1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,134 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:18,934 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,814 --> 00:00:24,934 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily 5 00:00:24,974 --> 00:00:29,294 Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. The fallout from Trump's reciprocal tariffs 6 00:00:29,334 --> 00:00:33,254 Speaker 2: continues to send shock waves through global markets. So how 7 00:00:33,254 --> 00:00:36,094 Speaker 2: long do we start to feel the pinch? Plas says 8 00:00:36,134 --> 00:00:39,694 Speaker 2: Maps twenty twenty five wraps up its most controversial season yet. 9 00:00:39,894 --> 00:00:43,334 Speaker 2: We're asking if the show can survive the scandals and 10 00:00:43,574 --> 00:00:47,054 Speaker 2: whether it should. But first, here's Clemurphy with the latest 11 00:00:47,134 --> 00:00:50,174 Speaker 2: from the Quickie newsroom for Tuesday, April eighth. 12 00:00:50,494 --> 00:00:53,494 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The Labor government will announce a one billion 13 00:00:53,534 --> 00:00:56,414 Speaker 1: dollar mental health package today that will give Ozzies more 14 00:00:56,454 --> 00:00:59,934 Speaker 1: access to care. The package sets aside two hundred and 15 00:01:00,014 --> 00:01:03,814 Speaker 1: twenty five million for new or upgraded Medicare mental health centers, 16 00:01:04,254 --> 00:01:08,094 Speaker 1: entry point facilities that allow patients access to free consultations 17 00:01:08,094 --> 00:01:11,414 Speaker 1: with trained professionals but aren't designed for long term care. 18 00:01:11,734 --> 00:01:14,134 Speaker 1: An extra two hundred million will be spent on fifty 19 00:01:14,174 --> 00:01:17,934 Speaker 1: eight services run by mental health organization Headspace to either 20 00:01:17,934 --> 00:01:21,414 Speaker 1: set up new locations or expand existing ones. It also 21 00:01:21,534 --> 00:01:25,054 Speaker 1: includes five hundred million dollars for twenty youth specialist care 22 00:01:25,134 --> 00:01:28,734 Speaker 1: centers to be created. Prime Minister Anthony Alberesi saying the 23 00:01:28,774 --> 00:01:31,414 Speaker 1: funding will allow more people to get free mental health 24 00:01:31,414 --> 00:01:34,894 Speaker 1: support in more locations. A further ninety million will be 25 00:01:34,934 --> 00:01:38,494 Speaker 1: spent on training twelve hundred mental health professionals. The call 26 00:01:38,574 --> 00:01:41,454 Speaker 1: comes after the coalition pledged to double the number of 27 00:01:41,454 --> 00:01:46,614 Speaker 1: Medicare subsidized psychology sessions from ten to twenty. Anthony Alberzi 28 00:01:46,694 --> 00:01:49,254 Speaker 1: and Peter Dutton will come face to face tonight in 29 00:01:49,294 --> 00:01:51,974 Speaker 1: the first leader's debate of the election. The two will 30 00:01:51,974 --> 00:01:55,334 Speaker 1: be asked questions by one hundred undecided voters at a 31 00:01:55,374 --> 00:01:58,414 Speaker 1: People's forum in Sydney. The focus expected to be on 32 00:01:58,494 --> 00:02:02,014 Speaker 1: cost of living pressures, housing, healthcare, and the impacts of 33 00:02:02,054 --> 00:02:06,294 Speaker 1: Trump's tariffs. After an online rumor that Donald Trump was 34 00:02:06,334 --> 00:02:09,734 Speaker 1: planning to pause all tariffs, the US president has instead 35 00:02:09,734 --> 00:02:14,254 Speaker 1: threatened further increases on Chinese imports. Undeterred by the massive 36 00:02:14,334 --> 00:02:17,814 Speaker 1: losses across the global stock market, Trump says he'll impose 37 00:02:17,854 --> 00:02:20,734 Speaker 1: a further fifty percent duty on products coming into the 38 00:02:20,734 --> 00:02:24,094 Speaker 1: country from China if they didn't withdraw the thirty four 39 00:02:24,134 --> 00:02:27,614 Speaker 1: percent tariffs they put on US products last week, saying 40 00:02:27,734 --> 00:02:31,574 Speaker 1: all talks with China concerning their requested meetings will be terminated. 41 00:02:31,974 --> 00:02:34,614 Speaker 1: Despite a short rally on the markets after a rumor 42 00:02:34,654 --> 00:02:37,894 Speaker 1: Trump was considering pausing his tariffs for ninety days, it 43 00:02:37,974 --> 00:02:40,974 Speaker 1: quickly slid again after the Trump administration said that was 44 00:02:41,094 --> 00:02:43,934 Speaker 1: not true. Trump saying on Sunday in response to the 45 00:02:43,974 --> 00:02:47,174 Speaker 1: market turmoil that sometimes you have to take medicine to 46 00:02:47,214 --> 00:02:51,774 Speaker 1: fix something. Jeffrey Epstein accuser Virginia Giffrey has been released 47 00:02:51,774 --> 00:02:54,694 Speaker 1: from hospital in Perth, a week after saying she had 48 00:02:54,734 --> 00:02:58,214 Speaker 1: just four days to live. Jeffrey was hospitalized after her 49 00:02:58,254 --> 00:03:00,494 Speaker 1: car was hit by a bus on March twenty four, 50 00:03:00,814 --> 00:03:03,254 Speaker 1: telling the world via social media she was going into 51 00:03:03,294 --> 00:03:06,214 Speaker 1: renal failure and the doctors had given her days left 52 00:03:06,254 --> 00:03:09,174 Speaker 1: to live. While she was in hospital care, she claimed 53 00:03:09,174 --> 00:03:11,894 Speaker 1: she was the victim of domestic abuse by her husband 54 00:03:11,934 --> 00:03:14,974 Speaker 1: of twenty two years, Robert Giffrey, giving a statement to 55 00:03:15,054 --> 00:03:17,934 Speaker 1: people saying she was able to fight back against Glaine 56 00:03:18,014 --> 00:03:21,654 Speaker 1: Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, who abused and trafficked her, but 57 00:03:21,734 --> 00:03:24,334 Speaker 1: that she was unable to escape the domestic violence in 58 00:03:24,374 --> 00:03:27,094 Speaker 1: her marriage until recently. She went on to say that 59 00:03:27,174 --> 00:03:30,294 Speaker 1: after her husband's latest physical assault, she can no longer 60 00:03:30,334 --> 00:03:34,134 Speaker 1: stay silent. Her brother described an incident in January where 61 00:03:34,174 --> 00:03:38,414 Speaker 1: Virginia was also hospitalized, where she reportedly almost died. Her 62 00:03:38,414 --> 00:03:42,094 Speaker 1: injuries included a cracked sternum and a perforated eye. Her 63 00:03:42,134 --> 00:03:44,494 Speaker 1: brother said that he didn't know if her latest injuries 64 00:03:44,534 --> 00:03:46,654 Speaker 1: were all due to the bus crash, or a recent 65 00:03:46,734 --> 00:03:50,454 Speaker 1: beating she'd suffered, or both. Geffrey's husband has placed a 66 00:03:50,494 --> 00:03:54,374 Speaker 1: family violence restraining order against her, which she allegedly broke 67 00:03:54,414 --> 00:03:56,854 Speaker 1: by texting him. She's due to face court on the 68 00:03:56,894 --> 00:04:00,014 Speaker 1: matter tomorrow. Amid their search for a new permanent coach, 69 00:04:00,094 --> 00:04:02,294 Speaker 1: the Matildas have put a win on the board, defeating 70 00:04:02,334 --> 00:04:05,854 Speaker 1: South Korea to Nilan Newcastle. Mary Fowler returned to the 71 00:04:05,894 --> 00:04:08,614 Speaker 1: starting lineup, the twenty two year old slotting the first 72 00:04:08,614 --> 00:04:11,614 Speaker 1: of the Aussie goals and forty fourth minute before Caitlin 73 00:04:11,694 --> 00:04:14,134 Speaker 1: Torpey added another to the back of the net in 74 00:04:14,134 --> 00:04:17,494 Speaker 1: front of a record twenty eight thousand strong crowd. Tom 75 00:04:17,534 --> 00:04:20,214 Speaker 1: Somani is currently coaching the team, but whether that will 76 00:04:20,214 --> 00:04:22,894 Speaker 1: become a permanent position for him remains unclear. 77 00:04:23,854 --> 00:04:32,494 Speaker 2: Thanks clan next a tariff loaded Trump Day. It's been 78 00:04:32,694 --> 00:04:35,574 Speaker 2: just under a week since Donald Trump announced his Liberation 79 00:04:35,774 --> 00:04:38,814 Speaker 2: Day tariffs, and to say its cause chaos would be 80 00:04:38,894 --> 00:04:43,374 Speaker 2: an understatement. Trump's reciprocal tariffs were essentially taxes he put 81 00:04:43,414 --> 00:04:47,814 Speaker 2: on imports from other countries to match or reciprocate tariffs 82 00:04:47,854 --> 00:04:51,694 Speaker 2: those countries had on US goods. It's his way of 83 00:04:52,014 --> 00:04:55,454 Speaker 2: leveling the playing field and pushing countries to lower their 84 00:04:55,454 --> 00:04:58,774 Speaker 2: own trade barriers. Five days on from the announcement, the 85 00:04:58,814 --> 00:05:02,494 Speaker 2: world has questions and we're already starting to see impacts. 86 00:05:03,134 --> 00:05:06,214 Speaker 2: The ASX has had its biggest single day drop since 87 00:05:06,254 --> 00:05:10,214 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and global markets are in term as 88 00:05:10,254 --> 00:05:12,934 Speaker 2: everyone tries to figure out what these new trade rules 89 00:05:12,974 --> 00:05:16,854 Speaker 2: actually mean. Plas, Trump's frenemy Elon Musk, has gotten involved, 90 00:05:16,934 --> 00:05:19,814 Speaker 2: engaging in a very public spat with the president's top 91 00:05:19,854 --> 00:05:23,094 Speaker 2: economic advisor over the impact these tariffs will have on 92 00:05:23,174 --> 00:05:26,854 Speaker 2: Tesla and the broader electric vehicle industry. It's a pretty 93 00:05:26,854 --> 00:05:30,814 Speaker 2: interesting development given Musk's usually cozy relationship with Trump, but 94 00:05:30,934 --> 00:05:33,654 Speaker 2: it seems even Tesla's CEO has his limits when it 95 00:05:33,694 --> 00:05:37,734 Speaker 2: comes to trade policy. Look, the whole situation is complicated 96 00:05:37,854 --> 00:05:43,254 Speaker 2: confusing and potentially very very expensive for pretty much everyone involved. 97 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:46,654 Speaker 2: As always, our US correspondent Emelia Lester is here to 98 00:05:46,694 --> 00:05:51,014 Speaker 2: help demystify Amelia. Let's start with the basics. Last week, 99 00:05:51,014 --> 00:05:55,014 Speaker 2: Trump announced reciprocal tariffs on about ninety countries across the globe, 100 00:05:55,254 --> 00:05:58,134 Speaker 2: including Australia. But some countries seem to have pulled some 101 00:05:58,254 --> 00:05:59,734 Speaker 2: very short sticks in the announcement. 102 00:06:00,734 --> 00:06:04,894 Speaker 3: Yes, well, I think all countries had tariffs imposed on them, 103 00:06:05,094 --> 00:06:08,134 Speaker 3: with the exception of North Korea and Russia and some 104 00:06:08,254 --> 00:06:11,334 Speaker 3: places that aren't even countries. Norfolk Island, which is a 105 00:06:11,414 --> 00:06:15,294 Speaker 3: territory of Australia, has tariffs twice that of Australia's right 106 00:06:15,534 --> 00:06:19,214 Speaker 3: and the Herd Islands, which are again an Australian external 107 00:06:19,294 --> 00:06:22,614 Speaker 3: territory close to Antarctica that is accessible by boat for 108 00:06:22,694 --> 00:06:25,694 Speaker 3: two days only and which is home to some penguins 109 00:06:25,694 --> 00:06:29,254 Speaker 3: and some glaciers, was also struck with some tariffs as well. 110 00:06:29,454 --> 00:06:31,694 Speaker 2: This was interesting, right because of course the Internet does 111 00:06:31,694 --> 00:06:33,974 Speaker 2: that beautiful thing that it does and takes the piss 112 00:06:34,014 --> 00:06:36,294 Speaker 2: out of Donald Trump when he announces things like this. 113 00:06:36,534 --> 00:06:38,374 Speaker 2: There were penguin means of plenty. 114 00:06:38,734 --> 00:06:41,294 Speaker 3: Yes, there were people kind of making a spin on 115 00:06:41,334 --> 00:06:45,334 Speaker 3: the Zelensky Oval Office meeting with Vance regaling penguins with 116 00:06:45,454 --> 00:06:48,134 Speaker 3: you didn't even say thank you. Yeah, that was a 117 00:06:48,174 --> 00:06:51,334 Speaker 3: fun time. But I think in general, economists around the world, 118 00:06:51,814 --> 00:06:55,014 Speaker 3: business leaders reacted with dismay. They'd always thought the tariff 119 00:06:55,134 --> 00:06:57,374 Speaker 3: was such a bad idea, that maybe Trump was just 120 00:06:57,414 --> 00:06:59,894 Speaker 3: going to be using them as a bargaining chip, But 121 00:06:59,974 --> 00:07:03,214 Speaker 3: it's become apparent that he is in fact enamored with 122 00:07:03,254 --> 00:07:06,894 Speaker 3: them as an ends in themselves, and in recent days, 123 00:07:06,974 --> 00:07:09,894 Speaker 3: as the fallout of this announcement becomes clear, there's some 124 00:07:09,934 --> 00:07:12,614 Speaker 3: signs of division within the Trump camp about that. So 125 00:07:12,734 --> 00:07:16,134 Speaker 3: Scott Bessant, who's his Treasury secretary, who comes from a 126 00:07:16,134 --> 00:07:19,374 Speaker 3: business background, said a couple of hours ago, that is 127 00:07:19,574 --> 00:07:22,814 Speaker 3: Sunday night, US time, that the tariffs would likely last 128 00:07:22,894 --> 00:07:25,574 Speaker 3: for days or even weeks, and he said that they 129 00:07:25,614 --> 00:07:29,054 Speaker 3: were a negotiating tactic. But Trump himself has just come 130 00:07:29,094 --> 00:07:31,694 Speaker 3: out again today on Sunday night, and he seemed to 131 00:07:31,734 --> 00:07:34,734 Speaker 3: confirm that in fact, these are here to stay. He 132 00:07:34,774 --> 00:07:37,934 Speaker 3: said that they're going to stay until the trade deficit disappears, 133 00:07:38,334 --> 00:07:41,374 Speaker 3: and economists say that that's a pretty quick slotic goal. 134 00:07:41,454 --> 00:07:42,494 Speaker 3: It may never come. 135 00:07:42,774 --> 00:07:44,614 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, that's like how long's a pizza of stung 136 00:07:44,654 --> 00:07:47,414 Speaker 2: also are kind of in a major cost of living crisis. 137 00:07:47,774 --> 00:07:51,214 Speaker 2: The tariffs are expected to take effect from tomorrow, April nine. 138 00:07:51,534 --> 00:07:52,974 Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about some of 139 00:07:53,014 --> 00:07:55,854 Speaker 2: the other people who've made very public comments about this, 140 00:07:55,974 --> 00:07:58,534 Speaker 2: But first the actual impacts. We've seen it impact the 141 00:07:58,654 --> 00:08:01,854 Speaker 2: stock market already, the ASX has plummeted. The Australian dollar 142 00:08:01,894 --> 00:08:04,374 Speaker 2: has also dropped below sixty US since, which is the 143 00:08:04,374 --> 00:08:06,974 Speaker 2: first time at a very long time that's happened. You're 144 00:08:07,014 --> 00:08:09,374 Speaker 2: making a very scared face at me when I say that, 145 00:08:09,854 --> 00:08:10,974 Speaker 2: I mean it's scary. 146 00:08:11,174 --> 00:08:14,694 Speaker 3: So what's interesting about it is that Trump expected that 147 00:08:14,814 --> 00:08:18,214 Speaker 3: the US dollar would weaken. In fact, that's his stated 148 00:08:18,254 --> 00:08:21,134 Speaker 3: goal here. He thinks that the US dollar is overvalued, 149 00:08:21,494 --> 00:08:24,454 Speaker 3: and he thinks that that therefore means that in trade relationships, 150 00:08:24,454 --> 00:08:26,214 Speaker 3: the US is getting the short end of the sticks. 151 00:08:26,254 --> 00:08:29,094 Speaker 3: So what he wants to do is weaken the US dollar. 152 00:08:29,334 --> 00:08:31,374 Speaker 3: But what we have seen as a result of this 153 00:08:31,454 --> 00:08:34,414 Speaker 3: announcement is that the US dollar has been strengthened and 154 00:08:34,494 --> 00:08:37,814 Speaker 3: that other currencies around the globe, including the Australian dollar, 155 00:08:37,854 --> 00:08:42,134 Speaker 3: have plummeted, and in fact the plummeting of the ASX 156 00:08:42,214 --> 00:08:46,254 Speaker 3: and also the Asian stock markets is more dramatic right 157 00:08:46,294 --> 00:08:48,614 Speaker 3: now than the effects have been on the US stock market, 158 00:08:48,654 --> 00:08:49,974 Speaker 3: which is kind of surprising. 159 00:08:50,574 --> 00:08:52,774 Speaker 2: One of the things that people maybe will be able 160 00:08:52,814 --> 00:08:56,054 Speaker 2: to understand or put this into more tangible terms is 161 00:08:56,094 --> 00:08:58,294 Speaker 2: the impact that it has on them and their everyday lives, 162 00:08:58,294 --> 00:08:59,854 Speaker 2: because if you're not part of the stock market, if 163 00:08:59,894 --> 00:09:02,414 Speaker 2: you don't plan on traveling overseas any times, and maybe these. 164 00:09:02,294 --> 00:09:04,574 Speaker 3: Things don't retiring soon, yeah. 165 00:09:04,454 --> 00:09:06,974 Speaker 2: Or retiring, But something that I've been reading about constantly. 166 00:09:07,014 --> 00:09:08,774 Speaker 2: I don't know why this keeps coming up, but the 167 00:09:08,814 --> 00:09:12,094 Speaker 2: impact that all have on online shopping platforms like Sene 168 00:09:12,134 --> 00:09:14,134 Speaker 2: and Timu. Can you explain that to us? 169 00:09:14,254 --> 00:09:16,454 Speaker 3: Yeah? I was actually in the US when they tried 170 00:09:16,454 --> 00:09:19,734 Speaker 3: this once before, about a month ago. Now, this announcement 171 00:09:19,774 --> 00:09:22,934 Speaker 3: appeared on the United States Postal Service website one night 172 00:09:22,974 --> 00:09:25,734 Speaker 3: that said that they would no longer be accepting small 173 00:09:25,734 --> 00:09:29,654 Speaker 3: packages from China oh into the US. They quickly dialed 174 00:09:29,654 --> 00:09:32,974 Speaker 3: that back, but now in fact they've reinstated that, meaning 175 00:09:33,174 --> 00:09:36,054 Speaker 3: Shine and Timu, who were these two very low cost 176 00:09:36,214 --> 00:09:39,694 Speaker 3: retailers out of China, can no longer ship packages to 177 00:09:39,774 --> 00:09:42,414 Speaker 3: the US at all, there's a ban on them. That's 178 00:09:42,414 --> 00:09:44,094 Speaker 3: in addition to the fact that the tariffs will make 179 00:09:44,134 --> 00:09:46,454 Speaker 3: the goods that they're selling prohibitively expensive. 180 00:09:46,814 --> 00:09:50,294 Speaker 2: Looking back domestically here in Australia, something that I've been 181 00:09:50,374 --> 00:09:51,934 Speaker 2: trying to wrap my head around and I'm hoping you 182 00:09:51,974 --> 00:09:54,414 Speaker 2: can help me is the free trade agreement that we 183 00:09:54,494 --> 00:09:56,654 Speaker 2: have with the US. I know that sounds really boring, 184 00:09:56,734 --> 00:09:59,894 Speaker 2: but basically Trump put a ten percent tariff on Australia. 185 00:10:00,054 --> 00:10:02,134 Speaker 2: Does the free trade agreement that we have between our 186 00:10:02,174 --> 00:10:04,614 Speaker 2: two countries we can send things back and forth. Doesn't 187 00:10:04,654 --> 00:10:06,894 Speaker 2: that just make the tariff irrelevant? 188 00:10:07,174 --> 00:10:09,254 Speaker 3: No, it's a great question. I feel like we're always 189 00:10:09,294 --> 00:10:11,934 Speaker 3: talking with Trump moves of but isn't this illegal? And 190 00:10:11,934 --> 00:10:13,974 Speaker 3: the answer is usually yes, But the question is who's 191 00:10:14,014 --> 00:10:16,094 Speaker 3: going to enforce it? So Yes, in two thousand and five, 192 00:10:16,294 --> 00:10:19,374 Speaker 3: Australia and the US did enter into a free trade agreement. 193 00:10:19,414 --> 00:10:21,814 Speaker 3: It's why many Australians now go across to the US 194 00:10:21,934 --> 00:10:24,254 Speaker 3: to work because there was also an E three visa 195 00:10:24,294 --> 00:10:27,054 Speaker 3: introduced for Australians to work in the US. Yes, it 196 00:10:27,134 --> 00:10:29,414 Speaker 3: contravenes the free trade agreement, and there was reporting by 197 00:10:29,414 --> 00:10:32,614 Speaker 3: the ABC late last week that Anthony Albanizi is preparing 198 00:10:32,614 --> 00:10:35,574 Speaker 3: for Australia to take the US to the World Trade 199 00:10:35,654 --> 00:10:38,494 Speaker 3: Organization to argue against these tariffs. 200 00:10:38,654 --> 00:10:41,094 Speaker 2: The other person involved in this and whose name I've 201 00:10:41,134 --> 00:10:43,934 Speaker 2: seen come up constantly is Elon Musk. He's had a 202 00:10:43,974 --> 00:10:46,934 Speaker 2: very public spat sort of rejecting it and not endorsing 203 00:10:46,974 --> 00:10:47,734 Speaker 2: these tariffs. 204 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:50,094 Speaker 3: Yeah, he appeared by video link at a conference of 205 00:10:50,174 --> 00:10:52,534 Speaker 3: Italy's far right party over the weekend, so that's what 206 00:10:52,574 --> 00:10:55,454 Speaker 3: he was doing, and he said he favored zero tariffs 207 00:10:55,454 --> 00:10:58,054 Speaker 3: and free trade. And then also on the weekend he 208 00:10:58,134 --> 00:11:00,534 Speaker 3: got into a spat on X with Peter Navarro, who's 209 00:11:00,574 --> 00:11:03,654 Speaker 3: Trump's top top trade advisor, where he said that Navarro, 210 00:11:03,694 --> 00:11:07,174 Speaker 3: who'd been arguing for the tariffs, ain't built shit. Last week, 211 00:11:07,254 --> 00:11:09,774 Speaker 3: this seemed to confirm reporting that Trump is thinking of 212 00:11:09,814 --> 00:11:12,214 Speaker 3: ousting Musk from his tenure at DOGE and that it 213 00:11:12,214 --> 00:11:14,894 Speaker 3: would end soon. Trump himself said that there will come 214 00:11:14,934 --> 00:11:17,534 Speaker 3: a point when Mask needs to leave. We may be 215 00:11:17,614 --> 00:11:18,414 Speaker 3: reaching that point. 216 00:11:18,534 --> 00:11:21,014 Speaker 2: The tariff changes, like I said, meant to come into 217 00:11:21,014 --> 00:11:24,454 Speaker 2: effect from tomorrow, April nine. We're having an Australian election 218 00:11:24,574 --> 00:11:26,294 Speaker 2: right now. Is this going to have an impact. Have 219 00:11:26,374 --> 00:11:28,854 Speaker 2: we seen Dutn or Albow either of them say any 220 00:11:28,894 --> 00:11:29,694 Speaker 2: which way about it? 221 00:11:29,894 --> 00:11:35,014 Speaker 3: So impact for Australian exports, beef, wine, pharmaceuticals. All these 222 00:11:35,054 --> 00:11:38,294 Speaker 3: industry heads have basically come out and said that they're 223 00:11:38,334 --> 00:11:41,054 Speaker 3: pretty confident that they can find other markets to plug 224 00:11:41,094 --> 00:11:43,974 Speaker 3: the US whole. If you just take beef. For instance, 225 00:11:44,134 --> 00:11:46,614 Speaker 3: three billion dollars of Australian beef was getting exported to 226 00:11:46,654 --> 00:11:48,814 Speaker 3: the US every year. A lot of it was going 227 00:11:48,814 --> 00:11:51,334 Speaker 3: into Big Max, which is Trump's favorite food, because for 228 00:11:51,414 --> 00:11:54,374 Speaker 3: various reasons, US beef is fattier than Australian beef, so 229 00:11:54,454 --> 00:11:56,774 Speaker 3: they needed that grass fed beef to go into the burgers. 230 00:11:57,134 --> 00:11:59,014 Speaker 3: Australia simply said, well, we're just going to sell our 231 00:11:59,014 --> 00:12:01,494 Speaker 3: beef to Europe now, which seems fair enough. Europe loves 232 00:12:01,494 --> 00:12:04,574 Speaker 3: beef too. Wine and pharmaceuticals have said the same things. 233 00:12:04,614 --> 00:12:06,894 Speaker 3: Albanezi has said he's not going to bargain about the 234 00:12:06,894 --> 00:12:10,614 Speaker 3: pharmaceutical benefit scheme. This is something that US drug manufacturers 235 00:12:10,614 --> 00:12:13,334 Speaker 3: are really angry about because they see Australia as fixing 236 00:12:13,374 --> 00:12:16,774 Speaker 3: prices and an artificially low point to allow for that scheme, 237 00:12:16,814 --> 00:12:18,774 Speaker 3: and they wanted Trump to kind of use this again 238 00:12:18,814 --> 00:12:20,734 Speaker 3: as a bargaining chip to get them to take away 239 00:12:20,774 --> 00:12:23,774 Speaker 3: the pharmaceutical benefit scheme, but Albernizi has said he's not 240 00:12:23,774 --> 00:12:26,574 Speaker 3: going to do that. So overall, Australian exporters are putting 241 00:12:26,614 --> 00:12:28,774 Speaker 3: on a pretty brave face in terms of the impact 242 00:12:28,774 --> 00:12:31,214 Speaker 3: on Australian consumers. We will see the impact in the 243 00:12:31,214 --> 00:12:33,574 Speaker 3: coming months. There's no way that with global supply chains 244 00:12:33,574 --> 00:12:35,134 Speaker 3: as linked as they are, that we're not going to 245 00:12:35,174 --> 00:12:37,894 Speaker 3: see an impact. I would imagine that basically all consumer 246 00:12:37,894 --> 00:12:40,414 Speaker 3: goods are going to get more expensive. Our three biggest 247 00:12:40,654 --> 00:12:44,174 Speaker 3: import partners are South Korea, China and Japan. They all 248 00:12:44,214 --> 00:12:46,254 Speaker 3: make tons of things that go into everything that we 249 00:12:46,374 --> 00:12:49,974 Speaker 3: use every day, including our iPhones and cars. The cars, 250 00:12:50,014 --> 00:12:52,014 Speaker 3: for sure are going to get more expensive, so I 251 00:12:52,054 --> 00:12:54,894 Speaker 3: think goods across the bord are going to get pricier. Finally, 252 00:12:55,134 --> 00:12:58,054 Speaker 3: political impact, I think Trump's become a bit of a 253 00:12:58,054 --> 00:13:01,294 Speaker 3: toxic brand in Australia. People keep sending me this meme 254 00:13:01,374 --> 00:13:05,574 Speaker 3: of Dutton's face superimposed with Trump's, sending this idea that 255 00:13:05,654 --> 00:13:07,974 Speaker 3: Dutton is Trump in disguise kind of thing, and that's 256 00:13:07,974 --> 00:13:10,774 Speaker 3: seen as a politically strong message I guess by the 257 00:13:10,774 --> 00:13:13,054 Speaker 3: groups such as unions that are putting that message out 258 00:13:13,094 --> 00:13:15,294 Speaker 3: in the world. So I think that this is all 259 00:13:15,334 --> 00:13:18,934 Speaker 3: benefited albaneasy because the chaos in the US seems very 260 00:13:18,974 --> 00:13:20,894 Speaker 3: unattractive to Australians right now. 261 00:13:25,054 --> 00:13:27,574 Speaker 2: Married at First Night has just wrapped up what might 262 00:13:27,614 --> 00:13:30,054 Speaker 2: be its most controversial season yet. 263 00:13:30,334 --> 00:13:32,734 Speaker 4: I think today speak toolums. Why would I want to say anything? 264 00:13:32,934 --> 00:13:36,654 Speaker 4: I don't think you're doing you me? Yeah, what is 265 00:13:36,654 --> 00:13:39,974 Speaker 4: his stuff? Don't even try bringing my sister into this. 266 00:13:40,414 --> 00:13:42,254 Speaker 4: Talk about her once and I'll come at you. 267 00:13:42,734 --> 00:13:46,414 Speaker 2: The show has faced unprecedented criticism this year from off 268 00:13:46,494 --> 00:13:50,694 Speaker 2: camera work safe investigations. Maths has taken reality TV to 269 00:13:50,774 --> 00:13:55,174 Speaker 2: a new level. Mumma Mes Senior entertainment writer Tara Watson 270 00:13:55,214 --> 00:13:59,094 Speaker 2: has been recapping every single moment from this season. Tara, 271 00:13:59,374 --> 00:14:03,774 Speaker 2: Maths has been wild from start to finish. How would 272 00:14:03,814 --> 00:14:05,854 Speaker 2: you describe last night's finale? Did we go out with 273 00:14:05,894 --> 00:14:06,254 Speaker 2: the bang? 274 00:14:06,574 --> 00:14:10,414 Speaker 5: The final commitment ceremony is actually pretty tame due to 275 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:13,494 Speaker 5: the final dinner party that's like crazy chaotic. Where is 276 00:14:13,534 --> 00:14:15,934 Speaker 5: this one more about like tying up loose ends and 277 00:14:16,014 --> 00:14:19,254 Speaker 5: just kind of holding people accountable for the final time? 278 00:14:19,614 --> 00:14:21,894 Speaker 2: And do we feel like that happened? Was justice served 279 00:14:21,894 --> 00:14:23,494 Speaker 2: to the people that it needed to be served to? 280 00:14:23,974 --> 00:14:26,654 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think justice was mostly served. I would have 281 00:14:26,734 --> 00:14:29,414 Speaker 5: liked to be more justice for Adrian, but I think 282 00:14:29,454 --> 00:14:33,574 Speaker 5: they really saved all their justice for Paul. The experts 283 00:14:33,614 --> 00:14:34,734 Speaker 5: were very grumpy with him. 284 00:14:35,094 --> 00:14:38,574 Speaker 2: So Paul is the person who punched a wall during 285 00:14:38,574 --> 00:14:42,214 Speaker 2: this season. He was then later sort of investigated both 286 00:14:42,214 --> 00:14:45,134 Speaker 2: on and off screen. What is his conclusion in the 287 00:14:45,174 --> 00:14:46,134 Speaker 2: math storyline? 288 00:14:46,334 --> 00:14:49,174 Speaker 5: So he ended up being dumped by Karina after he 289 00:14:49,214 --> 00:14:52,214 Speaker 5: went on a date with someone I also sounds ridiculous. 290 00:14:52,334 --> 00:14:54,894 Speaker 5: He did many things to her and finally she dumped 291 00:14:54,934 --> 00:14:57,934 Speaker 5: him at final vows, and then at the reading and 292 00:14:57,974 --> 00:15:00,694 Speaker 5: dinner party, he decided to switch the narrative that he 293 00:15:00,814 --> 00:15:04,334 Speaker 5: was the victim and that he thought they weren't compatible 294 00:15:04,374 --> 00:15:08,094 Speaker 5: anymore because some classic male thing. Too is just switching 295 00:15:08,134 --> 00:15:11,294 Speaker 5: it so that he's not being dumped or rejected anymore 296 00:15:11,334 --> 00:15:12,614 Speaker 5: because he's rejecting her. 297 00:15:13,214 --> 00:15:16,134 Speaker 2: The Jackie and Clint situation is something else that dominated 298 00:15:16,174 --> 00:15:19,694 Speaker 2: headlines during this season. What's the latest development with these two? 299 00:15:19,974 --> 00:15:22,334 Speaker 5: So things are happening and it all happened this week. 300 00:15:22,454 --> 00:15:24,934 Speaker 5: So Jackie and Clint had been dating for four months. 301 00:15:25,054 --> 00:15:28,574 Speaker 5: Just make that clear. So there was a viewing party 302 00:15:28,734 --> 00:15:33,454 Speaker 5: on Sunday night, and on stage Clint proposed to Jackie. 303 00:15:33,894 --> 00:15:36,974 Speaker 5: Oh so Clint and Jackie are getting. 304 00:15:36,654 --> 00:15:39,894 Speaker 2: Married, okay, and so we reckon. That's not just for cameras, 305 00:15:39,934 --> 00:15:41,054 Speaker 2: that's for realsy. 306 00:15:41,294 --> 00:15:44,174 Speaker 5: I don't know. I did actually talk to Jackie last week, 307 00:15:44,214 --> 00:15:46,694 Speaker 5: and I can tell she's head over heels for Clint. 308 00:15:46,734 --> 00:15:49,254 Speaker 5: So I'm a believer. I'm gonna believe that it's real. 309 00:15:49,694 --> 00:15:52,334 Speaker 2: Jackie's not the only contestant you've spoken to during this 310 00:15:52,414 --> 00:15:55,574 Speaker 2: season of Maths. Talk to me you recently, as in 311 00:15:55,694 --> 00:15:58,694 Speaker 2: like yesterday, spoke to Afina. What did she have to say? 312 00:15:58,814 --> 00:16:01,214 Speaker 5: So, yeah, I did ask Kafina about the Jackie and 313 00:16:01,254 --> 00:16:03,494 Speaker 5: Clint of it all, and she seemed happy for Jackie. 314 00:16:03,534 --> 00:16:06,294 Speaker 5: She was actually the viewing party with Ryan. So Ryan 315 00:16:06,454 --> 00:16:09,174 Speaker 5: was told, like in real time that Jackie just got engaged, 316 00:16:09,334 --> 00:16:11,974 Speaker 5: and he wasn't as kind. I think he told Daily 317 00:16:12,014 --> 00:16:14,214 Speaker 5: Mail who thinks it was a publicity's stunt and it 318 00:16:14,254 --> 00:16:15,014 Speaker 5: was all planned? 319 00:16:15,134 --> 00:16:20,094 Speaker 2: But whatever, Ryan, this season has faced unprecedented criticism, Tara. 320 00:16:20,134 --> 00:16:22,174 Speaker 2: I know that we've spoken to you previously on the 321 00:16:22,174 --> 00:16:24,734 Speaker 2: show about this. What is it about this year that's 322 00:16:24,734 --> 00:16:27,094 Speaker 2: been so different from previous years of Maths. 323 00:16:27,614 --> 00:16:29,774 Speaker 5: So in recent years year there has been more and 324 00:16:29,854 --> 00:16:32,694 Speaker 5: more contestants kind of going rogue and wanting to question 325 00:16:32,774 --> 00:16:35,654 Speaker 5: their edits. But I feel this year is when the 326 00:16:35,734 --> 00:16:39,294 Speaker 5: contestants have really taken their power back. There's been a 327 00:16:39,414 --> 00:16:42,854 Speaker 5: major power shift, and I think it's examples like Jackie, 328 00:16:42,894 --> 00:16:47,574 Speaker 5: Ryan and Marina all creating alternative Instagram accounts to share 329 00:16:47,614 --> 00:16:50,454 Speaker 5: their story, and also just the fact that this year 330 00:16:50,814 --> 00:16:54,814 Speaker 5: four of the contestants did not go to the reunions. 331 00:16:55,174 --> 00:16:57,694 Speaker 5: They just refused to participate, and there was also a 332 00:16:57,694 --> 00:17:00,414 Speaker 5: bunch of contestants that wouldn't give over their instagrams. So 333 00:17:00,494 --> 00:17:03,334 Speaker 5: it is these contestants finally being like I am actually 334 00:17:03,374 --> 00:17:07,094 Speaker 5: in control. The fans aren't looking to Channel nine, they're 335 00:17:07,134 --> 00:17:09,654 Speaker 5: not looking to Maths producers to see what are they 336 00:17:09,694 --> 00:17:11,494 Speaker 5: have it on the show. They're looking at the contestants, 337 00:17:11,494 --> 00:17:12,974 Speaker 5: so they actually do have the power. 338 00:17:13,254 --> 00:17:15,334 Speaker 2: Well that's the conversation that we have to grapple with, 339 00:17:15,414 --> 00:17:18,894 Speaker 2: isn't it, Because every time something controversial or chaotic happens 340 00:17:18,894 --> 00:17:20,734 Speaker 2: on a show like Maths, we all get up in 341 00:17:20,814 --> 00:17:22,534 Speaker 2: arms about it, We report about it and say it 342 00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:25,094 Speaker 2: can't go on like this something needs to change, But 343 00:17:25,094 --> 00:17:29,054 Speaker 2: then there's a massive rating spike and it really begs 344 00:17:29,094 --> 00:17:31,734 Speaker 2: that question of well, why would producers slow down the chaos. 345 00:17:32,094 --> 00:17:35,254 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there's going to be any huge 346 00:17:35,414 --> 00:17:37,934 Speaker 5: changes as far as the chaos goes. I think this 347 00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:41,374 Speaker 5: show thrives on chaos. I would like to see changes 348 00:17:41,414 --> 00:17:43,494 Speaker 5: in some of these edits and how a lot of 349 00:17:43,534 --> 00:17:47,254 Speaker 5: the women and their characters are warped on the show, 350 00:17:47,334 --> 00:17:49,854 Speaker 5: because I think it can be quite misogynistic, and as 351 00:17:49,854 --> 00:17:52,094 Speaker 5: we've seen this you with Jackie and Marina, they are 352 00:17:52,214 --> 00:17:56,014 Speaker 5: very much questioned in their edits because of the hate 353 00:17:56,334 --> 00:17:59,334 Speaker 5: campaigns they are on the end of. And in the 354 00:17:59,374 --> 00:18:01,374 Speaker 5: case of the women on this show, you've had people 355 00:18:01,414 --> 00:18:04,534 Speaker 5: like Alissa from previous season speaking out to question their 356 00:18:04,614 --> 00:18:07,894 Speaker 5: edits because they've had the public turn on them, and 357 00:18:07,974 --> 00:18:11,334 Speaker 5: women get hate at rate that is uncomparable to men, 358 00:18:11,414 --> 00:18:13,534 Speaker 5: Like for example, this year, you know you've got Adrian 359 00:18:13,574 --> 00:18:16,494 Speaker 5: and Paul and their terrible behavior. I would hazard a 360 00:18:16,534 --> 00:18:19,014 Speaker 5: guess that Jackie's got triple the amount of hate that 361 00:18:19,094 --> 00:18:22,294 Speaker 5: they've both gotten online because she's a woman. Because yes, 362 00:18:22,454 --> 00:18:26,454 Speaker 5: chaos will always resist, but we can't just be leaning 363 00:18:26,494 --> 00:18:28,694 Speaker 5: back on these misogynistic tropes all the time. 364 00:18:29,494 --> 00:18:31,574 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 365 00:18:31,654 --> 00:18:34,494 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano, 366 00:18:34,574 --> 00:18:37,814 Speaker 2: and Clare Murphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.