1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,464 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,224 --> 00:00:28,304 Speaker 2: From MoMA Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,344 --> 00:00:32,584 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm am Vernon and today I am joined by. 6 00:00:34,544 --> 00:00:36,704 Speaker 1: For the drum roll. Yeah, I'm Claire Murphy. 7 00:00:36,744 --> 00:00:38,984 Speaker 3: You normally hear me on Mum and MEA's daily news podcast, 8 00:00:39,024 --> 00:00:39,864 Speaker 3: The Quickie. 9 00:00:39,584 --> 00:00:43,144 Speaker 1: But I'm filling in some very very big shoes today. 10 00:00:43,184 --> 00:00:46,304 Speaker 1: For Laura where is Brodneck. I think she's on a 11 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:47,064 Speaker 1: boat somewhere. 12 00:00:47,584 --> 00:00:50,424 Speaker 3: She's always on a boat or a bridgeton set or 13 00:00:50,424 --> 00:00:53,064 Speaker 3: a something movie premiere holding a cocktail. 14 00:00:53,224 --> 00:00:57,864 Speaker 2: She is on a very big luxury cruise and we 15 00:00:57,944 --> 00:00:59,184 Speaker 2: are very happy for her. 16 00:00:59,264 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 1: I guess stoked. Good on you, Laura Brodnick. 17 00:01:05,224 --> 00:01:08,624 Speaker 2: On the show today, a Bridgeton star has spoken about 18 00:01:08,624 --> 00:01:11,144 Speaker 2: the way she was lit across the series and it 19 00:01:11,184 --> 00:01:13,584 Speaker 2: says a lot about how far we haven't come with 20 00:01:13,704 --> 00:01:17,144 Speaker 2: diversity in production and the rise and meeting behind why. 21 00:01:17,224 --> 00:01:20,664 Speaker 2: More and more celebrities are being candid with their health struggles. 22 00:01:21,144 --> 00:01:25,104 Speaker 2: But first, Demi Lovado is about to make her directorial 23 00:01:25,184 --> 00:01:28,904 Speaker 2: debut with a new documentary she's releasing called Child Star, 24 00:01:29,544 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 2: so she's not gonna be the only one featured in 25 00:01:31,584 --> 00:01:34,224 Speaker 2: the doco. She'll be accompanied by other child stars like 26 00:01:34,304 --> 00:01:38,584 Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore, Keenan Thompson, Raven Simone, Alison Stoner, and a 27 00:01:38,624 --> 00:01:40,904 Speaker 2: new one Jojo Siwa. She's, like, I think, one of 28 00:01:40,944 --> 00:01:43,424 Speaker 2: the like freshest child stars. If I can. 29 00:01:43,264 --> 00:01:46,264 Speaker 1: Say that she's she's technically still a child I think, so. 30 00:01:47,864 --> 00:01:58,304 Speaker 2: Your s you're still adritor. So I think what they've 31 00:01:58,304 --> 00:02:00,744 Speaker 2: done here is they're using child stars across the decades. 32 00:02:01,104 --> 00:02:05,464 Speaker 2: I'm personally most interested in Keenan Thompson because most people 33 00:02:05,504 --> 00:02:08,184 Speaker 2: know him for being a cast member of SNL, but 34 00:02:08,304 --> 00:02:10,664 Speaker 2: I knew him when I was a kid, pickause he 35 00:02:10,784 --> 00:02:13,904 Speaker 2: starred in this TV show on Nickelodeon called Keenan and kel. 36 00:02:14,304 --> 00:02:16,944 Speaker 2: It was literally the funniest show of my life. And 37 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:18,864 Speaker 2: as you know we talked about in the podcasts before, 38 00:02:18,864 --> 00:02:22,544 Speaker 2: but Nickelodeon had this big xposa documentary made about them 39 00:02:22,584 --> 00:02:25,264 Speaker 2: and their treatment of child actors who were working for 40 00:02:25,304 --> 00:02:28,224 Speaker 2: that network called Quite on Set. So I'm interested to 41 00:02:28,264 --> 00:02:31,384 Speaker 2: hear his story and experience of a child star, as 42 00:02:31,424 --> 00:02:33,024 Speaker 2: well as Jojo Ceu are because I feel like she's 43 00:02:33,144 --> 00:02:34,304 Speaker 2: like still in it right now. 44 00:02:34,904 --> 00:02:37,664 Speaker 3: It's really interesting, isn't it, Because in the past, we 45 00:02:37,784 --> 00:02:40,824 Speaker 3: haven't had opportunities for child stars to really have a 46 00:02:40,864 --> 00:02:44,544 Speaker 3: platform to tell their story from their perspective, unless someone 47 00:02:44,624 --> 00:02:48,184 Speaker 3: does a big documentary. But it seems like now with 48 00:02:48,344 --> 00:02:51,304 Speaker 3: streaming services, there's more and more opportunities for these guys 49 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:54,624 Speaker 3: to come out because they're not necessarily putting their careers 50 00:02:54,664 --> 00:02:58,744 Speaker 3: on the line to do this, and they're really exposing 51 00:02:58,784 --> 00:03:00,704 Speaker 3: some pretty dark truths about what it is to be 52 00:03:00,704 --> 00:03:04,224 Speaker 3: a child star. Nonetheless, child stars will continue being child 53 00:03:04,224 --> 00:03:07,824 Speaker 3: stars forever and ever because Hollywood needs kids, right But 54 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:10,704 Speaker 3: it's so interesting that they've got a platform now and 55 00:03:10,744 --> 00:03:13,144 Speaker 3: they can get a bit of redemption for how they 56 00:03:13,184 --> 00:03:16,744 Speaker 3: were either treated or shown back in the day when 57 00:03:16,784 --> 00:03:18,944 Speaker 3: they really didn't have a voice. And we're seeing this 58 00:03:18,984 --> 00:03:22,224 Speaker 3: more and more now, especially with the rise of former 59 00:03:22,304 --> 00:03:25,224 Speaker 3: child stars, or even not even child stars necessarily, but 60 00:03:25,304 --> 00:03:28,864 Speaker 3: stars who were younger, like in their twenties or late teens, 61 00:03:29,224 --> 00:03:32,344 Speaker 3: especially during the late nineties and early two thousands, where 62 00:03:32,704 --> 00:03:37,744 Speaker 3: we treated women especially horrifically. I mean, the things that 63 00:03:37,784 --> 00:03:40,584 Speaker 3: we did to celebrities or said about celebrities back then 64 00:03:40,944 --> 00:03:43,344 Speaker 3: about them all just being horrible human beings and just 65 00:03:43,384 --> 00:03:46,744 Speaker 3: got away with it. Was really interesting to allow them 66 00:03:46,744 --> 00:03:49,064 Speaker 3: a space now to actually come out and tell us 67 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:52,664 Speaker 3: the real truth from their perspective about what really went down, 68 00:03:52,704 --> 00:03:54,424 Speaker 3: and we really have to stop and say, hang on 69 00:03:54,464 --> 00:03:56,504 Speaker 3: a minute, like we really did the wrong by a 70 00:03:56,544 --> 00:03:58,904 Speaker 3: lot of these kids and young adults back in the day. 71 00:03:59,064 --> 00:04:01,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so excited and I'm excited that it looks 72 00:04:01,544 --> 00:04:05,304 Speaker 2: like this documentary have so many like right now, famous 73 00:04:05,304 --> 00:04:09,024 Speaker 2: people who have made their career and exactly what you said, Claire, 74 00:04:09,064 --> 00:04:10,944 Speaker 2: like they now are in a place in their career 75 00:04:10,944 --> 00:04:13,104 Speaker 2: where they can say whatever they want because it won't 76 00:04:13,104 --> 00:04:15,984 Speaker 2: affect them now as an adult. And hopefully we'll change 77 00:04:15,984 --> 00:04:18,904 Speaker 2: things for upcoming child stars as well. So we will 78 00:04:18,904 --> 00:04:21,784 Speaker 2: definitely be talking about this documentary when it comes out. 79 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:24,504 Speaker 2: I'm also really interested to see Demie Lovado and her 80 00:04:24,744 --> 00:04:30,224 Speaker 2: directorial skills also canceled. Mamma MEAs comedy and entertainment podcast 81 00:04:30,304 --> 00:04:33,784 Speaker 2: hosted by Jesse and Claire Stevens did an episode on 82 00:04:33,864 --> 00:04:36,224 Speaker 2: Jojo Siwall It is so funny. If you want to 83 00:04:36,224 --> 00:04:37,944 Speaker 2: know more about her, we will link that episode in 84 00:04:37,944 --> 00:04:38,544 Speaker 2: our show notes. 85 00:04:38,664 --> 00:04:41,704 Speaker 3: Nana Nanaa so Adjua. 86 00:04:41,344 --> 00:04:45,624 Speaker 2: Ando, who plays Lady Danbury in Bridgeton aka the best 87 00:04:45,704 --> 00:04:49,424 Speaker 2: character on that entire show. She was interviewed on the 88 00:04:49,464 --> 00:04:53,024 Speaker 2: Stirring Up podcast and talked about how she faced disappointment 89 00:04:53,224 --> 00:04:56,384 Speaker 2: when it came to lighting black actors and herself on 90 00:04:56,504 --> 00:05:00,424 Speaker 2: the series. She said, continuing the conversation about lighting black 91 00:05:00,464 --> 00:05:03,944 Speaker 2: skin on every show, nothing's changed. She also said that 92 00:05:03,984 --> 00:05:05,664 Speaker 2: for things to change, it has to be on the 93 00:05:05,664 --> 00:05:08,704 Speaker 2: onus of the black actors to speak up from themselves, saying, 94 00:05:09,024 --> 00:05:10,904 Speaker 2: I want to stay in character. I just want to 95 00:05:10,904 --> 00:05:13,184 Speaker 2: come on and be Lady Danbury and do what I've 96 00:05:13,184 --> 00:05:16,184 Speaker 2: got to do and be totally engaged with that. When 97 00:05:16,384 --> 00:05:19,784 Speaker 2: she said this, something kind of unlocked in my brain 98 00:05:20,024 --> 00:05:25,464 Speaker 2: about the way people photograph and light dark skinned people. 99 00:05:25,544 --> 00:05:27,904 Speaker 2: It's something that I've had to face with, like professional 100 00:05:27,904 --> 00:05:30,784 Speaker 2: shots being done of me, Like I love the photos, 101 00:05:30,824 --> 00:05:33,384 Speaker 2: but I get so nervous when it goes into the 102 00:05:33,544 --> 00:05:37,104 Speaker 2: editing process because I just know that they're constantly trying 103 00:05:37,104 --> 00:05:40,344 Speaker 2: to like wash me out, or like some photographers just 104 00:05:40,464 --> 00:05:44,304 Speaker 2: have kind of a basic editing file that they put 105 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:46,744 Speaker 2: on every single photo and they don't look at each 106 00:05:46,864 --> 00:05:50,584 Speaker 2: individual skin tone, because when I get those edited photos back, 107 00:05:50,824 --> 00:05:53,504 Speaker 2: I always think, is that what my skin's meant to be? 108 00:05:53,624 --> 00:05:53,704 Speaker 3: Like? 109 00:05:53,824 --> 00:05:56,184 Speaker 2: Is that what I'm meant to look like? And then 110 00:05:56,224 --> 00:05:59,224 Speaker 2: after I listened to this interview with Ajua, I was 111 00:05:59,264 --> 00:06:01,944 Speaker 2: like looking back at all of the scenes of her 112 00:06:02,064 --> 00:06:05,064 Speaker 2: in Bridgeton, and she's so right. There are some scenes 113 00:06:05,064 --> 00:06:07,544 Speaker 2: where she looks blonde, and she's even called that out 114 00:06:07,544 --> 00:06:09,344 Speaker 2: on the podcast where she's like, I didn't know I 115 00:06:09,424 --> 00:06:12,224 Speaker 2: was blonde, and I'm like, that's so true. Like the 116 00:06:12,264 --> 00:06:17,904 Speaker 2: way they light her has made her so like overexposed 117 00:06:17,984 --> 00:06:20,424 Speaker 2: and it takes away the contrast, and I think it 118 00:06:20,624 --> 00:06:24,984 Speaker 2: does such an injustice to her character and the way 119 00:06:25,064 --> 00:06:28,344 Speaker 2: she conveys her facial expressions and things like that. It 120 00:06:28,464 --> 00:06:31,904 Speaker 2: reminded me of this interview with Ava Bikovski, who was 121 00:06:31,944 --> 00:06:34,744 Speaker 2: the director of photography for a show Insecure. Have you 122 00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:35,744 Speaker 2: watched Insecure, Claire? 123 00:06:35,944 --> 00:06:36,504 Speaker 1: I haven't. 124 00:06:36,784 --> 00:06:39,264 Speaker 2: It is brilliant. I think we've talked about on the 125 00:06:39,264 --> 00:06:43,064 Speaker 2: podcast before. But it was created and stars Isarae, who's 126 00:06:43,144 --> 00:06:45,904 Speaker 2: absolutely like the best comedian ever, and it has a 127 00:06:45,944 --> 00:06:49,584 Speaker 2: predominantly black cast. And Brukovski was saying, when I was 128 00:06:49,624 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 2: in film school, no one ever talked about lighting non 129 00:06:52,064 --> 00:06:55,304 Speaker 2: white people and she had to work with the makeup 130 00:06:55,384 --> 00:06:59,104 Speaker 2: artist and use different lighting techniques for the cast of Insecure, 131 00:06:59,264 --> 00:07:01,624 Speaker 2: And she was talking about her techniques and said that 132 00:07:01,664 --> 00:07:04,144 Speaker 2: when you use the same lighting techniques as you do 133 00:07:04,224 --> 00:07:08,064 Speaker 2: with lighter skin people on black actors, it just completely 134 00:07:08,184 --> 00:07:10,944 Speaker 2: washes them out. And she says that that's exactly what 135 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:13,664 Speaker 2: happened on the show Fresh Prince of bel Air. And 136 00:07:13,704 --> 00:07:15,584 Speaker 2: if you look at the photographs from like the stills 137 00:07:15,584 --> 00:07:18,504 Speaker 2: from that show, if you look at the background, it's 138 00:07:18,504 --> 00:07:22,384 Speaker 2: so light, like, it's so overexposed, there's no contrast. And 139 00:07:22,424 --> 00:07:25,624 Speaker 2: it just made me think that with these shows that 140 00:07:25,784 --> 00:07:30,144 Speaker 2: like promote diversity, like Bridgeton, who have both white actors 141 00:07:30,184 --> 00:07:33,824 Speaker 2: and black actors acting together, do they just have one 142 00:07:33,904 --> 00:07:36,424 Speaker 2: type of technique and just for the rest of them, 143 00:07:36,424 --> 00:07:38,784 Speaker 2: they're like, Oh, I'll just have to do versus actually 144 00:07:38,824 --> 00:07:40,704 Speaker 2: trying to actually try. 145 00:07:40,864 --> 00:07:43,184 Speaker 1: Basically, it's really interesting, isn't it. 146 00:07:43,184 --> 00:07:45,184 Speaker 3: And I'm going to say a phrase it's going to 147 00:07:45,224 --> 00:07:48,424 Speaker 3: make some people maybe get a visceral reaction, But this 148 00:07:48,584 --> 00:07:52,224 Speaker 3: is moments where those of us who have light skin 149 00:07:52,464 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 3: have a moment we're like, oh, this is another form 150 00:07:55,464 --> 00:07:59,104 Speaker 3: of white privilege, because there's no way I'd ever step 151 00:07:59,144 --> 00:08:01,984 Speaker 3: onto a movie set and have to think even twice 152 00:08:02,064 --> 00:08:04,464 Speaker 3: about how they're going to light my skin. And it's 153 00:08:04,504 --> 00:08:07,424 Speaker 3: the same thing as when back in the day there 154 00:08:07,504 --> 00:08:11,304 Speaker 3: wasn't a range of foundation colors available. For example, or 155 00:08:11,784 --> 00:08:16,344 Speaker 3: Misty Copeland, who's ballerina in the US, and she explained 156 00:08:16,384 --> 00:08:19,904 Speaker 3: how all ballet shoes are light pink. So for years 157 00:08:20,104 --> 00:08:22,664 Speaker 3: ballerinas with darker skin have had to use makeup to 158 00:08:22,904 --> 00:08:25,264 Speaker 3: darken their shoes because it's supposed to be an extension 159 00:08:25,264 --> 00:08:28,024 Speaker 3: of their leg. And there's all these small things that 160 00:08:28,184 --> 00:08:30,984 Speaker 3: as a white woman, I do not have to think about. 161 00:08:31,224 --> 00:08:32,744 Speaker 3: I don't have to worry about going in to have 162 00:08:32,824 --> 00:08:35,424 Speaker 3: my photo taken by my workplace, my headshots. I don't 163 00:08:35,424 --> 00:08:37,584 Speaker 3: have to worry about whether the lighting is going to 164 00:08:37,584 --> 00:08:39,664 Speaker 3: make my skin look something different to what it is 165 00:08:39,664 --> 00:08:42,864 Speaker 3: in real life. And so I had no idea that 166 00:08:43,224 --> 00:08:45,944 Speaker 3: black actors are going on to sets and are concerned 167 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:48,504 Speaker 3: that they're going to come out looking gray or ten 168 00:08:48,544 --> 00:08:52,184 Speaker 3: shades lighter than what they would in real life. I've 169 00:08:52,264 --> 00:08:55,584 Speaker 3: noticed at times when someone has really really dark skin, 170 00:08:55,664 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 3: how it often looks very shiny. Yeah, and I'm guessing 171 00:08:58,384 --> 00:09:01,024 Speaker 3: that's because the lighting is set to so bright and 172 00:09:01,144 --> 00:09:05,184 Speaker 3: white that it's reflecting off of their dark melanin. And 173 00:09:05,224 --> 00:09:07,304 Speaker 3: it's never really occurred to me that that's even been 174 00:09:07,384 --> 00:09:10,104 Speaker 3: an issue. So it's really interesting to hear these things 175 00:09:10,104 --> 00:09:12,344 Speaker 3: for the first time and understand that a lot of 176 00:09:12,344 --> 00:09:14,384 Speaker 3: these people are learning on the job because no one 177 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:18,024 Speaker 3: is training them to actually light people with darker skin. 178 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:21,144 Speaker 2: And it's just so interesting to watch a show as 179 00:09:21,224 --> 00:09:24,424 Speaker 2: big as Bridgetin, which like they have so much money, 180 00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:26,504 Speaker 2: Like we've seen the sets, we've seen the actors, we've 181 00:09:26,504 --> 00:09:27,864 Speaker 2: seen the locations they shoot on. 182 00:09:28,384 --> 00:09:31,184 Speaker 3: And also Shonder Shonder Rhymes is a black woman. You 183 00:09:31,224 --> 00:09:34,544 Speaker 3: would expect her to know these things, right, And it's. 184 00:09:34,704 --> 00:09:37,664 Speaker 2: Interesting how we say to them that show is doing 185 00:09:37,704 --> 00:09:40,264 Speaker 2: so much for diversity, and it is like the way 186 00:09:40,384 --> 00:09:43,904 Speaker 2: they've changed those books completely to include a diverse cast. 187 00:09:44,504 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 2: But as consumers and as the audience, we see that 188 00:09:48,744 --> 00:09:51,464 Speaker 2: and we're like applauding them, whereas it actually runs so 189 00:09:51,544 --> 00:09:54,184 Speaker 2: much deeper than that. It runs through like the hair 190 00:09:54,224 --> 00:09:57,024 Speaker 2: and makeup artists and how they're portraying that with the 191 00:09:57,064 --> 00:10:00,784 Speaker 2: actors and the lighting, and it's just so unfortunate that 192 00:10:01,104 --> 00:10:03,104 Speaker 2: even as Joe are having to take up space in 193 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:05,224 Speaker 2: an interview that's meant to be about her and her 194 00:10:05,304 --> 00:10:08,384 Speaker 2: acting and her performance, she has to talk about like 195 00:10:08,464 --> 00:10:11,464 Speaker 2: how she's just never lit properly and she's called that 196 00:10:11,544 --> 00:10:13,504 Speaker 2: out and says it always has to be on us, 197 00:10:13,544 --> 00:10:15,344 Speaker 2: like it always has to be on black actors and 198 00:10:15,424 --> 00:10:17,784 Speaker 2: dark skinned actors to be the ones to call it out, 199 00:10:17,824 --> 00:10:19,704 Speaker 2: and then we have to put ourselves in that position. 200 00:10:19,824 --> 00:10:21,984 Speaker 3: And she also said in an interview too that she 201 00:10:22,144 --> 00:10:23,904 Speaker 3: hates that she has to be that person. 202 00:10:24,224 --> 00:10:26,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, she just wants to do her job. 203 00:10:26,264 --> 00:10:27,224 Speaker 1: She just wants to do a job. 204 00:10:27,264 --> 00:10:28,744 Speaker 3: She doesn't want to have to be an activist every 205 00:10:28,784 --> 00:10:31,104 Speaker 3: single time she steps out to do her gig, Like 206 00:10:31,184 --> 00:10:32,784 Speaker 3: she should just be able to step up and get 207 00:10:32,824 --> 00:10:34,264 Speaker 3: it done right. But she's like, you have to be 208 00:10:34,264 --> 00:10:36,504 Speaker 3: because someone has to be and someone has to say it. 209 00:10:36,944 --> 00:10:38,904 Speaker 3: And she's gotten to a stage in her career where 210 00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:41,424 Speaker 3: she's like, I don't want to be lit like a 211 00:10:41,424 --> 00:10:43,584 Speaker 3: white woman, but she has to kind of be a 212 00:10:43,784 --> 00:10:45,064 Speaker 3: mini activist every time she. 213 00:10:45,024 --> 00:10:46,424 Speaker 1: Goes to work. It must be exhausting. 214 00:10:46,864 --> 00:10:48,904 Speaker 3: Does this happen to you though, em I mean we 215 00:10:49,664 --> 00:10:52,584 Speaker 3: are in media, we have photos taken of ourselves. We have, 216 00:10:53,064 --> 00:10:55,104 Speaker 3: you know, vision taken of ourselves. Do you feel like 217 00:10:55,104 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 3: like we're sitting here right now filming this actual conversation, 218 00:10:59,864 --> 00:11:02,224 Speaker 3: like do you feel like the lighting you're currently sitting 219 00:11:02,264 --> 00:11:05,144 Speaker 3: in does your skin tone justice? 220 00:11:05,184 --> 00:11:07,624 Speaker 2: Looking at my screen? I don't think it does, but 221 00:11:07,984 --> 00:11:12,104 Speaker 2: I have had issues where being lit I think on 222 00:11:12,224 --> 00:11:15,944 Speaker 2: video and for photos where it does look like my 223 00:11:16,024 --> 00:11:19,184 Speaker 2: skin is much lighter on the image than it is 224 00:11:19,224 --> 00:11:22,744 Speaker 2: in real life. But I do think that with the 225 00:11:22,864 --> 00:11:25,744 Speaker 2: younger generation that's changing, Like we have quite I guess 226 00:11:25,744 --> 00:11:28,984 Speaker 2: a quote unquote younger social team here at Mama Mia, 227 00:11:29,104 --> 00:11:32,544 Speaker 2: and they are so good at the post production of 228 00:11:32,704 --> 00:11:34,824 Speaker 2: the social clips. You would see them on our Instagram 229 00:11:35,184 --> 00:11:39,424 Speaker 2: of lighting my skin, like they know that each individual 230 00:11:39,464 --> 00:11:43,024 Speaker 2: person can't have the same kind of I guess levels 231 00:11:43,064 --> 00:11:46,064 Speaker 2: as everyone else. And then there's really good at lighting 232 00:11:46,104 --> 00:11:49,424 Speaker 2: individual people, which I think I never got previously in 233 00:11:49,504 --> 00:11:52,264 Speaker 2: media because I've been in the industry for about five years. 234 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:54,944 Speaker 2: And it was so telling when I looked at photos 235 00:11:54,984 --> 00:11:57,704 Speaker 2: or videos of myself they just had like one kind 236 00:11:57,704 --> 00:12:00,264 Speaker 2: of preset that they just overlaid on top of everyone 237 00:12:00,584 --> 00:12:02,704 Speaker 2: and didn't take the time to analyze my skin. 238 00:12:02,824 --> 00:12:04,224 Speaker 1: See does actually look like. 239 00:12:04,264 --> 00:12:06,384 Speaker 2: M Burnham or was this kind of like a different 240 00:12:06,464 --> 00:12:07,984 Speaker 2: version of her because it's like. 241 00:12:08,064 --> 00:12:10,184 Speaker 1: It's cool, we'll just make a Verna look like everybody else. 242 00:12:10,904 --> 00:12:13,744 Speaker 2: And I think them seeing that as like, oh, it 243 00:12:13,904 --> 00:12:17,144 Speaker 2: just happened is like so unfair because it does run 244 00:12:17,184 --> 00:12:19,824 Speaker 2: so much deeper. And that's kind of what I took 245 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:23,904 Speaker 2: away from Ajua's interview was you could hear the frustration 246 00:12:24,144 --> 00:12:26,984 Speaker 2: in those quotes of her going like, it sucks that 247 00:12:27,024 --> 00:12:29,224 Speaker 2: I have to be the one to do this because 248 00:12:29,304 --> 00:12:30,744 Speaker 2: I just want to be in here and just do 249 00:12:30,824 --> 00:12:32,584 Speaker 2: my job and then do a really good job of 250 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:34,664 Speaker 2: that and then go home. I don't want to see 251 00:12:34,744 --> 00:12:37,304 Speaker 2: a version of myself that isn't true and then have 252 00:12:37,344 --> 00:12:39,144 Speaker 2: to try to like analyze and be like, oh, is 253 00:12:39,184 --> 00:12:41,104 Speaker 2: this the version they want me to play? Like should 254 00:12:41,144 --> 00:12:43,624 Speaker 2: I wear a lighter foundation? Should I be doing this 255 00:12:43,704 --> 00:12:45,344 Speaker 2: to make it easier on them when they have to 256 00:12:45,464 --> 00:12:46,984 Speaker 2: edit me? Like, I don't want to be a nuisance. 257 00:12:47,024 --> 00:12:49,584 Speaker 2: I don't want to be a burden. And I just 258 00:12:49,704 --> 00:12:53,344 Speaker 2: hope that with TV shows and movies ongoing, that they 259 00:12:53,464 --> 00:12:57,064 Speaker 2: really look at each individual actor and their skin tone 260 00:12:57,264 --> 00:12:58,984 Speaker 2: and kind of light them so they can just come 261 00:12:58,984 --> 00:12:59,704 Speaker 2: in there and do their. 262 00:12:59,664 --> 00:13:00,664 Speaker 1: Job after the break. 263 00:13:00,704 --> 00:13:04,864 Speaker 3: We're talking about celebs who have taken their health issues 264 00:13:04,904 --> 00:13:07,184 Speaker 3: into their own hands. And I don't mean in getting 265 00:13:07,224 --> 00:13:09,824 Speaker 3: a diagnosis. I mean in how they are treated by 266 00:13:09,824 --> 00:13:16,224 Speaker 3: the Pepperah. Celebrities are having to take their health issues 267 00:13:16,264 --> 00:13:20,704 Speaker 3: to the public before the media does. Now, this happened 268 00:13:20,984 --> 00:13:24,384 Speaker 3: a couple of times this week. First, Pete Davidson is 269 00:13:24,544 --> 00:13:27,464 Speaker 3: back in a treatment facility, so it was revealed that 270 00:13:27,584 --> 00:13:31,864 Speaker 3: he is getting treated for mental health issues. He has 271 00:13:31,904 --> 00:13:35,104 Speaker 3: actually been on a massive run of work, so he's 272 00:13:35,144 --> 00:13:38,744 Speaker 3: done like a two hundred plus live show tour, He's 273 00:13:38,784 --> 00:13:41,944 Speaker 3: done a bunch of movies. He's also had a Netflix special, 274 00:13:42,024 --> 00:13:44,904 Speaker 3: Like he's really been working very, very hard. And we 275 00:13:44,984 --> 00:13:47,824 Speaker 3: know that he has quite a history with substance abuse 276 00:13:47,944 --> 00:13:51,704 Speaker 3: and with mental health issues, and he's also talked about 277 00:13:51,744 --> 00:13:53,864 Speaker 3: it in his stand up show. So in one, for example, 278 00:13:53,944 --> 00:13:56,104 Speaker 3: he told the crowd like, hey guys, I'm just fresh 279 00:13:56,144 --> 00:13:59,224 Speaker 3: out of rehab, got that post rehab glow and it 280 00:13:59,344 --> 00:14:02,584 Speaker 3: was like seventh times a job. So he's actually made 281 00:14:02,664 --> 00:14:05,184 Speaker 3: quite a joke about it. But he is back in 282 00:14:05,224 --> 00:14:08,304 Speaker 3: treatment right now to help him cope with what he's 283 00:14:08,344 --> 00:14:12,224 Speaker 3: dealing with. Mentally, but it's had to come out in 284 00:14:12,264 --> 00:14:17,064 Speaker 3: a way that's controlled by him. It's almost like a 285 00:14:17,144 --> 00:14:19,624 Speaker 3: press release goes out and says, hey, guys, just letting 286 00:14:19,664 --> 00:14:22,624 Speaker 3: you know Pete's back in rehab or back in a 287 00:14:22,624 --> 00:14:27,624 Speaker 3: wellness facility. He's dealing with mental health issues, rather than 288 00:14:27,704 --> 00:14:31,424 Speaker 3: the opposite, which would be paparazzi wait outside of a 289 00:14:31,464 --> 00:14:35,384 Speaker 3: rehab facility or follow a celebrity from their house, as 290 00:14:35,424 --> 00:14:38,184 Speaker 3: we saw with Princess Diana who's chased through a tunnel 291 00:14:38,184 --> 00:14:40,624 Speaker 3: by a paparazzi on scooters. They follow from their house 292 00:14:40,624 --> 00:14:43,464 Speaker 3: to wherever they might go, and it just happens that 293 00:14:43,504 --> 00:14:45,464 Speaker 3: he ends up at this rehab facility, and then the 294 00:14:45,504 --> 00:14:48,784 Speaker 3: headlines are just like fill in the blanks as to 295 00:14:48,824 --> 00:14:52,424 Speaker 3: why he's there, right, so he can control exactly what's 296 00:14:52,464 --> 00:14:54,704 Speaker 3: being said about him, even though he has a long 297 00:14:54,784 --> 00:14:57,144 Speaker 3: history with this kind of stuff. It's just really interesting 298 00:14:57,144 --> 00:14:59,664 Speaker 3: that celebs are having to take control of this now 299 00:15:00,224 --> 00:15:01,544 Speaker 3: in a way we haven't seen before. 300 00:15:01,744 --> 00:15:04,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like it's starting to really pump 301 00:15:04,664 --> 00:15:07,944 Speaker 2: up like before. I think one of the biggest like 302 00:15:07,984 --> 00:15:11,664 Speaker 2: documentary series right now is Leene Dion's where she talks 303 00:15:11,704 --> 00:15:15,184 Speaker 2: about her stiff person syndrome, because I think she just 304 00:15:15,264 --> 00:15:16,944 Speaker 2: like she wanted to own that narrative and she does 305 00:15:16,984 --> 00:15:18,744 Speaker 2: it so beautifully, and then we got to see her 306 00:15:18,744 --> 00:15:21,704 Speaker 2: perform at the Olympics. But you're right, I think like, 307 00:15:21,824 --> 00:15:25,064 Speaker 2: right now, more than ever, we're seeing so many more 308 00:15:25,104 --> 00:15:29,144 Speaker 2: celebrities talk about their health issues so candidly, because didn't 309 00:15:29,184 --> 00:15:32,384 Speaker 2: Chrissy Tigan also post about a health issue that one 310 00:15:32,424 --> 00:15:33,704 Speaker 2: of her children was going through. 311 00:15:34,144 --> 00:15:34,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, she did. 312 00:15:34,984 --> 00:15:37,304 Speaker 3: She's over in Paris at the Games at the moment, 313 00:15:37,344 --> 00:15:39,704 Speaker 3: and she was cheering on Simone Biles in the gymnastics 314 00:15:39,744 --> 00:15:42,144 Speaker 3: the other night, and her and her kids, Luna Miles 315 00:15:42,184 --> 00:15:44,024 Speaker 3: are sitting either side of her and they're like holding 316 00:15:44,104 --> 00:15:46,544 Speaker 3: up three signs that say like go Simone, Like it's 317 00:15:46,624 --> 00:15:49,584 Speaker 3: a super cute little family shot. But what all the 318 00:15:49,704 --> 00:15:52,424 Speaker 3: fans who follow her noticed in the pick is that 319 00:15:52,544 --> 00:15:55,584 Speaker 3: Miles had like a continuous glucose monitor taped to the 320 00:15:55,664 --> 00:15:58,104 Speaker 3: underside of his arm, which you would never have seen 321 00:15:58,864 --> 00:16:00,424 Speaker 3: had he not been holding a sign in the air. 322 00:16:01,144 --> 00:16:03,544 Speaker 3: So she's had to come out because fans are like, hey, 323 00:16:03,584 --> 00:16:06,544 Speaker 3: what's going on? Is Miles Okay, what's the deal? And 324 00:16:06,664 --> 00:16:08,984 Speaker 3: before anyone in the media can get a hold of 325 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:11,424 Speaker 3: it and make up whatever story they might about her 326 00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:13,784 Speaker 3: treatment of her children or what her children might be 327 00:16:13,824 --> 00:16:17,384 Speaker 3: going through. She got on the front foot and released 328 00:16:17,384 --> 00:16:20,704 Speaker 3: a statement which said Miles was on camp with his 329 00:16:20,784 --> 00:16:24,104 Speaker 3: little schoolmates and they all caught some weird stomach bug 330 00:16:24,184 --> 00:16:26,744 Speaker 3: and they all went to the hospital where they found 331 00:16:26,784 --> 00:16:29,224 Speaker 3: out after doing blood tests that he actually has type 332 00:16:29,224 --> 00:16:33,104 Speaker 3: one diabetes god. And so apparently it's a really common 333 00:16:33,144 --> 00:16:36,104 Speaker 3: way for parents to find out their child has type 334 00:16:36,144 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 3: one is they go for some other reason, they do 335 00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:40,144 Speaker 3: some blood tests and they're like, oh, actually there's more 336 00:16:40,184 --> 00:16:42,544 Speaker 3: going on here. But she's had to come out and 337 00:16:42,624 --> 00:16:46,264 Speaker 3: kind of say explicitly what is wrong with her child, 338 00:16:46,384 --> 00:16:49,344 Speaker 3: and her child's medical issues are now for the world 339 00:16:49,384 --> 00:16:52,144 Speaker 3: to consume, I guess. But it's like, is it better 340 00:16:52,184 --> 00:16:54,704 Speaker 3: for her to say exactly what's happening so no one 341 00:16:54,704 --> 00:16:58,624 Speaker 3: can interpret anything, or do we wait for someone to 342 00:16:58,704 --> 00:17:01,424 Speaker 3: read through those comments a girl or something really terribly 343 00:17:01,424 --> 00:17:03,344 Speaker 3: wrong with Chrissy Teagan's child and then make up some 344 00:17:03,424 --> 00:17:05,304 Speaker 3: kind of headline to go with it. Like it's a 345 00:17:05,304 --> 00:17:07,584 Speaker 3: little bit icky both ways, And it's. 346 00:17:07,504 --> 00:17:10,304 Speaker 2: Kind of like, exactly what you said, Ikey, especially because 347 00:17:10,424 --> 00:17:14,704 Speaker 2: we have talked about a lot before of new celebrities 348 00:17:14,784 --> 00:17:17,344 Speaker 2: moms who have to post their children on social media 349 00:17:17,344 --> 00:17:20,264 Speaker 2: before the paparazzi post them, Like we talk about Rihanna 350 00:17:20,304 --> 00:17:22,664 Speaker 2: having to post her son on TikTok because like paparazzi 351 00:17:22,704 --> 00:17:25,744 Speaker 2: had shots of her son and it sucks that it 352 00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:28,784 Speaker 2: like keeps going. Like you would think like after they 353 00:17:28,824 --> 00:17:30,664 Speaker 2: post their child, they're like, Okay, I'm done, but no, 354 00:17:30,664 --> 00:17:32,984 Speaker 2: now they have to post their child's like health issues. 355 00:17:33,024 --> 00:17:34,584 Speaker 2: They might have to post when their child, like gets 356 00:17:34,584 --> 00:17:36,704 Speaker 2: in a relationship for the first time, has sex for 357 00:17:36,744 --> 00:17:38,944 Speaker 2: the first time, and I'm like, this is so gross, 358 00:17:39,104 --> 00:17:42,584 Speaker 2: Like these parents have to really protect their kids right 359 00:17:42,624 --> 00:17:44,784 Speaker 2: now more than ever than they had to do, like 360 00:17:44,864 --> 00:17:46,864 Speaker 2: I guess before social media. 361 00:17:46,944 --> 00:17:50,384 Speaker 3: But I guess what is good about celebrities having platforms 362 00:17:50,384 --> 00:17:52,504 Speaker 3: outside of the movies or TV shows that they exist 363 00:17:52,544 --> 00:17:56,304 Speaker 3: in is that they can actually harness these stories in 364 00:17:56,344 --> 00:17:57,984 Speaker 3: a way that they haven't been able to before. Like 365 00:17:58,264 --> 00:18:01,144 Speaker 3: when Jeremy Renner got run over by the snowplow, he 366 00:18:01,224 --> 00:18:04,464 Speaker 3: posted from hospital explaining exactly what had happened and how 367 00:18:04,464 --> 00:18:07,184 Speaker 3: his recovery was going. We've seen Kate Beckhensale do it 368 00:18:07,264 --> 00:18:09,424 Speaker 3: quite a bit of like two where she's had some issues. 369 00:18:09,504 --> 00:18:11,624 Speaker 3: She's been a bit more c dick at times with 370 00:18:11,704 --> 00:18:13,424 Speaker 3: what exactly is going on with her, But like she 371 00:18:13,504 --> 00:18:17,224 Speaker 3: posts almost glamour shots from her hospital bed explaining that 372 00:18:17,264 --> 00:18:19,224 Speaker 3: she is, you know, back in and receiving some treatment. 373 00:18:19,344 --> 00:18:20,944 Speaker 1: So I kind of like that. 374 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:23,944 Speaker 3: Celebrities have the power a little bit more than paparazzi 375 00:18:23,984 --> 00:18:26,744 Speaker 3: do now even though they are still stalked by them. 376 00:18:26,784 --> 00:18:28,984 Speaker 3: And we actually have an article on side at Mamma 377 00:18:29,024 --> 00:18:31,904 Speaker 3: mia dot com today you written by an anonymous, very 378 00:18:31,904 --> 00:18:34,264 Speaker 3: famous celebrity who we cannot tell you their name. 379 00:18:34,384 --> 00:18:36,984 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's from a few years ago. 380 00:18:37,064 --> 00:18:39,424 Speaker 3: But they explain exactly what it's like to be stalked 381 00:18:39,464 --> 00:18:42,704 Speaker 3: by paparazzi. And they talk explicitly about being followed to 382 00:18:42,784 --> 00:18:46,904 Speaker 3: the doctor's office or like to their kids' schools or 383 00:18:46,944 --> 00:18:49,144 Speaker 3: like it's really personal. It's not like they see them 384 00:18:49,144 --> 00:18:51,224 Speaker 3: out and about when they're you know, doing a press 385 00:18:51,304 --> 00:18:53,464 Speaker 3: to her. This is literally like them getting up in 386 00:18:53,464 --> 00:18:55,344 Speaker 3: the morning going, oh, I've got a doctor's appointment at ten, 387 00:18:55,384 --> 00:18:58,504 Speaker 3: and then someone literally follows behind them and stands outside 388 00:18:58,584 --> 00:19:02,944 Speaker 3: and then this anonymous celebrity person said they will take 389 00:19:02,944 --> 00:19:06,104 Speaker 3: a photo of that person outside of that doctor's office 390 00:19:06,304 --> 00:19:09,824 Speaker 3: and then write some awful story about their weight issues 391 00:19:10,024 --> 00:19:13,944 Speaker 3: or eating disorder, whatever they might see from that one picture, 392 00:19:13,984 --> 00:19:15,624 Speaker 3: and they're like, it could just be that I got 393 00:19:15,704 --> 00:19:17,384 Speaker 3: up and just chuck some trackies on and didn't do 394 00:19:17,424 --> 00:19:19,824 Speaker 3: my hair that day, like it's and they now have 395 00:19:19,904 --> 00:19:22,784 Speaker 3: the power to kind of go, that's not what's happening, guys, 396 00:19:22,864 --> 00:19:25,744 Speaker 3: this is for real, what's happening to my actual health, 397 00:19:25,784 --> 00:19:28,384 Speaker 3: which kind of feels gross and a little bit too much, 398 00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:30,224 Speaker 3: but at the same time, I'm kind of happy for 399 00:19:30,264 --> 00:19:31,984 Speaker 3: them to have that ability to do that. 400 00:19:32,064 --> 00:19:32,304 Speaker 1: Now. 401 00:19:32,544 --> 00:19:35,224 Speaker 2: You're right, that article really shows exactly I guess what 402 00:19:35,224 --> 00:19:37,344 Speaker 2: we're seeing right now with all the celebrities having to 403 00:19:37,384 --> 00:19:41,544 Speaker 2: declare the health problems. I highly recommend everyone to read that. 404 00:19:41,584 --> 00:19:44,224 Speaker 2: We will link that article in our show notes. Thank 405 00:19:44,264 --> 00:19:46,504 Speaker 2: you so much for listening to The Spill today. My 406 00:19:46,544 --> 00:19:49,904 Speaker 2: co host today Clam Murphy is actually really, really smart. 407 00:19:50,784 --> 00:19:53,584 Speaker 2: She hosts Mom and Me is daily news podcast The 408 00:19:53,704 --> 00:19:56,784 Speaker 2: Quickie clamor what is on today's episode. 409 00:19:57,184 --> 00:19:58,304 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. 410 00:19:58,424 --> 00:20:01,464 Speaker 3: I did not know much about this influencer, Kat Torrence. 411 00:20:01,864 --> 00:20:05,904 Speaker 3: She amassed a huge following after she was a model 412 00:20:05,984 --> 00:20:08,744 Speaker 3: and like hung out with Leo DiCaprio as they all do, 413 00:20:08,904 --> 00:20:12,864 Speaker 3: and she turned into that following into like a hardcore 414 00:20:13,104 --> 00:20:16,144 Speaker 3: cult and is now in jail in Brazil. But I'll 415 00:20:16,144 --> 00:20:18,104 Speaker 3: take you through the whole story from start to finish. 416 00:20:18,144 --> 00:20:20,184 Speaker 3: And then we speak to an expert who's a cult 417 00:20:20,264 --> 00:20:24,424 Speaker 3: deprogrammer about how women get sucked into these things and 418 00:20:24,504 --> 00:20:28,744 Speaker 3: also life coaching is basically like an MLM, so like 419 00:20:28,944 --> 00:20:31,304 Speaker 3: there's red flags all over it, but he explains how 420 00:20:31,304 --> 00:20:33,104 Speaker 3: to look out for them and what it takes to 421 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:34,944 Speaker 3: get out of them too, which is huge. 422 00:20:35,184 --> 00:20:37,584 Speaker 2: Oh my god. We will link that episode in our 423 00:20:37,624 --> 00:20:39,384 Speaker 2: show notes. We will see you back here in your 424 00:20:39,424 --> 00:20:41,664 Speaker 2: podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 425 00:20:42,024 --> 00:20:48,864 Speaker 1: Bye bye.