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Speaker 1: Said, you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded.

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Speaker 3: On Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to you Beauty the daily Podcast for

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Speaker 3: Your Face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 3: If you've been scrolling TikTok lately, you've probably seen at

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Speaker 3: least one person talking about lymphatic drainage. It's absolutely everywhere

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Speaker 3: right now, and there's a very good reason why celebs

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Speaker 3: like Kimmy Kay, Julee Pie, and Lizzo are all getting

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Speaker 3: it done before major events like the met Gala and

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Speaker 3: other red carpet appearances. But what if I told you

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Speaker 3: that there's a version that goes way beyond physical benefits.

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Speaker 3: What if it could help you release emotional weight, regular

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Speaker 3: your nervous system and literally help you glow from the

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Speaker 3: inside out. Today I am chating with a real life angel,

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Speaker 3: Danny the Heart and Hands behind me, and she so

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Speaker 3: well and her own journey through burnout, working and media.

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Speaker 1: She was actually a radio presenter.

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Speaker 3: Danny now offers Brazilian style lymphatic drainage with soul combining massage, therapy,

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Speaker 3: reiki healing and nervous system support. Danny, welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 2: You are such beautiful skill.

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Speaker 3: But how Danny, I'm so excited to chat with you today.

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Speaker 3: We've already tried to start talking about a million different

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Speaker 3: things off Mike, but let's kick things off with if

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Speaker 3: someone was going to take just one thing away from today,

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Speaker 3: what would that be?

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Speaker 2: One thing away from today? I really love for people

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Speaker 2: to understand, like if we're going to go down the

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Speaker 2: lymphatic drainage route. I love to educate my clients because

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Speaker 2: I think at the moment lymphatic drainage is having a moment,

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Speaker 2: which is great for me, but I think there is

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Speaker 2: a little bit of misinformation about what it can do,

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Speaker 2: just things like weight loss and contouring and all of that.

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Speaker 2: I think out there in the TikTok world, there's definitely

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Speaker 2: the lymphatic drainage. I would love to be able to

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Speaker 2: educate our viewers or listeners on the fact that it

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Speaker 2: is an inside out journey using the word journey already

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Speaker 2: rather than it just being about looks and dea da

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Speaker 2: of the lymphatic system and how the detox pathways work,

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Speaker 2: then for me, I'm happy.

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Speaker 3: You're happy, Okay, all right, Well let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Because you were a former radio presenter, yes, turned heeler.

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Speaker 2: So I worked in media for thirteen years, so essentially

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Speaker 2: I always described my media career as like as you

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Speaker 2: probably would know, high highs lo lows, but it always

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Speaker 2: I was fighting against myself. Look, I loved it. It

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Speaker 2: a very big part of myself. I've always been a

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Speaker 2: very sensitive soul. I've always had like dreams that would

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Speaker 2: And I remember calling my best friend one day and saying,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that nervous system is on, and that whole

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Speaker 2: love to express myself and I love to talk, I

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Speaker 3: Because media for thirteen years and now eight years of

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Speaker 1: Like it would be very hard I think at the

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Speaker 2: Well, I have really good practices for that, So I mean,

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Speaker 2: Just like everyone's will.

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Speaker 3: We just don't want to be the lotus Bertha exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's full on. I've got a lot of practices that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, let's talk about lymphatic drainage. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so let's start with the lymphatic system. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it'll take the dirty lymph I guess, and it actually

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Speaker 2: body as clean lymph. Okay, so my job when you're

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Speaker 2: massage we really massage the stomach. Then you've got major

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Speaker 2: so I wake up those lymph nodes, send the lymph fluid,

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Speaker 2: Look, it just depends, well why dont like WHOA I'll

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Speaker 1: Like that is a beautiful person to be. That is

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Speaker 2: It's also the work, yeah, but like and I love it.

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Speaker 3: Like you can walk out of a massage and be

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Speaker 1: So I think that that's that's really lovely.

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Speaker 2: to like have that full nervous system, regulation have that

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Speaker 2: moment to themselves and know that they're just being completely

430
00:21:42,985 --> 00:21:47,785
Speaker 2: loved nurtured, which a lot of us want but don't

431
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Speaker 2: make time for or don't know how to ask for.

432
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Speaker 1: What's the connection between your skin?

433
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Speaker 3: I mean it kind of makes sense if everything that

434
00:22:00,785 --> 00:22:03,425
Speaker 3: you've explained so far, but that lymphatic drainage and then

435
00:22:03,985 --> 00:22:04,665
Speaker 3: glow glow.

436
00:22:04,785 --> 00:22:07,785
Speaker 2: So the glow is definitely because your system is moving

437
00:22:07,905 --> 00:22:11,545
Speaker 2: optimally again, so able to move things out of your system.

438
00:22:11,585 --> 00:22:13,705
Speaker 2: It actually speeds up metabolism as well. Like I'll have

439
00:22:13,745 --> 00:22:16,465
Speaker 2: girls come in and they'll be like, I finished that

440
00:22:16,545 --> 00:22:18,025
Speaker 2: massage and I'm so goddamn hungry.

441
00:22:18,345 --> 00:22:21,825
Speaker 3: Yea working like a beach swim. Yeah, finish a beach swim,

442
00:22:21,825 --> 00:22:26,065
Speaker 3: and it's just kick started your metabolism. You're starving, Yes, yes, exactly,

443
00:22:26,385 --> 00:22:27,985
Speaker 3: that is exactly what it's like.

444
00:22:29,425 --> 00:22:30,305
Speaker 2: Why is that a thing?

445
00:22:30,465 --> 00:22:34,385
Speaker 3: Like I've never once not been for an ocean swimen thought,

446
00:22:34,425 --> 00:22:36,745
Speaker 3: Oh I'm full, like I'm starving.

447
00:22:36,785 --> 00:22:39,585
Speaker 2: So true, so true. I love that. I'm going to

448
00:22:39,625 --> 00:22:40,425
Speaker 2: think of you now over.

449
00:22:40,825 --> 00:22:42,345
Speaker 1: Every time you go for a swim and you're hungry,

450
00:22:42,385 --> 00:22:43,385
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh hell.

451
00:22:44,945 --> 00:22:48,185
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the glow, the glow effect, Yeah, we've talked

452
00:22:48,225 --> 00:22:50,945
Speaker 2: about it, I guess already, but yeah, it's the moving

453
00:22:51,225 --> 00:22:55,065
Speaker 2: of that lymph fluid, speeding up the metabolism and also

454
00:22:55,145 --> 00:22:57,825
Speaker 2: giving your body that break. I had a client in

455
00:22:57,985 --> 00:23:02,065
Speaker 2: she was wearing an or ring and she ring you

456
00:23:02,105 --> 00:23:03,985
Speaker 2: know the aora rings, the one that like you put

457
00:23:04,025 --> 00:23:06,305
Speaker 2: them on and they I was thinking.

458
00:23:06,065 --> 00:23:10,025
Speaker 3: Of aurah, but like I was still thinking in woo

459
00:23:10,065 --> 00:23:11,065
Speaker 3: woo okay, but no one.

460
00:23:11,305 --> 00:23:13,225
Speaker 2: Went got back to Wi Fi energy.

461
00:23:13,345 --> 00:23:16,185
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, or is actually Wi Fi Like it's it

462
00:23:16,225 --> 00:23:18,265
Speaker 3: tells you how many how she slept and like your

463
00:23:18,265 --> 00:23:19,785
Speaker 3: heart rate and all those sorts of things.

464
00:23:19,905 --> 00:23:24,185
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's yeah, exactly, so she has your data exactly,

465
00:23:24,425 --> 00:23:27,105
Speaker 2: so we are back on real WiFi. Yeah. So she

466
00:23:28,025 --> 00:23:30,785
Speaker 2: sent me a picture actually of her status of her

467
00:23:30,945 --> 00:23:34,025
Speaker 2: orring during the massage and for the second half she

468
00:23:34,145 --> 00:23:37,345
Speaker 2: was actually in deep sleep for like I think it

469
00:23:37,425 --> 00:23:40,465
Speaker 2: was like eighteen and a half minutes, and I was like,

470
00:23:40,785 --> 00:23:42,465
Speaker 2: how are you not going to glow after that?

471
00:23:42,785 --> 00:23:45,665
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're gonna glow, yeah.

472
00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:47,505
Speaker 2: Because sometimes you're not even getting deep sleep in your

473
00:23:47,585 --> 00:23:49,145
Speaker 2: in your your actual seven hours.

474
00:23:49,385 --> 00:23:50,945
Speaker 1: Yeah, can we talk about taro.

475
00:23:51,465 --> 00:23:54,585
Speaker 3: How did that start that you started doing the tarot

476
00:23:54,585 --> 00:23:58,905
Speaker 3: card readings with the reiki, with the lymphatic drainage. I mean,

477
00:23:59,265 --> 00:24:02,785
Speaker 3: I just think it sounds like a really beautiful experience

478
00:24:02,865 --> 00:24:05,625
Speaker 3: in place to be in your therapy room.

479
00:24:05,785 --> 00:24:07,865
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, look, I've always been a bit of

480
00:24:07,905 --> 00:24:11,385
Speaker 2: a creative soul, and I just was like, if I'm

481
00:24:11,425 --> 00:24:14,305
Speaker 2: going to do this, lean my own business and I'm

482
00:24:14,345 --> 00:24:16,625
Speaker 2: gonna do this, I'm going to do it. But it

483
00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:20,825
Speaker 2: actually started off the plan was literally just to pull

484
00:24:20,865 --> 00:24:24,025
Speaker 2: one card to get like the clients to pull one card,

485
00:24:24,705 --> 00:24:26,505
Speaker 2: look at the card, pick up on the energy of

486
00:24:26,545 --> 00:24:30,785
Speaker 2: the card, and potentially use that to decipher which aromatherapy

487
00:24:30,905 --> 00:24:31,305
Speaker 2: or will get.

488
00:24:31,425 --> 00:24:34,785
Speaker 1: Oh okay, outside simple, that's all it was supposed to be.

489
00:24:34,905 --> 00:24:36,065
Speaker 2: But no, that's not.

490
00:24:36,345 --> 00:24:38,945
Speaker 3: Now someone pulls out the tarot cards though, you want like, all,

491
00:24:39,225 --> 00:24:39,945
Speaker 3: what are they saying?

492
00:24:40,385 --> 00:24:42,745
Speaker 1: Oh, go on, am I dying soon? Yes? Or no?

493
00:24:43,105 --> 00:24:45,065
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so the card would come out and then

494
00:24:45,225 --> 00:24:48,185
Speaker 2: we'd both be like pull one more, and I'd be like, okay,

495
00:24:48,265 --> 00:24:51,025
Speaker 2: let's pull one more. Then suddenly half an hour's gone

496
00:24:51,025 --> 00:24:53,265
Speaker 2: by and I'm like, oh my god, Danny, you can't

497
00:24:53,305 --> 00:24:55,225
Speaker 2: keep doing this every time, like you're not even getting

498
00:24:55,225 --> 00:24:56,865
Speaker 2: paid for this time. And it would end up being

499
00:24:56,865 --> 00:24:59,785
Speaker 2: this big conversation and then there'd be tears, and then

500
00:24:59,785 --> 00:25:02,185
Speaker 2: they'd be this, and then they'd be that, and sometimes

501
00:25:02,185 --> 00:25:05,385
Speaker 2: there's none of that makes sense, honey, and I'm like, oh, well,

502
00:25:05,425 --> 00:25:07,625
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm not that great today whatever, And

503
00:25:07,665 --> 00:25:09,305
Speaker 2: so it became that, and then I started getting people

504
00:25:09,305 --> 00:25:11,345
Speaker 2: messaged me going, hey, can I come in for a reading?

505
00:25:11,345 --> 00:25:13,265
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm not a freaking Tara reader.

506
00:25:13,585 --> 00:25:16,145
Speaker 2: And then I just kept getting requests after request and

507
00:25:16,225 --> 00:25:17,705
Speaker 2: I remember saying to my best friend, I was like,

508
00:25:18,025 --> 00:25:20,745
Speaker 2: I think my ego is talking here. This is ego,

509
00:25:20,945 --> 00:25:23,825
Speaker 2: like I'm just embarrassed to be the Taro reader, but

510
00:25:23,865 --> 00:25:25,745
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I'm asking for it.

511
00:25:25,825 --> 00:25:28,905
Speaker 1: And if you're getting that intuition about different things.

512
00:25:29,505 --> 00:25:32,265
Speaker 2: Look when my clients come. Now, the first thing that

513
00:25:32,345 --> 00:25:34,305
Speaker 2: I premise the reading with is I say, I don't

514
00:25:34,345 --> 00:25:36,905
Speaker 2: consider myself a psychic, but what I do know really

515
00:25:36,905 --> 00:25:40,505
Speaker 2: well are the Tarot cards. I've been reading learning since

516
00:25:40,625 --> 00:25:44,465
Speaker 2: I was like literally thirteen, right, and now as I'm

517
00:25:44,505 --> 00:25:46,905
Speaker 2: working more with the cards, I can really I know

518
00:25:47,025 --> 00:25:49,345
Speaker 2: what I feel from the cards. So I'll give you

519
00:25:49,345 --> 00:25:52,665
Speaker 2: an example. So I had a client come in and

520
00:25:52,785 --> 00:25:56,625
Speaker 2: I pulled the King of Cups and the Three of Swords,

521
00:25:56,625 --> 00:25:59,265
Speaker 2: which the Three of Swords is generally heartbreak and the

522
00:25:59,345 --> 00:26:02,345
Speaker 2: King of Cups is generally like someone that's ready for

523
00:26:02,385 --> 00:26:04,745
Speaker 2: a relationship or da da da da da. So you

524
00:26:04,785 --> 00:26:07,865
Speaker 2: put those two together, you think break up. You know

525
00:26:07,945 --> 00:26:09,545
Speaker 2: you've got the King of Cups and you've got the heartbreak.

526
00:26:10,225 --> 00:26:11,825
Speaker 2: And I remember looking at the card and looking at

527
00:26:11,865 --> 00:26:13,225
Speaker 2: her and looking at the card and looking at her,

528
00:26:13,265 --> 00:26:15,465
Speaker 2: and I was like, this girl is not going through

529
00:26:15,465 --> 00:26:19,745
Speaker 2: a breakup. Absolutely not. I just intuitively knew that. I

530
00:26:19,785 --> 00:26:22,505
Speaker 2: was like, there's something more here. So then I pulled

531
00:26:22,545 --> 00:26:24,585
Speaker 2: another card and it was the marriage card, and I

532
00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,825
Speaker 2: was like, she's not getting married. And I'm like, these

533
00:26:26,825 --> 00:26:29,225
Speaker 2: are conversations i'm having with like god knows who. In

534
00:26:29,265 --> 00:26:31,185
Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, she's not. I was like, just

535
00:26:31,225 --> 00:26:33,305
Speaker 2: give me a minute. And I remember thinking I'm just

536
00:26:33,345 --> 00:26:35,065
Speaker 2: gonna go with it. And I just looked at her

537
00:26:35,105 --> 00:26:38,505
Speaker 2: and I said to her, who's the man in your life?

538
00:26:39,065 --> 00:26:40,745
Speaker 2: And in my head I was like, I'm getting dad.

539
00:26:40,745 --> 00:26:43,065
Speaker 2: I'm getting dad and getting dad. But I was kind

540
00:26:43,065 --> 00:26:45,545
Speaker 2: of too scared to say it, and I was like,

541
00:26:46,545 --> 00:26:48,305
Speaker 2: who's the man in your life with the heart problem?

542
00:26:49,105 --> 00:26:52,585
Speaker 2: And she just started bawling her eyes out and then

543
00:26:52,625 --> 00:26:56,745
Speaker 2: I said, look, I'm just going to say it. Don't worry,

544
00:26:56,945 --> 00:26:59,225
Speaker 2: he will walk you down the aisle. She was like,

545
00:26:59,305 --> 00:27:01,705
Speaker 2: that was the only reason why I came here. That's

546
00:27:01,745 --> 00:27:04,065
Speaker 2: the only message that I wanted. And I often will

547
00:27:04,105 --> 00:27:06,585
Speaker 2: have clients come in and it becomes a counseling.

548
00:27:06,185 --> 00:27:07,465
Speaker 1: Session one hundred percent.

549
00:27:07,545 --> 00:27:10,425
Speaker 3: I think that that what you do is count really

550
00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:14,385
Speaker 3: at it's like a beautiful therapy session that honestly, like,

551
00:27:14,465 --> 00:27:16,905
Speaker 3: I'd much rather pay for that than to talk to

552
00:27:16,905 --> 00:27:17,785
Speaker 3: someone for an hour.

553
00:27:18,105 --> 00:27:20,785
Speaker 2: And also, you don't want to limit people's experiences, so

554
00:27:20,825 --> 00:27:25,385
Speaker 2: I'm very careful with Like, when I think about the

555
00:27:25,425 --> 00:27:27,665
Speaker 2: experience that I want to create for my clients, I'm like,

556
00:27:27,785 --> 00:27:31,145
Speaker 2: I want them to walk out of this room, and

557
00:27:31,185 --> 00:27:33,025
Speaker 2: i want their vision of their life to go from

558
00:27:33,065 --> 00:27:36,985
Speaker 2: here to here. And I do believe that sometimes saying

559
00:27:37,105 --> 00:27:39,785
Speaker 2: yes that's going to happen, it's going to limit them.

560
00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:41,785
Speaker 2: And you know, when love things do come up, I'm

561
00:27:41,785 --> 00:27:43,945
Speaker 2: always I'm very careful and I'm like, look, if you

562
00:27:43,985 --> 00:27:45,865
Speaker 2: walk out of here, and you meet a man in

563
00:27:45,905 --> 00:27:48,105
Speaker 2: five minutes. Please don't think that he's not the one.

564
00:27:48,145 --> 00:27:50,545
Speaker 2: Just because I'm saying it's in six months, it could

565
00:27:50,585 --> 00:27:53,585
Speaker 2: well and truly be I'm just reading the cards very like.

566
00:27:53,705 --> 00:27:55,625
Speaker 2: You just have to be a bit careful. You don't

567
00:27:55,625 --> 00:27:58,065
Speaker 2: want to like limit people's experiences. You want people to

568
00:27:58,105 --> 00:28:00,985
Speaker 2: think that life is my freaking monster.

569
00:28:01,665 --> 00:28:04,665
Speaker 3: And I had a really beautiful reading with someone once

570
00:28:04,825 --> 00:28:06,385
Speaker 3: when I was feeling like I was pregnant. I was

571
00:28:06,385 --> 00:28:07,945
Speaker 3: a little bit lost, and it was in the middle

572
00:28:07,945 --> 00:28:12,305
Speaker 3: of COVID and she said, you're very fertile. I see

573
00:28:12,305 --> 00:28:14,705
Speaker 3: a lot of children in your future. And then she

574
00:28:14,825 --> 00:28:16,385
Speaker 3: was like, but I want you to know that it's

575
00:28:16,425 --> 00:28:18,665
Speaker 3: still like, I'm not telling you that you're going to

576
00:28:18,705 --> 00:28:21,185
Speaker 3: have lots of children. Yeah, that's still only if you

577
00:28:21,225 --> 00:28:24,585
Speaker 3: want lots of children. Yeah, basically just to make sure

578
00:28:24,585 --> 00:28:25,665
Speaker 3: you care with contraception.

579
00:28:26,065 --> 00:28:30,065
Speaker 2: Yes, I literally had that reading two weeks ago. She's

580
00:28:30,105 --> 00:28:32,345
Speaker 2: actually become a friend now and I said to her, look,

581
00:28:32,385 --> 00:28:35,065
Speaker 2: I don't know what the situation is with the person

582
00:28:35,105 --> 00:28:36,745
Speaker 2: that you're with, but if you don't want to get

583
00:28:36,785 --> 00:28:39,985
Speaker 2: pregnant right now, beginny be care for.

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00:28:40,265 --> 00:28:41,825
Speaker 3: And I just thought that was such a good way

585
00:28:41,865 --> 00:28:46,425
Speaker 3: to look at anything to do with readings and intuition

586
00:28:46,745 --> 00:28:50,985
Speaker 3: and psychic abilities. It's not they're not predicting your future.

587
00:28:50,985 --> 00:28:53,905
Speaker 3: They're telling you. It's like guiding you in a way

588
00:28:54,145 --> 00:28:54,905
Speaker 3: like therapy.

589
00:28:54,985 --> 00:28:55,225
Speaker 1: Really.

590
00:28:55,465 --> 00:28:59,465
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do believe that there is a language

591
00:28:59,465 --> 00:29:02,505
Speaker 2: of the universe, and I'm not even gonna apologize for Saundiwo.

592
00:29:02,585 --> 00:29:05,425
Speaker 2: There is another language that we live within, and this

593
00:29:05,585 --> 00:29:09,185
Speaker 2: is just another way of if a message is supposed

594
00:29:09,185 --> 00:29:12,945
Speaker 2: to come through, it will come through, and it always does.

595
00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:13,825
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:29:13,905 --> 00:29:17,825
Speaker 3: So basically I think that if you're going to go

597
00:29:17,945 --> 00:29:21,545
Speaker 3: and get a beautiful lymphatic draining massage, you're going to

598
00:29:21,665 --> 00:29:25,385
Speaker 3: walk out not just physically more glowy, but your energy

599
00:29:25,465 --> 00:29:26,265
Speaker 3: is going to be glowing more.

600
00:29:26,425 --> 00:29:27,985
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

601
00:29:28,025 --> 00:29:28,465
Speaker 1: I love that.

602
00:29:28,905 --> 00:29:32,025
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's the experience that my clients seem to

603
00:29:32,025 --> 00:29:33,705
Speaker 2: have and that I like to try and create.

604
00:29:33,905 --> 00:29:37,905
Speaker 3: This has just been such a beautiful chat and something

605
00:29:37,905 --> 00:29:42,065
Speaker 3: a little bit different, but at the core, like it's

606
00:29:42,105 --> 00:29:43,505
Speaker 3: all sort of intertwined in.

607
00:29:44,545 --> 00:29:45,865
Speaker 1: We always say, like you beauty.

608
00:29:46,145 --> 00:29:49,985
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a podcast about beauty, but it's about self care,

609
00:29:50,625 --> 00:29:53,705
Speaker 3: and which I feel like I sound very earnest saying that,

610
00:29:54,025 --> 00:29:56,425
Speaker 3: but I really do like for me doing my skincare

611
00:29:56,465 --> 00:29:59,065
Speaker 3: and my makeup and going getting a message. It's all

612
00:29:59,145 --> 00:30:01,625
Speaker 3: self care to me, and I think this is just

613
00:30:01,665 --> 00:30:05,105
Speaker 3: an extension of that. So it's been so beautiful having

614
00:30:05,145 --> 00:30:07,225
Speaker 3: you here, Danny. I could literally talk to you all

615
00:30:07,265 --> 00:30:08,105
Speaker 3: day about this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me because what I'm

617
00:30:10,305 --> 00:30:12,625
Speaker 2: doing it is a little bit different, you know, it is,

618
00:30:12,665 --> 00:30:13,545
Speaker 2: and it's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of it's interesting though. Everyone that's listening at home is

620
00:30:16,465 --> 00:30:17,665
Speaker 3: going to be like this.

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Speaker 1: It is different.

622
00:30:19,025 --> 00:30:21,705
Speaker 2: It's cool, but I love it and thank you for

623
00:30:22,345 --> 00:30:24,465
Speaker 2: embracing it, for embracing different.

624
00:30:24,985 --> 00:30:26,345
Speaker 1: You know, I've admitted it.

625
00:30:26,425 --> 00:30:28,145
Speaker 2: I'm closited. Woo woo it is.

626
00:30:28,145 --> 00:30:29,025
Speaker 1: That's so closited.

627
00:30:30,385 --> 00:30:35,345
Speaker 3: Oh we all that was such a warm and beautiful conversation.

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Speaker 3: I think that we all feel like we've had a big,

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Speaker 3: warm hug after that. If you want to find out

630
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Speaker 3: more about Danny and She's so well, check out She's

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Speaker 3: so Well dot com Today you thanks so much for

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Speaker 3: listening or watching us. Don't forget to follow us on TikTok, Instagram,

633
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Speaker 3: delivered straight to your inbox, and see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Bye yeah,