WEBVTT - Wait, What Do You Mean That Toy Isn't Safe!? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.080 We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land we're recording 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:03.720 on today. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.360 So what products have always been safety tested? 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:12.280 None? 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:12.760 None? 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.480 I'm sorry, what because it's not a legal requirement. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.640 Hello, welcome back. This is eat Sleeve Shit Repeat the. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:27.200 Wildly Unhinged Podcast, hopefully your favorite podcast about the madness 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.160 that is motherhood and everything in between. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.920 I'm Kelly McCarran and I'm kirious selves and I want 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:33.760 to say something I have not stopped thinking about it. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.360 Episode from last week, if you missed it, we spoke 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:40.479 to a fascinating shitter, Kirsty, who was Australia's first uterus 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.880 transplant recipient, with her donut being her mum. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:49.400 Honestly, modern medicine collapse. Yeah, well done, modern medicine. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:49.960 Big ups. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.160 If you told us what could happen maybe thirty years ago, 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:54.640 we would not have believed it. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.320 We simply would not have believed it. Actually, to be fair, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:58.920 we did believe that cars would fly. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.080 Think about that, and we still don't really have them 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:02.440 at all. 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.720 But medicine, at least the important things are fancy so true. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.680 On the show today, we are talking to another fabulous shitter, Kate, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.720 who while on Matt Lee decided to launch a little 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:15.440 side hustle designing baby products. She quickly learned about the 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.560 complex world of Australian toy safety standards and regulations and 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:24.160 even loopholes, discovering that a surprising number of businesses don't 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.120 go through proper safety testing yet still sell products for 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.560 infants in toddlers, which is barbaric if you ask. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.360 Me, Yeah, piping hot tea. We get into it. It's 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.440 really interesting and it's also shocking, but it's a chat 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.399 that we hope will have an impact on the safety 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:39.080 of our little. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.640 Shitters, because I think that, like, if we just said 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.959 all this episode's about toy safety, it sounds like it's 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.440 going to be boring, but it's not. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:45.959 It's not. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.080 We chose Kate because we read her message and we 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.240 were like, I'm sorry, what. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.280 Yeah, it gets more and more shocking, but there is 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:56.400 hope as well. It's all doom and gloom. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.680 She's also just like hilarious, has a lot of funny 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.720 tale and we go off on some tangent, so it's 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:02.400 a great episode. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.880 As always, it wouldn't be an Shitter interview if we 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.160 didn't go off on a tangent. Australian toy standards and regulation. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.000 Oh my god, it sounds like we're on the news 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:10.400 with that. 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.960 It's not very sexy, but it is very interesting for 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.919 how regulated we are as a country. I don't think 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.640 I'm alone and assuming that this would extend to the 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:23.120 toys and accessories and pacify thing he's on the market 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.520 for our kids. I specifically remember this teether that I 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.800 was gifted or purchased for rou when she was really little. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.000 It was like a wooden circle with four to six 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.240 little wooden knobs on the outside, resembling the shape of 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.000 the sun. And then these little knobs had these little 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.200 rubber circles attached to the end, and they were really 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.120 rock hard. I remember looking at these little rubber circles 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.360 and thinking that they were like hard blueberries, and very 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.120 much the shape and size that I had heard so 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.120 many times were a massive choking hazard. And then I 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.240 remembered thinking, well, these are being sold everywhere. Surely the 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.800 safety standard of the product has been tested, and on 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.040 I went with my day. A few weeks later, I 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.400 came across a product recall. One of those knobs that 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.040 I had been concerned about had detached from that toy 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.400 and a kid had choked on it. That was a 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.639 huge red flag for me as a first time parent. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.960 Never assume and always trust your gut. Call. Have you 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.480 had any eerie moments with toys like that? 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.639 For Lainn, every time I ever received something or opened 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.640 to something and I had a weird feeling about it, 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.840 even if it said it was fine on the packet, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.160 I just chucked it away. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:28.200 Oh wait, put it away. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.360 Like as we discussed in the episode, I have like 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.720 this little abaces Thini that I bought. It immediately just 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.000 went on a high shelf away from Lenny so it 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.200 could be for esthetic purposes. I also remember I got 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.000 a what are those things called the dong you go 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.840 dongdongdong dong dong dong dong dong dong oh xylophone. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.320 Yeah, they are like little weapons. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.680 They're really sharp on the corners. So just stuff like 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.560 that that I just immediately. No one's ever even said anything, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.360 They've never been product recall, but I'm like, that is 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:56.560 a weapon and that shall not be being used. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:56.880 Yeah. 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.560 Yeah, well not all of us are that smart. And 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.920 that tea that has always stuck with me. I think 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:04.520 that's why I was so keen to talk to our 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.360 guest Kate today. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.240 Kate is a shitter, e mum of two, and a 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.240 small business owner. Her story came through in a call 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.680 out I did for fascinating stories. And while Kate's story 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.800 might not be wildly outlandish, these are her words, not ours. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.600 It's quite eye opening, which is why we chose her, 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.960 especially for other parents. While on maternity leave, Kate started 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.240 building a small business, Billy Frank the Label, hoping to 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.200 stay home with her two daughters a little bit longer. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.359 As she designed baby products, what she learned about the 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.479 safety of some products was so eye opening and shocking. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.919 And after navigating the process and meeting all the safety standards, 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.520 which is actually a huge sleigh and way more involved 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.919 than you. Well, it should be way more involved, but 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.400 it's surprising how many people don't involve themselves anyway. For 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.160 her own products, she now feels a responsibility to raise 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.960 awareness and help other parents make informed, safe choices. Welcome Kate. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.480 Firstly, we want to commend you on launching a small 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.479 business on Matt Lee. If that's no small feet, I 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.359 want to remind everyone that I too, launched ESSR on 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.680 my Matt Leaf and you did too, but you didn't 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.720 really take any mat leave, so we'll forget about that. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.760 Can you took us through the decision to dive into 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.960 designing baby products? Where do we even start with something 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:18.360 like that? 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.760 I guess the decision to dive into designing baby products 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.479 specifically was a natural step because I was living and 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.480 breathing all things baby. I still am and have been 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.360 since the end of twenty twenty one when Billy was born. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.960 When Billy was six months old, to celebrate surviving six months, 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.080 we went to Fiji, which was very exciting and I 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.960 was so excited to show off my baby Billy to 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.880 the world because we got pregnant in COVID and then 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.640 we moved out of Sydney and the day that lockdown 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.000 finished in Sydney, it actually came into effect in Newcastle, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.800 which is where we moved, so that was fun for 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.520 me anyway. So no one knew I was pregnant except 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.400 the people that I worked with, and even then they 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.479 hadn't seen my bump because I was from home and 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.480 we didn't announce it to social media. So I was 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.080 really excited. I was going to show off my kid 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.120 to the world. But she weaned herself while we were there, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.000 and she started baby leg weaning, so she was eating, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.560 which was super cute and messy. But all of my 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.640 beautiful photos of us in Fiji are her wearing a 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.880 gray table napkin around her neck to catch all the food. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.920 It's not aesthetic, No, it wasn't aesthetically pleasing, No, couldn't, 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.080 so my photos weren't going Look, I survied pregnancy and 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.039 I did breast beating. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.839 I haven't slept, but look happy my baby is. So 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.400 that was upsetting. So then fast forward a year, so 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.440 I had Frankie and she was six months old, so 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.000 we did the same thing to go away, but I 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.960 was pretty determined to take an aesthetically pleasing bib that 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.920 actually you could wipe down, that was waterproof, because what 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.440 I found is if you're on holidays, you don't have 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.640 a washing machine. And Frankie had just started baby leg weaning. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.880 So I bought all these very very cute outfits, and 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.120 then I didn't want them to get ruined because if 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.440 you're going out to breakfast again, you don't have a 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.200 washing machine. So I started researching. I wanted one that 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.480 was waterproof that you could wipe off, and one that 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.880 was aesthetically pleasing and not blue with a truck or 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.040 pink with a unicorn, and I couldn't find anything at all. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.960 I ended up buying one that was reasonably cute to 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.680 look at, but actually quite useless in actually keeping my 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:31.440 kids clean. So that is where it started from, basically 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.480 messy baby lead weening and sick of doing a two 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.360 bib situation or ruining clothes because I'm not very good 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.480 at washing. I'm terrible at getting stains out. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:42.000 Sam. 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:44.520 I think that's so great though, like you solved a 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.000 problem that is very real for parents, especially in those 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:52.119 baby lead weaning like stages. And also there's it's really 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.160 difficult to find ones that actually work as well because 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.040 they're not designed properly. I think, yeah, there's a lot 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.080 of dodgy ones out there. So I love that you 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.040 sold an issue. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.160 Yes, and so it was based off both my girls. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.960 So I did some of the bits. There's a you'd 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:11.440 be shocked, No, there's a matching one for a baby 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:12.840 and a toddler. Yes. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.280 I actually did receive those and rue was so excited 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.760 because lots of stuff's been coming for the baby, and 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.080 she was like Rual, but she also tried to steal 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.160 the teddy Bear, and I was like. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:22.920 That's not the baby. 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:24.600 The baby has no new stuff. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.760 You will find out soon, Key that no one acknowledges 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.200 that you have a second baby. So the first baby, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:36.000 everyone's very excited and sends your baby shower gifts and congratulations. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:40.200 The second one comes in this crickets. So I got 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:44.640 one really beautiful gift for Frankie and it really made 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.280 me think about those gifts that you keep as keepsakes. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.840 We've got one really nice gift from when I mean, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.400 all the gifts really lovely, but one was this really 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.760 beautiful tea that in that beech wood, and Frankie got 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.400 a really beautiful one for her birthday. So that's where 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.559 it led from Bibbs. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:10.360 From Bibbs, I think that's brilliant though, And also I 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.000 really love that idea of like having something that's just 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.960 a really nice gift that they will want to keep 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.280 and maybe like put on their little Like Lenny's got 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.760 this little display cabinet thing that well, actually it's mainly 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.079 just where I put things that I've ordered on Etsy 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.600 that are wildly unsafe for him to use, so that 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:27.439 they look cute. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:28.360 So I put them up there. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:30.839 I will talk to you about Etsy when we get 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:31.480 to it as well. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.280 Oh my god, okay great. As part of the gift, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.319 one of the gifts packs that you have, You've got 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.640 a really cute, beautiful, very aesthetic dummy clip. 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.920 So can you talk us through. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.560 The testing process of a baby product like a dummy clip? 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:47.960 Who carries it out? 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.080 Like how long does it typolically take? And what is 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.760 done to the product to test its safety? Because Lenny 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:00.120 huge dummy kid baby, and we had dummy clips the 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.520 law when he was little, and I think only ever 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.400 had one that was actually cute with his little. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:09.640 Name on it. The rest was so hideous. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.840 And then yeah, I did read I just never thought 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:14.760 about anything. I was never going to put one on 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.880 him to sleep anyway. But then yeah, I read something 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.760 about like some of them could be dangerous. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.839 Yeah, it's actually wild because in my head, if I 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.720 neither of my girls to get dummy, because why would 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.760 they want to sleep and let me sleep? But I 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.160 would never have bought one and considered that someone would 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.760 be selling something that wasn't safe, Like I would have 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.600 just looked at it unless it was really obvious, like 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:38.559 bits were falling off and it was loose, I'd be like, oh, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:40.640 that's cute. Like we were given them for both girls, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.520 and I didn't think anything of it. I'm like, oh, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.120 that's cute, but neither used to dummy. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:45.400 I'm pretty naive. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.199 I just always I think I like to give people 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.280 the benefit of a doubt as well, and I just 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.800 think that people aren't out to get us, so I 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.400 agree as well, Like I would just assume that a 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.520 company that's selling a baby toy it would be safe 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:00.080 for a baby. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.480 You would assume that is the assumption that many people 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:04.920 make and what. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.200 I should be able to do technically, like you would think, you. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.360 Would think and hope. However, in all the research that 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.840 I've done recently, it's not necessarily true with a dummy clip, 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.040 though it is different slightly so for dummy clips specifically, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.400 in twenty seventeen, the Consumer Goods Baby Dummy and Dummy 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.480 Change Safety Standard was brought in, so from twenty seventeen 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.960 it was illegal to sell a dummy clip that wasn't 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:32.800 safety tested. 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.480 So what products have always been safety tested? 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:37.440 None? 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:38.680 None? 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.480 Yeah, it's going to blow your mind. So this as well, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.640 I went, Really, I'd like deep dived into it since 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.480 we've spoken, and it's actually blowing my mind. So my 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.840 friend works for one of the top global insurance companies 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.480 at a very high level. With the old standard, which 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.439 was a two thousand and three standard, it just said 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.400 you don't willingly knowingly sell toys that aren't safe. So 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.320 if I looked if I made a toy and I went, yep, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.880 this is good, it's safe, I could sell it. If 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.480 I heard a child the a triple C can then 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.080 choose to recall it. They can then choose to find you, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.000 and if it goes to court, they'll look deeply into 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.880 the lads, We'll look into it and see if you 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:27.679 have actually done accountability and made sure that the product 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:28.360 was safe. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.800 So basically they're relying on your due diligence and you're 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.240 like call on whether or not your product is safe. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.400 And more than likely, in general, I would say you 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.920 might get a slap on the wrist. 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.680 Really no real life consequences. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.439 I went back to look at these statistics report and 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:53.240 I can't find anything significant about big insurance claims on 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.120 products where the child has been hurt. Does that make sense? 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.520 So it hasn't got to that level but in saying 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.360 that if toy that I was given broke, I would 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:03.120 just put it in the bin. 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.880 Yeah, so true. Unless something dire happens, you're not going 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:07.679 to report it. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:09.720 No, And I think this is what we need to 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.040 be doing, Like I really so, I would really like 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.440 this to be a bit of a passion project for 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:19.240 me because everyone that I've spoken to again just assumes 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.840 that it's safe. So if I bought something, I would 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.160 assume it was safe. But if I bought something off Temu, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.000 definitely don't make that assumption. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.120 No exactly, but then they're all coming from the. 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:36.120 Same way, but because it's sold under an Australian business, 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.520 you assume it. And even that I bought toys for 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.960 Billy for the plane to go to Fiji, and I 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.200 just bought off Amazon and they definitely were not safe. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.160 Like now that I reflect and I'm like, oh, that 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:49.839 was a strangling raceaw you would have choked one that 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.600 this is fun shit. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.600 I'm just thinking about the trip I did to Europe 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.760 and all of the things I got off Amazon there, Like. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.280 Yeah, because Amazon is just the Australian Temu. Yes, if 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.520 I don't want to wait two weeks for that toy. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.439 I will pay Amazon three times and have it the 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:05.920 next day. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:07.840 Yeah, oh my god, Kate, you're going to die. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.920 Actually, just as we were just talking and Amazon delivery 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.439 arrived that I ordered at ten pm last night. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:16.360 See this is why Amazon's great. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.920 Because I was like, I need an iPad cover. We're 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.200 going on a plane. And then I was like, oh, 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.440 just get one and get it delivered tomorrow. Yeah, brilliant, 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.240 and I would who knows what it's made of? 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.320 Who knows? So it arrived today, Yep. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.080 Definitely wasn't made in Australia. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.160 Convenience. Yeah, what we really care about. It's al how 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.760 soon into your process of designing did you sort of 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:40.560 become aware of these Well it's not even loopholes. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.200 So that's interesting as well. So you and I talked 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.640 about the loophole because that's something I got really caught on. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.800 I was so upset by it that there was a 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.880 loophole that people could go through if they wanted to 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.720 with safety testing, which I thought was horrible, Like, I 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:59.680 can't imagine risking a child's life to make free dooms. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.840 The loophole that we're talking about. Sorry, assumed knowledge or 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.120 just rewind it back a little bit. So the first 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.720 kind of thing that shocked you was a loophole around 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.800 the rattles. Yeah, the sizing. Can you talk us through that? 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.600 I definitely can. So with the dummies, they test for 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.479 four things. The length must not exceed twenty two centimeters 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.840 otherwise it's a strangulation risk. The strength is tested to 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:25.480 make sure you can't break or tear under pressure. Then 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.840 the little clip is open and shut multiple times to 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.600 make sure that it won't break. And then there's not 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.080 allowed to be any details or labels on dummy clips. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.160 So they're the four things they test for. 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.640 Who are you sending it to? Are you paying for 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.240 it to be done? It's not being sent to a 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.720 regulatory board like you're sending it to a private lab. 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.280 Yes. So there's oz Test, which is an Australian based 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.600 testing company and they test everything under the sun, not 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.760 just toys. Then there's another company that is a world 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:01.200 no one called SGS, which is a globally international testing company. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.120 So I went through them. Generally speaking, at the moment, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.800 if you're trying to get insurance that cover your toys 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:13.680 or baby products, the insurance companies prefer international testing company 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.840 like OZ Test, or SGS, otherwise they will not accept 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.240 their safety certification to cover you in insurance. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.320 And is that because the products are being sold intnationally 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.480 and I want like the regulations to be met at 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.440 an international level or that that's a really good question. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:35.200 But it's because os Test and SGS are reputable, so 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:40.280 it's not a little unknown testing company in China facts 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:46.160 that may not be as rigorous as an Australian testing. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.560 Company, right right, That makes sense. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:49.440 So I had to send it off to Hong Kong 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.680 because they're not actually based to hear, and then once 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.920 they received the samples, it took seven to ten working 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:59.000 days and then I received a digital safety certificate back, 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.440 which is when I found out the dummy and the 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.399 rattle didn't pass safety testing, which is what led me 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.399 into my chakhara of the loophole. And that's how I 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.240 discovered the loophole. So it's really expensive to get your 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:17.320 product safety tested by a reputable testing company. So I 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.720 had spent a lot of money on the rattles because 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.959 I assumed they were safe. And I assumed they were 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.480 safe because when I started working or started designing the products, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.280 I worked with a sustainability consultant and made sure that 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.240 the suppliers I partnered with aligned with my brand values. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.720 So i'd like hand picked the suppliers that I wanted, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.720 and then to find out that they were selling me 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:44.200 products that weren't safe for children like blew my mind. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.879 So the dummy clip that I had it had wooden 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.120 balls in it, which is fine because they were secure, 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.520 but they didn't meet the impact test. So I sent 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.440 some to key and if you just did a light 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.080 tap with a hammer, the ball split, which then become 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.960 a checking hazard, which is right next to a kid's 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:08.040 face with their dummy So specifically that didn't pass. And 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.280 when I asked them if I could then just have 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:15.200 the dummy clip without the little wooden balls, the actual 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.920 gap in the dummy clip were too small. So there's 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.560 also regulations on how big or small the holes are 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.320 in case fingers get trapped. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.439 Because the dummy clip is like crochet, right, and the 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.920 risk is like obviously if it's too small a finger 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.560 getting caught in circulation, et cetera, et cetera. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.560 Yes, so they didn't pass it when you bopped with 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.760 a hammer, So that was fine I was fine with 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.480 because I was like, holy moly, I would have I 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.639 could have really hurt a child with the rattle. I 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:46.520 could not understand how it didn't pass because it has 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.159 a spheric end, like on the end if it's got 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.560 a ball or a flat end. That has to meet 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.879 a certain size requirement. So I've always been told if 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.560 it's smaller than a twenty saint coin, don't give it 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.480 to a kid. Like common sense. You look something and 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.600 you're like, okay, that's more my child choke on it. 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.879 This was almost four centimeters, so it's almost twice a 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.840 twenty cent coin, but it still didn't actually make It 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.920 needs to be forty three millimeters and that's based purely 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.359 on the size of a baby's throat and if it 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.879 can call like airway obstruction and suffocation. So when that 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:27.720 came back as failing, I was wildly upset both that 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.600 I had bought this. If I hadn't have looked into 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:35.000 insurance and understood that I needed safety testing, I could 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.280 have been selling these to the market like my Frankie 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.560 was playing with them. Yeah, I didn't know that that 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.040