1 00:00:10,365 --> 00:00:13,085 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,885 --> 00:00:16,885 Speaker 2: Mama Miya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,885 --> 00:00:19,725 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on with Peggy. 4 00:00:19,405 --> 00:00:21,845 Speaker 1: Sue Peter Dutton, I don't want to get sued, okay, 5 00:00:22,765 --> 00:00:26,125 Speaker 1: and yet in a really strange sort of way, I 6 00:00:26,125 --> 00:00:28,925 Speaker 1: think it played a part in affecting the outcome of 7 00:00:28,965 --> 00:00:29,605 Speaker 1: an election. 8 00:00:30,205 --> 00:00:31,445 Speaker 3: Sorry about that, Peter Dotta. 9 00:00:38,525 --> 00:00:43,885 Speaker 1: Oh well. Today on No Filter, we're talking pegging and 10 00:00:44,125 --> 00:00:49,805 Speaker 1: porn and what happens when a sex worker accidentally or 11 00:00:49,845 --> 00:00:54,285 Speaker 1: by design, becomes one of the most recognizable women on 12 00:00:54,325 --> 00:00:59,365 Speaker 1: the Internet in Australia. Kayla Jade is a Gold Coast mum, 13 00:00:59,845 --> 00:01:04,685 Speaker 1: a content creator, a full service sex worker and TikTok 14 00:01:04,885 --> 00:01:09,085 Speaker 1: storytime girl. One minute she's counting cash on camera, a 15 00:01:09,125 --> 00:01:12,805 Speaker 1: lot of cash. The next she's flying halfway across the 16 00:01:12,845 --> 00:01:18,765 Speaker 1: world to sleep with an a lister. She's been doxed, stalked, adored, 17 00:01:19,245 --> 00:01:23,125 Speaker 1: and almost died on an operating table in Turkey, and 18 00:01:23,165 --> 00:01:27,125 Speaker 1: now she's living in the country, raising her kids and 19 00:01:27,245 --> 00:01:33,245 Speaker 1: launching an empire. We talk clients, secrets, celebrity flings and yes, 20 00:01:34,485 --> 00:01:39,965 Speaker 1: Peggy Sue, so pull up a seat. This is one story. 21 00:01:40,405 --> 00:01:45,005 Speaker 1: Kayla Jade wasn't supposed to tell, but of course she does. 22 00:01:46,285 --> 00:01:49,725 Speaker 1: Kayla Jade, do I call you Kayla? Or are you 23 00:01:49,765 --> 00:01:51,605 Speaker 1: the full blue eyed Kayla Jade? 24 00:01:51,725 --> 00:01:54,005 Speaker 3: To call me Kaylor, that's my name. 25 00:01:55,165 --> 00:01:56,405 Speaker 2: Welcome to No Filter. 26 00:01:56,885 --> 00:01:57,685 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 27 00:01:58,925 --> 00:02:01,925 Speaker 1: And often, you know, when we have guests on the pod, 28 00:02:02,525 --> 00:02:04,725 Speaker 1: we have to remind them that the show is called 29 00:02:04,725 --> 00:02:08,405 Speaker 1: No Filter. But I don't think that I have to 30 00:02:08,525 --> 00:02:11,525 Speaker 1: remind you. 31 00:02:10,325 --> 00:02:11,285 Speaker 3: No pretty much. 32 00:02:11,685 --> 00:02:13,725 Speaker 4: Yeah, I post a bit a little bit too much 33 00:02:13,725 --> 00:02:15,405 Speaker 4: on the Internet, so I'm sure we won't have a 34 00:02:15,445 --> 00:02:16,045 Speaker 4: problem today. 35 00:02:16,805 --> 00:02:20,685 Speaker 1: But you're very interesting because you are, among many things, 36 00:02:20,725 --> 00:02:26,365 Speaker 1: a sex worker, and you have really stepped into yourself 37 00:02:26,645 --> 00:02:31,085 Speaker 1: and the truth of your life, firstly in a professional 38 00:02:31,085 --> 00:02:36,405 Speaker 1: capacity but also in a personal capacity that I think 39 00:02:36,445 --> 00:02:38,285 Speaker 1: has kind of changed things. 40 00:02:38,965 --> 00:02:42,365 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, you know, it hasn't been 41 00:02:42,405 --> 00:02:45,005 Speaker 4: anything that's planned. It's all just come naturally. So I'm 42 00:02:45,005 --> 00:02:48,125 Speaker 4: sort of learning as I go to you know, be 43 00:02:48,205 --> 00:02:51,045 Speaker 4: a content creator, because I guess I had dabbled a 44 00:02:51,045 --> 00:02:53,365 Speaker 4: bit in it before, but never to this level. So 45 00:02:53,445 --> 00:02:56,245 Speaker 4: it's just like a whole learning curve and you know, 46 00:02:56,325 --> 00:03:01,685 Speaker 4: adapting to my audience to make sure that I'm you know, 47 00:03:01,725 --> 00:03:05,565 Speaker 4: giving out the best information and you know, telling the 48 00:03:05,645 --> 00:03:07,685 Speaker 4: raws of it as well, and not trying to just 49 00:03:07,845 --> 00:03:10,525 Speaker 4: like make it seem like kids all glitz and glamour, 50 00:03:10,925 --> 00:03:14,165 Speaker 4: because you know, it's definitely not the industry that is 51 00:03:14,245 --> 00:03:16,045 Speaker 4: like that. There's a lot of bad stuff to it too, 52 00:03:16,125 --> 00:03:17,965 Speaker 4: So I guess just. 53 00:03:17,925 --> 00:03:21,245 Speaker 3: From the start, you know, showing that every side of it. 54 00:03:22,005 --> 00:03:27,165 Speaker 1: When you were little growing up in New Zealand in 55 00:03:27,205 --> 00:03:31,485 Speaker 1: a small town, who was Kayla Jade? 56 00:03:31,605 --> 00:03:34,245 Speaker 2: Then what were you like as a as a kid? 57 00:03:35,205 --> 00:03:39,405 Speaker 4: I guess like little me, like I always had like 58 00:03:39,445 --> 00:03:43,365 Speaker 4: a good family life, social life, but I guess in 59 00:03:43,405 --> 00:03:49,005 Speaker 4: a way I always struggled a little bit throughout school 60 00:03:49,445 --> 00:03:51,885 Speaker 4: because I had ADHD. 61 00:03:51,285 --> 00:03:52,645 Speaker 3: But I was undiagnosed. 62 00:03:53,205 --> 00:03:56,045 Speaker 4: So I guess a lot of my life I was thinking, like, 63 00:03:57,045 --> 00:03:58,525 Speaker 4: you know, what's wrong with me? 64 00:03:58,765 --> 00:03:59,805 Speaker 3: Like why can't I. 65 00:04:00,165 --> 00:04:02,605 Speaker 4: You know, act a certain way or be normal in 66 00:04:02,645 --> 00:04:06,045 Speaker 4: a way, And like ADHD was just never on the 67 00:04:06,085 --> 00:04:09,605 Speaker 4: cards for me, because it, like especially in female was 68 00:04:09,605 --> 00:04:11,805 Speaker 4: as much harder to diagnose because. 69 00:04:11,765 --> 00:04:13,645 Speaker 3: I wasn't like the hyper kid at school. 70 00:04:13,645 --> 00:04:15,925 Speaker 4: You know, I was actually quite quiet and just like 71 00:04:16,805 --> 00:04:18,325 Speaker 4: I was always. 72 00:04:18,045 --> 00:04:19,525 Speaker 3: Just chill throughout my whole life. 73 00:04:19,525 --> 00:04:21,405 Speaker 4: Probably a little bit too chill that I'm just like 74 00:04:21,445 --> 00:04:23,525 Speaker 4: away with the faeries and have no idea what's going on. 75 00:04:24,485 --> 00:04:27,765 Speaker 4: But as soon as I was diagnosed, like later in life, 76 00:04:27,765 --> 00:04:30,365 Speaker 4: when I was about like twenty nine, it was only 77 00:04:30,365 --> 00:04:32,045 Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, I. 78 00:04:32,085 --> 00:04:34,245 Speaker 3: Was just like, it makes so much sense. 79 00:04:34,365 --> 00:04:36,565 Speaker 4: Why I was like this as a child, and you 80 00:04:36,605 --> 00:04:39,485 Speaker 4: know why I acted a certain way and why I 81 00:04:39,525 --> 00:04:41,805 Speaker 4: always had to ask, you know, my friends around me 82 00:04:41,845 --> 00:04:44,605 Speaker 4: what's going on because I just had no idea. So 83 00:04:44,685 --> 00:04:47,805 Speaker 4: I guess a lot of that, Like getting diagnosed was 84 00:04:47,805 --> 00:04:50,885 Speaker 4: definitely like, you know, another piece to the puzzle, like, oh, 85 00:04:50,925 --> 00:04:52,245 Speaker 4: this makes so much sense. 86 00:04:53,325 --> 00:04:57,405 Speaker 1: When you were growing up, what was your u So 87 00:04:57,485 --> 00:05:00,005 Speaker 1: you said you just had like kind of a traditional family, 88 00:05:00,725 --> 00:05:05,205 Speaker 1: very close fun. It was you and your sister. 89 00:05:05,565 --> 00:05:08,005 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was so just like, you know, a 90 00:05:08,085 --> 00:05:09,125 Speaker 4: middle class family. 91 00:05:09,445 --> 00:05:10,805 Speaker 3: You know, we got by. 92 00:05:11,445 --> 00:05:13,085 Speaker 1: So when you felt that you were a little bit 93 00:05:13,125 --> 00:05:16,605 Speaker 1: different to everybody else, but not necessarily it sounds like 94 00:05:16,645 --> 00:05:17,485 Speaker 1: in a bad way. 95 00:05:17,645 --> 00:05:19,845 Speaker 3: Nah, did you always. 96 00:05:19,525 --> 00:05:22,005 Speaker 2: Feel that you had a story to tell? 97 00:05:22,685 --> 00:05:25,885 Speaker 3: Honestly, like, no, I had. 98 00:05:25,965 --> 00:05:29,565 Speaker 4: I had no idea what was going to happen in 99 00:05:29,645 --> 00:05:32,405 Speaker 4: my life or my future. I don't know if it's 100 00:05:32,445 --> 00:05:33,845 Speaker 4: part of like an ADHD thing. 101 00:05:33,885 --> 00:05:36,165 Speaker 3: But I never thought past. 102 00:05:35,925 --> 00:05:39,405 Speaker 4: The present day really, so I was just like, I 103 00:05:39,405 --> 00:05:42,285 Speaker 4: guess my personality type of always been like, go with 104 00:05:42,325 --> 00:05:45,845 Speaker 4: the flow. Whatever happens, happens. If it's good, great, If 105 00:05:45,885 --> 00:05:48,845 Speaker 4: it's not, we'll get through it. There's just always been 106 00:05:49,045 --> 00:05:51,405 Speaker 4: like the way I've worked, So I've never really thought of, 107 00:05:52,325 --> 00:05:54,725 Speaker 4: you know, coming here today and telling my story. 108 00:05:55,805 --> 00:05:57,085 Speaker 3: It's crazy because, like you know. 109 00:05:57,005 --> 00:05:58,805 Speaker 4: You grow up in a small town and like a 110 00:05:58,805 --> 00:06:02,325 Speaker 4: lot of people around you, Like I just saw everyone 111 00:06:02,365 --> 00:06:05,045 Speaker 4: was just doing the same thing, and I guess I 112 00:06:05,045 --> 00:06:08,005 Speaker 4: thought that was going to be my trajectory as well. 113 00:06:08,765 --> 00:06:11,845 Speaker 1: What did you think that trajectory was going to be? Like, 114 00:06:12,125 --> 00:06:14,045 Speaker 1: what would your life have looked like? 115 00:06:14,565 --> 00:06:15,245 Speaker 3: I had no idea. 116 00:06:15,405 --> 00:06:18,645 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you had your boyfriend, so it would have 117 00:06:18,685 --> 00:06:21,405 Speaker 1: been kind of settling down quite traditional. 118 00:06:21,885 --> 00:06:22,765 Speaker 3: Yeah. 119 00:06:22,125 --> 00:06:26,925 Speaker 4: When I moved to Australia, that's when I met my partner, 120 00:06:26,925 --> 00:06:29,805 Speaker 4: my ex partner. But yeah, in New Zealand, I was 121 00:06:29,845 --> 00:06:32,805 Speaker 4: just sort of floating around and trying different things. 122 00:06:33,245 --> 00:06:35,765 Speaker 2: And what was your impetus that made you? 123 00:06:35,845 --> 00:06:37,565 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a crazy question to ask in 124 00:06:37,605 --> 00:06:39,885 Speaker 1: New Zealander because there's so many of you guys here. 125 00:06:40,485 --> 00:06:44,885 Speaker 2: But what made you come across the Dutch? 126 00:06:45,485 --> 00:06:47,845 Speaker 3: What made me come across Just opportunity. 127 00:06:47,925 --> 00:06:51,925 Speaker 4: You know, like obviously in New Zealand, we have lower 128 00:06:51,965 --> 00:06:55,245 Speaker 4: wages and everything's much more expensive, so. 129 00:06:55,845 --> 00:06:58,205 Speaker 3: Living there is hard. And you know, I would see 130 00:06:58,205 --> 00:07:02,325 Speaker 3: a lot of my friends just I guess. 131 00:07:02,325 --> 00:07:06,365 Speaker 4: Get into drugs or like drink every day because that's 132 00:07:06,405 --> 00:07:09,285 Speaker 4: all they knew. And you know, they were just work 133 00:07:09,405 --> 00:07:11,405 Speaker 4: in the regular jobs. And I just knew that, like 134 00:07:11,445 --> 00:07:13,725 Speaker 4: I didn't want that for my life. Like I just saw, 135 00:07:14,365 --> 00:07:16,365 Speaker 4: you know, my friends go through that, my family go 136 00:07:16,445 --> 00:07:19,445 Speaker 4: through that. So I had an opportunity where it was 137 00:07:19,485 --> 00:07:21,845 Speaker 4: like a sliding doors moment. I was like I can 138 00:07:22,245 --> 00:07:24,645 Speaker 4: move to Australia and see what happens, or I can 139 00:07:24,685 --> 00:07:26,485 Speaker 4: stay here and just do this for the rest of 140 00:07:26,485 --> 00:07:29,365 Speaker 4: my life. So I just chose, like, right, I'm just 141 00:07:29,405 --> 00:07:32,645 Speaker 4: gonna I'm pretty impulsive, so I was just like fuck it, 142 00:07:32,725 --> 00:07:34,525 Speaker 4: booked a flight the next day and was like okay, 143 00:07:34,565 --> 00:07:37,045 Speaker 4: we're gone Hi, And that's what happened. 144 00:07:37,565 --> 00:07:40,445 Speaker 2: And then you landed where Gold Coast. 145 00:07:41,045 --> 00:07:43,365 Speaker 3: Yes, ah, yeah. 146 00:07:43,205 --> 00:07:45,885 Speaker 4: So I moved over here and I knew like one 147 00:07:45,965 --> 00:07:50,125 Speaker 4: person here, but I had no family or friends. I 148 00:07:50,245 --> 00:07:53,645 Speaker 4: was staying in a random sheer house with like two 149 00:07:53,685 --> 00:07:56,885 Speaker 4: other guys and a couple, and I was just sort 150 00:07:56,925 --> 00:08:00,645 Speaker 4: of figuring everything out. And yeah, I was just lucky 151 00:08:00,645 --> 00:08:01,525 Speaker 4: that it worked out. 152 00:08:01,925 --> 00:08:06,965 Speaker 1: It sure did work out. At what point did you go, oh, 153 00:08:07,045 --> 00:08:13,045 Speaker 1: there's something happen here. Was it that your first TikTok 154 00:08:13,245 --> 00:08:14,205 Speaker 1: that changed things? 155 00:08:15,085 --> 00:08:20,365 Speaker 4: No? Actually, so it just happened randomly, Like I didn't 156 00:08:20,405 --> 00:08:23,645 Speaker 4: expect it when I started, because I started only fans. 157 00:08:23,685 --> 00:08:27,445 Speaker 4: Actually it was after the pandemic, and I could I 158 00:08:27,525 --> 00:08:30,885 Speaker 4: just saw so many amazing women making so much money 159 00:08:30,925 --> 00:08:33,245 Speaker 4: and getting the money themselves, you know, not giving it 160 00:08:33,245 --> 00:08:36,325 Speaker 4: to anyone else, men making a lot of banks. 161 00:08:36,325 --> 00:08:38,485 Speaker 3: So I just it just naturally clicked in me. 162 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:40,525 Speaker 4: I was like, I think I can make money through this. 163 00:08:41,405 --> 00:08:43,885 Speaker 4: And yeah, I had no idea. I had no sex, 164 00:08:43,925 --> 00:08:46,605 Speaker 4: work of friends, so I had to basically google how. 165 00:08:46,485 --> 00:08:50,285 Speaker 3: To make an only fans, and yeah, I just started 166 00:08:50,285 --> 00:08:50,845 Speaker 3: straight away. 167 00:08:50,885 --> 00:08:52,765 Speaker 4: I was like, if I'm going to put this stuff 168 00:08:52,765 --> 00:08:54,085 Speaker 4: out there, I'm going to go all out. 169 00:08:54,165 --> 00:08:55,005 Speaker 3: And that's what I did. 170 00:08:55,645 --> 00:08:59,445 Speaker 4: I immediately I had no social media following. I actually 171 00:08:59,525 --> 00:09:03,085 Speaker 4: started posting on Reddit randomly and then sorry, I got 172 00:09:03,085 --> 00:09:05,165 Speaker 4: a lot of because I was posting in a lot 173 00:09:05,165 --> 00:09:07,925 Speaker 4: of subreddits, and there's a lot of like kink subreddits. 174 00:09:07,925 --> 00:09:10,965 Speaker 3: So I was just posting, posting, posting. 175 00:09:11,365 --> 00:09:14,245 Speaker 4: Like I lived and breathed that for the first like 176 00:09:14,365 --> 00:09:17,925 Speaker 4: a little while, and then I started doing I started 177 00:09:17,965 --> 00:09:22,565 Speaker 4: on Instagram and did a couple collabs, and that's where. 178 00:09:22,325 --> 00:09:24,885 Speaker 3: Collabing with other girls, I was like, that's. 179 00:09:24,685 --> 00:09:26,725 Speaker 4: When they were like, oh, you should try TikTok, and 180 00:09:26,725 --> 00:09:29,325 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, I'll try it. Ticked up And 181 00:09:30,045 --> 00:09:31,965 Speaker 4: back then it was sort of when everyone was doing 182 00:09:32,005 --> 00:09:35,325 Speaker 4: like kind of more dancing right and stuff. 183 00:09:35,365 --> 00:09:37,125 Speaker 3: So I was doing like a few random things, but 184 00:09:37,165 --> 00:09:38,525 Speaker 3: I didn't take it seriously. 185 00:09:39,365 --> 00:09:42,485 Speaker 4: It wasn't until I started doing full service work that 186 00:09:42,685 --> 00:09:45,405 Speaker 4: I just started posting what I was doing and somehow 187 00:09:45,965 --> 00:09:47,165 Speaker 4: people started watching it. 188 00:09:47,285 --> 00:09:51,005 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you say that you started doing full 189 00:09:51,045 --> 00:09:55,725 Speaker 1: service work, like, how was that transition for you, Like 190 00:09:55,805 --> 00:09:59,325 Speaker 1: what was the moment where you went, oh, I can 191 00:09:59,445 --> 00:10:00,485 Speaker 1: value ad here. 192 00:10:01,645 --> 00:10:03,805 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess like I. 193 00:10:03,725 --> 00:10:06,325 Speaker 4: Had dabbled in it a little bit previously, but not 194 00:10:06,525 --> 00:10:07,965 Speaker 4: never to this extent. 195 00:10:08,765 --> 00:10:12,165 Speaker 3: So with my only fans, you know, I traveled. 196 00:10:11,685 --> 00:10:15,405 Speaker 4: The world like collabing with really big names, and I 197 00:10:15,565 --> 00:10:18,645 Speaker 4: made like a big name for myself. 198 00:10:18,725 --> 00:10:20,565 Speaker 3: In that industry, So. 199 00:10:20,605 --> 00:10:22,445 Speaker 4: I guess I was just kind of in the mindset 200 00:10:22,485 --> 00:10:24,125 Speaker 4: of like, Okay, what can I do next? 201 00:10:24,205 --> 00:10:25,165 Speaker 3: How much like how. 202 00:10:25,165 --> 00:10:28,005 Speaker 4: Much money can I save in a short amount of time. 203 00:10:28,725 --> 00:10:31,165 Speaker 3: So that's when I you know. 204 00:10:31,165 --> 00:10:34,445 Speaker 4: I had friends throughout the industry that were in person workers, 205 00:10:34,445 --> 00:10:37,205 Speaker 4: so I was like learning from them. I was like, Okay, 206 00:10:37,405 --> 00:10:39,725 Speaker 4: maybe I can make morning money from this. I feel 207 00:10:39,725 --> 00:10:42,285 Speaker 4: like I have the experience now through sex work that 208 00:10:43,085 --> 00:10:47,325 Speaker 4: it just happened like so naturally. But I'm so glad 209 00:10:47,325 --> 00:10:50,165 Speaker 4: that I had that experience in sex work before I 210 00:10:50,205 --> 00:10:52,165 Speaker 4: got into the in person work, because if I had 211 00:10:52,205 --> 00:10:54,725 Speaker 4: just started in person work like when I was fresh eighteen, 212 00:10:55,325 --> 00:10:58,405 Speaker 4: I probably would have got myself into some really shitty situations. 213 00:10:58,445 --> 00:11:01,885 Speaker 4: So yeah, it was kind of like just timing everything 214 00:11:01,965 --> 00:11:04,605 Speaker 4: worked out right. I just really wanted to get my 215 00:11:04,685 --> 00:11:07,565 Speaker 4: savings up and you know, invest in some more property. 216 00:11:07,645 --> 00:11:08,965 Speaker 3: So I was like, I just need to. 217 00:11:10,085 --> 00:11:12,965 Speaker 4: Buckle down, and yeah, that's what I did, and it's 218 00:11:13,525 --> 00:11:14,205 Speaker 4: done really well. 219 00:11:14,285 --> 00:11:17,445 Speaker 1: It has done really well because there was, of course 220 00:11:17,525 --> 00:11:19,405 Speaker 1: the period I think I first saw you, like a 221 00:11:19,445 --> 00:11:22,165 Speaker 1: lot of people when you'd be doing your money show 222 00:11:23,125 --> 00:11:23,845 Speaker 1: mm hmmm. 223 00:11:23,765 --> 00:11:26,245 Speaker 3: And that was like, yeah, the money counts. 224 00:11:25,925 --> 00:11:30,725 Speaker 1: Wards and wards of money of cash, and then you've 225 00:11:30,805 --> 00:11:33,485 Speaker 1: kind of stepped aside from that. So you've always had 226 00:11:33,525 --> 00:11:38,725 Speaker 1: this capacity to be very open and share a lot, 227 00:11:38,805 --> 00:11:42,565 Speaker 1: but also you've kind of monitored yourself as well. 228 00:11:43,165 --> 00:11:43,925 Speaker 3: M totally. 229 00:11:43,965 --> 00:11:47,205 Speaker 4: I think it's about like you know, adapting and changing, 230 00:11:47,445 --> 00:11:50,485 Speaker 4: you know, And yeah, I guess with the money counts, 231 00:11:50,485 --> 00:11:52,085 Speaker 4: I just I got to a point like when I 232 00:11:52,125 --> 00:11:56,725 Speaker 4: first started on TikTok, I started with the zero following, like. 233 00:11:56,725 --> 00:11:58,245 Speaker 3: I started a Marite new page. 234 00:11:58,645 --> 00:12:00,845 Speaker 4: When I was posting the money counts, I was posting, 235 00:12:00,925 --> 00:12:03,125 Speaker 4: you know, for my sex worker friends, just for shits 236 00:12:03,125 --> 00:12:03,885 Speaker 4: and giggles, to be. 237 00:12:03,925 --> 00:12:06,365 Speaker 3: Like whatever, like I'm just going to post what I'm doing. 238 00:12:06,405 --> 00:12:08,165 Speaker 3: If anyone likes it, go for it. 239 00:12:08,725 --> 00:12:10,245 Speaker 4: And then it got to the point where it just 240 00:12:10,325 --> 00:12:14,165 Speaker 4: it blew up so much and the money counts started 241 00:12:14,205 --> 00:12:15,165 Speaker 4: becoming a little. 242 00:12:14,965 --> 00:12:16,125 Speaker 3: Bit icky for me. 243 00:12:16,325 --> 00:12:18,805 Speaker 4: I just felt like, you know, if girls were like 244 00:12:18,845 --> 00:12:21,485 Speaker 4: scrolling through TikTok and they saw this like giant money 245 00:12:21,485 --> 00:12:24,165 Speaker 4: counts and then they didn't actually like click on my 246 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:26,725 Speaker 4: page and like look at my other videos where I 247 00:12:26,765 --> 00:12:29,165 Speaker 4: talk about like the dangers of sex work and like 248 00:12:29,245 --> 00:12:31,925 Speaker 4: other things like that, if they just saw those videos, 249 00:12:31,965 --> 00:12:34,285 Speaker 4: then they would be like, hey, like I can make 250 00:12:34,325 --> 00:12:36,325 Speaker 4: this money too, and not realize what I actually had 251 00:12:36,365 --> 00:12:39,445 Speaker 4: to do to get that money. So it just. 252 00:12:39,485 --> 00:12:42,285 Speaker 3: Naturally I was like probably for a couple months, I 253 00:12:42,365 --> 00:12:44,365 Speaker 3: was like, I don't I think I'm going to stop them. 254 00:12:44,805 --> 00:12:45,565 Speaker 3: And that was a. 255 00:12:45,485 --> 00:12:50,605 Speaker 4: Hard transition for me because I felt like that's what I. 256 00:12:50,245 --> 00:12:50,845 Speaker 3: Blew up on. 257 00:12:50,965 --> 00:12:52,685 Speaker 4: So I was like, no, but like should I keep 258 00:12:52,725 --> 00:12:55,805 Speaker 4: doing I don't know. But then it just naturally came 259 00:12:55,885 --> 00:12:57,325 Speaker 4: that I was just like, nah, I don't think I 260 00:12:57,325 --> 00:12:58,245 Speaker 4: can do these anymore. 261 00:12:58,365 --> 00:12:58,805 Speaker 3: That's when I. 262 00:12:58,805 --> 00:13:02,325 Speaker 1: Stopped interesting too, because security is always a big thing 263 00:13:02,645 --> 00:13:07,725 Speaker 1: for every woman really exactly, and I was thinking Kim Kardashian. 264 00:13:07,805 --> 00:13:08,885 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 265 00:13:09,325 --> 00:13:13,085 Speaker 4: That was another reason why I stopped, because especially because 266 00:13:13,925 --> 00:13:16,805 Speaker 4: a lot of other sex workers started doing it as well, 267 00:13:17,125 --> 00:13:20,365 Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm really careful about safety, but 268 00:13:20,445 --> 00:13:23,725 Speaker 4: if you know someone on here, if someone's doing it 269 00:13:23,765 --> 00:13:26,005 Speaker 4: and then like not so much or they're a bit younger, 270 00:13:27,045 --> 00:13:28,925 Speaker 4: I was just worried, like, you know, that could put 271 00:13:28,925 --> 00:13:31,925 Speaker 4: a target on their back, you know, but like them 272 00:13:31,965 --> 00:13:34,645 Speaker 4: posting money counts and not being careful of like location 273 00:13:34,925 --> 00:13:39,205 Speaker 4: and things like that. So yeah, I thought it was 274 00:13:39,245 --> 00:13:41,725 Speaker 4: an everyone's best interest to stop. 275 00:13:41,765 --> 00:13:46,565 Speaker 1: The money counts interesting because obviously when you were doing this, 276 00:13:46,645 --> 00:13:50,845 Speaker 1: and this seems like it happened fairly rapidly that you 277 00:13:51,165 --> 00:13:54,205 Speaker 1: achieved this kind of level of success that you could 278 00:13:54,245 --> 00:13:56,885 Speaker 1: actually measure by the word of cash in your hand, 279 00:13:56,885 --> 00:14:00,565 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? So, your family back 280 00:14:00,605 --> 00:14:05,085 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, how aware were they at that point 281 00:14:05,165 --> 00:14:08,085 Speaker 1: of like your new pursuit. 282 00:14:08,725 --> 00:14:11,645 Speaker 4: Well, they're sort of have had time to adjust at 283 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:14,005 Speaker 4: the fact that I was a sex worker before the 284 00:14:14,045 --> 00:14:16,605 Speaker 4: tech took came, because yeah, I was. 285 00:14:16,565 --> 00:14:19,285 Speaker 3: On Only Fans. I've been on Only Fans for. 286 00:14:19,245 --> 00:14:23,485 Speaker 4: The past like four years, so you know, they learned 287 00:14:23,645 --> 00:14:26,805 Speaker 4: pretty soon because like I did well in the only 288 00:14:26,845 --> 00:14:30,245 Speaker 4: Fans world as well, So they learned fairly quickly that 289 00:14:30,325 --> 00:14:33,605 Speaker 4: I became a sex worker. But by the time like 290 00:14:33,685 --> 00:14:36,365 Speaker 4: the TikTok came, they were so used to they were 291 00:14:36,405 --> 00:14:38,405 Speaker 4: so used to my shenan again, so they were like, yeah, 292 00:14:38,645 --> 00:14:39,765 Speaker 4: you go off, queen. 293 00:14:40,645 --> 00:14:45,445 Speaker 1: And when when you says say to your parents, oh, 294 00:14:45,525 --> 00:14:47,245 Speaker 1: this is the work that I'm going to do, or 295 00:14:47,245 --> 00:14:49,085 Speaker 1: this is the work that I'm doing, who do you 296 00:14:49,165 --> 00:14:50,765 Speaker 1: have that conversation with first? 297 00:14:51,445 --> 00:14:53,525 Speaker 4: Ah, Well, they actually had the conversation with me, they 298 00:14:53,605 --> 00:14:56,205 Speaker 4: found out I actually. 299 00:14:55,965 --> 00:14:56,685 Speaker 3: Didn't tell them. 300 00:14:56,845 --> 00:14:59,645 Speaker 4: No, it's not because I didn't think that I was. 301 00:15:00,165 --> 00:15:01,925 Speaker 4: I didn't think that I was going to do it 302 00:15:01,925 --> 00:15:04,525 Speaker 4: for that long. Honestly, Like when I started the only fans, 303 00:15:04,565 --> 00:15:06,245 Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I'm probably going to do 304 00:15:06,325 --> 00:15:07,965 Speaker 4: this for a bit, make a bit of money, and 305 00:15:08,005 --> 00:15:09,125 Speaker 4: then just like leave it. 306 00:15:09,805 --> 00:15:11,565 Speaker 3: You know. I didn't think it would blow up into 307 00:15:11,565 --> 00:15:12,245 Speaker 3: this big career. 308 00:15:12,485 --> 00:15:15,525 Speaker 4: So I was just sort of doing it and like 309 00:15:15,645 --> 00:15:20,365 Speaker 4: not not really telling anyone. And then obviously they found 310 00:15:20,365 --> 00:15:23,605 Speaker 4: out word of mouth, and yeah, I guess they just 311 00:15:23,845 --> 00:15:26,885 Speaker 4: immediately straight up was like, hey, like what's going on? 312 00:15:27,045 --> 00:15:28,045 Speaker 3: Do you have only fans? 313 00:15:28,765 --> 00:15:32,085 Speaker 4: And my mum was a little bit, I guess, just 314 00:15:32,245 --> 00:15:35,365 Speaker 4: worried about me and my safety and everything. You know, 315 00:15:35,405 --> 00:15:39,205 Speaker 4: she didn't really know how only fans operated, Like in 316 00:15:39,285 --> 00:15:42,525 Speaker 4: her idea she had like you know, sort of nineties 317 00:15:42,565 --> 00:15:44,085 Speaker 4: porn sets or something like. 318 00:15:44,205 --> 00:15:45,205 Speaker 3: She was freaking out. 319 00:15:46,205 --> 00:15:48,965 Speaker 4: But then when she came over and just you know, 320 00:15:49,085 --> 00:15:52,325 Speaker 4: saw how happy I was, and you know how it 321 00:15:52,525 --> 00:15:56,765 Speaker 4: wasn't like as scary as it seems. They slowly got 322 00:15:56,765 --> 00:15:59,605 Speaker 4: adjusted to it, but with me, like I'm just like, 323 00:15:59,685 --> 00:16:02,805 Speaker 4: if I want something I'm I'm stubborn as buck. I 324 00:16:02,805 --> 00:16:05,845 Speaker 4: would do it and I don't care. You know, if 325 00:16:05,925 --> 00:16:08,805 Speaker 4: someone's not happy about it, well that's their problem. Like 326 00:16:08,845 --> 00:16:12,005 Speaker 4: if I'm happy, like, I'm gonna do it regardless. So 327 00:16:12,045 --> 00:16:14,645 Speaker 4: I feel like there was nothing anyone could say that 328 00:16:14,685 --> 00:16:18,325 Speaker 4: would be like, oh, actually I won't do this. Yeah, 329 00:16:18,445 --> 00:16:19,965 Speaker 4: But I mean a lot of people will ask me 330 00:16:20,045 --> 00:16:22,365 Speaker 4: like what do your parents thinking your work? And I'm like, 331 00:16:22,765 --> 00:16:25,845 Speaker 4: I'm fucking thirty, I'm a full grown adult, Like it 332 00:16:25,885 --> 00:16:28,405 Speaker 4: doesn't should not matter what my parents know about my life. 333 00:16:28,485 --> 00:16:30,645 Speaker 1: You know what, I No, it shouldn't matter. But then 334 00:16:31,005 --> 00:16:35,525 Speaker 1: there are there's just something often in that child parent 335 00:16:35,645 --> 00:16:39,045 Speaker 1: relationship where it doesn't matter how old you are. Like 336 00:16:39,725 --> 00:16:42,085 Speaker 1: before my dad died, he was eighty nine, I would 337 00:16:42,165 --> 00:16:43,965 Speaker 1: still hide from him if I wanted to have a 338 00:16:44,005 --> 00:16:46,165 Speaker 1: cigarette at a party or what is you know what 339 00:16:46,205 --> 00:16:46,565 Speaker 1: I mean. 340 00:16:46,685 --> 00:16:51,445 Speaker 3: It's like, Yeah, I'm actually the most. 341 00:16:51,205 --> 00:16:54,405 Speaker 4: Open I am now with my family then I've ever been. 342 00:16:55,245 --> 00:16:59,205 Speaker 4: Like I think just me opening up talking about my 343 00:16:59,285 --> 00:17:04,125 Speaker 4: life online has just made me so open with them 344 00:17:04,205 --> 00:17:08,485 Speaker 4: because throughout my life, I struggled a lot with mental illness. 345 00:17:08,605 --> 00:17:13,165 Speaker 4: I had disorders when I was younger, and I was 346 00:17:13,205 --> 00:17:16,805 Speaker 4: so closed off to them for a long period of time, 347 00:17:16,885 --> 00:17:19,525 Speaker 4: and I think just my mentality from the eating disorder. 348 00:17:20,045 --> 00:17:23,445 Speaker 4: I had that mindset of around my family, you know, 349 00:17:23,845 --> 00:17:26,845 Speaker 4: I had that like close off mindset. So now just 350 00:17:26,885 --> 00:17:30,845 Speaker 4: being so open and talking about things has just, yeah, 351 00:17:30,965 --> 00:17:33,165 Speaker 4: opened up our relationship so much. 352 00:17:33,525 --> 00:17:35,965 Speaker 2: It's funny because you know they're saying the truth will 353 00:17:35,965 --> 00:17:42,365 Speaker 2: set you free, and you seem to have found increasingly 354 00:17:43,165 --> 00:17:48,005 Speaker 2: so much freedom in no longer hiding aspects of your life, 355 00:17:48,645 --> 00:17:51,045 Speaker 2: even from the people that you share things with. 356 00:17:51,645 --> 00:17:53,445 Speaker 4: I just got to the point where I was just like, 357 00:17:53,565 --> 00:17:58,365 Speaker 4: I really don't care. Like there was so much like 358 00:17:58,485 --> 00:18:00,765 Speaker 4: ups and downs at the start when I first started, 359 00:18:00,805 --> 00:18:03,765 Speaker 4: like I had a family member like screenshot all my 360 00:18:03,845 --> 00:18:08,605 Speaker 4: content and send it to all my family, and I 361 00:18:08,685 --> 00:18:10,805 Speaker 4: had so much shit at the start that it just 362 00:18:10,845 --> 00:18:13,365 Speaker 4: got to a point where I'm just like whatever, Like 363 00:18:13,445 --> 00:18:18,325 Speaker 4: I honestly don't care. This is me, and I'm so 364 00:18:18,685 --> 00:18:21,285 Speaker 4: over hiding who I am and what I want to do. 365 00:18:21,445 --> 00:18:21,645 Speaker 3: You know. 366 00:18:22,285 --> 00:18:25,005 Speaker 4: So as soon as I was like, yep, I have 367 00:18:25,045 --> 00:18:28,205 Speaker 4: an only fan, I'm a sex worker, take it or 368 00:18:28,285 --> 00:18:31,005 Speaker 4: leave it, I think I just became more like I 369 00:18:31,125 --> 00:18:34,405 Speaker 4: just let go of caring so much about what other 370 00:18:34,445 --> 00:18:37,925 Speaker 4: people thought to be because, like I guess, like especially me, 371 00:18:38,005 --> 00:18:40,885 Speaker 4: growing up, I was very much like a people pleaser 372 00:18:41,285 --> 00:18:43,765 Speaker 4: and wanted to make sure everyone's like okay and happy. 373 00:18:44,485 --> 00:18:45,685 Speaker 3: And then I. 374 00:18:45,645 --> 00:18:46,885 Speaker 4: Just got to a point where I was just like 375 00:18:46,925 --> 00:18:50,125 Speaker 4: I don't care, Like if I'm happy, like that's all 376 00:18:50,165 --> 00:18:52,685 Speaker 4: that matters. And if people are not happy that I'm happy, 377 00:18:52,765 --> 00:18:54,565 Speaker 4: well you probably don't want them in your life anyway. 378 00:18:54,765 --> 00:18:57,565 Speaker 3: You've definitely learned, like being a sex worker, you. 379 00:18:57,525 --> 00:19:02,485 Speaker 4: Learn people's true personalities, like they come out and you know, 380 00:19:02,605 --> 00:19:05,365 Speaker 4: if someone like doesn't like your of the hiding something, 381 00:19:05,565 --> 00:19:07,885 Speaker 4: they will show you their true colors. So it's a 382 00:19:07,925 --> 00:19:09,245 Speaker 4: blessing in disguise in some way. 383 00:19:09,685 --> 00:19:15,805 Speaker 1: Do you think that with your knowledge of humanity now 384 00:19:16,805 --> 00:19:20,805 Speaker 1: that it changes the way that you deal with like 385 00:19:20,885 --> 00:19:25,365 Speaker 1: the entire world, the people that you meet socially. 386 00:19:26,805 --> 00:19:27,765 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely. 387 00:19:28,205 --> 00:19:33,445 Speaker 4: I think, especially like males, I have become a master 388 00:19:33,685 --> 00:19:38,005 Speaker 4: of identifying their personality. Probably within the first five seconds 389 00:19:38,045 --> 00:19:41,685 Speaker 4: of meeting one, I know exactly what kind of person 390 00:19:41,725 --> 00:19:45,925 Speaker 4: they are. So yeah, yeah, I think it's just made 391 00:19:45,965 --> 00:19:49,205 Speaker 4: me because you're just meeting new people all the time 392 00:19:49,285 --> 00:19:53,285 Speaker 4: and adapting that, like you're processing all these different personalities. 393 00:19:53,645 --> 00:19:57,325 Speaker 4: You get to really easily find out who someone is 394 00:19:57,485 --> 00:19:58,965 Speaker 4: just by looking at them. 395 00:19:59,085 --> 00:20:01,605 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite funny. It's like my little superpower now 396 00:20:02,245 --> 00:20:03,285 Speaker 3: because I heard. 397 00:20:03,085 --> 00:20:07,085 Speaker 1: You say, and I think it was on your storytime pod, 398 00:20:07,285 --> 00:20:11,325 Speaker 1: that you probably won't have a relationship now until you 399 00:20:11,445 --> 00:20:16,485 Speaker 1: finish with sex work. Yes, definitely, And I thought to myself, 400 00:20:16,525 --> 00:20:20,445 Speaker 1: how can you control that? Do you know what I mean? Like, 401 00:20:20,565 --> 00:20:23,965 Speaker 1: how do you stop that pull to someone when you 402 00:20:24,045 --> 00:20:25,685 Speaker 1: had that attraction to them more? 403 00:20:26,205 --> 00:20:29,605 Speaker 4: Well, I guess I'm just not in the mindset of 404 00:20:29,725 --> 00:20:34,285 Speaker 4: dating at the moment because throughout my life I've always 405 00:20:34,365 --> 00:20:36,805 Speaker 4: been in a relationship from the time I was like 406 00:20:36,885 --> 00:20:40,405 Speaker 4: fourteen years old until up until I had kids. So 407 00:20:41,405 --> 00:20:44,485 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm just in my era of wanting 408 00:20:44,565 --> 00:20:47,485 Speaker 4: to make money and setting myself up to make money, 409 00:20:47,805 --> 00:20:50,245 Speaker 4: and I know that if I get into a relationship, 410 00:20:50,485 --> 00:20:53,085 Speaker 4: that's going to slow me down. I guess my mentality 411 00:20:53,325 --> 00:20:56,965 Speaker 4: now is if, like, if I get into a relationship, 412 00:20:56,965 --> 00:20:59,045 Speaker 4: it's just going to set me back in my career, 413 00:20:59,285 --> 00:21:01,005 Speaker 4: in my money making, because. 414 00:21:02,245 --> 00:21:03,725 Speaker 3: Obviously, like I want. 415 00:21:03,525 --> 00:21:07,685 Speaker 4: To be with a person who you know, is okay 416 00:21:07,765 --> 00:21:10,485 Speaker 4: with me being a sex worker, but I also want 417 00:21:10,525 --> 00:21:13,005 Speaker 4: to be with a person who doesn't want me to 418 00:21:13,045 --> 00:21:15,565 Speaker 4: sleep with other men. You know, So I know that 419 00:21:15,605 --> 00:21:18,645 Speaker 4: when I do become in a relationship, yeah, I will 420 00:21:18,645 --> 00:21:22,685 Speaker 4: have to stop being yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And because 421 00:21:23,485 --> 00:21:26,285 Speaker 4: if they are okay with me sleeping with other men, 422 00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:29,365 Speaker 4: I feel like either thou with me just for my 423 00:21:29,485 --> 00:21:33,845 Speaker 4: name or money or that, or they really don't care 424 00:21:33,925 --> 00:21:36,125 Speaker 4: about me or you know, so I want to be 425 00:21:36,165 --> 00:21:36,925 Speaker 4: with someone. 426 00:21:36,645 --> 00:21:39,925 Speaker 2: Who only wants you to be with them. 427 00:21:40,365 --> 00:21:42,085 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 428 00:21:42,125 --> 00:21:46,405 Speaker 4: I see a lot of sex workers go throughout like relationships. 429 00:21:46,485 --> 00:21:48,885 Speaker 4: It's very rare that, like, you know, they have like 430 00:21:48,925 --> 00:21:52,965 Speaker 4: a guy who's okay with them sleeping with other people, 431 00:21:54,005 --> 00:21:56,365 Speaker 4: because that's like not really not much a normal thing. 432 00:21:56,725 --> 00:22:00,285 Speaker 4: When I eventually get into relationship, it's when I'm ready 433 00:22:00,285 --> 00:22:03,405 Speaker 4: to settle down, and that's not that's not yet. I 434 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,805 Speaker 4: want to make my money and you know, set up 435 00:22:06,165 --> 00:22:08,885 Speaker 4: set up myself and then and then I can think 436 00:22:08,925 --> 00:22:09,325 Speaker 4: about it. 437 00:22:09,885 --> 00:22:13,205 Speaker 1: When you are attracted to someone, it's kind of a 438 00:22:13,285 --> 00:22:16,405 Speaker 1: normal thing to be territorial about them. So what you're 439 00:22:16,445 --> 00:22:20,125 Speaker 1: saying is a guy who'd be yeah, that's okay, keep 440 00:22:20,205 --> 00:22:23,845 Speaker 1: up your sex work, is not the person that you 441 00:22:23,965 --> 00:22:29,085 Speaker 1: want to be with. No, No, and I know that. 442 00:22:29,125 --> 00:22:31,965 Speaker 4: If I get into a relationship now, that means I'm 443 00:22:31,965 --> 00:22:34,405 Speaker 4: going to have to stop my sex work, and I'm 444 00:22:34,445 --> 00:22:35,565 Speaker 4: not ready to do that yet. 445 00:22:35,805 --> 00:22:40,445 Speaker 1: When you're reaping the rewards of what you've built and 446 00:22:40,605 --> 00:22:44,845 Speaker 1: extending yourself in different ways, that's not a sexual pun, 447 00:22:45,245 --> 00:22:49,085 Speaker 1: that's just you really are exploring different parts of yourself. 448 00:22:49,925 --> 00:22:54,205 Speaker 2: How do you know when the point will be to stop? 449 00:22:54,685 --> 00:22:57,045 Speaker 4: I feel like I will know when the time comes. 450 00:22:57,085 --> 00:23:00,765 Speaker 4: Like I have never planned anything throughout my entire life, 451 00:23:00,845 --> 00:23:02,645 Speaker 4: so this is probably going to be one of those 452 00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:07,245 Speaker 4: things where I will keep making money. If I keep 453 00:23:07,245 --> 00:23:09,125 Speaker 4: making money doing this, then I'm happy. But if it 454 00:23:09,125 --> 00:23:11,685 Speaker 4: gets to a point where I don't make money anymore, 455 00:23:11,845 --> 00:23:16,045 Speaker 4: then maybe I'll settle down. But it's just that thing 456 00:23:16,125 --> 00:23:18,965 Speaker 4: where like I feel like a lot of sex workers 457 00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:22,365 Speaker 4: had said, like, you will know when you no longer 458 00:23:22,405 --> 00:23:24,525 Speaker 4: want to be in the industry, Like you just there's 459 00:23:24,565 --> 00:23:27,405 Speaker 4: something that just clicks inside you and you're just like, nah, 460 00:23:27,445 --> 00:23:30,725 Speaker 4: I'm done. So I feel like I will have that 461 00:23:30,805 --> 00:23:33,805 Speaker 4: turning point once I've burnt myself out, But hopefully I 462 00:23:33,805 --> 00:23:36,565 Speaker 4: would have set myself up enough to you know, be 463 00:23:36,765 --> 00:23:40,405 Speaker 4: okay with stepping back. So yeah, I would just have 464 00:23:40,445 --> 00:23:41,965 Speaker 4: to see when the time comes. 465 00:23:41,645 --> 00:23:45,365 Speaker 1: Really, because if you're waiting for the money to dwindle, 466 00:23:46,565 --> 00:23:48,245 Speaker 1: the money is never going to dwindle. 467 00:23:48,325 --> 00:23:49,565 Speaker 2: For Kayla Jade. 468 00:23:50,685 --> 00:23:53,285 Speaker 3: I mean you never know. But yeah, I mean I know, 469 00:23:53,405 --> 00:23:55,405 Speaker 3: I know a lot of sex workers that are. 470 00:23:55,605 --> 00:23:59,005 Speaker 4: Still making good money in their fifties, so fifties sixties, 471 00:23:59,125 --> 00:24:03,205 Speaker 4: which is crazy, but I feel like you just mentally, 472 00:24:03,365 --> 00:24:04,925 Speaker 4: I might tap out before then. 473 00:24:05,005 --> 00:24:05,725 Speaker 3: I just never know. 474 00:24:06,485 --> 00:24:09,765 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it just depends on my mental health thrilling, 475 00:24:10,085 --> 00:24:11,485 Speaker 4: whether I can keep doing it or not. 476 00:24:12,125 --> 00:24:14,405 Speaker 1: You know, you talk about your mental health a lot 477 00:24:14,605 --> 00:24:19,765 Speaker 1: and happily talk about how it's improved. What is the 478 00:24:19,805 --> 00:24:22,925 Speaker 1: toll that sex work takes on your mental health? 479 00:24:23,245 --> 00:24:26,685 Speaker 4: I mean, it just it depends on the person, really, 480 00:24:26,845 --> 00:24:30,565 Speaker 4: because if you're doing sex work and you feel any 481 00:24:30,565 --> 00:24:34,245 Speaker 4: sort of shame about sex work, or you don't enjoy 482 00:24:34,365 --> 00:24:38,125 Speaker 4: having sex and you're putting yourself and your body through 483 00:24:38,165 --> 00:24:42,085 Speaker 4: these situations of meeting up with strangers and do it 484 00:24:42,125 --> 00:24:44,285 Speaker 4: having sex with them, like, that's going to fuck your 485 00:24:44,285 --> 00:24:44,965 Speaker 4: mental health. 486 00:24:45,525 --> 00:24:47,045 Speaker 3: So that's why I. 487 00:24:47,045 --> 00:24:50,005 Speaker 4: Always tell girls, like, if you want to get into 488 00:24:50,125 --> 00:24:53,125 Speaker 4: sex work, like make sure you actually feel like you're 489 00:24:53,125 --> 00:24:56,805 Speaker 4: going to enjoy it, try it out, because it's not 490 00:24:56,965 --> 00:25:01,325 Speaker 4: for everyone, and some people will just immediately get burnt out. 491 00:25:02,565 --> 00:25:05,245 Speaker 4: But I feel like because I've had I've dealt with 492 00:25:05,325 --> 00:25:08,845 Speaker 4: a lot of things throughout my life, I felt like 493 00:25:08,925 --> 00:25:12,405 Speaker 4: it's just just made me a rock and away and really, 494 00:25:12,405 --> 00:25:15,325 Speaker 4: I can, you know, do a lot of things that 495 00:25:15,405 --> 00:25:17,605 Speaker 4: if I didn't go through that stuff, I probably wouldn't 496 00:25:17,645 --> 00:25:18,125 Speaker 4: be ready for. 497 00:25:18,725 --> 00:25:22,125 Speaker 1: You refer quite often to how your mental health has improved, 498 00:25:22,925 --> 00:25:28,845 Speaker 1: and the uptake in happiness is really apparent in you. 499 00:25:29,685 --> 00:25:31,365 Speaker 1: How have you made that happen? 500 00:25:32,165 --> 00:25:37,045 Speaker 4: I think just from having the time and freedom and 501 00:25:37,205 --> 00:25:42,285 Speaker 4: money just to be my own boss. I never thought 502 00:25:42,365 --> 00:25:45,405 Speaker 4: growing up, like you know, I always struggled with school. 503 00:25:45,445 --> 00:25:48,885 Speaker 4: I never thought that I would have a career where 504 00:25:48,885 --> 00:25:51,365 Speaker 4: I could make money. So the fact that I'm here 505 00:25:51,445 --> 00:25:54,845 Speaker 4: now and able to spend time with my kids and 506 00:25:55,565 --> 00:25:57,405 Speaker 4: just have the freedom to be like, you know what, 507 00:25:57,565 --> 00:26:00,885 Speaker 4: let's just go to Europe tomorrow, like I like we 508 00:26:00,885 --> 00:26:05,285 Speaker 4: need a break. Just having that freedom to spend time 509 00:26:05,325 --> 00:26:08,525 Speaker 4: with them is just so rewarding, and it just it 510 00:26:08,565 --> 00:26:13,365 Speaker 4: gives me so much happiness. Like money is a big struggle, 511 00:26:13,565 --> 00:26:16,165 Speaker 4: Like I've struggled with money throughout my whole life until 512 00:26:16,205 --> 00:26:18,845 Speaker 4: I became a sex worker. I had duct tape covered 513 00:26:18,885 --> 00:26:21,365 Speaker 4: all over my car because I couldn't afford a new car. 514 00:26:21,445 --> 00:26:25,205 Speaker 4: You know, I've lived paycheck to paycheck for like most 515 00:26:25,285 --> 00:26:29,525 Speaker 4: of my life, so I know money struggles and not 516 00:26:29,685 --> 00:26:33,485 Speaker 4: having money struggles now is just a huge relief. 517 00:26:34,125 --> 00:26:38,605 Speaker 1: Which is and money will buy you time as well. Yeah, 518 00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:42,885 Speaker 1: and people who say money can't buy happiness have never 519 00:26:42,925 --> 00:26:45,165 Speaker 1: been poor. Yeah, one. 520 00:26:47,285 --> 00:26:49,565 Speaker 4: Struggle and it will buy a little bit of happiness. 521 00:26:52,445 --> 00:26:57,125 Speaker 1: Coming up some A listers, some secrets and an ironclad 522 00:26:57,565 --> 00:27:01,925 Speaker 1: NDA that's a non disclosure agreement, which obviously means there's 523 00:27:01,965 --> 00:27:06,565 Speaker 1: some really good stuff behind it. Be right back. Because 524 00:27:06,605 --> 00:27:13,925 Speaker 1: you're an industry now, everything comes from you, there's a 525 00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:18,605 Speaker 1: lot of pressure on you to keep going to reinvent. 526 00:27:19,645 --> 00:27:23,965 Speaker 1: Do you sometimes feel like you're coming close to being 527 00:27:24,045 --> 00:27:27,445 Speaker 1: burnt out or not wanting to go on or pivot 528 00:27:27,525 --> 00:27:29,205 Speaker 1: into some other area. 529 00:27:29,685 --> 00:27:32,965 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely do have times where I'm just have, 530 00:27:33,245 --> 00:27:35,045 Speaker 4: you know, a full mental be and I'm like, I'm 531 00:27:35,085 --> 00:27:36,885 Speaker 4: fucking done, I'm doing something else. 532 00:27:37,485 --> 00:27:39,445 Speaker 3: But I don't think. 533 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:43,285 Speaker 4: I'll ever change being a sex oker, like for now, 534 00:27:43,365 --> 00:27:45,525 Speaker 4: because I just I love I do love what I 535 00:27:45,565 --> 00:27:46,885 Speaker 4: do and I love. 536 00:27:47,685 --> 00:27:50,245 Speaker 3: I love the freedom that it gives you to be 537 00:27:50,325 --> 00:27:51,565 Speaker 3: able to change and adapt. 538 00:27:52,005 --> 00:27:53,725 Speaker 4: So you know, if I was like, nah, I'm done 539 00:27:53,765 --> 00:27:55,605 Speaker 4: with in person, I don't want to do it anymore. 540 00:27:55,885 --> 00:27:58,485 Speaker 3: You know, I have other avenues where I can go to. 541 00:27:59,005 --> 00:28:02,845 Speaker 1: Now, I imagine that when you go to make people 542 00:28:02,885 --> 00:28:07,525 Speaker 1: in person, that you've got a different status now. So 543 00:28:07,565 --> 00:28:12,205 Speaker 1: it's almost like, you know, you getting the call ups 544 00:28:12,205 --> 00:28:15,005 Speaker 1: from celebrities to you know, fly to La or whatever. 545 00:28:15,725 --> 00:28:17,605 Speaker 2: Who wants that? By the way, I know you're not 546 00:28:17,605 --> 00:28:19,565 Speaker 2: going to do who was I mean. 547 00:28:21,845 --> 00:28:23,045 Speaker 3: Unto NDA's I can't. 548 00:28:23,125 --> 00:28:26,725 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of people with a 549 00:28:26,765 --> 00:28:27,925 Speaker 4: lot of people have guessed it. 550 00:28:28,365 --> 00:28:29,485 Speaker 3: Let's just say that. 551 00:28:30,165 --> 00:28:31,525 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go and read it. 552 00:28:33,205 --> 00:28:35,965 Speaker 4: But I had that, I guess like before the TikTok, 553 00:28:36,565 --> 00:28:40,205 Speaker 4: you know, the celebs and stuff, so that was pretty 554 00:28:40,205 --> 00:28:43,245 Speaker 4: normal to me, and like I guess like when you 555 00:28:43,325 --> 00:28:46,285 Speaker 4: meet them, you're like, oh, that's just like a normal person, 556 00:28:46,485 --> 00:28:46,965 Speaker 4: Like it's so. 557 00:28:47,045 --> 00:28:51,365 Speaker 1: Fine, yes, But now my point is that now when 558 00:28:51,485 --> 00:28:56,445 Speaker 1: people meet you, you are the celebrity to them. 559 00:28:56,445 --> 00:28:57,245 Speaker 3: Gotcha? Gotcha. 560 00:28:57,325 --> 00:28:58,885 Speaker 1: So there are guys that are like I want to 561 00:28:58,885 --> 00:29:02,605 Speaker 1: be with Kaylage i'd get your status, your power in 562 00:29:02,725 --> 00:29:05,005 Speaker 1: relation to them has shifted. 563 00:29:05,525 --> 00:29:09,885 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so in some ways, I still normal, 564 00:29:10,005 --> 00:29:12,365 Speaker 4: So I just feel my regular self. 565 00:29:13,045 --> 00:29:16,005 Speaker 1: No, No, But what I mean is that if there 566 00:29:16,005 --> 00:29:20,645 Speaker 1: are things that boundaries that you don't want cross, or 567 00:29:20,965 --> 00:29:24,085 Speaker 1: things that you might find degrading or whatever, are they 568 00:29:24,205 --> 00:29:27,245 Speaker 1: less likely now to kind of try and breach that 569 00:29:27,725 --> 00:29:29,205 Speaker 1: because they're with you. 570 00:29:29,965 --> 00:29:32,805 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would say so. Yeah, I've always been 571 00:29:32,845 --> 00:29:37,725 Speaker 4: pretty strong in my boundaries. You know, obviously apart from 572 00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:41,525 Speaker 4: it some circumstances that were out of my control. But yeah, 573 00:29:41,525 --> 00:29:44,525 Speaker 4: I would guess now that I have a bigger name, 574 00:29:44,565 --> 00:29:48,525 Speaker 4: people would be more careful of, you know, the way 575 00:29:48,605 --> 00:29:52,005 Speaker 4: they interact around me. I guess before, you know, when 576 00:29:52,045 --> 00:29:55,005 Speaker 4: I had like a small profile, you know, people probably 577 00:29:55,045 --> 00:29:57,325 Speaker 4: thought they could take more advantage or things like that. 578 00:29:57,525 --> 00:30:01,445 Speaker 4: But I've always been pretty careful with like where I 579 00:30:01,485 --> 00:30:03,205 Speaker 4: put myself in situations. 580 00:30:03,925 --> 00:30:08,765 Speaker 1: Are the situations you've been in where you've thought I 581 00:30:08,805 --> 00:30:09,565 Speaker 1: don't want this. 582 00:30:10,885 --> 00:30:14,965 Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, Yeah, And that's just you know, it's just 583 00:30:15,005 --> 00:30:15,765 Speaker 4: a learning curve. 584 00:30:15,925 --> 00:30:17,245 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had. 585 00:30:17,485 --> 00:30:22,845 Speaker 4: Situations where, yeah, I like, honestly like the the people 586 00:30:22,925 --> 00:30:27,285 Speaker 4: have taken advantage of the situation. And that's the unfortunate 587 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:31,765 Speaker 4: thing about even only fans, is that anyone can become 588 00:30:31,765 --> 00:30:35,605 Speaker 4: a creator, you know, and if they have their camera right, 589 00:30:35,645 --> 00:30:39,245 Speaker 4: if they have like the setup, they can hire the 590 00:30:39,285 --> 00:30:43,645 Speaker 4: big names, you know, they can create a platform like 591 00:30:43,685 --> 00:30:48,445 Speaker 4: a predator can easily create a platform. So I guess 592 00:30:48,445 --> 00:30:51,965 Speaker 4: the biggest thing is just finding friends in the industry 593 00:30:52,045 --> 00:30:53,405 Speaker 4: and checking references. 594 00:30:53,925 --> 00:30:54,965 Speaker 3: That's the biggest thing. 595 00:30:55,325 --> 00:30:59,805 Speaker 1: You know, your ex who you seem to have quite 596 00:30:59,845 --> 00:31:04,445 Speaker 1: a harmonious relationship with, and he's you've said, the primary 597 00:31:04,565 --> 00:31:09,805 Speaker 1: maybe a care giver to the kids when you first 598 00:31:09,845 --> 00:31:12,605 Speaker 1: started doing sex work, and obviously you're the mother of 599 00:31:12,645 --> 00:31:16,245 Speaker 1: his kids. Was he a bit territorial about you then? 600 00:31:16,445 --> 00:31:20,085 Speaker 1: Was he uncertain about the path? Was he worried about 601 00:31:20,125 --> 00:31:21,965 Speaker 1: the kids, the effect on the kids? 602 00:31:22,365 --> 00:31:24,645 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like he's a smart cookie. So it was 603 00:31:24,725 --> 00:31:30,045 Speaker 4: definitely discussing with me all sorts of you know, the issues, 604 00:31:30,085 --> 00:31:31,285 Speaker 4: like where they could be issues. 605 00:31:32,165 --> 00:31:33,525 Speaker 3: We talked about it a lot. 606 00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:38,645 Speaker 4: But because we had both had we had kids very young, 607 00:31:39,365 --> 00:31:43,565 Speaker 4: and from the get go we said that like, if 608 00:31:43,565 --> 00:31:45,965 Speaker 4: it wasn't going to work out, we're just gonna you know, 609 00:31:46,045 --> 00:31:49,205 Speaker 4: stick together, be like good friends for the kids. Because 610 00:31:50,725 --> 00:31:52,565 Speaker 4: we both love them so much that we could not 611 00:31:52,685 --> 00:31:55,325 Speaker 4: do fifty to fifty. There's just like a no, no, 612 00:31:55,405 --> 00:31:57,685 Speaker 4: we just want to all both have them full time. 613 00:31:57,845 --> 00:32:00,125 Speaker 4: So we were like we're going to stick this out 614 00:32:00,205 --> 00:32:04,245 Speaker 4: whether we're together or not. And there was some like 615 00:32:04,365 --> 00:32:09,045 Speaker 4: worries with him at the start, but I feel like 616 00:32:09,565 --> 00:32:12,285 Speaker 4: he had faith with me, Like I feel like he 617 00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:15,365 Speaker 4: knew that I would do well through this, so you know, 618 00:32:15,765 --> 00:32:18,125 Speaker 4: he put the faith in me and it paid off 619 00:32:18,165 --> 00:32:25,085 Speaker 4: because now he can just work for me, which is great. Yeah, 620 00:32:25,205 --> 00:32:27,125 Speaker 4: I mean that's what he's always wanted to be, a straight. 621 00:32:26,925 --> 00:32:29,205 Speaker 3: Home dad, and like we made that life. 622 00:32:29,245 --> 00:32:32,245 Speaker 4: So yeah, a lot of people don't, like they kind 623 00:32:32,285 --> 00:32:35,285 Speaker 4: of questioned them, they like they don't understand the relationship. 624 00:32:35,325 --> 00:32:39,525 Speaker 4: But it's like we're both just so chill that we 625 00:32:39,605 --> 00:32:42,125 Speaker 4: just don't care, Like we're just we're just so happy 626 00:32:43,125 --> 00:32:45,925 Speaker 4: being around, Like we don't fight. We're like we're not together. 627 00:32:46,725 --> 00:32:49,205 Speaker 4: We we thought more when we were together, but now 628 00:32:49,245 --> 00:32:53,285 Speaker 4: that that sort of pressure has gone, we just become 629 00:32:53,565 --> 00:32:54,805 Speaker 4: close friends. 630 00:32:54,405 --> 00:32:56,685 Speaker 3: And we're we work together well. 631 00:32:56,765 --> 00:32:59,365 Speaker 4: Like, you know, if I ever have a situation where 632 00:32:59,405 --> 00:33:02,485 Speaker 4: I'm like this thing happened and like I don't know 633 00:33:02,525 --> 00:33:05,165 Speaker 4: what to do, and because I've had times where you know, 634 00:33:05,165 --> 00:33:07,725 Speaker 4: I started sex work and you know, people have like 635 00:33:07,765 --> 00:33:08,205 Speaker 4: owed me. 636 00:33:08,165 --> 00:33:10,765 Speaker 3: Money and stuff, and like he's just always sort of 637 00:33:10,765 --> 00:33:11,125 Speaker 3: it for me. 638 00:33:11,285 --> 00:33:14,285 Speaker 4: It's just like he's a blessing. Yeah, I couldn't have 639 00:33:14,365 --> 00:33:15,205 Speaker 4: done it without him. 640 00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:19,525 Speaker 1: So and has he repartnered or is that a possibility 641 00:33:19,605 --> 00:33:20,885 Speaker 1: for him? 642 00:33:20,925 --> 00:33:21,885 Speaker 3: Not at the stage. 643 00:33:23,245 --> 00:33:26,325 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're both open, like he can go see whoever 644 00:33:26,325 --> 00:33:30,325 Speaker 4: he wants or whatever. But we're just both at the 645 00:33:30,325 --> 00:33:32,525 Speaker 4: time of our lives where we don't want a relationship, 646 00:33:32,685 --> 00:33:35,405 Speaker 4: Like we both have been in a lot. 647 00:33:35,285 --> 00:33:38,685 Speaker 3: Of relationships throughout our lives, so we're just focused on 648 00:33:38,725 --> 00:33:40,085 Speaker 3: the kids at the moment, you know. 649 00:33:41,245 --> 00:33:45,205 Speaker 1: And also, you know, speaking of being healthy, you've been 650 00:33:45,285 --> 00:33:49,045 Speaker 1: very open about your BBL surgeries, both of them. Yes, 651 00:33:49,805 --> 00:33:56,245 Speaker 1: one story is so horrific. It basically, hmm, is how 652 00:33:56,325 --> 00:33:59,725 Speaker 1: you nearly died, which I don't know if you realized 653 00:33:59,765 --> 00:34:02,565 Speaker 1: it at the time, but listening to you tell it, 654 00:34:02,565 --> 00:34:04,525 Speaker 1: it's like you could have died in Turkey. 655 00:34:05,405 --> 00:34:07,005 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah. 656 00:34:07,085 --> 00:34:11,485 Speaker 4: I went through everyone's worst nightmare of literally waking up 657 00:34:11,565 --> 00:34:15,125 Speaker 4: on the operating table and while they're operating on me, 658 00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:19,525 Speaker 4: not being able to move, being paralyzed, but feeling everything 659 00:34:20,445 --> 00:34:23,805 Speaker 4: and just being just feeling the tears run down my. 660 00:34:23,805 --> 00:34:27,005 Speaker 3: Face but not being able to do anything. It was terrific. 661 00:34:27,285 --> 00:34:32,845 Speaker 1: Yeah, and every aspect of it. It was botched. You 662 00:34:32,965 --> 00:34:36,805 Speaker 1: had an encounterdown nurse that he was groping you and 663 00:34:36,845 --> 00:34:40,685 Speaker 1: trying to kiss you. In the lift, they put you 664 00:34:40,765 --> 00:34:42,765 Speaker 1: on your bum when you're not supposed to be on 665 00:34:42,805 --> 00:34:44,045 Speaker 1: your bums straight after. 666 00:34:45,085 --> 00:34:46,685 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so it was. 667 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:49,605 Speaker 4: It was a time where I didn't have like I 668 00:34:49,885 --> 00:34:51,805 Speaker 4: just sat her in the fans. I didn't have much money, 669 00:34:52,285 --> 00:34:54,565 Speaker 4: and I'd heard that people were getting these BBOs in 670 00:34:54,605 --> 00:34:57,645 Speaker 4: Turkey for like, you know, fifteen grand, ten grands. I 671 00:34:57,685 --> 00:34:59,125 Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, I'm going to do that. 672 00:34:59,925 --> 00:35:03,365 Speaker 4: So my impulsive self booked that in. I found a place. 673 00:35:03,405 --> 00:35:05,765 Speaker 4: We were talking on WhatsApp and they seemed great, like 674 00:35:05,805 --> 00:35:08,685 Speaker 4: the English was incredible. I was sending them before and 675 00:35:08,725 --> 00:35:10,685 Speaker 4: after photo and they were like, yeah, you're such a 676 00:35:10,685 --> 00:35:13,165 Speaker 4: good candidate. So I was like, okay, I'm going to 677 00:35:13,245 --> 00:35:17,205 Speaker 4: do it and went over to Turkey and just immediately 678 00:35:17,805 --> 00:35:20,765 Speaker 4: when they picked me up, like no one could speak English. 679 00:35:21,045 --> 00:35:22,925 Speaker 3: I didn't know what was going on. Like they were 680 00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:23,445 Speaker 3: taking me. 681 00:35:23,405 --> 00:35:26,525 Speaker 4: To all sorts of different hospitals and like no one 682 00:35:26,565 --> 00:35:29,005 Speaker 4: could no one could tell me what was going on. 683 00:35:29,125 --> 00:35:31,325 Speaker 4: Like they were trying to find the doctor and they 684 00:35:31,365 --> 00:35:32,125 Speaker 4: couldn't find. 685 00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:33,645 Speaker 3: Him, and it was a mess. 686 00:35:34,645 --> 00:35:37,365 Speaker 4: Eventually, when they did find the doctor, as soon as 687 00:35:37,365 --> 00:35:38,965 Speaker 4: he saw me, he was like, oh, you don't have 688 00:35:39,085 --> 00:35:40,685 Speaker 4: enough fat to get the surgery, and. 689 00:35:40,645 --> 00:35:45,445 Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I do. I have been like eating. 690 00:35:45,165 --> 00:35:48,325 Speaker 4: Like five thousand calories a day for the past six 691 00:35:48,405 --> 00:35:50,285 Speaker 4: months to gain weight for this BBL. 692 00:35:50,405 --> 00:35:51,925 Speaker 3: I know I have enough fat. 693 00:35:52,125 --> 00:35:56,765 Speaker 4: I've seen much skinnier girls get good bbls. 694 00:35:56,285 --> 00:35:58,285 Speaker 3: So but I mean I was there. I was like, 695 00:35:58,365 --> 00:35:59,645 Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the surgery. 696 00:36:00,885 --> 00:36:04,525 Speaker 4: So I went under, and yeah, I woke up on 697 00:36:04,605 --> 00:36:05,565 Speaker 4: the operating table. 698 00:36:06,285 --> 00:36:08,205 Speaker 3: Could feel so they used this. 699 00:36:08,205 --> 00:36:10,925 Speaker 4: Like metal rod to like get because they take the 700 00:36:10,965 --> 00:36:13,165 Speaker 4: fat out from like your stomach, your back and put 701 00:36:13,205 --> 00:36:13,925 Speaker 4: it in your butt. 702 00:36:15,045 --> 00:36:17,045 Speaker 3: I just feel like getting sucked out of me. 703 00:36:17,165 --> 00:36:20,845 Speaker 4: It was just like burning, like this fact getting sucked 704 00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:21,725 Speaker 4: out of my stomach. 705 00:36:22,125 --> 00:36:22,965 Speaker 3: It was nasty. 706 00:36:23,725 --> 00:36:25,965 Speaker 4: And then just woke up and I was just like 707 00:36:26,565 --> 00:36:32,125 Speaker 4: vomiting blood like everything, Like my body was just malfunctioning, 708 00:36:32,205 --> 00:36:35,685 Speaker 4: like it just wasn't coping with the stress it's been 709 00:36:35,805 --> 00:36:39,485 Speaker 4: under and yeah, but then you know, the next day 710 00:36:39,685 --> 00:36:44,885 Speaker 4: literally assaulted by a male nurse while I was getting changed, 711 00:36:44,925 --> 00:36:46,125 Speaker 4: well he was getting. 712 00:36:45,845 --> 00:36:46,605 Speaker 3: He was changing me. 713 00:36:47,645 --> 00:36:51,325 Speaker 4: And like in that like I think back to the 714 00:36:51,525 --> 00:36:54,885 Speaker 4: state that I was in, Like while that was happening, 715 00:36:55,525 --> 00:36:57,325 Speaker 4: I was not even a person, Like. 716 00:36:57,245 --> 00:37:00,605 Speaker 3: I was not. I wasn't like I couldn't talk, couldn't 717 00:37:00,645 --> 00:37:01,245 Speaker 3: do anything. 718 00:37:01,485 --> 00:37:05,685 Speaker 4: And that happened, and I'm just like, imagine what else 719 00:37:06,045 --> 00:37:08,805 Speaker 4: this guy has put people through. And then like cause 720 00:37:08,845 --> 00:37:13,725 Speaker 4: you we're like this compression suits because like obviously your 721 00:37:13,805 --> 00:37:15,925 Speaker 4: skin's just being ripped off the fat so it needs 722 00:37:15,965 --> 00:37:17,525 Speaker 4: to start to attach again. 723 00:37:17,605 --> 00:37:19,725 Speaker 3: So you're wearing this compression suit. 724 00:37:20,285 --> 00:37:23,845 Speaker 4: And you have to get these lymphatic drainage massages because 725 00:37:23,925 --> 00:37:27,125 Speaker 4: you just swell up so much. So when I took 726 00:37:27,285 --> 00:37:30,325 Speaker 4: the far off, which is the suit, like I saw 727 00:37:30,525 --> 00:37:35,485 Speaker 4: my body and I was like, it looks basically exactly 728 00:37:35,525 --> 00:37:35,925 Speaker 4: the same. 729 00:37:36,565 --> 00:37:38,445 Speaker 3: So it was like, oh, when I. 730 00:37:38,405 --> 00:37:41,445 Speaker 4: Saw that surgeon, he was like, oh, you know, you're 731 00:37:41,445 --> 00:37:42,925 Speaker 4: not going to get the results you want. It was 732 00:37:42,925 --> 00:37:45,925 Speaker 4: like he was just setting me up for me to 733 00:37:45,965 --> 00:37:48,245 Speaker 4: be like, oh, well, he said that I wasn't going 734 00:37:48,285 --> 00:37:49,845 Speaker 4: to get the result I wanted, So I guess this 735 00:37:49,885 --> 00:37:50,405 Speaker 4: is it. 736 00:37:51,765 --> 00:37:56,725 Speaker 3: And the fat that did like was that they did transfer. 737 00:37:57,085 --> 00:38:01,245 Speaker 4: Within a couple months, it was gone. Because if you 738 00:38:01,325 --> 00:38:03,085 Speaker 4: take the fat out of your body and you don't 739 00:38:03,125 --> 00:38:06,165 Speaker 4: purify it properly, they have to do this purifying process. 740 00:38:06,965 --> 00:38:09,925 Speaker 3: If that isn't done properly, the fat's going to immediately die. 741 00:38:10,405 --> 00:38:11,725 Speaker 3: And because they had I. 742 00:38:11,725 --> 00:38:15,165 Speaker 4: Woken up on my back, my b sitting on my butt, 743 00:38:15,845 --> 00:38:17,485 Speaker 4: that's going to kill the fat cells as well. So 744 00:38:17,485 --> 00:38:20,605 Speaker 4: there was just no chance of survival. So yeah, within 745 00:38:20,645 --> 00:38:23,285 Speaker 4: a few months, I was back to back to my 746 00:38:23,325 --> 00:38:26,525 Speaker 4: normal self, which was really frustrating. 747 00:38:26,685 --> 00:38:30,845 Speaker 1: But a bit traumatized by the physical experience a little 748 00:38:30,845 --> 00:38:34,645 Speaker 1: bit a bit more traumatized, yes, yeah, and then you 749 00:38:34,805 --> 00:38:37,525 Speaker 1: had a reconstructive Yeah. 750 00:38:37,565 --> 00:38:41,205 Speaker 4: So I went to see an Australian surgeon like a 751 00:38:41,325 --> 00:38:44,405 Speaker 4: year after to get it revised and he just said 752 00:38:44,485 --> 00:38:45,325 Speaker 4: he just couldn't believe it. 753 00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:48,525 Speaker 3: He looked at my back and he was like, they've literally. 754 00:38:48,085 --> 00:38:50,725 Speaker 4: Taken just chunks of fat out of your back, Like 755 00:38:50,805 --> 00:38:54,925 Speaker 4: this is crazy. So he went in and like fixed 756 00:38:54,965 --> 00:38:58,045 Speaker 4: it up for me and made sure a result good 757 00:38:58,045 --> 00:39:00,005 Speaker 4: and then now I'm so happy with the results. 758 00:39:00,005 --> 00:39:05,205 Speaker 1: So the experience of that, because you seem somewhat won 759 00:39:05,325 --> 00:39:08,165 Speaker 1: with your body now and at ease with your body. 760 00:39:09,605 --> 00:39:12,685 Speaker 1: Was the experience of that part of that process. 761 00:39:13,525 --> 00:39:16,805 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think back to when I got my BBL, 762 00:39:16,885 --> 00:39:22,045 Speaker 4: and I was still so unhappy, like I was as 763 00:39:22,085 --> 00:39:25,285 Speaker 4: soon as I got the BBL, I was like, what's 764 00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:28,285 Speaker 4: my next surgery. It's like when you start having surgery, 765 00:39:28,445 --> 00:39:30,925 Speaker 4: it plays with your mind and then you start looking 766 00:39:30,925 --> 00:39:32,685 Speaker 4: in the mirror and like, oh I could tweet that, 767 00:39:32,965 --> 00:39:35,725 Speaker 4: I could tweet that I could move this here, Like. 768 00:39:36,525 --> 00:39:39,405 Speaker 3: It just messes you up so much. 769 00:39:40,125 --> 00:39:43,805 Speaker 4: And I think now like I'm the happiest that I've 770 00:39:43,885 --> 00:39:47,405 Speaker 4: been and I don't think about surgery, I don't think 771 00:39:47,405 --> 00:39:50,685 Speaker 4: about botox, I don't think about anything because I'm just 772 00:39:51,325 --> 00:39:53,885 Speaker 4: so much happier. So I think for me, I just 773 00:39:53,965 --> 00:39:57,325 Speaker 4: really needed to find my happiness and who I was, 774 00:39:57,405 --> 00:40:00,605 Speaker 4: because I guess throughout my life, I was always being like, Okay, 775 00:40:00,645 --> 00:40:02,965 Speaker 4: if I get a surgery, then I'll be happy, or 776 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:05,725 Speaker 4: if I if I have this eating disorder, then I'll 777 00:40:05,765 --> 00:40:07,845 Speaker 4: be happy, Like I was always sort of masking it. 778 00:40:08,245 --> 00:40:10,885 Speaker 4: And it wasn't until I just like I guess, found 779 00:40:10,925 --> 00:40:13,965 Speaker 4: my true self that I've sort of let that go 780 00:40:14,285 --> 00:40:17,285 Speaker 4: and be like you know, that's not the most important 781 00:40:17,285 --> 00:40:17,885 Speaker 4: thing anymore. 782 00:40:18,245 --> 00:40:21,725 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the goal, isn't it. Yeah, But often people 783 00:40:21,725 --> 00:40:23,925 Speaker 1: can get bulged in, like you said, that cycle of 784 00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:29,965 Speaker 1: oh this will fix me and working externally and thinking, especially. 785 00:40:29,565 --> 00:40:33,205 Speaker 4: In this industry, because you know, like you're around a 786 00:40:33,205 --> 00:40:35,725 Speaker 4: lot of girls and all the girls are getting surgery. 787 00:40:35,765 --> 00:40:38,005 Speaker 3: You know, they got money, they're getting surgery, They're. 788 00:40:37,885 --> 00:40:41,325 Speaker 4: Getting this tweak because you're relying on your pearents for money. 789 00:40:41,885 --> 00:40:44,325 Speaker 4: So as soon as you feel like something that needs 790 00:40:44,325 --> 00:40:47,725 Speaker 4: to change, your first thought is surgery because everyone around 791 00:40:47,765 --> 00:40:49,885 Speaker 4: you is getting surgery and you're talking about it. 792 00:40:49,925 --> 00:40:55,005 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I really needed to like step out of. 793 00:40:54,925 --> 00:40:57,645 Speaker 4: That sort of because I felt like I was just 794 00:40:57,685 --> 00:41:00,885 Speaker 4: around girls that were like talking about this stuff and it. 795 00:41:00,925 --> 00:41:04,005 Speaker 3: Was just triggering that back in me. So I was 796 00:41:04,085 --> 00:41:07,125 Speaker 3: just like, I need to take a step back. 797 00:41:06,965 --> 00:41:09,765 Speaker 4: From that and just you know, be around people who 798 00:41:11,045 --> 00:41:15,685 Speaker 4: are not so like surgery focused and image focused. And 799 00:41:16,645 --> 00:41:19,725 Speaker 4: now like I found my girls in this industry and 800 00:41:19,765 --> 00:41:22,805 Speaker 4: we are just like we're best of friends and you know, 801 00:41:22,885 --> 00:41:24,285 Speaker 4: we just love and support each other. 802 00:41:24,405 --> 00:41:25,845 Speaker 3: And yeah, even though. 803 00:41:25,765 --> 00:41:28,325 Speaker 4: It's not like a big group, now I've just found 804 00:41:28,325 --> 00:41:30,205 Speaker 4: my people and you know, I'm happy. 805 00:41:30,285 --> 00:41:35,685 Speaker 1: So yeah, many industries and probably more than some, there's 806 00:41:36,125 --> 00:41:38,805 Speaker 1: people that don't always want the best for you, that 807 00:41:38,965 --> 00:41:43,565 Speaker 1: may be motivated by envy or jealousy or competition. How 808 00:41:43,565 --> 00:41:46,565 Speaker 1: did you find your your girlies? 809 00:41:48,125 --> 00:41:48,845 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just. 810 00:41:48,805 --> 00:41:53,605 Speaker 4: Happened like naturally through because obviously when I started OnlyFans, 811 00:41:53,725 --> 00:41:57,125 Speaker 4: I was collabing with a lot of girls, and I 812 00:41:57,245 --> 00:41:59,725 Speaker 4: just found a couple that as soon as we met, 813 00:41:59,765 --> 00:42:03,845 Speaker 4: we just clicked straight away. And then you know, I 814 00:42:03,885 --> 00:42:08,205 Speaker 4: stopped really doing collabs and distanced myself from you know, 815 00:42:08,285 --> 00:42:10,605 Speaker 4: some people in the industry and I just stuck to 816 00:42:10,645 --> 00:42:14,205 Speaker 4: my own and was like, I'm happy here, and yeah. 817 00:42:13,845 --> 00:42:16,725 Speaker 1: Hey, Kayla, what's a collab? By the way, is it 818 00:42:16,845 --> 00:42:20,685 Speaker 1: I imagined? Is it two of you or whatever having 819 00:42:20,845 --> 00:42:23,645 Speaker 1: sex or doing a show or Yeah. 820 00:42:23,685 --> 00:42:26,645 Speaker 4: So you're arranged to meet with like another content creator, 821 00:42:27,245 --> 00:42:28,205 Speaker 4: and you set a date. 822 00:42:28,325 --> 00:42:29,685 Speaker 3: You get like, you know. 823 00:42:29,965 --> 00:42:34,045 Speaker 4: Test you have to be tested STI tests within two weeks, 824 00:42:34,965 --> 00:42:38,045 Speaker 4: You sign consent forms. There's like a lot of process 825 00:42:38,165 --> 00:42:41,885 Speaker 4: to it, and then you meet up with them, whether 826 00:42:41,925 --> 00:42:43,925 Speaker 4: it's at you know, a house or like a hotel 827 00:42:44,005 --> 00:42:47,485 Speaker 4: or whatever, and you get socials so like you know, 828 00:42:48,085 --> 00:42:51,965 Speaker 4: pictures or reels or tiktoks or whatever for the social media, 829 00:42:52,485 --> 00:42:55,285 Speaker 4: and then yeah, you'll do a scene, which is whether 830 00:42:55,325 --> 00:42:58,845 Speaker 4: it's girl girl, boy girl, it depends, like whatever you're 831 00:42:58,845 --> 00:42:59,405 Speaker 4: comfortable with. 832 00:42:59,485 --> 00:43:03,325 Speaker 1: I guess in the scale of what you've achieved so far, 833 00:43:03,965 --> 00:43:07,525 Speaker 1: just if you're going to talk about the sex worker space, 834 00:43:09,005 --> 00:43:11,965 Speaker 1: what do you still hope to achieve? 835 00:43:12,765 --> 00:43:17,525 Speaker 4: Mm, I guess because obviously now like a lot of 836 00:43:17,645 --> 00:43:21,125 Speaker 4: brands are working with me as a sex worker, which 837 00:43:21,165 --> 00:43:23,405 Speaker 4: is crazy because that's just like unheard of. 838 00:43:24,205 --> 00:43:26,565 Speaker 3: So I guess for me, I would just love to either. 839 00:43:26,365 --> 00:43:31,365 Speaker 4: Like create a product or like an organization to help people. 840 00:43:31,645 --> 00:43:34,805 Speaker 4: Like I love giving back, Like my love language is giving, 841 00:43:34,885 --> 00:43:38,365 Speaker 4: so I'm always like sending stuff to charity wherever I can. 842 00:43:38,885 --> 00:43:40,965 Speaker 4: So I would just love to, yeah, sort of build 843 00:43:41,085 --> 00:43:44,325 Speaker 4: something unrelated but related in a. 844 00:43:44,245 --> 00:43:46,885 Speaker 2: Way, and like in what sort of space. 845 00:43:47,085 --> 00:43:51,285 Speaker 3: Depends really we'll see it when it comes. 846 00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:53,885 Speaker 2: In the sex workers space or yeah. 847 00:43:53,725 --> 00:43:56,405 Speaker 4: I guess like either you know, making a product that 848 00:43:56,485 --> 00:44:01,125 Speaker 4: you know help like survival sex workers or something. Yeah, 849 00:44:01,125 --> 00:44:03,125 Speaker 4: I would love to do something like that in the future. 850 00:44:03,725 --> 00:44:06,605 Speaker 4: But for me, like sex work will just always be 851 00:44:06,685 --> 00:44:07,205 Speaker 4: sex work. 852 00:44:07,325 --> 00:44:09,285 Speaker 3: It will either be will either be more in love 853 00:44:09,925 --> 00:44:13,485 Speaker 3: more on person, So just really depends on my mood. 854 00:44:17,805 --> 00:44:21,685 Speaker 1: After the break, the moment we have all been waiting for. 855 00:44:22,685 --> 00:44:30,005 Speaker 1: Who is and who isn't Peggy Sue. We talked about 856 00:44:30,045 --> 00:44:34,365 Speaker 1: the importance of the financial freedom and stuff, but when 857 00:44:34,365 --> 00:44:36,405 Speaker 1: you were talking before, it occurred to me that there's 858 00:44:37,005 --> 00:44:42,125 Speaker 1: possibly another aspect to it. How that in the work 859 00:44:42,165 --> 00:44:45,685 Speaker 1: that you do, there's like a lot of validation, like 860 00:44:45,725 --> 00:44:50,325 Speaker 1: a lot of physical validation. When you want to move 861 00:44:50,365 --> 00:44:55,925 Speaker 1: away from that and into, you know, having a romantic partner, 862 00:44:56,245 --> 00:44:57,925 Speaker 1: which he said is not you can't do it at 863 00:44:57,925 --> 00:44:59,765 Speaker 1: the same time as sex work, or you don't want to. 864 00:45:00,525 --> 00:45:02,805 Speaker 1: How do you know that you won't be hooked on 865 00:45:02,885 --> 00:45:05,325 Speaker 1: that because a lot of people would be hooked on 866 00:45:05,365 --> 00:45:06,125 Speaker 1: the compliments. 867 00:45:06,565 --> 00:45:09,005 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's like the you know, surgery thing 868 00:45:09,045 --> 00:45:12,045 Speaker 4: in a way, like you sort of learn. Well, I 869 00:45:12,125 --> 00:45:14,725 Speaker 4: know that I've learned, like throughout my time to love 870 00:45:14,765 --> 00:45:18,125 Speaker 4: myself more, and now that I have that sort of 871 00:45:18,165 --> 00:45:21,925 Speaker 4: love for myself, like I don't necessarily rely on the 872 00:45:22,005 --> 00:45:23,805 Speaker 4: validation anymore, whereas I used. 873 00:45:23,645 --> 00:45:25,645 Speaker 3: To rely on so much. 874 00:45:26,325 --> 00:45:27,885 Speaker 4: But now I feel like I'm just in a point 875 00:45:27,885 --> 00:45:30,325 Speaker 4: in my life where I could take it or leave 876 00:45:30,365 --> 00:45:32,925 Speaker 4: it if it all ended tomorrow, Like I would be 877 00:45:32,965 --> 00:45:36,165 Speaker 4: okay with that, you know, as long as I've set 878 00:45:36,205 --> 00:45:37,125 Speaker 4: myself up enough. 879 00:45:37,965 --> 00:45:39,885 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't really rely on it anymore. 880 00:45:40,165 --> 00:45:42,605 Speaker 4: But it's not something that I'm like, oh, I did 881 00:45:42,605 --> 00:45:45,485 Speaker 4: this and this is why I changed. It just sort 882 00:45:45,525 --> 00:45:49,485 Speaker 4: of adapted over time, and I guess as I got 883 00:45:49,525 --> 00:45:54,005 Speaker 4: older and as I sort of realized, like the relationships 884 00:45:54,045 --> 00:45:56,685 Speaker 4: around me, you know, care more to me, like than. 885 00:45:58,565 --> 00:46:01,885 Speaker 3: You know, the online stuff or whatever. I think. Yeah, 886 00:46:01,885 --> 00:46:03,805 Speaker 3: I think I just changed over time. 887 00:46:04,485 --> 00:46:06,165 Speaker 1: Was Peggy Sue paid a Dunton? 888 00:46:09,485 --> 00:46:12,165 Speaker 3: I can neither confirm with Deny now. No, he wasn't. 889 00:46:12,405 --> 00:46:16,925 Speaker 3: He wasn't. I that was ever d into. 890 00:46:17,325 --> 00:46:19,845 Speaker 2: I don't want to get suit so random. 891 00:46:20,165 --> 00:46:23,845 Speaker 1: It's so random and yet in a really strange sort 892 00:46:23,845 --> 00:46:28,045 Speaker 1: of way, I think it played a part in affecting 893 00:46:28,085 --> 00:46:33,885 Speaker 1: the outcome of an election. Yeah that's crazy. 894 00:46:34,205 --> 00:46:38,805 Speaker 3: Sorry about that, Peter Daddat, But yeah, I know, so 895 00:46:38,885 --> 00:46:42,085 Speaker 3: it's so bizarre. It really, it's just something that it 896 00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,285 Speaker 3: blew up beyond me. 897 00:46:43,605 --> 00:46:46,445 Speaker 4: Like people were talking about the Peggy Sue thing, they 898 00:46:46,445 --> 00:46:48,445 Speaker 4: had no idea who I was, you know, it just 899 00:46:48,485 --> 00:46:49,965 Speaker 4: blew up in its entity. 900 00:46:50,165 --> 00:46:52,285 Speaker 3: Like, but I. 901 00:46:52,165 --> 00:46:54,365 Speaker 4: Didn't like a single comment, like, because you know, I 902 00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:56,765 Speaker 4: didn't want to step on anyone's toes. 903 00:46:56,805 --> 00:47:00,165 Speaker 3: I didn't want to get taken down because you know. 904 00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:04,965 Speaker 4: If you like, if you were influencing something, they can 905 00:47:05,005 --> 00:47:08,685 Speaker 4: easily you know, send you a season desist or try 906 00:47:08,725 --> 00:47:10,285 Speaker 4: and take down your accounts or something. 907 00:47:10,405 --> 00:47:13,485 Speaker 1: So it was such a strange thing to take flight. 908 00:47:14,245 --> 00:47:17,645 Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, can you explain who 909 00:47:17,725 --> 00:47:18,685 Speaker 1: Peggy Sue is? 910 00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:21,605 Speaker 3: Yeah, So Peggy Sue is a client of mine who likes. 911 00:47:21,485 --> 00:47:24,605 Speaker 4: To get pegged in the butt, which is, you know, 912 00:47:25,005 --> 00:47:27,165 Speaker 4: me putting a strap on, pegging him. 913 00:47:27,045 --> 00:47:29,245 Speaker 3: In the butt. And I just started calling him that 914 00:47:29,245 --> 00:47:31,045 Speaker 3: because I thought it was a funny name for it. 915 00:47:31,045 --> 00:47:32,845 Speaker 3: It's not like I call him that like when I 916 00:47:32,885 --> 00:47:35,045 Speaker 3: see him. He was just like the internet name. 917 00:47:37,805 --> 00:47:39,845 Speaker 1: Does he know you call it? Does he know you 918 00:47:39,885 --> 00:47:41,085 Speaker 1: call him Peggy Sue? 919 00:47:41,245 --> 00:47:42,245 Speaker 3: Oh yeah he knows. 920 00:47:42,325 --> 00:47:45,805 Speaker 4: He religiously sorks my TikTok every time we talk about 921 00:47:45,845 --> 00:47:49,765 Speaker 4: it because he loves like reading comments of people talking 922 00:47:49,765 --> 00:47:52,205 Speaker 4: about him, like he loved it when like the Peter 923 00:47:52,285 --> 00:47:53,165 Speaker 4: Dunnan thing blew. 924 00:47:53,045 --> 00:47:54,805 Speaker 3: Up, like he just loved that. He was just like 925 00:47:54,885 --> 00:47:56,805 Speaker 3: this internet personality. 926 00:47:56,925 --> 00:48:02,285 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he likes a lot of you know, large members. 927 00:48:02,045 --> 00:48:05,325 Speaker 3: And his behind and I would talk about it on 928 00:48:05,365 --> 00:48:05,765 Speaker 3: the internet. 929 00:48:05,805 --> 00:48:08,125 Speaker 4: I would talk about our dates together and you know 930 00:48:08,205 --> 00:48:11,125 Speaker 4: what I was going to rear ending with next, I 931 00:48:11,125 --> 00:48:15,925 Speaker 4: guess and yeah, just it blew up completely, Like every 932 00:48:15,965 --> 00:48:18,765 Speaker 4: time I talked about him, people love to hear it. 933 00:48:18,965 --> 00:48:22,445 Speaker 2: So yeah, and is he okay? 934 00:48:22,485 --> 00:48:25,245 Speaker 1: So I know that you protect the confidentiality of your 935 00:48:25,285 --> 00:48:30,845 Speaker 1: clients obviously respect, but tell us who Peggy su is not? 936 00:48:31,885 --> 00:48:33,685 Speaker 3: Can you do that? Like? 937 00:48:33,885 --> 00:48:34,445 Speaker 1: Is he not? 938 00:48:34,765 --> 00:48:37,565 Speaker 2: He's not a public profile figure. 939 00:48:37,565 --> 00:48:40,885 Speaker 4: He's no, Like a lot of people were guessing, like 940 00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:42,285 Speaker 4: trying to guess who he was. 941 00:48:42,645 --> 00:48:45,285 Speaker 3: And I think if I said who he. 942 00:48:45,525 --> 00:48:48,765 Speaker 4: Was, I don't know if people would be. 943 00:48:49,005 --> 00:48:51,525 Speaker 3: Happy or disappointed, so. 944 00:48:53,005 --> 00:48:57,085 Speaker 4: Like even though obviously well not disappointed, but I guess 945 00:48:57,125 --> 00:48:58,925 Speaker 4: just like, oh, they had this idea of who he 946 00:48:59,005 --> 00:49:03,125 Speaker 4: is in their head and r you know, he's high 947 00:49:03,245 --> 00:49:05,405 Speaker 4: up in his industry, but I wouldn't say he's like 948 00:49:06,005 --> 00:49:10,725 Speaker 4: a personality, so in his industry would be a shock factor, 949 00:49:11,205 --> 00:49:14,245 Speaker 4: but not so much like in everyone's like you know, 950 00:49:14,365 --> 00:49:15,525 Speaker 4: in celebrity culture. 951 00:49:15,605 --> 00:49:23,245 Speaker 1: I guess, well, definitely not. Definitely not Peter Dutton, No, 952 00:49:23,445 --> 00:49:23,885 Speaker 1: I can. 953 00:49:23,765 --> 00:49:27,525 Speaker 3: I can say now, No, Peter It's funny. 954 00:49:27,245 --> 00:49:32,285 Speaker 4: Though, because he got interviewed by two radio show hosts 955 00:49:32,325 --> 00:49:35,725 Speaker 4: and they asked him if he was Peggy Sue and 956 00:49:35,805 --> 00:49:36,925 Speaker 4: he didn't deny her. 957 00:49:37,125 --> 00:49:40,125 Speaker 1: I was like, would he have even known? 958 00:49:40,565 --> 00:49:40,765 Speaker 4: Yeah? 959 00:49:40,805 --> 00:49:41,165 Speaker 3: He did. 960 00:49:41,245 --> 00:49:43,805 Speaker 4: He was like, oh, yeah, I've heard about it because 961 00:49:43,845 --> 00:49:47,205 Speaker 4: everyone was just blasting his comments all on social media. 962 00:49:47,245 --> 00:49:48,765 Speaker 3: Are you Peggy zo? Are you Peggy Zoo? 963 00:49:49,245 --> 00:49:52,965 Speaker 4: So yeah, I like some poor intern probably had some 964 00:49:53,045 --> 00:49:55,485 Speaker 4: more young intern probably had to tell him like what 965 00:49:55,685 --> 00:49:56,365 Speaker 4: was going on? 966 00:49:57,045 --> 00:49:59,085 Speaker 3: But yeah, they asked him and he never denied it. 967 00:49:59,165 --> 00:50:01,085 Speaker 3: I was like, are you serious. 968 00:50:03,005 --> 00:50:05,765 Speaker 4: Maybe he wanted to be, maybe he is an maybe 969 00:50:05,805 --> 00:50:07,165 Speaker 4: he's another sex worker. I don't know. 970 00:50:08,045 --> 00:50:11,165 Speaker 1: Politicians are very poor driven and whatever they think is 971 00:50:11,205 --> 00:50:14,565 Speaker 1: going to work with the electorate, they'll lean into it. 972 00:50:14,925 --> 00:50:18,605 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I think that didn't work in his favor. 973 00:50:18,765 --> 00:50:20,325 Speaker 1: So no, it didn't appear to. 974 00:50:20,885 --> 00:50:23,245 Speaker 3: So I'm happy with that regardless. 975 00:50:23,845 --> 00:50:30,085 Speaker 1: In the spirit of your openness, Kayla, they surely has 976 00:50:30,245 --> 00:50:33,605 Speaker 1: been a post or a story you've recounted or whatever 977 00:50:33,645 --> 00:50:36,485 Speaker 1: that has still given you cause for regret. 978 00:50:37,045 --> 00:50:41,885 Speaker 4: Ah, I want to say regrets. I think I'm very 979 00:50:41,925 --> 00:50:46,965 Speaker 4: careful with what I do post to not try and 980 00:50:47,045 --> 00:50:48,565 Speaker 4: like step on anyone's toes. 981 00:50:48,685 --> 00:50:50,605 Speaker 3: You know, if I did say a story that. 982 00:50:52,205 --> 00:50:55,005 Speaker 4: Was about a client, Like I always make sure that 983 00:50:55,245 --> 00:50:56,605 Speaker 4: i'm I know. 984 00:50:56,565 --> 00:50:58,645 Speaker 3: That if I'm going to post it, is this going 985 00:50:58,685 --> 00:51:01,685 Speaker 3: to cause me drama or is this going to be 986 00:51:01,685 --> 00:51:03,445 Speaker 3: because obviously I talk about a lot. 987 00:51:03,485 --> 00:51:07,405 Speaker 4: I talk about sexual assault from you know, either content 988 00:51:07,445 --> 00:51:12,485 Speaker 4: creators or photographers that I've had, and I blast them 989 00:51:12,805 --> 00:51:15,045 Speaker 4: and like, oh, will only blast you if you're doing 990 00:51:15,045 --> 00:51:19,405 Speaker 4: the wrong thing, which I've had, like people contact me 991 00:51:19,525 --> 00:51:23,965 Speaker 4: because I have talked about those situations and I don't 992 00:51:23,965 --> 00:51:25,965 Speaker 4: feel regrets because if you're going to do something bad, 993 00:51:27,085 --> 00:51:28,725 Speaker 4: the world should know, you know what I mean? 994 00:51:29,405 --> 00:51:30,845 Speaker 1: What did they contact you with? 995 00:51:32,245 --> 00:51:35,885 Speaker 4: I guess like there was one time where I talked 996 00:51:35,885 --> 00:51:40,725 Speaker 4: about a very uncomfortable situation that I had with a photographer. 997 00:51:40,565 --> 00:51:41,605 Speaker 3: Who had booked me. 998 00:51:42,805 --> 00:51:45,405 Speaker 4: So he was a photographer, but he didn't tell me 999 00:51:45,445 --> 00:51:48,925 Speaker 4: he was a photographer. He had booked me for an 1000 00:51:48,925 --> 00:51:52,085 Speaker 4: in person job. And then he just he told me 1001 00:51:52,125 --> 00:51:53,885 Speaker 4: how much he. 1002 00:51:53,925 --> 00:51:55,525 Speaker 3: You know, really liked me, and how. 1003 00:51:55,405 --> 00:51:57,525 Speaker 4: He's been trying to get in contact me with me 1004 00:51:57,605 --> 00:52:01,445 Speaker 4: through his photography page and and just like he was 1005 00:52:01,525 --> 00:52:04,685 Speaker 4: just asking if I could do things like that was 1006 00:52:04,765 --> 00:52:10,525 Speaker 4: just not discuss prior. So I talk about that, and 1007 00:52:10,565 --> 00:52:14,285 Speaker 4: you know, he got upset that I talked about it, 1008 00:52:14,365 --> 00:52:15,325 Speaker 4: and yeah. 1009 00:52:15,925 --> 00:52:16,605 Speaker 3: Is what it is. 1010 00:52:16,805 --> 00:52:19,005 Speaker 4: But I'm like, I don't think there's anything that I 1011 00:52:19,085 --> 00:52:22,765 Speaker 4: regret because I'm very careful with what I talk about 1012 00:52:22,845 --> 00:52:25,285 Speaker 4: and I'm like very strong. 1013 00:52:25,005 --> 00:52:28,245 Speaker 3: In my morals and my values. So I think I. 1014 00:52:28,205 --> 00:52:30,165 Speaker 4: Did get I did get canceled for hanging out with 1015 00:52:30,245 --> 00:52:31,845 Speaker 4: Drake though you. 1016 00:52:32,485 --> 00:52:35,485 Speaker 1: Posted, Oh Drake. 1017 00:52:37,005 --> 00:52:41,205 Speaker 3: Yeah I did. People didn't like that, but I guess, 1018 00:52:41,245 --> 00:52:43,445 Speaker 3: like I just didn't know. 1019 00:52:45,165 --> 00:52:48,725 Speaker 4: His he really had allegations, Like I knew about the 1020 00:52:48,805 --> 00:52:51,405 Speaker 4: song with Kenjit Lamar, but I wasn't very aware of 1021 00:52:51,525 --> 00:52:54,085 Speaker 4: like what had actually been going on. 1022 00:52:55,045 --> 00:52:56,005 Speaker 3: I just invited. 1023 00:52:56,285 --> 00:52:58,405 Speaker 4: I just got invited to go to dinner with him, 1024 00:52:58,645 --> 00:53:02,005 Speaker 4: and then I posted about it because he didn't make 1025 00:53:02,045 --> 00:53:05,285 Speaker 4: me sign an NDA, so I posted about it and 1026 00:53:05,325 --> 00:53:10,805 Speaker 4: it blew up and people got pretty up in arms 1027 00:53:10,965 --> 00:53:13,765 Speaker 4: about the fact that I hung out with him, and 1028 00:53:13,805 --> 00:53:18,165 Speaker 4: he eventually told me to take down the post. 1029 00:53:17,765 --> 00:53:21,805 Speaker 3: He had a lot of heat. Yeah, he was like, hey, yeah, 1030 00:53:21,845 --> 00:53:22,765 Speaker 3: can you take these down? 1031 00:53:23,965 --> 00:53:26,085 Speaker 4: Because he had a lot of heat in the media, 1032 00:53:26,645 --> 00:53:29,725 Speaker 4: and I guess this was just giving more attention to it. 1033 00:53:29,885 --> 00:53:34,365 Speaker 4: So yeah, I ended up deleting the whole thing, and yeah, 1034 00:53:34,485 --> 00:53:35,765 Speaker 4: that was that was a tricky time. 1035 00:53:35,965 --> 00:53:37,845 Speaker 3: There was a tricky time, Like I wouldn't say I 1036 00:53:37,885 --> 00:53:40,165 Speaker 3: regret that. I wouldn't if I could take it back. 1037 00:53:40,205 --> 00:53:42,725 Speaker 4: I don't think I would, because it's a learning curve 1038 00:53:42,805 --> 00:53:46,645 Speaker 4: and you know, like people make mistakes, like I'm a. 1039 00:53:46,645 --> 00:53:49,445 Speaker 3: Human being, Like it happens. 1040 00:53:49,485 --> 00:53:52,965 Speaker 4: You know. At the time, I was like stressed about 1041 00:53:52,965 --> 00:53:56,605 Speaker 4: that situation. But that's what a lot of people would 1042 00:53:56,605 --> 00:53:59,885 Speaker 4: telling me. Look these like anyone would take up that opportunity. 1043 00:54:00,125 --> 00:54:02,885 Speaker 4: And for me, it wasn't necessarily just about hanging out 1044 00:54:02,925 --> 00:54:06,365 Speaker 4: with Drake. It's about, like I say yes to those 1045 00:54:07,085 --> 00:54:11,845 Speaker 4: opportunities because the people that I meet through that is 1046 00:54:11,925 --> 00:54:15,325 Speaker 4: just incredible and it just gives me so many opportunities. 1047 00:54:15,405 --> 00:54:18,205 Speaker 4: So I guess in my head, I just had my 1048 00:54:18,325 --> 00:54:20,885 Speaker 4: sex worker money brain locked in. I'm like, this is 1049 00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,565 Speaker 4: going to do well for me, so I'm going to 1050 00:54:23,085 --> 00:54:27,285 Speaker 4: not really thinking about, you know, the consequences. So yeah, 1051 00:54:27,325 --> 00:54:28,245 Speaker 4: it was a learning curve. 1052 00:54:28,605 --> 00:54:33,005 Speaker 1: Life is a learning curve, exactly, learning learning every day 1053 00:54:33,925 --> 00:54:37,205 Speaker 1: when your kids and your kids are at school, now, 1054 00:54:37,765 --> 00:54:42,445 Speaker 1: is it a consideration for you, how you I mean, 1055 00:54:42,805 --> 00:54:45,525 Speaker 1: kids only ever know the life they live anyway, and 1056 00:54:45,525 --> 00:54:49,245 Speaker 1: they only know their parents as their mum or their dad. 1057 00:54:50,725 --> 00:54:54,045 Speaker 1: But is it a consideration for you as they're getting older, 1058 00:54:55,165 --> 00:55:00,485 Speaker 1: how you're going to navigate school, other kids, other parents. 1059 00:55:00,765 --> 00:55:05,445 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think we've always been super open with 1060 00:55:05,725 --> 00:55:08,965 Speaker 4: the kids about obviously to what they can handle for 1061 00:55:09,005 --> 00:55:13,885 Speaker 4: their ai, but like we've never had an issue so far, 1062 00:55:14,085 --> 00:55:16,605 Speaker 4: Like a lot of the parents at my kids' school 1063 00:55:16,925 --> 00:55:18,605 Speaker 4: love me and come up to me and want. 1064 00:55:18,485 --> 00:55:20,805 Speaker 3: To talk to me and want to hang out. 1065 00:55:21,805 --> 00:55:25,165 Speaker 4: Of course, there's going to be you know, with anything, 1066 00:55:25,525 --> 00:55:28,725 Speaker 4: like there could be a risk of you know, kids 1067 00:55:28,725 --> 00:55:32,845 Speaker 4: saying something, But I don't think they're going to necessarily 1068 00:55:33,405 --> 00:55:35,645 Speaker 4: like look back at their life and think like this 1069 00:55:35,805 --> 00:55:41,285 Speaker 4: was a horrible life, because like, you know, both their 1070 00:55:41,325 --> 00:55:45,685 Speaker 4: parents just spend so much time with them, and we're 1071 00:55:45,725 --> 00:55:50,365 Speaker 4: so open with them, and we teach them like kindness 1072 00:55:50,365 --> 00:55:54,525 Speaker 4: and empathy, and they are the kindest, like most caring, 1073 00:55:54,645 --> 00:55:59,885 Speaker 4: amazing kids either. Ever, so I think like people should 1074 00:55:59,925 --> 00:56:02,605 Speaker 4: stop worrying about what I teach my kids and maybe 1075 00:56:02,645 --> 00:56:06,125 Speaker 4: try and worry about what they're teaching their kids, you know, 1076 00:56:06,405 --> 00:56:09,085 Speaker 4: teach your kids to be less judgmental and and I 1077 00:56:09,125 --> 00:56:13,885 Speaker 4: think as well, like sex workers just becoming such a 1078 00:56:14,085 --> 00:56:17,445 Speaker 4: normal thing now there's so much less stigma behind it 1079 00:56:17,525 --> 00:56:20,925 Speaker 4: that I think as they get older, it's going. 1080 00:56:20,885 --> 00:56:23,925 Speaker 3: To be much more normal than what it was ten 1081 00:56:24,005 --> 00:56:24,445 Speaker 3: years ago. 1082 00:56:24,605 --> 00:56:27,245 Speaker 4: You know. I think a lot of people are becoming 1083 00:56:27,285 --> 00:56:30,125 Speaker 4: more open minded, and I think with my TikTok, it's 1084 00:56:30,165 --> 00:56:34,125 Speaker 4: been great to sort of destigmatize, like because I'll tell 1085 00:56:34,165 --> 00:56:37,405 Speaker 4: my stories and people are loving and accepting of it, 1086 00:56:37,885 --> 00:56:40,725 Speaker 4: Whereas before, like you know, sex work was such a 1087 00:56:40,725 --> 00:56:44,165 Speaker 4: taboo thing. So I think just the world is changing 1088 00:56:44,365 --> 00:56:48,685 Speaker 4: in a great way and treating sex workers more like 1089 00:56:48,845 --> 00:56:53,045 Speaker 4: normal people and not like a threat or whatever. So yeah, 1090 00:56:53,085 --> 00:56:55,925 Speaker 4: it's changing for the best. And like, they have a 1091 00:56:55,925 --> 00:57:00,645 Speaker 4: great life. They're such happy, happy kids, and they have 1092 00:57:00,645 --> 00:57:03,005 Speaker 4: a lot of friends around them, a lot of support 1093 00:57:03,045 --> 00:57:04,685 Speaker 4: from parents and teachers. 1094 00:57:04,765 --> 00:57:10,725 Speaker 1: So yeah, do you have a little dream though you 1095 00:57:10,765 --> 00:57:12,925 Speaker 1: know you very much to go with the flow, person, 1096 00:57:14,805 --> 00:57:17,445 Speaker 1: do you have a dream that you would like to 1097 00:57:17,525 --> 00:57:22,405 Speaker 1: see come to fulfillment, even if it seems, you know, 1098 00:57:22,485 --> 00:57:24,125 Speaker 1: the most far fetched thing in the world. 1099 00:57:24,965 --> 00:57:29,365 Speaker 3: I guess just you know, being able to like. 1100 00:57:31,005 --> 00:57:35,125 Speaker 4: Buy my kids a house each would be incredible, because 1101 00:57:35,205 --> 00:57:37,365 Speaker 4: you know, we live in a time now whereas becoming 1102 00:57:37,405 --> 00:57:42,165 Speaker 4: impossible for that generation to buy a house. So I 1103 00:57:42,245 --> 00:57:44,565 Speaker 4: would love to just set them up as much as 1104 00:57:44,565 --> 00:57:47,765 Speaker 4: I can. And a dream of mine was to move 1105 00:57:47,885 --> 00:57:49,565 Speaker 4: into the country. 1106 00:57:49,685 --> 00:57:51,205 Speaker 3: And now done that. 1107 00:57:51,925 --> 00:57:54,725 Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself? Do you think? So, now 1108 00:57:54,765 --> 00:57:59,925 Speaker 1: you've got the country, you've got the country homestead, where 1109 00:57:59,965 --> 00:58:02,885 Speaker 1: do you think ten years' time will find you? 1110 00:58:03,125 --> 00:58:06,365 Speaker 4: I mean I would I could have never predicted five 1111 00:58:06,445 --> 00:58:09,885 Speaker 4: years ago where I would be now. So I think 1112 00:58:10,405 --> 00:58:13,405 Speaker 4: I've never planned anything, and I think that's always worked 1113 00:58:13,405 --> 00:58:16,245 Speaker 4: out in my favor. So I'm just happy to go 1114 00:58:16,285 --> 00:58:18,605 Speaker 4: with the flow and see where it takes me. You know, 1115 00:58:18,605 --> 00:58:20,765 Speaker 4: if it does well, does well, if it doesn't, I'm 1116 00:58:21,045 --> 00:58:22,445 Speaker 4: happy with the time that I've had. 1117 00:58:22,525 --> 00:58:26,765 Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't imagine that it won't go well. 1118 00:58:27,405 --> 00:58:30,925 Speaker 1: And every time you speak futuristically you kind of say that, 1119 00:58:31,605 --> 00:58:36,285 Speaker 1: but surely by now you can go. If I put 1120 00:58:36,285 --> 00:58:40,445 Speaker 1: my mind to something and I have my integrity behind it, 1121 00:58:40,525 --> 00:58:41,725 Speaker 1: oh it's going to go well. 1122 00:58:42,045 --> 00:58:43,405 Speaker 3: Definitely, Definitely. 1123 00:58:44,405 --> 00:58:46,605 Speaker 1: I hope it does. I believe it will. 1124 00:58:46,805 --> 00:58:48,405 Speaker 4: I just don't even know what to say when someone 1125 00:58:48,445 --> 00:58:50,205 Speaker 4: asks me that, I'm like, ah, I don't know. 1126 00:58:50,485 --> 00:58:51,325 Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. 1127 00:58:51,365 --> 00:58:53,765 Speaker 4: In the future, I guess, But yeah, at the moment, 1128 00:58:53,805 --> 00:58:55,565 Speaker 4: I'm happy, and that's all the messess. 1129 00:58:56,645 --> 00:59:02,765 Speaker 1: I hope very much for your continued happiness and keep 1130 00:59:02,805 --> 00:59:06,885 Speaker 1: telling your stories because your stories are incredible. 1131 00:59:08,005 --> 00:59:10,205 Speaker 3: I love telling them, you know, naturally to me. 1132 00:59:10,365 --> 00:59:14,085 Speaker 1: So, yeah, do you have any stories that you haven't 1133 00:59:14,085 --> 00:59:14,965 Speaker 1: told before? 1134 00:59:17,765 --> 00:59:20,165 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, there's been a lot, Like a lot of 1135 00:59:20,165 --> 00:59:20,885 Speaker 3: the time. 1136 00:59:22,125 --> 00:59:25,045 Speaker 4: I'll just have I'll see regular clients that I don't 1137 00:59:25,445 --> 00:59:29,645 Speaker 4: talk about because you know, there's not much to say. 1138 00:59:30,125 --> 00:59:32,765 Speaker 4: But then I've also had a couple of celebrity times 1139 00:59:32,805 --> 00:59:34,005 Speaker 4: where I haven't talked about yet. 1140 00:59:34,525 --> 00:59:36,885 Speaker 2: When you say yet, does that mean I have. 1141 00:59:36,885 --> 00:59:43,045 Speaker 4: A I did a story about the A lister who 1142 00:59:43,045 --> 00:59:48,245 Speaker 4: I saw who flew me halfway across the world in 1143 00:59:48,445 --> 00:59:52,205 Speaker 4: La No. So it was in another place that I've 1144 00:59:52,245 --> 00:59:55,245 Speaker 4: said the first part and I haven't said the second 1145 00:59:55,245 --> 00:59:58,365 Speaker 4: part yet, So I think I'm going to have to 1146 00:59:58,685 --> 00:59:59,925 Speaker 4: introduce that soon. 1147 01:00:00,365 --> 01:00:02,365 Speaker 2: All right, can you give me a little teaser? 1148 01:00:03,445 --> 01:00:09,045 Speaker 4: So the first time I saw him, it was full 1149 01:00:09,085 --> 01:00:11,485 Speaker 4: of sex, parties. 1150 01:00:11,325 --> 01:00:16,285 Speaker 3: Orgies, a lot of intense stuff. 1151 01:00:17,525 --> 01:00:21,845 Speaker 4: And the second time it was actually like the first 1152 01:00:21,845 --> 01:00:25,565 Speaker 4: time was great, like we were at this like living 1153 01:00:25,885 --> 01:00:28,805 Speaker 4: I was living at this palace for a week and 1154 01:00:29,085 --> 01:00:31,485 Speaker 4: there were you know, you'd come every day and there 1155 01:00:31,525 --> 01:00:33,765 Speaker 4: would just be new things every day, Like I would 1156 01:00:33,805 --> 01:00:36,005 Speaker 4: be lying by the pool and there's like a sketch 1157 01:00:36,125 --> 01:00:39,965 Speaker 4: artist sketching me. And it was just a lot of party, 1158 01:00:40,085 --> 01:00:42,045 Speaker 4: a lot of meeting celebrities. 1159 01:00:42,605 --> 01:00:43,645 Speaker 3: It's crazy shit. 1160 01:00:44,565 --> 01:00:48,245 Speaker 4: But then he invited me a second time and it 1161 01:00:48,445 --> 01:00:53,965 Speaker 4: got a bit intense. It got very possessive. He became 1162 01:00:54,005 --> 01:00:56,085 Speaker 4: a little bit obsessed. 1163 01:00:56,205 --> 01:00:59,285 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, because you said when you told the first 1164 01:00:59,325 --> 01:01:03,525 Speaker 1: part that when you came back the second time, he 1165 01:01:03,725 --> 01:01:07,245 Speaker 1: was very different, but you didn't say in which way 1166 01:01:07,405 --> 01:01:10,045 Speaker 1: he was different, So he became a obsessed with you. 1167 01:01:10,445 --> 01:01:10,805 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1168 01:01:10,885 --> 01:01:17,685 Speaker 4: So so the first time I saw him, he was 1169 01:01:17,765 --> 01:01:23,165 Speaker 4: with his partner and that was great. But the second 1170 01:01:23,205 --> 01:01:25,525 Speaker 4: time I rocked up and I thought it was going 1171 01:01:25,605 --> 01:01:28,485 Speaker 4: to be the same thing, and his partner wasn't there, 1172 01:01:28,565 --> 01:01:31,645 Speaker 4: and it was very it was a very different it 1173 01:01:31,685 --> 01:01:33,805 Speaker 4: was like split personality. 1174 01:01:34,405 --> 01:01:39,525 Speaker 1: So yeah, and then how did the obsession manifest? 1175 01:01:40,445 --> 01:01:44,165 Speaker 4: Uh, just just messaging me and like when I wanted 1176 01:01:44,205 --> 01:01:46,285 Speaker 4: to go, he would just bombard me. 1177 01:01:47,045 --> 01:01:47,365 Speaker 3: You know. 1178 01:01:48,885 --> 01:01:52,805 Speaker 4: It was just a very different experience to the first one. 1179 01:01:54,005 --> 01:01:58,245 Speaker 1: And did you feel like because you were physically in 1180 01:01:58,325 --> 01:02:02,125 Speaker 1: another place and not at home. Did you feel like 1181 01:02:02,245 --> 01:02:04,805 Speaker 1: you would have trouble getting away? 1182 01:02:05,485 --> 01:02:07,405 Speaker 3: There were times where I was a little bit worried. 1183 01:02:07,485 --> 01:02:12,845 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially and I was like there with him, I was, 1184 01:02:13,365 --> 01:02:16,565 Speaker 4: I was worried. But we got away safe and sound. 1185 01:02:16,685 --> 01:02:19,885 Speaker 4: So yeah, everything's a learning curve. 1186 01:02:20,885 --> 01:02:23,365 Speaker 2: Everything, everything is a learning curve. 1187 01:02:23,845 --> 01:02:28,245 Speaker 1: And Kayla Jade, you have been instrumental in teaching people 1188 01:02:28,285 --> 01:02:29,125 Speaker 1: a lot of things. 1189 01:02:29,485 --> 01:02:30,605 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah. 1190 01:02:30,925 --> 01:02:33,125 Speaker 4: I meet women every day who come up to me 1191 01:02:33,165 --> 01:02:36,165 Speaker 4: and are just like, you know, tell me how like 1192 01:02:36,205 --> 01:02:38,445 Speaker 4: my own videos have helped them or something, And I'm 1193 01:02:38,485 --> 01:02:40,805 Speaker 4: just like that just makes me so happy. Like if 1194 01:02:40,845 --> 01:02:43,765 Speaker 4: I can make someone's day just by you know, giving 1195 01:02:43,765 --> 01:02:46,645 Speaker 4: them a little something to look forward to, like, that's 1196 01:02:46,685 --> 01:02:47,205 Speaker 4: the best thing. 1197 01:02:47,405 --> 01:02:47,645 Speaker 1: Hey. 1198 01:02:47,645 --> 01:02:49,525 Speaker 2: Can I ask you one final question? 1199 01:02:51,285 --> 01:02:56,965 Speaker 1: Do you think that sex has a spiritual component to 1200 01:02:57,045 --> 01:02:59,125 Speaker 1: it as well as the physical? 1201 01:02:59,885 --> 01:03:02,325 Speaker 3: Like do you mean like a connection with someone? 1202 01:03:02,685 --> 01:03:02,925 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1203 01:03:03,445 --> 01:03:07,885 Speaker 1: Like that. Yeah, you know how different people can vibrate 1204 01:03:07,965 --> 01:03:12,565 Speaker 1: at different sort of levels and these base vibrations where 1205 01:03:12,645 --> 01:03:15,365 Speaker 1: people are like, oh that's a bad vibe, and a 1206 01:03:15,605 --> 01:03:19,205 Speaker 1: union of two people sexually who are connected and whatever 1207 01:03:19,645 --> 01:03:21,405 Speaker 1: vibrates at a high level. 1208 01:03:21,845 --> 01:03:22,125 Speaker 4: Do you. 1209 01:03:23,965 --> 01:03:24,485 Speaker 1: Believe that. 1210 01:03:25,325 --> 01:03:28,205 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't believe that in a way Like 1211 01:03:28,445 --> 01:03:31,005 Speaker 4: with my work, probably not so much. But if I 1212 01:03:31,125 --> 01:03:33,605 Speaker 4: was to see like a partner or someone who else 1213 01:03:33,685 --> 01:03:36,285 Speaker 4: like really vibing, then one thousand percent. 1214 01:03:36,525 --> 01:03:39,325 Speaker 3: Yeah. But it's with my. 1215 01:03:39,365 --> 01:03:45,605 Speaker 4: Sex work, it's like it's work literally, you know, no 1216 01:03:46,285 --> 01:03:49,325 Speaker 4: connection there, no connection there. I mean, I probably shouldn't 1217 01:03:49,325 --> 01:03:52,205 Speaker 4: say that connections sometimes. 1218 01:03:52,605 --> 01:03:54,725 Speaker 1: Oh, there'll be people with hurt feelings. 1219 01:03:55,725 --> 01:03:58,805 Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, this is a business transaction and 1220 01:03:58,965 --> 01:04:01,205 Speaker 4: that's what I'm going to treat it as you know, 1221 01:04:02,165 --> 01:04:08,205 Speaker 4: they get there, they pay me, shower, do the deed, sayonara. 1222 01:04:08,485 --> 01:04:12,485 Speaker 4: You know, there's no messaging after There was only one 1223 01:04:12,605 --> 01:04:16,845 Speaker 4: case where early on where I did catch feelings for 1224 01:04:16,885 --> 01:04:21,005 Speaker 4: a client, and yeah, that was a lesson learned. 1225 01:04:20,765 --> 01:04:23,405 Speaker 1: Too, Was that mister Sheffield? 1226 01:04:23,525 --> 01:04:28,165 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, he still he still messages me 1227 01:04:28,205 --> 01:04:31,285 Speaker 4: and still tries to call me. I flew to Sydney 1228 01:04:31,365 --> 01:04:34,005 Speaker 4: for a podcast like a little while ago, and like 1229 01:04:34,125 --> 01:04:36,045 Speaker 4: as soon as he saw I was there, he was 1230 01:04:36,085 --> 01:04:37,725 Speaker 4: like bombarding my phone. 1231 01:04:37,445 --> 01:04:41,085 Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, don't go back there. And I 1232 01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:42,085 Speaker 3: did it, which. 1233 01:04:41,885 --> 01:04:45,805 Speaker 1: Is good, well done, but it's hard to resist the 1234 01:04:45,925 --> 01:04:47,325 Speaker 1: lure of that attraction. 1235 01:04:47,925 --> 01:04:51,685 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was very, very charming, very charming, and 1236 01:04:51,805 --> 01:04:54,005 Speaker 4: just exactly my time. 1237 01:04:54,285 --> 01:04:59,485 Speaker 1: So when you said he started acting in a way 1238 01:04:59,525 --> 01:05:01,445 Speaker 1: that was kind of sas. 1239 01:05:01,365 --> 01:05:05,725 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I felt like he was hiding something 1240 01:05:06,085 --> 01:05:08,445 Speaker 4: or like he wasn't telling me the full truth, Like 1241 01:05:09,325 --> 01:05:11,245 Speaker 4: I couldn't find him on social media. 1242 01:05:12,165 --> 01:05:14,485 Speaker 1: What would he have been hiding a girlfriend or. 1243 01:05:14,645 --> 01:05:18,645 Speaker 4: Potentially potentially I just felt like there was some sort 1244 01:05:18,685 --> 01:05:21,525 Speaker 4: of thing that he wasn't telling me. And I just 1245 01:05:21,565 --> 01:05:25,565 Speaker 4: feel like he was a big manipulator, like he knew 1246 01:05:25,605 --> 01:05:27,765 Speaker 4: how to play the game, you know, like people who 1247 01:05:28,765 --> 01:05:32,725 Speaker 4: will sort of like replicate your personality in a way 1248 01:05:32,885 --> 01:05:34,325 Speaker 4: just to make you feel. 1249 01:05:34,005 --> 01:05:36,365 Speaker 3: Like like just the biggest narcissist. 1250 01:05:35,925 --> 01:05:38,485 Speaker 4: You know, like I couldn't tell if he was in 1251 01:05:38,525 --> 01:05:38,885 Speaker 4: love with. 1252 01:05:38,805 --> 01:05:40,645 Speaker 3: Me or just the biggest narcissist. 1253 01:05:40,725 --> 01:05:42,565 Speaker 4: So yeah, I really had to cut that one off 1254 01:05:42,605 --> 01:05:44,525 Speaker 4: because it was just my mental health was not. 1255 01:05:44,485 --> 01:05:49,005 Speaker 3: Good, and I did. And yeah, I'm strong enough now to. 1256 01:05:48,965 --> 01:05:51,445 Speaker 4: Not go back, which is good because old me would 1257 01:05:51,485 --> 01:05:52,525 Speaker 4: not have been strong enough. 1258 01:05:52,605 --> 01:05:57,725 Speaker 1: So yeah, well I wish you every strength Kayla Jade, 1259 01:05:58,205 --> 01:05:59,245 Speaker 1: and every joy. 1260 01:05:59,485 --> 01:06:00,685 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 1261 01:06:05,205 --> 01:06:07,885 Speaker 2: Well that escalated quickly, didn't it? 1262 01:06:08,125 --> 01:06:11,805 Speaker 1: From only fans out of suburbia, from sex parties to 1263 01:06:11,925 --> 01:06:17,765 Speaker 1: chicken coops. Kayla Jade has somehow lived teen lives in 1264 01:06:17,805 --> 01:06:21,885 Speaker 1: the space of one, and I've got the feeling she's 1265 01:06:21,965 --> 01:06:26,045 Speaker 1: just getting started. The executive producer of No Filter is 1266 01:06:26,125 --> 01:06:30,005 Speaker 1: Nama Brown and the senior producer is Breed Player. Audio 1267 01:06:30,005 --> 01:06:34,605 Speaker 1: production is by Jacob Brown and I am your humble host, 1268 01:06:35,245 --> 01:06:38,525 Speaker 1: Kate lane Brook. Thank you so much for listening to 1269 01:06:38,605 --> 01:06:39,085 Speaker 1: No Filter.