1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,465 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:20,265 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on how you've. 4 00:00:20,185 --> 00:00:21,065 Speaker 3: Use It's Aaron here. 5 00:00:21,305 --> 00:00:23,825 Speaker 1: Before we get into the show, We'd love for you 6 00:00:23,945 --> 00:00:26,465 Speaker 1: to go and hit the follow button now on your app. 7 00:00:26,825 --> 00:00:29,465 Speaker 1: It helps us grow the show and keep bringing you guys, 8 00:00:29,625 --> 00:00:31,745 Speaker 1: quality skincare content that you love. 9 00:00:32,185 --> 00:00:33,385 Speaker 3: Okay, onto the show. 10 00:00:34,145 --> 00:00:37,145 Speaker 2: A good formula is like baking a cake. You can 11 00:00:37,225 --> 00:00:41,185 Speaker 2: have separate ingredients on a bench, but together they make 12 00:00:41,225 --> 00:00:45,505 Speaker 2: a cake. Makeup is my therapy. I'm in love, I'm 13 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:48,065 Speaker 2: obsessed and I don't even feel guilty. Body. 14 00:00:50,305 --> 00:00:53,305 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to you Dy, the daily podcast for 15 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:56,745 Speaker 1: Your Face. I'm Aaron Doherty and welcome to the Formula. 16 00:00:57,465 --> 00:00:59,545 Speaker 1: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of 17 00:00:59,585 --> 00:01:02,025 Speaker 1: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into 18 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:05,865 Speaker 1: their skincare routines. Today we're diving into the world of 19 00:01:05,905 --> 00:01:10,265 Speaker 1: celebrity skincare with the facialist behind the glowing collections of 20 00:01:10,305 --> 00:01:14,785 Speaker 1: stars like Delta Goudroum, Jess Row, Pip Edwards and Renegbor. 21 00:01:15,505 --> 00:01:20,385 Speaker 1: It's Sydney based clinical facialist Ingrid Seaburn. Ingrid boasts over 22 00:01:20,465 --> 00:01:24,305 Speaker 1: twenty five years of experience in crafting personalized skin treatments 23 00:01:24,305 --> 00:01:27,905 Speaker 1: for healthy, glowing skin. From a list celebrities in LA 24 00:01:28,185 --> 00:01:31,825 Speaker 1: to her cherished Sydney clients, Ingrid has earned her reputation 25 00:01:31,985 --> 00:01:35,985 Speaker 1: as best in the business for radiant skin. People actually 26 00:01:36,065 --> 00:01:39,825 Speaker 1: call Ingrid's facials magic, So I want to dig into 27 00:01:39,865 --> 00:01:43,225 Speaker 1: that and hear all about her techniques. But don't just 28 00:01:43,265 --> 00:01:46,145 Speaker 1: take it from us. Delta Gudram credits Ingrid for her 29 00:01:46,185 --> 00:01:51,345 Speaker 1: signature glow, while international supermodel Bambi Northwood blythe claims Ingrid 30 00:01:51,465 --> 00:01:55,545 Speaker 1: was a one who changed her skin. Basically, Ingrid knows 31 00:01:55,585 --> 00:01:58,505 Speaker 1: skin like no other, but she's also savvy about the 32 00:01:58,585 --> 00:02:02,625 Speaker 1: fads and gadgets that just don't work. Today, we're bringing 33 00:02:02,625 --> 00:02:04,545 Speaker 1: her in to help us sift through the trends and 34 00:02:04,585 --> 00:02:07,625 Speaker 1: work out exactly what's worth your investment and what's not. 35 00:02:08,265 --> 00:02:10,905 Speaker 1: This episode is an extent and did hit or misguide 36 00:02:11,065 --> 00:02:13,585 Speaker 1: to help you decide where to spend, on where to 37 00:02:13,585 --> 00:02:14,425 Speaker 1: save your pennies. 38 00:02:14,705 --> 00:02:16,665 Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skill. 39 00:02:16,785 --> 00:02:18,265 Speaker 3: But how. 40 00:02:19,985 --> 00:02:22,145 Speaker 1: Ingrid, thank you so much for joining us today. I 41 00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:25,585 Speaker 1: am so excited to have this chat with you. I 42 00:02:25,625 --> 00:02:28,705 Speaker 1: want to start with the deep stuff and ask you 43 00:02:28,865 --> 00:02:31,545 Speaker 1: about your earliest memory of beauty. 44 00:02:31,905 --> 00:02:35,945 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me erin. So my earliest memories of 45 00:02:36,025 --> 00:02:40,585 Speaker 2: beauty and beauty rituals, I guess it's always your mum, right, 46 00:02:40,785 --> 00:02:45,225 Speaker 2: Like that's like your first beauty influencer. And I can 47 00:02:45,305 --> 00:02:47,145 Speaker 2: remember when I was a kid, like she used to 48 00:02:47,225 --> 00:02:50,225 Speaker 2: have all the Lancam, all the long coum products, and 49 00:02:50,225 --> 00:02:52,585 Speaker 2: they were like a big deal back then. And as 50 00:02:52,665 --> 00:02:55,305 Speaker 2: far as doing a little ritual at night, I just 51 00:02:55,345 --> 00:02:58,305 Speaker 2: remember the cotton balls of the makeup coming off with 52 00:02:58,425 --> 00:03:01,505 Speaker 2: the cream cleanser, and then she'd do the tona and 53 00:03:01,545 --> 00:03:04,585 Speaker 2: she'd actually strangely do it sitting up in bed so 54 00:03:04,665 --> 00:03:07,745 Speaker 2: she didn't need water. It was like a little routine 55 00:03:07,785 --> 00:03:10,305 Speaker 2: that she did. But yeah, just like the stuff that 56 00:03:10,345 --> 00:03:13,985 Speaker 2: your mom kind of did, and particularly like the routine 57 00:03:14,025 --> 00:03:16,465 Speaker 2: of it was kind of something that you want to 58 00:03:16,505 --> 00:03:18,025 Speaker 2: grow up and do all that stuff. 59 00:03:18,065 --> 00:03:20,465 Speaker 1: And I think especially yeah, with the smells, the sense 60 00:03:20,505 --> 00:03:23,505 Speaker 1: and everything, it's so nostalgic when you grow up and 61 00:03:23,545 --> 00:03:25,825 Speaker 1: you've got your own skin careteen, you're like, that smell 62 00:03:25,865 --> 00:03:26,945 Speaker 1: reminds me of something. 63 00:03:27,065 --> 00:03:28,705 Speaker 3: Yeah, mom used to use that. 64 00:03:29,185 --> 00:03:30,785 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, But now, of. 65 00:03:30,705 --> 00:03:34,225 Speaker 1: Course you're a facialist to some of the biggest celebrities 66 00:03:34,265 --> 00:03:37,385 Speaker 1: in the country. We're going to dig into the specifics, leader, 67 00:03:37,825 --> 00:03:40,145 Speaker 1: but can I ask you what are some of the 68 00:03:40,185 --> 00:03:42,825 Speaker 1: most popular treatments your clients come in for. 69 00:03:43,425 --> 00:03:47,865 Speaker 2: Probably the most popular is skin needling because it's such 70 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:54,145 Speaker 2: an effective, result driven treatment and for me, like I'm 71 00:03:54,185 --> 00:03:57,945 Speaker 2: a very hands on facialist, I do do a lot 72 00:03:57,985 --> 00:04:01,345 Speaker 2: of treatments where there's a lot of massage and there's 73 00:04:01,385 --> 00:04:05,625 Speaker 2: a lot of oxygenation of the skin and different treatments. 74 00:04:05,785 --> 00:04:08,385 Speaker 2: They all have their place, so it's really hard to say, 75 00:04:08,425 --> 00:04:11,305 Speaker 2: like you know, one's better than another. But skin needling 76 00:04:11,385 --> 00:04:16,225 Speaker 2: is probably the most popular because it just is a 77 00:04:16,425 --> 00:04:22,465 Speaker 2: very effective way to stimulate collegeen production and any other treatment, 78 00:04:23,065 --> 00:04:25,665 Speaker 2: Like it depends who you go to for your treatment, 79 00:04:26,145 --> 00:04:28,665 Speaker 2: because there is a certain way to do it, and 80 00:04:28,665 --> 00:04:30,825 Speaker 2: there is a certain technique and there is a way 81 00:04:30,865 --> 00:04:35,425 Speaker 2: to get the best results. So that's probably the most popular. 82 00:04:35,745 --> 00:04:38,345 Speaker 2: The only people that can't do it are really active 83 00:04:38,705 --> 00:04:41,385 Speaker 2: acneic skin. When I say it's not for everyone, there's 84 00:04:41,425 --> 00:04:44,025 Speaker 2: a lot of skin needling that is happening out there, 85 00:04:44,585 --> 00:04:46,385 Speaker 2: but it's not always done. 86 00:04:46,185 --> 00:04:49,065 Speaker 3: Correctly, especially with at home skin needling, right. 87 00:04:48,905 --> 00:04:51,545 Speaker 2: Yes, So you do have to sort of pick someone 88 00:04:51,545 --> 00:04:53,785 Speaker 2: who actually knows what they're doing. I think that's what 89 00:04:53,865 --> 00:04:57,065 Speaker 2: I'm saying. It's but skin needling itself is a very 90 00:04:57,105 --> 00:04:59,305 Speaker 2: safe and very effective treatment. 91 00:04:59,745 --> 00:05:02,665 Speaker 1: You just touched on this before, but you're known for 92 00:05:02,745 --> 00:05:05,625 Speaker 1: your magical facial massage technique. 93 00:05:05,945 --> 00:05:06,545 Speaker 3: I want to know a. 94 00:05:06,545 --> 00:05:10,865 Speaker 1: Little bit about what this involves and and if it's 95 00:05:10,865 --> 00:05:14,105 Speaker 1: something our listeners can do it at home if they can't 96 00:05:14,145 --> 00:05:14,945 Speaker 1: see a professional. 97 00:05:15,585 --> 00:05:18,065 Speaker 2: This sounds really arrogant, but I think you've either got 98 00:05:18,065 --> 00:05:20,465 Speaker 2: the touch or you don't, right, so it does come 99 00:05:20,545 --> 00:05:25,425 Speaker 2: quite naturally hand. And I really think that the key 100 00:05:25,545 --> 00:05:30,305 Speaker 2: to a good massage is that movement upwards and the 101 00:05:30,385 --> 00:05:33,665 Speaker 2: lifting and the getting in as deep as you can 102 00:05:33,905 --> 00:05:39,625 Speaker 2: underneath the cheekbone, on the jawline, and keeping those movements 103 00:05:39,665 --> 00:05:45,105 Speaker 2: really strong, because those large movements, you know, putting your 104 00:05:45,265 --> 00:05:49,065 Speaker 2: whole palm of your hand on the face rather than 105 00:05:49,265 --> 00:05:55,145 Speaker 2: little fingertip little taps, that creates this beautiful blood flow 106 00:05:55,345 --> 00:05:58,905 Speaker 2: and oxygen coming into those areas. And you know, every 107 00:05:58,985 --> 00:06:02,065 Speaker 2: time you oxygenate and bring the blood flow, you're bringing 108 00:06:02,105 --> 00:06:06,825 Speaker 2: the nutrients. People sometimes are a little mistaken with what 109 00:06:07,145 --> 00:06:10,745 Speaker 2: facial massage does, and you could say, there's a little 110 00:06:10,785 --> 00:06:13,945 Speaker 2: bit of firming, there's a little bit of working out 111 00:06:13,985 --> 00:06:17,665 Speaker 2: of the muscle, there's a little bit of lymphatic drainage. 112 00:06:17,785 --> 00:06:20,825 Speaker 2: You know, depending on the technique. It really is about 113 00:06:21,225 --> 00:06:25,745 Speaker 2: bringing that beautiful blood flow which brings the nutrients into 114 00:06:26,145 --> 00:06:27,025 Speaker 2: those areas. 115 00:06:27,425 --> 00:06:29,505 Speaker 1: I need to get your magical hands on my face. 116 00:06:29,585 --> 00:06:31,465 Speaker 1: Is it awkward to just pause this to get these 117 00:06:31,465 --> 00:06:37,545 Speaker 1: hands on my head? 118 00:06:39,825 --> 00:06:41,505 Speaker 3: I mean, what is your self careroty? 119 00:06:41,705 --> 00:06:46,665 Speaker 1: Give us the dirty detail. If you could just give 120 00:06:46,665 --> 00:06:48,585 Speaker 1: me a little bit of a rundown on a very 121 00:06:48,625 --> 00:06:53,105 Speaker 1: basic skin care routine that you personally follow and what 122 00:06:53,185 --> 00:06:54,625 Speaker 1: you would recommend to your clients. 123 00:06:54,985 --> 00:06:59,065 Speaker 2: Sure, so, depending on their skin issues in their age, 124 00:06:59,465 --> 00:07:02,545 Speaker 2: they do very a little bit. But the basic skin 125 00:07:02,625 --> 00:07:09,625 Speaker 2: routine is that you cleanse and you serum. You don't tone. 126 00:07:09,985 --> 00:07:12,785 Speaker 2: No one needs to tone. That's so old. 127 00:07:13,025 --> 00:07:15,225 Speaker 3: Why would you say just skip the toner. 128 00:07:15,785 --> 00:07:20,745 Speaker 2: Because toners used to be it was almost like getting 129 00:07:20,785 --> 00:07:24,585 Speaker 2: those remnants of makeup off and that last a little 130 00:07:24,585 --> 00:07:27,385 Speaker 2: bit and if they had alcohol in them. Again, the 131 00:07:27,585 --> 00:07:30,745 Speaker 2: old school, old fashioned way of thinking of clean skin 132 00:07:30,945 --> 00:07:34,625 Speaker 2: was that it was squeaky clean. So we don't want 133 00:07:34,665 --> 00:07:38,945 Speaker 2: that anymore, because if you're squeaky clean, then you're way 134 00:07:38,985 --> 00:07:41,265 Speaker 2: too dry. And the number one thing you don't want 135 00:07:41,305 --> 00:07:44,025 Speaker 2: to do when you cleanse is to disrupt the pH 136 00:07:44,105 --> 00:07:47,505 Speaker 2: balance of your skin. So you want to have really 137 00:07:47,625 --> 00:07:50,905 Speaker 2: clean skin, but you don't want it to feel tight. 138 00:07:51,625 --> 00:07:53,825 Speaker 3: What would you recommend in terms of serums? 139 00:07:53,985 --> 00:07:57,345 Speaker 1: Are you very much a person that thinks you should 140 00:07:57,345 --> 00:07:58,785 Speaker 1: spend more on serums? 141 00:07:59,145 --> 00:08:03,625 Speaker 2: Definitely, because not all serums are equal. Serums are a 142 00:08:03,745 --> 00:08:08,825 Speaker 2: concentrated formula of actives. The definition of an active is 143 00:08:08,865 --> 00:08:11,865 Speaker 2: something that delivers is into your dermis, and your dermis 144 00:08:11,945 --> 00:08:16,505 Speaker 2: is the engine room of everything that happens to produce collagen. 145 00:08:16,585 --> 00:08:20,145 Speaker 2: It's really is how your skin creates the pathways of 146 00:08:20,145 --> 00:08:25,585 Speaker 2: how your skin functions. So serums as concentrated actives. The 147 00:08:25,705 --> 00:08:29,585 Speaker 2: actives are the most important part of slowing down your 148 00:08:29,585 --> 00:08:32,345 Speaker 2: aging and the health of your skin. So if you 149 00:08:32,425 --> 00:08:36,225 Speaker 2: think about the ingredients, the big guns, the big four 150 00:08:36,345 --> 00:08:40,705 Speaker 2: are vitamin A, so retinal, vitamin C. I would say 151 00:08:40,745 --> 00:08:45,225 Speaker 2: growth factors, peptides. Herolinic acid is very important, but it's 152 00:08:45,225 --> 00:08:48,185 Speaker 2: not an active. It sits in your epidermis, doesn't go 153 00:08:48,225 --> 00:08:51,665 Speaker 2: down that far, but it's very important. The difference in 154 00:08:51,905 --> 00:08:56,145 Speaker 2: a good serum and a bad serum is percentage, the 155 00:08:56,185 --> 00:08:59,825 Speaker 2: form of the active things like vitingin a There are 156 00:08:59,945 --> 00:09:03,745 Speaker 2: various forms or various stages of conversion in vitamin A 157 00:09:03,825 --> 00:09:07,465 Speaker 2: that happen in your skin. A good formula is like 158 00:09:07,545 --> 00:09:11,425 Speaker 2: baking a cake because you can have separate ingredients on 159 00:09:11,465 --> 00:09:14,905 Speaker 2: a bench, but together they make a cake. So sometimes 160 00:09:14,985 --> 00:09:18,465 Speaker 2: the magic is in the synergy of the formula, what's 161 00:09:18,585 --> 00:09:22,945 Speaker 2: put with what, And that happens with companies that spend 162 00:09:23,065 --> 00:09:27,905 Speaker 2: more money on formulas than marketing and packaging, right, so 163 00:09:28,105 --> 00:09:31,985 Speaker 2: that can be the difference. Price point is usually an indication, 164 00:09:32,105 --> 00:09:35,305 Speaker 2: but not always. Also, the listing of the ingredients on 165 00:09:35,345 --> 00:09:38,145 Speaker 2: the back of the bottle the percentage. You can pretty 166 00:09:38,185 --> 00:09:41,065 Speaker 2: much see how much of the active ingredient is there. 167 00:09:40,905 --> 00:09:43,025 Speaker 3: So because that should be closest to them. 168 00:09:44,385 --> 00:09:46,425 Speaker 2: If it's not, then you're really not getting very much 169 00:09:46,425 --> 00:09:47,705 Speaker 2: of it, so it's a waste of money. 170 00:09:47,985 --> 00:09:51,945 Speaker 1: Do you have any recommendations for some good serums to 171 00:09:51,985 --> 00:09:54,985 Speaker 1: look out for and some maybe more affordable ones, because 172 00:09:54,985 --> 00:09:56,625 Speaker 1: as you said, it is really hard to know. 173 00:09:57,665 --> 00:10:02,225 Speaker 2: I would say you can't really go cheap on the serums. 174 00:10:02,265 --> 00:10:05,185 Speaker 2: They're your investment. Why, because that's where you get the 175 00:10:05,225 --> 00:10:08,865 Speaker 2: best return, right, that's your best dividends. So if you've 176 00:10:08,865 --> 00:10:11,585 Speaker 2: got a certain amount of money to spend, then you 177 00:10:11,625 --> 00:10:15,545 Speaker 2: go less expensive on your cleanser, less expensive on your 178 00:10:15,585 --> 00:10:19,065 Speaker 2: moisturizer because they are kind of like the bookends, and 179 00:10:19,345 --> 00:10:22,385 Speaker 2: then you invest in the serum. So I would say 180 00:10:22,425 --> 00:10:26,105 Speaker 2: with serums that it is always important to go for 181 00:10:26,185 --> 00:10:31,185 Speaker 2: something that is sold clinically. When you're younger, you honestly 182 00:10:31,505 --> 00:10:35,825 Speaker 2: your biggest investment is your SPF and just an antioxidant 183 00:10:35,905 --> 00:10:39,705 Speaker 2: zerum or something that is just keeping your skin protected. 184 00:10:39,745 --> 00:10:43,745 Speaker 2: You're in protection age bracket. But as you start to 185 00:10:44,345 --> 00:10:47,585 Speaker 2: show signs of aging, then you start to have to 186 00:10:47,625 --> 00:10:50,945 Speaker 2: do things that will change the rate at which you age. 187 00:10:50,945 --> 00:10:53,825 Speaker 2: So you can't really skimp on that. So for me, 188 00:10:54,105 --> 00:10:59,465 Speaker 2: like I just think about my client's budget and where 189 00:10:59,465 --> 00:11:03,625 Speaker 2: they're going to get the best return. You can get 190 00:11:04,265 --> 00:11:07,265 Speaker 2: a less expensive serum. I mean, you kind of get 191 00:11:07,305 --> 00:11:09,905 Speaker 2: what you pay for. It doesn't mean it's bad, just 192 00:11:10,025 --> 00:11:12,585 Speaker 2: might not be as effective. 193 00:11:13,225 --> 00:11:16,545 Speaker 1: And you mentioned cleanses and moisturizes are in an area you 194 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:17,665 Speaker 1: can obviously save on. 195 00:11:18,145 --> 00:11:20,985 Speaker 3: Yeah, why is that and what would you look for? 196 00:11:21,465 --> 00:11:26,105 Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent a cream cleanser for every 197 00:11:26,145 --> 00:11:33,025 Speaker 2: age every skin type because foaming cleanses, although convenient, and 198 00:11:33,265 --> 00:11:35,705 Speaker 2: you know, you can cleanse in the shower and it 199 00:11:35,825 --> 00:11:39,545 Speaker 2: just seems so easy. They do strip your skin of 200 00:11:39,625 --> 00:11:43,945 Speaker 2: oil and they have something in them called surfiicants, and 201 00:11:44,105 --> 00:11:47,785 Speaker 2: that is essentially an ingredient that will get all the 202 00:11:47,825 --> 00:11:50,625 Speaker 2: makeup and the dirta but it will also bring up 203 00:11:50,665 --> 00:11:54,545 Speaker 2: those precious oils. And I think with a cream cleanser, 204 00:11:55,145 --> 00:11:58,505 Speaker 2: you don't need to go expensive. The cream cleans is 205 00:11:58,505 --> 00:12:01,065 Speaker 2: good because first of all, you need to use a 206 00:12:01,185 --> 00:12:03,225 Speaker 2: wash cloth. I like using a wash cloth. The first 207 00:12:03,225 --> 00:12:04,665 Speaker 2: thing I do when I get home is I go 208 00:12:04,705 --> 00:12:07,265 Speaker 2: and cleanse my face and I get the wash cloth 209 00:12:07,265 --> 00:12:09,385 Speaker 2: and I can see the makeup coming off. I can 210 00:12:09,425 --> 00:12:11,945 Speaker 2: see it, and I always do a double cleans. But 211 00:12:11,985 --> 00:12:14,305 Speaker 2: the great thing with a cream cleanser is that it 212 00:12:14,385 --> 00:12:17,585 Speaker 2: does not disrupt the pH balance of your skin. And 213 00:12:17,625 --> 00:12:20,465 Speaker 2: that's important. You want clean skin, but you want soft 214 00:12:20,505 --> 00:12:25,585 Speaker 2: and supple skin. Here's something that I really think is ridiculous. 215 00:12:26,105 --> 00:12:31,625 Speaker 2: You don't need actives in a cleanser because you wash 216 00:12:31,665 --> 00:12:35,665 Speaker 2: it off. Why would you pay for that? That's ridiculous. 217 00:12:35,905 --> 00:12:38,385 Speaker 2: So you know, when you see sometimes like a cleanser 218 00:12:38,385 --> 00:12:41,425 Speaker 2: and I'll say, like a, I don't know vitamin C. 219 00:12:41,585 --> 00:12:44,465 Speaker 2: Why you don't need vitamin C in a cleanser. 220 00:12:44,905 --> 00:12:46,905 Speaker 3: It is just going down the drain unless you. 221 00:12:46,865 --> 00:12:50,585 Speaker 2: Want to be unless you love paying more for nothing, 222 00:12:51,265 --> 00:12:53,385 Speaker 2: like why it's just stupid? 223 00:13:00,825 --> 00:13:04,305 Speaker 1: Are there any other essentials you would recommend in a 224 00:13:04,345 --> 00:13:05,705 Speaker 1: simple skin care routine? 225 00:13:06,425 --> 00:13:09,825 Speaker 2: SBFC obvious one. You can't talk about skincare without talking 226 00:13:09,865 --> 00:13:14,665 Speaker 2: about SBF. And again, I have a very simple view 227 00:13:14,705 --> 00:13:18,545 Speaker 2: on SPF. When people say to me, which SPF do 228 00:13:18,585 --> 00:13:22,585 Speaker 2: you recommend? I say, whichever one you like, because you've 229 00:13:22,585 --> 00:13:24,585 Speaker 2: got to use it. I say, I don't care what 230 00:13:24,625 --> 00:13:27,025 Speaker 2: it is as long as you use it. Because you 231 00:13:27,105 --> 00:13:29,425 Speaker 2: don't like the SPF that you have to wear every 232 00:13:29,545 --> 00:13:31,025 Speaker 2: day and you don't think it looks cood or it 233 00:13:31,025 --> 00:13:33,145 Speaker 2: hasn't got the right tint or whatever, you are not 234 00:13:33,185 --> 00:13:33,865 Speaker 2: going to use it. 235 00:13:33,985 --> 00:13:36,425 Speaker 1: And the good thing is that we are spoilt for choice. 236 00:13:36,465 --> 00:13:41,465 Speaker 1: The Australian market is full of amazing SPF options. I 237 00:13:41,505 --> 00:13:44,745 Speaker 1: am itching to move into hits and messes with you 238 00:13:44,825 --> 00:13:48,505 Speaker 1: because we've made this a little bit jazzy. Because your 239 00:13:48,625 --> 00:13:51,665 Speaker 1: job means you're coming into contact with a lot of 240 00:13:51,745 --> 00:13:56,025 Speaker 1: new tools, techniques and devices. We thought we could extend 241 00:13:56,065 --> 00:13:58,745 Speaker 1: out this segment and I'm going to ask you some 242 00:13:58,865 --> 00:14:03,585 Speaker 1: rapid fire questions about what tools and devices are actually 243 00:14:03,585 --> 00:14:06,065 Speaker 1: worth your money and the ones that aren't. 244 00:14:07,345 --> 00:14:07,545 Speaker 2: Hit. 245 00:14:07,905 --> 00:14:08,705 Speaker 3: You've been one of. 246 00:14:08,625 --> 00:14:12,225 Speaker 2: The greatest discovery whis of all time or a miss? 247 00:14:12,265 --> 00:14:16,705 Speaker 1: Never again never led light masks hit. 248 00:14:16,665 --> 00:14:20,545 Speaker 2: Or miss, conditional hit, conditional, Yes, yes, and I'll tell 249 00:14:20,585 --> 00:14:24,265 Speaker 2: you why. Because LEDs are proven science. It's a great 250 00:14:24,465 --> 00:14:29,145 Speaker 2: addition to your skin care routine. Doesn't replace your skincare routine. 251 00:14:29,345 --> 00:14:33,625 Speaker 3: Jaw Ling, chiseling, slings the most. 252 00:14:34,145 --> 00:14:38,225 Speaker 2: Ridiculous, stupid who would even buy that? 253 00:14:38,625 --> 00:14:40,145 Speaker 3: Look, they're everywhere right now. 254 00:14:40,345 --> 00:14:45,425 Speaker 2: It's just I can't what is the logic behind putting 255 00:14:45,465 --> 00:14:47,865 Speaker 2: a sling on your jaw and thinking it's going to 256 00:14:47,985 --> 00:14:48,425 Speaker 2: do something? 257 00:14:49,145 --> 00:14:51,265 Speaker 3: Face tape your slingers? 258 00:14:51,625 --> 00:14:53,185 Speaker 2: Have people lost their minds? 259 00:14:53,585 --> 00:14:58,025 Speaker 3: All right? That's a total miss. Microcurrent treatments hit or. 260 00:14:57,985 --> 00:15:03,865 Speaker 2: Miss, absolute hit. Because you know we're talking before about 261 00:15:03,905 --> 00:15:07,425 Speaker 2: everything sort of has its place. Microcurrent is an incredible 262 00:15:07,865 --> 00:15:11,985 Speaker 2: mobility because it does something that other modalities don't, and 263 00:15:12,025 --> 00:15:15,865 Speaker 2: that is it contracts and releases a muscle in your 264 00:15:15,905 --> 00:15:22,345 Speaker 2: face and the very subtle difference between a younger face 265 00:15:22,465 --> 00:15:26,185 Speaker 2: and an older face is where the muscles sit, and 266 00:15:26,305 --> 00:15:31,225 Speaker 2: as you get older they gravity takes hold. So it 267 00:15:31,425 --> 00:15:38,305 Speaker 2: also stimulates cellular metabolism something called ATP. So it's a 268 00:15:38,425 --> 00:15:42,425 Speaker 2: very good treatment and it definitely has its place with 269 00:15:42,505 --> 00:15:45,105 Speaker 2: a lot of treatments like it's a good one. It's 270 00:15:45,105 --> 00:15:45,945 Speaker 2: a good one. 271 00:15:45,905 --> 00:15:47,905 Speaker 3: That sounds like a real workout for your face. 272 00:15:48,945 --> 00:15:53,465 Speaker 1: Next up, face yoga hit or miss Absolutely useless. 273 00:15:55,305 --> 00:15:57,305 Speaker 3: I wanted you to say that, but I was nervous. 274 00:15:58,745 --> 00:16:00,625 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no logic to that either. 275 00:16:01,505 --> 00:16:07,545 Speaker 3: Why next up is affordable RF devices from Amazon. 276 00:16:07,905 --> 00:16:14,825 Speaker 2: Absolute miss absolutely just Oh my god. Heat based devices 277 00:16:15,305 --> 00:16:22,105 Speaker 2: can do more damage than good in terms of very 278 00:16:22,265 --> 00:16:28,665 Speaker 2: short term results. That can melt subcutaneous fat, and people 279 00:16:28,865 --> 00:16:35,385 Speaker 2: get treatments that they think are firming and tightening and 280 00:16:35,425 --> 00:16:41,625 Speaker 2: stimulating collagen and they end up losing very important subcutaneous fat, 281 00:16:41,745 --> 00:16:44,825 Speaker 2: which is again such a youthful thing. You want to 282 00:16:44,865 --> 00:16:47,465 Speaker 2: hold on to that fat on your face. 283 00:16:47,705 --> 00:16:49,905 Speaker 1: Okay, food for thoughts, Yeah, I think we've got a 284 00:16:49,945 --> 00:16:51,865 Speaker 1: deep dive in that trouble. 285 00:16:52,185 --> 00:16:55,065 Speaker 3: Last one I've got here the mini micro current ones. 286 00:16:55,465 --> 00:16:59,385 Speaker 2: I love microcurrent, but you can't sort of be thinking 287 00:16:59,465 --> 00:17:01,905 Speaker 2: it's going to give you a face left. It can 288 00:17:02,065 --> 00:17:07,465 Speaker 2: do some great things, but it's not going to do 289 00:17:08,145 --> 00:17:09,425 Speaker 2: magic work. 290 00:17:09,665 --> 00:17:12,945 Speaker 1: It's not going to be the same as going on no, because. 291 00:17:12,745 --> 00:17:17,505 Speaker 2: The strength of at home microcurrent devices is a hell 292 00:17:17,545 --> 00:17:22,465 Speaker 2: of a lot less treatment. Yes, it's not detrimental at all, 293 00:17:23,065 --> 00:17:26,385 Speaker 2: but a lot of those ones are very weak in 294 00:17:26,425 --> 00:17:28,425 Speaker 2: their energy levels. 295 00:17:28,625 --> 00:17:31,545 Speaker 1: Okay, my last question, which is again a little bit 296 00:17:31,585 --> 00:17:32,385 Speaker 1: of a deep question. 297 00:17:32,625 --> 00:17:35,545 Speaker 3: I know I could talk for me. 298 00:17:35,465 --> 00:17:41,465 Speaker 1: Too, someone who works with some of the most beautiful 299 00:17:41,545 --> 00:17:44,585 Speaker 1: people in the world. I want to finish by asking 300 00:17:44,625 --> 00:17:47,425 Speaker 1: you what does beauty truly mean to you? 301 00:17:47,945 --> 00:17:50,705 Speaker 2: Looking in the mirror and saying, no matter what, I'm 302 00:17:50,705 --> 00:17:54,505 Speaker 2: a beautiful person. I'm a beautiful human being. You can't 303 00:17:54,505 --> 00:17:57,105 Speaker 2: be beautiful on the outside and not beautiful on the inside, 304 00:17:57,585 --> 00:18:00,025 Speaker 2: you know. I think that's so important. 305 00:18:00,705 --> 00:18:03,105 Speaker 1: That's all for today's show, But if you want more 306 00:18:03,145 --> 00:18:06,185 Speaker 1: beauty news, check out our Beauty newsletter. We've checked a 307 00:18:06,225 --> 00:18:08,625 Speaker 1: link to it in the show notes. The producer of 308 00:18:08,665 --> 00:18:11,905 Speaker 1: You Beauty is Cassie Merit, with audio production by Lou Hill. 309 00:18:12,345 --> 00:18:15,545 Speaker 1: See you next Tuesday for another interview talking all things skincare. 310 00:18:15,825 --> 00:18:16,105 Speaker 2: Bye.