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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie, A new documentary about one particular phase of

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Speaker 1: right now and is even leading to a rethink as

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Speaker 1: to how doctors are trained to deal with perimenopause and menopause.

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Speaker 3: Menopause is the one universal female experience. If you are

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Speaker 3: born with Ovrey's, you will be menopausal.

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Speaker 1: The M Factor, Shredding the silence on menopause lays bare

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Speaker 1: the reality of the perimenopause and menopause journey, something that

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of women will go through, whether they

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Speaker 1: experience symptoms or not. Before we catch up with M

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Speaker 1: Factor writer director Kobe Atlas, here's a letter from The

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Speaker 1: Quickie newsroom Wednesday, November twenty In TikTok, Influenza, who cannot

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Speaker 1: be named for legal reasons, has reportedly had her daughter

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Speaker 1: in an apparent case of Munchausen by proxy. The Queensland

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Speaker 1: donations after she've logged about her young daughter's struggle with

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Speaker 1: a life threatening brain tumor, but hospital staff reportedly started

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Speaker 1: to become suspicious after her online updates didn't match the

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Speaker 1: what was happening to their daughter, branding his wife a

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Speaker 1: monster after being told what authorities believed was happening. In

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Speaker 1: other children. A Romanian court has ruled for the removal

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Speaker 1: of some of the evidence collected against internet personality Andrew Tate,

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Speaker 1: giving prosecutors five days to decide whether they'll continue to

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Speaker 1: pursue the human trafficking trial or withdraw the cab. Tate,

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Speaker 1: his brother, Tristan, and two women were indicted back in

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Speaker 1: the beginning, saying it demonstrates the lack of substantiated claims

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Speaker 1: against them. Bunnings has been told to destroy facial recognition

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Speaker 1: data it collected from their customers after finding they breached

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Speaker 1: the privacy laws. The Privacy Commissioner found that the laws

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Speaker 1: were breached after thousands of customers had their faces scanned

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Speaker 1: on entering sixty three stores across New South Wales and

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Speaker 1: victoriawe beween November six, twenty eighteen and November thirty, twenty

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Speaker 1: business and protecting the team, customers and suppliers, saying seventy

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Speaker 1: percent of incidents in Bunning stores are caused by the

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Speaker 1: Bunnings is seeking a review of the Commissioner's decision. The

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Speaker 1: world's largest ocean dispute campaign launches today with Aquaman himself

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Speaker 1: going on in the world today. Next, the documentary making

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Speaker 1: healthcare professionals rethink what they know about menopause from our

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Speaker 1: brains on down. The groundbreaking documentary The M Factor, Shredding

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Speaker 3: You may or may not be pregnant, You may or

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you you will be. This first of its

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Speaker 1: confronts societal and medical shortcomings in addressing menopause while advocating

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Speaker 1: for revolutionary changes in women's health care. In Australia, the

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Speaker 1: average age to reach menopause that day after one year

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Speaker 3: Black women, as well as Hispanic women are more likely

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Speaker 2: For Asian women, menopause tends to be a lot of

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Speaker 1: Recent data shows that approximately one quarter of Australian women

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Speaker 1: Perimenopause is when your body starts to recognize that estrogen

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Speaker 1: explain it in medicine, conditions which haven't been properly addressed

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Speaker 3: You know, the freakouts you have start to feel like

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Speaker 1: Of course, the list of symptoms is extensive, and when

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Speaker 5: Nearly thirty percent of women in menopause will lose a

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Speaker 1: For many women, they receive very little information from their

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Speaker 1: as their mothers, grandmothers, and aunties have become frail, breaking,

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Speaker 1: One of the most influential treatments for perimenopause symptoms is

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Speaker 1: hormone replacement therapy, but a Women's Health Initiative study back

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Speaker 7: It increases the risk for breast cancer and for blood.

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Speaker 1: Clot It was later revealed that the report misrepresented the

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Speaker 8: Menopause Society came out in twenty twenty two. Clearly, for

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Speaker 8: Protective against neurodementia. If you start in the window of opportunity,

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Speaker 8: it will always for your whole life. Protect your mounts,

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Speaker 1: Now, there are some cancers that feed off of estrogen

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Speaker 1: benefits far outweigh the risk. The M Factor shows just

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Speaker 1: how extensive the menopause experience is and reveals that unaddressed

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Speaker 1: menopause can lead to severe long term health complications, including Alzheimer's, osteoporosis,

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Speaker 1: and cardiovascular disease. Kobe Atlas is the writer and director

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Speaker 1: of The M Factor. Kobe, You've done so many interesting

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Speaker 7: these times and I have been working on several documentaries

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Speaker 7: in the past, As you said, Push Out about the

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Speaker 7: criminalization of black girls and schools and birth injustice. The

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Speaker 7: United States has a very dismal record on maternal health,

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Speaker 7: which is actually appalling. But Denise has been working in

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Speaker 7: very interested in alternative medicine, teys and other things that

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Speaker 7: several medical professional groups. And she came to me and said,

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Speaker 7: I really want to do this. I think nobody really

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Speaker 7: knows about this. And I'm older than she is and

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Speaker 7: I've gone to menopause. Well, you're in menopause. Ever, as

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Speaker 7: Sharon Malone says in the documentary, but I started my

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Speaker 7: menopause journey quite a while ago, and I preached through

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Speaker 7: important subject. Every woman on the planet will go through menopause.

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Speaker 7: we know so little about it. So then I became

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Speaker 7: completely intrigued, and I was in one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the most shocking thing for you

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Speaker 7: It's so much more profound than that. And some of

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, with all of the attention now being paid to

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Speaker 1: What I also found interesting within the range of experts

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Speaker 7: I wasn't, but only clear because I had heard so

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a generational shift happening in the

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Speaker 1: For women in Australia, the current healthcare landscape presents several

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Speaker 1: something their mothers and grandmothers did not the Internet and

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Speaker 1: social media. Now the discussion around perimenopause and menopause is

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Speaker 1: being shared with a laugh.

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Speaker 9: Or in menopause, we smell things that nobody else does.

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Speaker 9: You smell smoke, Or in menopause we dress in layers

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Speaker 9: because we're always so freaking hot, Or in menopause we're

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Speaker 9: not afraid to tell you exactly how we feel or

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Speaker 9: in menopause, we sleep with fans and ice packs in our.

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Speaker 1: Beds and some real life experiences.

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Speaker 10: My darling, how have you been going around the house?

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Speaker 10: You're like, what's that smell? Can I now smell them?

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Speaker 5: Am I going mad?

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Speaker 7: Is it me?

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Speaker 10: Can I write someone tell me that they can smell that?

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Speaker 10: You're not going mad? It's primenopause.

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Speaker 1: So when women feel that they've been gas liked by

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Speaker 1: their doctors because they got a blood test and it

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Speaker 1: shows their homemone levels are all in the normal range,

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Speaker 1: their around medical professionals online who be able to explain why.

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Speaker 5: We don't actually technically need any lab work or blood

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Speaker 5: work to diagnose perimenopause. The way that we diagnose perimenopause

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Speaker 5: is by looking at the menstrual cycle and seeing if

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Speaker 5: there are any major manstrual cycle changes.

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Speaker 1: All of the experts that you heard here today star

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Speaker 1: on The M Factor and it is currently streaming on

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Speaker 1: Apple TV if you want to check it out. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking the time to feed your mind with us today.

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Speaker 1: The quickie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Taylor Strano, with auto production by Teagan Sadler