1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,465 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,225 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,225 --> 00:00:21,745 Speaker 1: Makeup is My Therapy. 5 00:00:21,945 --> 00:00:24,985 Speaker 3: I'm in love, I'm obsess and I'm don't even feel 6 00:00:25,025 --> 00:00:30,185 Speaker 3: guilty about it. Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the 7 00:00:30,345 --> 00:00:33,585 Speaker 3: daily podcast for your Face. I'm Aaron Dougherty and welcome 8 00:00:33,585 --> 00:00:36,945 Speaker 3: to the formula. Every week I sit down with celebs 9 00:00:36,985 --> 00:00:39,225 Speaker 3: and some of the biggest names in beauty and take 10 00:00:39,225 --> 00:00:43,145 Speaker 3: a look into their skincare routines. Today, we've got doctor 11 00:00:43,225 --> 00:00:46,785 Speaker 3: Alice Rudd in the hot seat. A certified dermatologist in 12 00:00:46,825 --> 00:00:48,025 Speaker 3: Australia and the UK. 13 00:00:48,505 --> 00:00:49,625 Speaker 4: Doctor Alice is a. 14 00:00:49,505 --> 00:00:53,145 Speaker 3: Go to expert for tackling everything from sun damage and 15 00:00:53,185 --> 00:00:57,305 Speaker 3: pigmentation to acne and exhama. If you follow doctor Alice 16 00:00:57,345 --> 00:01:00,985 Speaker 3: on social media, you'll also know she loves debunking some 17 00:01:01,105 --> 00:01:04,865 Speaker 3: of the biggest skin myths and viral trends. Today, Doctor 18 00:01:04,905 --> 00:01:07,705 Speaker 3: Alice is going to share all her expertise with us, 19 00:01:07,905 --> 00:01:11,785 Speaker 3: including the treatments and skincare to stop doing during summer 20 00:01:12,065 --> 00:01:14,145 Speaker 3: and the stuff that you can start doing now to 21 00:01:14,225 --> 00:01:16,705 Speaker 3: give you the best skin for the new year. This 22 00:01:16,865 --> 00:01:20,305 Speaker 3: is every trick, doctor Alice uses to tame your seasonal 23 00:01:20,345 --> 00:01:27,785 Speaker 3: skins worse behavior. You are such beautiful skin, but how Alice, 24 00:01:27,945 --> 00:01:31,265 Speaker 3: I'm so excited to get into our chat today. Obviously 25 00:01:31,905 --> 00:01:35,105 Speaker 3: it's getting warmer, so many of us have started switching 26 00:01:35,185 --> 00:01:38,185 Speaker 3: up our skincare routines. We've kind of ditched the thick 27 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:42,025 Speaker 3: moisturizers where trying to up our SPF. I know we 28 00:01:42,025 --> 00:01:45,105 Speaker 3: should be wearing all year round anyway, but what are 29 00:01:45,145 --> 00:01:49,385 Speaker 3: some of your top tips for seasonal skincare? Should we 30 00:01:49,465 --> 00:01:50,825 Speaker 3: be switching up our routine? 31 00:01:51,265 --> 00:01:54,825 Speaker 2: Exactly as you mentioned, we generally don't need quite as 32 00:01:54,865 --> 00:01:57,985 Speaker 2: heavy a moisturizer at this time of year. As the 33 00:01:57,985 --> 00:02:01,505 Speaker 2: weather changes, it becomes more humid, there's less dry and 34 00:02:01,585 --> 00:02:04,505 Speaker 2: as to the air, and it warms up naturally, our 35 00:02:04,545 --> 00:02:06,545 Speaker 2: skin will be less dry as a result of it. 36 00:02:06,625 --> 00:02:09,505 Speaker 2: There's less osmotic effect into the atmosphere, so you will 37 00:02:10,465 --> 00:02:12,345 Speaker 2: that you're not as scaly and dry on the lower 38 00:02:12,385 --> 00:02:14,545 Speaker 2: parts of your legs as you are in winter. You 39 00:02:14,545 --> 00:02:16,265 Speaker 2: know it comes up on your black pants. You won't 40 00:02:16,265 --> 00:02:18,025 Speaker 2: find that happens as much at this time of year. 41 00:02:18,425 --> 00:02:22,385 Speaker 2: You could potentially reduce the thickness of your moisturize it 42 00:02:22,425 --> 00:02:24,505 Speaker 2: to something a bit more of a lotion base rather 43 00:02:24,585 --> 00:02:26,785 Speaker 2: than a cream or ointment base, which is a little 44 00:02:26,785 --> 00:02:29,105 Speaker 2: bit lighter. It's also better for the clothes that we 45 00:02:29,105 --> 00:02:30,345 Speaker 2: were at this time of the year in case it 46 00:02:30,425 --> 00:02:33,785 Speaker 2: rubs off on those. I always recommend that people don't 47 00:02:33,865 --> 00:02:35,865 Speaker 2: use a soap in the shower, and that you use 48 00:02:35,905 --> 00:02:39,585 Speaker 2: a soap substitute. I think that that's always important, regardless 49 00:02:39,625 --> 00:02:40,265 Speaker 2: of what time. 50 00:02:40,105 --> 00:02:40,865 Speaker 1: Of the year it is. 51 00:02:41,545 --> 00:02:47,065 Speaker 2: I certainly personally use more sun protecting skincare ingredients at 52 00:02:47,065 --> 00:02:49,985 Speaker 2: this time of the year. So I think antioxidants are 53 00:02:50,025 --> 00:02:52,385 Speaker 2: really important at all times of the year, but there's 54 00:02:52,465 --> 00:02:55,305 Speaker 2: certainly important when you in the summer months and you've 55 00:02:55,345 --> 00:03:00,385 Speaker 2: got increased few exposure, so pigment blocking agents as well, 56 00:03:00,865 --> 00:03:05,425 Speaker 2: and also making sure that you still use your retinols 57 00:03:05,465 --> 00:03:06,265 Speaker 2: even in the summer. 58 00:03:06,545 --> 00:03:08,785 Speaker 3: I think that's the thing, because people get really scared 59 00:03:08,825 --> 00:03:12,665 Speaker 3: obviously that you can mess up your skin wearing retinol 60 00:03:12,945 --> 00:03:16,025 Speaker 3: because of sun exposure. But obviously you should absolutely still 61 00:03:16,065 --> 00:03:20,545 Speaker 3: be wearing sunscreen every day anyway. And you mentioned antioxidants, 62 00:03:20,585 --> 00:03:23,505 Speaker 3: so we should be using vitamin C, SMS and things 63 00:03:23,585 --> 00:03:23,945 Speaker 3: like that. 64 00:03:24,305 --> 00:03:29,745 Speaker 1: Yes, and no, what you know, I'm not a big 65 00:03:29,785 --> 00:03:31,305 Speaker 1: fan of vitamin C in general. 66 00:03:31,945 --> 00:03:34,905 Speaker 2: It's kind of like one of my hate ingredients because 67 00:03:35,345 --> 00:03:38,105 Speaker 2: well a lot of love hate relationship with it. You know, 68 00:03:38,185 --> 00:03:41,225 Speaker 2: as you probably know, vitamin C is very very hard 69 00:03:41,265 --> 00:03:45,945 Speaker 2: to formulate. It's very unstable. So a scorbic acid, which 70 00:03:46,025 --> 00:03:48,745 Speaker 2: is the active form of the vitamin C in our skin, 71 00:03:49,225 --> 00:03:51,545 Speaker 2: is really hard to formulate. So often products will be 72 00:03:51,585 --> 00:03:54,425 Speaker 2: made in a precursor form which then breaks down to 73 00:03:54,465 --> 00:03:56,985 Speaker 2: this scorbic acid in our skin. So a lot of 74 00:03:56,985 --> 00:03:59,065 Speaker 2: the time, even though the product says it's got vitamin 75 00:03:59,145 --> 00:04:01,185 Speaker 2: C or a scorbic acid, it may not actually be 76 00:04:01,265 --> 00:04:04,505 Speaker 2: formulated well, so it might not actually do what it 77 00:04:04,545 --> 00:04:06,425 Speaker 2: says is going to do in the skin. That's my 78 00:04:06,505 --> 00:04:08,785 Speaker 2: first problem with it. My second problem with it is 79 00:04:08,825 --> 00:04:12,065 Speaker 2: it is an acid, and it is irritating in anybody 80 00:04:12,105 --> 00:04:16,785 Speaker 2: who has sensitive skin that's either acnogenic acne prone or 81 00:04:16,945 --> 00:04:21,385 Speaker 2: red riisation prone or sensitive vitamins. Is really irritating and 82 00:04:21,425 --> 00:04:24,865 Speaker 2: it's a really big cause of redness facial redness that 83 00:04:24,865 --> 00:04:27,625 Speaker 2: I see in my practice. So I think unless it's 84 00:04:27,625 --> 00:04:30,385 Speaker 2: really well formulated and very gentle, it's a really difficult 85 00:04:30,425 --> 00:04:31,265 Speaker 2: product to use. 86 00:04:31,785 --> 00:04:34,825 Speaker 3: A lot of people just think it's everywhere, everyone uses it, 87 00:04:34,865 --> 00:04:36,545 Speaker 3: so I have to use it to But it really, 88 00:04:36,585 --> 00:04:38,825 Speaker 3: as you said, comes down to your individual skin type 89 00:04:38,825 --> 00:04:41,265 Speaker 3: and what you're putting on your face as well. Talk 90 00:04:41,305 --> 00:04:44,305 Speaker 3: to me a little bit about you mentioned the basic 91 00:04:44,385 --> 00:04:47,865 Speaker 3: skin care routine. Would you say we should go for 92 00:04:47,945 --> 00:04:50,745 Speaker 3: something that's like a basic skincare routine as opposed to 93 00:04:50,785 --> 00:04:53,505 Speaker 3: like a more complex one as we go into summer 94 00:04:53,665 --> 00:04:55,465 Speaker 3: or does it just depend on your skin type. 95 00:04:55,545 --> 00:04:57,825 Speaker 2: I think it depends on your skin type to some degree, 96 00:04:57,865 --> 00:05:00,465 Speaker 2: and it also depends on the active ingredients that you're using. 97 00:05:00,905 --> 00:05:02,545 Speaker 1: But I do generally feel. 98 00:05:02,265 --> 00:05:06,945 Speaker 2: That, as a rule, most people overcomplicating their skin care regimes, 99 00:05:06,945 --> 00:05:09,865 Speaker 2: and particularly when it comes to people like teenagers. Don't 100 00:05:09,945 --> 00:05:13,585 Speaker 2: need twelve products on your skin when you're twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen. 101 00:05:14,065 --> 00:05:16,305 Speaker 2: It's all become very complicated, and I think social media 102 00:05:16,345 --> 00:05:18,665 Speaker 2: has a lot to answer for that, where it's glamorizing 103 00:05:18,705 --> 00:05:21,065 Speaker 2: the products and they look pretty and the packaging is beautiful, 104 00:05:21,265 --> 00:05:25,025 Speaker 2: but we really essentially don't need all of that stuff necessarily. 105 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:27,665 Speaker 2: So I just think whether it's summer or winter, I 106 00:05:27,705 --> 00:05:30,865 Speaker 2: think a simplification of asking care routines is probably what's 107 00:05:30,905 --> 00:05:32,025 Speaker 2: required across a port. 108 00:05:32,305 --> 00:05:32,865 Speaker 4: That's the thing. 109 00:05:32,905 --> 00:05:36,145 Speaker 3: It's like everyone doesn't need eleventy million products on their face, 110 00:05:36,185 --> 00:05:38,745 Speaker 3: even though we're fed all of the products every day 111 00:05:38,785 --> 00:05:41,625 Speaker 3: on our social media. Is when it comes to different 112 00:05:41,625 --> 00:05:45,745 Speaker 3: skin concerns people might experience coming into summer. You mentioned 113 00:05:45,825 --> 00:05:48,185 Speaker 3: drier skin might not be as stry. What are the 114 00:05:48,305 --> 00:05:49,945 Speaker 3: kind of concerns might we see. 115 00:05:50,105 --> 00:05:52,865 Speaker 2: Obviously we're going to see pigmentation. That's going to be 116 00:05:52,865 --> 00:05:56,025 Speaker 2: a big concern coming into summer. Increase you've exposure, particularly 117 00:05:56,065 --> 00:06:00,345 Speaker 2: to UVA certainly is more prevalent even in spring, not 118 00:06:00,425 --> 00:06:00,905 Speaker 2: just summer. 119 00:06:01,305 --> 00:06:03,025 Speaker 1: Definitely going to see more pigmentation. 120 00:06:03,225 --> 00:06:05,225 Speaker 2: We're certainly going to see more redness as well because 121 00:06:05,225 --> 00:06:08,745 Speaker 2: it's hotter and that could often flare up people's underlying 122 00:06:08,865 --> 00:06:10,385 Speaker 2: roisation and even exma. 123 00:06:11,065 --> 00:06:12,025 Speaker 1: And of course we just. 124 00:06:12,025 --> 00:06:13,585 Speaker 2: Don't want to get any sun that's going to cause 125 00:06:13,625 --> 00:06:17,305 Speaker 2: any wrinkles or sun damage. They're probably the things we 126 00:06:17,305 --> 00:06:19,785 Speaker 2: start need to look towards more than a lot of hydration, 127 00:06:19,905 --> 00:06:21,345 Speaker 2: but probably need to look at more prevention. 128 00:06:22,025 --> 00:06:23,625 Speaker 3: I really want to ask you as soon as you 129 00:06:23,665 --> 00:06:26,145 Speaker 3: pretty much sat down, if we're looking to make which 130 00:06:26,185 --> 00:06:28,745 Speaker 3: is in our skin car routine, does a higher price 131 00:06:28,825 --> 00:06:31,425 Speaker 3: point necessarily mean better or can we. 132 00:06:31,345 --> 00:06:33,465 Speaker 4: Look at really good budget options as well. 133 00:06:33,825 --> 00:06:36,145 Speaker 2: Absolutely do not need to spend a lot of money 134 00:06:36,185 --> 00:06:39,145 Speaker 2: on certain products. I always tell my patients because everyone's 135 00:06:39,145 --> 00:06:40,865 Speaker 2: on a budget at the moment, cost of living it's 136 00:06:40,865 --> 00:06:43,545 Speaker 2: affecting everybody. I don't believe that you need to spend 137 00:06:43,545 --> 00:06:45,705 Speaker 2: a lot of money on certain products. For example, I 138 00:06:45,785 --> 00:06:47,625 Speaker 2: absolutely would not spend a lot of money on a 139 00:06:47,625 --> 00:06:51,385 Speaker 2: cleanser because it literally stays on your skin. For if 140 00:06:51,425 --> 00:06:54,145 Speaker 2: you're like me, two seconds should be two minutes, but 141 00:06:54,865 --> 00:06:56,905 Speaker 2: cleansing your skin is it's on your skin for a 142 00:06:57,065 --> 00:06:59,185 Speaker 2: very short time, so it doesn't deliver a lot of 143 00:06:59,225 --> 00:07:02,705 Speaker 2: active ingredients. So you know, really simple products like the 144 00:07:02,745 --> 00:07:06,105 Speaker 2: E forty five foaming facial cleanser. You know, sometimes even 145 00:07:06,105 --> 00:07:07,865 Speaker 2: just water in the morning if you're super sensitive, you 146 00:07:07,865 --> 00:07:09,305 Speaker 2: don't need to spend a lot and that can be 147 00:07:09,345 --> 00:07:12,425 Speaker 2: really simple and then you save your money for the 148 00:07:12,425 --> 00:07:13,665 Speaker 2: more expensive products. 149 00:07:13,985 --> 00:07:15,585 Speaker 4: So where would you spend. 150 00:07:15,545 --> 00:07:17,505 Speaker 2: I always spend money on a serum in the morning 151 00:07:17,545 --> 00:07:20,505 Speaker 2: that contakes a nice Cinnamai Vitamin B three is a 152 00:07:20,545 --> 00:07:23,545 Speaker 2: really powerful antioxidant which is great for going into summer. 153 00:07:23,785 --> 00:07:26,825 Speaker 2: It helps prevent sun damage it also helps pigmentation, and 154 00:07:26,945 --> 00:07:29,825 Speaker 2: it's a barrier repairer. You could combine that with a 155 00:07:29,945 --> 00:07:32,625 Speaker 2: very plain moisturiser, you know, like the E forty five 156 00:07:32,665 --> 00:07:36,105 Speaker 2: face cream or something very simple with not too many 157 00:07:36,185 --> 00:07:39,265 Speaker 2: ingredients in it, and at night. Obviously, I just love 158 00:07:39,345 --> 00:07:42,785 Speaker 2: retinol in almost all skin types. It's great for acne 159 00:07:42,785 --> 00:07:46,345 Speaker 2: ERASASA aging, and then combining that with a very simple, 160 00:07:46,425 --> 00:07:48,785 Speaker 2: cheap moisturizer. So I think a B and an A 161 00:07:49,465 --> 00:07:51,505 Speaker 2: would kind of be like my two go to step one. 162 00:07:51,785 --> 00:07:54,345 Speaker 2: Spend your money on those and not on the cleanses 163 00:07:54,345 --> 00:07:55,105 Speaker 2: and the moisturizers. 164 00:07:55,425 --> 00:07:57,745 Speaker 3: Okay, I love that because we're all looking to save, 165 00:07:57,825 --> 00:08:00,025 Speaker 3: as you said, and it can be very confusing because 166 00:08:00,545 --> 00:08:03,345 Speaker 3: some stuff is very very expensive out there. I want 167 00:08:03,345 --> 00:08:06,305 Speaker 3: to talk to you about treatments. Are there any specific 168 00:08:06,345 --> 00:08:10,505 Speaker 3: treatments you would suggest upping in summer or of in summer? 169 00:08:10,745 --> 00:08:13,945 Speaker 2: We have to avoid laser Generally, anything that creates heat 170 00:08:14,105 --> 00:08:16,665 Speaker 2: in the skin. If it then gets exposed to some 171 00:08:17,105 --> 00:08:21,425 Speaker 2: we risk what's called post inflammatory hyperpigmentation, so excess or 172 00:08:21,465 --> 00:08:24,425 Speaker 2: more pigmentation in the skin. So generally we avoid heat 173 00:08:24,425 --> 00:08:27,265 Speaker 2: based devices such as laser. I love doing a summer 174 00:08:27,265 --> 00:08:30,825 Speaker 2: in fact actually having a treatment tonight Nealy. So manufactural 175 00:08:30,905 --> 00:08:33,425 Speaker 2: radio frequency or micro and needle are really like sun 176 00:08:33,745 --> 00:08:35,985 Speaker 2: weather independent, so you can certainly do those at any 177 00:08:36,025 --> 00:08:38,105 Speaker 2: time of the year. And I love to build collagen 178 00:08:38,105 --> 00:08:40,305 Speaker 2: at this time of the year because that's the same 179 00:08:40,385 --> 00:08:42,345 Speaker 2: kind of treatment to do when you're in summer. In winter, 180 00:08:42,385 --> 00:08:45,545 Speaker 2: I like to treat pigmentation, texture and tone. But now 181 00:08:45,785 --> 00:08:47,585 Speaker 2: like this is my collagen building months. 182 00:08:47,665 --> 00:08:49,025 Speaker 4: It's college and sales. 183 00:08:49,265 --> 00:08:51,825 Speaker 1: LEDs and needlie are kind of like my summer go tos. 184 00:08:52,185 --> 00:08:52,505 Speaker 4: Okay. 185 00:08:52,545 --> 00:08:54,545 Speaker 3: I love that we've had a lot of experts on 186 00:08:54,625 --> 00:08:57,705 Speaker 3: recently talking about the benefits of IF, micro and needling. 187 00:08:58,185 --> 00:09:01,865 Speaker 3: It's kind of exploded. So that's really really good to hear. 188 00:09:02,385 --> 00:09:05,505 Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about what kind of concerns 189 00:09:05,585 --> 00:09:08,345 Speaker 3: you see people walk through your clinic doors with. What 190 00:09:08,385 --> 00:09:10,665 Speaker 3: are some of the most common things that people are 191 00:09:10,665 --> 00:09:12,265 Speaker 3: dealing with when it comes to their skin. 192 00:09:12,665 --> 00:09:16,185 Speaker 2: Acne is probably one of my biggest concerns. I would 193 00:09:16,185 --> 00:09:19,625 Speaker 2: say like half my practice is acne. You know, across 194 00:09:19,625 --> 00:09:22,465 Speaker 2: the age groups, but predominantly I see women in their 195 00:09:22,505 --> 00:09:25,385 Speaker 2: sort of late twenties or mid twenties, thirties with acne. 196 00:09:25,425 --> 00:09:28,665 Speaker 2: Hormone or acne, especially post peel acne. But I also 197 00:09:28,705 --> 00:09:31,105 Speaker 2: see teenagers and women in the metaphors we having acne. 198 00:09:31,185 --> 00:09:33,025 Speaker 2: I think that's a huge problem, and I think that's 199 00:09:33,065 --> 00:09:36,585 Speaker 2: becoming more common. I think probably roseacea is the next 200 00:09:36,585 --> 00:09:38,625 Speaker 2: most common thing I see, and that can present in 201 00:09:38,705 --> 00:09:42,145 Speaker 2: so many different ways. Roseaes you can present it's just insensitivity, 202 00:09:42,265 --> 00:09:45,185 Speaker 2: but it can also be patios and pustules, and you know, 203 00:09:45,225 --> 00:09:48,105 Speaker 2: facial redness. They're probably my top two, but of course 204 00:09:48,185 --> 00:09:51,225 Speaker 2: you know then X marsarasis and skin cancer. 205 00:09:51,745 --> 00:09:55,865 Speaker 3: Just touching back on acne, I know it depends on 206 00:09:56,225 --> 00:09:58,745 Speaker 3: you know, the person, but what kind of things would 207 00:09:58,745 --> 00:10:02,185 Speaker 3: you look at in terms of fixing acne prone skin. 208 00:10:02,665 --> 00:10:05,265 Speaker 2: Well, the one thing that so many people ask me 209 00:10:05,305 --> 00:10:09,705 Speaker 2: about is what is the root cause? And I so 210 00:10:10,225 --> 00:10:14,905 Speaker 2: disappointingly tell everybody there is no root cause. It is 211 00:10:15,225 --> 00:10:20,025 Speaker 2: a multifactorial disease, a chronic disease. Most of the time 212 00:10:20,305 --> 00:10:22,465 Speaker 2: the cause is genetic, so you've got a. 213 00:10:22,385 --> 00:10:23,425 Speaker 1: Tendency to getting it. 214 00:10:23,705 --> 00:10:26,305 Speaker 2: And then you add in some hormones, whether it's you know, 215 00:10:26,585 --> 00:10:30,505 Speaker 2: teenage or the pill or stress which promotes cortisol, which 216 00:10:30,545 --> 00:10:33,825 Speaker 2: is a hormone. It's usually triggered by stress, and it 217 00:10:33,825 --> 00:10:36,505 Speaker 2: can certainly be made worse by using the wrong products 218 00:10:36,505 --> 00:10:40,265 Speaker 2: on your skin and too much makeup and to some degree, diet. 219 00:10:40,505 --> 00:10:42,465 Speaker 2: But I try to talk people out of this whole 220 00:10:42,505 --> 00:10:44,665 Speaker 2: notion of trying to find a root cause, because it 221 00:10:44,825 --> 00:10:48,225 Speaker 2: generally isn't unless you have a known androgen issue like 222 00:10:48,265 --> 00:10:49,785 Speaker 2: a polycystic a an syndrome. 223 00:10:49,985 --> 00:10:51,545 Speaker 1: It's almost always genetic. 224 00:10:52,025 --> 00:10:55,265 Speaker 3: It's such a fickle concern, and I feel that, you know, 225 00:10:55,265 --> 00:10:58,025 Speaker 3: when you get into your thirties and forties and you're 226 00:10:58,065 --> 00:11:00,825 Speaker 3: dealing with acne prone skin, you're kind of like, what 227 00:11:00,905 --> 00:11:02,985 Speaker 3: the hell is going on here, especially if you haven't 228 00:11:02,985 --> 00:11:07,745 Speaker 3: had it before. It's just so annoying because you're like, 229 00:11:07,785 --> 00:11:11,065 Speaker 3: there must be something I'm doing wrong, and there usually isn't. 230 00:11:11,105 --> 00:11:12,025 Speaker 1: It's just bad luck. 231 00:11:12,265 --> 00:11:14,425 Speaker 2: Rather than searching for the answer, is you just search 232 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:25,145 Speaker 2: for the right treatment for your skin? I mean, what 233 00:11:25,345 --> 00:11:31,825 Speaker 2: is your self carerots you give us the dirty. 234 00:11:30,585 --> 00:11:34,105 Speaker 3: I want to move on to your skincare routine because 235 00:11:34,265 --> 00:11:36,065 Speaker 3: you have that beautiful, glowing skin. 236 00:11:36,465 --> 00:11:37,665 Speaker 4: I want you to talk us. 237 00:11:37,585 --> 00:11:41,265 Speaker 3: Through what kind of products you use, what steps are involved, 238 00:11:41,305 --> 00:11:42,585 Speaker 3: what ingredients you use. 239 00:11:42,985 --> 00:11:45,825 Speaker 2: I'll start with a nighttime routine, so I always use 240 00:11:45,905 --> 00:11:48,305 Speaker 2: I wear makeup during the day and two layser sunscreen, 241 00:11:48,545 --> 00:11:51,145 Speaker 2: so I need to get that off at night. 242 00:11:51,345 --> 00:11:53,585 Speaker 1: I always use a pre cleansed. 243 00:11:53,185 --> 00:11:57,185 Speaker 2: Farm, which has no soap, doesn't foam, so it's like 244 00:11:57,225 --> 00:11:59,905 Speaker 2: an oil, you know, a cleansing oil to get all 245 00:11:59,945 --> 00:12:02,305 Speaker 2: the makeup off and you don't get that tied right feeling. 246 00:12:02,545 --> 00:12:03,745 Speaker 4: What ones are your favorite? 247 00:12:03,945 --> 00:12:07,025 Speaker 1: I use the Rationale pre cleanse Farm. 248 00:12:07,185 --> 00:12:10,225 Speaker 4: She's Bouji, but yeah, I'm. 249 00:12:10,185 --> 00:12:11,705 Speaker 1: Very lucky to have access to that. 250 00:12:12,105 --> 00:12:14,985 Speaker 2: But I do love there's an oxy biome one that 251 00:12:15,025 --> 00:12:17,105 Speaker 2: comes from Dermocetic, which is a French brand. 252 00:12:17,385 --> 00:12:18,705 Speaker 1: Anything that's got a little. 253 00:12:18,465 --> 00:12:20,945 Speaker 2: Bit of oil in it with a water that will 254 00:12:20,945 --> 00:12:24,065 Speaker 2: emulsify so then you like can remove your top layer. 255 00:12:24,065 --> 00:12:25,785 Speaker 2: I always do that and I just like that as 256 00:12:25,825 --> 00:12:27,945 Speaker 2: part of my routine because it does make me feel bougie. 257 00:12:28,665 --> 00:12:30,345 Speaker 2: I said, I don't spend money on a cleanser, but 258 00:12:30,385 --> 00:12:31,945 Speaker 2: I do love that freet cleans Well, we. 259 00:12:32,025 --> 00:12:33,625 Speaker 4: Got to have the simple little joys. 260 00:12:33,665 --> 00:12:36,585 Speaker 3: Okay, like my little night time routine if it's for me, 261 00:12:37,185 --> 00:12:39,385 Speaker 3: and then I use a cream cleanser, so I don't 262 00:12:39,505 --> 00:12:41,785 Speaker 3: use any foaming cleanses generally try not to. 263 00:12:41,825 --> 00:12:43,705 Speaker 1: And this is a very very mild foame. 264 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:47,745 Speaker 2: I often use the number four rationale cleanser as well, 265 00:12:48,025 --> 00:12:51,905 Speaker 2: or sometimes I might use I mean, as I said, 266 00:12:52,065 --> 00:12:55,505 Speaker 2: it's whatever really with the cleanser, and then I just 267 00:12:55,585 --> 00:12:57,745 Speaker 2: kind of pat dry my face, which I actually do 268 00:12:57,785 --> 00:12:59,185 Speaker 2: it more roughly than I should. 269 00:12:59,745 --> 00:13:00,745 Speaker 1: I then usually. 270 00:13:00,505 --> 00:13:04,465 Speaker 2: Always apply depending on alternating nights, I'll do hydroxy acids 271 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:08,585 Speaker 2: I like the Skin Better clearing serum or the rationale 272 00:13:08,625 --> 00:13:12,265 Speaker 2: number five, which hydroxy beta and alpha hydroxy asses. 273 00:13:12,465 --> 00:13:14,305 Speaker 1: I always like to put that first because. 274 00:13:13,985 --> 00:13:17,025 Speaker 2: That just paves the way for your other active ingredients 275 00:13:17,065 --> 00:13:20,225 Speaker 2: to get in. So then I will use either the 276 00:13:20,265 --> 00:13:22,825 Speaker 2: Skin Better I love the Skin Better Science. It's again 277 00:13:22,905 --> 00:13:25,745 Speaker 2: pretty bougey, but they have an alpharette cerum which has 278 00:13:25,785 --> 00:13:28,145 Speaker 2: retinol in it as well as some acids. Or I 279 00:13:28,185 --> 00:13:32,145 Speaker 2: would use a prescription retinoid over the top, and that 280 00:13:32,185 --> 00:13:34,345 Speaker 2: would usually be three to four nights a week, depending 281 00:13:34,385 --> 00:13:35,825 Speaker 2: on how what time of the years. And now I'll 282 00:13:35,825 --> 00:13:38,945 Speaker 2: probably use it more because my skin's less dry. The retinoles. 283 00:13:38,945 --> 00:13:40,665 Speaker 2: I find you dry me a little bit, particularly in 284 00:13:40,705 --> 00:13:41,825 Speaker 2: the central part of the phase. 285 00:13:41,985 --> 00:13:43,985 Speaker 4: I probably should have asked you before, so what kind 286 00:13:44,025 --> 00:13:44,905 Speaker 4: of skin type do you have? 287 00:13:45,305 --> 00:13:46,785 Speaker 1: I've got probably a combination. 288 00:13:46,865 --> 00:13:49,145 Speaker 2: But I used to suffer with acne when I was younger, 289 00:13:49,305 --> 00:13:51,705 Speaker 2: but I probably now have a more dry skin time. 290 00:13:52,145 --> 00:13:54,265 Speaker 2: But I'm a bit combo like so many people. I 291 00:13:54,305 --> 00:13:56,105 Speaker 2: get really dry my central cheeks, but then I'm a 292 00:13:56,105 --> 00:13:58,545 Speaker 2: little bit early on the T zone, so I sometimes 293 00:13:58,585 --> 00:14:00,305 Speaker 2: will just put my asses on the T zone and 294 00:14:00,305 --> 00:14:02,425 Speaker 2: then just put mos starizes on my cheeks sometimes, So 295 00:14:03,025 --> 00:14:05,905 Speaker 2: it just depends on where my skin's are at each time. 296 00:14:06,505 --> 00:14:09,345 Speaker 2: And then I would usually just use a very basic moisturizer, 297 00:14:09,785 --> 00:14:12,305 Speaker 2: so I like something with a probiotic or a prebiotic 298 00:14:12,305 --> 00:14:16,105 Speaker 2: in it. I'll use other aspect probodic masks, or I 299 00:14:16,225 --> 00:14:19,905 Speaker 2: might use just a very simple moisturize and that's got 300 00:14:19,945 --> 00:14:21,985 Speaker 2: nothing else in it. If I'm specially if I'm using 301 00:14:21,985 --> 00:14:23,385 Speaker 2: a prescription retinoid. 302 00:14:23,625 --> 00:14:25,385 Speaker 1: And I started to introduce peptides. 303 00:14:25,425 --> 00:14:27,745 Speaker 2: Ask In citicals have a product called peox which is 304 00:14:27,785 --> 00:14:31,785 Speaker 2: basically like peptides. So you know, I'm evidence based. There's 305 00:14:31,825 --> 00:14:34,225 Speaker 2: some evidence perhaps that peptides can help with you know, 306 00:14:34,345 --> 00:14:37,385 Speaker 2: stem cells and regenerations. So I've started to introduce that 307 00:14:37,465 --> 00:14:38,265 Speaker 2: a few times a week. 308 00:14:38,505 --> 00:14:40,585 Speaker 4: Have you noticed any different since using that? 309 00:14:40,905 --> 00:14:41,985 Speaker 1: I've been hard to say yeah. 310 00:14:42,265 --> 00:14:44,425 Speaker 2: I mean my skin doesn't really change that much from 311 00:14:44,505 --> 00:14:46,705 Speaker 2: day to day, but I haven't noticed it yet. 312 00:14:46,825 --> 00:14:50,225 Speaker 3: Pep Patro another really big ingredient that kind of blew 313 00:14:50,345 --> 00:14:52,145 Speaker 3: up this year, Like I see it in so many 314 00:14:52,185 --> 00:14:56,025 Speaker 3: different products, So keep me posted. It's like, please do 315 00:14:57,185 --> 00:14:59,705 Speaker 3: talk to me about your morning routine. 316 00:14:59,745 --> 00:15:00,665 Speaker 4: What does that look like? 317 00:15:00,945 --> 00:15:03,945 Speaker 2: So I washed just in the shower with water, and then, 318 00:15:04,025 --> 00:15:06,705 Speaker 2: as I said before, I love nice Cinema vibamin B three, 319 00:15:07,385 --> 00:15:10,305 Speaker 2: so I will always have a product that contains that. 320 00:15:10,865 --> 00:15:12,785 Speaker 2: Because it's now summer and I'm a bit prone to 321 00:15:12,825 --> 00:15:17,065 Speaker 2: malasma and pigmentation. Are using the Alto Defense serum, which 322 00:15:17,105 --> 00:15:19,985 Speaker 2: has like nineteen antioxidants, none of which is viamin z 323 00:15:20,705 --> 00:15:23,785 Speaker 2: and yeah, and so I use that in the morning 324 00:15:23,785 --> 00:15:26,225 Speaker 2: and that's really tolerable. And then I will usually use 325 00:15:26,225 --> 00:15:29,665 Speaker 2: a Nice Cinema usually either a cream or a serum, 326 00:15:29,705 --> 00:15:33,065 Speaker 2: but I'm switching now from the cream version of Nice 327 00:15:33,065 --> 00:15:36,985 Speaker 2: Cinemai to a serum. Either will use Rationale or the 328 00:15:37,065 --> 00:15:40,065 Speaker 2: Aspect multib And then I usually. 329 00:15:39,825 --> 00:15:42,905 Speaker 1: Use SPF Okay every Sunday. And as I said, I 330 00:15:42,985 --> 00:15:44,585 Speaker 1: have a tinted one and a non tinted and I. 331 00:15:44,545 --> 00:15:47,625 Speaker 3: Do two layers if there's one serum that you would 332 00:15:47,665 --> 00:15:49,825 Speaker 3: say everyone should have in their morning routine, would you 333 00:15:49,865 --> 00:15:53,025 Speaker 3: say NA Cinema because it is like a multitasker, as 334 00:15:53,025 --> 00:15:54,225 Speaker 3: you said, and it's got. 335 00:15:54,225 --> 00:15:57,225 Speaker 1: Really good evidence that it works in the long term. 336 00:15:56,905 --> 00:15:59,185 Speaker 3: And you can get so many good affordable ones as well. 337 00:15:59,185 --> 00:16:02,905 Speaker 3: I'm using the ordinary ordinary zinc. 338 00:16:03,345 --> 00:16:04,865 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because that's got zinc. 339 00:16:04,905 --> 00:16:07,065 Speaker 2: It's a little bit more drying and less hydrating than 340 00:16:07,065 --> 00:16:08,985 Speaker 2: some of the bees out there, but that's fine if 341 00:16:08,985 --> 00:16:10,545 Speaker 2: you've got a bit of a slight oily skin. 342 00:16:11,065 --> 00:16:12,785 Speaker 4: I do not, so thank you for letting me know. 343 00:16:13,385 --> 00:16:17,865 Speaker 3: Oh maybe I should just go to plane NA Sannaway 344 00:16:17,905 --> 00:16:19,065 Speaker 3: then yeah, I well think is not. 345 00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:20,825 Speaker 2: I mean it's drying since trying to use it for 346 00:16:20,865 --> 00:16:23,265 Speaker 2: things like acne, So it is a little bit less 347 00:16:23,345 --> 00:16:25,305 Speaker 2: hydrated than some of the other bass serums out there. 348 00:16:25,945 --> 00:16:28,825 Speaker 3: Okay, I have like no hydration, not me just getting 349 00:16:28,865 --> 00:16:33,305 Speaker 3: a little sneaky consolidation right now. What kind of treatments 350 00:16:33,305 --> 00:16:35,425 Speaker 3: do you have? Do you have any regular treatments? 351 00:16:35,705 --> 00:16:37,785 Speaker 2: Once a year in winter, I do a big a 352 00:16:37,865 --> 00:16:40,825 Speaker 2: bladed laser, like a carbon dioxide or an erbium. So 353 00:16:40,905 --> 00:16:43,265 Speaker 2: I have like quite a few days of downtime and puffines, 354 00:16:43,345 --> 00:16:47,225 Speaker 2: but it's just that big build of collagen once a year. 355 00:16:47,785 --> 00:16:48,825 Speaker 1: I love nano frack. 356 00:16:48,905 --> 00:16:51,025 Speaker 2: I do that every season if I can and I 357 00:16:51,065 --> 00:16:53,425 Speaker 2: have time, because it's low down time and it really 358 00:16:53,545 --> 00:16:56,985 Speaker 2: does work. So then maut afactial RF and then twice 359 00:16:57,025 --> 00:16:58,905 Speaker 2: the age of appeal. So now I'll do a pigment 360 00:16:59,025 --> 00:17:02,465 Speaker 2: peel coming into summer to help prevent pigment. Sometimes I'll 361 00:17:02,465 --> 00:17:03,985 Speaker 2: do LED You have to be very careful. I have 362 00:17:04,065 --> 00:17:05,905 Speaker 2: to be very careful because I'm prone to malasma, and 363 00:17:05,945 --> 00:17:07,945 Speaker 2: as we know that malasma is a vascular condition and 364 00:17:08,345 --> 00:17:10,185 Speaker 2: LEDs sometimes can trigger for me. 365 00:17:10,505 --> 00:17:12,145 Speaker 4: I actually wanted to ask you. 366 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:16,865 Speaker 3: I've been stoking your social media and you regularly kind 367 00:17:16,865 --> 00:17:20,105 Speaker 3: of debunk some of the viral trends and viral products 368 00:17:20,105 --> 00:17:23,985 Speaker 3: and everything like that. You recently did one on collagen masks. 369 00:17:24,225 --> 00:17:27,025 Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on collagen masks because one just 370 00:17:27,025 --> 00:17:28,985 Speaker 3: came across my desk the other day and I was like, 371 00:17:30,305 --> 00:17:32,185 Speaker 3: and then I watch your video and I was like, oh, 372 00:17:32,345 --> 00:17:32,505 Speaker 3: was it. 373 00:17:32,545 --> 00:17:34,265 Speaker 4: Really going to do anything? No? 374 00:17:34,265 --> 00:17:37,625 Speaker 2: No, because I know so most of the collagen masks 375 00:17:37,785 --> 00:17:41,065 Speaker 2: have hyaluronic apps. Also, why I don't believe in hyaluronic 376 00:17:41,145 --> 00:17:45,345 Speaker 2: acid as a skincare ingredient by itself alone, because the 377 00:17:45,425 --> 00:17:51,025 Speaker 2: hyaluronic acid molecules are big, so they don't penetrate the skin. 378 00:17:51,705 --> 00:17:53,585 Speaker 1: They just sit on the top of the skin. 379 00:17:53,665 --> 00:17:55,385 Speaker 2: So whether you've got that in a serum, whether you've 380 00:17:55,385 --> 00:17:58,065 Speaker 2: got that in a mask, they don't penetrate the skin. 381 00:17:58,105 --> 00:18:01,385 Speaker 2: The only way hyaluronic acid can penetrate the skin is 382 00:18:01,425 --> 00:18:04,265 Speaker 2: to inject it. It's the only way, right, So there's 383 00:18:04,265 --> 00:18:06,985 Speaker 2: actually no point in just using a plain hi serum. 384 00:18:07,225 --> 00:18:09,345 Speaker 4: But mine's blown. I'm like, oh my god. 385 00:18:09,905 --> 00:18:13,865 Speaker 2: It is a moisturizer essentially, and it's very well tolerated. 386 00:18:14,265 --> 00:18:16,745 Speaker 2: It's a bit tacky if it's not formulated well. But 387 00:18:16,825 --> 00:18:19,065 Speaker 2: the better way to use it is in combination with 388 00:18:19,145 --> 00:18:22,505 Speaker 2: a nice cinema, in combination with a peptide so that 389 00:18:22,585 --> 00:18:26,665 Speaker 2: you've got that moisturizing effect with the active ingredient to 390 00:18:26,705 --> 00:18:27,945 Speaker 2: make the active ingredient. 391 00:18:27,665 --> 00:18:30,145 Speaker 3: More tolerable, right, So you can kind of sandwig it 392 00:18:30,225 --> 00:18:31,545 Speaker 3: in with something exactly. 393 00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:33,905 Speaker 2: That's the best use for it. It doesn't get into 394 00:18:33,905 --> 00:18:36,225 Speaker 2: the skips and provide you with any change to your skin. 395 00:18:36,425 --> 00:18:39,505 Speaker 2: It just provides temporary hydration. That is you know, you 396 00:18:39,585 --> 00:18:42,065 Speaker 2: might as well use any moisturizer. That's the problem with 397 00:18:42,265 --> 00:18:53,465 Speaker 2: ha hit You've been one of the greatest discoveries of 398 00:18:53,505 --> 00:18:57,385 Speaker 2: all time or miss never again never. 399 00:18:58,025 --> 00:19:02,105 Speaker 3: I want to know what's one skincare modality or ingredient 400 00:19:02,105 --> 00:19:05,225 Speaker 3: that you love and then something that you hate. 401 00:19:05,665 --> 00:19:07,425 Speaker 2: Well, you know I love B because I've said that 402 00:19:07,545 --> 00:19:11,625 Speaker 2: multiple times, and I love sunscreen of course, and you 403 00:19:11,665 --> 00:19:13,945 Speaker 2: know I would just go no with the c's. 404 00:19:14,545 --> 00:19:16,785 Speaker 3: You know what, You're not the first expert who's kind 405 00:19:16,785 --> 00:19:18,465 Speaker 3: of canceled vitamin C on us. 406 00:19:18,745 --> 00:19:21,665 Speaker 1: Really, yes, get the message. 407 00:19:21,745 --> 00:19:25,105 Speaker 4: Now how much do we have left? 408 00:19:25,945 --> 00:19:27,985 Speaker 2: And you know it's really been promoted for its collagen 409 00:19:28,225 --> 00:19:30,785 Speaker 2: boosting properties, and there are way better ways to boost 410 00:19:30,825 --> 00:19:34,785 Speaker 2: college and the vitamin C withour ale zuquila. So yeah, 411 00:19:34,825 --> 00:19:37,345 Speaker 2: I think like, go for B, go for A, don't 412 00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:37,745 Speaker 2: go for C. 413 00:19:38,305 --> 00:19:40,705 Speaker 3: And if we're looking to boost collagen, I think you 414 00:19:40,785 --> 00:19:44,065 Speaker 3: mentioned before RF micro needling is going to be your 415 00:19:44,065 --> 00:19:48,105 Speaker 3: best bets if you're looking for a good treatment over summer. So, 416 00:19:48,425 --> 00:19:51,425 Speaker 3: just for our listeners and also slightly for me, do 417 00:19:51,505 --> 00:19:55,105 Speaker 3: you think you can get great skin just with skincare 418 00:19:55,465 --> 00:19:58,145 Speaker 3: or do you need the treatments? 419 00:19:58,585 --> 00:19:59,585 Speaker 1: Yes, is the answer. 420 00:20:00,425 --> 00:20:04,985 Speaker 2: Definitely get a massive improvement in the quality of your. 421 00:20:04,905 --> 00:20:06,305 Speaker 1: Skin just by skincare. 422 00:20:06,665 --> 00:20:08,985 Speaker 2: In fact, I always tell my patients I will not 423 00:20:09,225 --> 00:20:11,865 Speaker 2: do a tree on you unless you do your skincare 424 00:20:11,905 --> 00:20:14,945 Speaker 2: in between, because it will maintain your results and you 425 00:20:15,145 --> 00:20:16,905 Speaker 2: never get as good a result if you don't do 426 00:20:16,945 --> 00:20:17,545 Speaker 2: your skincare. 427 00:20:17,585 --> 00:20:19,345 Speaker 1: So that's the basic. We don't do anything else. You 428 00:20:19,425 --> 00:20:20,225 Speaker 1: have to do the skincare. 429 00:20:20,425 --> 00:20:22,425 Speaker 2: People want to sell the treatments because you make more 430 00:20:22,425 --> 00:20:24,145 Speaker 2: money from treatments and skincare, but it. 431 00:20:24,185 --> 00:20:25,225 Speaker 1: Is so important. 432 00:20:25,345 --> 00:20:26,185 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking. 433 00:20:25,985 --> 00:20:28,065 Speaker 1: About germatologists like, we're all about the skin. 434 00:20:28,225 --> 00:20:31,385 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the foundation, right, Yeah, definitely, Alice, thank you 435 00:20:31,425 --> 00:20:32,985 Speaker 4: so much for coming on the show. 436 00:20:33,225 --> 00:20:36,185 Speaker 3: You are amazing and I've come away with the heap 437 00:20:36,185 --> 00:20:36,705 Speaker 3: of tips. 438 00:20:36,865 --> 00:20:39,265 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. That was actually fun. 439 00:20:39,425 --> 00:20:41,305 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for listening. 440 00:20:41,585 --> 00:20:43,785 Speaker 3: That's all we have time for today. Thank you so 441 00:20:43,905 --> 00:20:46,265 Speaker 3: much for listening to the show. If you love it, 442 00:20:46,425 --> 00:20:48,585 Speaker 3: chuck us a five star review, and if you have 443 00:20:48,705 --> 00:20:50,745 Speaker 3: a topic that you want to hear us talk about, 444 00:20:51,025 --> 00:20:54,185 Speaker 3: send us a DM on Instagram at You Beauty Podcast. 445 00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:57,345 Speaker 3: The producer of You Beauty is Cassie Merritt, with audio 446 00:20:57,385 --> 00:20:59,905 Speaker 3: production by Lou Hill, and I'll see you tomorrow. 447 00:21:00,105 --> 00:21:02,025 Speaker 1: Bye.