WEBVTT - 'Smellmaxxing' & The New Place We Apparently Stink 0:00:08.234 --> 0:00:10.914 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:15.994 --> 0:00:18.674 Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. It's what 0:00:18.674 --> 0:00:21.354 women are talking about on Wednesday, the fifth of November. 0:00:21.434 --> 0:00:24.233 I am hollywayn Might, I'm Amelia Lester, and. 0:00:24.194 --> 0:00:25.354 I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:25.514 --> 0:00:28.394 And what's made our agenda for today? Well, there's an 0:00:28.434 --> 0:00:32.074 American man that I had never heard of, but who 0:00:32.153 --> 0:00:36.153 is in the last couple of days, absolutely everywhere I look, 0:00:36.434 --> 0:00:38.994 So who is he? And what does he want from us? 0:00:39.233 --> 0:00:40.553 Amelia knows? 0:00:41.513 --> 0:00:44.313 And what happened to all the rom coms? Is that 0:00:44.354 --> 0:00:46.153 why we're bad at dating now? Because there are no 0:00:46.273 --> 0:00:49.553 rom comms anymore. Bruce Witherspoon has a theory. 0:00:49.513 --> 0:00:52.553 And the deodorant ad that made me feel very weird? 0:00:52.833 --> 0:00:55.434 Why is everyone so obsessed with smell? Right? 0:00:56.314 --> 0:00:59.273 But first, in case you missed it, four suspects have 0:00:59.354 --> 0:01:03.673 been arrested in the Louver heist which transfixed the world recently. 0:01:03.754 --> 0:01:04.553 Did you see the photo? 0:01:04.634 --> 0:01:06.274 Did I see marg Shotz? I was gonna ask I 0:01:06.274 --> 0:01:07.074 saw them circular. 0:01:07.154 --> 0:01:08.034 They were very handsome. 0:01:08.154 --> 0:01:11.754 They are not the felons in question. They are previous 0:01:11.794 --> 0:01:14.714 hot felons. Sorry to burst the bubble. It was nice 0:01:14.714 --> 0:01:17.394 to imagine, no word on the jewels and where they are. 0:01:17.514 --> 0:01:20.994 But police are definitely playing bad cop with these suspects. 0:01:21.154 --> 0:01:24.434 They are making clear that they were not exactly criminal masterminds, 0:01:24.834 --> 0:01:28.074 and they are dismissing them as petty thieves, which I 0:01:28.154 --> 0:01:30.794 know is a phrase that sounds so much more amazing 0:01:30.914 --> 0:01:35.594 when said in French. Unfortunately, for the Louver, the people 0:01:35.634 --> 0:01:38.234 in charge of the security systems, they were also not 0:01:38.634 --> 0:01:42.274 exactly operating at an elite level. A report in the 0:01:42.274 --> 0:01:46.274 French newspaper Liberacion do you like that accent? Thank you, 0:01:46.754 --> 0:01:50.914 reports that the password on the Louver's video surveillance system, 0:01:51.074 --> 0:01:55.034 the video surveillance system which went down briefly during the heist, 0:01:55.674 --> 0:02:00.114 that password was Louver. And all I can say is, 0:02:00.154 --> 0:02:01.914 at least it wasn't password you know. 0:02:03.074 --> 0:02:06.274 Me My first guess I think that you just know 0:02:06.314 --> 0:02:09.554 that whoever was made the password got to the you know, 0:02:09.714 --> 0:02:12.234 come on, what's password? They looked up, they saw the 0:02:12.274 --> 0:02:14.633 Louver and they went, that'll do it. Now. They did 0:02:14.714 --> 0:02:17.114 use the capital, which I think was probably part of 0:02:17.114 --> 0:02:20.834 the rules, but I would bet any money that it 0:02:20.834 --> 0:02:26.714 has now been changed to love one exam just as 0:02:26.754 --> 0:02:29.874 a little special character need to make it a bit harder. 0:02:30.154 --> 0:02:32.994 They need to employ some teenage boys. My son's really 0:02:32.994 --> 0:02:35.874 good at changing passwords to things I can't guess, like, 0:02:36.034 --> 0:02:37.874 really good at it. He would never make such a 0:02:37.954 --> 0:02:38.674 rookie mistake. 0:02:38.834 --> 0:02:41.154 Politely, though, Billy, I don't want access to any of 0:02:41.154 --> 0:02:44.994 your You have no money, you have nothing interesting though. 0:02:45.034 --> 0:02:45.994 He just wants to hide. 0:02:46.474 --> 0:02:49.194 Do you feel like the computers are getting more bossy 0:02:49.234 --> 0:02:51.794 with us about passwords? Like lately, I've been having this 0:02:51.914 --> 0:02:55.554 situation where it will just very rudely reject the password 0:02:55.634 --> 0:02:57.914 that I have been using for everything for the last 0:02:57.954 --> 0:02:59.954 six years of my life, and it says, oh, it 0:02:59.994 --> 0:03:02.154 has to have special characters, it has to have more 0:03:02.394 --> 0:03:04.234 letters in it. I mean, they're so bossy. 0:03:04.314 --> 0:03:06.954 Does anyone use a special character that isn't an exclamation? 0:03:07.154 --> 0:03:07.793 Oh? 0:03:07.994 --> 0:03:08.874 Such a good question. 0:03:08.914 --> 0:03:11.554 I tell you that you might happen to like the 0:03:11.554 --> 0:03:13.194 place I'm keeping all my Crown jewels. 0:03:13.394 --> 0:03:15.994 Recently, I was tapped on the shoulder and told Jesse 0:03:16.114 --> 0:03:17.634 there's been a data breach and you are the only 0:03:17.674 --> 0:03:20.914 one in the whole company, And they said, you've got 0:03:20.954 --> 0:03:22.714 to change your password, and probably if you know, if 0:03:22.794 --> 0:03:25.234 you've used that password for another account, I would change it. 0:03:26.074 --> 0:03:29.234 Four hours later, I was like, going through every account, 0:03:29.874 --> 0:03:33.513 how do I change it slightly so that I am 0:03:33.594 --> 0:03:35.234 not in a situation like this? 0:03:35.994 --> 0:03:40.354 Love, There's a man who is suddenly all over my 0:03:40.514 --> 0:03:43.514 Instagram and not only mine. To give you a little 0:03:43.554 --> 0:03:46.074 behind the scenes glimpse into the way out loud works, 0:03:46.674 --> 0:03:49.394 our friend Emily Vernham jumped into our slack channel, which 0:03:49.394 --> 0:03:52.194 is where we like put all our links for things 0:03:52.194 --> 0:03:54.474 we want to discuss, and then we whittled them down, 0:03:55.074 --> 0:03:59.194 and she had written basic bitch news pitch. This sexy 0:03:59.234 --> 0:04:02.434 politician is all over my social feeds. What does he 0:04:02.514 --> 0:04:07.634 want from me? She was talking about Zoran Ma Danni, 0:04:08.114 --> 0:04:10.914 the man who is suddenly all over my feeds too, 0:04:11.434 --> 0:04:14.194 along with his unofficial theme song which I'm about to 0:04:14.234 --> 0:04:14.554 play you. 0:04:16.194 --> 0:04:20.474 The name is mom Dannie M. 0:04:20.514 --> 0:04:21.634 The name is. 0:04:21.594 --> 0:04:23.714 Mom Dannie M. 0:04:24.914 --> 0:04:30.394 You should learn how to say it M. 0:04:30.594 --> 0:04:32.313 He should learn how to say it. 0:04:32.354 --> 0:04:34.873 Is that his voice so he's actually singing that. 0:04:35.113 --> 0:04:36.993 What he did is he said it at a debate 0:04:37.474 --> 0:04:40.833 where his opponent kept like mispronouncing his name and mispronouncing 0:04:40.834 --> 0:04:43.154 his name. So he said it, and he said, and 0:04:43.193 --> 0:04:45.473 you should learn how to say it. Because he was 0:04:45.513 --> 0:04:47.153 about to say, because I'm going to be your mayor, 0:04:47.234 --> 0:04:49.474 and he pulled himself back from the edge, and then 0:04:49.513 --> 0:04:54.354 they've taken it and put it on honestly the ICONICYI Anyway, 0:04:54.354 --> 0:04:57.754 the reason I know all this when I literally had 0:04:57.794 --> 0:05:00.233 never seen this man before the last forty eight hours, 0:05:00.274 --> 0:05:03.753 it's because of the invasion of my internet. Emilia Lester, 0:05:04.234 --> 0:05:06.953 you know who he is. Tell us about Zorah mum 0:05:07.193 --> 0:05:09.433 Dani and why we all need to know. 0:05:09.993 --> 0:05:12.714 So by the time you're listening to this out lauders, 0:05:12.753 --> 0:05:16.833 and unless something very unexpected has happened, Zauren mum Danny 0:05:16.993 --> 0:05:19.273 will be the new mayor of New York City, and 0:05:19.313 --> 0:05:21.674 there's a lot of notable things about him. He is 0:05:21.794 --> 0:05:24.753 going to be the youngest mayor in over a century. 0:05:24.794 --> 0:05:28.713 He's thirty four. He will be New York's first Muslim mayor. 0:05:29.513 --> 0:05:33.073 And he's also excited young people, not just in New 0:05:33.154 --> 0:05:36.113 York but also across the United States and also the 0:05:36.154 --> 0:05:39.074 world in a way that we haven't seen since maybe 0:05:39.113 --> 0:05:41.433 Barack Obama. That's how big it is. 0:05:41.633 --> 0:05:44.234 Some of the commentary that I saw probably a few 0:05:44.234 --> 0:05:46.513 months ago actually when he appeared on the scene. 0:05:46.513 --> 0:05:48.753 Are you cooling, Yeah? I am. 0:05:48.914 --> 0:05:51.313 I don't know where you've been. But I was saying 0:05:51.393 --> 0:05:53.953 his I'm going to say a beautiful face, and that 0:05:54.073 --> 0:05:57.873 caught my attention, and some commentary said, this is the 0:05:58.594 --> 0:06:01.473 sort of Democrats answer to Trump. This is how you 0:06:01.513 --> 0:06:04.034 beat Trump. This man, what do they mean by that? 0:06:04.433 --> 0:06:06.674 I think that we just haven't seen this level of 0:06:06.753 --> 0:06:09.594 enthusias him in a really long time. I'm going to 0:06:09.834 --> 0:06:12.433 put a dampener on this and say that New York 0:06:12.433 --> 0:06:16.354 City is not America. It is very liberal. It's got 0:06:16.433 --> 0:06:19.394 a very different voting population to the rest of America. 0:06:19.594 --> 0:06:23.674 And Zoran is a Democratic socialist. He's very left wing, 0:06:24.113 --> 0:06:26.674 so it's kind of unlikely he's going to take the 0:06:26.714 --> 0:06:30.553 whole country by storm. But what I've taken away from 0:06:30.553 --> 0:06:35.074 this is that charisma is still really important, arguably more 0:06:35.113 --> 0:06:37.873 important than it's ever been for politicians. This man is 0:06:37.914 --> 0:06:40.633 good looking, he has kind eyes, He is great on 0:06:40.674 --> 0:06:43.914 social media. Here, just as an example, listen to this 0:06:44.154 --> 0:06:47.953 ad that he made to play during The Golden Bachelor, 0:06:48.034 --> 0:06:50.354 and keep in mind that as he's speaking here, he 0:06:50.433 --> 0:06:53.113 is walking towards the camera holding a rose. 0:06:56.193 --> 0:06:59.273 You deserve better, You deserve to be able to raise 0:06:59.313 --> 0:07:03.153 your family. Here, to be safe to travel where you 0:07:03.193 --> 0:07:06.794 need to free of costs and worry. You deserve someone 0:07:06.794 --> 0:07:09.713 who as hard as you do, who thinks about you 0:07:10.554 --> 0:07:13.314 every second of the day. That's the kind of mayor 0:07:13.354 --> 0:07:15.234 I promised to be New York. 0:07:16.393 --> 0:07:20.474 Will you accept this Russ paid for by Zoron for NYC. 0:07:21.154 --> 0:07:22.994 He that completely gets me. 0:07:23.194 --> 0:07:26.994 Exceptionally good at social media because in the last twenty 0:07:26.994 --> 0:07:28.634 four hours, when I've done this deep dive, I've seen 0:07:28.674 --> 0:07:31.473 him do that. I've also seen him do a million 0:07:31.594 --> 0:07:34.554 kind of questionnaires with influences on the streets of New York. 0:07:34.554 --> 0:07:36.114 I've seen him at night, I've seen him in the morning. 0:07:36.114 --> 0:07:39.153 I've seen him like he totally gets the twenty four 0:07:39.154 --> 0:07:42.713 to seven, always on, jump on a trend's social media stuff, right? 0:07:42.834 --> 0:07:45.314 Is that a large part of why people are saying 0:07:45.834 --> 0:07:47.953 this is what you need to be now? Yeah? 0:07:47.994 --> 0:07:50.194 I think so. But there are lots of politicians you 0:07:50.314 --> 0:07:52.754 post a lot on social media and people are not 0:07:52.914 --> 0:07:55.834 sending like the emoji with the love hearts about them, 0:07:55.874 --> 0:07:58.914 Like JD Vanntce, the Vice President. He's big on social media. 0:07:58.994 --> 0:08:01.754 I don't think anyone's like wanting to hear him play 0:08:01.794 --> 0:08:05.153 The Golden Bachelor anytime soon. I've got a question for 0:08:05.234 --> 0:08:09.393 the group, because obviously his agenda has really excited a 0:08:09.393 --> 0:08:11.834 lot of young progressives. We're not going to talk about 0:08:11.834 --> 0:08:14.514 his policy positions here. The question I want to ask 0:08:14.674 --> 0:08:17.554 is is charisma just being good looking? 0:08:18.074 --> 0:08:22.754 No, there's something else. There's this confidence that he has. 0:08:22.874 --> 0:08:27.194 He's obviously incredibly articulate, but I think that the charisma 0:08:27.234 --> 0:08:31.234 in this context also comes from being what feels like 0:08:31.354 --> 0:08:35.114 anti establishment, whether it is or it isn't. He feels 0:08:35.194 --> 0:08:38.874 like a rebel, which is what probably, you know, the 0:08:38.874 --> 0:08:42.154 climate in the US wants right now. It's funny though, 0:08:42.194 --> 0:08:45.114 because it's like, do you need that to be a leader, 0:08:45.234 --> 0:08:48.434 Because when we look at politicians in Australia charisma. We 0:08:48.674 --> 0:08:51.874 actually had a conversation about this recently and Jackie Lamby 0:08:51.914 --> 0:08:54.354 came up where people go, she's got charisma. 0:08:54.114 --> 0:08:56.154 And I got in a lot of trouble for saying, 0:08:56.234 --> 0:08:58.954 and I stand by it that Barnaby Joyce has charisma. 0:08:58.994 --> 0:09:01.634 Well he's a character, isn't he. Yah, And there are 0:09:01.634 --> 0:09:04.914 a lot of successful politicians in Australia who I wouldn't 0:09:04.954 --> 0:09:08.914 say have charisma. So I wonder if we are because 0:09:08.954 --> 0:09:13.234 of the social media age, do politicians need to be 0:09:13.394 --> 0:09:17.353 creators now, like first and foremost almost influences. 0:09:17.394 --> 0:09:20.274 They either do or they need some people on their 0:09:20.274 --> 0:09:22.834 team who they work very closely with and trust very 0:09:22.914 --> 0:09:25.674 much who do know how to do that. But back 0:09:25.714 --> 0:09:27.994 to the charisma point, because we had this discussion is 0:09:28.074 --> 0:09:31.274 charisma just good looking a while ago when we were 0:09:31.354 --> 0:09:35.034 unpacking that and saying no, because Donald Trump has charisma. 0:09:35.074 --> 0:09:36.514 And the thing is is if you hate the people 0:09:36.514 --> 0:09:39.034 whose names I'm saying, then you're saying to your phone 0:09:39.074 --> 0:09:41.074 right now, no he doesn't, No, he doesn't. But if 0:09:41.154 --> 0:09:44.354 you ask yourself the question of why in an attention 0:09:44.474 --> 0:09:47.674 economy we are always looking at these people and listening 0:09:47.754 --> 0:09:50.754 to these people and talking about these people, it is 0:09:50.794 --> 0:09:52.954 in part because they have a lot of charisma. And 0:09:53.034 --> 0:09:55.474 I was thinking about it and thinking that I think 0:09:55.554 --> 0:09:57.874 maybe what charisma is, and it's a very hard thing 0:09:57.914 --> 0:10:01.234 to harness, is that you want to watch them and 0:10:01.314 --> 0:10:04.914 listen to them whatever they're saying, even if you don't agree. 0:10:05.034 --> 0:10:07.594 You know what I mean. Age you hear people say 0:10:07.634 --> 0:10:10.114 I'd watch that person read the phone book or whatever 0:10:10.154 --> 0:10:12.034 they say, those kind of things like there are some 0:10:12.194 --> 0:10:15.514 people who have a watchability and a listenability that it 0:10:15.554 --> 0:10:19.314 didn't used to matter so much when we didn't filter 0:10:19.514 --> 0:10:23.034 everything through our phones and basically through video, but now 0:10:23.074 --> 0:10:26.394 we do. You have got to get attention, and if 0:10:26.434 --> 0:10:28.914 you are really astley, it's not fair to say dull, 0:10:28.954 --> 0:10:31.474 because I don't think the opposite of charismatic is dull. 0:10:31.594 --> 0:10:34.514 I think there are lots of very smart, articulate people 0:10:34.834 --> 0:10:38.274 who aren't charismatic. But it's like it has to be 0:10:38.354 --> 0:10:41.594 the thing now to get attention, don't you think, Well. 0:10:41.514 --> 0:10:45.554 But does it? Because does Anthony Albanesi have charisma? He's 0:10:45.674 --> 0:10:47.274 very successful as a politician. 0:10:47.714 --> 0:10:51.874 Very good question, because Jesse, do you think Albanesi has charisma? 0:10:52.354 --> 0:10:55.794 You know, I saw a glimpse of it recently when 0:10:55.834 --> 0:10:57.634 he was at a round table with Trump and there 0:10:57.674 --> 0:11:00.314 was the comment about who made the mean tweet about 0:11:00.354 --> 0:11:01.954 him and he kind of had this funny look at 0:11:02.034 --> 0:11:04.794 Kevin Rudd and I saw him deal with that in 0:11:04.874 --> 0:11:08.954 quite a natural or thing then tick away and I 0:11:08.994 --> 0:11:11.674 have found some of his appearances there to be charismatic. 0:11:12.194 --> 0:11:14.714 Maybe maybe his personality is part of it. 0:11:14.874 --> 0:11:17.914 I think that that moment with Trump was so telling 0:11:18.034 --> 0:11:21.274 because that could have been one of the worst moments 0:11:21.314 --> 0:11:25.034 of Anthony Albanese's life So high Stakes. A Sky News 0:11:25.074 --> 0:11:28.354 reporter from Australia wants to stir up some shit and 0:11:28.394 --> 0:11:30.474 he says to Donald Trump, do you know that the 0:11:30.554 --> 0:11:33.594 guy that Anthony albanezeis sent to Washington to be your 0:11:33.634 --> 0:11:38.474 ambassador said terrible things about you? And instead of freaking out, 0:11:38.634 --> 0:11:42.034 instead of starting to sort of give excuses and sort 0:11:42.074 --> 0:11:46.034 of hesitate and make explanations up, he just sat there 0:11:46.074 --> 0:11:48.354 and he grinned, and he seemed to be having a 0:11:48.394 --> 0:11:51.634 good time. He seemed comfortable in his own skin, and 0:11:51.674 --> 0:11:54.834 he seemed to be enjoying himself. And I'm starting to 0:11:54.954 --> 0:11:57.194 wonder if, in this day and age, when the news 0:11:57.274 --> 0:12:01.314 is so bleak and dark and serious, whether we kind 0:12:01.314 --> 0:12:05.314 of want politicians who seem to be not hating every moment. 0:12:05.474 --> 0:12:07.754 That's so interesting you say that, Amili, because when I 0:12:07.834 --> 0:12:11.154 was doing my mum Dani deep dive today, there are 0:12:11.194 --> 0:12:13.354 a million pieces on the internet, as I discovered in 0:12:13.394 --> 0:12:16.314 the last twelve hours, and I'm like, you are quite 0:12:16.394 --> 0:12:19.834 like today Holly, about the lessons he can teach us 0:12:19.834 --> 0:12:25.754 all about leadership all across this man, Yes, very much, 0:12:26.114 --> 0:12:28.794 but this is very interesting. One of the pieces said 0:12:29.314 --> 0:12:33.434 he has a happy warrior spirit, serious about the fight, 0:12:34.074 --> 0:12:37.834 light on bitterness, confident that persuasion is still possible. And 0:12:37.874 --> 0:12:40.674 that is what you were just describing. Then, is this 0:12:41.114 --> 0:12:43.554 he leans into beef, which I think is something that 0:12:43.674 --> 0:12:46.154 an older generation. I'm going to generalize enormously, but gen 0:12:46.314 --> 0:12:48.434 xes don't like that. I don't like that. Right, But 0:12:48.594 --> 0:12:51.234 he leans into beef, but not in a mean way, 0:12:51.674 --> 0:12:53.434 in a kind of I'll go to Fox News, I'll 0:12:53.434 --> 0:12:56.274 talk to my opponents. But he's got a lightness about 0:12:56.314 --> 0:12:58.274 him as he's dealing with very heavy things. Do we 0:12:58.474 --> 0:12:58.794 like that? 0:12:59.074 --> 0:13:02.354 Yes? And let's listen to a clip of when he 0:13:02.594 --> 0:13:06.514 got asked about something Donald Trump had said about him 0:13:06.634 --> 0:13:08.194 just recently in the last couple of days. 0:13:09.114 --> 0:13:11.874 Assemblymen, any response to President Trump saying he's better looking 0:13:11.874 --> 0:13:12.474 than you? 0:13:13.834 --> 0:13:14.434 I think we have not. 0:13:14.474 --> 0:13:16.234 My focus is on the cost of living crass. 0:13:16.634 --> 0:13:19.834 He just grins, he laughs, and he keeps walking. 0:13:19.794 --> 0:13:22.434 And he stays on message. This brings us to the 0:13:22.474 --> 0:13:26.514 thorny issue of whether or not women are allowed to 0:13:26.594 --> 0:13:30.354 have this kind of charisma and leadership right because Kamala 0:13:30.394 --> 0:13:32.714 Harris has been everywhere in the last couple of weeks 0:13:32.714 --> 0:13:35.953 promoting her memoir you know, I played that jaunty tune 0:13:36.034 --> 0:13:38.434 at the beginning. Remember how hard we all tried to 0:13:38.434 --> 0:13:41.554 make that happen with Kamala, the dancing videos, bratt and 0:13:41.634 --> 0:13:45.074 all that stuff, and it just didn't quite work. On 0:13:45.114 --> 0:13:48.554 the list of most charismatic leaders in the world, there 0:13:48.554 --> 0:13:51.554 are only two women that I have seen, and to 0:13:51.634 --> 0:13:52.994 be fair, we have to make it clear that there 0:13:53.034 --> 0:13:55.554 are far fewer women in leadership roles. We haven't got 0:13:55.594 --> 0:13:58.394 as many versions of leadership to dissect when it comes 0:13:58.394 --> 0:14:00.554 to women. But one of them is just Cindra Adun Yeah, 0:14:00.594 --> 0:14:03.953 no question. Angela Merkle was also on that list, right, 0:14:03.994 --> 0:14:07.114 two very different kinds of women with very different leadership stuff. 0:14:08.074 --> 0:14:10.874 Have we figured out what kind of charisma we like 0:14:10.914 --> 0:14:14.114 in women and why Kamala was deemed to not have it, 0:14:14.194 --> 0:14:17.674 even though on paper she was very cool, young, you know, 0:14:17.874 --> 0:14:18.794 like engaged. 0:14:19.274 --> 0:14:22.314 Some of the analysis I read was that something about 0:14:22.394 --> 0:14:26.674 this campaign has been incredibly organic, and I think especially 0:14:26.754 --> 0:14:33.114 gen Z and millennial audiences can see straight through strategy, 0:14:33.434 --> 0:14:36.554 so they can really see Harris. When you look back 0:14:36.554 --> 0:14:39.594 at her campaign, there were parts of it that felt 0:14:39.914 --> 0:14:43.034 so forced because they knew they had to harness the 0:14:43.594 --> 0:14:46.434 you know, young people vote, and they went ran really 0:14:46.434 --> 0:14:49.874 hard at TikTok and they wanted, you know, lots of 0:14:49.874 --> 0:14:53.354 people to come out and endorse her, and some of 0:14:53.514 --> 0:14:57.754 that felt a bit contrived, I think, whereas this just 0:14:58.034 --> 0:15:00.754 has seemed and maybe it's because he's had a longer 0:15:00.834 --> 0:15:02.634 run up. I think that probably has a lot to 0:15:02.714 --> 0:15:06.394 answer for. But every YouTube channel, to something on Twitch, 0:15:06.514 --> 0:15:08.754 to something on blah, like he's not just doing call 0:15:08.794 --> 0:15:11.634 her daddy, He's not even doing that, he's there, does 0:15:11.634 --> 0:15:15.474 seem to be something more organic about his identity on 0:15:15.514 --> 0:15:16.234 sorche So, if you've. 0:15:16.154 --> 0:15:19.474 Got a charismatic candidate, was we discussed you go your 0:15:19.594 --> 0:15:23.154 charismatic people like to watch you. Let's put you everywhere 0:15:23.154 --> 0:15:24.954 we can where people can watch you do stuff. 0:15:25.274 --> 0:15:28.994 The thing that concerns me is that we're sort of 0:15:29.074 --> 0:15:32.714 coalescing around a twenty twenty five definition of charisma, which 0:15:32.754 --> 0:15:35.474 says that you have to be a happy warrior. You 0:15:35.554 --> 0:15:37.594 have to look like you're having fun, you have to 0:15:37.634 --> 0:15:40.514 be natural, you have to be quote unquote authentic and hot. 0:15:40.914 --> 0:15:43.754 Ideally not necessarily, but it helps. 0:15:43.834 --> 0:15:47.194 Yeah, And what concerns me is that women are not 0:15:47.354 --> 0:15:53.514 granted permission to be jocular happy warriors, casual whatever, like 0:15:53.634 --> 0:15:57.474 go with the flow. In fact, Camera and Hillary Clinton 0:15:57.874 --> 0:16:01.634 both were criticized for guess what, they're laugh They're not 0:16:01.754 --> 0:16:07.114 even allowed to laugh for a Zoran is always laughing. Yeah, 0:16:07.194 --> 0:16:10.034 And what does that mean for women in the public eye? 0:16:10.034 --> 0:16:13.394 And the way that he is also afforded grace when 0:16:13.394 --> 0:16:15.674 it comes to conflict, which women are. I mean, if 0:16:15.714 --> 0:16:17.514 you learnt into conflict as a woman, then you would 0:16:17.554 --> 0:16:20.434 be called a bitch. So the difficulty with charisma is 0:16:20.434 --> 0:16:22.314 that in defining it, it's all about a vibe, it's 0:16:22.314 --> 0:16:25.034 all about a feeling, but it is incredibly gendered. I mean, 0:16:25.074 --> 0:16:27.474 what's exciting is that this is a man from a 0:16:27.514 --> 0:16:28.754 diverse background, which. 0:16:28.674 --> 0:16:30.234 Is in terms of he's an immigrant. 0:16:30.314 --> 0:16:33.554 He's an immigrant and a Muslim man who looks different 0:16:33.634 --> 0:16:37.074 to any man that New York has ever seen. So 0:16:37.674 --> 0:16:40.794 the fact that he has been able to kind of, 0:16:40.874 --> 0:16:44.554 I don't know, create this cult of personality is really refreshing. 0:16:45.314 --> 0:16:48.194 But I don't think we can pretend like charisma hasn't 0:16:48.514 --> 0:16:49.874 historically always been reserved. 0:16:50.194 --> 0:16:54.074 He has charisma. Ac has bags of charisma. 0:16:53.514 --> 0:16:56.394 And she's got the happy warrior thing, which is true. 0:16:56.594 --> 0:16:59.194 Kamala was people said she was a lunatic because she 0:16:59.274 --> 0:17:00.034 laughed so much. 0:17:00.114 --> 0:17:00.834 It came up. 0:17:00.714 --> 0:17:03.834 Again and again, this idea that she almost seemed unhinged. 0:17:04.354 --> 0:17:08.354 Is there anyone in Australia who's happy warrior? Who's warrior? 0:17:08.554 --> 0:17:10.553 I think Jackie Lamby. You know, you don't have to 0:17:10.594 --> 0:17:13.914 agree with all her politics, but she definitely courts attention 0:17:14.074 --> 0:17:16.994 and I think that that is due to some charisma. 0:17:17.594 --> 0:17:20.194 But I wonder if you know, maybe the misstep of 0:17:20.234 --> 0:17:23.834 Harris was that there were a lot of influencers who 0:17:23.874 --> 0:17:26.754 went and endorsed her. And there's all this controversy about 0:17:26.754 --> 0:17:30.234 whether we won our celebrities, or our lifestyle influences or 0:17:30.314 --> 0:17:33.033 our pop culture podcast to tell us who to vote for. Like, 0:17:33.034 --> 0:17:35.194 that's a question that I still don't think has been answered. 0:17:35.234 --> 0:17:37.114 I think it's been answered and the answer. 0:17:37.274 --> 0:17:39.914 No, Okay, So if we don't, I think that this 0:17:39.994 --> 0:17:43.553 is the next logical step, which is that the politician 0:17:43.874 --> 0:17:45.514 must become the influence. 0:17:46.034 --> 0:17:50.914 Yes, that's so true in a moment. If we just 0:17:51.034 --> 0:17:54.273 watched more rom coms, then apparently we'd be better at dating, 0:17:54.634 --> 0:18:01.794 says the Queen of the rom com Reese Witherspoon. Knows 0:18:01.834 --> 0:18:04.794 why we're all so bad at dating now it's because 0:18:04.874 --> 0:18:08.674 of the decline of the romantic common Let's hear her theory. 0:18:08.754 --> 0:18:11.474 She's talking to my mate Dax Shepherd on Armchair Expert. 0:18:11.794 --> 0:18:14.834 Do you know how there's been like the past ten years, 0:18:15.154 --> 0:18:17.994 even I would even say past fifteen years, is decline 0:18:18.194 --> 0:18:21.194 in like the making of rom coms or like legitimate 0:18:21.314 --> 0:18:25.034 big movie stars being in rom coms in Blockbuster. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:25.314 --> 0:18:27.834 I think it's not just rom com movies. But I 0:18:27.874 --> 0:18:31.154 also think the rom com television show, the television show 0:18:31.194 --> 0:18:34.354 that you watched when you were eleven, twelve, and thirteen 0:18:34.394 --> 0:18:40.034 that made you practice, like imagine and visualized dating skills. Okay, 0:18:40.394 --> 0:18:43.553 I like that girl. I'm gonna ask her out. Oh 0:18:43.434 --> 0:18:44.074 what she says? 0:18:44.114 --> 0:18:44.194 No? 0:18:44.274 --> 0:18:46.594 Okay, Well, my favorite character in the television show did that. 0:18:46.834 --> 0:18:49.434 Everybody hates Chris and he Chris asked out the hot 0:18:49.434 --> 0:18:52.273 girl and she said no, But the other girl she 0:18:52.354 --> 0:18:54.674 really likes him, and he can't tell. Social media started 0:18:54.714 --> 0:18:57.794 and then we stopped. We started kind of going rom 0:18:57.834 --> 0:18:59.994 coms are cringey, But it was actually where we learned 0:18:59.994 --> 0:19:03.754 social dynamics from Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan. 0:19:03.914 --> 0:19:06.234 I'm talking on the phone, can talk on the phone. 0:19:06.234 --> 0:19:08.754 Now, No, I don't think any witty. 0:19:08.474 --> 0:19:14.833 Banter, Yeah, oh, witty banter before we decide if we 0:19:14.914 --> 0:19:18.794 agree with this or not. She's definitely giving Reese's giving 0:19:18.834 --> 0:19:21.554 peak gen X nostalgia with this. I am that fuck 0:19:21.594 --> 0:19:24.994 with who's always throwing in when Harry met Sally references 0:19:25.594 --> 0:19:28.434 references to my friends when they want dailing advice, and 0:19:28.514 --> 0:19:29.954 Reese ages us. 0:19:31.354 --> 0:19:32.434 To start to move on. 0:19:32.594 --> 0:19:36.434 Jesse, do you agree with this rom com dating theory? 0:19:37.394 --> 0:19:40.514 Look on the surface. I listened to this clip and went, 0:19:40.754 --> 0:19:43.394 do I agree with your premise? Because yes, while there 0:19:43.434 --> 0:19:46.354 has been a decline in Blockbuster, go to the movies, 0:19:46.394 --> 0:19:50.234 watch when Harry met Sally that experience the summer, I 0:19:50.274 --> 0:19:53.234 turned pretty nobody wants this biggest show to the year, right, 0:19:53.314 --> 0:19:55.154 And the movie I went to see at the movies 0:19:55.554 --> 0:19:58.234 this year I think was Bridget Jones. I think I 0:19:58.314 --> 0:19:58.874 was alone in that. 0:19:59.194 --> 0:20:01.914 But it's not really a rom com. 0:20:01.594 --> 0:20:06.154 I know, but and also, having had to suffer through 0:20:06.234 --> 0:20:08.994 some summer out an pretty no offense to everyone who 0:20:09.034 --> 0:20:09.394 loves it. 0:20:09.434 --> 0:20:13.154 There's no common there's a lot of rocks, but nobody 0:20:13.154 --> 0:20:13.474 wants it. 0:20:13.594 --> 0:20:15.474 I take your point, but that is almost a reaction 0:20:15.554 --> 0:20:17.234 to the decline of the rom comms, right, because the 0:20:17.274 --> 0:20:19.794 rom coms declined and now people are trying to bring 0:20:19.834 --> 0:20:20.154 them back. 0:20:20.274 --> 0:20:25.354 Yes, and apparently this is a studied phenomenon that in 0:20:26.034 --> 0:20:29.954 two thousand and three or whatever, the top ten movies 0:20:29.994 --> 0:20:32.114