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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia out Loud and to our Friday's show where

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Speaker 2: we take a break from the news cycle and we

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Speaker 2: all exhale. Today is Friday, the second of August, about

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Speaker 2: which I am not going to comment, And I am

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Speaker 2: Holly Wainwright, I'm Mere.

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Speaker 3: Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, the Olympic village is full

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Speaker 2: of losers in the nicest possible way. What can we

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Speaker 2: learn about how to handle failure from the people who

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Speaker 2: try the hardest. Plus, we're recommending a brand new fiction thriller.

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Speaker 2: MIA's spotted a rising new talent, and Jesse's cooked something.

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Speaker 3: Would we call it cooking?

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Speaker 2: She wanted something up and she's recommending it to us.

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Speaker 2: And in our best and Worse of the week, Jesse's

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Speaker 2: strange stomach. MIA's house is full of estrogen again. And

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Speaker 2: I had a feminist failure by the side of the road,

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Speaker 2: but first me a freedman.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, which you would have if

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Speaker 1: you didn't listen to Monday's episode or you're not in

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Speaker 1: the Outluders facebook group. There is a lot of debate

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Speaker 1: about how to say the word gymnast.

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Speaker 2: Jim nas gymnast.

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Speaker 1: Is the a silent or is it emphasized?

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Speaker 3: And I have heard commentators say it both ways. I

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Speaker 3: have made the observation that the British seem to say

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Speaker 3: gymnasts and the Americans seem to say gymnast.

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Speaker 2: Babe? Is it gymnastics? Maybe if you're a key, we

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Speaker 2: perhaps our fence QUEWI listeners. Maybe if you're a key,

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Speaker 2: we perhaps it's gymnastics. But for most of us it's gymnastics.

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Speaker 1: I don't agree. Do you know who would know? Shout

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Speaker 1: out to out louder Trenor, whose son Jesse Moore is

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Speaker 1: competing in the Games. Jesse is the only man in

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Speaker 1: the artistic gymnastics men's situation representing Australia. So good on, Jesse.

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Speaker 3: We have an out louder in the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: We do anyway. We asked Trenor, who's right me or Jesse.

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Speaker 1: Here's what she said, Hi, there, Mia, Holly and Jesse.

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Speaker 3: I'm Trenor Moore, mother of Jesse Moore. Male gymnast and

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Speaker 3: I hear your debating how to say gymnasts, Jesse.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Ah, I think it's gymnast with

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Speaker 1: an AA. I don't think it's really a debate really,

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Speaker 1: So then you've heard it from the gymnast himself.

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Speaker 2: Do you know our out louder who won our books,

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Speaker 2: our signed books because she's so lucky, because she was

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Speaker 2: listening to us in the most interesting place, and she

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Speaker 2: was listening to us in Antarctica with the penguins. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I asked her. She's called Sophie Counsel. I asked her

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Speaker 2: because there was a picture of her in Antarctica with

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Speaker 2: the penguins. I said, which of the hosts do the

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Speaker 2: penguins agree with most often? Is it MEA? Is it Jesse?

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Speaker 1: Is it me?

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Speaker 2: And you know what she said? She said, the penguins

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Speaker 2: request more conversations about fish and we vero much.

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Speaker 3: The story I can't stop thinking about this week concerns

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Speaker 3: a man named Harry Garside. We watched him during what

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Speaker 4: Beating myself up for the past couple of hours and

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Speaker 3: The side reminds us of is that there are more

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Speaker 3: is to win. Did you find his words refreshing? Because

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty confronting to listen to Holly, What did you think?

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Speaker 2: I love that he said it. I particularly like that

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Speaker 2: I think it's really refreshing anytime you hear sports people

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Speaker 2: with you that every one of those ten thousand athletes

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Speaker 2: Most of them won't even be expecting to, not near

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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to win gold?

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that. I think there's an enormous

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Speaker 1: I think there's what you know is likely, but there's

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Speaker 1: Steve Bradbury in the Winter Olympics when literally everybody fell

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Speaker 2: The reason we all know his name is because that's

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Speaker 1: But my point is that it does happen. So everybody's

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Speaker 3: And in order to get there, they've won a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every one of those ten thousand people, these are

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Speaker 1: I disagree. Oh, I think they're doing it to win.

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Speaker 3: And what we see as well is people who peak.

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Speaker 2: Simone Biles is amazing. But it's not even interesting to

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Speaker 1: That's what's so ironic. She's come back in Paris as

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Speaker 1: as much as everybody else, and she almost got that

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Speaker 1: redemption story that you're right, it wasn't boring anymore. That's

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Speaker 1: why we got a docco about sim Biles and everyone

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Speaker 2: Winning, winning, winning, gold, gold, gold, like me.

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Speaker 3: I guess the question though, it was like, what do

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Speaker 3: We watched the podium and then we watched the winner,

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Speaker 3: And I've really been thinking about what the village looks

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Speaker 3: like for people who You're right, Holly, there are some

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Speaker 2: one on the New York Times bestseller list, which is

435
00:20:53,647 --> 00:20:56,967
Speaker 2: something that obviously got quite related to. But hey, every

436
00:20:56,967 --> 00:20:59,087
Speaker 2: book then has to come out and number one on

437
00:20:59,087 --> 00:21:01,247
Speaker 2: the New York Times bestseller list. Or everybody pulls that

438
00:21:01,327 --> 00:21:03,487
Speaker 2: face at you that they pulling on the couch when

439
00:21:03,487 --> 00:21:06,527
Speaker 2: they're watching Arianne Tipmas do something amazing and win a

440
00:21:06,607 --> 00:21:08,287
Speaker 2: silver but it's not a gold and they're pulling the

441
00:21:08,327 --> 00:21:11,487
Speaker 2: face like oh, and so it's that thing that don't

442
00:21:11,527 --> 00:21:15,127
Speaker 2: all the really successful sport coaches, the Bencrow people of

443
00:21:15,167 --> 00:21:17,407
Speaker 2: the world say You've got to fall in love with

444
00:21:17,447 --> 00:21:20,887
Speaker 2: the process and the results will come. It's like yeah, but.

445
00:21:21,167 --> 00:21:24,247
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also and you have to fall in love

446
00:21:24,287 --> 00:21:26,767
Speaker 3: with the process because even if you win the gold medal,

447
00:21:27,607 --> 00:21:30,087
Speaker 3: it's still not going to be enough to justify all

448
00:21:30,127 --> 00:21:32,047
Speaker 3: of that training. You're going to have wanted to love

449
00:21:32,407 --> 00:21:34,927
Speaker 3: the process. But it was my point is at what

450
00:21:34,967 --> 00:21:36,887
Speaker 3: point do you give up? Yeah, because you know, it's

451
00:21:36,887 --> 00:21:39,727
Speaker 3: like now with reproductive technology, for example, it used to

452
00:21:39,807 --> 00:21:43,207
Speaker 3: be you try to have a baby until you're over

453
00:21:43,367 --> 00:21:45,447
Speaker 3: is packed in and then you went, okay, I can't.

454
00:21:45,487 --> 00:21:47,607
Speaker 3: Now it's like, well, there's so many options. Of course

455
00:21:47,607 --> 00:21:49,247
Speaker 3: they cost money, but you could do this, you could

456
00:21:49,287 --> 00:21:51,247
Speaker 3: do that, you could do it. And it's like is that.

457
00:21:51,167 --> 00:21:54,447
Speaker 1: Good or is it actually in some ways cruel to

458
00:21:54,607 --> 00:21:56,727
Speaker 1: keep the hope alive or is it better because it

459
00:21:56,807 --> 00:21:58,807
Speaker 1: just means you have to readjust and go, Okay, maybe

460
00:21:58,807 --> 00:22:01,007
Speaker 1: I won't be able to have my biological child, but

461
00:22:01,047 --> 00:22:04,527
Speaker 1: I could still find another way. Maybe I'll foster a child.

462
00:22:04,607 --> 00:22:07,087
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, like you said about moving the gold.

463
00:22:06,927 --> 00:22:10,847
Speaker 3: Posts, it's like the sunk cost foul, which is that

464
00:22:11,487 --> 00:22:13,487
Speaker 3: I've been trying at this thing for ages and ages

465
00:22:13,487 --> 00:22:17,927
Speaker 3: and ages, say, being an actor, and I'm probably not

466
00:22:17,967 --> 00:22:20,287
Speaker 3: going to get there. To let go of that feels

467
00:22:20,407 --> 00:22:22,207
Speaker 3: like to let go of all the hard work you've done.

468
00:22:22,527 --> 00:22:25,047
Speaker 3: You don't want to waste all of that. So you

469
00:22:25,127 --> 00:22:27,527
Speaker 3: keep going, you keep going, you keep going. And what's

470
00:22:27,567 --> 00:22:30,767
Speaker 3: on the other side of trying for conception or Harry

471
00:22:30,807 --> 00:22:34,247
Speaker 3: Garside or whatever, is that the big job to do

472
00:22:34,367 --> 00:22:37,967
Speaker 3: the next day is identity creation, because it's like who

473
00:22:38,047 --> 00:22:41,807
Speaker 3: am I? When I wake up? Even after a gold medal,

474
00:22:41,847 --> 00:22:43,127
Speaker 3: it's like, who am I?

475
00:22:43,127 --> 00:22:46,087
Speaker 1: If I not trying to go, that's so much better

476
00:22:46,127 --> 00:22:48,007
Speaker 1: than me. I was talking about the future. But you're right.

477
00:22:48,087 --> 00:22:49,407
Speaker 1: It's a bad identity, isn't it.

478
00:22:49,487 --> 00:22:53,367
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you go, I now have to start from

479
00:22:53,527 --> 00:22:56,447
Speaker 3: the bottom. And I've had moments of these in my

480
00:22:56,487 --> 00:22:59,087
Speaker 3: life and you're talking about retreating, and I keep this

481
00:22:59,167 --> 00:23:01,767
Speaker 3: journal I'm not a journaler. I don't normally journal, but

482
00:23:01,927 --> 00:23:04,607
Speaker 3: I all these moments of crossroads. I sit down and

483
00:23:04,607 --> 00:23:08,087
Speaker 3: I run, and there are nuggets in that that I

484
00:23:08,167 --> 00:23:10,127
Speaker 3: look back on and I'm like, oh wow, I could

485
00:23:10,167 --> 00:23:12,647
Speaker 3: see something then, right, And like that's something that I've helped.

486
00:23:12,727 --> 00:23:16,607
Speaker 3: I like that moved me through things like let's I've

487
00:23:16,647 --> 00:23:19,607
Speaker 3: had an enormous failure and I've just felt like I've

488
00:23:19,647 --> 00:23:21,807
Speaker 3: got some really uncomfortable feelings. I don't know what to

489
00:23:21,807 --> 00:23:23,767
Speaker 3: do with it. I don't like just sitting still, so

490
00:23:23,847 --> 00:23:27,847
Speaker 3: all right, and I'll uncover why that felt like a failure.

491
00:23:27,967 --> 00:23:30,607
Speaker 3: Maybe what the thing I was actually aiming for is

492
00:23:30,647 --> 00:23:33,087
Speaker 3: and hidden in that it's not immediate, but hidden in

493
00:23:33,127 --> 00:23:36,167
Speaker 3: that is actually what I'm looking towards, or actually what

494
00:23:36,247 --> 00:23:37,887
Speaker 3: I want. I find that helpful.

495
00:23:38,047 --> 00:23:40,367
Speaker 2: Do you think, because we've taught before about people who

496
00:23:40,367 --> 00:23:42,767
Speaker 2: are really goal oriented and people who aren't, if you

497
00:23:42,847 --> 00:23:46,087
Speaker 2: are hyper goal oriented and you are as you say, Mia,

498
00:23:46,287 --> 00:23:50,127
Speaker 2: you have to realize that your dream is unattainable. Do

499
00:23:50,167 --> 00:23:52,047
Speaker 2: you think you have to swap it for another dream?

500
00:23:52,247 --> 00:23:53,807
Speaker 2: You know, like the idea of how you get over

501
00:23:53,847 --> 00:23:56,927
Speaker 2: a breakup is like get under another one, that kind

502
00:23:57,007 --> 00:23:59,247
Speaker 2: of thing. Do you think that if that is your thing?

503
00:23:59,607 --> 00:24:01,447
Speaker 2: Like if it was like I am going to win

504
00:24:01,487 --> 00:24:04,647
Speaker 2: an oscar and then it becomes apparent that you're probably

505
00:24:04,687 --> 00:24:06,887
Speaker 2: not going to you Mike Michelle yo one one, Like

506
00:24:07,087 --> 00:24:09,807
Speaker 2: the sixties people were like that, you have to swap

507
00:24:09,847 --> 00:24:12,847
Speaker 2: it for something else. Okay, I'm going to kayak across

508
00:24:12,887 --> 00:24:14,927
Speaker 2: to New Zealand, Like I don't know, do you think

509
00:24:14,927 --> 00:24:18,367
Speaker 2: that there are some personality types who need to chase

510
00:24:19,007 --> 00:24:19,847
Speaker 2: I need to chase.

511
00:24:20,487 --> 00:24:23,327
Speaker 1: I get over failure pretty quickly, though, I think.

512
00:24:23,207 --> 00:24:24,287
Speaker 3: I didn't see your memory.

513
00:24:24,527 --> 00:24:27,087
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I don't remember, don't forget it.

514
00:24:27,487 --> 00:24:30,487
Speaker 1: I think it's true. I'm like, oh, that feels bad.

515
00:24:30,527 --> 00:24:32,247
Speaker 3: Okay, next, Wait, what did I fail at?

516
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:32,807
Speaker 2: Yeah?

517
00:24:32,847 --> 00:24:34,687
Speaker 1: And it's like I'm just next, next, next, which is

518
00:24:34,687 --> 00:24:37,687
Speaker 1: exhausting in a different way. But you're right, hole, I'm

519
00:24:37,687 --> 00:24:40,607
Speaker 1: thinking about what you said about how I'm very leaderboard.

520
00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:44,247
Speaker 1: It helps me organize things, and it also I do

521
00:24:44,287 --> 00:24:47,287
Speaker 1: see myself on the podium, not because I think I

522
00:24:47,327 --> 00:24:49,847
Speaker 1: deserve to be there, but because that's what success looks

523
00:24:49,887 --> 00:24:52,487
Speaker 1: like to me. And if I'm not there, then I

524
00:24:52,527 --> 00:24:56,207
Speaker 1: feel shit. I'm not like I gave it a good

525
00:24:56,207 --> 00:24:59,367
Speaker 1: old try. And I don't think you are either.

526
00:24:59,447 --> 00:25:02,087
Speaker 2: I think you would like to think I always say

527
00:25:02,087 --> 00:25:04,527
Speaker 2: I'm not competitive. It's not true, right, I am like

528
00:25:04,607 --> 00:25:07,967
Speaker 2: and I'm ambitious and I'm driven right, no question, yes,

529
00:25:08,247 --> 00:25:11,967
Speaker 2: Because if I was like, I wouldn't be sitting at

530
00:25:11,967 --> 00:25:14,127
Speaker 2: this table with you people, because this is a hard

531
00:25:14,167 --> 00:25:16,967
Speaker 2: seat to fill. But one of the things that doesn't

532
00:25:16,967 --> 00:25:18,527
Speaker 2: sit well with me, and it's going to make me

533
00:25:18,527 --> 00:25:21,167
Speaker 2: sound like a wanker to say it, is that leader

534
00:25:21,207 --> 00:25:24,687
Speaker 2: boards mean that you think everybody else on the leader

535
00:25:24,687 --> 00:25:28,127
Speaker 2: board is not as good as you, and I always

536
00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:29,927
Speaker 2: think that a lot of people are a lot better

537
00:25:29,967 --> 00:25:33,727
Speaker 2: than me, which is a self esteem and selfish thing, right.

538
00:25:33,767 --> 00:25:36,887
Speaker 2: So if I'm like I have to be the best,

539
00:25:37,487 --> 00:25:39,527
Speaker 2: that means that I have to assume that then the

540
00:25:39,567 --> 00:25:42,327
Speaker 2: people underneath me and I just don't see the world

541
00:25:42,447 --> 00:25:44,087
Speaker 2: like that. I think we've all got a lot of

542
00:25:44,127 --> 00:25:47,407
Speaker 2: different things to bring. And it's interesting because so my

543
00:25:47,527 --> 00:25:49,927
Speaker 2: daughter is really spawedy. It's the way in which she

544
00:25:50,047 --> 00:25:53,487
Speaker 2: is least like me. I have never been sporty, and

545
00:25:53,527 --> 00:25:57,127
Speaker 2: she absolutely loves it, and she isn't necessarily. She won't

546
00:25:57,127 --> 00:25:59,687
Speaker 2: like me saying this, but she doesn't. She isn't necessarily

547
00:25:59,727 --> 00:26:02,927
Speaker 2: the best player on her AFL team. There are some

548
00:26:03,007 --> 00:26:06,847
Speaker 2: girls on that team who are so naturally talented and

549
00:26:06,887 --> 00:26:09,047
Speaker 2: who can kick a ball like you wouldn't believe it,

550
00:26:09,127 --> 00:26:11,207
Speaker 2: so precision, and they work very hard, and she works

551
00:26:11,247 --> 00:26:14,447
Speaker 2: really hard, and she's probably never going to be that person,

552
00:26:14,727 --> 00:26:19,207
Speaker 2: but she loves it, right, love loves it. If the

553
00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:22,127
Speaker 2: only aim is to always be the best, does that

554
00:26:22,167 --> 00:26:23,967
Speaker 2: mean that you should go I should give up because

555
00:26:23,967 --> 00:26:26,007
Speaker 2: I'm never going to be that person. Do you know

556
00:26:26,007 --> 00:26:26,407
Speaker 2: what I mean?

557
00:26:26,447 --> 00:26:29,767
Speaker 1: Do you like doing things that you're not really good

558
00:26:29,767 --> 00:26:33,287
Speaker 1: at or don't have the potential to be really good at. No,

559
00:26:34,247 --> 00:26:36,567
Speaker 1: I've got a friend who is I don't think so.

560
00:26:36,727 --> 00:26:39,127
Speaker 1: I've got a friend who's one of the best in Australia,

561
00:26:39,167 --> 00:26:43,247
Speaker 1: if not the world at what she does. And she's

562
00:26:43,487 --> 00:26:46,527
Speaker 1: just about a year ago took up an instrument, which

563
00:26:46,567 --> 00:26:49,207
Speaker 1: was really random, like just why who starts playing an

564
00:26:49,247 --> 00:26:53,407
Speaker 1: instrument in their fifties. She was like, I've mastered that

565
00:26:53,527 --> 00:26:55,607
Speaker 1: other thing. I know that I'm good at it, like

566
00:26:55,647 --> 00:26:58,167
Speaker 1: I know that I am one of the best in Australia,

567
00:26:58,167 --> 00:27:01,807
Speaker 1: if not the world. But it's actually very humbling, not

568
00:27:01,927 --> 00:27:05,727
Speaker 1: in a I need to be more humble. It's more

569
00:27:06,247 --> 00:27:09,367
Speaker 1: she's liking not being good at something because you can

570
00:27:09,407 --> 00:27:12,327
Speaker 1: only once you your master. It's something you incrementally improving.

571
00:27:12,687 --> 00:27:15,487
Speaker 1: But she's starting at the absolute baseline, and she says

572
00:27:15,487 --> 00:27:21,407
Speaker 1: it's exercising her brain and her competitiveness in a way

573
00:27:21,447 --> 00:27:23,247
Speaker 1: that it hasn't been for a really long time.

574
00:27:23,887 --> 00:27:26,767
Speaker 2: I do like trying new things, like I'm then getting

575
00:27:26,887 --> 00:27:29,807
Speaker 2: into it and yeah, I don't know. It's interesting because

576
00:27:29,807 --> 00:27:32,567
Speaker 2: I think is it true that if I'm very leaderboard

577
00:27:32,607 --> 00:27:34,447
Speaker 2: focused that I think everyone else is a loser.

578
00:27:34,967 --> 00:27:37,007
Speaker 1: Well, typically that's not what I think. It's more just

579
00:27:37,047 --> 00:27:40,367
Speaker 1: that I think I'm a loser, Yes, exactly.

580
00:27:40,487 --> 00:27:42,687
Speaker 2: It's like, so we're all looking at our own Yes,

581
00:27:42,847 --> 00:27:43,207
Speaker 2: I have.

582
00:27:43,167 --> 00:27:46,487
Speaker 1: One standard for me, and then I think everybody else

583
00:27:46,567 --> 00:27:47,487
Speaker 1: is great. Kind of thing.

584
00:27:47,847 --> 00:27:50,927
Speaker 3: I want to know about out louders and moments of

585
00:27:50,967 --> 00:27:53,967
Speaker 3: failure because that's why the Olympics resonates, So that's why

586
00:27:53,967 --> 00:27:56,007
Speaker 3: we all watch it. That's why there are stories everywhere,

587
00:27:56,087 --> 00:27:58,007
Speaker 3: is because there is something about winning and losing that

588
00:27:58,127 --> 00:28:01,087
Speaker 3: is universal. And I want to know out louders who

589
00:28:01,087 --> 00:28:03,687
Speaker 3: have had an enormous failure, like what did you do next?

590
00:28:03,847 --> 00:28:06,007
Speaker 3: What's the plan? How did you get yourself out of

591
00:28:06,007 --> 00:28:08,007
Speaker 3: a funk? I would love to hear join us in

592
00:28:08,047 --> 00:28:09,207
Speaker 3: the out Louders Facebook.

593
00:28:16,687 --> 00:28:22,807
Speaker 2: Hell, it's Friday, so we are recommending things that you

594
00:28:22,847 --> 00:28:26,007
Speaker 2: can do and eat and watch this weekend. I think

595
00:28:26,047 --> 00:28:28,567
Speaker 2: that Maya should go first because she's on this like

596
00:28:28,727 --> 00:28:31,927
Speaker 2: little known new talent that I think we should all

597
00:28:32,487 --> 00:28:35,647
Speaker 2: get on board with. Mia, what's your recommendation this week?

598
00:28:35,767 --> 00:28:40,087
Speaker 1: I was on Instagram on the weekend and I stumbled

599
00:28:40,127 --> 00:28:45,367
Speaker 1: across Hamish Blake's stories and he was making a birthday cake?

600
00:28:45,687 --> 00:28:48,047
Speaker 3: What he makes a birthday cake.

601
00:28:48,207 --> 00:28:53,287
Speaker 1: He does this thing for his two kids on their birthdays,

602
00:28:53,327 --> 00:28:55,847
Speaker 1: where they can say whenever they want, he makes a

603
00:28:55,847 --> 00:28:58,927
Speaker 1: birthday cake. He does it through the night with whiskey

604
00:28:58,967 --> 00:29:01,567
Speaker 1: some form of alcohol, and he turns it into an

605
00:29:01,647 --> 00:29:04,367
Speaker 1: Instagram story sort of live doesn't live stream it, but

606
00:29:04,887 --> 00:29:07,527
Speaker 1: make stories. She need me to explain it more.

607
00:29:07,607 --> 00:29:10,047
Speaker 2: Why are you recommending it? Because the thing is is

608
00:29:10,087 --> 00:29:12,487
Speaker 2: that we've discussed this on this show before.

609
00:29:12,527 --> 00:29:13,967
Speaker 1: I think he's been doing it for ten years.

610
00:29:14,007 --> 00:29:16,127
Speaker 2: Some women don't like it because they're like, why does

611
00:29:16,167 --> 00:29:18,087
Speaker 2: this guy get all the accolades from making the cakes.

612
00:29:18,087 --> 00:29:20,807
Speaker 2: I've always said, I think we need to encourage the man.

613
00:29:20,647 --> 00:29:23,127
Speaker 3: Who gets funny. I think it's like mated. I love Hamish.

614
00:29:23,207 --> 00:29:26,007
Speaker 2: Other people say to me, who cleans up all that mess?

615
00:29:26,407 --> 00:29:27,887
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those Why do you?

616
00:29:28,007 --> 00:29:29,767
Speaker 2: Why have you? Why did it resonate with you?

617
00:29:30,287 --> 00:29:33,407
Speaker 1: Two recommendations. One is the actual watching of it, and

618
00:29:33,407 --> 00:29:35,687
Speaker 1: he saved it on his highlight. This year's daughter wanted

619
00:29:35,847 --> 00:29:38,207
Speaker 1: him to make a cake with in the faces of

620
00:29:38,207 --> 00:29:41,047
Speaker 1: his two cats. They've got those squashy faced cats. A

621
00:29:41,087 --> 00:29:47,327
Speaker 1: piece of cake, pieces of cake. I like watching baking.

622
00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:49,607
Speaker 1: I don't know why I've been resistant to it. So

623
00:29:49,687 --> 00:29:51,447
Speaker 1: one is to actually go and watch it because it's

624
00:29:51,487 --> 00:29:53,647
Speaker 1: just entertaining, and the other thing is having a more

625
00:29:53,687 --> 00:29:57,327
Speaker 1: open mind because I always really liked Hamish. I know

626
00:29:57,407 --> 00:29:59,967
Speaker 1: Hamish personally a little bit, and I think he's a

627
00:30:00,007 --> 00:30:02,967
Speaker 1: delight and he's the same off camera as he's on camera.

628
00:30:03,967 --> 00:30:07,367
Speaker 1: But when we've discussed this and I know this phenomenon

629
00:30:07,607 --> 00:30:11,447
Speaker 1: and this polarization around Hamish Blake's cakes, and mostly it's

630
00:30:11,447 --> 00:30:13,167
Speaker 1: just a bit of a good time and he does

631
00:30:13,167 --> 00:30:14,727
Speaker 1: it for his kids and it also makes a lot

632
00:30:14,727 --> 00:30:17,327
Speaker 1: of other people really happy. He's just very basic in

633
00:30:17,327 --> 00:30:20,327
Speaker 1: that way and very generous and it's lovely. But the

634
00:30:20,407 --> 00:30:23,127
Speaker 1: thing about a whyder men get so many accolades and

635
00:30:23,167 --> 00:30:25,527
Speaker 1: women just have to do it without applause. And I

636
00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:29,127
Speaker 1: guess I've been a bit bar humbug about it. And

637
00:30:29,207 --> 00:30:30,967
Speaker 1: then you actually watch and I think it's one of

638
00:30:31,007 --> 00:30:34,487
Speaker 1: those things that the internet has. So often we'll read

639
00:30:34,527 --> 00:30:38,527
Speaker 1: an opinion or hear an opinion about something without or

640
00:30:38,567 --> 00:30:40,727
Speaker 1: before we've even looked at the actual thing and made

641
00:30:40,767 --> 00:30:44,127
Speaker 1: up our own mind. It was a good reminder to

642
00:30:44,287 --> 00:30:44,887
Speaker 1: not do that.

643
00:30:45,167 --> 00:30:47,527
Speaker 3: The Internet reminds me of high school when someone whispers

644
00:30:47,527 --> 00:30:48,327
Speaker 3: in your ear, like.

645
00:30:48,367 --> 00:30:50,167
Speaker 1: Don't you think that me is a bit blah?

646
00:30:50,367 --> 00:30:52,727
Speaker 3: And then you start noticing this thing about Mayor that

647
00:30:52,767 --> 00:30:54,767
Speaker 3: you never would have known, and it's like, I actually

648
00:30:54,767 --> 00:30:55,607
Speaker 3: don't even think that.

649
00:30:56,167 --> 00:30:59,127
Speaker 1: And it's also just like this is so funny because

650
00:30:59,127 --> 00:31:00,607
Speaker 1: this is our show. But like, do we have to

651
00:31:00,607 --> 00:31:01,527
Speaker 1: have a hot take on Amy?

652
00:31:02,687 --> 00:31:04,927
Speaker 3: You say yes, part of.

653
00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:10,047
Speaker 2: I think the hot takes on Hamish black cakes like

654
00:31:10,127 --> 00:31:13,807
Speaker 2: five years old. I love them too. I'm very much

655
00:31:13,807 --> 00:31:16,567
Speaker 2: on board with you. Like I don't always watch it depends,

656
00:31:16,607 --> 00:31:18,887
Speaker 2: but like he's just a joy to watch, and I

657
00:31:19,767 --> 00:31:19,967
Speaker 2: like his.

658
00:31:20,327 --> 00:31:21,967
Speaker 1: I'm now going to go back and watch all the others.

659
00:31:22,167 --> 00:31:25,087
Speaker 1: And it was really interesting the precision with which he

660
00:31:25,167 --> 00:31:27,167
Speaker 1: does it. He's got all these instruments. I'm sure it

661
00:31:27,167 --> 00:31:29,527
Speaker 1: didn't start off this technical, but he's got like he

662
00:31:29,567 --> 00:31:32,287
Speaker 1: does his black gloves, and it's just funny him and

663
00:31:32,327 --> 00:31:33,127
Speaker 1: his mate and.

664
00:31:33,167 --> 00:31:35,407
Speaker 3: It's just you know what this actually ties into the

665
00:31:35,447 --> 00:31:37,967
Speaker 3: last segment. I have heard Hamish interviewed because you know

666
00:31:37,967 --> 00:31:39,607
Speaker 3: people you just want to hear interviewed, and you think

667
00:31:39,607 --> 00:31:41,367
Speaker 3: maybe I'll be more like you if I just hear

668
00:31:41,367 --> 00:31:44,567
Speaker 3: you talking he's a delight. He says that there is

669
00:31:44,607 --> 00:31:50,007
Speaker 3: something innately funny about trying really really hard at things,

670
00:31:50,287 --> 00:31:53,887
Speaker 3: that enthusiasm is infectious, and that that's actually funny because

671
00:31:53,887 --> 00:31:56,047
Speaker 3: a lot of us are like you kind of like

672
00:31:56,087 --> 00:31:57,647
Speaker 3: the cake thing, right, you could do like a half

673
00:31:57,647 --> 00:32:00,487
Speaker 3: fast job. What makes it great is how hard he's trying.

674
00:32:00,807 --> 00:32:03,847
Speaker 3: That's what life is about, is just giving yourself one

675
00:32:03,927 --> 00:32:05,167
Speaker 3: hundred percent, which is what we were.

676
00:32:05,087 --> 00:32:10,047
Speaker 1: Just talking about, the vulnerability and the humor in trying

677
00:32:10,127 --> 00:32:12,287
Speaker 1: really hard even if you're shit at it, and it's

678
00:32:12,447 --> 00:32:14,887
Speaker 1: very much not shit. Did he start out shit?

679
00:32:15,207 --> 00:32:18,647
Speaker 2: He definitely got better, definitely got better and very ambitious,

680
00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:22,087
Speaker 2: like very ambitious in the cake mate the stuff.

681
00:32:21,847 --> 00:32:23,527
Speaker 1: Where if my kids said that to me, I'd just

682
00:32:23,567 --> 00:32:26,247
Speaker 1: start crying and run away, like I couldn't. I don't

683
00:32:26,247 --> 00:32:28,127
Speaker 1: bake birthday anyway. If you want to have a look

684
00:32:28,127 --> 00:32:31,327
Speaker 1: at it, it's on Hamish Blake shots on Instagram. He's

685
00:32:31,367 --> 00:32:32,367
Speaker 1: got it in his highlights.

686
00:32:32,647 --> 00:32:34,847
Speaker 2: I'm going to go next. I'm recommending a book. It's

687
00:32:34,887 --> 00:32:37,087
Speaker 2: a brand new book, and I think you've read.

688
00:32:36,967 --> 00:32:37,447
Speaker 1: It too, Jesse.

689
00:32:37,647 --> 00:32:39,487
Speaker 3: I have, and I hadn't recommended it yet because it

690
00:32:39,527 --> 00:32:42,127
Speaker 3: hadn't been really I think it just came out yesterday

691
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:45,007
Speaker 3: in fact or this week, and it's called Girl Falling

692
00:32:45,087 --> 00:32:49,127
Speaker 3: and it's by Hayley Scrivenat. Now if that name rings

693
00:32:49,167 --> 00:32:51,127
Speaker 3: a bell with you, it might be because you read

694
00:32:51,167 --> 00:32:53,127
Speaker 3: her first novel, which was called Dirt Town.

695
00:32:53,247 --> 00:32:55,487
Speaker 1: Oh. I love that so good.

696
00:32:55,527 --> 00:32:59,047
Speaker 2: It won loads of what's speaking of competitions for creative pursuits.

697
00:32:59,287 --> 00:33:03,087
Speaker 2: She is a gold medalist because far out that book was.

698
00:33:04,647 --> 00:33:08,687
Speaker 1: Do you feel a bit shit? But it sucks?

699
00:33:08,727 --> 00:33:11,607
Speaker 3: Because's actual really nice and listened to her speak because

700
00:33:11,607 --> 00:33:13,127
Speaker 3: I've been like, how do I be more like you?

701
00:33:13,287 --> 00:33:17,287
Speaker 1: That was great. I assume it's being made really good.

702
00:33:17,327 --> 00:33:19,167
Speaker 2: Anyway. Her second book is quite different. I think it's

703
00:33:19,207 --> 00:33:22,567
Speaker 2: pretty different, really different, right, And it's really interesting because

704
00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:24,407
Speaker 2: it's set in the Blue Mountains, which is in New

705
00:33:24,447 --> 00:33:26,487
Speaker 2: South Wales outside of Sydney, and it's very famous for

706
00:33:26,607 --> 00:33:31,127
Speaker 2: rock climbing, right, And it's about these two best friends

707
00:33:31,327 --> 00:33:34,767
Speaker 2: really who grew up around there and who are rock climbers.

708
00:33:35,287 --> 00:33:38,007
Speaker 2: And then one day they go climbing with one of

709
00:33:38,007 --> 00:33:42,687
Speaker 2: the best friend's newish girlfriend and she falls to her death.

710
00:33:42,927 --> 00:33:44,527
Speaker 2: The newest girlfriend falls.

711
00:33:44,287 --> 00:33:44,807
Speaker 1: To her death.

712
00:33:45,007 --> 00:33:48,047
Speaker 2: That's how the book opens. So no spoilers there, right,

713
00:33:48,447 --> 00:33:50,767
Speaker 2: and then the rest of the book obviously is sort

714
00:33:50,807 --> 00:33:54,807
Speaker 2: of unpacking what happened, what happened that day, what happened

715
00:33:54,807 --> 00:33:57,207
Speaker 2: in their past, what happened to get these three women

716
00:33:57,287 --> 00:34:00,687
Speaker 2: to that place at that time, the friendship between the

717
00:34:00,727 --> 00:34:01,327
Speaker 2: two women.

718
00:34:02,167 --> 00:34:04,407
Speaker 1: Similar to Dirt Town in that it starts with a

719
00:34:04,727 --> 00:34:06,927
Speaker 1: murder or a dead body that was more of a crime.

720
00:34:07,167 --> 00:34:08,727
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't a crime procedural, but it was

721
00:34:08,727 --> 00:34:10,927
Speaker 2: a crime book. I mean, obviously this is a crime,

722
00:34:10,927 --> 00:34:13,407
Speaker 2: but it's not really a crime book. But that's not how.

723
00:34:13,287 --> 00:34:16,327
Speaker 3: I've And it's very centered. Like Haley Scribner in her

724
00:34:16,327 --> 00:34:18,487
Speaker 3: first book, which was really cool, was like she had

725
00:34:18,567 --> 00:34:22,687
Speaker 3: this subplot about like a queer love story, and that's

726
00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:24,887
Speaker 3: what this is as well. Like it's exploring that in

727
00:34:24,887 --> 00:34:27,207
Speaker 3: Australian context, which you do not see that often.

728
00:34:27,407 --> 00:34:29,447
Speaker 1: And she does a great plot.

729
00:34:29,807 --> 00:34:31,687
Speaker 2: Interestingly, and she.

730
00:34:31,807 --> 00:34:33,207
Speaker 1: Young, is she old? What's her vibe?

731
00:34:33,527 --> 00:34:37,367
Speaker 2: She's young, youngish, she's really nice. She lives in Wollongong

732
00:34:37,367 --> 00:34:40,327
Speaker 2: down my way. She's really really great. Anyway, I'm really

733
00:34:40,367 --> 00:34:43,367
Speaker 2: recommending it. It's called Girl Falling. It's really dramatic. It's

734
00:34:43,407 --> 00:34:46,527
Speaker 2: a page turner, but also she's literary, like, it's beautifully written,

735
00:34:47,047 --> 00:34:48,207
Speaker 2: she's great read it.

736
00:34:48,367 --> 00:34:51,047
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those endings that just ten out

737
00:34:51,087 --> 00:34:53,807
Speaker 3: of ten does not let you down. I am recommending

738
00:34:54,447 --> 00:34:55,567
Speaker 3: Aldi spannicoptera.

739
00:34:56,447 --> 00:34:58,567
Speaker 2: You are speaking my language, yep.

740
00:34:59,047 --> 00:35:02,567
Speaker 3: So we have been doing our Aldi shop. I think

741
00:35:02,607 --> 00:35:05,047
Speaker 3: once a quarter I throw in an Aldi recommendation. The

742
00:35:05,127 --> 00:35:09,607
Speaker 3: last one was the very cheap dishwasher tablets. Today is

743
00:35:09,647 --> 00:35:12,007
Speaker 3: the spanic Coppeta. It's about nine dollars. I was trying

744
00:35:12,007 --> 00:35:14,407
Speaker 3: to find out online. I think it's about that wow.

745
00:35:14,927 --> 00:35:16,767
Speaker 1: And I saw it on an ad the other day

746
00:35:16,847 --> 00:35:20,247
Speaker 1: after you mentioned it to me. Luca mentioned it. I

747
00:35:20,287 --> 00:35:21,207
Speaker 1: saw it on an ad.

748
00:35:21,327 --> 00:35:24,447
Speaker 3: Go to our Can you explain it?

749
00:35:24,487 --> 00:35:25,727
Speaker 1: Because I haven't eaten one?

750
00:35:25,887 --> 00:35:28,807
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Marriage'll change your life. So it's like,

751
00:35:29,287 --> 00:35:34,967
Speaker 3: you know about.

752
00:35:32,407 --> 00:35:33,087
Speaker 1: Four or five nights.

753
00:35:33,327 --> 00:35:34,527
Speaker 2: You do, you absolutely do.

754
00:35:34,647 --> 00:35:36,687
Speaker 3: So it's got like spinach and fetter in it, and

755
00:35:36,727 --> 00:35:37,927
Speaker 3: it's like a twirly thing.

756
00:35:39,607 --> 00:35:43,327
Speaker 2: A spana copta is a Greek pastry. You're aware of this, right, Yeah,

757
00:35:43,447 --> 00:35:46,527
Speaker 2: pastry with fetta and spinach in it's yeah, it's really

758
00:35:46,567 --> 00:35:48,967
Speaker 2: freaking You can make them yourself. But why would you

759
00:35:49,007 --> 00:35:50,607
Speaker 2: when Aaldi make such a good one you.

760
00:35:50,607 --> 00:35:54,287
Speaker 3: Chuck at the oven. They are obnoxiously massive, and they

761
00:35:54,327 --> 00:35:57,807
Speaker 3: are perfect for like if you are going somewhere and

762
00:35:57,887 --> 00:36:01,087
Speaker 3: someone says something stupid like bring a plate. That happened

763
00:36:01,127 --> 00:36:04,327
Speaker 3: to me recently and I brought course cuss and that

764
00:36:04,487 --> 00:36:06,847
Speaker 3: was not what they meant. Can you just get me some? Yeah,

765
00:36:06,847 --> 00:36:08,967
Speaker 3: I'll get you some. And I'm worried, I said to Luca,

766
00:36:09,007 --> 00:36:10,767
Speaker 3: I don't want to recommend this because next time I go,

767
00:36:10,847 --> 00:36:12,287
Speaker 3: there's not going to be any left. I got a

768
00:36:12,327 --> 00:36:14,287
Speaker 3: particular time during the week because it bloody cells out.

769
00:36:14,287 --> 00:36:15,247
Speaker 1: I've heard it's quite fatal.

770
00:36:15,447 --> 00:36:16,247
Speaker 3: It's really famous.

771
00:36:16,247 --> 00:36:18,447
Speaker 2: They're so famous. Aldi is as we know, like some

772
00:36:18,607 --> 00:36:22,167
Speaker 2: of the things at Aldi have cult status. This is

773
00:36:22,207 --> 00:36:22,687
Speaker 2: one of them.

774
00:36:22,767 --> 00:36:24,687
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's brilliant. Span a copata. We have it with

775
00:36:24,767 --> 00:36:26,567
Speaker 3: rose veggies or a salad, and then I have it

776
00:36:26,647 --> 00:36:29,887
Speaker 3: with Suzeki as well, and it's so good. For links

777
00:36:29,887 --> 00:36:32,167
Speaker 3: to all our recommendations, make sure you sign up to

778
00:36:32,167 --> 00:36:35,287
Speaker 3: the Mummere out Loud newsletter. It is written by our friends.

779
00:36:36,607 --> 00:36:38,927
Speaker 3: There will be a link in the show notes. Really

780
00:36:38,967 --> 00:36:39,567
Speaker 3: new edit it.

781
00:36:40,167 --> 00:36:42,887
Speaker 1: No, I don't anymore, don't you know? I said it's

782
00:36:42,927 --> 00:36:44,927
Speaker 1: really good. I'm really good.

783
00:36:45,167 --> 00:36:47,527
Speaker 3: It's really good because m writes it. I said, you

784
00:36:47,687 --> 00:36:48,167
Speaker 3: edit it.

785
00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:50,967
Speaker 1: Well, I don't even edit it anymore. Okay, but I did.

786
00:36:51,047 --> 00:36:56,527
Speaker 1: But anyway, Ruth's still never mind. Just sign up for

787
00:36:56,567 --> 00:37:01,087
Speaker 1: it outlad has gone do us as solid? Do you

788
00:37:01,127 --> 00:37:04,567
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789
00:37:04,567 --> 00:37:08,767
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790
00:37:09,407 --> 00:37:10,847
Speaker 1: The link in the show notes to get us in

791
00:37:10,887 --> 00:37:13,567
Speaker 1: your ears five days a week, and a huge thank

792
00:37:13,607 --> 00:37:25,167
Speaker 1: you if you're already a subscriber. It's time for Best

793
00:37:25,167 --> 00:37:26,847
Speaker 1: and Worst, the part of the show where we share

794
00:37:26,847 --> 00:37:29,007
Speaker 1: a little more from our personal lives, because don't you

795
00:37:29,047 --> 00:37:32,567
Speaker 1: want to all hear more? Holly, what was your worst

796
00:37:32,607 --> 00:37:33,127
Speaker 1: of the week?

797
00:37:33,607 --> 00:37:36,407
Speaker 2: Speaking about trying hard at things? A while ago, I

798
00:37:36,447 --> 00:37:38,287
Speaker 2: told you that there was a rat in my vegetables

799
00:37:38,327 --> 00:37:40,847
Speaker 2: at my house than you very upsetting me. You guys

800
00:37:40,887 --> 00:37:43,887
Speaker 2: have blanked it out because it had gardening, and I understand,

801
00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:44,527
Speaker 2: not your thing.

802
00:37:44,887 --> 00:37:47,287
Speaker 1: I've got a rat or a mouse in my house

803
00:37:47,527 --> 00:37:50,127
Speaker 1: because I went and tried to get some bread the

804
00:37:50,167 --> 00:37:52,927
Speaker 1: other day and there was a little hole that had

805
00:37:52,967 --> 00:37:55,607
Speaker 1: been burrowed into the plastic that the bread comes in.

806
00:37:56,007 --> 00:37:58,407
Speaker 1: And there was some of the bread missing.

807
00:37:58,487 --> 00:38:02,967
Speaker 3: That's disgusting. What do you do to get build?

808
00:38:03,607 --> 00:38:05,407
Speaker 2: Thought it had gone I thought it had gone away,

809
00:38:05,447 --> 00:38:07,767
Speaker 2: and so I planted some things. They disappeared again, so it.

810
00:38:07,807 --> 00:38:08,487
Speaker 1: Was still that right.

811
00:38:08,727 --> 00:38:11,847
Speaker 2: So I am very proud of myself because on Saturday

812
00:38:11,927 --> 00:38:14,487
Speaker 2: afternoon I went and I got chicken wire, and I

813
00:38:14,567 --> 00:38:17,767
Speaker 2: got wooden steaks, and I built myself like with my

814
00:38:17,807 --> 00:38:19,847
Speaker 2: own bare hands. I've got the scratches and stuff to

815
00:38:19,887 --> 00:38:22,567
Speaker 2: prove it, a cover to go over the veggie bed.

816
00:38:22,607 --> 00:38:23,807
Speaker 1: I thought there was sex injuries.

817
00:38:25,007 --> 00:38:27,447
Speaker 3: That is so satisfying to be something with you, hair.

818
00:38:27,447 --> 00:38:28,927
Speaker 2: I was so proud of myself. I had to cut

819
00:38:28,967 --> 00:38:31,087
Speaker 2: up the wire. I had to well. Actually I got

820
00:38:31,127 --> 00:38:32,727
Speaker 2: Brent to saw the steaks in half. But we won't

821
00:38:32,767 --> 00:38:34,727
Speaker 2: dwell on that. I built it, I made it all.

822
00:38:34,767 --> 00:38:36,207
Speaker 2: I was so proud of myself, and I thought, I'm

823
00:38:36,207 --> 00:38:38,247
Speaker 2: going to put some of my cabbage seedlings that I've

824
00:38:38,247 --> 00:38:41,887
Speaker 2: been like lovingly bloody bringing up from nothing in there,

825
00:38:42,447 --> 00:38:44,447
Speaker 2: going to put some in. Put my cage in. That

826
00:38:44,567 --> 00:38:48,087
Speaker 2: rat doesn't stand a chance. Next morning, seedling's gone. Rat

827
00:38:48,487 --> 00:38:51,887
Speaker 2: night one looked at my cage and went, how did

828
00:38:51,927 --> 00:38:52,447
Speaker 2: it get in?

829
00:38:52,807 --> 00:38:55,487
Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't obvious, probably buried underneath.

830
00:38:55,527 --> 00:38:57,687
Speaker 2: It's either bred underneath it, or I'd left a gap

831
00:38:57,807 --> 00:38:59,287
Speaker 2: or what lots of people said. Because I put it

832
00:38:59,327 --> 00:39:01,247
Speaker 2: on my socials, the holes and the chicken wire too,

833
00:39:01,927 --> 00:39:04,567
Speaker 2: I understand how the Olympians feel when you try really

834
00:39:04,567 --> 00:39:08,087
Speaker 2: hard at something. And yeah, anyway, that was my worst.

835
00:39:08,127 --> 00:39:12,807
Speaker 2: My best was right on Sunday. I'm taking Billy somewhere

836
00:39:12,847 --> 00:39:15,647
Speaker 2: and we're driving down a country road near our house,

837
00:39:15,687 --> 00:39:17,687
Speaker 2: and I mean, we've got the car that I drive

838
00:39:17,727 --> 00:39:20,247
Speaker 2: all the time, and then we've got a really really

839
00:39:20,247 --> 00:39:22,127
Speaker 2: crappy car. Still haven't brought a new car here. I'm

840
00:39:22,127 --> 00:39:25,647
Speaker 2: still doing a really crappy little car. I was driving

841
00:39:25,687 --> 00:39:27,967
Speaker 2: that and I'm on this road and this guy behind

842
00:39:28,007 --> 00:39:30,487
Speaker 2: me keeps trying to drive really close to me, and

843
00:39:30,527 --> 00:39:32,327
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's wrong with that guy? I'm saying to Billy,

844
00:39:32,367 --> 00:39:33,927
Speaker 2: what's wrong with that guy? And then I'm like, God,

845
00:39:33,967 --> 00:39:36,367
Speaker 2: the car feels funny, and what's that funny noise and whatever?

846
00:39:36,487 --> 00:39:39,047
Speaker 2: And then he starts flashing his lights and I'm like, oh,

847
00:39:39,087 --> 00:39:40,927
Speaker 2: and when he comes alongside me and he goes, look

848
00:39:40,927 --> 00:39:43,327
Speaker 2: at your tire, and so I pull over to the

849
00:39:43,327 --> 00:39:45,407
Speaker 2: side of the road and I get out and one

850
00:39:45,407 --> 00:39:48,367
Speaker 2: of my tires is completely shredded, like not just flat,

851
00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:51,127
Speaker 2: but like shredded. I'm driving on the rim like it's bad.

852
00:39:51,807 --> 00:39:53,207
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this about me, but

853
00:39:53,247 --> 00:39:54,007
Speaker 2: I'm the face of.

854
00:39:55,487 --> 00:39:56,167
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've known that.

855
00:39:56,327 --> 00:39:57,847
Speaker 1: I was going to say, can't you just like open

856
00:39:57,887 --> 00:40:02,007
Speaker 1: the window and go bub Jane and don't tires drop

857
00:40:02,087 --> 00:40:03,327
Speaker 1: from the sky magically.

858
00:40:03,487 --> 00:40:05,927
Speaker 2: So one of the really fun jobs I've been doing

859
00:40:05,927 --> 00:40:08,607
Speaker 2: this year is doing this content work with Bob jen TM.

860
00:40:08,647 --> 00:40:10,447
Speaker 2: It's about tire and it's been great. And one of

861
00:40:10,487 --> 00:40:12,887
Speaker 2: the things that I learned was how to change a

862
00:40:12,927 --> 00:40:16,887
Speaker 2: flat tire. So this guy who pulls me over, he goes,

863
00:40:17,647 --> 00:40:19,647
Speaker 2: do you want me to help you? And I was

864
00:40:19,807 --> 00:40:23,327
Speaker 2: confident and I said, no, I am going to change

865
00:40:23,367 --> 00:40:25,647
Speaker 2: this tire myself because I know how. And I got

866
00:40:25,687 --> 00:40:29,167
Speaker 2: my phone out and I Google and my video of

867
00:40:29,247 --> 00:40:33,807
Speaker 2: me changing the tire, and I reckon, I can teach

868
00:40:33,887 --> 00:40:35,607
Speaker 2: myself how to change this time.

869
00:40:36,607 --> 00:40:38,447
Speaker 1: I'm watching myself change this tire.

870
00:40:39,807 --> 00:40:43,007
Speaker 2: Anyway, it turns out that yes, I can change a

871
00:40:43,127 --> 00:40:45,807
Speaker 2: tire like cousin, I know how to do it. The

872
00:40:46,087 --> 00:40:48,607
Speaker 2: video and Bob is really good. This isn't at for them,

873
00:40:48,607 --> 00:40:51,007
Speaker 2: by the way, but it's still really hard.

874
00:40:51,167 --> 00:40:54,247
Speaker 3: It's really like thet.

875
00:40:53,567 --> 00:40:56,727
Speaker 2: Is the nuts on the tire are really hard to undo,

876
00:40:57,367 --> 00:40:58,887
Speaker 2: and so you kind of have to stand on the

877
00:40:58,887 --> 00:41:01,487
Speaker 2: spaniard And so there I am. But Billy is with me, and.

878
00:41:01,407 --> 00:41:04,247
Speaker 3: He's just like what, I love Billy, But do I

879
00:41:04,247 --> 00:41:05,247
Speaker 3: think he'd be particularly?

880
00:41:05,247 --> 00:41:08,807
Speaker 2: He is not useful. All he wants to know is

881
00:41:08,847 --> 00:41:10,327
Speaker 2: are we going to get to the shops or not.

882
00:41:10,367 --> 00:41:12,527
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna buy me some Pokemon cards today.

883
00:41:12,567 --> 00:41:16,527
Speaker 2: This is really inconvenience and I'm trying to stand on

884
00:41:16,527 --> 00:41:19,967
Speaker 2: this spanner thing to loosen anyway. Because of where I live,

885
00:41:20,047 --> 00:41:24,567
Speaker 2: probably like three different guys in big utes pulled over

886
00:41:24,727 --> 00:41:29,607
Speaker 2: and said variations of Dahl Dahl do you want me

887
00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:32,447
Speaker 2: to do that? I let one go by, people love,

888
00:41:32,527 --> 00:41:34,687
Speaker 2: I let another one go by. I'm like, no, I've

889
00:41:34,727 --> 00:41:37,087
Speaker 2: got it. And then the third guy comes and I

890
00:41:37,127 --> 00:41:37,527
Speaker 2: was like.

891
00:41:37,767 --> 00:41:41,167
Speaker 3: Please, god, tire, I've got a video to help.

892
00:41:41,247 --> 00:41:44,607
Speaker 2: He did it in three minutes, like just unbelievably quick.

893
00:41:44,767 --> 00:41:48,807
Speaker 2: Jack bang spanner bang tire on bang, Thanks very much,

894
00:41:48,847 --> 00:41:52,247
Speaker 2: Off he went, and I was like, look, feminism, right,

895
00:41:52,407 --> 00:41:55,207
Speaker 2: I know how to change a tire now thanks to

896
00:41:55,287 --> 00:41:57,727
Speaker 2: my you know the work I've done. But do I

897
00:41:57,847 --> 00:42:00,447
Speaker 2: want to when it would take me a really long

898
00:42:00,487 --> 00:42:03,007
Speaker 2: time because I'm not very strong with these nuts. Or

899
00:42:03,007 --> 00:42:06,287
Speaker 2: would I like this man to do it for me? Yes?

900
00:42:06,367 --> 00:42:08,527
Speaker 2: I would. My best of the week is that that

901
00:42:08,687 --> 00:42:11,407
Speaker 2: man stopped helped change my tire in three minutes, and

902
00:42:11,447 --> 00:42:13,327
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm so grateful, thank you so much.

903
00:42:13,367 --> 00:42:14,087
Speaker 3: Can I do anything for you?

904
00:42:14,167 --> 00:42:15,327
Speaker 2: And he just looked at me like I was nuts,

905
00:42:15,367 --> 00:42:17,007
Speaker 2: because he was like, of course you would change a

906
00:42:17,047 --> 00:42:18,887
Speaker 2: tire for someone by the side of the road. And

907
00:42:18,927 --> 00:42:20,407
Speaker 2: I shook his hand and he drove away.

908
00:42:20,687 --> 00:42:22,007
Speaker 3: I'm interested in the etiquette of that.

909
00:42:22,087 --> 00:42:22,927
Speaker 1: Right. People are good.

910
00:42:22,967 --> 00:42:24,967
Speaker 3: I've had that situation where someone's helped me and I've

911
00:42:25,007 --> 00:42:26,807
Speaker 3: been like I almost want to give you money or something,

912
00:42:26,847 --> 00:42:27,527
Speaker 3: but that.

913
00:42:27,487 --> 00:42:29,887
Speaker 2: Would be insulting. Yeah, I thought that about this guy.

914
00:42:29,887 --> 00:42:31,527
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I should buy him like that

915
00:42:31,607 --> 00:42:34,527
Speaker 2: wasn't there a shop, but I should take my child.

916
00:42:34,727 --> 00:42:36,447
Speaker 2: He wasn't even the kind of guy that like you

917
00:42:36,447 --> 00:42:38,607
Speaker 2: would get his number like it just did all felt wrong,

918
00:42:38,647 --> 00:42:40,847
Speaker 2: So you were just like, very thank you. I shook

919
00:42:40,887 --> 00:42:42,327
Speaker 2: his hand. I said that was your good deed for

920
00:42:42,367 --> 00:42:45,367
Speaker 2: the day. And he laughed at me. And then that was, oh,

921
00:42:45,407 --> 00:42:46,527
Speaker 2: my worst of the week.

922
00:42:46,767 --> 00:42:48,887
Speaker 1: I feel like I've done this is my worst before,

923
00:42:48,967 --> 00:42:52,327
Speaker 1: but here we are again. I have a cough out louders.

924
00:42:52,527 --> 00:42:55,527
Speaker 1: It's why I was recording remotely on Monday, because I

925
00:42:55,527 --> 00:42:57,247
Speaker 1: was coughing. I didn't want to cough for my friends.

926
00:42:57,567 --> 00:42:59,927
Speaker 3: Everyone in the world is sick, everyone.

927
00:42:59,647 --> 00:43:01,687
Speaker 1: Is, and I was sick. I was one of them,

928
00:43:01,727 --> 00:43:05,407
Speaker 1: and I was coughing, and that's annoying because it's like cough, cough, cough.

929
00:43:06,447 --> 00:43:10,007
Speaker 1: And then also we I was at my parents for

930
00:43:10,047 --> 00:43:13,367
Speaker 1: dinner on the weekend and I just suddenly had like,

931
00:43:13,367 --> 00:43:15,447
Speaker 1: because if I get a little catch in my throat,

932
00:43:15,807 --> 00:43:18,607
Speaker 1: it will be like an attack of coughing. I've worked

933
00:43:18,607 --> 00:43:21,527
Speaker 1: out if I'm sitting down that supports my pelvic floor shots, okay,

934
00:43:21,567 --> 00:43:25,367
Speaker 1: but if I'm lying down or standing up, bad things happen.

935
00:43:25,487 --> 00:43:27,567
Speaker 1: Have you got I weed my pants so bad I

936
00:43:27,607 --> 00:43:29,087
Speaker 1: had to go home like a.

937
00:43:29,167 --> 00:43:32,607
Speaker 3: Shot kindergarten who said home, didn't you bring the bear underpants?

938
00:43:32,607 --> 00:43:34,887
Speaker 1: And I was wearing some new jeans that I got

939
00:43:34,887 --> 00:43:36,647
Speaker 1: from Cotton and I really liked them. They were like

940
00:43:36,767 --> 00:43:39,087
Speaker 1: leopard print jeans, and I weed in them. And the

941
00:43:39,207 --> 00:43:42,327
Speaker 1: bad tried. It's very hardest, but I didn't have like

942
00:43:42,367 --> 00:43:45,127
Speaker 1: a very major I just had like a liner. It

943
00:43:45,247 --> 00:43:46,967
Speaker 1: didn't understand you going.

944
00:43:46,767 --> 00:43:48,007
Speaker 3: To the pelvic floor physio.

945
00:43:48,287 --> 00:43:49,287
Speaker 1: Can you give me the number?

946
00:43:49,327 --> 00:43:50,727
Speaker 3: I've only sent it to you eleven times?

947
00:43:51,687 --> 00:43:54,207
Speaker 1: Will can you again to me? Because I really need

948
00:43:54,207 --> 00:43:55,007
Speaker 1: to sort that out.

949
00:43:55,127 --> 00:43:57,527
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to buy those jeans. I

950
00:43:57,567 --> 00:43:59,207
Speaker 2: saw them in the shop and I was like.

951
00:43:59,287 --> 00:43:59,807
Speaker 1: I bought them.

952
00:43:59,927 --> 00:44:01,287
Speaker 2: Maya will be wearing those jeans?

953
00:44:01,287 --> 00:44:02,967
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't see them in the shop, but

954
00:44:03,047 --> 00:44:05,247
Speaker 1: I saw someone at Mamea wearing them and I'm like,

955
00:44:05,247 --> 00:44:06,807
Speaker 1: what are they? And she said cotton and on sal

956
00:44:06,847 --> 00:44:08,767
Speaker 1: this supercomfey and they come in like one hundred dollars

957
00:44:08,807 --> 00:44:10,967
Speaker 1: and I just got the red sixty nine dollars. This

958
00:44:11,007 --> 00:44:13,287
Speaker 1: isn't a recommendation, but anyway, I weed in them. But

959
00:44:13,327 --> 00:44:13,887
Speaker 1: they're clean.

960
00:44:13,967 --> 00:44:14,967
Speaker 3: Now that's good.

961
00:44:15,927 --> 00:44:19,647
Speaker 1: My best is all my girls are back. So my

962
00:44:19,807 --> 00:44:23,847
Speaker 1: daughter has been away for six weeks in Europe, traveling

963
00:44:23,847 --> 00:44:27,007
Speaker 1: by herself. We sent our dogs away for four weeks

964
00:44:27,247 --> 00:44:31,807
Speaker 1: to holiday from them, my two girl dogs, and they

965
00:44:31,887 --> 00:44:35,487
Speaker 1: all came back on Friday, and also my daughter's girlfriend

966
00:44:35,487 --> 00:44:37,287
Speaker 1: came back as well, and so she'd been away for

967
00:44:37,327 --> 00:44:39,647
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. So suddenly, having been in the

968
00:44:39,687 --> 00:44:44,367
Speaker 1: house with Jace and Remy and sometimes Luca would pop over.

969
00:44:44,687 --> 00:44:47,647
Speaker 1: Haven't seen you much, Jesse, all the estrogen and the

970
00:44:47,767 --> 00:44:51,887
Speaker 1: chaos flooded back into the house in the span of

971
00:44:51,927 --> 00:44:56,007
Speaker 1: about six hours, and it was just delightful. And also

972
00:44:56,087 --> 00:44:57,967
Speaker 1: it's like a little piece of my heart has been

973
00:44:58,607 --> 00:45:00,647
Speaker 1: over in Europe, and you know that thing of she's

974
00:45:00,687 --> 00:45:03,247
Speaker 1: been traveling by herself. She's only eighteen, So every morning,

975
00:45:03,487 --> 00:45:05,127
Speaker 1: like I'd slept with my phone on every night, and

976
00:45:05,127 --> 00:45:07,087
Speaker 1: every morning I'd quickly check and I'd look on the

977
00:45:07,647 --> 00:45:09,807
Speaker 1: family three sixty yup to see where she was. And

978
00:45:10,447 --> 00:45:12,127
Speaker 1: you know, she was in countries I'd never been to,

979
00:45:12,287 --> 00:45:15,047
Speaker 1: staying in hostels and stuff, and I was so excited

980
00:45:15,047 --> 00:45:16,647
Speaker 1: for her to have this adventure. But it was like

981
00:45:16,687 --> 00:45:19,567
Speaker 1: a part of my heart was there. And so she

982
00:45:19,727 --> 00:45:22,127
Speaker 1: came back and it was just lovely.

983
00:45:22,367 --> 00:45:22,767
Speaker 3: I love that.

984
00:45:22,807 --> 00:45:25,567
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, a dog related question? They

985
00:45:25,927 --> 00:45:27,807
Speaker 2: mad with you for sending them away for four weeks.

986
00:45:27,847 --> 00:45:29,967
Speaker 2: They're happy to be home. What's the vibe?

987
00:45:30,047 --> 00:45:33,407
Speaker 1: Short memories? Dogs live in the moment, so they don't

988
00:45:33,447 --> 00:45:38,607
Speaker 1: tend to carry resentment. They're just like, hi, so good

989
00:45:38,647 --> 00:45:39,127
Speaker 1: to see you.

990
00:45:39,207 --> 00:45:40,047
Speaker 2: For five minutes.

991
00:45:40,047 --> 00:45:42,807
Speaker 1: It was funny. Is Bella, who's like my dog. She

992
00:45:42,927 --> 00:45:45,087
Speaker 1: got in the car and she just needed to look

993
00:45:45,327 --> 00:45:46,247
Speaker 1: deeply into my.

994
00:45:46,247 --> 00:45:48,407
Speaker 3: Eyes for communicate a few things.

995
00:45:48,487 --> 00:45:50,607
Speaker 1: She just needed to be like because I've not been

996
00:45:50,607 --> 00:45:52,127
Speaker 1: apart from her for that long before, and she's like,

997
00:45:52,207 --> 00:45:55,167
Speaker 1: I thought I'd never see you again. This is a

998
00:45:55,487 --> 00:45:56,567
Speaker 1: truly great day.

999
00:45:58,567 --> 00:46:03,327
Speaker 3: My worst is I went to the doctor about these

1000
00:46:03,367 --> 00:46:05,447
Speaker 3: weird stomach cramps I've been getting and I had to

1001
00:46:05,447 --> 00:46:07,847
Speaker 3: get bloods right, anyway, a few things showed up and

1002
00:46:08,087 --> 00:46:10,287
Speaker 3: like gonna get that sort of. But one of the

1003
00:46:10,287 --> 00:46:12,487
Speaker 3: weird things was when I went back to the doctor,

1004
00:46:12,527 --> 00:46:13,967
Speaker 3: it wasn't the doctor who'd done the test at this

1005
00:46:14,087 --> 00:46:16,487
Speaker 3: different one and he was looking at it and he went,

1006
00:46:16,807 --> 00:46:19,287
Speaker 3: this has been flagged. This is really weird. But your

1007
00:46:19,327 --> 00:46:22,527
Speaker 3: blood sugar levels are really quite elevated. And I was like,

1008
00:46:22,607 --> 00:46:26,367
Speaker 3: oh no, that sounds bad, and he said, yeah, we're

1009
00:46:26,367 --> 00:46:27,567
Speaker 3: going to have to like every time you get a

1010
00:46:27,607 --> 00:46:29,807
Speaker 3: blood test, we're going to have to keep this in check.

1011
00:46:29,847 --> 00:46:31,927
Speaker 3: And then he said, do you have a history of

1012
00:46:32,127 --> 00:46:35,287
Speaker 3: family history of diabetes? Then started talking to me about

1013
00:46:35,327 --> 00:46:37,327
Speaker 3: like you've got to be exercising, You've got to be

1014
00:46:37,407 --> 00:46:39,807
Speaker 3: eating meals and not cake. And I was like, I

1015
00:46:39,887 --> 00:46:41,607
Speaker 3: mean I eat meals and like, I don't eat that

1016
00:46:41,687 --> 00:46:47,407
Speaker 3: much cake. I was so anxious about this reading and

1017
00:46:47,447 --> 00:46:49,167
Speaker 3: I left going, oh my god, am I like am

1018
00:46:49,207 --> 00:46:51,767
Speaker 3: I pre diabetic? Like I'm thirty three. I'm like I

1019
00:46:51,807 --> 00:46:55,287
Speaker 3: thought I was exercising and eating okay, Like if these

1020
00:46:55,327 --> 00:46:59,247
Speaker 3: lifestyle habits have caused this, then like, oh, I guess

1021
00:46:59,287 --> 00:47:01,847
Speaker 3: I have chocolate. I do have chocolate every day for dessert.

1022
00:47:02,047 --> 00:47:04,807
Speaker 3: That must be it. And so I was so anxious

1023
00:47:04,927 --> 00:47:07,847
Speaker 3: and got home and were sitting there spiraling a bit,

1024
00:47:08,487 --> 00:47:10,407
Speaker 3: and then I googled because he gave me the level

1025
00:47:10,447 --> 00:47:12,167
Speaker 3: and I was like, I should check how bad this is.

1026
00:47:12,567 --> 00:47:14,527
Speaker 3: And I put the level in and it said, yeah,

1027
00:47:14,567 --> 00:47:17,087
Speaker 3: that's elevated for a fasting blood test. And I was like,

1028
00:47:17,727 --> 00:47:19,487
Speaker 3: I didn't do a fasting blood test. I did a

1029
00:47:19,527 --> 00:47:21,807
Speaker 3: non fasting blood test after I had a diet cod

1030
00:47:21,967 --> 00:47:24,927
Speaker 3: because I was at the check because I was specifically

1031
00:47:24,927 --> 00:47:26,847
Speaker 3: told it was non fasting. I did my test at

1032
00:47:26,847 --> 00:47:29,967
Speaker 3: four pm. I've had multiple meals, I'd had one hundred coffees.

1033
00:47:30,247 --> 00:47:32,767
Speaker 3: I was like, my blood sugar when I looked at

1034
00:47:32,767 --> 00:47:36,127
Speaker 3: it was actually in the completely normal range. So I

1035
00:47:36,167 --> 00:47:39,087
Speaker 3: went from thinking I had high blood sugars to having

1036
00:47:39,087 --> 00:47:42,007
Speaker 3: normal ones. I came home and I was so stoked

1037
00:47:42,047 --> 00:47:44,647
Speaker 3: because me, you'd sent home dessert and I was liked

1038
00:47:45,007 --> 00:47:48,527
Speaker 3: free dessert. But also to the outlanders who like do

1039
00:47:48,807 --> 00:47:53,527
Speaker 3: have high bloodsh that is a scary bloody thing. Lifestyle changes.

1040
00:47:53,607 --> 00:47:56,607
Speaker 3: Don't feel like making them. But anyway, I was very relieved.

1041
00:47:56,607 --> 00:47:57,487
Speaker 3: So that was my worst.

1042
00:47:57,647 --> 00:47:59,847
Speaker 1: Also that you've got to do the test again, I assume.

1043
00:47:59,687 --> 00:48:01,327
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think I do, because now it's just

1044
00:48:01,407 --> 00:48:03,687
Speaker 3: marked as non fasting and they're like, oh, your levels

1045
00:48:03,687 --> 00:48:08,607
Speaker 3: were actually completely normal. My best has been watching the

1046
00:48:08,647 --> 00:48:12,767
Speaker 3: Olympics off. But my best within that has been the

1047
00:48:12,807 --> 00:48:15,727
Speaker 3: conversations I've had with Luca while watching the Olympics, because

1048
00:48:15,727 --> 00:48:20,527
Speaker 3: he watches it with me, and men are so delusional.

1049
00:48:20,927 --> 00:48:24,247
Speaker 3: You're never reminded of this so much as during the Olympics.

1050
00:48:24,567 --> 00:48:28,247
Speaker 3: We'll watching the fifteen hundred meters heats this week and

1051
00:48:28,567 --> 00:48:30,247
Speaker 3: I turned to Luca and I was half joking, and

1052
00:48:30,287 --> 00:48:31,487
Speaker 3: I said, do you reckon? He could dive in a

1053
00:48:31,487 --> 00:48:33,207
Speaker 3: pool and do fifteen hundred meters And he was like,

1054
00:48:33,927 --> 00:48:36,047
Speaker 3: of course I could. Of course I could do fifteen

1055
00:48:36,127 --> 00:48:36,687
Speaker 3: hundred meters.

1056
00:48:36,687 --> 00:48:38,087
Speaker 1: I was like, it's ten laps of fifteen me.

1057
00:48:38,727 --> 00:48:40,567
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Maya, it's not ten laps.

1058
00:48:40,727 --> 00:48:42,807
Speaker 1: It's way more math, thirty laps.

1059
00:48:43,007 --> 00:48:46,687
Speaker 3: It's sorry at lap, but you're.

1060
00:48:46,647 --> 00:48:49,007
Speaker 1: Laughing at me, but you're laughing with me. It's swimming laps.

1061
00:48:49,007 --> 00:48:50,447
Speaker 1: It's swimming lass, swimming math.

1062
00:48:50,607 --> 00:48:52,887
Speaker 3: Seven eight years i've been with him, never has he

1063
00:48:52,927 --> 00:48:54,487
Speaker 3: done a lap in a swimming pool. I was like,

1064
00:48:54,527 --> 00:48:57,407
Speaker 3: there is no evidence, no data to suggest you can

1065
00:48:57,407 --> 00:49:00,447
Speaker 3: swim one hundred meters. I said to him, three hundred meters.

1066
00:49:00,767 --> 00:49:03,007
Speaker 3: You need to take a break and a breath. And

1067
00:49:03,047 --> 00:49:05,527
Speaker 3: then we had a friend come over who was like, yeah,

1068
00:49:05,567 --> 00:49:07,567
Speaker 3: I could do fifteen hundred meters. His girlfriend walked in.

1069
00:49:07,687 --> 00:49:09,847
Speaker 3: I go, could you do fifteen hundred She goes, now,

1070
00:49:09,847 --> 00:49:11,247
Speaker 3: I'd need to break up to three hundred meters. I

1071
00:49:11,287 --> 00:49:13,847
Speaker 3: was like, that's exactly what I said. That is the truth.

1072
00:49:13,967 --> 00:49:17,567
Speaker 3: Then we're watching the Latin The average person can't jump

1073
00:49:17,607 --> 00:49:19,527
Speaker 3: in a pool and do fifteen hundred meters. Then we're

1074
00:49:19,567 --> 00:49:21,687
Speaker 3: watching the Latvian badminton.

1075
00:49:21,727 --> 00:49:26,727
Speaker 2: And Latvian are deep, they are deep.

1076
00:49:25,967 --> 00:49:28,527
Speaker 3: And we're sitting there watching it and Luca said, with

1077
00:49:28,567 --> 00:49:31,127
Speaker 3: absolute confidence, give me three months and I could be

1078
00:49:31,327 --> 00:49:33,367
Speaker 3: the best bad minton player in La fear.

1079
00:49:34,487 --> 00:49:38,167
Speaker 2: I said, you don't know the rules, strange family.

1080
00:49:40,807 --> 00:49:43,567
Speaker 3: He was like, it's a smallish country. I was like,

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Speaker 3: you don't know the rules. He said, that would take

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Speaker 3: me half a day. I could be the best player.

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Speaker 2: Men.

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Speaker 3: Watching the Olympics is so toxic that I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: this is why the world is as it is.

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Speaker 1: Well. He also said a different challenge, which was if

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Speaker 1: you had to pick a sport that you had to

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Speaker 1: do at the Olympics and not come last, what would

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Speaker 1: it be? And so every night I watched and so

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, maybe skateboarding if I could sit

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Speaker 1: on the skate if I had a handle. And then

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Speaker 1: my husband's like, that sounds like a car. Then I

1093
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Speaker 1: was now I'm just being silly, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: think synchronized diving with Jesse, Oh, I'd love to see that.

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Speaker 3: I have a sense that i'd actually been quite good

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Speaker 3: at archery. Think i'd be I think i'd be good

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Speaker 3: at archery.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: Is there a walking even the walking away there and

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Speaker 1: they've got rules and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Can't do any of it. I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 2: think I can pick up the shot put.

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Speaker 3: See, women are really good at knowing their limits. Whereas

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Speaker 3: men watch like women's football and they're like, well it

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Speaker 3: could beat that team.

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Speaker 1: I've actually hadn't been thinking. I couldn't have even sat

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Speaker 1: in real life or on the couch through the opening ceremony.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't sit on the couch. That is how useless

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Does parenting need a rebrand? Are working women not selling

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Speaker 3: the idea of parenting very well?

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Speaker 1: Apparently not?

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Speaker 3: Apparently not. You might have seen there was data last

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Speaker 3: week about the baby recession, and Emily Vannam joined Holly

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Speaker 3: and I on Out Loud this week. She's she is

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Speaker 3: to talk about why women are deciding not to have babies.

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Speaker 3: A link to that episode will be in the show

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Speaker 3: notes because.

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Speaker 1: We discover that a lot of people at Mamma and

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Speaker 1: Me are saying they think maybe they don't want to

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Speaker 1: have children. Yeah, and a lot of the young women

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Speaker 1: and your data.

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Speaker 2: That is all we've got time for today and this

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Speaker 2: week out Loud as We hope you have enjoyed being

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Speaker 2: on the podium with us this week. A massive thank

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Speaker 2: you to all of you and to our amazing team

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Speaker 2: Emmeline Gazilla's audio production from Leah Porge's We will be

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Speaker 2: back in your ears next week. Until then, try and

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Speaker 2: find the sport you like on the Olympics. Tell us

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Speaker 2: where it is. Jesse is watching the Latvian bad Mutter.

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Speaker 2: Something needs to change.

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Speaker 3: Bye Bye. Shout out to any Mum and mea subscribers listening.

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Speaker 3: If you love the show and you want to support us,

1134
00:51:59,567 --> 00:52:02,447
Speaker 3: subscribing to Momma Mia is the very best way to

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Speaker 3: do so. There's a link in the episode description.