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Speaker 2: Mama Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia out Loud and to our Friday's show where

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Speaker 2: we take a bit of a break from the news

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Speaker 2: cycle and breath out Today. Friends, is Friday, the seventh

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Speaker 2: of June. I'm Holly Wainwright, And if you missed Monday's show,

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Speaker 2: you'll miss us talking about why it really is finally

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Speaker 2: time to cancel Brad Pitt And this one got quite

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Speaker 2: a lot of opinions going. Should we raise the age

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Speaker 2: of social media access to sixty?

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Speaker 1: I'm mea Friedman And on Wednesday we talked about rodent

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Speaker 1: boyfriends and also the difference between female and male billionaires,

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Speaker 1: and we also had a bit of a dispute about that.

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Speaker 1: Listen to those episodes via a link in our show notes.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Burnham. I'm filling in for Jesse again today.

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Speaker 3: You can always hear me on this Bill Entertainment Daily pickhause.

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Speaker 2: An on today's show, is Everybody Beautiful? A mass experiment

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Speaker 2: in the MoMA Mea office certainly suggests that they don't

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Speaker 2: feel it. Also thanks to watch and read and do

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Speaker 2: this weekend, which include a very sweary puppet, a viral book,

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Speaker 2: and a self helpy app. And Best and Worse, which

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Speaker 2: include a very embarrassing partner wagging work and MEA's new boss,

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Speaker 2: but first, Mia Friedman.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, Independent MPs want to fine

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Speaker 1: businesses twenty five thousand dollars if they don't accept cash

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Speaker 1: from their customers in a bid to stop the move

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Speaker 1: to going fully cashless. Except they're not going to pay

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Speaker 1: that twenty five thousand dollar fine in cash would be

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Speaker 1: my bet. Former National ZMP Andrew g on Monday introduced

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Speaker 1: a private member's bill that would require businesses to offer

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Speaker 1: cash as a form of payment. Some starts to make

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Speaker 1: you feel smart. In two thousand and seven, about seventy

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Speaker 1: percent of all trans actions were made with cash, but

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Speaker 1: this is now fallen to thirteen percent. Wow.

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Speaker 2: So thirteen percent of anything you buy or pay for

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Speaker 1: Yeow. So banks and large retailers have been given until

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Speaker 1: October by the Competition Watchdog to find a way to

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Speaker 1: ensure the continued movement of cash around the country. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why they need to, Like, can't you just

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Speaker 1: get money out of an ATM, you don't need a

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Speaker 1: credit card necessarily. Why do we need cash? Apart from

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Speaker 3: Time of them have their tap on little thing.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, that's true, some of them do have any

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Speaker 1: I mean even at lemonade stands.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, why do we need cash? Like, what's the reason

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Speaker 1: The arguments in favor of having cash are that it

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Speaker 1: is often favored by older people, people who don't want

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Speaker 2: But no, it's about privacy. So some people don't feel

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Speaker 2: for everything. To this day, I'm not saying that's true, but

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Speaker 2: then everything you do can be tracked, right, Whereas if

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Speaker 2: whole point of cash, and that's why that's used in

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Speaker 2: more sinister ways. But like a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: And the other reason is rural areas, places that don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, we saw what happened when there was optist

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Speaker 1: was devastating. No, but people often don't have cash. The

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting and they say them so in case

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Speaker 1: Do you even know what cash is?

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Speaker 3: Really? I haven't owned a wallet in probably ten years.

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Speaker 2: I got really really irritated by my coworkers this week.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, that's it. That's the segment. That's all I've

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Speaker 2: by Jemma Bath, who you might have heard on Monday's

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Speaker 2: something quite specific that I think is actually about something

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Speaker 2: much broader. The story that Jemma wrote was called Dan

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Speaker 2: photographed sixty women in the Mama Mea office. We all

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Speaker 2: or days as it turned out, that all of Mamma

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Speaker 2: MIA's editorial team got their pictures taken. It was for

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Speaker 2: new headshots. And as I'm sure you can understand from

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Speaker 2: articles so you can see the people who wrote them.

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Speaker 2: They might be used in professional decks on LinkedIn their

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Speaker 2: life crusted. Yes you look serious, So there you're like

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Speaker 2: Going on a dating app, you need the yeah, all

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Speaker 4: The idea for this article was sparked by my own

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Speaker 4: headshot session with Dan, actually, because while I was in

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Speaker 4: And when I prompted him, he said most of the

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Speaker 4: all also talked about our wrinkles and our hair sitting

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Speaker 4: or how we look at least, and the men in

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Speaker 4: So I knew that there was a story in it,

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Speaker 4: a bit of a downer for your Friday, But after

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Speaker 2: And my first I heard on the grapevine you were

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Speaker 2: Tell me what happened with you in these photos.

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Speaker 3: I love getting my photo taken, Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Firstly, I'm not one of those people who's like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just like threw something on and went to out

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Speaker 3: I just loved the experience of just like being there,

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Speaker 2: I just love it.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's because I don't get it in

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Speaker 3: And I think it all boils down to not having

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Speaker 2: So why did you have to have two photo shoots

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Speaker 3: Because I loved it so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't because you hated your picture.

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Speaker 3: And there was a deeper meaning. So from since I

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Speaker 1: Right, Why do they then do with those people exactly

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Speaker 1: When someone takes your picture, it's not in your control.

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Speaker 2: I know it. That's bullshit.

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Speaker 3: But we're also like posting these same photos on our Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Show me the proof that everybody's beautiful. Show me how

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Speaker 2: What that idea is that everybody's beautiful as bullshit. Is

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Speaker 2: So I think if we're pushing back on the everyone

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what, how where we should be. Because the

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Speaker 3: Out and get on the way.

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Speaker 2: How do we change the system. The way we change

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Speaker 2: painful process, I'm guilty of it too, for sure. But

438
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Speaker 2: it's that thing of every time I'm with my friends

439
00:20:35,487 --> 00:20:37,887
Speaker 2: and we have our picture taken because it's somebody's fiftieth

440
00:20:38,007 --> 00:20:41,607
Speaker 2: or it's somebody's you know, whatever event, someone will always

441
00:20:41,647 --> 00:20:43,047
Speaker 2: say I don't want to go on the end. I

442
00:20:43,047 --> 00:20:44,807
Speaker 2: don't want people to see my arm. I don't want

443
00:20:44,807 --> 00:20:46,887
Speaker 2: people to see my stomach. I don't want people to

444
00:20:46,887 --> 00:20:49,367
Speaker 2: have my thing, and we all, as Jemma says in

445
00:20:49,407 --> 00:20:51,967
Speaker 2: this story, are in such a cycle of self hatred.

446
00:20:52,247 --> 00:20:54,807
Speaker 2: The answer to it is not to let go of

447
00:20:54,847 --> 00:20:57,167
Speaker 2: the idea of beautiful. The answer to it is to

448
00:20:57,287 --> 00:20:59,167
Speaker 2: expand the idea of beautiful.

449
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Speaker 1: It's time for some recommendations and things to get stuck

450
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Speaker 1: into on the weekend. I'm going to go first because

451
00:21:16,207 --> 00:21:19,447
Speaker 1: I haven't spoken enough today. You can hear my voices

452
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:19,927
Speaker 1: giving out.

453
00:21:20,247 --> 00:21:21,207
Speaker 3: I love a viral book.

454
00:21:21,247 --> 00:21:23,007
Speaker 1: It's hard to get me to read a novel, but

455
00:21:23,047 --> 00:21:25,807
Speaker 1: if someone says everybody's talking about it, then I will.

456
00:21:26,087 --> 00:21:27,887
Speaker 2: It's a book called All Fours.

457
00:21:27,647 --> 00:21:29,807
Speaker 1: By Miranda July. I've heard of her, but I've not

458
00:21:29,887 --> 00:21:33,607
Speaker 1: read her work before. She's a New York Times bestselling author,

459
00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:36,567
Speaker 1: and she's written other books called The First Bad Man

460
00:21:36,687 --> 00:21:40,047
Speaker 1: is apparently her most favorite one. But it is about

461
00:21:40,087 --> 00:21:43,327
Speaker 1: a woman up ending her life, a woman in midlife.

462
00:21:43,327 --> 00:21:45,847
Speaker 1: She's a semi famous artist. You never really get to

463
00:21:45,847 --> 00:21:49,767
Speaker 1: the bottom of what she's famous for. But she announces

464
00:21:49,807 --> 00:21:52,567
Speaker 1: her plan to drive cross country from LA to New

465
00:21:52,647 --> 00:21:56,287
Speaker 1: York for work and just to see some friends. And

466
00:21:56,327 --> 00:21:59,607
Speaker 1: then she decides to just exit the freeway and she

467
00:21:59,807 --> 00:22:02,007
Speaker 1: just stays where she is for two weeks and what

468
00:22:02,127 --> 00:22:04,887
Speaker 1: happens to her there and then what happens afterwards. It's

469
00:22:04,887 --> 00:22:08,767
Speaker 1: about perimenopause, it's about sex, it's about relationships, it's about

470
00:22:09,247 --> 00:22:12,847
Speaker 1: a particular time in life. It is so so good.

471
00:22:13,047 --> 00:22:15,567
Speaker 2: Great, what's your echo?

472
00:22:15,887 --> 00:22:19,047
Speaker 3: I am recommending an app it's called DAILI oh that

473
00:22:19,167 --> 00:22:21,167
Speaker 3: I want you both to download after this episode. It's

474
00:22:21,167 --> 00:22:23,927
Speaker 3: a self care app. So it's basically.

475
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Speaker 1: About us downloaded after being recommended on this podcast. She's

476
00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:28,087
Speaker 1: none of them.

477
00:22:28,167 --> 00:22:29,727
Speaker 2: I think that thinks we need help.

478
00:22:29,767 --> 00:22:32,767
Speaker 3: You need you need this app. It's basically just like

479
00:22:32,807 --> 00:22:36,407
Speaker 3: a kind of productivity, but it's also a life tracker app.

480
00:22:36,727 --> 00:22:39,687
Speaker 3: I use it and it's helped my depression so much.

481
00:22:40,087 --> 00:22:42,447
Speaker 3: It's literally like a diary entry, so he says, as

482
00:22:42,447 --> 00:22:45,287
Speaker 3: a diary entry used to track my sleep, my menstrual cycle.

483
00:22:45,607 --> 00:22:47,607
Speaker 3: You put in your daily habit and you tick them

484
00:22:47,647 --> 00:22:49,967
Speaker 3: off as you go every day, and sometimes when it

485
00:22:49,967 --> 00:22:52,447
Speaker 3: gets really bad, it's like really specific, like have you

486
00:22:52,487 --> 00:22:55,487
Speaker 3: showered today? Literally, and then you can also put in

487
00:22:55,767 --> 00:22:57,607
Speaker 3: how well you slept last night, what time you went

488
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Speaker 3: to bed, and then would help. It helps because it

489
00:23:00,287 --> 00:23:03,407
Speaker 3: helps you formulate patterns of behavior and it gives you

490
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Speaker 3: the statistics. So for example, last night, I slept terribly,

491
00:23:06,767 --> 00:23:08,407
Speaker 3: and I put in my app I step terribly, and

492
00:23:08,447 --> 00:23:11,087
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, just sing, you also slept really badly

493
00:23:11,367 --> 00:23:13,447
Speaker 3: on this day and this day, and then the next

494
00:23:13,527 --> 00:23:15,207
Speaker 3: day you're also really anxious. So I went into my

495
00:23:15,247 --> 00:23:16,687
Speaker 3: calendar and I was like, what happened on these days?

496
00:23:16,687 --> 00:23:18,007
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I was feeling in for

497
00:23:18,047 --> 00:23:22,887
Speaker 3: out loud. So it helps you track all those things.

498
00:23:22,927 --> 00:23:24,887
Speaker 3: I know that two days before my period. For the

499
00:23:24,927 --> 00:23:27,447
Speaker 3: past six months, I'm always really angry as a base

500
00:23:27,567 --> 00:23:29,367
Speaker 3: level of motion. So it kind of helps you, like

501
00:23:29,447 --> 00:23:32,007
Speaker 3: see that beforehand. So when you're feeling that, you kind

502
00:23:32,007 --> 00:23:34,007
Speaker 3: of know and put like words to it. So good

503
00:23:34,087 --> 00:23:36,887
Speaker 3: Daleio you downloaded on Apple or Google Play if you

504
00:23:36,927 --> 00:23:37,527
Speaker 3: have an Android.

505
00:23:37,767 --> 00:23:41,767
Speaker 2: Somebody is tracking that shit, I know, but you need.

506
00:23:42,167 --> 00:23:44,927
Speaker 1: People put all that shit on their Instagram. Anyway, she

507
00:23:45,007 --> 00:23:46,047
Speaker 1: just said it on a podcast.

508
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Speaker 2: I'm recommending a show on Netflix called Eric. Now, if

509
00:23:53,047 --> 00:23:55,447
Speaker 2: Jesse was here, she might say to me, is this

510
00:23:55,487 --> 00:24:00,407
Speaker 2: one of your ship recommendations? And look, it's not, but

511
00:24:00,527 --> 00:24:02,487
Speaker 2: it won't be for everybody.

512
00:24:01,967 --> 00:24:03,847
Speaker 3: Because it's dark.

513
00:24:04,007 --> 00:24:08,487
Speaker 2: Yes, it has Benedict cumberbatchanette who obviously is fantastic. It

514
00:24:08,607 --> 00:24:10,887
Speaker 2: is dark, though right it won't be for everybody. What

515
00:24:10,927 --> 00:24:13,967
Speaker 2: it's about is it's a drama, and it's about a

516
00:24:14,007 --> 00:24:16,887
Speaker 2: couple who are played by Benedict Comberbatch and Gabby Hoffman,

517
00:24:16,927 --> 00:24:19,727
Speaker 2: and they are both fantastic who are kind of at

518
00:24:19,767 --> 00:24:22,007
Speaker 2: each other. It's the eighties. They're living in New York.

519
00:24:22,567 --> 00:24:25,647
Speaker 2: He is the creator and head puppeteer on a show

520
00:24:25,687 --> 00:24:28,407
Speaker 2: that's basically Sesame Street. It's not that it's called Good

521
00:24:28,407 --> 00:24:31,127
Speaker 2: Morning Sunshine or Hello Sunshine or something, so you see

522
00:24:31,167 --> 00:24:32,767
Speaker 2: behind the scenes of how that works. But when he

523
00:24:32,807 --> 00:24:35,047
Speaker 2: goes home, him and his wife argue like cat and dog.

524
00:24:35,167 --> 00:24:38,007
Speaker 2: He drinks a lot, et cetera. One day, their little

525
00:24:38,007 --> 00:24:40,327
Speaker 2: boy goes missing on the way to school, and it's

526
00:24:40,327 --> 00:24:41,527
Speaker 2: about what happens after that.

527
00:24:42,887 --> 00:24:43,607
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

528
00:24:43,647 --> 00:24:43,727
Speaker 4: What?

529
00:24:43,887 --> 00:24:47,967
Speaker 2: Edgars trimes, I'm working up a new puppet.

530
00:24:49,367 --> 00:24:52,087
Speaker 3: But we can get him on the show that a

531
00:24:52,207 --> 00:24:52,927
Speaker 3: girl will see.

532
00:24:53,007 --> 00:24:56,807
Speaker 1: You'll know how much we wanted to come home really crazy.

533
00:24:57,327 --> 00:25:01,127
Speaker 3: He's the monster that every child wants when they are

534
00:25:01,287 --> 00:25:03,607
Speaker 3: lost and need to be found.

535
00:25:04,447 --> 00:25:05,927
Speaker 1: This is Abig's idea.

536
00:25:07,487 --> 00:25:11,207
Speaker 2: I want to make it real. I'm out yeah, you

537
00:25:11,207 --> 00:25:14,807
Speaker 2: would definitely be out. But it's amazing because what happens is,

538
00:25:15,127 --> 00:25:16,727
Speaker 2: so the little boy used to go to work with

539
00:25:16,767 --> 00:25:19,887
Speaker 2: his dad and he had started sketching and drawing his

540
00:25:19,887 --> 00:25:21,927
Speaker 2: own puppet that he was going to be on this show.

541
00:25:22,487 --> 00:25:26,487
Speaker 2: And Cumberbatch's character starts losing it, obviously because he's in

542
00:25:26,527 --> 00:25:28,487
Speaker 2: a state about trying to find his son and decides

543
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:31,167
Speaker 2: he's got to create this poppet and put it on

544
00:25:31,207 --> 00:25:33,567
Speaker 2: the show and it will bring his son home. But

545
00:25:33,647 --> 00:25:35,807
Speaker 2: because at the same time he's having a mental breakdown

546
00:25:35,927 --> 00:25:39,007
Speaker 2: because his son's missing and he's drinking straight vodka all day,

547
00:25:39,407 --> 00:25:41,927
Speaker 2: this puppet kind of comes to life and appears to him.

548
00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:45,927
Speaker 2: So it's really weird. It's really interesting. It's one of

549
00:25:46,007 --> 00:25:48,847
Speaker 2: the most original shows I've seen. Along the side, you've

550
00:25:48,847 --> 00:25:50,927
Speaker 2: got the investigation of, obviously, what happens to the Sun.

551
00:25:51,527 --> 00:25:53,807
Speaker 2: It's very like New York eighties. Brent and I just

552
00:25:53,847 --> 00:25:55,927
Speaker 2: kept saying to each other that nobody seems very bothered

553
00:25:55,967 --> 00:25:58,367
Speaker 2: that this kid's gone missing. The parents do, obviously, but

554
00:25:58,407 --> 00:26:01,487
Speaker 2: it's like there was a period in American history where

555
00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:04,327
Speaker 2: kids were on the side of milk cartons and the

556
00:26:04,367 --> 00:26:07,607
Speaker 2: missing kids, whether it was as common as the media

557
00:26:07,647 --> 00:26:09,247
Speaker 2: reported it to be or not is a bit disp

558
00:26:09,327 --> 00:26:11,327
Speaker 2: you did, but it was a think and it's set

559
00:26:11,367 --> 00:26:15,287
Speaker 2: in that time and it's just a really original, weird,

560
00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:18,287
Speaker 2: button pushing show. Come for Batch is amazing. Gabby Hoffman

561
00:26:18,447 --> 00:26:19,207
Speaker 2: is amazing.

562
00:26:19,327 --> 00:26:22,167
Speaker 1: Like her she's I remember her from Transparent if you were.

563
00:26:22,767 --> 00:26:24,687
Speaker 1: Do you know this is number one in Netflix and

564
00:26:24,767 --> 00:26:27,567
Speaker 1: lots of countries around the world and it is actually

565
00:26:27,607 --> 00:26:31,167
Speaker 1: written by Abby Morgan who wrote The Split, and I'm

566
00:26:31,247 --> 00:26:32,687
Speaker 1: a massive fan of hers.

567
00:26:33,007 --> 00:26:36,927
Speaker 2: Really original, just very different, very so we're really enjoying it.

568
00:26:36,967 --> 00:26:39,447
Speaker 2: But as I say, it might give you a nightmas.

569
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Speaker 3: Out loud as.

570
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Speaker 1: If you want to listen to us every day of

571
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Speaker 1: the week, you can get access to exclusive segments on

572
00:26:46,327 --> 00:26:49,967
Speaker 1: Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a Mum and mea subscriber.

573
00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:52,527
Speaker 1: Follow the link in the show notes to subscribe and

574
00:26:52,527 --> 00:26:54,927
Speaker 1: support us. And a big thank you to all our

575
00:26:54,967 --> 00:26:56,007
Speaker 1: current subscribers.

576
00:27:05,847 --> 00:27:08,687
Speaker 3: It is time for best and Worst of the week, miya.

577
00:27:09,367 --> 00:27:12,727
Speaker 1: So my worst of the week is something that happened

578
00:27:13,087 --> 00:27:15,767
Speaker 1: first on Sex and the City or was made famous

579
00:27:16,167 --> 00:27:18,967
Speaker 1: and just like that. Actually the last season, do you

580
00:27:19,007 --> 00:27:21,607
Speaker 1: remember when Charlotte had a flash period when she was

581
00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:22,567
Speaker 1: wearing the white Oh.

582
00:27:22,647 --> 00:27:24,727
Speaker 2: Yes, I had a bloody flashing period.

583
00:27:24,887 --> 00:27:28,447
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm meant to be in menopause. I got

584
00:27:28,487 --> 00:27:31,447
Speaker 1: home and had blood all down the back of.

585
00:27:31,487 --> 00:27:35,247
Speaker 3: My trucks, and I'm always like, don't people feel it?

586
00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:38,447
Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't feel it and no

587
00:27:38,487 --> 00:27:40,847
Speaker 1: one said anything. And I'm now so embarrassed because I

588
00:27:40,847 --> 00:27:41,927
Speaker 1: was like walking around.

589
00:27:42,207 --> 00:27:43,967
Speaker 2: I would be so freaked out if that happened now

590
00:27:44,007 --> 00:27:46,887
Speaker 2: because I'm not having periods anymore. I know that would

591
00:27:46,927 --> 00:27:47,887
Speaker 2: freak me out.

592
00:27:47,967 --> 00:27:49,807
Speaker 1: I know it was not ideal.

593
00:27:50,087 --> 00:27:50,607
Speaker 2: I've had it.

594
00:27:50,527 --> 00:27:53,487
Speaker 3: Happen to three women. I know three women which happened

595
00:27:53,487 --> 00:27:55,407
Speaker 3: to them in public, and they were like, it's embarrassing

596
00:27:55,447 --> 00:27:56,727
Speaker 3: because i feel like I've just got my period for

597
00:27:56,727 --> 00:27:58,367
Speaker 3: the first time, Like I'm a correct a year old girl.

598
00:27:58,407 --> 00:28:00,927
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm fifty two. How have I still got

599
00:28:01,167 --> 00:28:03,447
Speaker 1: like blood on my clothes? Anyway, So that was my worst.

600
00:28:03,887 --> 00:28:07,247
Speaker 1: My best is that we announced last week and new

601
00:28:07,287 --> 00:28:09,887
Speaker 1: CEO for Mom and Me, which is very exp for

602
00:28:09,927 --> 00:28:13,447
Speaker 1: people who might not know. I'm not the CEO of

603
00:28:13,527 --> 00:28:17,007
Speaker 1: MoMA Mia. I'm a co founder. My husband until last

604
00:28:17,007 --> 00:28:20,167
Speaker 1: week was the CEO. He's my co founder, and we've

605
00:28:20,167 --> 00:28:22,927
Speaker 1: been looking for a new CEO for quite some time.

606
00:28:23,127 --> 00:28:26,887
Speaker 1: Jason stepped up into a exec chairman role. We appointed

607
00:28:27,007 --> 00:28:29,887
Speaker 1: Nat Harvey. She's amazing. She came from Channel seven. She

608
00:28:29,967 --> 00:28:32,327
Speaker 1: was the national sales director there. She's been here for

609
00:28:32,327 --> 00:28:35,727
Speaker 1: a few months in a different role and she has

610
00:28:35,807 --> 00:28:38,687
Speaker 1: been handed the reins and I'm very excited.

611
00:28:39,367 --> 00:28:41,927
Speaker 2: She your boss. You a great question.

612
00:28:42,247 --> 00:28:45,207
Speaker 1: We're kind of each other's bosses because Jason and I

613
00:28:45,687 --> 00:28:48,447
Speaker 1: know still own the company and are responsible for it,

614
00:28:49,087 --> 00:28:52,807
Speaker 1: but I'm running things past her and it's really interesting.

615
00:28:52,887 --> 00:28:54,847
Speaker 1: It's like it's a really she's got to put her

616
00:28:54,887 --> 00:28:57,247
Speaker 1: stamp on things. I'm like, how do you want to

617
00:28:57,287 --> 00:28:58,887
Speaker 1: do this? And how do you want to do that?

618
00:28:59,007 --> 00:29:01,207
Speaker 1: And I'm just thrilled also that I don't always have

619
00:29:01,287 --> 00:29:02,847
Speaker 1: to sort of be because Jace was never the face

620
00:29:02,847 --> 00:29:04,927
Speaker 1: of the company. That sort of more fell to me,

621
00:29:05,727 --> 00:29:07,607
Speaker 1: and I never wanted to be that. I just want

622
00:29:07,647 --> 00:29:10,727
Speaker 1: to be able to do my thing. So I'm very excited.

623
00:29:10,767 --> 00:29:14,807
Speaker 1: She's got so much energy, she's cool. Yeah, she's terrific.

624
00:29:15,007 --> 00:29:18,007
Speaker 1: I think she's maybe forty, so I'm older than her.

625
00:29:18,327 --> 00:29:19,047
Speaker 2: She's my boss.

626
00:29:19,087 --> 00:29:21,447
Speaker 1: I'm kind of her boss, but I just love being

627
00:29:21,447 --> 00:29:23,567
Speaker 1: told what to do, so I'm very excited. I can

628
00:29:23,567 --> 00:29:27,927
Speaker 1: tell you what you can. I always listen to you go.

629
00:29:28,807 --> 00:29:32,327
Speaker 3: My worst was recently I turned twenty.

630
00:29:31,967 --> 00:29:35,607
Speaker 2: Eighth man and is that satin return or is that

631
00:29:35,647 --> 00:29:37,927
Speaker 2: twenty seven? It's sat in return? I thought, so, oh,

632
00:29:37,967 --> 00:29:40,127
Speaker 2: you better put that in your freaking tracking oup. My

633
00:29:40,287 --> 00:29:42,367
Speaker 2: saturn returning throwing up my life.

634
00:29:42,567 --> 00:29:45,887
Speaker 3: I think it's between twenty and one fire for the

635
00:29:45,927 --> 00:29:46,367
Speaker 3: whole year.

636
00:29:46,647 --> 00:29:47,367
Speaker 2: Just force quits.

637
00:29:48,967 --> 00:29:53,407
Speaker 3: It is the first birthday of mine where I felt

638
00:29:53,447 --> 00:29:57,287
Speaker 3: like I can't be excited for wall. It's a great

639
00:29:57,367 --> 00:30:00,567
Speaker 3: day what it is. Firstly, the biggest thing, which I

640
00:30:00,567 --> 00:30:02,207
Speaker 3: don't know why I have an issue with, was no one.

641
00:30:02,047 --> 00:30:02,887
Speaker 2: Got me a birthday cake.

642
00:30:03,207 --> 00:30:06,087
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't have a single birthday cake on my birthday, and.

643
00:30:06,007 --> 00:30:08,367
Speaker 2: I love doing what your mother doing to me.

644
00:30:09,127 --> 00:30:11,687
Speaker 3: On I had a dinner with my friends, my parents,

645
00:30:12,007 --> 00:30:14,927
Speaker 3: and few other friends, a few different celebrations. Not one cake,

646
00:30:15,007 --> 00:30:18,807
Speaker 3: not one cake inside, and I was more embarrassed that

647
00:30:18,967 --> 00:30:20,647
Speaker 3: I didn't have a cake. And I was kind of

648
00:30:20,647 --> 00:30:22,887
Speaker 3: like annoyed at my friends and family for not telling

649
00:30:22,927 --> 00:30:24,487
Speaker 3: me they weren't bringing a cake so I could bring

650
00:30:24,527 --> 00:30:25,127
Speaker 3: my own cake.

651
00:30:25,287 --> 00:30:26,967
Speaker 1: My mother in law baked her own cake for her

652
00:30:26,967 --> 00:30:27,287
Speaker 1: birth day.

653
00:30:27,327 --> 00:30:29,327
Speaker 3: I would have done that. I just assumed someone would

654
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:29,607
Speaker 3: tell me.

655
00:30:29,607 --> 00:30:31,327
Speaker 1: She said, I felt like cake, so I made one.

656
00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:32,807
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. She goes, no, No,

657
00:30:32,887 --> 00:30:35,127
Speaker 1: that's not She's much better cook than any of us.

658
00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:36,647
Speaker 3: She's taking it better than I take you are.

659
00:30:36,647 --> 00:30:38,287
Speaker 2: You're feeling bad about twenty eight? Is that what you're

660
00:30:38,327 --> 00:30:38,647
Speaker 2: telling me?

661
00:30:38,767 --> 00:30:40,847
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling bad about being twenty eight. I feel

662
00:30:40,887 --> 00:30:44,567
Speaker 3: like it's also when you're single alone, it feels like

663
00:30:44,607 --> 00:30:46,407
Speaker 3: I'm forcing people to celebrate me.

664
00:30:46,847 --> 00:30:48,527
Speaker 2: Like I'm the ones of friends and you've got a

665
00:30:48,567 --> 00:30:49,487
Speaker 2: lovely close family.

666
00:30:49,927 --> 00:30:52,367
Speaker 3: One I had to like book the dinner. I'm the

667
00:30:52,367 --> 00:30:54,367
Speaker 3: one who had to like tell people you created this

668
00:30:54,487 --> 00:30:57,727
Speaker 3: day to come have dinner to celebrate me. It's so weird.

669
00:30:57,887 --> 00:30:59,447
Speaker 3: I feel so weird about it.

670
00:30:59,487 --> 00:31:02,967
Speaker 1: So because your parents don't organize it, your partner doesn't

671
00:31:03,047 --> 00:31:06,487
Speaker 1: organize it. All the guys that you're dating don't organize.

672
00:31:06,127 --> 00:31:08,767
Speaker 3: It, not one of them, and I've been with one

673
00:31:08,807 --> 00:31:10,407
Speaker 3: for like a month now. I like to come on.

674
00:31:10,927 --> 00:31:12,287
Speaker 3: So I'm like, is this why I need to be

675
00:31:12,327 --> 00:31:13,967
Speaker 3: in a relationship? Because I just maybe I'll do it

676
00:31:14,007 --> 00:31:16,927
Speaker 3: for the birthday next year and then but yeah, anyway,

677
00:31:16,967 --> 00:31:20,447
Speaker 3: that makes your cake. Anyway, My best is straight after

678
00:31:20,527 --> 00:31:23,607
Speaker 3: my birthday, literally the day after I got the flu,

679
00:31:23,887 --> 00:31:24,847
Speaker 3: and I got a week off.

680
00:31:26,767 --> 00:31:27,887
Speaker 1: God, you must love your job.

681
00:31:28,247 --> 00:31:31,647
Speaker 2: I do tell it's my favorite thing. Ever when fill

682
00:31:31,727 --> 00:31:38,727
Speaker 2: in hosts bitch about work and since they're going like you.

683
00:31:38,967 --> 00:31:41,207
Speaker 3: Have nothing to do with it. I was sick, so

684
00:31:41,247 --> 00:31:41,887
Speaker 3: I had the flu.

685
00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:44,967
Speaker 1: So it's better that having the flu than coming to work.

686
00:31:45,207 --> 00:31:49,607
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, wait to be human. Because as

687
00:31:49,687 --> 00:31:52,527
Speaker 3: podcast hosts, and because I host a daily podcast, I

688
00:31:52,567 --> 00:31:54,887
Speaker 3: physically couldn't come into work because firstly, you have to

689
00:31:55,007 --> 00:31:57,847
Speaker 3: sound good and I sounded dreadful. Plus I didn't want

690
00:31:57,847 --> 00:31:59,607
Speaker 3: to get anyone else sick, so I can't work from

691
00:31:59,607 --> 00:32:04,487
Speaker 3: home in my job. Technically I could really wanted to try,

692
00:32:04,607 --> 00:32:06,847
Speaker 3: but I didn't want to try it there. It was

693
00:32:06,887 --> 00:32:07,607
Speaker 3: a first.

694
00:32:10,167 --> 00:32:12,447
Speaker 2: Go on, not what we're doing a podcast with your

695
00:32:12,447 --> 00:32:12,927
Speaker 2: boss at all.

696
00:32:13,607 --> 00:32:14,687
Speaker 3: I'm feeling great right now.

697
00:32:14,847 --> 00:32:17,607
Speaker 1: Not our heroes wear cakes and some of us wear masks.

698
00:32:19,087 --> 00:32:22,567
Speaker 3: It was the first time I've ever taken sick leave

699
00:32:22,887 --> 00:32:26,527
Speaker 3: I think in years, and I made the decision.

700
00:32:26,567 --> 00:32:28,407
Speaker 2: I'll just check, you can check.

701
00:32:30,767 --> 00:32:33,087
Speaker 3: I made the decision. I put my foot down. I

702
00:32:33,127 --> 00:32:35,087
Speaker 3: was like, I'm going to get one hundred percent better

703
00:32:35,167 --> 00:32:36,007
Speaker 3: before I go into work.

704
00:32:36,047 --> 00:32:36,807
Speaker 2: It's called rest.

705
00:32:36,967 --> 00:32:39,007
Speaker 3: I've never done this before, but resting when you're on

706
00:32:39,087 --> 00:32:42,527
Speaker 3: well is the best experience. I came back into work.

707
00:32:43,487 --> 00:32:45,167
Speaker 3: You need to try. You need to get sick and

708
00:32:45,207 --> 00:32:47,887
Speaker 3: try it. I came back into I can take over

709
00:32:47,887 --> 00:32:51,647
Speaker 3: the way you go home. You get me sick again,

710
00:32:52,047 --> 00:32:55,287
Speaker 3: I will gladly take sick leave again. I will gladly

711
00:32:55,367 --> 00:32:57,007
Speaker 3: take work off again, and you'll.

712
00:32:56,887 --> 00:33:00,647
Speaker 2: Have to find another I cannot wait for the fallout

713
00:33:00,687 --> 00:33:06,407
Speaker 2: from that conversation. My worst. We've kind of touched on

714
00:33:06,487 --> 00:33:10,287
Speaker 2: this on the show before, but the arrogance of voice notes.

715
00:33:11,087 --> 00:33:15,967
Speaker 2: My god, you people, not you people. There's someone in

716
00:33:16,007 --> 00:33:19,647
Speaker 2: my life at the moment who keeps sending me voice notes.

717
00:33:19,767 --> 00:33:21,967
Speaker 3: I don't like that, and they do They not know

718
00:33:22,007 --> 00:33:24,687
Speaker 3: you get paid to do this voice notes for free.

719
00:33:25,047 --> 00:33:27,647
Speaker 2: This is like, it's not a hey, I just want

720
00:33:27,687 --> 00:33:29,047
Speaker 2: to tell you about something that's happened in my life.

721
00:33:29,047 --> 00:33:31,367
Speaker 2: They're trying to get something done, and every time I

722
00:33:31,407 --> 00:33:33,807
Speaker 2: open my thing there's a freaking voice note there. And

723
00:33:33,887 --> 00:33:36,927
Speaker 2: I'm doing things. I'm busy, I'm trying to multitask, and

724
00:33:37,007 --> 00:33:39,247
Speaker 2: I have to to listen to this thing. Go and

725
00:33:39,327 --> 00:33:42,727
Speaker 2: find my bag, find my bloody AirPods, make sure they're connected.

726
00:33:43,087 --> 00:33:46,327
Speaker 2: Spend like no, send me a text message like a

727
00:33:46,367 --> 00:33:48,967
Speaker 2: proper human, just saying hey, is this day okay?

728
00:33:49,287 --> 00:33:50,527
Speaker 3: Like, yes it is.

729
00:33:50,807 --> 00:33:52,967
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear your voice. Not the arrogance

730
00:33:53,487 --> 00:33:56,487
Speaker 2: of thinking like people loved to bitch about phones. I'd

731
00:33:56,607 --> 00:33:58,767
Speaker 2: rather she just called me. Just call me and we'll

732
00:33:58,767 --> 00:34:00,407
Speaker 2: sort it out and put the phone down. Move on.

733
00:34:00,727 --> 00:34:01,287
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

734
00:34:01,367 --> 00:34:02,087
Speaker 4: I feel like you're.

735
00:34:01,967 --> 00:34:04,647
Speaker 3: Saying two different completely, Like what's the difference between a

736
00:34:04,647 --> 00:34:05,647
Speaker 3: phone call and a voice note?

737
00:34:05,647 --> 00:34:07,447
Speaker 2: Because I have to, like, well, a I get to

738
00:34:07,487 --> 00:34:09,647
Speaker 2: choose whether or not I answer the phone, and on

739
00:34:09,727 --> 00:34:12,167
Speaker 2: the phone we can have this thing called synchronous. Is

740
00:34:12,167 --> 00:34:15,407
Speaker 2: that what we're calling it? Synchronous synchronous communication where we

741
00:34:15,487 --> 00:34:18,207
Speaker 2: can solve an issue there and then I'm doing another thing,

742
00:34:18,327 --> 00:34:19,847
Speaker 2: or I'm getting my coffee or I'm working and I

743
00:34:19,887 --> 00:34:21,487
Speaker 2: see I've got a voice note for this person. I

744
00:34:21,487 --> 00:34:23,487
Speaker 2: have to stop my life listen to the voice note.

745
00:34:23,607 --> 00:34:25,567
Speaker 1: That is it different to a text because they're both

746
00:34:25,607 --> 00:34:26,447
Speaker 1: asynchronous For.

747
00:34:26,447 --> 00:34:28,087
Speaker 2: It, I don't need to put my ear buds in

748
00:34:28,127 --> 00:34:29,367
Speaker 2: and stop what I'm doing?

749
00:34:29,567 --> 00:34:32,407
Speaker 1: Extra thing, isn't it? But most voice transcribe it for

750
00:34:32,487 --> 00:34:35,287
Speaker 1: you because you can read faster than we can listen.

751
00:34:35,407 --> 00:34:37,287
Speaker 3: Yes, maybe they're taking the piss out of your job

752
00:34:37,287 --> 00:34:38,487
Speaker 3: and they're like, look, I can do it too.

753
00:34:38,847 --> 00:34:41,407
Speaker 2: No they're not. They're just being lazy and going I

754
00:34:41,447 --> 00:34:42,287
Speaker 2: don't want to type.

755
00:34:42,367 --> 00:34:46,407
Speaker 1: No, it's doing that's saying sorry, I've sent a long email.

756
00:34:46,447 --> 00:34:48,607
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to write a short one to

757
00:34:48,647 --> 00:34:50,807
Speaker 1: be like that. Yes, so I can't be bothered to text,

758
00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:52,607
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna but I do it in the cart,

759
00:34:52,647 --> 00:34:53,447
Speaker 1: which is also.

760
00:34:53,247 --> 00:34:55,487
Speaker 2: Really pay voice notes. Don't leave me a voice notes.

761
00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:57,607
Speaker 2: I love you, but don't I get the point If

762
00:34:57,607 --> 00:34:59,207
Speaker 2: it's the catch up, you know when we talked about it,

763
00:34:59,207 --> 00:35:00,767
Speaker 2: when someone's like, here's what's going on in my life,

764
00:35:00,767 --> 00:35:02,047
Speaker 2: and I can choose when to listen to it. But

765
00:35:02,047 --> 00:35:04,807
Speaker 2: if we're actually trying to organize something, no, don't do it. Okay,

766
00:35:05,047 --> 00:35:07,527
Speaker 2: the arrogance of voice notes, that's my worst, my best.

767
00:35:07,927 --> 00:35:11,367
Speaker 2: This is just a Brent appreciate ocean moment. Right last

768
00:35:11,407 --> 00:35:13,447
Speaker 2: Friday night, in the town I live in, every year

769
00:35:13,447 --> 00:35:16,447
Speaker 2: they have this little festival and it's like a speech festival.

770
00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:19,247
Speaker 2: It's called a night and anyone can enter. Everyone can

771
00:35:19,287 --> 00:35:21,807
Speaker 2: do a five minute speech like a public speaking yeah,

772
00:35:21,887 --> 00:35:23,647
Speaker 2: and it can be about anything, but it can't be

773
00:35:23,687 --> 00:35:25,207
Speaker 2: longer than five minutes, which is great.

774
00:35:25,487 --> 00:35:26,847
Speaker 3: I love that idea.

775
00:35:26,967 --> 00:35:29,247
Speaker 2: And you have to do PowerPoint slides and there are

776
00:35:29,247 --> 00:35:31,047
Speaker 2: this many of them and they move quickly and it's

777
00:35:31,087 --> 00:35:33,407
Speaker 2: great during that you're so you go and they split

778
00:35:33,407 --> 00:35:35,407
Speaker 2: it up so it's not too boring, and there's wine

779
00:35:35,407 --> 00:35:37,927
Speaker 2: and there's noodles and you know, and basically you Sait

780
00:35:38,007 --> 00:35:41,407
Speaker 2: and I watched us talk about like everything from design

781
00:35:42,127 --> 00:35:46,247
Speaker 2: to ADHD. The ADHD speech was great. It was called

782
00:35:46,287 --> 00:35:48,647
Speaker 2: do I have ADHD? Or Am I an Asshole? Was fantastic.

783
00:35:49,687 --> 00:35:51,167
Speaker 1: Now that makes sense because I thought you were at

784
00:35:51,167 --> 00:35:54,007
Speaker 1: a school speech night and you sent me a slide

785
00:35:54,127 --> 00:35:56,407
Speaker 1: a photo of that slide Do I have ADHD? Or

786
00:35:56,447 --> 00:35:57,167
Speaker 1: Am I an Asshole?

787
00:35:57,207 --> 00:36:02,367
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well that seems little school and they

788
00:36:02,527 --> 00:36:04,607
Speaker 2: like travel and this and that, you know, design things

789
00:36:04,647 --> 00:36:07,647
Speaker 2: that people are into seaweed. Brent did one, because Brent

790
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:11,327
Speaker 2: always does. He did one about air guitar. And there

791
00:36:11,367 --> 00:36:13,047
Speaker 2: is a little known thing about Brent because I do

792
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:15,087
Speaker 2: not advertise this for very obvious reasons.

793
00:36:15,167 --> 00:36:16,167
Speaker 3: I think you should that.

794
00:36:16,207 --> 00:36:18,447
Speaker 2: When I first met Brent, which is nearly twenty years ago,

795
00:36:18,527 --> 00:36:21,167
Speaker 2: on our very first date, he told me that he

796
00:36:21,247 --> 00:36:25,207
Speaker 2: had entered a professional air guitar competition before and that

797
00:36:26,447 --> 00:36:29,887
Speaker 2: he was joking, and I went, lol, except I didn't

798
00:36:29,887 --> 00:36:33,847
Speaker 2: say that, because we didn't say that. Then you genuinely like, actually,

799
00:36:34,127 --> 00:36:38,647
Speaker 2: she said horror, horror, horror, a pirate. But he wasn't joking.

800
00:36:38,967 --> 00:36:41,367
Speaker 2: And one of his hobbies for the first couple of

801
00:36:41,487 --> 00:36:47,967
Speaker 2: years of our relationship was entering professional air guitar competitions

802
00:36:48,007 --> 00:36:51,007
Speaker 2: and I had to go and watch. You probably don't

803
00:36:51,047 --> 00:36:53,727
Speaker 2: know this, but there's a worldwide air guitar championship in

804
00:36:53,767 --> 00:36:58,207
Speaker 2: Finland every year. I didn't know, and Australia sends one person, Brent.

805
00:36:58,407 --> 00:37:00,167
Speaker 2: It wasn't Brent. He never made it to the finals.

806
00:37:00,207 --> 00:37:02,767
Speaker 2: He's very upset. He's a competitors held in camera every year.

807
00:37:02,847 --> 00:37:07,367
Speaker 2: Big deal, right Anyway, I have always been deeply ashamed

808
00:37:07,407 --> 00:37:09,967
Speaker 2: about this about my Brent, because he's a great guy.

809
00:37:10,007 --> 00:37:12,287
Speaker 2: But I'm like, that's the most mortifying shit. No one

810
00:37:12,327 --> 00:37:14,887
Speaker 2: needs to know about that. And then on Friday night

811
00:37:14,927 --> 00:37:16,727
Speaker 2: he gave a speech for five minutes in front of

812
00:37:16,727 --> 00:37:19,327
Speaker 2: all these people that we know and many that we don't,

813
00:37:19,887 --> 00:37:22,207
Speaker 2: about his professional air guitar career, and then at the

814
00:37:22,327 --> 00:37:24,327
Speaker 2: end of it, he did thirty seconds of a guitar.

815
00:37:25,407 --> 00:37:26,927
Speaker 3: I love him.

816
00:37:26,127 --> 00:37:31,047
Speaker 2: And what I realized, which I have realized obviously over

817
00:37:31,087 --> 00:37:34,567
Speaker 2: the course of our relationship, is that although it's mortifying

818
00:37:34,567 --> 00:37:37,327
Speaker 2: to me because I'm much more interested in my own

819
00:37:37,607 --> 00:37:40,007
Speaker 2: self image than he is, one of the very best

820
00:37:40,007 --> 00:37:42,927
Speaker 2: things about Brent and people like Brent is being cool

821
00:37:43,247 --> 00:37:45,687
Speaker 2: is so far down his list of priorities. It isn't

822
00:37:45,727 --> 00:37:48,247
Speaker 2: there right. He just is like, I like doing this.

823
00:37:48,847 --> 00:37:51,367
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit, I'm doing it, And it's one

824
00:37:51,367 --> 00:37:54,807
Speaker 2: of the things that actually makes him a really excellent person.

825
00:37:54,927 --> 00:37:57,927
Speaker 2: He doesn't pretend to be someone he isn't. He doesn't like.

826
00:37:58,167 --> 00:37:59,127
Speaker 1: Very attractive quality.

827
00:37:59,127 --> 00:38:01,727
Speaker 2: He's very who he is, and sometimes who he is

828
00:38:01,727 --> 00:38:06,167
Speaker 2: is really embarrassing, but hey, that's life. And so I

829
00:38:06,247 --> 00:38:08,007
Speaker 2: watched him do it, and instead of dying, which I

830
00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:10,007
Speaker 2: thought I was going to, I was like, do I

831
00:38:10,007 --> 00:38:12,087
Speaker 2: really have to come? And then I was like, no,

832
00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:15,247
Speaker 2: support him supporting me or supports you. I actually had

833
00:38:15,287 --> 00:38:17,767
Speaker 2: like tears of laughter, enjoy running down my face, and

834
00:38:17,807 --> 00:38:20,727
Speaker 2: I was like, look at that freaking idiot. Go I

835
00:38:20,767 --> 00:38:21,287
Speaker 2: love him.

836
00:38:21,527 --> 00:38:23,807
Speaker 3: I thought he was great. Can I be honest like

837
00:38:23,807 --> 00:38:25,127
Speaker 3: I thought he was great? And I was like, I

838
00:38:25,167 --> 00:38:27,447
Speaker 3: think it's a risky you posted it because a lot

839
00:38:27,447 --> 00:38:28,567
Speaker 3: of single women follow you.

840
00:38:29,687 --> 00:38:31,967
Speaker 2: I don't think so, A lot a lot of women

841
00:38:32,047 --> 00:38:35,887
Speaker 2: just gave me this anyway, that's my best for the week.

842
00:38:35,927 --> 00:38:37,967
Speaker 2: I loved it. That is all we Oh, it's not

843
00:38:38,047 --> 00:38:39,007
Speaker 2: all we have time for.

844
00:38:39,407 --> 00:38:41,087
Speaker 1: We also are going to tell you what else we've

845
00:38:41,087 --> 00:38:44,567
Speaker 1: got on our podcast this week. Because we all freelance, freestyle,

846
00:38:44,887 --> 00:38:48,767
Speaker 1: side hustle on other shows, we all cheat on this one.

847
00:38:48,887 --> 00:38:51,967
Speaker 1: On No Filter this week, I interviewed Raina Cohen and

848
00:38:52,047 --> 00:38:54,247
Speaker 1: we discussed the idea of what if our friends are

849
00:38:54,287 --> 00:38:57,167
Speaker 1: our soulmates? It's really interesting. It's about the idea of

850
00:38:57,287 --> 00:39:01,287
Speaker 1: prioritizing friendships over having a partner. And you should have

851
00:39:01,367 --> 00:39:04,527
Speaker 1: had a significant other who was a friend or going

852
00:39:04,527 --> 00:39:05,527
Speaker 1: to have your birthday cakere you?

853
00:39:05,567 --> 00:39:06,967
Speaker 2: Should you need a comment?

854
00:39:07,207 --> 00:39:07,447
Speaker 3: Yeah?

855
00:39:07,487 --> 00:39:08,447
Speaker 1: Who did you talk to me?

856
00:39:08,807 --> 00:39:10,847
Speaker 2: I talked to Katherine May, who is an author, a

857
00:39:10,887 --> 00:39:12,887
Speaker 2: British author who I love because she wrote a book

858
00:39:12,927 --> 00:39:15,567
Speaker 2: called Wintering that went really nuts. Joining me I'm always

859
00:39:15,567 --> 00:39:19,007
Speaker 2: speaking about that. It was about rest and burnout. So

860
00:39:19,047 --> 00:39:22,967
Speaker 2: you would have liked to m company at this episode,

861
00:39:22,967 --> 00:39:26,327
Speaker 2: but no, it was about burnout. And she has a

862
00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:29,047
Speaker 2: very clear way of defining burnout, which is what happens

863
00:39:29,047 --> 00:39:32,647
Speaker 2: to you when you consistently deprioritize your own needs. And

864
00:39:32,687 --> 00:39:34,847
Speaker 2: a lot of midlife women obviously are doing that. They're caring,

865
00:39:34,887 --> 00:39:37,287
Speaker 2: they're working, they're caring, they're working. And then she has

866
00:39:37,327 --> 00:39:40,327
Speaker 2: this sort of radical point that all the things we're

867
00:39:40,327 --> 00:39:42,927
Speaker 2: told to do to cure it slow down. Dahl basically,

868
00:39:42,967 --> 00:39:45,287
Speaker 2: you know, meditate, you do this, and that is almost

869
00:39:45,327 --> 00:39:47,967
Speaker 2: impossible when you've got a lot of responsibilities and was

870
00:39:48,007 --> 00:39:51,007
Speaker 2: almost certainly like designed by a guy. She was like

871
00:39:51,047 --> 00:39:53,127
Speaker 2: she once went on this meditation retreat and the guy

872
00:39:53,127 --> 00:39:55,407
Speaker 2: who was leading it was like, so three times a day,

873
00:39:55,887 --> 00:39:57,567
Speaker 2: just take your half an hour and she's like.

874
00:39:57,687 --> 00:39:58,447
Speaker 4: What are you doing?

875
00:39:58,727 --> 00:40:01,647
Speaker 2: Who's looking after your children? Like what's going anyway? So

876
00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:05,087
Speaker 2: it's a really really great episode, if I say so myself,

877
00:40:05,087 --> 00:40:06,447
Speaker 2: but that's not because of me, it's kind of hers.

878
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:09,087
Speaker 2: Great Catherine may burnout. What did you do this week?

879
00:40:09,287 --> 00:40:10,967
Speaker 3: This week, I did a lot of things. I wasn't

880
00:40:11,007 --> 00:40:12,807
Speaker 3: resting this week, just so you know, Just so you know,

881
00:40:13,647 --> 00:40:15,447
Speaker 3: we talked all about a lot of things on the spill.

882
00:40:15,487 --> 00:40:18,247
Speaker 3: It's obviously a daily podcast, but one of my favorite

883
00:40:18,247 --> 00:40:20,087
Speaker 3: episodes we did was earlier in the week. We talked

884
00:40:20,087 --> 00:40:24,487
Speaker 3: about Northwest as Simba in the Lion King thirtieth Reunion

885
00:40:24,487 --> 00:40:29,887
Speaker 3: thirtieth Concerts, Northwest being Kim Kardashian west Child.

886
00:40:30,047 --> 00:40:32,447
Speaker 2: A lot of snarky tone about that poor kid.

887
00:40:33,687 --> 00:40:34,567
Speaker 3: No, you don't feel bad.

888
00:40:34,567 --> 00:40:36,007
Speaker 2: It's not her fault. It is her fault.

889
00:40:36,047 --> 00:40:39,047
Speaker 1: I'm sorry from what I heard on this bill. Kim

890
00:40:39,167 --> 00:40:41,927
Speaker 1: got her her own like she was in the proper

891
00:40:41,967 --> 00:40:44,327
Speaker 1: Broadway production of The Linking Right, which I've seen many times.

892
00:40:44,327 --> 00:40:47,007
Speaker 1: The costumes are amazing. Hudson was in there, it was huge,

893
00:40:47,047 --> 00:40:50,927
Speaker 1: but she got a special costume designed for Northwest, so

894
00:40:51,007 --> 00:40:54,167
Speaker 1: Northwest looked like she was in a completely different show.

895
00:40:54,687 --> 00:40:57,967
Speaker 2: Every other costume I mean, crikey, but this is this

896
00:40:58,087 --> 00:40:59,287
Speaker 2: North's fault. Anyway.

897
00:40:59,967 --> 00:41:03,487
Speaker 3: Anyway, we talked about and we talked about Northwest, the

898
00:41:03,487 --> 00:41:05,567
Speaker 3: biggest ever baby out there right now, She's not even

899
00:41:05,607 --> 00:41:08,447
Speaker 3: trying to hide it. And the secondhand embarrassment I got

900
00:41:08,447 --> 00:41:09,167
Speaker 3: from her performance.

901
00:41:09,447 --> 00:41:11,287
Speaker 2: That is all we have time for today. I think

902
00:41:11,327 --> 00:41:13,687
Speaker 2: we've talked a lot for Friday. It's been very fun.

903
00:41:13,727 --> 00:41:16,647
Speaker 2: Thank you to you and for filling in for Jesse.

904
00:41:16,767 --> 00:41:19,647
Speaker 2: You've been great. Thank you.

905
00:41:19,647 --> 00:41:21,047
Speaker 3: No, I'm going to log this in my app tonight.

906
00:41:22,047 --> 00:41:23,127
Speaker 1: Take it rost day off.

907
00:41:23,807 --> 00:41:27,647
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Thank you to our team that is

908
00:41:27,727 --> 00:41:30,847
Speaker 2: the amazing Emma Ling Gazillous, the assistant producer Charlie Blackman,

909
00:41:31,127 --> 00:41:34,487
Speaker 2: audio producer Leah Porges, and our brand manager Kerry Scott Jackson.

910
00:41:34,727 --> 00:41:38,847
Speaker 2: We'll see you all next week. Goodbye bye. You're beautiful.

911
00:41:38,847 --> 00:41:41,967
Speaker 2: Have I told you lately? You're beautiful? Mea, You're so beautiful.

912
00:41:45,287 --> 00:41:48,127
Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mama Mia subscribers listening. If you

913
00:41:48,327 --> 00:41:51,167
Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

914
00:41:51,207 --> 00:41:53,647
Speaker 2: to Momma Mia is the very best way to do it.

915
00:41:53,807 --> 00:41:55,687
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