1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,334 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma Mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,094 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,894 --> 00:00:25,054 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily 5 00:00:25,094 --> 00:00:28,734 Speaker 3: news podcast, The Quickie. What happens when the world's most 6 00:00:28,734 --> 00:00:33,774 Speaker 3: powerful leaders are caught daydreaming about immortality. This week, a 7 00:00:33,854 --> 00:00:36,694 Speaker 3: hot mic picked up Russian President of Vladimir Putin and 8 00:00:36,774 --> 00:00:41,974 Speaker 3: China's Jijingping musing about biotech, organ transplants and living to 9 00:00:42,214 --> 00:00:47,294 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty? But is eternal life actually possible? Plus, 10 00:00:47,654 --> 00:00:51,174 Speaker 3: is your friendship group hiding a psychopath? Research says there's 11 00:00:51,254 --> 00:00:54,574 Speaker 3: one in every circle. We'll run through the subtle signs 12 00:00:54,654 --> 00:00:57,814 Speaker 3: and why even the fun friend might leave you doubting 13 00:00:57,854 --> 00:01:01,734 Speaker 3: yourself and your relationships. Before we get there, here's Claire 14 00:01:01,814 --> 00:01:05,694 Speaker 3: Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom for Friday, September. 15 00:01:05,214 --> 00:01:09,774 Speaker 2: Five, Thanks Taylor. Iconic fashion designer Giorgio Amani, who's the 16 00:01:09,814 --> 00:01:12,974 Speaker 2: top Hollywood stars for decades, has died aged ninety one. 17 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:16,534 Speaker 2: Armani was more than a fashion designer. He started off 18 00:01:16,534 --> 00:01:20,374 Speaker 2: studying medicine before shifting into fashion. The Armani label, created 19 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:23,574 Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, becoming quickly known for luxury men's 20 00:01:23,614 --> 00:01:26,574 Speaker 2: and women's wear. It became a household name after dressing 21 00:01:26,694 --> 00:01:29,654 Speaker 2: Richard Gear in the movie American Jigglow, putting them at 22 00:01:29,654 --> 00:01:33,214 Speaker 2: the forefront of the eighties power dressing trend. Julia Roberts, 23 00:01:33,214 --> 00:01:35,614 Speaker 2: who famously wore an Armani suit on the red carpet 24 00:01:35,614 --> 00:01:38,454 Speaker 2: of the nineteen ninety Golden Globes, posted a picture of 25 00:01:38,454 --> 00:01:40,974 Speaker 2: the two of them together with a broken heart emoji. 26 00:01:41,174 --> 00:01:44,214 Speaker 2: Amani was known to be meticulous about the details, from 27 00:01:44,214 --> 00:01:46,974 Speaker 2: the biggest picture parts of the business down to fixing 28 00:01:47,014 --> 00:01:49,534 Speaker 2: a model's hair before she stepped out onto the runway. 29 00:01:49,894 --> 00:01:53,094 Speaker 2: He also expanded the business empire to include bars, clubs, 30 00:01:53,094 --> 00:01:56,814 Speaker 2: and restaurants, even his own basketball team. Il Signor Amani, 31 00:01:56,854 --> 00:01:58,614 Speaker 2: as he was known to those who worked for him, 32 00:01:58,974 --> 00:02:02,254 Speaker 2: was becoming increasingly ill in recent months, missing an Amani 33 00:02:02,294 --> 00:02:04,654 Speaker 2: catwalk show for the first time in his career. Back 34 00:02:04,694 --> 00:02:07,134 Speaker 2: in June, the company that he founded and led for 35 00:02:07,214 --> 00:02:10,694 Speaker 2: fifty years released to statement saying with infinite sorrow, the 36 00:02:10,734 --> 00:02:14,054 Speaker 2: Amani Group announces the passing of its creator, founder, and 37 00:02:14,214 --> 00:02:17,614 Speaker 2: tireless driving force. They said the designer died at home 38 00:02:17,694 --> 00:02:20,694 Speaker 2: peacefully and surrounded by his loved ones. They say he'd 39 00:02:20,734 --> 00:02:24,014 Speaker 2: worked until his final days, dedicating himself to the company, 40 00:02:24,054 --> 00:02:27,614 Speaker 2: collections and future projects. They explained his wishes to have 41 00:02:27,694 --> 00:02:30,334 Speaker 2: his funeral chambers set up and open tomorrow and Sunday 42 00:02:30,334 --> 00:02:34,334 Speaker 2: in Milan before a private funeral. The colleagues of Foreign 43 00:02:34,414 --> 00:02:37,214 Speaker 2: Police Officers Senior Constable of Adam de Wart hot Hut 44 00:02:37,374 --> 00:02:39,814 Speaker 2: will form a guard of honor today as his farewell 45 00:02:39,894 --> 00:02:42,614 Speaker 2: by friends and family. The thirty five year old was 46 00:02:42,654 --> 00:02:44,894 Speaker 2: one of two officers gunned down at a poor punker 47 00:02:44,894 --> 00:02:47,814 Speaker 2: property last month as he attempted to serve a warrant 48 00:02:47,894 --> 00:02:51,374 Speaker 2: to self proclaimed sovereign citizen Desi Freeman, who remains on 49 00:02:51,414 --> 00:02:54,094 Speaker 2: the run in the Victorian high Country. De Ward hot 50 00:02:54,174 --> 00:02:57,094 Speaker 2: Hut was on temporary assignment in Wangarata from his role 51 00:02:57,094 --> 00:03:00,254 Speaker 2: in the Public Order Response Team. He was born in Belgium, 52 00:03:00,294 --> 00:03:03,214 Speaker 2: the avid traveler, deciding to move to Australia to pursue 53 00:03:03,214 --> 00:03:06,174 Speaker 2: his career in law enforcement. His funeral will be held 54 00:03:06,214 --> 00:03:08,974 Speaker 2: at the Victorian Police Academy in Melbourne's East, where his 55 00:03:09,054 --> 00:03:12,214 Speaker 2: career began seven years ago. The Police Air Wing will 56 00:03:12,214 --> 00:03:15,494 Speaker 2: perform a flyover as his colleagues line the surrounding streets 57 00:03:15,694 --> 00:03:18,894 Speaker 2: and pay their respects. Following the service, his colleague, who 58 00:03:19,014 --> 00:03:21,334 Speaker 2: was also shot and killed in the Poor Punker incident, 59 00:03:21,414 --> 00:03:25,014 Speaker 2: Detective Leading Senior Constable Neil Thompson, will be farewelled with 60 00:03:25,054 --> 00:03:28,614 Speaker 2: full honors on Monday. Both funerals are private and members 61 00:03:28,614 --> 00:03:31,814 Speaker 2: of the public have been asked not to attend. Prime 62 00:03:31,854 --> 00:03:34,654 Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Alberizi has had a phone call with President 63 00:03:34,694 --> 00:03:38,694 Speaker 2: Donald Trump to discuss trade and critical minerals. Albernizi said 64 00:03:38,694 --> 00:03:41,814 Speaker 2: the call was warm and constructive, explaining that they discussed 65 00:03:41,854 --> 00:03:45,614 Speaker 2: both countries trade and economic relationships, as well as areas 66 00:03:45,614 --> 00:03:49,854 Speaker 2: for growth and shared US Australia security interests. Mister Alberinzi 67 00:03:49,934 --> 00:03:52,734 Speaker 2: has yet to secure a face to face conversation with Trump, 68 00:03:52,934 --> 00:03:54,654 Speaker 2: who he was supposed to catch up with at the 69 00:03:54,694 --> 00:03:57,654 Speaker 2: G seven summit before it was canceled when Trump left 70 00:03:57,694 --> 00:04:00,854 Speaker 2: to return to the US early. The Princess of Wales 71 00:04:00,894 --> 00:04:03,934 Speaker 2: has ended the speculation about her hair color, stepping out 72 00:04:03,974 --> 00:04:07,454 Speaker 2: with husband Prince William and her newly blonde locks. The 73 00:04:07,494 --> 00:04:10,174 Speaker 2: Princess had been spotted traveling in a car last month, 74 00:04:10,214 --> 00:04:12,654 Speaker 2: where her hair did seem to be much lighter, but 75 00:04:12,734 --> 00:04:16,134 Speaker 2: she's now spent some time visiting the Natural History Museum gardens, 76 00:04:16,134 --> 00:04:19,094 Speaker 2: with her usual chestnut maine looking a fresh shade of 77 00:04:19,174 --> 00:04:22,054 Speaker 2: dark blonde. Some sources are claiming the lighter tone is 78 00:04:22,134 --> 00:04:24,414 Speaker 2: due to her spending a significant amount of time in 79 00:04:24,454 --> 00:04:27,414 Speaker 2: the sun during her recent vacation in Greece, saying the 80 00:04:27,414 --> 00:04:30,854 Speaker 2: result is naturally lighter, but others are speculating whether the 81 00:04:30,854 --> 00:04:33,774 Speaker 2: princess is in fact wearing a wig. Catherine having spent 82 00:04:33,854 --> 00:04:37,174 Speaker 2: much of last year undergoing treatment for an unspecified cancer. 83 00:04:37,574 --> 00:04:45,974 Speaker 3: Thanks Claire next. Can humans really live forever? It was 84 00:04:46,054 --> 00:04:49,494 Speaker 3: the Veronicas who once said, come on, baby, we ain't 85 00:04:49,534 --> 00:04:53,374 Speaker 3: gonna live forever. But if you ask the leaders of 86 00:04:53,454 --> 00:04:58,774 Speaker 3: Russia and China, they're singing a different tune. An extraordinary 87 00:04:58,814 --> 00:05:01,654 Speaker 3: hot mic moment at a military parade in Beijing saw 88 00:05:01,734 --> 00:05:06,694 Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin and Jijingpin caught musing about organ transplants and immortality. 89 00:05:07,454 --> 00:05:11,054 Speaker 3: In the recording, Putin's interpreter blains that human organs can 90 00:05:11,134 --> 00:05:14,854 Speaker 3: be continuously transplanted, that the longer you live, the younger 91 00:05:14,894 --> 00:05:19,374 Speaker 3: you become, and you can even achieve immortality. She responded 92 00:05:19,414 --> 00:05:22,654 Speaker 3: predicting humans may live to one hundred and fifty years 93 00:05:22,694 --> 00:05:26,334 Speaker 3: old in this century. The fascination with longevity runs deep 94 00:05:26,374 --> 00:05:30,054 Speaker 3: in both countries. Putin has poured millions into cutting edge 95 00:05:30,094 --> 00:05:34,334 Speaker 3: aging research, genetic engineering, and lab grown organ tech. His 96 00:05:34,414 --> 00:05:39,494 Speaker 3: own daughter leads government funded longevity projects worth billions. In China, 97 00:05:39,614 --> 00:05:43,014 Speaker 3: biotech and anti aging labs are booming, and G's abolition 98 00:05:43,094 --> 00:05:46,294 Speaker 3: of presidential term limits suggests he's not planning to bow 99 00:05:46,334 --> 00:05:49,894 Speaker 3: out anytime soon. They're not the only ones obsessed with 100 00:05:49,974 --> 00:05:54,214 Speaker 3: extending human life. From the Kardashians to biohacking bros. The 101 00:05:54,254 --> 00:05:57,774 Speaker 3: idea of longevity has captured audiences across the globe. 102 00:05:58,734 --> 00:06:01,934 Speaker 1: Tonight, my mom, Kimberly and I we're going to go 103 00:06:02,014 --> 00:06:05,694 Speaker 1: have dinner with Brian Johnson. He's like the most well 104 00:06:05,734 --> 00:06:11,854 Speaker 1: known longevity specialists, and I'm so excited. Motivation behind learning 105 00:06:12,014 --> 00:06:15,734 Speaker 1: so much about longevity is just I pray and hope 106 00:06:15,734 --> 00:06:19,014 Speaker 1: that from my kids. I'm as mentally with it as 107 00:06:19,054 --> 00:06:21,054 Speaker 1: passable for as long as passable. 108 00:06:21,454 --> 00:06:24,694 Speaker 3: But could any of this actually work? From organ printing 109 00:06:24,814 --> 00:06:28,134 Speaker 3: to sel renewal, humans have made strides in extending health 110 00:06:28,174 --> 00:06:31,654 Speaker 3: and longevity, but immortality still sits in the realm of 111 00:06:31,694 --> 00:06:36,414 Speaker 3: science fiction research into anti aging is real. Think genetic tweaking, 112 00:06:36,574 --> 00:06:39,774 Speaker 3: lab grown tissues, new drugs, but living to one hundred 113 00:06:39,814 --> 00:06:43,774 Speaker 3: and fifty that's massively optimistic, and the social, ethical, and 114 00:06:43,854 --> 00:06:48,494 Speaker 3: biological hurdles are enormous. So is forever in our future 115 00:06:48,854 --> 00:06:51,374 Speaker 3: to find out what's truly possible. We're joined by doctor 116 00:06:51,414 --> 00:06:54,214 Speaker 3: Lindsay Wou from the University of New South Wales Laboratory 117 00:06:54,254 --> 00:06:57,814 Speaker 3: of Aging Research. Lindsay roughly, how long are humans living 118 00:06:57,854 --> 00:06:58,694 Speaker 3: for at the moment? 119 00:06:59,094 --> 00:07:00,934 Speaker 4: Yeah, so we're doing pretty well. Australia is one of 120 00:07:00,974 --> 00:07:03,334 Speaker 4: the longest lived countries in the world. Women live at 121 00:07:03,334 --> 00:07:06,654 Speaker 4: about eighty four years of age, men about eighty two, 122 00:07:06,974 --> 00:07:08,694 Speaker 4: and that's been continually rising. 123 00:07:08,974 --> 00:07:12,054 Speaker 3: What kind of seismic shifts would actually need to happen 124 00:07:12,094 --> 00:07:14,934 Speaker 3: to boost our chances of something like immortality? 125 00:07:15,334 --> 00:07:16,094 Speaker 5: Yeah, good question. 126 00:07:16,134 --> 00:07:18,494 Speaker 4: So look, the increases in lifespan that we've seen at 127 00:07:18,494 --> 00:07:21,174 Speaker 4: the moment have been largely due to us just becoming richer. 128 00:07:21,574 --> 00:07:23,374 Speaker 5: We can afford excellent healthcare. 129 00:07:23,654 --> 00:07:25,694 Speaker 4: People are taking care of themselves throughout their life, but 130 00:07:25,694 --> 00:07:28,614 Speaker 4: we're not actually addressing the biology of aging, which is 131 00:07:28,614 --> 00:07:31,334 Speaker 4: what many basic scientists like myself are trying to do. 132 00:07:31,694 --> 00:07:33,894 Speaker 4: You know, there are some drugs at the moment in 133 00:07:33,934 --> 00:07:37,294 Speaker 4: the lab that extend the lifespan of animals quite significantly 134 00:07:37,414 --> 00:07:40,614 Speaker 4: thirty forty percent. We aren't really looking at immortality in 135 00:07:40,694 --> 00:07:44,054 Speaker 4: any lab experiments yet, but there are some animals in 136 00:07:44,094 --> 00:07:47,214 Speaker 4: which this is kind of possible, in which it does exist. 137 00:07:47,374 --> 00:07:49,694 Speaker 4: You know, there are some weird jellyfish species which can 138 00:07:49,734 --> 00:07:52,214 Speaker 4: reverse their entire life cycle. They can go from a 139 00:07:52,254 --> 00:07:54,414 Speaker 4: polyp sitting on a rock to a jellyfish, back to 140 00:07:54,454 --> 00:07:55,534 Speaker 4: a polyp and then repeat. 141 00:07:55,814 --> 00:07:58,094 Speaker 3: Sure that sounds horrific, but. 142 00:07:59,974 --> 00:08:00,734 Speaker 5: No jellyfish. 143 00:08:01,054 --> 00:08:03,134 Speaker 3: No. Can we break down some of the things that 144 00:08:03,334 --> 00:08:07,174 Speaker 3: we have heard Putin and Jijingping discussing of late, starting 145 00:08:07,294 --> 00:08:10,374 Speaker 3: with the Russian leaders claim that we can care continuously 146 00:08:10,414 --> 00:08:14,614 Speaker 3: transplant organs. Now I have no medical training or science 147 00:08:14,654 --> 00:08:16,894 Speaker 3: training for that matter, but to me that doesn't sound 148 00:08:16,934 --> 00:08:18,774 Speaker 3: like a good idea. Can you shed some more light 149 00:08:18,814 --> 00:08:19,094 Speaker 3: on it? 150 00:08:19,254 --> 00:08:22,094 Speaker 4: What it's probably referring to is this aspiration that many 151 00:08:22,094 --> 00:08:25,334 Speaker 4: scientists have, which is the ability to replace damaged organs 152 00:08:25,374 --> 00:08:28,494 Speaker 4: that have grown outside the body. Some organs can regrow 153 00:08:28,574 --> 00:08:30,614 Speaker 4: quite well. For example, a liver. You can chop out 154 00:08:30,614 --> 00:08:32,694 Speaker 4: half a liver and it will grow back, which is great, 155 00:08:32,734 --> 00:08:35,014 Speaker 4: but most organs can't be replaced. 156 00:08:35,374 --> 00:08:36,814 Speaker 5: There are some efforts to. 157 00:08:36,574 --> 00:08:39,694 Speaker 4: Regrow those organs within the body. So, for example, there 158 00:08:39,734 --> 00:08:42,654 Speaker 4: are some efforts to regrow optic nerve. If you crush 159 00:08:42,734 --> 00:08:45,774 Speaker 4: the nerve at the back of the eye, those nerves 160 00:08:45,814 --> 00:08:46,494 Speaker 4: don't regrow. 161 00:08:46,614 --> 00:08:47,894 Speaker 5: There's nothing you can do about it. 162 00:08:48,134 --> 00:08:51,054 Speaker 4: And there is some pre clinical work so experiments in 163 00:08:51,134 --> 00:08:54,814 Speaker 4: mice and in monkeys showing the ability to regrow that nerve, 164 00:08:54,854 --> 00:08:57,814 Speaker 4: which is super exciting. It's potentially a cure for blindness. 165 00:08:57,854 --> 00:09:01,014 Speaker 4: Now that involves what it's called in vivo reprogramming, so 166 00:09:01,094 --> 00:09:04,174 Speaker 4: you reprogram the DNA to go back to the embryonic 167 00:09:04,214 --> 00:09:07,374 Speaker 4: state and then regrow that tissue. Now, it's a very 168 00:09:07,414 --> 00:09:09,854 Speaker 4: risky but high reward strategy. And you know what he's 169 00:09:09,894 --> 00:09:11,934 Speaker 4: probably referring to is the idea that you could do 170 00:09:12,054 --> 00:09:14,854 Speaker 4: this on a personalized basis for entire organs. 171 00:09:15,334 --> 00:09:19,054 Speaker 3: Okay, because when I heard Putin say that, my immediate 172 00:09:19,054 --> 00:09:23,134 Speaker 3: thought was, we transplant lungs into somebody from an organ 173 00:09:23,174 --> 00:09:25,694 Speaker 3: donor who's passed away, and then when that person passes away, 174 00:09:25,734 --> 00:09:27,694 Speaker 3: we take those lungs and give them to another person. 175 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,134 Speaker 3: And that's not what you're saying. 176 00:09:29,374 --> 00:09:31,254 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a few reasons that wouldn't work. 177 00:09:31,294 --> 00:09:34,774 Speaker 4: One is immune rejections, so people who do receive organ 178 00:09:34,814 --> 00:09:38,174 Speaker 4: transplants have to be on immunisuppressants their entire lives. But 179 00:09:38,294 --> 00:09:40,574 Speaker 4: just to throw out some fun little ideas, there are 180 00:09:40,614 --> 00:09:43,934 Speaker 4: these case studies of extremely long lived organs that have 181 00:09:44,014 --> 00:09:47,494 Speaker 4: been donated from an old person gone into a young person, 182 00:09:47,614 --> 00:09:49,414 Speaker 4: and that young person has lived a full life. So 183 00:09:49,494 --> 00:09:51,534 Speaker 4: you know, there are kidneys flirting around that are like 184 00:09:51,534 --> 00:09:53,454 Speaker 4: one hundred years old. But no, I don't think that's 185 00:09:53,494 --> 00:09:55,174 Speaker 4: what he was referring to, or if he is, he's 186 00:09:55,214 --> 00:09:57,894 Speaker 4: off track, or having said that, because it is Vladimir Putin, 187 00:09:57,894 --> 00:09:59,294 Speaker 4: I would strongly encourage. 188 00:09:59,014 --> 00:09:59,494 Speaker 5: Him to do that. 189 00:09:59,814 --> 00:10:02,094 Speaker 3: And then what about hu Jinping? He say that they 190 00:10:02,174 --> 00:10:04,454 Speaker 3: predict that this century humans may live up to one 191 00:10:04,534 --> 00:10:07,254 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years old. How is that possible? 192 00:10:07,654 --> 00:10:09,854 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean putting a number on how long people 193 00:10:09,854 --> 00:10:12,614 Speaker 4: could live always gets you into trouble, So I would 194 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:14,734 Speaker 4: never put any prediction on that. But the idea is 195 00:10:14,734 --> 00:10:18,694 Speaker 4: that there are some interventions which are available in the 196 00:10:18,774 --> 00:10:22,654 Speaker 4: lab and extend the lifespan of animals, you know, significantly. 197 00:10:22,694 --> 00:10:24,934 Speaker 5: As I was saying thirty or forty percent. Whether they'll 198 00:10:24,934 --> 00:10:27,214 Speaker 5: work in humans is the big question. 199 00:10:27,294 --> 00:10:29,934 Speaker 4: It's the problem is it's the longest and most expensive 200 00:10:29,934 --> 00:10:32,414 Speaker 4: clinical trial you could ever run, So we just don't 201 00:10:32,454 --> 00:10:34,494 Speaker 4: know if they're going to work in humans for now. 202 00:10:34,574 --> 00:10:37,774 Speaker 4: What we're kind of excited about is interventions that improve 203 00:10:37,854 --> 00:10:40,454 Speaker 4: health in old age because we can measure those things. 204 00:10:40,774 --> 00:10:42,894 Speaker 4: But having said that, when we use those interventions in 205 00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:45,454 Speaker 4: the lab, we always see an extension in the lifespan. 206 00:10:45,494 --> 00:10:47,014 Speaker 5: You know, you don't see one without the other. 207 00:10:47,614 --> 00:10:50,934 Speaker 3: I guess as well, there's also this ethical implication of 208 00:10:50,934 --> 00:10:53,814 Speaker 3: people living longer, Right we talk about things like housing 209 00:10:53,894 --> 00:10:56,374 Speaker 3: and food and the impact that it'll have on the environment. 210 00:10:56,454 --> 00:10:58,534 Speaker 3: Is that something that also needs to be taken into 211 00:10:58,534 --> 00:11:01,694 Speaker 3: consideration whenever we do research this kind of thing in 212 00:11:01,694 --> 00:11:02,094 Speaker 3: the lab. 213 00:11:02,814 --> 00:11:04,494 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not too worried about that. I think the 214 00:11:04,494 --> 00:11:07,014 Speaker 4: biggest challenge we have is actually under population. We've got 215 00:11:07,014 --> 00:11:10,014 Speaker 4: a shrinking population. People just aren't having kids anymore. But 216 00:11:10,094 --> 00:11:12,374 Speaker 4: to think about one of the applications of aging research 217 00:11:12,414 --> 00:11:14,254 Speaker 4: when it comes to that, one of the biggest problems 218 00:11:14,254 --> 00:11:16,294 Speaker 4: we face, I said, is a shrinking population because of 219 00:11:16,334 --> 00:11:20,694 Speaker 4: age related infertility. So female fertility declines at a very 220 00:11:20,854 --> 00:11:23,654 Speaker 4: very young age when women are otherwise in perfect physical health. 221 00:11:23,694 --> 00:11:26,494 Speaker 4: So late thirties, early forties, women are very fit at 222 00:11:26,494 --> 00:11:29,454 Speaker 4: that age, and yet you have this reproductive aging and infertility. 223 00:11:29,534 --> 00:11:32,374 Speaker 5: The same interventions that are being used to extend lifespan 224 00:11:32,454 --> 00:11:35,374 Speaker 5: and delay aging could also be used to improve fertility 225 00:11:35,454 --> 00:11:38,254 Speaker 5: or extend reproductive life. In terms of the shortage of housing, 226 00:11:38,294 --> 00:11:40,094 Speaker 5: we just need to build more housing in this country 227 00:11:40,134 --> 00:11:43,134 Speaker 5: and many other countries. We have stupid regulations that prevent that. 228 00:11:43,254 --> 00:11:45,854 Speaker 5: But no, I'm not too worried about ethical implications. 229 00:11:45,934 --> 00:11:48,694 Speaker 3: Okay, final one for you. Then, So say, in an 230 00:11:48,734 --> 00:11:51,534 Speaker 3: alternate universe, or maybe a universe that's actually not too 231 00:11:51,654 --> 00:11:54,614 Speaker 3: far off, Putin and Jijinping are really onto something here. 232 00:11:54,694 --> 00:11:57,174 Speaker 3: They've cracked the code. There's this magical pill that's going 233 00:11:57,214 --> 00:12:00,094 Speaker 3: to make us live for an extra fifty odd years. 234 00:12:00,414 --> 00:12:02,534 Speaker 3: I imagine if and when that kind of thing comes 235 00:12:02,574 --> 00:12:05,854 Speaker 3: into place that it'll probably be quite costly, and maybe 236 00:12:05,894 --> 00:12:08,774 Speaker 3: in the early days, reserved for certain types of people. 237 00:12:09,774 --> 00:12:12,254 Speaker 3: For the rest of us plubs. In the meantime, what 238 00:12:12,294 --> 00:12:14,214 Speaker 3: would you suggest that we do to ensure that we 239 00:12:14,254 --> 00:12:16,934 Speaker 3: live as long and as healthy a life as possible. 240 00:12:16,974 --> 00:12:17,334 Speaker 3: For now. 241 00:12:17,974 --> 00:12:19,454 Speaker 4: I know you want me to jump straight to the 242 00:12:19,454 --> 00:12:21,214 Speaker 4: answer of what people can do for their health now, 243 00:12:21,254 --> 00:12:23,654 Speaker 4: But before I get to that, I will say that 244 00:12:23,854 --> 00:12:25,934 Speaker 4: some of the drugs that extend life span and animals 245 00:12:26,014 --> 00:12:29,214 Speaker 4: are already available and are cheap molecules to make. It's 246 00:12:29,214 --> 00:12:30,934 Speaker 4: just a person of whether they will work. But I'll 247 00:12:30,934 --> 00:12:32,734 Speaker 4: get into the answer which you really wanted, which is 248 00:12:32,774 --> 00:12:34,854 Speaker 4: what can people do for their health right now? And 249 00:12:34,894 --> 00:12:37,534 Speaker 4: it's the really obvious, boring stuff that your grandmother would 250 00:12:37,534 --> 00:12:40,454 Speaker 4: probably say that you need to do. Maintain healthy sleep patterns, 251 00:12:41,014 --> 00:12:44,614 Speaker 4: balanced diet, but the big one is resistance training and exercise. 252 00:12:44,974 --> 00:12:48,254 Speaker 4: So exercise, exercise, exersise, it's probably more important than weight loss. 253 00:12:48,494 --> 00:12:51,974 Speaker 4: Get that physical exercise in there. And especially for older women, 254 00:12:52,294 --> 00:12:54,614 Speaker 4: the biggest problem in the health of older women is 255 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:57,774 Speaker 4: the cycopinia, the loss of muscle mass. So the idea 256 00:12:57,774 --> 00:13:00,294 Speaker 4: of sending granny to the gym to pump iron seems ridiculous, 257 00:13:00,334 --> 00:13:02,774 Speaker 4: but actually Granny should be down of the gym pumping iron. 258 00:13:03,254 --> 00:13:06,614 Speaker 4: There are some incredible photos of the late Rusbti Ginsberg 259 00:13:06,734 --> 00:13:08,974 Speaker 4: pumping iron at the gym, and you know that's actually 260 00:13:08,974 --> 00:13:11,374 Speaker 4: really important, huge benefits to health. 261 00:13:11,574 --> 00:13:13,414 Speaker 5: Just a little bit of exercise, and those older people 262 00:13:13,454 --> 00:13:14,534 Speaker 5: can make a big difference. 263 00:13:17,934 --> 00:13:20,774 Speaker 3: If you hear the words psychopath, you probably picture a 264 00:13:20,854 --> 00:13:24,374 Speaker 3: chilling movie villain or that scene from Psycho, which, yes, 265 00:13:24,534 --> 00:13:26,894 Speaker 3: it did make me a little scared of shower curtains 266 00:13:26,894 --> 00:13:30,694 Speaker 3: for a while. But in real life, psychopathy is often 267 00:13:30,814 --> 00:13:34,614 Speaker 3: far subtler. The fun friend, the charming you mate, or 268 00:13:34,654 --> 00:13:38,574 Speaker 3: the social butterfly who sweeps in only to slowly unravel 269 00:13:38,614 --> 00:13:43,214 Speaker 3: your trust and emotional security. According to experts, about one 270 00:13:43,254 --> 00:13:47,254 Speaker 3: percent of the population meets clinical psychopathy criteria, but up 271 00:13:47,294 --> 00:13:51,694 Speaker 3: to thirty percent so more psychopathic traits. These individuals might 272 00:13:51,734 --> 00:13:56,374 Speaker 3: be magnetic and energetic, but under the surface they lack empathy, remorse, 273 00:13:56,414 --> 00:14:00,734 Speaker 3: and real conscience. Psychopaths see others as tools, not people, 274 00:14:01,094 --> 00:14:04,454 Speaker 3: using your affection, resources, and trust for their own interests 275 00:14:04,534 --> 00:14:07,734 Speaker 3: and then discarding you. For example, have you ever walked 276 00:14:07,734 --> 00:14:10,694 Speaker 3: away from a social interaction with a and been left 277 00:14:10,734 --> 00:14:13,254 Speaker 3: with that feeling that you were part of a weird transaction, 278 00:14:13,734 --> 00:14:16,334 Speaker 3: like you were there to provide a service or information, 279 00:14:16,534 --> 00:14:19,134 Speaker 3: but then you didn't really get to fill your cup 280 00:14:19,214 --> 00:14:22,654 Speaker 3: in the process. You, my friend, might have just encountered 281 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:26,974 Speaker 3: a psychopath or psychopathic tendencies anyway, So how do you 282 00:14:26,974 --> 00:14:31,094 Speaker 3: spot one in your circle? They're seductive, risk taking, and 283 00:14:31,334 --> 00:14:34,774 Speaker 3: thrive on shallow connections. But you might feel drained or 284 00:14:34,814 --> 00:14:38,694 Speaker 3: confused after seeing them. Maybe you find yourself justifying their 285 00:14:38,774 --> 00:14:42,054 Speaker 3: chaos or ignoring red flags your other friends point out. 286 00:14:42,494 --> 00:14:46,294 Speaker 3: Female psychopaths tend to be even more subtle, using relational 287 00:14:46,294 --> 00:14:50,894 Speaker 3: aggression and emotional manipulation rather than outright bullying. If you 288 00:14:50,894 --> 00:14:53,854 Speaker 3: suspect your fun friend might have you wrapped around their 289 00:14:53,854 --> 00:14:57,374 Speaker 3: little finger, the best move is to gradually distance yourself. 290 00:14:58,134 --> 00:15:01,094 Speaker 3: If there's any sense of threat, step away quickly and 291 00:15:01,294 --> 00:15:06,094 Speaker 3: keep trusted people close. And remember, psychopathy is hard to spot, 292 00:15:06,454 --> 00:15:10,014 Speaker 3: but you shouldn't have to explain away constant emotional sis stress. 293 00:15:10,774 --> 00:15:14,334 Speaker 3: Just to be clear, having a few psychopathic tendencies does 294 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:18,414 Speaker 3: not make someone a psychopath. For example, someone with psychopathic 295 00:15:18,454 --> 00:15:21,654 Speaker 3: tendencies might come off as super confident or a bit cold. 296 00:15:21,894 --> 00:15:24,494 Speaker 3: Maybe they charm people easily but use it to get 297 00:15:24,494 --> 00:15:27,294 Speaker 3: what they want, and that's not the same as being 298 00:15:27,334 --> 00:15:31,174 Speaker 3: a clinical psychopath. But if those traits are deep, consistent, 299 00:15:31,214 --> 00:15:36,534 Speaker 3: and harmful, that's when we're in real diagnosis territory. Thanks 300 00:15:36,534 --> 00:15:39,214 Speaker 3: for taking some time to feed your mind with us today. Hey, 301 00:15:39,254 --> 00:15:41,174 Speaker 3: we've made it to the last day of our Women's 302 00:15:41,174 --> 00:15:44,414 Speaker 3: Health Weik facts. Claire bring us home with a good one. 303 00:15:45,534 --> 00:15:49,014 Speaker 2: Did you know that gps are specialists in their own right? 304 00:15:49,494 --> 00:15:51,574 Speaker 2: If you're struggling to find a doctor who'll listen to 305 00:15:51,614 --> 00:15:54,774 Speaker 2: the particular issue you're experiencing, Like say you're struggling to 306 00:15:54,774 --> 00:15:58,654 Speaker 2: get a diagnosis of endometriosis or with perimenopause symptoms or 307 00:15:58,654 --> 00:16:03,574 Speaker 2: fertility struggles, find a GP who specializes in women's health. 308 00:16:03,894 --> 00:16:05,774 Speaker 2: How do I do that? I hear you ask. Well, 309 00:16:05,814 --> 00:16:08,054 Speaker 2: you can search for gps in your area and they 310 00:16:08,054 --> 00:16:10,854 Speaker 2: will all have an online bio that tells you what 311 00:16:10,934 --> 00:16:14,254 Speaker 2: their specialty is. If you're regional or remote, find one 312 00:16:14,254 --> 00:16:17,014 Speaker 2: that can do a consultation via telehealth. So if you 313 00:16:17,134 --> 00:16:20,294 Speaker 2: leave an appointment thinking that was less than helpful, there 314 00:16:20,294 --> 00:16:23,374 Speaker 2: are ways you can find the doctor who will actually help. 315 00:16:25,174 --> 00:16:27,654 Speaker 3: Thanks so much to Claire for providing the Women's Health 316 00:16:27,654 --> 00:16:30,614 Speaker 3: Week facts all week long here on the Quiki. If 317 00:16:30,614 --> 00:16:33,094 Speaker 3: you want to hear more from Claire and doctor Mariam 318 00:16:33,174 --> 00:16:35,694 Speaker 3: over on the Well podcast, I'll pop a link for 319 00:16:35,774 --> 00:16:38,694 Speaker 3: you in our show notes. The Quiki is produced by 320 00:16:38,734 --> 00:16:42,174 Speaker 3: me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy, with audio production by 321 00:16:42,214 --> 00:16:42,734 Speaker 3: Lou Hill.