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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast. The Quickie. Katie Perry has made history as

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Speaker 2: part of the first all female crew to head to

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Speaker 2: this happen? And what do they do now? Before we

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Speaker 2: get there? He is Clare Murphy with the latest from

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Speaker 2: The Quickie newsroom for Wednesday, April.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen, Thanks Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our second leader's debate will be held between Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: and Then ow Up and Easy and Opposition Leader Peter

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Speaker 1: The coalition will announce a six million dollar investment into

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Speaker 1: the Ilana and Madeline Foundation if they are elected. The

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Speaker 1: foundation providing learning and teaching materials and digital and media

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Speaker 1: literacy skills for children aged four to sixteen, mister Dutton

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Speaker 1: saying we need to ensure that parents and children are

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Speaker 1: equipped with the knowledge and skills that will help them

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Speaker 1: safely navigate the online world. Tonight's debate will be hosted

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Speaker 1: by the ABC, with two more to be hosted by

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Speaker 1: the nine and seven networks closer to the election on

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Speaker 1: May three. Ozsi's are choosing not to travel to the US.

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Speaker 1: With a dropping Australian dollar and President Donald Trump being

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Speaker 1: blamed for the slump in US ossie tourism, nearly seventy

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Speaker 1: compared to the corresponding period twelve months ago, the country

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Speaker 1: sliding to seventh on the list of preferred destinations, the

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Speaker 1: been in the top five. Kim Kardashian will testify in

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Speaker 1: was in France for Paris Fashion Week in October twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: charges a judi faced trial in Paris from April twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: The prosecutors in Harvey Weinstein's New York rape retrial may

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Speaker 1: New York's highest court last year overturned his twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Thanks Clant Next, making history in space, Katie Perry once

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Speaker 2: audience editor Charlie Beg to unpack this historic moment. Charlie,

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Speaker 2: Katie Perry she's an international pop star, a self proclaimed

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Speaker 4: She is I hope she was going to sing et.

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Speaker 5: Extraterrestrial absolutely makes sense, right, And she said as she

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Speaker 4: It's not about seeing my songs. It's about a collective

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Speaker 4: She sang, what a wonderful world.

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Speaker 4: She also when she got to the ground, she had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of them did that. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: So the reaction's been really mixed, which isn't surprising. Yesterday morning,

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Speaker 4: Are we supposed to praise them because they sat in

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I can understand the argument for wanting

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Speaker 4: Hope core is an emerging kind of online aesthetic characterized

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally is. I mean, they're also not the first

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Speaker 2: to the bottom of. There's a lot of different numbers

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Speaker 2: flying around the Internet, Charlie, I know about you, but

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Speaker 2: I've seen things like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: then sometimes there's numbers like five hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of money to invest in what is

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Speaker 4: So Blue Origin declined to say how much the flight

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Speaker 4: certain that in twenty twenty one, Blue Origin actually auctioned

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Speaker 4: William Shatner was actually going up to space with them.

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Speaker 2: So unless you are uber wealthy or a famous celebrity,

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Speaker 4: So from my understanding is this does mark the future

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Speaker 4: From the research I've been doing, Virgin Galactic has eight

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Speaker 2: That feels weirdly somewhat more accessible Alien Bucks.

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Speaker 4: Then Blue Origin definitely. But then on the other hand,

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk space X the flights reportedly cost around eighty

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Speaker 2: What's this is like an on board meal? Is that

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Speaker 4: Bloodybell hope. So, but I found this so interesting I

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Speaker 4: went down a bit of a rabbit hole. There is

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Speaker 4: this new Florida based company called Space Perspective, and they

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Speaker 4: offer people to go up thirty kilometers above the Earth

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Speaker 4: and basically look down. It'd be incredible to see. And

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Speaker 4: if you think about it, it's like a giant hot

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Speaker 4: air balloon and there's the balloon up the top and

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Speaker 4: down the very bottom where you would be in kind

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Speaker 4: of that woven basket. Instead it's kind of a bauble

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Speaker 4: and you're inside of it. Oh so there's all these

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Speaker 4: seats and you're up there for six hours looking over Earth,

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Speaker 4: and it includes food, drink, Wi Fi and there are

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Speaker 4: and ninety thousand aud.

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Speaker 2: Look, the price is coming down, but might I suggest

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Speaker 2: a catastrophic mix up at a Brisbane IVF clinic. Bierra

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Speaker 2: was only discovered in February this year when the genetic

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Speaker 2: parents try to transfer their remaining frozen embryos to another provider,

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Speaker 2: but the baby in question was born to another woman

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. It's left both families in an

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Speaker 2: impossible situation and raise serious questions about safeguards in Australia's

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Speaker 2: fertility industry. Doctor Devora Lieberman is the medical director at

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Speaker 2: City Fertility Clinic. Doctor Lieberman, can you walk us through

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Speaker 2: what's actually happened in this particular case.

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Speaker 3: We don't know all of the details of what happened

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Speaker 3: and we're waiting for the outcome of the independent investigation.

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Speaker 3: And I think every IVF clinic in Australian around the

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Speaker 3: that we can prevent such a catastrophe from happening again.

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Speaker 3: We know that this is a very rare occurrence. We've

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Speaker 3: been doing IVF for over thirty years in Australia and

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Speaker 3: this has never happened. In general, I think we do

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Speaker 2: What happens now though this baby was born last year,

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Speaker 2: it's at least a few months old. Is there a

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Speaker 2: chance that this woman would have to give the baby

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Speaker 3: This is a very very unsure area in Australian law,

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Speaker 3: never been tested before. In Australia. The woman who gives

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Speaker 3: birth to the baby is the mother the legal mother.

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Speaker 3: So in surrogacy cases, for example, were the surrogate gives birth,

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Speaker 3: there has to be a parenting order to transfer parenthood

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Speaker 3: from the surrogate to the genetic parents. So it's really

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Speaker 3: not clear what will happen in this case. There was

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Speaker 3: a case a few years ago in the US in

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Speaker 3: genetic parents took custody of the baby.

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Speaker 2: I know that we don't know all the details here.

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Speaker 2: We're still waiting, like you said, for that investigation to happen.

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Speaker 2: But as somebody who works in this field, can you

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Speaker 2: typically looks like? Is it that thing of there's just

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Speaker 2: giant freezers we've labeled frozen embryos and it gets taken

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Speaker 2: out and put into a person's body, Like, how does

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Speaker 2: it work? And where could this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, every patient and every couple will have unique identifiers,

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Speaker 3: so we have not only named dead and birth address,

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Speaker 3: they will get a specific clinic code. I believe most

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Speaker 3: clinics in Australia now would be using radio frequency ID systems,

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Speaker 3: so there's name, other demographic data plus a barcode. So

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Speaker 3: when we have when we're doing an egg collection, the

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Speaker 3: that dish belongs to that patient. Same with sperm. The

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Speaker 3: sperm gets a barcode. We would only ever have one

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Speaker 3: person or one pulls eggs and sperm together at a time,

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Speaker 3: so we don't have multiple patients occupying space. When we

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Speaker 3: create embryos, we have two factor identification at all times

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Speaker 3: with the two scientists plus the RFID the radio frequency ID,

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Speaker 3: so you actually have three factor identification. And then the

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Speaker 3: embryos are stored Inbercomm straws, but they also have the barcode.

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Speaker 3: They've got tags and barcodes, so scientists when the MBOs

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Speaker 3: come out of the tank plus the RFID.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like there are a lot of in steps and

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Speaker 2: into a hopeful expectant parent. So when people are reading

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Speaker 2: it's the first time we've seen something like this in Australia,

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Speaker 2: they're stress and anxiety and maybe fear around accessing and

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Speaker 2: using the services through fertility treatment that should be quite low.

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Speaker 3: Right, Absolutely, time has told us that this is highly

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Speaker 3: unlikely event. In Australia, we operate under a code of

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Speaker 3: do not meet our targets or milestones, our license to

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Speaker 3: practice is removed. So I think the fact that we

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Speaker 3: have such high success rates overall in Australia, such a

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Speaker 3: reassuring IVF system in Australia.

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Speaker 2: So with something like not only mixing up people's data

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Speaker 2: and genetic material, but getting to a stage where a

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Speaker 2: to a baby that's genetically not theirs, is that something

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Speaker 2: that would potentially have a license revoked.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure that there will be an investigation and

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Speaker 3: to it, that will be a determination for the crediting body.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano

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Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill