WEBVTT - Fashion Expert Kathryn Eisman On Reading A Person Through Their Outfit 0:00:08.234 --> 0:00:10.953 You're listening to a Mom with mea podcast. 0:00:15.914 --> 0:00:19.274 Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed. 0:00:18.914 --> 0:00:22.913 Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to 0:00:23.034 --> 0:00:24.634 do it. You live for fashion. 0:00:26.514 --> 0:00:28.834 Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 0:00:28.874 --> 0:00:29.834 solves fashion. 0:00:29.514 --> 0:00:31.314 Problems and levels up your wardrobe. 0:00:31.554 --> 0:00:34.554 I'm Lee Campbell, and today I'm joined by a guest 0:00:34.634 --> 0:00:38.553 with a very special talent. Today I'm joined by Katherine Eisman, 0:00:38.714 --> 0:00:41.873 an Emmy nominator journalist and author and the founder of 0:00:41.913 --> 0:00:45.473 fashion label High Heel Jungle. Katherine has an uncanny knack. 0:00:45.634 --> 0:00:48.153 She can look at an accessory someone's wearing and tell 0:00:48.193 --> 0:00:51.114 everything about them. So we're going to talk through the 0:00:51.273 --> 0:00:54.554 micro data points we wear without even knowing it and 0:00:54.594 --> 0:00:55.834 what it says about us. 0:00:55.914 --> 0:00:56.673 Plus how to go. 0:00:56.634 --> 0:00:59.154 Into our own wardrobes and work out who we really 0:00:59.154 --> 0:01:01.474 are right now and make sure that's reflected in what 0:01:01.554 --> 0:01:01.914 we wear. 0:01:02.314 --> 0:01:04.753 Catherine, Welcome for Nothing to Wear. Thank you so much 0:01:04.754 --> 0:01:06.834 for having me. We have so much to cover, but 0:01:06.914 --> 0:01:09.474 let's start at the start. Who are you and where 0:01:09.474 --> 0:01:13.234 did your career begin? Okay, well who am I? That 0:01:13.434 --> 0:01:15.394 I can't answer? But where are the career began? Are 0:01:15.394 --> 0:01:19.514 you today exactly in this moment. I started my career 0:01:19.674 --> 0:01:25.754 the very beginning, as a model, average one, and I 0:01:25.794 --> 0:01:29.554 studied communications and journalism. And actually it was while I 0:01:29.714 --> 0:01:33.074 was modeling that I discovered this. I was sitting on 0:01:33.074 --> 0:01:35.874 the floor and I saw these men's shoes walking past, 0:01:35.954 --> 0:01:38.234 and I was playing a game with myself, like I 0:01:38.274 --> 0:01:39.594 bet it's this guy, I bet it's that guy, and 0:01:39.634 --> 0:01:43.194 thinking about characteristics. Anyway, see the shoes. I could only 0:01:43.194 --> 0:01:43.474 see the. 0:01:43.474 --> 0:01:46.194 Shin date that show blind date, but yeah, exactly, and 0:01:46.194 --> 0:01:47.674 then I would look up and be like, oh, I 0:01:47.754 --> 0:01:51.154 test myself anyway. That became the beginning of what became 0:01:51.234 --> 0:01:53.074 my career, I guess was my first book a long 0:01:53.114 --> 0:01:54.674 time ago, called How to Tell a Man by His 0:01:54.714 --> 0:01:58.554 Shoes and this lifelong passion that I've had for connecting 0:01:58.634 --> 0:02:01.554 the clothes that we wear and the deepest parts of 0:02:01.594 --> 0:02:05.474 who we are as people. And I went to New 0:02:05.554 --> 0:02:08.154 York on that book tour, ended up beaming a reporter 0:02:08.394 --> 0:02:11.274 for NBC New York, and. 0:02:11.353 --> 0:02:13.554 Which was not part of the plan. I'm guessing it 0:02:13.674 --> 0:02:16.194 wasn't had so many different plans, and back in the day, 0:02:16.314 --> 0:02:18.354 I felt that you really had to pick a lane. 0:02:18.434 --> 0:02:21.394 It wasn't like now where you can become your own industry. 0:02:21.714 --> 0:02:24.114 I wanted to write. I loved writing, but I also 0:02:24.394 --> 0:02:25.874 did love television. 0:02:25.394 --> 0:02:28.514 And I and with the you know, the education after modeling, 0:02:28.554 --> 0:02:29.314 it makes sense. 0:02:29.514 --> 0:02:33.034 But yeah, I write place right time exactly. I wrote 0:02:33.034 --> 0:02:35.234 the book. The book became a bestseller. It really changed 0:02:35.234 --> 0:02:37.674 my life in many ways. I moved to New York 0:02:38.034 --> 0:02:41.194 and had the most extraordinary time working as a reporter 0:02:41.594 --> 0:02:44.954 journalist for NBC at thirty Rock and just learning so 0:02:45.154 --> 0:02:48.674 much so quickly. And then I ended up working television 0:02:48.794 --> 0:02:51.114 a long time, writing columns, writing books, doing a TV 0:02:51.274 --> 0:02:54.834 series called Undressed, all about the link between the clothing 0:02:54.874 --> 0:02:56.554 that we were in the person we are. Worked for 0:02:56.994 --> 0:03:00.034 E News, had a fashion and lifestyle and then launched 0:03:00.194 --> 0:03:04.274 High Hill Jungle by Katherine Eisband, which is my brand now. 0:03:04.314 --> 0:03:06.154 So we're going to talk more about that later because 0:03:06.194 --> 0:03:07.874 I love what I've seen so far. But I want 0:03:07.874 --> 0:03:10.154 to ask a few more questions about kind of this 0:03:10.234 --> 0:03:13.194 talent that you've got, so more on this skill of 0:03:13.234 --> 0:03:15.314 you know, seeing a shoe and then kind of guessing 0:03:15.354 --> 0:03:17.073 who the man is it's wearing them, that you got 0:03:17.074 --> 0:03:19.954 it pretty right most of the time. How did that 0:03:20.034 --> 0:03:22.554 evolve and how have you used that in your career since? 0:03:22.874 --> 0:03:25.074 Oh gosh, okay. Well, the first time I realized I 0:03:25.154 --> 0:03:29.234 had this ability in a very pragmatic way was I 0:03:29.314 --> 0:03:32.594 was on holiday with my dad in Italy and some 0:03:32.674 --> 0:03:35.074 guy came up to me to ask for directions at 0:03:35.114 --> 0:03:39.674 a train station Italy in Italian. Unfortunately I don't speak Italian. 0:03:39.714 --> 0:03:41.794 I would like to obviously looked you know, you weren't 0:03:41.794 --> 0:03:43.714 looking touristy, though you obviously looked the pace. I think 0:03:43.754 --> 0:03:45.074 when you hear the rest of the story, I looked 0:03:45.194 --> 0:03:48.674 very too. It's really interesting because I remember staring at 0:03:48.754 --> 0:03:52.154 him and reading what he was wearing and this oversized 0:03:52.154 --> 0:03:55.954 camel Kashmir code, and remember his brown monk strap leather shoes, 0:03:56.634 --> 0:04:00.034 and I remember thinking there was this really big disconnect 0:04:00.114 --> 0:04:04.434 between his face and hiss these very plush, beautiful, elegant clothes. 0:04:04.914 --> 0:04:08.714 My father came back and we really that the video 0:04:08.954 --> 0:04:11.674 cam quarter back in the day that had our whole 0:04:11.714 --> 0:04:15.194 holidays memories on it was missing, and I remember saying 0:04:15.194 --> 0:04:17.114 to my dad, I don't know how because I only 0:04:17.113 --> 0:04:18.834 saw one person, but it must have been this guy 0:04:18.873 --> 0:04:22.393 because his clothes didn't match his face. And the vibe 0:04:22.394 --> 0:04:24.234 you got when it was starting exactly I think we 0:04:24.313 --> 0:04:26.713 all get and to varying degrees, have this ability to 0:04:26.873 --> 0:04:30.193 read a person. There's so much that happens that's energetic 0:04:30.553 --> 0:04:33.234 and not necessarily what someone says. That's such a small 0:04:33.274 --> 0:04:35.033 part of it. But I never noticed their clothes. So 0:04:35.073 --> 0:04:37.354 this is where it gets interesting. And the clothing is 0:04:37.513 --> 0:04:40.954 really I think of clothing and it is is the 0:04:41.034 --> 0:04:45.833 external manifestation of your internal world. And there are so 0:04:45.993 --> 0:04:49.354 many clues that we don't realize that we're giving off. 0:04:49.753 --> 0:04:52.274 And it's not anything to do with how much money 0:04:52.274 --> 0:04:54.714 you spent or how fashionable or on trend you are, 0:04:55.154 --> 0:04:56.873 other than it maybe being that you want to be 0:04:56.953 --> 0:04:59.234 part of something and feel a sense of belonging, and 0:04:59.274 --> 0:05:02.113 maybe there is a certain kind of interest in newness 0:05:02.113 --> 0:05:04.553 and also a lack of kind of confident. There's different 0:05:04.594 --> 0:05:07.873 aspects to act, but it's really about are you dressing 0:05:08.073 --> 0:05:11.354 to be seen? Are you dressing to disappear? Are you 0:05:11.794 --> 0:05:14.674 kind of thrown together and creative and kind of have 0:05:14.873 --> 0:05:18.514 hazard and or are you very structured and buttoned up? 0:05:18.714 --> 0:05:21.753 What colors you wear? You know, what shapes. There's so 0:05:21.873 --> 0:05:27.873 many little iterations of clothing that really reveal how we're feeling, 0:05:28.193 --> 0:05:30.513 not just how we want to be perceived in the world, 0:05:30.553 --> 0:05:32.154 because I think a lot of people think of clothing 0:05:32.154 --> 0:05:33.714 when they think of it one step further than it 0:05:33.794 --> 0:05:37.194 being superficient. They think, Oh, it's about making a great impression. 0:05:37.313 --> 0:05:40.473 I'll look powerful, but maybe you're not feeling that, And yeah, 0:05:40.513 --> 0:05:43.313 and it's really about when you look in the mirror, 0:05:43.873 --> 0:05:47.633 are you seeing an authentic, positive representation of who you want? 0:05:47.674 --> 0:05:51.753 Because when that aligns, that's when someone has incredible personal style. 0:05:52.073 --> 0:05:55.193 That's when someone feels aligned. And so that's how I've 0:05:55.234 --> 0:05:58.753 always seen fashion as a form of empowerment and creative 0:05:58.753 --> 0:06:02.794 self expression and taking it away from people feeling judged 0:06:03.594 --> 0:06:05.113 or fearful of it. Yeah. 0:06:05.154 --> 0:06:07.394 So, however, those years, you know, you've had this talent 0:06:07.433 --> 0:06:09.914 for a long time, how has that influenced what you wear? 0:06:10.234 --> 0:06:11.714 Do you think about it more or you don't have 0:06:11.753 --> 0:06:13.354 to think about it, because I surely you've been through 0:06:13.393 --> 0:06:16.154 different life stages and ups and downs. How has that 0:06:16.193 --> 0:06:19.234 been reflected in how you've presented yourself with your outfits. 0:06:19.594 --> 0:06:22.593 Well, it's such a great question, because you really, even 0:06:22.633 --> 0:06:25.234 though I'm so hyper aware of it and I do 0:06:25.753 --> 0:06:29.273 read people, and it's a different kind of depth of 0:06:29.674 --> 0:06:31.513 insight that I have when I look at it through 0:06:31.594 --> 0:06:35.553 that land. I still am at the mercy of clothing 0:06:35.794 --> 0:06:38.513 expressing parts of me, the highs and the lows, so 0:06:38.594 --> 0:06:40.234 I can look like all of us. I can look 0:06:40.274 --> 0:06:43.914 through my wardrobe and see these very clearly defined chapters. 0:06:44.474 --> 0:06:46.113 And I often think, you know, the name of your 0:06:46.154 --> 0:06:49.753 podcast is like nothing to wear. And people often will say, oh, 0:06:49.794 --> 0:06:51.593 I have a you know, water full of clothes and 0:06:51.633 --> 0:06:54.914 nothing to wear. What you're really saying is that I 0:06:54.953 --> 0:06:57.393 don't know who to be. I don't know who to 0:06:57.433 --> 0:06:59.914 be today in this moment, and maybe the things that 0:06:59.914 --> 0:07:03.113 I'm seeing reflected back at me are an old version 0:07:03.113 --> 0:07:06.954 of myself that doesn't feel aligned in what I've had. 0:07:06.953 --> 0:07:09.474 That even when I came back. I went from Sydney, 0:07:09.474 --> 0:07:11.514 where I was wearing colorful, pretty dresses. I was twenty 0:07:11.554 --> 0:07:14.114 one when I moved to New York. I arrived in 0:07:14.154 --> 0:07:16.434 New York winter. Wow. You know, I feel like the 0:07:16.474 --> 0:07:19.913 tan leached out of my skin on entry, and within 0:07:19.953 --> 0:07:22.034 a couple, you know, a year, I was wearing all black. 0:07:22.514 --> 0:07:25.314 And then I moved to LA and was and worked 0:07:25.514 --> 0:07:28.354 so very different so different, and it worked in entertainment. 0:07:28.354 --> 0:07:30.434 I was at E News and it was the you know, 0:07:30.474 --> 0:07:31.953 the time where everyone was wearing I don't know if 0:07:31.994 --> 0:07:34.674 you remember, like it was the Galaxy dress, which was 0:07:34.914 --> 0:07:36.834 and then there was like a cheaper version of it, 0:07:36.874 --> 0:07:40.354 which was the black halo Jackie O dress, which was 0:07:40.634 --> 0:07:43.194 this kind of very body conscious and you had it 0:07:43.234 --> 0:07:45.674 in every color and I had that. 0:07:45.794 --> 0:07:47.834 You know, especially when you're on TV, that's a whole 0:07:47.874 --> 0:07:49.713 other degree, I think, when you're being seen by so 0:07:49.754 --> 0:07:52.314 many people all the time and wearing things new before 0:07:52.354 --> 0:07:55.874 social media when everyone wants new things for their grid post. 0:07:56.194 --> 0:07:58.273 But that was a whole different time, one hundred percent, 0:07:58.393 --> 0:08:00.434 so you and you can see that, and then you 0:08:00.474 --> 0:08:03.674 can also see when I came back to Australia, that 0:08:03.834 --> 0:08:06.994 whole wardrobe just felt so wrong here everyone was wearing 0:08:07.314 --> 0:08:09.954 fifty shades of beige when I felt like and it 0:08:09.994 --> 0:08:14.074 was everything's very oversized and more relaxed and natural fibers 0:08:14.114 --> 0:08:18.594 and many beautiful things. But this whole very Hollywood outfit, 0:08:18.834 --> 0:08:21.474 you know, wardrobe I had just felt so wrong. Yeah, 0:08:21.514 --> 0:08:24.994 and I had to refine myself as a person and 0:08:25.074 --> 0:08:29.954 also as a dresser in that version. But I think 0:08:29.953 --> 0:08:32.594 it's really exciting to like look at your wardrobe as 0:08:32.794 --> 0:08:33.914 chapters in your book. 0:08:33.674 --> 0:08:35.794 Of your life like a diary. It's a diary. 0:08:35.914 --> 0:08:38.114 I love that will be back with more of Catherine's 0:08:38.114 --> 0:08:56.794 incredible insights right after the break. I think also people 0:08:56.914 --> 0:08:59.154 might make the mistake where they have things in their 0:08:59.194 --> 0:09:01.434 wardrobe that they've had for a while, or even shopping now, 0:09:01.474 --> 0:09:03.674 I still do this. I buy things for who I 0:09:03.714 --> 0:09:06.674 want to be and it's just not realistic, it's not practical. 0:09:06.714 --> 0:09:09.194 I want to be comfortable, or I get it home 0:09:09.234 --> 0:09:10.874 and I think, you know, I'm forty four, can I 0:09:10.954 --> 0:09:11.314 wear that? 0:09:11.354 --> 0:09:13.274 Which is a whole other dilemma as you can. 0:09:13.114 --> 0:09:15.434 But yes, that's what I tell everyone here, but you know, 0:09:15.434 --> 0:09:17.234 it still goes through my head. So not only do 0:09:17.274 --> 0:09:18.954 we have things from our past, but we kind of 0:09:18.994 --> 0:09:20.394 are projecting where. 0:09:20.234 --> 0:09:22.074 We thought our life would be it would like to be. 0:09:22.234 --> 0:09:24.514 Do you see that as well? One hundred percent? Yeah, 0:09:24.554 --> 0:09:28.394 you really can see different versions of who you want 0:09:28.434 --> 0:09:31.514 to be, not just who you've outgrown sometimes, which is 0:09:31.554 --> 0:09:34.714 definitely the case. But I think it's really interesting when 0:09:34.714 --> 0:09:36.394 you look in your wordsrop and you see the pieces 0:09:36.434 --> 0:09:38.874 that still have the tags on them, because that was 0:09:39.394 --> 0:09:43.314 that was some fantasy, a version of me and version 0:09:43.354 --> 0:09:45.714 of you that you felt like you want to buy 0:09:45.754 --> 0:09:48.194 into it quite literally at ever, and it's not you, 0:09:48.194 --> 0:09:50.634 you know, And every time you've tried to put it on, 0:09:51.314 --> 0:09:53.833 you've taken it off and put it back. What does 0:09:53.874 --> 0:09:56.194 that say? And that says, well, it depends what it is, 0:09:56.234 --> 0:10:00.554 but it definitely sometimes there's a version waiting for us 0:10:00.594 --> 0:10:02.674 to discover that we do want to be and that 0:10:03.194 --> 0:10:05.794 just like anything that fears holding us back and we 0:10:06.234 --> 0:10:09.074 are scared to stay. And in that case then you 0:10:09.154 --> 0:10:11.834 really have to rip the tag off and put it on. Yeah. 0:10:12.194 --> 0:10:15.554 And there are other times where you're dressing, often for 0:10:15.714 --> 0:10:19.834 someone else's ideas or that's what you think you should 0:10:19.874 --> 0:10:22.474 wear because you saw, you know, four hundred people wearing 0:10:22.754 --> 0:10:24.754 on your Instagram feed that morning and you went out 0:10:24.794 --> 0:10:26.274 and bought it, and then you just realize it wasn't you. 0:10:26.594 --> 0:10:29.594 And that's where it feels inauthentic. And in those cases 0:10:29.674 --> 0:10:31.554 I was like, sell it, given it a way to 0:10:31.594 --> 0:10:33.953 a friend who it might be, because I have had 0:10:33.954 --> 0:10:35.794 that time where you put on that dress, you go 0:10:35.834 --> 0:10:38.434 to an event or whatever it is, and you just 0:10:38.594 --> 0:10:40.874 want to go home. Yes, and take it off because 0:10:40.874 --> 0:10:43.954 you're so it's so wrong for you, and I have 0:10:43.994 --> 0:10:46.274 a like, if it feels wrong at home, it's going 0:10:46.354 --> 0:10:48.754 to feel ten times worse when you're out at an event. 0:10:48.874 --> 0:10:50.354 But yeah, I think you've got to be honest with 0:10:50.394 --> 0:10:52.794 yourself and say, is this someone that I want to 0:10:52.834 --> 0:10:54.914 be but I'm afraid to or is this someone that 0:10:54.954 --> 0:10:56.874 I thought I had to be that I don't want 0:10:56.914 --> 0:10:58.994 to be, and then make judgments according to that. 0:10:59.074 --> 0:11:00.634 Such a good point with the tag on and you've 0:11:00.634 --> 0:11:02.594 not worn it yet because I've got several things that 0:11:02.634 --> 0:11:05.314 I've put on, put back, put on, put back. 0:11:05.354 --> 0:11:06.594 When am I going to wear that? I'm not. 0:11:06.674 --> 0:11:08.074 I just need to let go of the guilt of 0:11:08.074 --> 0:11:10.434 spending the money or not being her or whatever it 0:11:10.474 --> 0:11:12.874 is and move it on so it's not in the way. 0:11:13.114 --> 0:11:15.154 But it's funny because I think we marry, you know, 0:11:15.554 --> 0:11:17.634 failure to the clothes that we've bought but haven't worn 0:11:17.714 --> 0:11:19.514 for certain reasons. 0:11:19.314 --> 0:11:22.634 One hundred percent, because everyone, no matter what your budget is, 0:11:23.074 --> 0:11:25.954 it's so wasteful. It's kind of like the fashion version 0:11:26.034 --> 0:11:30.034 of throwing out a half eaten plant of food. And 0:11:30.074 --> 0:11:32.274 your parents were telling you, like it's a waste. There 0:11:32.274 --> 0:11:33.634 are kids that are starving and. 0:11:33.674 --> 0:11:35.274 Ordering a coffee when you keep cups in the car 0:11:35.314 --> 0:11:36.754 and you just couldn't be bothered to go and get it. 0:11:36.794 --> 0:11:38.194 You know, I've done that times, going oh my god, 0:11:38.194 --> 0:11:40.274 I feel so bad, but it's much worse. Yeah, it's 0:11:40.354 --> 0:11:43.834 like that. So and I think, look, everyone's allowed to 0:11:43.914 --> 0:11:48.154 have some mistakes. And I think that your wardrobe. What 0:11:48.194 --> 0:11:50.794 would be worse is to not be experimenting at all, 0:11:50.914 --> 0:11:54.234 to be so stuck in a way of dressing and 0:11:54.314 --> 0:11:57.154 a way of thinking that you're not evolving. So I 0:11:57.154 --> 0:11:58.794 think you've got to give yourself a little bit of 0:11:58.834 --> 0:12:01.754 grace and so at least I was trying to be, 0:12:02.114 --> 0:12:04.834 you know, for whatever reason. And I think the worst 0:12:04.914 --> 0:12:08.514 thing would be to never change is a person. Yeah, 0:12:08.554 --> 0:12:10.594 I think that's when and you do see that in 0:12:10.674 --> 0:12:14.194 close in people, whether people feel stuck and how that manifests. 0:12:14.274 --> 0:12:16.554 And unfortunately, I think as us women age, we feel 0:12:16.594 --> 0:12:18.994 like we need to shrink, so we get less experimental. 0:12:19.794 --> 0:12:22.514 We look for more comfort, which is wonderful. But you 0:12:22.554 --> 0:12:25.674 can be comfortable and stylish and experiment and it doesn't 0:12:25.674 --> 0:12:27.234 mean because you're getting older that you can't wear that 0:12:27.394 --> 0:12:29.994 like you just said before, even though in my head, oh, 0:12:30.034 --> 0:12:31.354 I sometimes tell myself that. 0:12:31.474 --> 0:12:33.434 Yeah, absolutely. I always feel like there's this thing called 0:12:33.434 --> 0:12:36.394 repetitious wardrobes interrome. I made it up, but I like 0:12:36.474 --> 0:12:38.634 that tell us more about it, and so the brain 0:12:38.914 --> 0:12:40.354 likes to do the same things at the same time. 0:12:40.354 --> 0:12:42.314 We love routine, you know, in a world where there's 0:12:42.354 --> 0:12:44.714 so many choices and decisions we have to make and 0:12:44.754 --> 0:12:48.194 it's exhausting, we do love to like get have the 0:12:48.234 --> 0:12:51.514 same coffee order, you know, get up ideally at the 0:12:51.514 --> 0:12:54.394 same time, have the same breakfast and how we dress. 0:12:54.394 --> 0:12:57.474 Repetious wardrobes is is that part of that, and it 0:12:57.514 --> 0:13:01.714 can be useful in terms of like having your uniform 0:13:01.754 --> 0:13:04.634 that yeah, like Steve Jobs did. Like Steve Jobs exactly, 0:13:04.834 --> 0:13:10.314 everyone listening, get a black and you're good and make billions. 0:13:11.154 --> 0:13:13.994 But I think and Obama had the same thing, President Obama. 0:13:14.114 --> 0:13:17.114 So people can have those choices. Usually men happy women 0:13:17.194 --> 0:13:18.554 have a version of it. Might be a pair of 0:13:18.634 --> 0:13:21.034 jeans and a blazer or whatever it might be, or 0:13:21.114 --> 0:13:23.314 the same three suits that they're on rotation. But I 0:13:23.354 --> 0:13:26.074 think that we can become a bit of a broken record. 0:13:26.434 --> 0:13:29.514 And there's this other thing where people get stuck at 0:13:29.554 --> 0:13:31.554 an era, so you can look at people and you 0:13:31.554 --> 0:13:35.034 couldn't see and it's often when they felt most connected 0:13:35.074 --> 0:13:36.154 to the music. 0:13:35.794 --> 0:13:38.554 When they felt most alive. So you can often see 0:13:38.554 --> 0:13:41.274 the purple patch. Things were going well, they were feeling good. 0:13:41.754 --> 0:13:44.594 Yes, and you can look at someone and say like, oh, 0:13:44.634 --> 0:13:48.634 clearly like the eighties were their moment, the nineties which 0:13:48.634 --> 0:13:52.154 are back, you know. I think the part that I 0:13:52.234 --> 0:13:56.034 am upset about is that the messaging to yourself is 0:13:56.034 --> 0:13:59.194 that the best years are behind you. Gosh, yes, I'm 0:13:59.234 --> 0:14:01.914 relating to that right now, and that is not true. 0:14:02.034 --> 0:14:04.953 The best years are right now. The day that you 0:14:05.034 --> 0:14:07.714 get to get dressed and breathe and wake up, that's 0:14:07.794 --> 0:14:10.994 the day. And that idea of not saving your clothing 0:14:11.354 --> 0:14:14.514 for some future thing or thinking that that was when 0:14:14.514 --> 0:14:17.194 you had it all together, it's now. Yeah, I can't 0:14:17.194 --> 0:14:20.674 go back. You can't go back, and you actually wouldn't 0:14:20.674 --> 0:14:22.714 want it. We all romanced, like even New York I 0:14:22.834 --> 0:14:24.074 romanticized about it. 0:14:24.194 --> 0:14:25.514 I don't when you go back to an X and 0:14:25.554 --> 0:14:26.954 you think it'll be great, then you're like, actually, you're 0:14:26.954 --> 0:14:30.034 a dickhead. You know, you forgot because you romanticized it. 0:14:30.034 --> 0:14:32.514 It was bad things back then. That's why we broke up. 0:14:32.554 --> 0:14:36.274 And you've learnt so much since that wonderful version of 0:14:36.314 --> 0:14:38.794 you that you thought was so perfect. You're at a peak. 0:14:39.114 --> 0:14:41.234 You are a better version of yourself. Not you so true? 0:14:41.274 --> 0:14:44.114 Why is a smarter? Whatever it is? And so I 0:14:44.194 --> 0:14:46.714 always feel like saying, who do I want to be 0:14:47.354 --> 0:14:50.154 right now? Like? Who am I? What are the three 0:14:50.234 --> 0:14:52.834 things that make me feel yes? 0:14:52.874 --> 0:14:54.594 Because I think we hear a lot on this podcast 0:14:54.594 --> 0:14:57.194 that women want to develop personal style. They don't know 0:14:57.234 --> 0:14:59.154 what to wear. Either they've got usually they've got too 0:14:59.234 --> 0:15:01.794 many clothes ye, or they've just yeah, they're stuck in 0:15:01.914 --> 0:15:04.634 a safe zone. How can someone sit down with themselves 0:15:04.634 --> 0:15:06.714 and go, right, who do I want to be right now? 0:15:06.794 --> 0:15:09.154 Or where am I realistically in my life? Maybe that's 0:15:09.194 --> 0:15:11.394 not exactly where they want to be, and then get 0:15:11.474 --> 0:15:14.114 dressed accordingly because that can be confronting. 0:15:13.794 --> 0:15:16.274 One hundred percent, And you're so right. It's often too 0:15:16.314 --> 0:15:18.954 many clothes not we often think, oh, the solutions to 0:15:18.994 --> 0:15:21.554 buy more. I've even fallen like, oh, oh, I'm like 0:15:21.594 --> 0:15:24.434 that right now. I'll give you a few tips that 0:15:24.474 --> 0:15:27.154 I think are really helpful if you do buy something. Yes, 0:15:27.434 --> 0:15:31.434 I often say buy something that is a complete outfit, 0:15:32.314 --> 0:15:34.794 because we have this thing I've kind of thought of. 0:15:34.834 --> 0:15:37.554 This is like a bower bird shopping habit where you 0:15:37.594 --> 0:15:40.794 see something shiny or whatever it is, and you love 0:15:40.834 --> 0:15:43.514 it and it doesn't work with pretty much anything else 0:15:43.514 --> 0:15:45.274 in your wardrobe. And you have this wardrobe full of 0:15:45.274 --> 0:15:47.434 all these beautiful pieces and none of them go and 0:15:47.474 --> 0:15:49.754 you really do have nothing to wear. Yes, So I 0:15:49.794 --> 0:15:52.914 always feel like, in the name of simplicity, we're all 0:15:53.074 --> 0:15:56.594 so stretched too thin. We have very little band with 0:15:56.634 --> 0:15:58.634 Even if you love fashion as much as we do, 0:15:58.714 --> 0:16:01.474 and so many people listening do, we don't have time 0:16:01.514 --> 0:16:05.674 to reimagine an entirely unique wardrobe choice every morning. So 0:16:05.794 --> 0:16:09.194 if you have like a complete set, you know that 0:16:09.314 --> 0:16:11.914 no matter what, just put that on and yes, ideally 0:16:11.994 --> 0:16:13.794 you can mix it with three other things. In your words, 0:16:13.954 --> 0:16:16.674 I always love that, But you have that done. I 0:16:16.714 --> 0:16:21.354 love that game on. The Next thing is asking yourself like, Okay, 0:16:21.394 --> 0:16:23.834 what are the three kind of like style power words 0:16:23.834 --> 0:16:26.194 that I want to feel? And it can be different. 0:16:26.194 --> 0:16:27.914 We're not one thing. This is the thing I have 0:16:28.074 --> 0:16:30.874 People say, just be yourself and I'm like, which one? Yeah? 0:16:30.914 --> 0:16:31.154 Who? 0:16:31.194 --> 0:16:33.234 Which one? What time in my cycle. I don't know, 0:16:33.674 --> 0:16:36.434 there's so many, and it's like, but that's okay. I 0:16:36.434 --> 0:16:38.394 think you could think of three words and they can 0:16:38.474 --> 0:16:41.754 be almost contradictory, like you are a contradiction, like you am. 0:16:42.114 --> 0:16:44.714 You're very like like classic and androgynists, but then I 0:16:44.834 --> 0:16:47.594 like to be different and sometimes feminine. 0:16:47.714 --> 0:16:49.554 Yeah, I think you have like I see with you 0:16:49.634 --> 0:16:52.314 more than you realize, is like a rebellious streak to 0:16:52.354 --> 0:16:53.634 you of kind. 0:16:53.394 --> 0:16:56.354 Of so true, like I won't jaywalk, but I will 0:16:56.554 --> 0:16:59.314 let my clothes be a little bit not following the rules. 0:16:59.434 --> 0:17:02.714 Yeah, yeah, you know the rules. You're also have this 0:17:02.834 --> 0:17:05.033 kind of a bit of a renegade spirit to you, 0:17:05.074 --> 0:17:07.674 of like trying new things and wanting to like be 0:17:07.754 --> 0:17:09.634 okay with being a little bit scared. So I see 0:17:09.634 --> 0:17:12.474 them not be bored, Ye, not be bored exactly, and 0:17:12.554 --> 0:17:16.354 so okay. Three words so you say, like who are they? 0:17:16.394 --> 0:17:20.834 So it might be creative, it might be confident, and 0:17:20.914 --> 0:17:24.314 it might be feminine or whatever it is. And edit 0:17:24.354 --> 0:17:26.994 your wardrobe and does it now? Great if it falls 0:17:27.034 --> 0:17:30.434 into AU three, unlikely, But otherwise, if it falls into 0:17:30.514 --> 0:17:33.154 any one of those three, it gets to stay. If 0:17:33.154 --> 0:17:35.513 it is none of those things that you want to feel. 0:17:35.594 --> 0:17:37.994 It should be it's an emotion. Like if you do 0:17:38.114 --> 0:17:41.794 not feel any of those things, it has to go 0:17:42.474 --> 0:17:44.354 and give it to someone else that may be their 0:17:44.594 --> 0:17:47.954 wonderful word. Yes, And I think there's this wonderful just 0:17:47.994 --> 0:17:49.434 like you know when they talk about money, and it's 0:17:49.474 --> 0:17:52.394 like there's a real flow to it. And if you're 0:17:52.434 --> 0:17:55.314 trying to ware attention goes energy flows something like that. Yeah, 0:17:55.474 --> 0:17:56.434 that's I like that. 0:17:56.834 --> 0:17:59.714 And also flow your clothes onto someone else who will 0:17:59.714 --> 0:18:01.034 give them attention exactly. 0:18:01.234 --> 0:18:03.994 And I think that if you don't hold onto things 0:18:03.994 --> 0:18:06.514 so tightly, it creates space for new things and new 0:18:06.594 --> 0:18:08.834 versions of yourself to it to come into your life 0:18:08.834 --> 0:18:12.394 as well. So I just did a massive wardrobe claar out. 0:18:12.434 --> 0:18:14.714 Now the clothes are still in the bag. I haven't 0:18:14.754 --> 0:18:16.714 been able to like quite get them other house, okay, 0:18:16.754 --> 0:18:17.634 but they're in the bag. 0:18:17.794 --> 0:18:19.914 And I sometimes do a maybe pile, like a maybe 0:18:19.954 --> 0:18:22.394 pile or a maybe you know, vacuum thing in the 0:18:22.434 --> 0:18:25.554 spare room cupboard, and nine times out of ten I 0:18:25.594 --> 0:18:27.034 don't remember what's in there, and then I take it 0:18:27.074 --> 0:18:28.434 to donate or to sell later. 0:18:28.594 --> 0:18:30.394 But for me it just feels a little bit safer. 0:18:30.594 --> 0:18:32.954 Yeah, that it hasn't fully gone in case who I 0:18:33.194 --> 0:18:35.794 was in that moment when I made that decision. Yes, 0:18:35.954 --> 0:18:38.554 you know I leave when someone else comes back. Yeah, 0:18:38.594 --> 0:18:40.793