2: in the video, she actually comes across looking fine, and 443 00:19:28,904 --> 00:19:30,824 Speaker 2: in the nose moment, he says, oh, sorry, my big 444 00:19:30,864 --> 00:19:33,624 Speaker 2: nose got in the way, and she laughs and says, no, no, no, didn't, 445 00:19:33,984 --> 00:19:35,544 Speaker 2: and then she's like makes a joke of like, well, 446 00:19:35,544 --> 00:19:37,304 Speaker 2: if you want to shut down filming, go take care 447 00:19:37,304 --> 00:19:38,784 Speaker 2: of it and get a nose job, you can, ha 448 00:19:38,824 --> 00:19:40,904 Speaker 2: ha ha as if like but like, if you were 449 00:19:40,904 --> 00:19:42,984 Speaker 2: being friendly, that's a I mean, it's not the nicest 450 00:19:42,984 --> 00:19:44,384 Speaker 2: thing to say what I said. I think that was 451 00:19:44,424 --> 00:19:46,584 Speaker 2: like her taking a dig at herself. Yeah, because she 452 00:19:46,624 --> 00:19:49,024 Speaker 2: got a nice job, yeah, very famously and changed her 453 00:19:49,064 --> 00:19:50,904 Speaker 2: whole face. But I also think she was saying like, oh, 454 00:19:50,904 --> 00:19:53,104 Speaker 2: you could shut down production and like get insurance. Like 455 00:19:53,144 --> 00:19:54,824 Speaker 2: he's obviously not going to shut down production to go 456 00:19:54,824 --> 00:19:56,504 Speaker 2: get a nose job. I thought it was worse how 457 00:19:56,504 --> 00:19:58,464 Speaker 2: he brought Jenny Slade into it, who's their co star 458 00:19:58,504 --> 00:19:59,824 Speaker 2: in the movie. He's like, Oh, that's why I hied 459 00:19:59,904 --> 00:20:01,544 Speaker 2: Jenny Slake because we had the same nose. I'm like, 460 00:20:01,624 --> 00:20:04,424 Speaker 2: I feel like that's fit. Oh my god, I feel 461 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:06,664 Speaker 2: like that's what we should all be talking about. But yeah, 462 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:08,664 Speaker 2: when you watch that and then they both start laughing 463 00:20:09,224 --> 00:20:11,304 Speaker 2: and you're like, if they were friends, that nose comment 464 00:20:11,344 --> 00:20:13,264 Speaker 2: would have been fine. But when you see that written 465 00:20:13,264 --> 00:20:15,824 Speaker 2: out in the court documents, it could look like Blake 466 00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:17,544 Speaker 2: Lively was harassing him. And that's the thing. There's so 467 00:20:17,624 --> 00:20:18,904 Speaker 2: much context around everything. 468 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:22,344 Speaker 1: What confused me about this video was where it actually 469 00:20:22,384 --> 00:20:26,064 Speaker 1: takes place on the timeline from their dispute. Because I 470 00:20:26,064 --> 00:20:29,024 Speaker 1: remember the text messages that had been leaked, like especially 471 00:20:29,064 --> 00:20:32,624 Speaker 1: the ones from Blake Lively to Justin Baldoni, it still 472 00:20:32,664 --> 00:20:35,984 Speaker 1: seems like they're in a good space, like they're friends. 473 00:20:36,344 --> 00:20:38,704 Speaker 1: So was this video filmed like while they were still 474 00:20:38,744 --> 00:20:41,424 Speaker 1: like quite friendly with each other. Now they're going back 475 00:20:41,464 --> 00:20:43,944 Speaker 1: going Actually, we're both gonna be using this video as 476 00:20:43,984 --> 00:20:45,104 Speaker 1: like why we hate each other. 477 00:20:45,264 --> 00:20:47,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the interesting thing is that there's so many 478 00:20:47,344 --> 00:20:50,424 Speaker 2: intense allegations about harassment and them saying awful things to 479 00:20:50,464 --> 00:20:55,344 Speaker 2: each other, but there's none of that footage or documentation 480 00:20:55,984 --> 00:20:59,624 Speaker 2: anywhere in any of the stuff that Justin Baldoni has released. 481 00:20:59,904 --> 00:21:02,064 Speaker 2: And why I think that's possible is because a lot 482 00:21:02,104 --> 00:21:05,344 Speaker 2: of the stuff they're saying happened, happened offset or happened 483 00:21:05,344 --> 00:21:08,464 Speaker 2: when they're in trailers together, so there's no documentation. And 484 00:21:08,504 --> 00:21:10,744 Speaker 2: that's why I think it's interesting that Justin ba Doni 485 00:21:10,784 --> 00:21:14,384 Speaker 2: in particular is just releasing this avalanche of information because 486 00:21:14,384 --> 00:21:16,944 Speaker 2: every time something comes out from my point of view, 487 00:21:16,984 --> 00:21:20,384 Speaker 2: it's not helping him that much, except for some people 488 00:21:20,424 --> 00:21:22,864 Speaker 2: are being like, oh, Blake Lively silly like the Calisi 489 00:21:22,984 --> 00:21:25,424 Speaker 2: Game of Thrones comment, or oh it's weird how she 490 00:21:25,464 --> 00:21:28,464 Speaker 2: talks about Taylor Swift. But there's nothing that he's released 491 00:21:28,464 --> 00:21:32,064 Speaker 2: from my viewpoint that proves any of his allegations against 492 00:21:32,104 --> 00:21:33,864 Speaker 2: her yet he just keeps releasing it. 493 00:21:33,744 --> 00:21:35,504 Speaker 1: Like, so, why is is he releasing it so it 494 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:37,144 Speaker 1: can't be used in the trial. 495 00:21:37,264 --> 00:21:39,784 Speaker 2: I think he's releasing it because I think he's in 496 00:21:39,824 --> 00:21:43,224 Speaker 2: a slightly more dangerous position than Blake C. Lively, because 497 00:21:43,584 --> 00:21:45,904 Speaker 2: she does have a lot more wealth than him, She's 498 00:21:45,904 --> 00:21:48,064 Speaker 2: in a Hollywood power couple. Not that any of that 499 00:21:48,064 --> 00:21:50,464 Speaker 2: stuff would like help you if you're being sexually harassed. 500 00:21:50,464 --> 00:21:52,504 Speaker 2: On said, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that 501 00:21:53,024 --> 00:21:55,344 Speaker 2: he was dropped by his agents, He lost his podcast, 502 00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:57,784 Speaker 2: he got a lot of his projects stalled. There's so 503 00:21:57,944 --> 00:22:00,384 Speaker 2: much on the line for him that if he doesn't 504 00:22:00,384 --> 00:22:02,464 Speaker 2: come out of this with some money in his reputation 505 00:22:02,624 --> 00:22:05,984 Speaker 2: somewhat intact, how is he going to work in Hollywood again, 506 00:22:06,064 --> 00:22:08,304 Speaker 2: make a living, do anything. So I think the stakes 507 00:22:08,304 --> 00:22:11,224 Speaker 2: are so high for him. Whereas Blake Lively, like the 508 00:22:11,264 --> 00:22:14,144 Speaker 2: backlash against her was awful for her reputation, but she 509 00:22:14,224 --> 00:22:16,304 Speaker 2: really wasn't going to lose money, Like she has another 510 00:22:16,424 --> 00:22:19,824 Speaker 2: you know movie coming out. Her agency didn't block her. 511 00:22:19,904 --> 00:22:22,984 Speaker 2: She and her husband didn't lose any of their businesses. Obviously, 512 00:22:22,984 --> 00:22:24,904 Speaker 2: maybe people might not buy her hair care, so like 513 00:22:24,984 --> 00:22:27,424 Speaker 2: that's you know, there but she wasn't suing to try 514 00:22:27,424 --> 00:22:30,224 Speaker 2: and get money. She's suing for sexual harassment and also 515 00:22:30,264 --> 00:22:32,624 Speaker 2: to say that you lied about me in the press 516 00:22:32,664 --> 00:22:35,544 Speaker 2: and had that smear campaign. Like it's more like she's 517 00:22:35,584 --> 00:22:38,384 Speaker 2: suing on a matter of principle and reputation, and also 518 00:22:38,624 --> 00:22:41,184 Speaker 2: if the sexual harassment claims are true, not to let 519 00:22:41,224 --> 00:22:44,624 Speaker 2: a sexual harassment back out into the industry. Whereas with 520 00:22:44,824 --> 00:22:47,784 Speaker 2: him coming on the defensive and suing her, it's kind 521 00:22:47,784 --> 00:22:49,824 Speaker 2: of all or nothing for him. So I wonder I 522 00:22:49,904 --> 00:22:52,424 Speaker 2: think maybe he and his team and Brian Friedman are 523 00:22:52,464 --> 00:22:55,424 Speaker 2: pushing all this information out there to just try and 524 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:57,224 Speaker 2: prove that even if they don't get the money, his 525 00:22:57,304 --> 00:23:00,024 Speaker 2: reputation is back intact. But look at what he's releasing, 526 00:23:00,104 --> 00:23:02,104 Speaker 2: the photos of him and his family in the basement 527 00:23:02,344 --> 00:23:05,104 Speaker 2: at the film premiere. I don't think that's the goal 528 00:23:05,224 --> 00:23:08,664 Speaker 2: score like SmackDown that he thought it was, Because what 529 00:23:08,824 --> 00:23:11,024 Speaker 2: could you have done that the whole ast and crew 530 00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:13,064 Speaker 2: were okay with you being in the basement, do you 531 00:23:13,104 --> 00:23:13,544 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 532 00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:17,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think that, Like a lot of 533 00:23:17,304 --> 00:23:20,904 Speaker 1: people don't see that. If you look on TikTok on Instagram, 534 00:23:21,264 --> 00:23:25,344 Speaker 1: it's heavily towards Justin. Oh yeah, Like everyone loves Justin, 535 00:23:25,504 --> 00:23:28,464 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that we are like completely against Justin. 536 00:23:28,504 --> 00:23:31,424 Speaker 1: We don't know until like the court case actually happened, 537 00:23:31,824 --> 00:23:34,704 Speaker 1: but it's like the exact same thing that happened with 538 00:23:35,024 --> 00:23:38,024 Speaker 1: Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. Like it's so heavily sided 539 00:23:38,064 --> 00:23:41,904 Speaker 1: that it feels like Justin Baldoni and his lawyer Friedman 540 00:23:41,944 --> 00:23:44,744 Speaker 1: are just playing the social media game because that's the 541 00:23:44,784 --> 00:23:46,704 Speaker 1: game they will be playing from the beginning. 542 00:23:46,544 --> 00:23:48,504 Speaker 2: Because they know that the social media game is skewed 543 00:23:48,504 --> 00:23:51,104 Speaker 2: towards them, because it's a man versus woman. It's interesting 544 00:23:51,144 --> 00:23:54,784 Speaker 2: because I feel like just before Christmas, when the complaint 545 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:57,624 Speaker 2: was made against Justin and then that big New York 546 00:23:57,624 --> 00:24:00,944 Speaker 2: Times expose came out about the smear campaign against Blake, 547 00:24:01,184 --> 00:24:03,544 Speaker 2: I felt, for like a moment there the whole world 548 00:24:03,624 --> 00:24:06,144 Speaker 2: was on Blake's side. Everyone's like, we were wrong, We're 549 00:24:06,184 --> 00:24:08,584 Speaker 2: on her side. All this terrible stuff has happened to her. 550 00:24:09,024 --> 00:24:11,264 Speaker 2: And I don't think that's completely the right thing to be, 551 00:24:11,304 --> 00:24:13,464 Speaker 2: like this person's wrong and this person's right in a situation. 552 00:24:13,544 --> 00:24:15,064 Speaker 2: But it did feel like that for a moment, But 553 00:24:15,064 --> 00:24:17,904 Speaker 2: then it so quickly flipped back to hating on Blake 554 00:24:17,944 --> 00:24:20,584 Speaker 2: and being on Justin's side. It's like, even for this 555 00:24:20,664 --> 00:24:23,544 Speaker 2: moment in time, we couldn't hold on to that fact 556 00:24:23,624 --> 00:24:26,304 Speaker 2: that this had happened behind the scenes and the hating 557 00:24:26,344 --> 00:24:28,744 Speaker 2: on her. It's just too much fun for online coming. 558 00:24:28,984 --> 00:24:30,464 Speaker 1: I think it might flip again, though, Like I think 559 00:24:30,464 --> 00:24:34,264 Speaker 1: it's going to consistently flip until we actually see what happens. 560 00:24:34,424 --> 00:24:36,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And there's so much more of this. Togos 561 00:24:36,464 --> 00:24:38,384 Speaker 2: is for people who are saying they're fatigue, Like Jesus hell, 562 00:24:38,424 --> 00:24:40,344 Speaker 2: buckle up, because we're only at the start. 563 00:24:40,424 --> 00:24:41,984 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like that's slowing down at all. 564 00:24:42,144 --> 00:24:43,704 Speaker 2: No, No, I think, well, I mean, wait till this 565 00:24:43,744 --> 00:24:46,144 Speaker 2: website goes live and all this information is put into 566 00:24:46,144 --> 00:24:48,184 Speaker 2: one place. He says he's going to release more information. 567 00:24:48,584 --> 00:24:51,264 Speaker 2: We don't know if Blake's complaint against Brian Friedman's going 568 00:24:51,304 --> 00:24:53,384 Speaker 2: to stand, when this is going to go to trial, 569 00:24:53,464 --> 00:24:55,664 Speaker 2: how much of that will be made public, who will 570 00:24:55,664 --> 00:24:58,224 Speaker 2: be brought in to testify. It's just going to get 571 00:24:58,264 --> 00:24:58,744 Speaker 2: very messy. 572 00:24:59,104 --> 00:25:01,744 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to today's episode of 573 00:25:01,784 --> 00:25:04,544 Speaker 1: the Spill. If you missed out on yesterday's episode. It 574 00:25:04,664 --> 00:25:06,904 Speaker 1: is a good one. We talked about the new Bob 575 00:25:06,984 --> 00:25:10,264 Speaker 1: Dylan biopic, A Complete Unknown, and we had very different 576 00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:12,664 Speaker 1: opinions on that one. We will link it in the 577 00:25:12,664 --> 00:25:14,704 Speaker 1: show notes, or you can just scroll on up. The 578 00:25:14,744 --> 00:25:17,184 Speaker 1: Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production by 579 00:25:17,184 --> 00:25:19,304 Speaker 1: Scott Stronik and we'll be back here on your podcast 580 00:25:19,304 --> 00:25:27,104 Speaker 1: feed at three pm tomorrow. Bye bye,