Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast.
Speaker 2: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed.
Speaker 1: Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to
Speaker 1: do it. You live for fashion.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
Speaker 2: solves fashion.
Speaker 1: Problems and levels up your wardrobe.
Speaker 2: I'm Lee Campbell, and today I'm joined by a guest
Speaker 2: with a very special talent. Today I'm joined by Katherine Eisman,
Speaker 2: an Emmy nominator journalist and author and the founder of
Speaker 2: fashion label High Heel Jungle. Katherine has an uncanny knack.
Speaker 2: She can look at an accessory someone's wearing and tell
Speaker 2: everything about them. So we're going to talk through the
Speaker 2: micro data points we wear without even knowing it and
Speaker 2: what it says about us.
Speaker 1: Plus how to go.
Speaker 2: Into our own wardrobes and work out who we really
Speaker 2: are right now and make sure that's reflected in what
Speaker 2: we wear.
Speaker 1: Catherine, Welcome for Nothing to Wear. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. We have so much to cover, but
Speaker 1: let's start at the start. Who are you and where
Speaker 1: did your career begin? Okay, well who am I? That
Speaker 1: I can't answer? But where are the career began? Are
Speaker 1: you today exactly in this moment. I started my career
Speaker 1: the very beginning, as a model, average one, and I
Speaker 1: studied communications and journalism. And actually it was while I
Speaker 1: was modeling that I discovered this. I was sitting on
Speaker 1: the floor and I saw these men's shoes walking past,
Speaker 1: and I was playing a game with myself, like I
Speaker 1: bet it's this guy, I bet it's that guy, and
Speaker 1: thinking about characteristics. Anyway, see the shoes. I could only
Speaker 1: see the.
Speaker 2: Shin date that show blind date, but yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 2: then I would look up and be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: test myself anyway. That became the beginning of what became
Speaker 2: my career, I guess was my first book a long
Speaker 2: time ago, called How to Tell a Man by His
Speaker 2: Shoes and this lifelong passion that I've had for connecting
Speaker 2: the clothes that we wear and the deepest parts of
Speaker 2: who we are as people. And I went to New
Speaker 2: York on that book tour, ended up beaming a reporter
Speaker 2: for NBC New York, and.
Speaker 1: Which was not part of the plan. I'm guessing it
Speaker 1: wasn't had so many different plans, and back in the day,
Speaker 1: I felt that you really had to pick a lane.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like now where you can become your own industry.
Speaker 1: I wanted to write. I loved writing, but I also
Speaker 1: did love television.
Speaker 2: And I and with the you know, the education after modeling,
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I write place right time exactly. I wrote
Speaker 1: the book. The book became a bestseller. It really changed
Speaker 1: my life in many ways. I moved to New York
Speaker 1: and had the most extraordinary time working as a reporter
Speaker 1: journalist for NBC at thirty Rock and just learning so
Speaker 1: much so quickly. And then I ended up working television
Speaker 1: a long time, writing columns, writing books, doing a TV
Speaker 1: series called Undressed, all about the link between the clothing
Speaker 1: that we were in the person we are. Worked for
Speaker 1: E News, had a fashion and lifestyle and then launched
Speaker 1: High Hill Jungle by Katherine Eisband, which is my brand now.
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk more about that later because
Speaker 2: I love what I've seen so far. But I want
Speaker 2: to ask a few more questions about kind of this
Speaker 2: talent that you've got, so more on this skill of
Speaker 2: you know, seeing a shoe and then kind of guessing
Speaker 2: who the man is it's wearing them, that you got
Speaker 2: it pretty right most of the time. How did that
Speaker 2: evolve and how have you used that in your career since?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, okay. Well, the first time I realized I
Speaker 1: had this ability in a very pragmatic way was I
Speaker 1: was on holiday with my dad in Italy and some
Speaker 1: guy came up to me to ask for directions at
Speaker 1: a train station Italy in Italian. Unfortunately I don't speak Italian.
Speaker 1: I would like to obviously looked you know, you weren't
Speaker 1: looking touristy, though you obviously looked the pace. I think
Speaker 1: when you hear the rest of the story, I looked
Speaker 1: very too. It's really interesting because I remember staring at
Speaker 1: him and reading what he was wearing and this oversized
Speaker 1: camel Kashmir code, and remember his brown monk strap leather shoes,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking there was this really big disconnect
Speaker 1: between his face and hiss these very plush, beautiful, elegant clothes.
Speaker 1: My father came back and we really that the video
Speaker 1: cam quarter back in the day that had our whole
Speaker 1: holidays memories on it was missing, and I remember saying
Speaker 1: to my dad, I don't know how because I only
Speaker 1: saw one person, but it must have been this guy
Speaker 1: because his clothes didn't match his face. And the vibe
Speaker 1: you got when it was starting exactly I think we
Speaker 1: all get and to varying degrees, have this ability to
Speaker 1: read a person. There's so much that happens that's energetic
Speaker 1: and not necessarily what someone says. That's such a small
Speaker 1: part of it. But I never noticed their clothes. So
Speaker 1: this is where it gets interesting. And the clothing is
Speaker 1: really I think of clothing and it is is the
Speaker 1: external manifestation of your internal world. And there are so
Speaker 1: many clues that we don't realize that we're giving off.
Speaker 1: And it's not anything to do with how much money
Speaker 1: you spent or how fashionable or on trend you are,
Speaker 1: other than it maybe being that you want to be
Speaker 1: part of something and feel a sense of belonging, and
Speaker 1: maybe there is a certain kind of interest in newness
Speaker 1: and also a lack of kind of confident. There's different
Speaker 1: aspects to act, but it's really about are you dressing
Speaker 1: to be seen? Are you dressing to disappear? Are you
Speaker 1: kind of thrown together and creative and kind of have
Speaker 1: hazard and or are you very structured and buttoned up?
Speaker 1: What colors you wear? You know, what shapes. There's so
Speaker 1: many little iterations of clothing that really reveal how we're feeling,
Speaker 1: not just how we want to be perceived in the world,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people think of clothing
Speaker 1: when they think of it one step further than it
Speaker 1: being superficient. They think, Oh, it's about making a great impression.
Speaker 2: I'll look powerful, but maybe you're not feeling that, And yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's really about when you look in the mirror,
Speaker 2: are you seeing an authentic, positive representation of who you want?
Speaker 1: Because when that aligns, that's when someone has incredible personal style.
Speaker 1: That's when someone feels aligned. And so that's how I've
Speaker 1: always seen fashion as a form of empowerment and creative
Speaker 1: self expression and taking it away from people feeling judged
Speaker 1: or fearful of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, however, those years, you know, you've had this talent
Speaker 2: for a long time, how has that influenced what you wear?
Speaker 2: Do you think about it more or you don't have
Speaker 2: to think about it, because I surely you've been through
Speaker 2: different life stages and ups and downs. How has that
Speaker 2: been reflected in how you've presented yourself with your outfits.
Speaker 1: Well, it's such a great question, because you really, even
Speaker 1: though I'm so hyper aware of it and I do
Speaker 1: read people, and it's a different kind of depth of
Speaker 1: insight that I have when I look at it through
Speaker 1: that land. I still am at the mercy of clothing
Speaker 1: expressing parts of me, the highs and the lows, so
Speaker 1: I can look like all of us. I can look
Speaker 1: through my wardrobe and see these very clearly defined chapters.
Speaker 1: And I often think, you know, the name of your
Speaker 1: podcast is like nothing to wear. And people often will say, oh,
Speaker 1: I have a you know, water full of clothes and
Speaker 1: nothing to wear. What you're really saying is that I
Speaker 1: don't know who to be. I don't know who to
Speaker 1: be today in this moment, and maybe the things that
Speaker 1: I'm seeing reflected back at me are an old version
Speaker 1: of myself that doesn't feel aligned in what I've had.
Speaker 1: That even when I came back. I went from Sydney,
Speaker 1: where I was wearing colorful, pretty dresses. I was twenty
Speaker 1: one when I moved to New York. I arrived in
Speaker 1: New York winter. Wow. You know, I feel like the
Speaker 1: tan leached out of my skin on entry, and within
Speaker 1: a couple, you know, a year, I was wearing all black.
Speaker 1: And then I moved to LA and was and worked
Speaker 1: so very different so different, and it worked in entertainment.
Speaker 1: I was at E News and it was the you know,
Speaker 1: the time where everyone was wearing I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember, like it was the Galaxy dress, which was
Speaker 1: and then there was like a cheaper version of it,
Speaker 1: which was the black halo Jackie O dress, which was
Speaker 1: this kind of very body conscious and you had it
Speaker 1: in every color and I had that.
Speaker 2: You know, especially when you're on TV, that's a whole
Speaker 2: other degree, I think, when you're being seen by so
Speaker 2: many people all the time and wearing things new before
Speaker 2: social media when everyone wants new things for their grid post.
Speaker 2: But that was a whole different time, one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: so you and you can see that, and then you
Speaker 2: can also see when I came back to Australia, that
Speaker 2: whole wardrobe just felt so wrong here everyone was wearing
Speaker 2: fifty shades of beige when I felt like and it
Speaker 2: was everything's very oversized and more relaxed and natural fibers
Speaker 2: and many beautiful things. But this whole very Hollywood outfit,
Speaker 2: you know, wardrobe I had just felt so wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I had to refine myself as a person and
Speaker 2: also as a dresser in that version. But I think
Speaker 2: it's really exciting to like look at your wardrobe as
Speaker 2: chapters in your book.
Speaker 1: Of your life like a diary. It's a diary.
Speaker 2: I love that will be back with more of Catherine's
Speaker 2: incredible insights right after the break. I think also people
Speaker 2: might make the mistake where they have things in their
Speaker 2: wardrobe that they've had for a while, or even shopping now,
Speaker 2: I still do this. I buy things for who I
Speaker 2: want to be and it's just not realistic, it's not practical.
Speaker 2: I want to be comfortable, or I get it home
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I'm forty four, can I
Speaker 2: wear that?
Speaker 1: Which is a whole other dilemma as you can.
Speaker 2: But yes, that's what I tell everyone here, but you know,
Speaker 2: it still goes through my head. So not only do
Speaker 2: we have things from our past, but we kind of
Speaker 2: are projecting where.
Speaker 1: We thought our life would be it would like to be.
Speaker 1: Do you see that as well? One hundred percent? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really can see different versions of who you want
Speaker 1: to be, not just who you've outgrown sometimes, which is
Speaker 1: definitely the case. But I think it's really interesting when
Speaker 1: you look in your wordsrop and you see the pieces
Speaker 1: that still have the tags on them, because that was
Speaker 1: that was some fantasy, a version of me and version
Speaker 1: of you that you felt like you want to buy
Speaker 1: into it quite literally at ever, and it's not you,
Speaker 1: you know, And every time you've tried to put it on,
Speaker 1: you've taken it off and put it back. What does
Speaker 1: that say? And that says, well, it depends what it is,
Speaker 1: but it definitely sometimes there's a version waiting for us
Speaker 1: to discover that we do want to be and that
Speaker 1: just like anything that fears holding us back and we
Speaker 1: are scared to stay. And in that case then you
Speaker 1: really have to rip the tag off and put it on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And there are other times where you're dressing, often for
Speaker 1: someone else's ideas or that's what you think you should
Speaker 1: wear because you saw, you know, four hundred people wearing
Speaker 1: on your Instagram feed that morning and you went out
Speaker 1: and bought it, and then you just realize it wasn't you.
Speaker 1: And that's where it feels inauthentic. And in those cases
Speaker 1: I was like, sell it, given it a way to
Speaker 1: a friend who it might be, because I have had
Speaker 1: that time where you put on that dress, you go
Speaker 1: to an event or whatever it is, and you just
Speaker 1: want to go home. Yes, and take it off because
Speaker 1: you're so it's so wrong for you, and I have
Speaker 1: a like, if it feels wrong at home, it's going
Speaker 1: to feel ten times worse when you're out at an event.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you've got to be honest with
Speaker 1: yourself and say, is this someone that I want to
Speaker 1: be but I'm afraid to or is this someone that
Speaker 1: I thought I had to be that I don't want
Speaker 1: to be, and then make judgments according to that.
Speaker 2: Such a good point with the tag on and you've
Speaker 2: not worn it yet because I've got several things that
Speaker 2: I've put on, put back, put on, put back.
Speaker 1: When am I going to wear that? I'm not.
Speaker 2: I just need to let go of the guilt of
Speaker 2: spending the money or not being her or whatever it
Speaker 2: is and move it on so it's not in the way.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because I think we marry, you know,
Speaker 2: failure to the clothes that we've bought but haven't worn
Speaker 2: for certain reasons.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, because everyone, no matter what your budget is,
Speaker 1: it's so wasteful. It's kind of like the fashion version
Speaker 1: of throwing out a half eaten plant of food. And
Speaker 1: your parents were telling you, like it's a waste. There
Speaker 1: are kids that are starving and.
Speaker 2: Ordering a coffee when you keep cups in the car
Speaker 2: and you just couldn't be bothered to go and get it.
Speaker 1: You know, I've done that times, going oh my god,
Speaker 1: I feel so bad, but it's much worse. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like that. So and I think, look, everyone's allowed to
Speaker 1: have some mistakes. And I think that your wardrobe. What
Speaker 1: would be worse is to not be experimenting at all,
Speaker 1: to be so stuck in a way of dressing and
Speaker 1: a way of thinking that you're not evolving. So I
Speaker 1: think you've got to give yourself a little bit of
Speaker 1: grace and so at least I was trying to be,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason. And I think the worst
Speaker 1: thing would be to never change is a person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's when and you do see that in
Speaker 1: close in people, whether people feel stuck and how that manifests.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I think as us women age, we feel
Speaker 2: like we need to shrink, so we get less experimental.
Speaker 2: We look for more comfort, which is wonderful. But you
Speaker 2: can be comfortable and stylish and experiment and it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean because you're getting older that you can't wear that
Speaker 2: like you just said before, even though in my head, oh,
Speaker 2: I sometimes tell myself that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I always feel like there's this thing called
Speaker 1: repetitious wardrobes interrome. I made it up, but I like
Speaker 1: that tell us more about it, and so the brain
Speaker 1: likes to do the same things at the same time.
Speaker 1: We love routine, you know, in a world where there's
Speaker 1: so many choices and decisions we have to make and
Speaker 1: it's exhausting, we do love to like get have the
Speaker 1: same coffee order, you know, get up ideally at the
Speaker 1: same time, have the same breakfast and how we dress.
Speaker 1: Repetious wardrobes is is that part of that, and it
Speaker 1: can be useful in terms of like having your uniform
Speaker 1: that yeah, like Steve Jobs did. Like Steve Jobs exactly,
Speaker 1: everyone listening, get a black and you're good and make billions.
Speaker 1: But I think and Obama had the same thing, President Obama.
Speaker 1: So people can have those choices. Usually men happy women
Speaker 1: have a version of it. Might be a pair of
Speaker 1: jeans and a blazer or whatever it might be, or
Speaker 1: the same three suits that they're on rotation. But I
Speaker 1: think that we can become a bit of a broken record.
Speaker 1: And there's this other thing where people get stuck at
Speaker 1: an era, so you can look at people and you
Speaker 1: couldn't see and it's often when they felt most connected
Speaker 1: to the music.
Speaker 2: When they felt most alive. So you can often see
Speaker 2: the purple patch. Things were going well, they were feeling good.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you can look at someone and say like, oh,
Speaker 1: clearly like the eighties were their moment, the nineties which
Speaker 1: are back, you know. I think the part that I
Speaker 1: am upset about is that the messaging to yourself is
Speaker 1: that the best years are behind you. Gosh, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: relating to that right now, and that is not true.
Speaker 1: The best years are right now. The day that you
Speaker 1: get to get dressed and breathe and wake up, that's
Speaker 1: the day. And that idea of not saving your clothing
Speaker 1: for some future thing or thinking that that was when
Speaker 1: you had it all together, it's now. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: go back. You can't go back, and you actually wouldn't
Speaker 1: want it. We all romanced, like even New York I
Speaker 1: romanticized about it.
Speaker 2: I don't when you go back to an X and
Speaker 2: you think it'll be great, then you're like, actually, you're
Speaker 2: a dickhead. You know, you forgot because you romanticized it.
Speaker 2: It was bad things back then. That's why we broke up.
Speaker 1: And you've learnt so much since that wonderful version of
Speaker 1: you that you thought was so perfect. You're at a peak.
Speaker 1: You are a better version of yourself. Not you so true?
Speaker 1: Why is a smarter? Whatever it is? And so I
Speaker 1: always feel like saying, who do I want to be
Speaker 1: right now? Like? Who am I? What are the three
Speaker 1: things that make me feel yes?
Speaker 2: Because I think we hear a lot on this podcast
Speaker 2: that women want to develop personal style. They don't know
Speaker 2: what to wear. Either they've got usually they've got too
Speaker 2: many clothes ye, or they've just yeah, they're stuck in
Speaker 2: a safe zone. How can someone sit down with themselves
Speaker 2: and go, right, who do I want to be right now?
Speaker 2: Or where am I realistically in my life? Maybe that's
Speaker 2: not exactly where they want to be, and then get
Speaker 2: dressed accordingly because that can be confronting.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, And you're so right. It's often too
Speaker 1: many clothes not we often think, oh, the solutions to
Speaker 1: buy more. I've even fallen like, oh, oh, I'm like
Speaker 1: that right now. I'll give you a few tips that
Speaker 1: I think are really helpful if you do buy something. Yes,
Speaker 1: I often say buy something that is a complete outfit,
Speaker 1: because we have this thing I've kind of thought of.
Speaker 1: This is like a bower bird shopping habit where you
Speaker 1: see something shiny or whatever it is, and you love
Speaker 1: it and it doesn't work with pretty much anything else
Speaker 1: in your wardrobe. And you have this wardrobe full of
Speaker 1: all these beautiful pieces and none of them go and
Speaker 1: you really do have nothing to wear. Yes, So I
Speaker 1: always feel like, in the name of simplicity, we're all
Speaker 1: so stretched too thin. We have very little band with
Speaker 1: Even if you love fashion as much as we do,
Speaker 1: and so many people listening do, we don't have time
Speaker 1: to reimagine an entirely unique wardrobe choice every morning. So
Speaker 1: if you have like a complete set, you know that
Speaker 1: no matter what, just put that on and yes, ideally
Speaker 1: you can mix it with three other things. In your words,
Speaker 1: I always love that, But you have that done. I
Speaker 1: love that game on. The Next thing is asking yourself like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are the three kind of like style power words
Speaker 1: that I want to feel? And it can be different.
Speaker 1: We're not one thing. This is the thing I have
Speaker 1: People say, just be yourself and I'm like, which one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: Which one? What time in my cycle. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's so many, and it's like, but that's okay. I
Speaker 1: think you could think of three words and they can
Speaker 1: be almost contradictory, like you are a contradiction, like you am.
Speaker 2: You're very like like classic and androgynists, but then I
Speaker 2: like to be different and sometimes feminine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you have like I see with you
Speaker 1: more than you realize, is like a rebellious streak to
Speaker 1: you of kind.
Speaker 2: Of so true, like I won't jaywalk, but I will
Speaker 2: let my clothes be a little bit not following the rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know the rules. You're also have this
Speaker 1: kind of a bit of a renegade spirit to you,
Speaker 1: of like trying new things and wanting to like be
Speaker 1: okay with being a little bit scared. So I see
Speaker 1: them not be bored, Ye, not be bored exactly, and
Speaker 1: so okay. Three words so you say, like who are they?
Speaker 1: So it might be creative, it might be confident, and
Speaker 1: it might be feminine or whatever it is. And edit
Speaker 1: your wardrobe and does it now? Great if it falls
Speaker 1: into AU three, unlikely, But otherwise, if it falls into
Speaker 1: any one of those three, it gets to stay. If
Speaker 1: it is none of those things that you want to feel.
Speaker 1: It should be it's an emotion. Like if you do
Speaker 1: not feel any of those things, it has to go
Speaker 1: and give it to someone else that may be their
Speaker 1: wonderful word. Yes, And I think there's this wonderful just
Speaker 1: like you know when they talk about money, and it's
Speaker 1: like there's a real flow to it. And if you're
Speaker 1: trying to ware attention goes energy flows something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I like that.
Speaker 2: And also flow your clothes onto someone else who will
Speaker 2: give them attention exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think that if you don't hold onto things
Speaker 1: so tightly, it creates space for new things and new
Speaker 1: versions of yourself to it to come into your life
Speaker 1: as well. So I just did a massive wardrobe claar out.
Speaker 1: Now the clothes are still in the bag. I haven't
Speaker 1: been able to like quite get them other house, okay,
Speaker 1: but they're in the bag.
Speaker 2: And I sometimes do a maybe pile, like a maybe
Speaker 2: pile or a maybe you know, vacuum thing in the
Speaker 2: spare room cupboard, and nine times out of ten I
Speaker 2: don't remember what's in there, and then I take it
Speaker 2: to donate or to sell later.
Speaker 1: But for me it just feels a little bit safer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that it hasn't fully gone in case who I
Speaker 2: was in that moment when I made that decision. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know I leave when someone else comes back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels a little bit less final. And to me
Speaker 2: because I do make a lot of emotional purchases or
Speaker 2: have you know, keep things for a long time, it
Speaker 2: feels a little bit safer.
Speaker 1: That's a really great thing too, because everyone always says
Speaker 1: just put in the bag and throw it out, but
Speaker 1: there's actually I think it would be really horrible and
Speaker 1: haunting people to regret the things. Okay, so from my
Speaker 1: four bags actually that I have. Last weekend I got
Speaker 1: two outfits out of fancy and I wore them. But
Speaker 1: had I not done this massive wardrobe plane out, I
Speaker 1: would not be aware that they were even there. And
Speaker 1: I wore them with intention. I enjoyed them, And so
Speaker 1: it's a really great thing to do. It's almost like
Speaker 1: you give yourself two steps.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like a bit of a stock take
Speaker 2: Who am I now? Who do I want to be?
Speaker 2: Am I close to being her?
Speaker 1: What have I got? Yeah? And bringing a piece or
Speaker 1: an outfit in that just gently pushes you more towards
Speaker 1: that version, because which as we said, we're constantly evolving.
Speaker 1: There is something we're getting to, yes, and that's exciting,
Speaker 1: and so you're allowed to just edge a little forward
Speaker 1: towards that version and try something new. And I always say,
Speaker 1: because we go into shops and I call it like
Speaker 1: fashion blinkers, where you walk in and you if you
Speaker 1: love black, you kind of just naturally go to the black,
Speaker 1: or if you love what it's going to be.
Speaker 2: My next question, why do I keep buying denim chean
Speaker 2: bray shirts. I love them, but I don't need another
Speaker 2: one and the three I love the most are enough?
Speaker 2: But do you find that people either have more than
Speaker 2: they need of one item? And is that a safety thing?
Speaker 2: What does that kind of mean?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Yeah, absolutely, most people will have many
Speaker 1: versions of the same thing in their wardrobe. And look,
Speaker 1: there's an element of it being practical because you know,
Speaker 1: you love it, it works on you, and you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna wear it. But there's also a thing I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't need thirty and that's getting weird. And that's
Speaker 1: where it is like for me, shoes, Like there's only
Speaker 1: two feet that I have, but I you can only
Speaker 1: wear two shoes a day. I know, exactly. Well, you
Speaker 1: might wear odd ones.
Speaker 2: So that you can at least get two pairs ticked off.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you're realistic.
Speaker 1: So I think that we have these kind of soft
Speaker 1: spots with different things, and it's often something that we
Speaker 1: think looks good on us so and often connected even
Speaker 1: to like a body part that you feel good with. Like,
Speaker 1: so some people they love their upper body, so you'll
Speaker 1: see them buy like so many of the same kind
Speaker 1: of different versions of that top. Yes, some people love
Speaker 1: pants and they'll have forty different pairs of jeans because
Speaker 1: they love their bart or legs or whatever is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, it's shoes, you know, I love it, and
Speaker 1: I think that it shows you where you're comfort is
Speaker 1: and where you know you're going to look good. It
Speaker 1: takes out the fear of you looking at being unflattering.
Speaker 1: You know. It works. But the same time, it is
Speaker 1: like a bit of a stuck in a right. It's
Speaker 1: a bit of that broken record that's playing the same
Speaker 1: thing and you need say like no, and you only
Speaker 1: wear your favorite version of it anyway, So it's just wasteful.
Speaker 1: So you have to just at some point put a
Speaker 1: quota and say, like I'm.
Speaker 2: Allowed however many So you mentioned micro data points in
Speaker 2: what people wear, you can see those.
Speaker 1: What's a micro data point? Okay, so you know the
Speaker 1: idea of the subconscious mind and how when you get
Speaker 1: a gut instinct about someone, it's really based on so
Speaker 1: many very complex psychological analysis that you've done that express
Speaker 1: itself in a moment as a gut reaction.
Speaker 2: Yes, which is always right, by the way, always. I
Speaker 2: don't know about for men, but my gut is always right,
Speaker 2: and when you get older you learn to trust it.
Speaker 2: So I have that same thing when it comes to clothing,
Speaker 2: and it's not just me, like I've been able to
Speaker 2: articulate it and explain it to people, but all of
Speaker 2: us judge each other within a tenth of a second,
Speaker 2: and we do it without me to don't judge a
Speaker 2: book by its cover. But I think it's a survival
Speaker 2: thing from like primal days.
Speaker 1: It is okay, good, Yeah, it's like are they going
Speaker 1: to eat me? Should I run? Exactly? And sometimes you should,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to dating. But yeah, So really,
Speaker 1: what I've found is that when I look at someone's clothing,
Speaker 1: I will notice the smallest microdata points. So it might
Speaker 1: be the condition of their shoes, the shape of it.
Speaker 1: Are they square toe they pointy? Are they brown? Are
Speaker 1: they black? Are they more conservative? What kind of jeens?
Speaker 1: Are they going baggy? Is it distress? Is it completely
Speaker 1: on trend? Is it the it gene? They need to
Speaker 1: have an ass today? Are they dress conservative but they
Speaker 1: have wild manicures? Is there kind of some contrast contradiction
Speaker 1: of like who they have to be, but who they
Speaker 1: really are that's fighting through? Do they have a necklace
Speaker 1: that is you know, a big name brand that's kind
Speaker 1: of subscribing to that version of what's considered you know,
Speaker 1: aspiration or is it sentimental?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: Was it a family heirloom? And that's the kind of
Speaker 1: so you can get a sense of there are really,
Speaker 1: depending on what you're wearing, potentially thousands of microdata points
Speaker 1: that reveal different decision making processes. It occurred because every
Speaker 1: time you get dressed, whether you are aware of it
Speaker 1: or not, there is a subconscious decision making process that
Speaker 1: says a word of infinite choices at pretty much every
Speaker 1: price point these days, Yes, I am choosing to wear
Speaker 1: this as a second skin as I walk through my life. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so it's not so much the clothing. It's the
Speaker 1: decision that drew that person to that piece. Yes, to
Speaker 1: say that you're able to analyze that, So I have
Speaker 1: had this, I think a truly god given worst kind
Speaker 1: of analysis.
Speaker 2: In off it sounds exhausting. I'm the least observant person
Speaker 2: in the world. But I'm just if you said you
Speaker 2: know that dress you all yesterdaily, I wouldn't remember. I'd
Speaker 2: like to be a bit more observed. But for you,
Speaker 2: it sounds so intrinsic that it just happens almost subconsciously.
Speaker 1: It does, It really does. But there's also the thing
Speaker 1: where because when you write a book, how to tell
Speaker 1: them my shoes, how to tell them by your handbag,
Speaker 1: when you do a TV show undress chatronized, where you
Speaker 1: read people strangers, and of course when you go to
Speaker 1: a party you become like it's like, yes, it's like
Speaker 1: if you learn if you're like a croupier, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's a dangerous thing to go to
Speaker 1: like a cards night anyway, So people will ask me.
Speaker 1: And so even though I'm always reading people, and we're
Speaker 1: all all reading people to varying degrees, like you may
Speaker 1: not realize it, but you by the way might not
Speaker 1: remember what they were were I they made me feel,
Speaker 1: but you remember what you and also not just how
Speaker 1: they made you feel, but also like how you felt
Speaker 1: about them and how you position them and which category
Speaker 1: of person you put very very true, and you won't
Speaker 1: have realized why you came to that conclusion, but that
Speaker 1: is occurring for you. I've just verbalized it in a
Speaker 1: way that you probably internalized, and so I think that
Speaker 1: it's a really interesting skill. But when I am asked
Speaker 1: to read someone, I kind of go into a different
Speaker 1: part of myself. It's it's almost like it's really bad
Speaker 1: to film because I really go like, no, I love it.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating because I then really seek to understand that person.
Speaker 2: And if someone knows they're going to meet you, I
Speaker 2: wonder if that's a bit tricky. I think you would
Speaker 2: probably tell more about someone on how they dress day
Speaker 2: to day rather than what they choose to wear to
Speaker 2: that wedding. You know that oftentimes you would encounter people,
Speaker 2: but it's surely it's the day to day stuff that
Speaker 2: we put on that's really who we are.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is, but it's both, you know, because then
Speaker 1: you can put in the context of like Okay for
Speaker 1: a fancy dress event they've chosen to wear that. That's true.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of so you know, so there's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: but I always it's so funny. You always meet people
Speaker 1: and often men will be like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I never wear these, and I'm looking at the shoes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well someone is they're not brand new? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's really fun. It's always I always have this
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, whatever I find you wearing is
Speaker 1: what I meant to see you in. And it's never judgmental.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I think action could be so judgmental.
Speaker 1: And even with creating high Hill Jungle, I want it
Speaker 1: to be freedom, not restriction. I want us to feel seen,
Speaker 1: not judged.
Speaker 2: And that's because that's why so many people do play
Speaker 2: it safe or get stuck as they do feel judged.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Not people think it's fashion is not
Speaker 1: something that they know about. Yeah, and never have.
Speaker 2: Permission that although'll be superficial. You know, often we all
Speaker 2: have to wear clothes. So you've been many people over
Speaker 2: your life and continually troublesomewhere. Make it to my husband
Speaker 2: for yourself, I know mine too, and you can see
Speaker 2: that reflected in your wardrobe, as you said, So, what's
Speaker 2: an item that's kind of been with you on the journey.
Speaker 1: Or that you haven't gotten rid of yet? And why?
Speaker 1: I have this incredible burbery trench coat that belonged to
Speaker 1: my mother and she bought it in London and it's
Speaker 1: in perfect condition and I love it, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's just one of those pieces that is as timeless
Speaker 1: now as it was. Then Do you wear it? I
Speaker 1: do wear it. I do wear it. I don't. I
Speaker 1: think if I live somewhere other than Sydney, I would
Speaker 1: wear it more.
Speaker 3: So maybe I'm just go to London and recreate the
Speaker 3: sixties or seventies there.
Speaker 1: But I love it, and I think clothing carries so
Speaker 1: many memories. Sometimes cool say that's like a photograph and
Speaker 1: your wardrobe it is. It's a photograph and it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful piece that takes me My mom passed away a
Speaker 1: few years ago, and it's She's there in my wardrobe
Speaker 1: and so I love it. So there are some pieces
Speaker 1: that I do wear and is such a time of things,
Speaker 1: But you don't have to get rid of things that
Speaker 1: hold beautiful memories, as you said, like a photograph. There
Speaker 1: are some pieces that I allow, just like with your
Speaker 1: kid's clothing or whatever it is, I'm allowed. They're not
Speaker 1: going to fit into a clear out. And I think
Speaker 1: you're allowed to have that because I think you know,
Speaker 1: scent is so closely connected to memory, but I think
Speaker 1: clothing is as well. For sure. Oh I love that.
Speaker 2: But speaking of your shoes and your brand, High Heeled Jungle,
Speaker 2: So how did that come about?
Speaker 1: And tell us more well? So I was working as
Speaker 1: a reporter covering entertainment, and many times a day I
Speaker 1: would have to change my clothes, and I thought this
Speaker 1: is really, first of all, exhausting, unsustainable, It's terrible. I thought,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if I could just literally change
Speaker 1: like one thing and I had a whole new I
Speaker 1: won't say dress, put on like some And I started
Speaker 1: making these really incredible socks and then tights that were
Speaker 1: just a real point of view, that were this kind
Speaker 1: of glitch in the matrix to my outfit and punctuated
Speaker 1: it without me having to buy a whole new wardrobe.
Speaker 2: And when you say making them, like literally at the
Speaker 2: start physically making it, you start making them for myself.
Speaker 1: I was living in La and What happened immediately was
Speaker 1: some of the biggest stars in the world would stop
Speaker 1: mid interview and be like, just what are those like
Speaker 1: sheer socks you're wearing with those heels or what are they?
Speaker 1: I need them? And I have all these videos where
Speaker 1: I'm like, please don't use up my five minue, we'll
Speaker 1: exactly where they're like socks, socks, socks and that. I
Speaker 1: would literally take them off and they would put them
Speaker 1: on mid interview. They love them so much because it
Speaker 1: was so different. It was wild, you know. And so
Speaker 1: I started producing them and making and bringing it to set,
Speaker 1: and very very quickly, you know. I remember Zoe Saldana
Speaker 1: post was one of the first to post this thing,
Speaker 1: just like obsessed with these socks. And then we got
Speaker 1: picked up by a big store at the time in
Speaker 1: La called fred Siegel. And this was when you weren't
Speaker 1: making them handmade. No. Now I'd gone introduction and I
Speaker 1: went into production. Exactly, I can't give interview making something
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding.
Speaker 3: Exactly learning damn those crystals maybe more simple?
Speaker 1: Why so intricate? And so the business just really started
Speaker 1: from that, and I really thought, you know, clothing and fashion,
Speaker 1: it's really such an oversaturated market and amazing socks, tights, accessories, gloves,
Speaker 1: all these pieces that really, as I say, like punctuate
Speaker 1: and outfit and give you a point of view without
Speaker 1: you having to buy an entire wardrobe. Was such a
Speaker 1: overlook sleepy category that was just totally completely everyone was
Speaker 1: just like a nude, you.
Speaker 2: Know, royal family style thing or like there was just
Speaker 2: nothing but your black pegs.
Speaker 1: She is great, You're done exactly, And I thought, what
Speaker 1: if you just injected some personality and personal style so
Speaker 1: you could even if you didn't feel like taking a
Speaker 1: big risk, you could wear whatever it is even you're
Speaker 1: like loafers and added like a beautiful glitter sock or something.
Speaker 1: And so that's how High Hill Jungle started. And then
Speaker 1: we just got start. Roughly how long ago we talking.
Speaker 1: I could tell exactly when it was. It was eight
Speaker 1: years ago because I was nine months pregnant with my
Speaker 1: second child, and I remember Lapid in the Youngest Style
Speaker 1: is coming up to me pointing at my socks and
Speaker 1: saying they're amazing, like I can't remember which one I.
Speaker 3: Know, and I said, oh, I launch a launch in
Speaker 3: a month, and he looked at me like I was
Speaker 3: going to launch.
Speaker 1: The baby Aline and I literally was like I did
Speaker 1: launch both of them at the same time. And now
Speaker 1: it's kind of became all encompassing, and it's become because
Speaker 1: it's a lot more than that. Now. So where are
Speaker 1: we at now? So now we're you know, one of
Speaker 1: the fastest growing accessory and hosary brands in America. So
Speaker 1: we're a nord stream and free people in anthropology and topology.
Speaker 1: I love anthropology, but it's more than stockings and socks.
Speaker 1: What else do you Okay, so amazing socks and tights,
Speaker 1: beautiful like leather gloves, some lace pants which had become
Speaker 1: hugely popular. We just had the fastest Australian woman ever
Speaker 1: just wore it in the cover, which is.
Speaker 2: Really leather jacket, leather and leather jacket and designing.
Speaker 1: The perfect forever leather jacket, the one that you will
Speaker 1: not ever get out of your wach you can stop searching.
Speaker 1: It was that so fun. It was so fun because.
Speaker 2: I've had like, just like you with your shirt, my
Speaker 2: leather jackets.
Speaker 1: I must say, yeah, so I had spent my whole
Speaker 1: life and it's an expensive thing to get wrong, you know,
Speaker 1: So I kept on buying again. And again the leather
Speaker 1: jacket just and it wasn't just exactly right. And then
Speaker 1: I think this is what I do. I have a
Speaker 1: fashion label. I'm just even though it didn't clearly make
Speaker 1: sense connected it, I was like, I just have to make.
Speaker 2: This, and I for me on the outside, it does
Speaker 2: because you know that didn't exist, so you made it
Speaker 2: that didn't exist, So you made it, yes, And I
Speaker 2: think that's the way if you live your life that way,
Speaker 2: that you're not the only person that.
Speaker 1: Is also looking for that or didn't even know they
Speaker 1: were until you made it. So so it's called the
Speaker 1: Margo leather jacket, and I use the best Italian leather
Speaker 1: in the world.
Speaker 2: I did to stroke you before. It was delicious. It's
Speaker 2: like edible.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to keep touching it, but I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be unprofessional. No, I would have loved that.
Speaker 2: Tell me more about your brand. So you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 2: it's casually dropped a few names there, CELEBSA celebs. I
Speaker 2: hate saying CELEBSA. You know, people that we love and
Speaker 2: follow have worn the brand. So tell me a little
Speaker 2: bit more.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's really wild, to be honest, because every day, No,
Speaker 1: I would say, twice a week, okay, twice a week,
Speaker 1: I will get an email in my inbox from the
Speaker 1: biggest stylists in the world saying, can we I can't
Speaker 1: say what I got last night in a class, but
Speaker 1: it's insane. Last week it was dressed sure, and it
Speaker 1: makes total sense. Doja cat her whole world tour, her
Speaker 1: amazing styles. Literally, Doja loves it wood, so she she
Speaker 1: wore high Hill Jungle of her entire world to and.
Speaker 2: You do a collaboration with Share and her like fishnets
Speaker 2: from that boat video.
Speaker 1: I know, isn't that good? That's all I think of
Speaker 1: When you just said that, I was like, that's perfect. Well,
Speaker 1: they are her stylist whose iconic patty was said, oh,
Speaker 1: can we hang on to them so we can wear
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, you can hang on to them.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, yes, exactly we've got But
Speaker 1: you know, but the Kardashians when I first launched, we
Speaker 1: got an email saying that they wanted to all wear
Speaker 1: it for the opening credits of Keeping Up with the Kardashians,
Speaker 1: and they've since worn it various things that Kylie and
Speaker 1: and Kim and Haley Bieber and Doja cat I told you,
Speaker 1: but like Chapel Rome, Sabrina Carpenter, like everyone, and it's
Speaker 1: so amazing because what's really cool, So these people often
Speaker 1: get paid to wear brands and they can have access
Speaker 1: to everything in the world, and it's such a huge
Speaker 1: compliment that they have found high Hell Jungle sorted out,
Speaker 1: emailed and asked can we wear it for these huge
Speaker 1: you know, usbo covers and things like that, and it's
Speaker 1: I'm always like, how did you find? It's always so
Speaker 1: amazing to see that. I was trying to understand why
Speaker 1: they would do it, you know, because it was just
Speaker 1: on the cover the Push Skep Doles just wore it
Speaker 1: all on the cover and it's us in Saint Lauren
Speaker 1: and it's these stylus and these artists aren't looking to
Speaker 1: necessarily follow trends. They really are icons in fashion because
Speaker 1: they create the trends and they're looking for something that's new,
Speaker 1: that's ancie everywhere, and so you know, we've had enormous
Speaker 1: you know, we've been so lucky and we've never paid anyone.
Speaker 1: It's been totally organic and they love it and it's
Speaker 1: a huge compliment. But it's equally a compliment when I
Speaker 1: walk down the street and I see some woman, you know,
Speaker 1: in Sydney or wherever it is, who's gone out and
Speaker 1: of all the things she.
Speaker 2: Could have bought, bought our brand, see it in the
Speaker 2: wild and still pretty cool, the.
Speaker 1: Coolest. Yeah, I've got a very small skincare brand.
Speaker 2: But I was driving somewhere, you know, half an hour
Speaker 2: away from my home the other day, and I saw
Speaker 2: one of our like crumpled up boxes sitting on the
Speaker 2: top of someone's.
Speaker 1: Bin, and I was like, oh, to provide it's in
Speaker 1: the wild. I don't know who lives here. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going to get a restraining on, but I know it is.
Speaker 1: It's the coolest thing. And that's the coolest thing. And
Speaker 1: if you look at like your career, micro and all
Speaker 1: this thing, it's like the idea that something starts in
Speaker 1: your head and then you get to like bring it
Speaker 1: into the world and then someone likes it, do what
Speaker 1: likes it. It's so it's so exciting for all the
Speaker 1: hard work, you just think, oh, I'm so lucky. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and talented, you're very talented. You're very talented too.
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, we're going to cover Boogie
Speaker 2: to Budget. Catherine is telling us about three amazing leather jackets,
Speaker 2: and I've got a mishmash of accessories for this weird
Speaker 2: time of year.
Speaker 1: It's very expensive. How wud are these bougie and budget time?
Speaker 1: My friend?
Speaker 2: Well, you've wore the most incredible leather jacket in here,
Speaker 2: which I think you're going to talk about. So your
Speaker 2: category is leather jackets. Do you want to start at
Speaker 2: the affordable end or the expensive end?
Speaker 1: Oh? What do you think? Let's start low?
Speaker 2: Okay, let's start low and then go to unders. Okay,
Speaker 2: what's your affordable? Affordable leather jacket?
Speaker 1: Is by Meshki. It's the faux leather crop jacket. It's
Speaker 1: called Page and it comes in a cherry brown. It's
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty nine dollars. It is faux leather. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so people some people prefer that. But it's cute. It's cropped,
Speaker 1: it has the kind of crossover button here, it has
Speaker 1: the elasticized waist, but it's a little bit oversized.
Speaker 2: So it's that bombas style bombs, not biker, because I've
Speaker 2: buy some bikers from before.
Speaker 1: Bikers are a current having a little break.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got an extensive biker so it's staying in
Speaker 2: the wardrobe.
Speaker 1: It will come back.
Speaker 2: It has to because I spent way too much on
Speaker 2: that jacket. Amazing, and you know what, you're also wearing
Speaker 2: Meshki today. I love Mesheki and forgot about it, so
Speaker 2: thank you. Really good quality for the price.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I agree, I love it. No, I
Speaker 1: think it's a really you don't have to spend a
Speaker 1: fortune to look expens middle of the road. Tell me
Speaker 1: about this guy exactly. It's anything but middle of the road.
Speaker 1: Its approaching. It is high hill jungles. The Margo Nappa
Speaker 1: leather jacket as this is a jacket that is forever.
Speaker 1: It's the softest Italian n Apple leather. It's like butter.
Speaker 1: It will get better with years and years, ten twenty
Speaker 1: years from their own. It has a funnel neck if
Speaker 1: you want it to be, but it can wear it
Speaker 1: down so when that style isn't so hot, it will
Speaker 1: still be timeless. Slightly oversized, bomber Lasser size ways. You
Speaker 1: can wear it so many different ways, and it is
Speaker 1: something that you can wear. It's got a beautiful pebbled
Speaker 1: leather to it.
Speaker 2: And I love repass that you speak with. I can
Speaker 2: tell why you designed her. You needed her to be
Speaker 2: all of these elements, and so you made her exactly.
Speaker 1: I want it to be tactile, I want to smell delicious.
Speaker 1: I want it to be soft. I want to wear
Speaker 1: it with jeaned I want to wear it with over
Speaker 1: a suit. I want to wear it over a slip
Speaker 1: dress to an evening function. It's that piece that I
Speaker 1: will cost per wear is going to be the best investment, right,
Speaker 1: hit me with the cost twenty two hundred.
Speaker 2: Great, now you're bougie, let's go higher. Tell me how
Speaker 2: high can you go?
Speaker 1: Seriously? But you really can? You really can. When it
Speaker 1: comes to a leather jacket, because it is that forever piece.
Speaker 1: So it's Saint Laurent. It is their bomber jacket, very
Speaker 1: good quality leather. The midway run is a little bit better,
Speaker 1: but it's got a really cool oversized cut to it.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit larger and so it's really kind
Speaker 1: of going down that direction, a little less timeless, but
Speaker 1: got a lot of edge, a lot of fashion cred,
Speaker 1: a little like off duty model, off Judy look, and
Speaker 1: very very cool. What are we talking for a Saint
Speaker 1: Laurent leather jacket these days? That is drum roll please,
Speaker 1: nearly eleven thousand, oh, my.
Speaker 2: Godfather, nearly eleven thousand dollars. Well, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: if you win the lotto.
Speaker 1: Exactly, you could like a house or a new car
Speaker 1: for your child, or love.
Speaker 2: Education, yes, school books, don't know you know, I get
Speaker 2: it and it's there and some people might buy.
Speaker 1: And that's why we do.
Speaker 2: Booshie your budget one hundred percent, no judge, you can exactly,
Speaker 2: no judgment.
Speaker 1: We all love fashion. Just make sure you wear it
Speaker 1: and take the tag off my boosie.
Speaker 2: And budget's a bit of a mistil, well, because we're
Speaker 2: in this time of year where you want winter to
Speaker 2: be over, but realistically it's still winter here.
Speaker 1: You're not going to buy any new winter.
Speaker 2: Some summer drops are happening, but you can't picture who
Speaker 2: you are in summer yet, so you're not shopping and
Speaker 2: you maybe just want to wear what you've got accessories
Speaker 2: is the outside. That's what I did today. I'm wearing
Speaker 2: quite a boring outfit. We've discussed. It looks like black
Speaker 2: pants and a blazer, but I chucked on some yellow heels.
Speaker 1: I've got a yellow bag, and then I chucked on
Speaker 1: some necklaces. So these aren't new, they're from my wardrobes.
Speaker 2: I've got. You know version of my Bougie is the
Speaker 2: Mason to Say Bye.
Speaker 1: It's called the soft Trio Bag.
Speaker 2: It is five hundred and fifty nine dollars for a
Speaker 2: bright yellow handbag. It's a functional size. You will have
Speaker 2: it forever if you like color or like me. You know,
Speaker 2: we talked about my fancy yellow bag. At the moment,
Speaker 2: it's not a trend. It's actually quite hard to find
Speaker 2: yellow at the moment. They're still burgened everywhere. There's still
Speaker 2: chocolate everywhere, and it's.
Speaker 1: Not buttery yellow. It's not budy yellow, which is also everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I enjoy Yeah, but I just thought, I'm
Speaker 2: so bored of my wardrobe getting rest.
Speaker 1: This s wrning.
Speaker 2: So I grabbed a bright yellow bag and some you know,
Speaker 2: yellow shoes. So it's a pretty beautiful bag. And their
Speaker 2: bags are very good quality, and you could spend three
Speaker 2: thousand easily.
Speaker 1: See that's great. I love that, and I think it's
Speaker 1: I love that it's expensive but fun ye playful, because
Speaker 1: I think we never want to not be fun and playful,
Speaker 1: so that's never good and not brandy.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, you don't want to scream
Speaker 2: a brand if you are also doing color, and also
Speaker 2: if you just want to keep it forever.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and it's very chic. You not have
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, I don't know this, I don't
Speaker 1: own this bad I'm.
Speaker 3: Giving you full credit, this fictitious outfit and piece that
Speaker 3: you don't know.
Speaker 1: Now my middle of the road. It is my shoe.
Speaker 2: So the brand is Lost Carbos. It's on the Iconic
Speaker 2: and it's called the Zane Mule. It comes in a
Speaker 2: bunch of different colors. Yeah, seventy nine ninety five. It's
Speaker 2: a bright canary yellow Swede and it's literally a low,
Speaker 2: little block heel slip it on. Not my favorite style
Speaker 2: of shoe normally if it was a boring color.
Speaker 1: It's a block heel, you see. Yeah, it's a block.
Speaker 2: Heel like yeah, kind of kitten height, yeah, but instead
Speaker 2: of a stiletto block heel and then just that one
Speaker 2: sort of thick strap. There are some safer colors, but
Speaker 2: I think in the canary yellow you can walk. Yes.
Speaker 2: The color does the talking yes, and they're really comfortable.
Speaker 2: I like it, and I think when you commit to
Speaker 2: something that's so bright like that. It's almost like, you
Speaker 2: know how leopard print is a neutral.
Speaker 1: I think if you go like so bright with a
Speaker 1: color like a yellow, yes, you're not trying. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna wear an all yellow outfit exactly. You're allowed for
Speaker 1: it to clash and not go with anything else, so
Speaker 1: it kind of becomes a weird neutral as well.
Speaker 2: That's exactly my thought. You know, it's that whole wrong
Speaker 2: shoe theory, A we're doing whole wrong accessory theorist.
Speaker 1: It's all wrong and it couldn't be all right. But
Speaker 1: if you get yellow and too high, you're not going
Speaker 1: to wear them.
Speaker 2: If they're yellow and comfortable, at least you'll wear them
Speaker 2: because you don't want to take and yellow too.
Speaker 1: High could go very wrong very quickly. You know. That
Speaker 1: was a little bit like a tweatybird with a little
Speaker 1: bit of porn.
Speaker 2: I bought them for a fancy dress party exactly, and
Speaker 2: then my budget is it's actually one necklace. I was
Speaker 2: inspired by what I put on this morning. So interestingly,
Speaker 2: when you said people will wear a sentimental peace Since
Speaker 2: my mom passed away this year, I've not taken off
Speaker 2: her little coin necklace that she wore every day of
Speaker 2: my whole life. But I was like, come on, put
Speaker 2: something on these a set of three that I'm wearing
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: They're from Kmart. I just didn't put the third one. Wow,
Speaker 1: I know, really can I noticed them minute I saw you,
Speaker 1: and my son made me buy them because he's seven,
Speaker 1: and we go to Camart to get lego and then
Speaker 1: of course I have to look at things so they're available.
Speaker 2: But also there's something beautiful on eahem at the moment.
Speaker 2: They've just had a new I guess their first spring
Speaker 2: summer drop. But I just looked at the accessories. It's
Speaker 2: the H and M heart chain necklace. It's thirty four
Speaker 2: to ninety nine. It's just a big, sort of chunky,
Speaker 2: almost like choka, and each big heart is.
Speaker 1: Silver and gold silver, gold, silver. Girl, I feel like
Speaker 1: I want to see this. I have to show you
Speaker 1: a photo.
Speaker 2: It's thirty five dollars and it's just a really great
Speaker 2: way this time of year to go.
Speaker 1: I'm so bored. There's something fun.
Speaker 2: We look at each other in the eye, so it's
Speaker 2: nice to, you know, add something a bit exciting near
Speaker 2: the face, near the face.
Speaker 1: I love it. You know what I love about your selection?
Speaker 1: It's like unapologetic.
Speaker 2: Yes there's something just really I just know what I
Speaker 2: like and I don't well, I do care if it's
Speaker 2: really expensive, but I am very I love going to
Speaker 2: came out and going that was seven dollars, because anyone
Speaker 2: can spend three hundred dollars on something nice.
Speaker 1: But when it's cheap and good, no, do you know?
Speaker 1: I have the same. I constantly try and imagine I'm
Speaker 1: in some television challenge where I have to go into
Speaker 1: market and be like, let me put together the best outfit.
Speaker 1: I find the T shirts that came up an amazing
Speaker 1: quite good quality cotton. I love it. I think if
Speaker 1: you really love fashion, if you really do have a
Speaker 1: sense of personal style, you can do something anywhere, almost anywhere.
Speaker 1: I agree, you're amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I want to take you around the
Speaker 2: office and find out all more about my coworkers.
Speaker 1: You'll have to join me again soon. But thank you
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