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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Tabor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 3: news podcast, The Quickie. In Queensland. This week, Daniel's Law

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Speaker 3: has officially come into effect. We'll tell you what the

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Speaker 3: new registry means for trafficking sex offenders and Internationally, tensions

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Speaker 3: are sky high as Australia is squeezed between Israel and Iran,

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Speaker 3: with embassies closing, envoys expelled, and blame flying in all directions.

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Speaker 3: Will unpack what's really happening before we get there. Here's

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Speaker 3: Clare Murphy with the latest from the Quikie New Room

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Speaker 3: for Thursday, August twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. As search for a fugitive who allegedly murdered

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Speaker 2: two police officers has entered a third day as Victoria

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Speaker 2: grieves for the fallen officers. Prominent Melbourne buildings, including Parliament houses,

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Speaker 2: well as other monuments across the state were lit up

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Speaker 2: in blue overnight in tribute to fifty nine year old

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Speaker 2: Detective Leading Senior Constable Neil Thompson and thirty five year

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Speaker 2: old Senior Constable Vadim de Wart, who were shot dead

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Speaker 2: while attempting to serve a search warrant at a Poropunker

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Speaker 2: property on Tuesday. Another wounded officer is expected to recover

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Speaker 2: after undergoing surgery. The accused gunman, Desi Freeman, also known

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Speaker 2: as Desmond Philby, fled into Bushland, forcing the town of

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Speaker 2: around one thousand residents in Victoria's High Country into lockdown

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Speaker 2: as police continued to pursue the gunman. Freeman was last

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Speaker 2: seen wearing dark green tracksuit pants, a dark green rain jacket,

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Speaker 2: brown blunstone boots, and reading glasses. He's believed to be

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Speaker 2: a sovereign citizen, an ideology that questions government authority and

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Speaker 2: whose followers believe the rule of law doesn't apply to

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Speaker 2: them and who disassociate from society. The movement began several

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Speaker 2: decades ago from people resisting having to pay taxes, creating

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Speaker 2: micro nations and forming anti government protests. Sovereign citizens believe

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Speaker 2: the government is fundamentally illegitimate and reject its authority, often

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Speaker 2: refusing to apply for a driver's license or follow rules

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Speaker 2: they see as violating their so called common law rights.

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Speaker 2: In Australia. The movement simmered on the fringe for many years,

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Speaker 2: but the COVID nineteen pandemic supercharged its growth. Now today's

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Speaker 2: sovereign citizens aren't just loaners. They're highly networked, using encrypted messaging,

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Speaker 2: organizing rallies, overlapping with other conspiracies, including anti vaxxeres or

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Speaker 2: far right groups, and even orchestrating legal challenges and public disruption.

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Speaker 2: There are many who post their interactions with authorities online,

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Speaker 2: showing them refusing to interact with police when pulled over

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Speaker 2: for driving offenses. Their tactics are usually nonviolent, but authorities

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Speaker 2: warn there's an underlying capacity for danger. The deep seated

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Speaker 2: distrust of government and police, plus the willingness to act

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Speaker 2: in self defense, makes each encounter potentially volatile. Australians of

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Speaker 2: Iranian heritage are facing verbal abuse and intimidation over tay

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Speaker 2: Run's involvement in two anti Semitic attacks in Sia, Sydney

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Speaker 2: and Melbourne. The Albanesi government has taken the extraordinary step

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Speaker 2: of ejecting Iranian ambassador Armored Sardigi from the country, the

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Speaker 2: nation's spy agency saying it has credible evidence the Iranian

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Speaker 2: Revolutionary Guard orchestrated at least two attacks on Jewish institutions

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Speaker 2: through local criminals. Australian Iranian Society of Victoria Vice president

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Speaker 2: Cambiaz Rasmara said the people who'd come to Australia fleeing

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Speaker 2: violence in Iran had been asking for the ambassador's expulsion

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Speaker 2: since twenty twenty two, following the regime's crackdown on the

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Speaker 2: women's rights movement. He said there's already been reports the

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Speaker 2: Australian Iranian community was being incorrectly linked with the actions

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Speaker 2: recognize that we the Iranian diaspora, are opposed to what

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Speaker 2: we are resolutely against. Iran's Foreign Ministry rejects the accusations

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Speaker 2: made by Australia, instead linking them to the dispute camera

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Speaker 2: Palestine as a state. The support team behind Travis and

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Speaker 2: Jason Kelsey's football podcast, New Heights have explained the stress

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Speaker 2: of holding the secret of Travis's now fionce Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: team were amazing and helped them through the breaking news

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Speaker 2: Prince Jackson is engaged to marry his girlfriend Molly after

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven single I Just Can't Stop Loving You,

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Speaker 2: the caption saying eight years down, Infinity to Go, Mollie

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Speaker 2: and I have spent a lot of time together and

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Speaker 2: made incredible memories. We've traveled the world, graduated and grown

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Speaker 2: I love you, babes. The news comes just weeks after

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Speaker 2: Jackson's sister Paris ended her engagement to musician Justin Long.

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Speaker 2: Were engaged in December after two years dating, but she

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Speaker 3: Thanks Claire. Next, Everything you need to know about the

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Speaker 3: new sex offender registry. Sweeping changes in Queensland are hitting

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Speaker 3: headlines this week as Daniel's Law comes into effect, a

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Speaker 3: move driven by the heartbreaking case of Daniel Morcombe, whose

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Speaker 3: abduction and murder in December two thousand and three led

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Speaker 3: to a national outcry. The new law introduces a public

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Speaker 3: sex offender registry for the Sunshine State. So here's what

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Speaker 3: This includes names, photographs, general locations and offenses. It's all

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Speaker 3: Police stress the registry is designed as both a deterrent

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Speaker 3: or vigilante action. Advocates say it's a major step in transparency,

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Speaker 3: arguing it balances protection and privacy by only targeting offenders

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Speaker 3: could lead to unintended consequences, including false identification, community panic,

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Speaker 3: victims like Daniel Morcambe, it's a hard one reform a

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Speaker 3: long time coming. The introduction of Daniel's Law to Queensland

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Speaker 3: Bruce and Denise, appearing on a Current Affair, explain how

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Speaker 4: It is a three tiered effect.

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Speaker 1: So the first tier which.

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Speaker 4: Will be on a public accessible website. Anybody can go

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Speaker 4: has access unsupervised access to your kids, so that could

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Speaker 4: will be able to check to see if they have

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Speaker 3: It's been a busy week in the nation's capital as

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Speaker 3: Australia's foreign policy finds itself pinballed between two of the

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Speaker 3: world's most controversial regimes. Here's a quick catch up on

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Speaker 3: the chaos. Earlier this week, Australia officially accused Iran of

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Speaker 5: Iran has sought to disguise its involvement. Assesses it was

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Speaker 3: In a joint press conference between the Prime Minister, Foreign Minister,

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Speaker 3: it was confirmed our response by expelling Iran's ambassador and

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Speaker 6: We have declared Iran's ambassador to Australia, Persona Nograta, as

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Speaker 6: well as three Otherinian officials, and they will have seven

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Speaker 3: We've also listed the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a

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Speaker 3: I've got more on that in a moment. But remember

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Speaker 3: Homer Fase Minister Tony Burke has hit back, saying Australia

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Speaker 3: Jessica Genauer. So Jess. It was confirmed earlier this week,

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Speaker 3: ASIO boss Mike Burgess says that this attack was partially

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Speaker 3: it was carried out by other parties through them.

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Speaker 7: The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps does have a sort of

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Speaker 1: Of the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 7: Now, sometimes the IRGC will themselves be directly involved, so

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Speaker 7: they were, for example, boots on the ground in Syria

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Speaker 1: However, it would be more common.

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Speaker 7: Members of the IRGC would not themselves go to another country,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so we've now listed the IRGC as a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 3: Can you list somewhat part of a government as a

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is really interesting, so technically you can, but

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Speaker 7: it's very rare. So in Australia we have currently a

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Speaker 7: list of thirty one groups that are designated as terrorist

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Speaker 7: organizations and of those only one, which is hes Blah,

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Speaker 7: is a kind of a quasi state entity in Lebanon,

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Speaker 3: It was announced on Tuesday that we have given the

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Speaker 7: This is very significant and they would not be allowed

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Speaker 1: At some stage.

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Speaker 7: So if there was a thawing of that diplomatic break,

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Speaker 1: Usually that would be a matter of years at a minimum.

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Speaker 7: It wouldn't be a matter of weeks or months if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's quite difficult, and the lines become really

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Speaker 7: So that's why really designating IIGC as a terrorist group

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Speaker 3: We talked a little bit last week about the tip

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Speaker 7: I would not look at it as Australia being pressured

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Speaker 7: I think that this decision about Iran is also consistent

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Speaker 1: So I think that there quite different situations.

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Speaker 7: I think when it comes to Israel, whilst NETNYA, who

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Speaker 7: And that's exactly because those diplomatic relations still remain in place,

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you brought up as being so publicly

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Speaker 7: So quite similar comments the way that I would view

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Speaker 3: Finally, feed Jess, given all the news and updates we've

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it will impact it at all.

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Speaker 7: Recognize a state of Palestine, and of course, keeping in

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they.

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Speaker 7: Would see those two things as impacting each other.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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