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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. Out loud. It's what women are actually talking

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Speaker 2: about on Friday, the fifth of September. I'm Holly Wayne Wright,

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Speaker 2: and I'm remembering that we used to always say to

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Speaker 2: our out louders on a Friday, this is your place

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Speaker 2: on Friday for a bit of relaxation.

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Speaker 1: I love it, a.

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Speaker 2: Break from anything newsy. This is just a place where

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Speaker 2: we do a bit of thinky, a bit of piss takery,

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Speaker 2: bit of fun, a bit of yep recos for your weekend.

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Speaker 2: So welcome, relax.

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Speaker 1: You're wearing a cobalt blue shirt, which is the perfect vibe.

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Speaker 1: And I am Jesse Stevens and.

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Speaker 2: On today's show, this is what made our agenda. First,

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Speaker 2: the Google doc that will instantly divide everyone listening into

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Speaker 2: two types of.

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Speaker 1: People, plus our love hate relationship with rich people's.

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Speaker 3: And your weekly recommendations including a brilliant Netflix drama, a

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Speaker 3: strange fitness fad, and something very fancy for your face.

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Speaker 3: But first, in case you missed it, headphones are making

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Speaker 3: your anxiety worse. How so, specially your noise canceling ones.

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Speaker 3: Do either of you use noise canceling headphones?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you can pry my air pods playing pink noise

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Speaker 3: Really okay? So, according to a piece by a woman

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Speaker 3: of evidence to suggest that noise canceling headphones are causing

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Speaker 3: hearing problems in young people. But also the reliance on

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Speaker 3: them is creeping, and she's saying that this is not

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Speaker 3: a good thing. So first you use them on the train,

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Speaker 3: and then maybe you're at work, you're trying to concentrate,

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Speaker 3: you put on your pink noise whatever it is, and

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Speaker 3: eventually you've got them in because the hum of the

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Speaker 3: refrigerator is irritating you. Important caveat as well for people

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Speaker 3: obvious exception, right, for a long time people have needed

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Speaker 3: doing more harm than good. So audiology departments are reporting

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Speaker 3: that more and more young people are coming in to

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Speaker 3: they say it's not an issue with your hearing, but

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Speaker 3: with your listening, so the part of your brains.

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Speaker 2: All children have that problem, the listening problem. It's just

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, apparently the headphones are making it worse. So

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Speaker 3: it's the processing of the sound. They're not doing it

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Speaker 3: the barking dog is a skill that strengthens with practice,

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Speaker 3: which we have evolved to be able to do. And

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Speaker 3: if you start to control for all of that, then

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Speaker 3: The suggestion is that we go back to wide headphones,

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Speaker 2: What do we think. I've got those air pods that

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Speaker 2: cancel surround sound, and I coveted them for ages. I

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Speaker 2: and I was like, that's what I need, and I

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Speaker 2: bought them as a treat. Because they're expensive. I'm in

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Speaker 2: does resonate because prosecco problems, it's like you put them

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Speaker 2: you come up to me and you're like, Holly, I

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Speaker 3: I find them very claustrophobic. I don't like the feeling.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to think about how the ubiquity

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Speaker 1: by the Pedro Pascal where he's walking through a busy

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Speaker 1: setting aside the dreaminess of Pedro Pascal, what you saw

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Speaker 2: No one can sell me the end of the world

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Speaker 3: I hate as well that I have friends who are

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Speaker 3: which I semi get. But it's also like, at what

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Speaker 3: point is our house being robbed and we don't know?

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Speaker 3: At what point has a plane crashed in our backyard

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Speaker 2: They're not that good.

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Speaker 1: I need to mention ear Wax look it's Friday. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I often think about the compacting of earwax that is

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Speaker 1: happening when we jam those air pods into our areas. Now,

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Speaker 3: No, that's a really good question.

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Speaker 3: No, But I wonder if constant wearing is not good right,

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Speaker 1: And some people, such as maybe me, go to sleep

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Speaker 3: I know. I would like a doctor to please tell

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Speaker 3: us if we should be worried about that, if that's

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Speaker 1: I will say that Jennifer Aniston was recently photographed with

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Speaker 2: It, if only she was aspirational to the young people.

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Speaker 2: Because the kids nag parents for air pods, right, you know, teenagers,

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Speaker 3: I've had wireless ones stolen off a pram, and I

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Speaker 1: I want to track a single left air bud as

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Speaker 2: Having a little adventure without you. Sit with me, friends,

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Speaker 2: while we get very real about something. Approximately half you

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Speaker 2: are going to find this very useful. What we're about

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Speaker 2: will immediately start at Google doc when we stop talking today.

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Speaker 2: The other half will throw their phone in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: That's me, Yeah, here we go. Let me tell you

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Speaker 2: why it's about death. I know it's Friday. I know

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Speaker 2: we promised you fun, but I promise you This is

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Speaker 2: very interesting and it may change your life. It starts

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Speaker 2: with the newsletter, right. This newsletter was titled the Most

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Speaker 2: Loving Thing You Can Do, and it's by Elie Lernon.

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Speaker 2: Now she writes this newsletter called Pulling the Thread. She

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Speaker 2: used to work for Goop, and I subscribe to this

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Speaker 3: About Okay, you're a prescribe for the Gossip and you

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Speaker 3: got death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because here we are. NDA's Alasia ain't never gonna

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Speaker 2: tell us what really went down at Goop. But she's

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Speaker 2: no filter. She's like, she's a really interesting woman. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: As I say, this newsletter was called the most Loving

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Speaker 2: Thing You can Do. She writes that eight years ago

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Speaker 2: and she says, every year, to honor Pete's passing, I

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Speaker 2: do a little bit of personal housekeeping that might strike

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Speaker 2: In August, every year, I go through a document that

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Speaker 2: update any critical information in the event I might unexpectedly die. Now,

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Speaker 2: This is the two types of people argument, Amelia. How

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Speaker 1: Alone one about death?

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. She talks about how the practicalities

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Speaker 2: And also it's really hard to uncover and excavate, she writes.

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Speaker 2: You want the people you love to be able to

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Speaker 2: have bank accounts. Most importantly, you want to give your

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Speaker 2: Mortgage details, other debts, life insurance, home insurance, car insurance,

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Speaker 2: like my body to be buried or cremated, yes, snow,

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Speaker 2: basically your wishes. Put it all in one document that

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Speaker 2: the people closest to you you know exactly where it is.

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Speaker 2: And she says, this is the most loving thing you

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Speaker 3: personal relationship details to someone when she accidentally sent the

434
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Speaker 3: screenshot to me instead. I don't think she has figured

435
00:20:25,422 --> 00:20:27,701
Speaker 3: out what she's done yet. I trusted her with some

436
00:20:27,742 --> 00:20:30,982
Speaker 3: really private information that I'd never told anyone, and now

437
00:20:31,022 --> 00:20:33,022
Speaker 3: I know she was planning to share it all behind

438
00:20:33,022 --> 00:20:36,661
Speaker 3: my back. Should I confront her about that accidental screenshot

439
00:20:36,742 --> 00:20:39,982
Speaker 3: and call her out? Or do I quietly distance myself

440
00:20:40,022 --> 00:20:44,302
Speaker 3: and never confide in her again. I'm angry, I'm hurt.

441
00:20:44,581 --> 00:20:47,142
Speaker 3: The question is what do you do next?

442
00:20:48,262 --> 00:20:52,661
Speaker 1: That's so bad. I'm so sorry. That's such a betrayal

443
00:20:52,782 --> 00:20:56,262
Speaker 1: and it must feel so awful. I think you got

444
00:20:56,302 --> 00:20:58,661
Speaker 1: to call her out for it, for sure, And my

445
00:20:58,782 --> 00:21:01,141
Speaker 1: warning to you is that she's probably going to get defensive.

446
00:21:01,222 --> 00:21:04,381
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to get the heartfelt apology that

447
00:21:04,422 --> 00:21:06,821
Speaker 1: you're hoping for, and there'll probably be some kind of

448
00:21:06,861 --> 00:21:09,741
Speaker 1: excuse made, if not an outright denial. But you have

449
00:21:09,782 --> 00:21:12,502
Speaker 1: to confront her, and then you have to move on.

450
00:21:12,782 --> 00:21:15,581
Speaker 3: And then I think not share details with her anymore.

451
00:21:15,581 --> 00:21:19,262
Speaker 3: She's clearly someone who can't be trusted. The fact she

452
00:21:19,302 --> 00:21:21,741
Speaker 3: hasn't noticed it yet. Oh, it's just also awful. But

453
00:21:22,381 --> 00:21:25,982
Speaker 3: I think you have to say something because I'm trying

454
00:21:26,022 --> 00:21:27,941
Speaker 3: to look at this from another angle, going is there

455
00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:30,861
Speaker 3: another reason she might have screenshot the text? And I

456
00:21:31,302 --> 00:21:32,302
Speaker 3: can't think of one.

457
00:21:32,262 --> 00:21:36,542
Speaker 2: So Pollyanna had on possible excuse? Oh, I was going

458
00:21:36,581 --> 00:21:41,742
Speaker 2: to forward it to a relationship counselor friend of mine

459
00:21:42,262 --> 00:21:45,022
Speaker 2: who would treat it with much discretion but maybe have

460
00:21:45,141 --> 00:21:46,742
Speaker 2: some very useful advice.

461
00:21:47,302 --> 00:21:50,222
Speaker 3: Or it was an accidental screenshot, or I do think

462
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Speaker 3: something I was.

463
00:21:51,141 --> 00:21:52,581
Speaker 2: In a hurry and I didn't see it, but like

464
00:21:52,702 --> 00:21:55,302
Speaker 2: she might have a reason like that. But as you say,

465
00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:57,142
Speaker 2: merely whether or not you're going to believe it.

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Speaker 1: There is one caveat I can think of is if

467
00:22:00,821 --> 00:22:03,702
Speaker 1: she feels her friend is an actual danger, which has

468
00:22:03,782 --> 00:22:06,061
Speaker 1: happened to a friend of mine in the past, maybe

469
00:22:06,101 --> 00:22:09,061
Speaker 1: she's seeking some advice from someone on whether it intervene

470
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Speaker 1: more pro actively.

471
00:22:10,101 --> 00:22:11,941
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, that's actually really true.

472
00:22:12,581 --> 00:22:14,462
Speaker 2: It's true. Not that I want to start like making

473
00:22:14,502 --> 00:22:16,302
Speaker 2: excuses for this person, because it is a terrible thing

474
00:22:16,341 --> 00:22:19,661
Speaker 2: to do, but sometimes being the person who has to

475
00:22:19,742 --> 00:22:23,222
Speaker 2: handle all the heaviness of someone else's really difficult situation

476
00:22:23,381 --> 00:22:25,502
Speaker 2: is hard and you need to share that load. But

477
00:22:26,141 --> 00:22:29,381
Speaker 2: in general, I think it's clear what's happened here. You

478
00:22:29,462 --> 00:22:31,821
Speaker 2: need to work out if you can forgive it at all.

479
00:22:32,061 --> 00:22:34,941
Speaker 2: Out louders, what would you do next? Share your thoughts

480
00:22:34,942 --> 00:22:37,622
Speaker 2: in the Mama Mia outloud Facebook group, and also if

481
00:22:37,661 --> 00:22:39,861
Speaker 2: you have a dilemma. Send it to us at out

482
00:22:39,861 --> 00:22:42,581
Speaker 2: loud at mamamea dot com dot au. We would love

483
00:22:42,702 --> 00:22:43,261
Speaker 2: to help you.

484
00:22:43,861 --> 00:22:46,662
Speaker 1: I want to talk about weddings. We're entering wedding season

485
00:22:46,942 --> 00:22:49,782
Speaker 1: and specifically I want to talk about rich people's weddings,

486
00:22:49,861 --> 00:22:53,581
Speaker 1: happy days, What could be better? There is a rich

487
00:22:53,661 --> 00:22:57,381
Speaker 1: person wedding that we understand happened this past weekend. It

488
00:22:57,581 --> 00:23:01,142
Speaker 1: was an influencer no One as Becca Bloom on TikTok,

489
00:23:01,302 --> 00:23:04,542
Speaker 1: real name Rebecca mar She only joined TikTok in January,

490
00:23:04,661 --> 00:23:08,022
Speaker 1: but she already has four million followers, and the Wall

491
00:23:08,022 --> 00:23:12,101
Speaker 1: Street Journal recently crowned her the Queen of Rich Talk now.

492
00:23:12,141 --> 00:23:16,421
Speaker 1: Becker is very wealthy. The money comes largely from her parents.

493
00:23:16,462 --> 00:23:18,821
Speaker 1: They founded a tech company in China before she was born.

494
00:23:18,901 --> 00:23:21,101
Speaker 1: She grew up in the San Francisco area, and she

495
00:23:21,222 --> 00:23:24,702
Speaker 1: herself is doing very well financially. She sold a tech

496
00:23:24,702 --> 00:23:26,861
Speaker 1: company in high school for about three hundred and fifty

497
00:23:26,901 --> 00:23:30,022
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and she currently works at some kind of

498
00:23:30,061 --> 00:23:33,662
Speaker 1: fintech company. She hasn't said what company that is. She's

499
00:23:33,702 --> 00:23:37,582
Speaker 1: also engaged now married to an executive at Amazon, so

500
00:23:37,661 --> 00:23:40,542
Speaker 1: clearly there's a lot of money floating around there, and

501
00:23:40,581 --> 00:23:43,942
Speaker 1: we are talking a lot of money. So for instance,

502
00:23:44,061 --> 00:23:46,902
Speaker 1: just to give you some ideas, she feeds her cat Cavia.

503
00:23:47,302 --> 00:23:50,342
Speaker 1: The cat prefers actually sushi grade salmon, but will put

504
00:23:50,341 --> 00:23:53,262
Speaker 1: that aside. It doesn't who doesn't. She goes on date

505
00:23:53,341 --> 00:23:56,981
Speaker 1: nights with her fiance, stopping by jewelers to get diamonds.

506
00:23:57,101 --> 00:23:59,981
Speaker 1: He gives her surprise channel boots. They watch White Lotus

507
00:23:59,982 --> 00:24:02,302
Speaker 1: in their private cinema, you know, regular date night stuff.

508
00:24:02,581 --> 00:24:04,701
Speaker 2: So I'd never heard of her, right, Jesse was like,

509
00:24:04,702 --> 00:24:04,941
Speaker 2: oh she.

510
00:24:05,381 --> 00:24:06,341
Speaker 1: Do you love her? Jesse?

511
00:24:06,861 --> 00:24:10,342
Speaker 3: She is all over my feed. She's got a very

512
00:24:10,341 --> 00:24:14,662
Speaker 3: calming voice, and as someone who is revolted by conspicuous

513
00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:17,742
Speaker 3: consumption and could not care less about designer anything, can't

514
00:24:17,742 --> 00:24:20,502
Speaker 3: pronounce any of the things she's talking about. I must

515
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,542
Speaker 3: say there is something quite charismatic about her.

516
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:26,141
Speaker 2: Definitely, But my head fell off because I didn't know

517
00:24:26,262 --> 00:24:28,142
Speaker 2: she was and you directed me to her. And she's

518
00:24:28,182 --> 00:24:30,981
Speaker 2: funny and she's clever and she's very good creator. But

519
00:24:32,182 --> 00:24:34,621
Speaker 2: I was like, I am watching a woman. She was like,

520
00:24:34,942 --> 00:24:37,221
Speaker 2: I think the one I watched she was put my

521
00:24:37,302 --> 00:24:39,701
Speaker 2: jewelry on with me. While I recommend five books you

522
00:24:39,742 --> 00:24:43,742
Speaker 2: should read immediately, and then she's literally piling on millions

523
00:24:43,782 --> 00:24:47,342
Speaker 2: of dollars literal millions of dollars of van kleef Arpel

524
00:24:47,462 --> 00:24:50,222
Speaker 2: and how you say it, yeah, and all this stuff

525
00:24:50,341 --> 00:24:52,462
Speaker 2: while she's telling me to read The Righteous Mind by

526
00:24:52,502 --> 00:24:57,542
Speaker 2: Jonathan Hid And I'm like, what weird third dimension have

527
00:24:57,621 --> 00:24:59,861
Speaker 2: I moved into? Now? And then she's like, as she said,

528
00:25:00,182 --> 00:25:02,542
Speaker 2: I'm feeding my dog. I've got these special plates for them.

529
00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:03,861
Speaker 2: I'm going to play it up while I taught to you.

530
00:25:04,061 --> 00:25:07,101
Speaker 2: And You're like, I didn't know this world existed? Am

531
00:25:07,101 --> 00:25:09,502
Speaker 2: I happy I've stumbled on it? I'm not sure.

532
00:25:09,782 --> 00:25:11,542
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I want to talk about. Because

533
00:25:11,542 --> 00:25:13,262
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel the same way as Jesse.

534
00:25:13,381 --> 00:25:16,381
Speaker 1: They love her, They find her calming. Her wedding is

535
00:25:16,462 --> 00:25:18,701
Speaker 1: going to be insane. We haven't actually seen the photos

536
00:25:18,782 --> 00:25:20,781
Speaker 1: yet because she hasn't posted them, but we believe it

537
00:25:20,821 --> 00:25:24,262
Speaker 1: was on this past weekend at an eighteenth century broker

538
00:25:24,302 --> 00:25:27,462
Speaker 1: state on Lake Como. Was estimated to cost five hundred

539
00:25:27,462 --> 00:25:31,022
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for two hundred guests. But the Internet loves

540
00:25:31,061 --> 00:25:34,341
Speaker 1: her so A sample comment on one of her posts is,

541
00:25:34,422 --> 00:25:36,942
Speaker 1: when I say eat the rich, I would never mean you.

542
00:25:37,422 --> 00:25:40,341
Speaker 2: Beca gets a free pass because she's funny in charm well,

543
00:25:40,422 --> 00:25:41,181
Speaker 2: is that why?

544
00:25:41,302 --> 00:25:43,701
Speaker 1: I have another theory as to why so. I wanted

545
00:25:43,742 --> 00:25:46,941
Speaker 1: to compare the sort of adoration that she gets to

546
00:25:47,022 --> 00:25:50,461
Speaker 1: the reception that Lauren Bezos get out the world's Smallest

547
00:25:50,502 --> 00:25:54,542
Speaker 1: violin got to her nupshaws to Jeff Bezos and Venice recently,

548
00:25:54,621 --> 00:25:57,182
Speaker 1: and I think we can safely say most people were

549
00:25:57,462 --> 00:26:00,221
Speaker 1: ridiculing them, were disgusted by the show of wealth, the

550
00:26:00,262 --> 00:26:02,821
Speaker 1: phone party on the yacht, all of that. I'm just

551
00:26:02,861 --> 00:26:07,142
Speaker 1: more interested in why she gets a pass or influences

552
00:26:07,222 --> 00:26:09,942
Speaker 1: like Beca Bloom get a pass when other rich people's

553
00:26:09,942 --> 00:26:12,101
Speaker 1: weddings are really put under the microscope.

554
00:26:12,502 --> 00:26:18,621
Speaker 3: I reckon that Becka's self awareness, the way she wears

555
00:26:18,661 --> 00:26:20,942
Speaker 3: it and owns it with a bit of a sense

556
00:26:20,982 --> 00:26:25,542
Speaker 3: of humor, is incredibly refreshing for people. What people don't

557
00:26:25,581 --> 00:26:27,821
Speaker 3: like is rich people who pretend they're not really.

558
00:26:27,901 --> 00:26:30,821
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's qualifies Bezos. I don't know.

559
00:26:31,462 --> 00:26:33,662
Speaker 2: No one was being modest to being right.

560
00:26:33,702 --> 00:26:36,462
Speaker 3: There is something about that It felt like it was papped,

561
00:26:36,821 --> 00:26:39,902
Speaker 3: and there were elements of that wedding that we got

562
00:26:39,942 --> 00:26:46,022
Speaker 3: access to. But Becka has this vibe of you're at

563
00:26:46,101 --> 00:26:50,141
Speaker 3: your really rich friend's house who you quite like, even

564
00:26:50,141 --> 00:26:53,341
Speaker 3: though they're really really rich, and they're showing you all

565
00:26:53,381 --> 00:26:56,341
Speaker 3: the jewelry, and you're kind of just they're going, oh

566
00:26:56,341 --> 00:26:57,381
Speaker 3: my goodness, she has.

567
00:26:57,262 --> 00:26:59,421
Speaker 2: A wedding tree. Tell us what a wedding tree is.

568
00:26:59,462 --> 00:27:01,341
Speaker 3: Okay, I'd never heard of a wedding tree. It's sort

569
00:27:01,341 --> 00:27:03,902
Speaker 3: of like a Christmas tree, Holly, And what people do

570
00:27:04,182 --> 00:27:06,421
Speaker 3: is they put all their gifts for your wedding under it.

571
00:27:06,861 --> 00:27:09,222
Speaker 3: Except this isn't like a toaster.

572
00:27:09,061 --> 00:27:12,022
Speaker 2: No, I don't need no toasters.

573
00:27:12,502 --> 00:27:17,341
Speaker 3: Ermez, the hatress, Silence, and also a Chanel bag which

574
00:27:17,341 --> 00:27:20,982
Speaker 3: she does unboxings, which I must be clear, I feel

575
00:27:21,022 --> 00:27:21,742
Speaker 3: physically sick.

576
00:27:21,861 --> 00:27:23,462
Speaker 2: I was watching I do not like it. I was

577
00:27:23,502 --> 00:27:26,061
Speaker 2: watching her do some of those and she opens something

578
00:27:26,422 --> 00:27:28,821
Speaker 2: from Mez or whatever, and it was like, this is

579
00:27:28,861 --> 00:27:32,742
Speaker 2: a wedding present to myself for committing to doing my best.

580
00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:38,701
Speaker 2: She's not even really pretending that she's getting married because

581
00:27:38,702 --> 00:27:41,341
Speaker 2: she wants to marry this guy. It's like, this is

582
00:27:41,381 --> 00:27:43,942
Speaker 2: another scene in my life, and we get a lot

583
00:27:43,942 --> 00:27:46,222
Speaker 2: of presents for it. She must also be getting paid

584
00:27:46,222 --> 00:27:47,821
Speaker 2: by all these jewelry brands, so she's not.

585
00:27:47,861 --> 00:27:50,382
Speaker 3: Vinal No, apparently not. Apparently not.

586
00:27:50,661 --> 00:27:52,742
Speaker 2: She is an ambassador for Van kliefer Pell.

587
00:27:52,942 --> 00:27:57,501
Speaker 1: Anyway back to your point.

588
00:27:55,661 --> 00:27:57,501
Speaker 2: Get back to your point. Can I just on your

589
00:27:57,502 --> 00:28:00,141
Speaker 2: theory though, Can I just say there's very valid reasons

590
00:28:00,141 --> 00:28:03,821
Speaker 2: for disapproving of Bezos. We probably don't know that much

591
00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:05,662
Speaker 2: about where Mars mony.

592
00:28:06,141 --> 00:28:07,141
Speaker 1: Know where she works.

593
00:28:07,222 --> 00:28:09,341
Speaker 2: Yes, So I think that, you know, really a lot

594
00:28:09,381 --> 00:28:11,901
Speaker 2: of the ridicule we have for Bezos and that wedding

595
00:28:11,901 --> 00:28:14,621
Speaker 2: and the showiness of that and the five day extravaganza

596
00:28:14,661 --> 00:28:16,782
Speaker 2: and all the people who went to it is also

597
00:28:16,901 --> 00:28:18,421
Speaker 2: kind of to do with And I'm just going to

598
00:28:18,502 --> 00:28:21,901
Speaker 2: gesture broadly and go the world right now, and we

599
00:28:21,982 --> 00:28:25,341
Speaker 2: can kind of hold the Bezoses of the world who

600
00:28:25,381 --> 00:28:29,102
Speaker 2: are at Donald Trump's inauguration, who are, you know, decimating

601
00:28:29,182 --> 00:28:31,861
Speaker 2: traditional industries around them? We can kind of hold them

602
00:28:31,901 --> 00:28:34,302
Speaker 2: accountable for it, right Whereas Beca Bloom we're just like,

603
00:28:34,661 --> 00:28:37,341
Speaker 2: who knows, Maybe she got all that money by lovely means,

604
00:28:37,341 --> 00:28:39,062
Speaker 2: And I'm really happy for her diamonds.

605
00:28:39,142 --> 00:28:42,022
Speaker 3: So it's interesting that her proximity to Amazon as well,

606
00:28:42,062 --> 00:28:45,342
Speaker 3: the fact that her husband is an Amazon executive kind

607
00:28:45,382 --> 00:28:48,181
Speaker 3: of doesn't seem to taint her image. But when I

608
00:28:48,422 --> 00:28:51,181
Speaker 3: started being served videos of her, it was her telling

609
00:28:51,262 --> 00:28:53,582
Speaker 3: me what it was like to grow up that rich.

610
00:28:53,982 --> 00:28:56,662
Speaker 3: And there's an element of like purviness. She was just

611
00:28:56,942 --> 00:28:58,742
Speaker 3: born into this wild life.

612
00:28:59,262 --> 00:28:59,822
Speaker 2: That's it.

613
00:29:00,422 --> 00:29:03,902
Speaker 1: Great segue. I think this is about how we feel

614
00:29:04,022 --> 00:29:06,822
Speaker 1: about gold diggers, and I'm sorry to use the term,

615
00:29:07,022 --> 00:29:09,142
Speaker 1: but I'm throwing it on the table because I think

616
00:29:09,182 --> 00:29:10,382
Speaker 1: that's why what's going on here.

617
00:29:10,462 --> 00:29:12,302
Speaker 2: But she's not a gold digger, right exactly.

618
00:29:12,822 --> 00:29:16,822
Speaker 1: So the Bezos wedding is about this idea that Lauren

619
00:29:16,902 --> 00:29:19,782
Speaker 1: Bezos is marrying up. And it turns out there's a

620
00:29:19,782 --> 00:29:22,142
Speaker 1: word for it, when you marry into a different social class.

621
00:29:22,182 --> 00:29:26,822
Speaker 1: It's called hypergamy, not to be confused with bigamy. Hypergamy,

622
00:29:26,862 --> 00:29:29,182
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. And we've

623
00:29:29,182 --> 00:29:31,662
Speaker 1: got a number of examples of that floating around right now.

624
00:29:31,661 --> 00:29:35,542
Speaker 1: There's Lauren Bezos, there's Huma Aberdeen, who is the Democratic

625
00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:39,502
Speaker 1: operative who married a Sorrows recently, and Milania Trump is

626
00:29:39,622 --> 00:29:42,942
Speaker 1: arguably a kind of archetype of that too. And there's

627
00:29:42,982 --> 00:29:45,302
Speaker 1: a lot of different feelings going around about how we

628
00:29:45,302 --> 00:29:47,582
Speaker 1: should feel about these women who are marrying up. If

629
00:29:47,582 --> 00:29:50,102
Speaker 1: you look at Cold Her Daddy. That podcast kind of

630
00:29:50,142 --> 00:29:53,102
Speaker 1: frames marrying up as a smart business decision. It does.

631
00:29:53,661 --> 00:29:55,781
Speaker 1: Or think of the TikTok that blew up. Let's have

632
00:29:56,062 --> 00:29:56,822
Speaker 1: a listen to it.

633
00:29:56,942 --> 00:30:00,182
Speaker 3: I'm looking for a Man in Finance Trust don six

634
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Speaker 3: five Finance Trust Fun six five.

635
00:30:05,382 --> 00:30:07,981
Speaker 2: That was a banger of last summer, I think in it.

636
00:30:07,982 --> 00:30:10,862
Speaker 1: It's also the movie in Aura, movie Materialists. All of

637
00:30:10,902 --> 00:30:14,221
Speaker 1: these movies and pop culture moments are about embracing the

638
00:30:14,262 --> 00:30:17,021
Speaker 1: idea of marrying up as a smart thing to do

639
00:30:17,102 --> 00:30:18,701
Speaker 1: as a woman in a world where the system has

640
00:30:18,742 --> 00:30:22,102
Speaker 1: rigged against you. Inequality has never been more rampant, And

641
00:30:22,182 --> 00:30:24,622
Speaker 1: yet we also hate women who do that. We also

642
00:30:24,661 --> 00:30:25,982
Speaker 1: feel disdain for them.

643
00:30:26,102 --> 00:30:27,422
Speaker 3: They can't trust them.

644
00:30:27,302 --> 00:30:29,502
Speaker 1: We can't trust them. Becca Bloom didn't do that. She

645
00:30:29,582 --> 00:30:32,102
Speaker 1: grew up rich. Yeah, she's marrying a rich guy. But

646
00:30:32,142 --> 00:30:34,102
Speaker 1: that's actually kind of beside the point. I think that

647
00:30:34,222 --> 00:30:37,221
Speaker 1: money comes from her family, and from familial wealth.

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Speaker 2: That is so depressing.

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Speaker 3: I think too. I was reading this piece in the

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal about her that was saying, we live

651
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Speaker 3: in an age of such status anxiety that even the

652
00:30:47,222 --> 00:30:50,062
Speaker 3: really rich don't feel like they have enough. Like there's

653
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Speaker 3: a real to be able to look down the barrel

654
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Speaker 3: of a camera and go, I am really rich. I've

655
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Speaker 3: always been rich, I will always be rich. Come and

656
00:30:58,182 --> 00:31:00,502
Speaker 3: have a look at my house. Is like the reason

657
00:31:00,502 --> 00:31:03,862
Speaker 3: why her content goes viral is because she's exceptionally rich.

658
00:31:04,062 --> 00:31:06,302
Speaker 3: Like there was one that she did recently. She needed

659
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Speaker 3: wedding shoes or whatever, and so she just got on

660
00:31:08,222 --> 00:31:10,302
Speaker 3: her private jet and went to Paris. I didn't know

661
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Speaker 3: that people did that. And there's such normally a wall

662
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Speaker 3: up and a privacy about wealth where people who are

663
00:31:17,942 --> 00:31:20,542
Speaker 3: low income or middle income do talk about money. They

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Speaker 3: talk about salary, and they talk about rent, and they

665
00:31:22,142 --> 00:31:25,501
Speaker 3: talk about mortgages. But when people edge into those kind

666
00:31:25,542 --> 00:31:28,062
Speaker 3: of upper echelons, it becomes a little bit kind of.

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Speaker 2: Her wall will come up. Like she's only been doing

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Speaker 2: this since January. She is putting a massive target on

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Speaker 2: her head in many ways.

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Speaker 1: No, but think of say the Sofia Richie Grange wedding,

671
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Speaker 1: which was another real celebrity wedding moment. She got married

672
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, and that was kind of like

673
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Speaker 1: the crowning of quiet luxury, Like that was the culmination

674
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Speaker 1: of that trend. She got married in a number of

675
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Speaker 1: different design and dresses. I think she now created three

676
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Speaker 1: of them for the weekend. She was very celebrated on

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Speaker 1: the internet. And that's because she's Linel Richie's daughter. She's

678
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Speaker 1: rich herself.

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Speaker 2: But do you think the people who because and obviously

680
00:31:58,222 --> 00:32:01,102
Speaker 2: when Becka Bloom's wedding photos dropped, because everybody's been very

681
00:32:01,102 --> 00:32:03,981
Speaker 2: invested in the journey. She's tried on twenty million dresses

682
00:32:03,982 --> 00:32:05,461
Speaker 2: and all the jewels and d da da da da,

683
00:32:06,142 --> 00:32:08,862
Speaker 2: when they drop, will everybody be watching it with aspiration?

684
00:32:09,102 --> 00:32:11,822
Speaker 2: All they've watching it like a sort of freak show almost.

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00:32:11,902 --> 00:32:14,622
Speaker 3: That's what's bizarre, is it that I seem to be

686
00:32:14,782 --> 00:32:17,421
Speaker 3: laced with some aspiration? It's not how I watch it.

687
00:32:17,462 --> 00:32:20,782
Speaker 3: But if we view weddings as content now, which is

688
00:32:20,782 --> 00:32:23,582
Speaker 3: really what they are, they're a great content strategy for

689
00:32:23,622 --> 00:32:26,502
Speaker 3: at least six months. You know, you do the tryons,

690
00:32:26,542 --> 00:32:29,182
Speaker 3: you do the venue. She's going to have so much

691
00:32:29,222 --> 00:32:29,862
Speaker 3: content out of this.

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Speaker 1: That's why we say, will you take me as your

693
00:32:32,022 --> 00:32:33,142
Speaker 1: content strategy?

694
00:32:33,622 --> 00:32:35,701
Speaker 2: Because it's literal, but it is literally that right. Like

695
00:32:35,742 --> 00:32:38,142
Speaker 2: I know this is an unpopular thing to say, but

696
00:32:38,342 --> 00:32:40,862
Speaker 2: choosing a place that you have no connection to not

697
00:32:40,902 --> 00:32:42,582
Speaker 2: that I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe she has a

698
00:32:42,582 --> 00:32:44,782
Speaker 2: deep connection to it, but like a beautiful villa and

699
00:32:44,862 --> 00:32:46,342
Speaker 2: Lake Como as your film set.

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Speaker 3: You're just saying that, Holly, because you've started learning Italian,

701
00:32:49,022 --> 00:32:52,302
Speaker 3: so you think you're like, you don't even do Dui

702
00:32:52,342 --> 00:32:53,262
Speaker 3: lingo every day.

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Speaker 2: It's like, this is the film set for what I'm

704
00:32:56,502 --> 00:32:58,862
Speaker 2: imagining here, because you're so right. You know, we're obsessed

705
00:32:58,862 --> 00:33:01,822
Speaker 2: with this stuff, and we know that weddings in ordinary

706
00:33:01,862 --> 00:33:04,542
Speaker 2: people's lives give them a content strategy for six weeks

707
00:33:04,582 --> 00:33:07,542
Speaker 2: at least. But if you contrast this with say Charlie

708
00:33:07,622 --> 00:33:10,062
Speaker 2: XCX's wedding, which was in the northern summer in London

709
00:33:10,182 --> 00:33:12,421
Speaker 2: this year, where they went to the town hall, Hackney

710
00:33:12,422 --> 00:33:14,262
Speaker 2: town Hall, which is a very cool place to get married.

711
00:33:14,462 --> 00:33:15,902
Speaker 2: It used to be Chelsea town Hall, but no, that's

712
00:33:15,942 --> 00:33:18,062
Speaker 2: Hackney town Hall and you wear a short dress and

713
00:33:18,062 --> 00:33:19,142
Speaker 2: then you go to the pub and you have a

714
00:33:19,142 --> 00:33:20,741
Speaker 2: pint in the city and then you just have a

715
00:33:20,742 --> 00:33:23,461
Speaker 2: party with your mates. Now, obviously that's very true to

716
00:33:23,582 --> 00:33:27,782
Speaker 2: Charlie XCX's brand, but to me it feels like an

717
00:33:27,822 --> 00:33:30,902
Speaker 2: actual wedding that's about getting married to somebody and celebrating

718
00:33:30,902 --> 00:33:33,942
Speaker 2: your mates these kind of weddings, and I know that

719
00:33:34,062 --> 00:33:35,982
Speaker 2: you could argue that I'm jealous and dah da da dah,

720
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Speaker 2: but they just feel like a performance. There doesn't feel

721
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Speaker 2: like there's anything real about it. And the idea that

722
00:33:41,782 --> 00:33:44,182
Speaker 2: you can invite all mom and Dad's rich, rich friends

723
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Speaker 2: and they'll put presents under your tree.

724
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Speaker 1: You don't need performances.

725
00:33:48,182 --> 00:33:49,822
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's levels, isn't there.

726
00:33:50,262 --> 00:33:53,822
Speaker 3: I reckon too that there's something distinctly American about this phenomenon.

727
00:33:53,862 --> 00:33:56,022
Speaker 3: Becka Bloom doesn't exist in the UK, and she does

728
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Speaker 3: not exist in Australia.

729
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, and.

730
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Speaker 3: You'll imagine how different it would look in the UK

731
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Speaker 3: because there's such a sense of new money and old money.

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00:34:03,382 --> 00:34:05,262
Speaker 2: I think about royal we.

733
00:34:06,822 --> 00:34:08,822
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about weddings. I'm talking about content on

734
00:34:08,862 --> 00:34:12,221
Speaker 3: TikTok and the idea that there's transparency. Like in the UK,

735
00:34:12,342 --> 00:34:15,542
Speaker 3: there's a real sense of privacy. I'm thinking about Saltburn

736
00:34:15,661 --> 00:34:17,382
Speaker 3: and the way that there is a certain amount of

737
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Speaker 3: wealth that becomes very very private. But if Becka Bloom

738
00:34:20,462 --> 00:34:23,462
Speaker 3: existed in Australia, she would have a much larger target

739
00:34:23,502 --> 00:34:25,301
Speaker 3: on her back. I think and in the US. There's

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00:34:25,342 --> 00:34:28,261
Speaker 3: a thing about the American dream and aspiration. And if

741
00:34:28,302 --> 00:34:30,181
Speaker 3: I just work hard enough, I too will have my

742
00:34:30,181 --> 00:34:34,062
Speaker 3: wedding in like Como with my gift tree. After the break,

743
00:34:34,342 --> 00:34:36,982
Speaker 3: we've got some recommendations just in time for your weekend,

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00:34:37,221 --> 00:34:39,782
Speaker 3: including Holly's very fancy beauty.

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00:34:39,942 --> 00:34:42,462
Speaker 2: I feel like Beca Blooms exactly right.

746
00:34:42,502 --> 00:34:44,502
Speaker 3: We've got Becker Bloom over here with a present under

747
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Speaker 3: a gift tree.

748
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Speaker 2: Bloom.

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Speaker 1: What did she say?

750
00:34:47,542 --> 00:34:51,181
Speaker 3: She said, I'm giving it to myself for trying.

751
00:34:50,261 --> 00:34:52,662
Speaker 2: For committing to trying my best.

752
00:34:53,022 --> 00:34:54,982
Speaker 3: That's why Holly bought her self a balm.

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Speaker 3: Subscrib Before we get to recommendations, I need to tell

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00:35:17,102 --> 00:35:20,262
Speaker 3: you about ned the snail. A woman in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Her name is Gizelle. She was hanging in her garden

761
00:35:22,942 --> 00:35:26,542
Speaker 3: like you, Holly, and she noticed a snail.

762
00:35:27,661 --> 00:35:29,381
Speaker 2: I see snails. Oh my god, you know what I

763
00:35:29,382 --> 00:35:29,741
Speaker 2: do with them?

764
00:35:29,862 --> 00:35:29,942
Speaker 1: What?

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00:35:30,142 --> 00:35:32,861
Speaker 2: No, I can't say Actually, I don't kill them. Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to kill them, but just put you

767
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Speaker 2: move them up. I throw them. I picked them off

768
00:35:36,261 --> 00:35:38,982
Speaker 2: because they're eating your things. Okay, pick them off, throw

769
00:35:39,062 --> 00:35:39,542
Speaker 2: them in the hedge.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what Gizelle was going to do, Holly, and

771
00:35:41,741 --> 00:35:44,902
Speaker 3: Gizelle is very into the environment. So you're allowed to

772
00:35:44,902 --> 00:35:46,701
Speaker 3: throw your snail as long as you don't track that

773
00:35:47,622 --> 00:35:51,022
Speaker 3: hard gentless exactly right. So she was just going to

774
00:35:51,102 --> 00:35:54,622
Speaker 3: kind of move the snail along, was her euphemism, when

775
00:35:54,622 --> 00:35:58,142
Speaker 3: she noticed something unusual about Ned, and that was that

776
00:35:58,221 --> 00:36:02,982
Speaker 3: Ned had a shell that spiraled to the right. The

777
00:36:03,022 --> 00:36:06,781
Speaker 3: reason that's interesting is that nearly all snails on their

778
00:36:06,942 --> 00:36:08,421
Speaker 3: shell spirals to the left.

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00:36:08,422 --> 00:36:11,661
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I did How closely are you looking

780
00:36:11,661 --> 00:36:12,462
Speaker 2: at this? Okale?

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00:36:12,502 --> 00:36:15,462
Speaker 3: Well, I should say that Gizelle was primed to notice

782
00:36:15,502 --> 00:36:18,942
Speaker 3: this because she works for the New Zealand geographic magazine. Right,

783
00:36:18,982 --> 00:36:19,741
Speaker 3: so she knew this.

784
00:36:19,862 --> 00:36:25,741
Speaker 2: She's she's nail fluent, she knows she understand the significance

785
00:36:25,741 --> 00:36:26,222
Speaker 2: of shells.

786
00:36:26,221 --> 00:36:28,661
Speaker 3: Hang on, this is interesting. What's the big deal. Why

787
00:36:28,661 --> 00:36:31,221
Speaker 3: do we care that the snail shell's gone the wrong way? Well,

788
00:36:31,701 --> 00:36:36,261
Speaker 3: it's Ned's penis allow me to explain his reproductive organs

789
00:36:36,622 --> 00:36:40,301
Speaker 3: won't line up with other snails because their shell is

790
00:36:40,302 --> 00:36:42,861
Speaker 3: the other way. It's kind of like he's programmed the

791
00:36:42,902 --> 00:36:46,781
Speaker 3: opposite way around and in order for Ned to meet

792
00:36:46,822 --> 00:36:49,981
Speaker 3: a lovely like partner. I know this is very heteronormative.

793
00:36:50,062 --> 00:36:52,781
Speaker 3: We've not even asked Ned about his preferences where the

794
00:36:52,902 --> 00:36:57,702
Speaker 3: consent exactly. But if Ned wants to procreate.

795
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Speaker 2: Doesn't it every snail. It doesn't make little baby snails

796
00:36:59,942 --> 00:37:01,301
Speaker 2: exactly eat my cabbages.

797
00:37:01,382 --> 00:37:03,502
Speaker 3: If he wants to, then he needs to find a

798
00:37:03,542 --> 00:37:08,461
Speaker 3: snail with the same shell. Right, So people in music

799
00:37:08,502 --> 00:37:11,342
Speaker 3: this would only happen in New Zealand. In New Zealand

800
00:37:11,382 --> 00:37:14,781
Speaker 3: are being encouraged to find Ned a lady friend. They

801
00:37:14,781 --> 00:37:17,902
Speaker 3: are looking for a snail with a shell that spirals

802
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:21,142
Speaker 3: to the left. Giselle has of course acknowledged that they

803
00:37:21,142 --> 00:37:24,462
Speaker 3: will need to be compatible personality wise and the sparks.

804
00:37:24,062 --> 00:37:27,501
Speaker 1: Will have far Can we help? Can we look?

805
00:37:27,661 --> 00:37:29,781
Speaker 3: Thank you, Amelia? That's what I thought, because we're not far,

806
00:37:29,942 --> 00:37:31,021
Speaker 3: are we We're not.

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00:37:30,902 --> 00:37:33,582
Speaker 1: Far from snail to New Zealand exactly.

808
00:37:35,342 --> 00:37:37,822
Speaker 3: The one on a plane. I think that if someone

809
00:37:37,942 --> 00:37:39,901
Speaker 3: finds a little lady.

810
00:37:41,181 --> 00:37:42,941
Speaker 1: They're not protection going to be cool with them.

811
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Speaker 2: No, they're not.

812
00:37:44,661 --> 00:37:46,582
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just I feel like Ned couldn't get in,

813
00:37:46,942 --> 00:37:48,341
Speaker 3: but I feel like Nora could get out.

814
00:37:48,422 --> 00:37:50,341
Speaker 2: I don't want to be rude, Ned, but you're not

815
00:37:50,422 --> 00:37:54,901
Speaker 2: an endangered species. If Ned does not get to procreate,

816
00:37:56,102 --> 00:37:59,542
Speaker 2: the garden snails will be fine. But then we're the

817
00:37:59,582 --> 00:38:03,781
Speaker 2: ones at the left side, they'll be all right. It's

818
00:38:03,942 --> 00:38:07,102
Speaker 2: very cute, but I'm sorry one less snail to chew

819
00:38:07,142 --> 00:38:09,062
Speaker 2: my cabbages. I'm here for it.

820
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Speaker 1: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is my

821
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Speaker 1: best recommendation.

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Speaker 3: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your

823
00:38:19,982 --> 00:38:23,022
Speaker 3: weekend with our best recods. Holly, please go first.

824
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Speaker 2: I'm going to give you my beck at bloom Reco

825
00:38:25,542 --> 00:38:30,302
Speaker 2: my beca bloom Star recommendation. I'm currently obsessed with cheeks.

826
00:38:30,822 --> 00:38:34,062
Speaker 2: You don't know like where it's come from, but I

827
00:38:34,342 --> 00:38:36,861
Speaker 2: go through phases when it comes to beauty and skin things,

828
00:38:36,902 --> 00:38:39,422
Speaker 2: and at the minute, I'm like, I've noticed it because

829
00:38:39,422 --> 00:38:42,622
Speaker 2: we're always on video. I've noticed that if I've got

830
00:38:42,661 --> 00:38:44,942
Speaker 2: color in my face, I just look more alive.

831
00:38:45,701 --> 00:38:47,542
Speaker 3: That's a good so like a blush.

832
00:38:47,942 --> 00:38:50,062
Speaker 2: So I bought this thing because and this is the

833
00:38:50,062 --> 00:38:52,901
Speaker 2: most twenty twenty five midlife sentence you'll ever read. I

834
00:38:52,942 --> 00:38:58,861
Speaker 2: saw Naomi Watts recommend this in Miranda July's newsletter. It's

835
00:38:58,902 --> 00:39:02,542
Speaker 2: a bomb by a brand called Jones Road. Now, Jones

836
00:39:02,622 --> 00:39:05,142
Speaker 2: Road is Bobby Brown, you know, she's a very famous yep.

837
00:39:05,181 --> 00:39:06,701
Speaker 2: But she's got her own brand. She's had it for

838
00:39:06,741 --> 00:39:08,661
Speaker 2: a few years now, but it's only just become available

839
00:39:08,661 --> 00:39:11,502
Speaker 2: to be shipped to Australia, so it's available in Australia now.

840
00:39:11,862 --> 00:39:14,502
Speaker 2: And this barmb, it's called Miracle balm, is kind of

841
00:39:14,542 --> 00:39:16,741
Speaker 2: controversial because some people think it's great and some people

842
00:39:16,781 --> 00:39:18,422
Speaker 2: think it's a bit of nonsense, a bit of Emperor's

843
00:39:18,422 --> 00:39:20,221
Speaker 2: New clothes, because it's kind of like a blush or

844
00:39:20,221 --> 00:39:22,582
Speaker 2: a highlighter, or almost like a lip barmb. But it's

845
00:39:22,582 --> 00:39:25,582
Speaker 2: for your face and it comes in thirteen different shades,

846
00:39:25,862 --> 00:39:28,302
Speaker 2: and even the ones that are quite pigmented are quite sheer.

847
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:31,182
Speaker 2: But it makes you feel like plump top and dewy,

848
00:39:31,181 --> 00:39:31,981
Speaker 2: and it gives you a bit.

849
00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:33,381
Speaker 3: Of a shine, but it doesn't give you a lot

850
00:39:33,382 --> 00:39:33,822
Speaker 3: of pigment.

851
00:39:34,022 --> 00:39:35,582
Speaker 2: Not a lot of pigment. They've got some of them

852
00:39:35,582 --> 00:39:38,102
Speaker 2: have got more pigment than others, and some are almost clear.

853
00:39:38,502 --> 00:39:40,901
Speaker 2: But I just I love I've been putting it on

854
00:39:41,022 --> 00:39:43,142
Speaker 2: and it just it kind of makes me feel like

855
00:39:43,221 --> 00:39:45,622
Speaker 2: So it's she they say on their marketing. You can

856
00:39:45,661 --> 00:39:47,542
Speaker 2: either wear it. You could wear it with a bare

857
00:39:47,582 --> 00:39:51,461
Speaker 2: face if you're like got gorgeous skin like Naomi What's

858
00:39:51,701 --> 00:39:53,502
Speaker 2: you could put it on a bare face and it

859
00:39:53,582 --> 00:39:55,582
Speaker 2: just gives you a bit of or you can put

860
00:39:55,582 --> 00:39:57,142
Speaker 2: it over foundation, or you can put it on halfway

861
00:39:57,142 --> 00:39:58,861
Speaker 2: through the day to kind of pick you up. Blah

862
00:39:58,862 --> 00:39:59,342
Speaker 2: blah blah.

863
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Speaker 3: And it's very much.

864
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Speaker 2: It's got a highlighter, yeah, and it's kind of glowy,

865
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Speaker 2: and it comes in quite a big pot, so it'll

866
00:40:06,462 --> 00:40:09,821
Speaker 2: lasts your long time. But it is expensive. It's seventy bucks, okay, right,

867
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Speaker 2: and they come in all these different shades. And then

868
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Speaker 2: at the moment if you're shipping that, like my shipping

869
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Speaker 2: was about fifteen dollars, but if you'd spent loads of

870
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Speaker 2: money you get free shipping obviously. But anyway, I really

871
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Speaker 2: like it, So I'm putting that butt because I know

872
00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:23,741
Speaker 2: that's a lot of money. There is also lots of

873
00:40:23,822 --> 00:40:26,301
Speaker 2: dupes of it because it's become really famous and fantastic.

874
00:40:26,382 --> 00:40:30,022
Speaker 2: So you can also buy Revolution Balm Glow and you

875
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Speaker 2: can buy that in lots of shades too, at like

876
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Speaker 2: a price line, and it's very similar, a very similar product.

877
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Speaker 2: There are quite a few of them now, but this

878
00:40:36,582 --> 00:40:38,422
Speaker 2: is the one that everyone says is the best, and

879
00:40:38,462 --> 00:40:40,381
Speaker 2: you can get that at price line. Revolution do really

880
00:40:40,382 --> 00:40:42,622
Speaker 2: good things. I love the highlighter and that is literally

881
00:40:42,661 --> 00:40:44,582
Speaker 2: fourteen bucks and in fact it's on so at the

882
00:40:44,582 --> 00:40:46,341
Speaker 2: minute for nine dollars. So there you go, and you

883
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Speaker 2: can probably does Becker Bloom have a dupe version of

884
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Speaker 2: a van plet van rpels thrice around the neck chain?

885
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Speaker 2: I don't think so, Amelia.

886
00:40:55,302 --> 00:40:56,301
Speaker 3: What's your recommendation?

887
00:40:56,701 --> 00:41:00,342
Speaker 1: Okay? So mine is a thing called a laughing yoga.

888
00:41:00,661 --> 00:41:03,582
Speaker 3: It just doesn't seem that you are a million no, I've.

889
00:41:03,422 --> 00:41:05,062
Speaker 1: Got like a real hippie street.

890
00:41:06,181 --> 00:41:06,381
Speaker 2: Yeah.

891
00:41:08,181 --> 00:41:11,702
Speaker 1: Okay. So it's done in my neighborhood by a lovely

892
00:41:11,822 --> 00:41:15,022
Speaker 1: lady named Timoco. But you can look up places to

893
00:41:15,221 --> 00:41:19,102
Speaker 1: practice it across Australia on the laughing yoga website Laughter

894
00:41:19,181 --> 00:41:23,982
Speaker 1: Yoga Dash Australia dot org has classes. Basically, it's not

895
00:41:24,022 --> 00:41:26,782
Speaker 1: really yoga at all. You stand around in a circle

896
00:41:27,102 --> 00:41:31,542
Speaker 1: and you basically just laugh together. You do various exercises

897
00:41:31,582 --> 00:41:33,421
Speaker 1: that are meant to trigger laughter. But the good news

898
00:41:33,502 --> 00:41:36,301
Speaker 1: is that fake laughter and real laughter actually have the

899
00:41:36,302 --> 00:41:38,701
Speaker 1: same effects on the body. Basically, they're a form of

900
00:41:38,701 --> 00:41:40,701
Speaker 1: breath work. Like laughter is a form of breath work.

901
00:41:40,701 --> 00:41:43,661
Speaker 1: You're taking in a whole ton of oxygen and then

902
00:41:43,701 --> 00:41:45,462
Speaker 1: that's calming down your nervous system.

903
00:41:45,942 --> 00:41:48,821
Speaker 2: So there's a group of I'm assuming mostly women, maybe

904
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Speaker 2: not standing in a circle.

905
00:41:50,342 --> 00:41:51,742
Speaker 1: I did take my partner along.

906
00:41:51,942 --> 00:41:54,622
Speaker 2: Do you tell jokes like how do they like laugh?

907
00:41:55,502 --> 00:41:57,261
Speaker 2: How do you have a comedian like?

908
00:41:57,342 --> 00:41:59,622
Speaker 1: How so, for instance, one of them is you go

909
00:41:59,781 --> 00:42:03,582
Speaker 1: ha ha ha ha ha. Because you're all doing it

910
00:42:03,622 --> 00:42:06,421
Speaker 1: in this sort of circle together, it feels really silly.

911
00:42:06,502 --> 00:42:08,661
Speaker 1: I took my partner and my best friend, and then

912
00:42:09,062 --> 00:42:12,462
Speaker 1: we just felt so silly we just actually started laughing.

913
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Speaker 1: And then by the end, laughter it it is contagious

914
00:42:15,622 --> 00:42:18,142
Speaker 1: and it is sort of generative, like it builds on itself.

915
00:42:18,142 --> 00:42:20,181
Speaker 1: So by the end you're practically hysterical and there are

916
00:42:20,221 --> 00:42:23,261
Speaker 1: tears rolling down your face. And it's true that afterwards

917
00:42:23,261 --> 00:42:26,701
Speaker 1: you feel incredibly calm because you're just taking in all

918
00:42:26,781 --> 00:42:28,701
Speaker 1: this good oxygen and you didn't even have to do

919
00:42:28,741 --> 00:42:29,461
Speaker 1: a downward dog.

920
00:42:29,622 --> 00:42:30,982
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha.

921
00:42:32,342 --> 00:42:34,582
Speaker 3: I like that as an idea. I like that a

922
00:42:34,622 --> 00:42:35,582
Speaker 3: lot more than breathwork.

923
00:42:35,862 --> 00:42:37,742
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like a lot more than actual yoga

924
00:42:37,781 --> 00:42:39,142
Speaker 1: because it doesn't involve corse strength.

925
00:42:39,261 --> 00:42:41,102
Speaker 2: Do you have to do any bending around and stuff?

926
00:42:41,342 --> 00:42:43,781
Speaker 1: You don't. You just start in this circle and you

927
00:42:43,822 --> 00:42:45,741
Speaker 1: don't even really need to wear yoga clothes for it,

928
00:42:45,781 --> 00:42:47,261
Speaker 1: because again, you're not moving that much.

929
00:42:47,342 --> 00:42:48,982
Speaker 2: Don't have to wear soft pants, you don't.

930
00:42:49,261 --> 00:42:51,622
Speaker 1: This class was followed by a sound bath, which was

931
00:42:51,661 --> 00:42:54,941
Speaker 1: also lovely, where you lie down and the practitioner uses

932
00:42:55,022 --> 00:42:57,861
Speaker 1: various singing bowls to create great sound frequencies that are

933
00:42:57,902 --> 00:42:59,622
Speaker 1: meant to hum along with your body. But you don't

934
00:42:59,622 --> 00:43:01,181
Speaker 1: have to do that. You can also just walk away

935
00:43:01,181 --> 00:43:03,542
Speaker 1: from it and feel amazing and relaxed.

936
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's amazing. I am recommending a drama on Netflix

937
00:43:09,221 --> 00:43:13,221
Speaker 3: call Hostel with a lot of the out louders have

938
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Speaker 3: messaged me about.

939
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Speaker 2: If it ever comes down to a choice, you'll make

940
00:43:22,902 --> 00:43:24,461
Speaker 2: the right one.

941
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Speaker 1: You can't allow the French to dictate terms.

942
00:43:28,942 --> 00:43:31,022
Speaker 2: You were meant to be the politician people could trust her.

943
00:43:31,622 --> 00:43:38,341
Speaker 2: Nothing will distract me. Prime Minister for your husband has

944
00:43:38,342 --> 00:43:39,502
Speaker 2: been abducted.

945
00:43:41,022 --> 00:43:45,622
Speaker 1: Abil you need to resign this prime minister by tomorrow.

946
00:43:48,422 --> 00:43:50,582
Speaker 3: I scrolled past it the first few times, and then

947
00:43:50,701 --> 00:43:54,341
Speaker 3: I even read the synopsis and went, yeah, just kind

948
00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:56,582
Speaker 3: of didn't grab me. Gave it ten minutes totally in

949
00:43:56,982 --> 00:44:00,861
Speaker 3: It stars Saran Jones. She's this British actress who's in

950
00:44:00,902 --> 00:44:02,062
Speaker 3: every British crime show.

951
00:44:02,142 --> 00:44:06,142
Speaker 2: She's particularly an everything tense. Yeah, it's like she specializes,

952
00:44:06,781 --> 00:44:09,302
Speaker 2: you know, intense things. Since which was the one.

953
00:44:09,102 --> 00:44:12,462
Speaker 3: The Summer Green show it was called vigils Enough that

954
00:44:12,582 --> 00:44:15,661
Speaker 3: was so so good. The premise is basically that she

955
00:44:15,781 --> 00:44:18,982
Speaker 3: is the UK Prime Minister and her husband is a

956
00:44:19,261 --> 00:44:23,622
Speaker 3: doctor who is working overseas and he is captured and

957
00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:27,182
Speaker 3: held hostage, and it's about why these people are angry,

958
00:44:27,342 --> 00:44:32,622
Speaker 3: what they want. Julie Delpi plays the President of France Swoon,

959
00:44:32,862 --> 00:44:36,622
Speaker 3: who's also blackmailed, and she is before sunset. I've got

960
00:44:36,622 --> 00:44:37,261
Speaker 3: a watch all of them.

961
00:44:38,902 --> 00:44:41,622
Speaker 2: So heaven. And I know this is a sidebar because

962
00:44:41,622 --> 00:44:44,821
Speaker 2: I'm watching this too, Jesse. Watching these two women in

963
00:44:44,862 --> 00:44:47,582
Speaker 2: these really powerhouse roles is great. But Julie Delpi seeing her,

964
00:44:47,622 --> 00:44:49,462
Speaker 2: I have not think I'd seen her much lately. No

965
00:44:49,661 --> 00:44:53,902
Speaker 2: she looks amazing sidebar, but she looks amazing, French cool,

966
00:44:54,221 --> 00:44:57,062
Speaker 2: the red lip, the red limp, fantastic. She and the

967
00:44:57,181 --> 00:44:59,461
Speaker 2: tension between them and the story about her so good.

968
00:44:59,661 --> 00:45:03,102
Speaker 3: It's great, And at no point is it even referenced

969
00:45:03,221 --> 00:45:05,822
Speaker 3: or explored that they both happen to be female world leaders.

970
00:45:05,822 --> 00:45:06,381
Speaker 1: It just is.

971
00:45:06,582 --> 00:45:08,982
Speaker 3: It is such a good show. Really enjoyed it, and

972
00:45:08,982 --> 00:45:11,422
Speaker 3: it's a mini It's five episodes, so it doesn't drag

973
00:45:11,462 --> 00:45:12,741
Speaker 3: on non really good.

974
00:45:12,862 --> 00:45:14,261
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question This is not a

975
00:45:14,261 --> 00:45:16,622
Speaker 2: spoiler's question, but so I'm an episode at the end

976
00:45:16,622 --> 00:45:18,542
Speaker 2: of episode four, I've got one left, but I have

977
00:45:18,582 --> 00:45:19,902
Speaker 2: to wait till I get home because Brent and I

978
00:45:19,982 --> 00:45:23,662
Speaker 2: are watching it. Is the ending satisfying? Did they stick

979
00:45:23,741 --> 00:45:24,342
Speaker 2: the landing?

980
00:45:24,942 --> 00:45:28,942
Speaker 3: I found it's satisfying. Yes, But I would love to

981
00:45:28,982 --> 00:45:31,221
Speaker 3: talk to people about the end of episode one. It

982
00:45:31,302 --> 00:45:34,301
Speaker 3: just starts conversations between you and your partner where you

983
00:45:34,342 --> 00:45:36,501
Speaker 3: look at each other and you go, hang on, would

984
00:45:36,502 --> 00:45:37,181
Speaker 3: you quit your job?

985
00:45:37,382 --> 00:45:38,422
Speaker 1: Yes? Save my life?

986
00:45:38,542 --> 00:45:40,661
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting conversation.

987
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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of you out loud

988
00:45:43,261 --> 00:45:45,381
Speaker 2: As for being here with us this week. We do

989
00:45:45,502 --> 00:45:47,901
Speaker 2: appreciate you, and to our fabulous team. Of course we're

990
00:45:47,902 --> 00:45:51,102
Speaker 2: putting it together. Oh a reminder, if you'd like to

991
00:45:51,142 --> 00:45:53,181
Speaker 2: watch us as well as listen to us, we do

992
00:45:53,302 --> 00:45:55,781
Speaker 2: all look spiffing today, don't we yea, and you can

993
00:45:55,862 --> 00:46:00,022
Speaker 2: check out my blowy cheeks exactly right. Then, Remember that

994
00:46:00,062 --> 00:46:02,022
Speaker 2: our episodes are all now on YouTube and you can

995
00:46:02,062 --> 00:46:04,821
Speaker 2: actually watch them anytime. Just go in there look for

996
00:46:04,862 --> 00:46:06,382
Speaker 2: Mama and me are out loud. You'll find it. We

997
00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:09,462
Speaker 2: brush our hair, Jesse and Amelia reather out.

998
00:46:09,822 --> 00:46:12,701
Speaker 3: A big thank you to our team group executive producer

999
00:46:12,902 --> 00:46:18,741
Speaker 3: Ruth Devine, executive producers Emmeline Gazillis and Sasha tanic As.

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Speaker 1: Senior audio producer is Leah Porge's video producer Josh Green,

1001
00:46:22,741 --> 00:46:26,461
Speaker 1: and our junior content producers are Coco and Tessa.

1002
00:46:25,902 --> 00:46:28,661
Speaker 3: Out loud as We know you're not ready to say goodbye.

1003
00:46:28,741 --> 00:46:31,542
Speaker 3: And we have a subscriber episode that we did yesterday

1004
00:46:31,582 --> 00:46:35,542
Speaker 3: which is all about family drama and if you could

1005
00:46:35,542 --> 00:46:38,582
Speaker 3: cut off your parents completely. It is a dilemma that

1006
00:46:38,701 --> 00:46:40,022
Speaker 3: was sent in from a listener.

1007
00:46:40,142 --> 00:46:41,462
Speaker 2: It is would you yes or no?

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00:46:43,622 --> 00:46:45,822
Speaker 3: You can listen via the link in our show notes.

1009
00:46:46,542 --> 00:46:49,462
Speaker 2: Jesse, I also want to tell all the out Louders

1010
00:46:49,502 --> 00:46:52,341
Speaker 2: about the extra episode of No Filter that dropped last

1011
00:46:52,382 --> 00:46:56,181
Speaker 2: week where you interview an amazing guy called Dr Muhammad

1012
00:46:56,221 --> 00:46:58,822
Speaker 2: Mustafa or Dr Moe as he's called kind of everywhere

1013
00:46:58,862 --> 00:47:02,701
Speaker 2: because he's a doctor from Western Australia and he has

1014
00:47:02,741 --> 00:47:06,222
Speaker 2: been over to Gaza twice since the war volunteering working

1015
00:47:06,221 --> 00:47:10,662
Speaker 2: in hospitals, particularly with children. So he's got this mission,

1016
00:47:10,741 --> 00:47:13,261
Speaker 2: I guess might be the right word, to establish a

1017
00:47:13,342 --> 00:47:16,542
Speaker 2: children's hospital in Gaza, a mobile children's hospital, and he

1018
00:47:16,582 --> 00:47:19,542
Speaker 2: wants it to be separate from government, separate from politics,

1019
00:47:19,582 --> 00:47:22,301
Speaker 2: and he's really pushing hard for that. I just thought

1020
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Speaker 2: it was an amazing conversation. I thought Dr Moe was

1021
00:47:25,261 --> 00:47:28,341
Speaker 2: so interesting and it's also that's also on YouTube if

1022
00:47:28,382 --> 00:47:29,582
Speaker 2: you want to watch it rather than.

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Speaker 3: Listen, shout out to any Mum and mea subscribers listening.

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Speaker 3: If you love the show and you want to support us,

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Speaker 3: subscribing to MoMA Mia is the very best way to

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Speaker 3: do so. There's a link in the episode description