Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out loud, it's what
Speaker 1: women are actually talking about on Friday, fourteenth of August,
Speaker 1: and out loud as I'm Holly Plainwright.
Speaker 2: I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Mura.
Speaker 1: And here's what made our agenda for today. What Miranda
Speaker 1: Kerr's Bison Breakfast tells us about the great wellness escalation.
Speaker 1: Plus you need a bigger world. Just don't bring the
Speaker 1: weather with you.
Speaker 2: And what actually is a bison? Someone is gonna tell
Speaker 2: me before the end of the show, but first, in
Speaker 2: case you missed it.
Speaker 1: What I'm really.
Speaker 2: Excited about is that there's breaking sock news. Oh thank god,
Speaker 2: my favorite kind ankle socks are back. Baby.
Speaker 1: This is good news.
Speaker 2: It's good news for millennials, as Janet as, Okay, what's
Speaker 2: bad news if you've thrown all of yours out? Mina
Speaker 2: just secreted to the back of my wardrobe. Because in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, you might remember, gen Z started laughing
Speaker 2: at our socks. They started saying that our some call
Speaker 2: them ankle socks, some call them invisible socks, ones that
Speaker 2: basically stop either inside your shoe or underneath your ankle.
Speaker 2: They said that they were basically very elderly, very daggy,
Speaker 2: and we got incredible Some of us got incredibly self conscious.
Speaker 1: Which is unfortunate because I'd spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: folding socks down to be like invisible socks inside my trainers,
Speaker 1: and they'd always peek out and I would always look tragic.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I found the whole thing quite confusing because
Speaker 2: I didn't know how high my socks should be. You know,
Speaker 2: I never liked to be on the wrong side of
Speaker 2: a trend. So that's how I found myself standing at
Speaker 2: Target in front of the sock area with another woman
Speaker 2: about my age, and both of us were looking very
Speaker 2: puzzled as we were trying to buy socks that would
Speaker 2: make us look younger. So gen Z has made a
Speaker 2: U turn and they've come. They've the light, and they've
Speaker 2: said that ankle socks are actually back Hurrah, which is
Speaker 2: exciting news. If you want to know a bit of taxonomy,
Speaker 2: invisible socks obviously ones that are inside your shoe. They
Speaker 2: don't cover the top of your foot.
Speaker 3: Examples when you might wear those is when you're a
Speaker 3: real estate agent. This whole sock thing has bullied me
Speaker 3: out of wearing one of my favorite things to wear,
Speaker 3: which would be a skirt and trainers.
Speaker 1: How do you wear a skirt and trainers? If you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to wear visible socks? I will say that
Speaker 1: wearing like is it crew length socks?
Speaker 2: Crew length socks? Well, quarter crew are the ones that
Speaker 2: come just above your ankle. But but crew regular crew
Speaker 2: come halfway.
Speaker 1: Bet up your calf. And so, which which sorts should
Speaker 1: I have been wearing with my quarter crew?
Speaker 2: This is quarter crew that end's gone on because it
Speaker 2: comes up right above there.
Speaker 1: If you had on something that showed your legs once?
Speaker 1: Should I have worn?
Speaker 2: Is crewe length?
Speaker 1: Got it right?
Speaker 2: Crew length comes up halfway up my calf. This is
Speaker 2: why we're now on video for these important questions. See
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, Holly and I would not
Speaker 2: have been able to do that. I didn't own any
Speaker 2: socks that came above my ankle. Bane there's actually a
Speaker 2: man in our office who might be the CEO who
Speaker 2: wears sockets.
Speaker 1: Does not wear socket me, you've just destroyed it.
Speaker 2: Are you one when he has wears a certain type
Speaker 2: of shoe. I don't understand men's clothes, and I couldn't
Speaker 2: care less. But someone said white and you wearing socks
Speaker 2: and he said sockets and they said, I didn't know
Speaker 2: they've made those for men, which is such a disc Anyway,
Speaker 2: there's more sock news and it's very exciting because, as
Speaker 2: I may have mentioned, it's Copenhagen Fashion Week. I'm in
Speaker 2: just heaven because it's the Copenhagen Fashion week that is
Speaker 2: the spring summer season, because the winter one. The people
Speaker 2: what I like most is actually don't look at any
Speaker 2: of the runway stuff. It's all the street style. And
Speaker 2: there's two Copenhagen Fashion weeks, one in January and one
Speaker 2: in August. And the January one might be February it's
Speaker 2: very cold and it's snowing, so everyone when we're in
Speaker 2: the middle of summer, they're all rugged up. This one
Speaker 2: is Copenhagen at its best. It's all the colors. And
Speaker 2: something that I've noticed a lot is some very interesting
Speaker 2: use of socks.
Speaker 1: Like what tollss socks so that you're wearing sandals that
Speaker 1: show you toes.
Speaker 2: Think of it? So yes, So I've started cutting the
Speaker 2: toes that off some of my socks, so it's like
Speaker 2: a little leg warmer but out of a sock. So
Speaker 2: what you can do is that you can wear it. Well,
Speaker 2: if you want to go on Wiki feet, where I
Speaker 2: have my own page that I didn't make, you can
Speaker 2: show toe cleavage but also keep your ankles.
Speaker 1: What shoes would you wear those? You can wear it.
Speaker 1: I think you're asking the right questions. What is toe cleavage?
Speaker 2: Well, people who like feet, the line between your toes
Speaker 2: like cleavage for your boobs, but your toe. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's big on Wiki feet because like tea, if you're
Speaker 2: if you want to put your feet on only fans,
Speaker 2: there's totalleavage is big. But you can wear them with
Speaker 2: ballet flats, you can wear them with heels like kitten heels.
Speaker 1: Then no one would see the toelessness of them.
Speaker 2: But that's the point. So it mew you did this
Speaker 2: first where they had them inside the it's not to
Speaker 2: show your toes where it can be. It means that
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, i'd up your leg.
Speaker 2: Well, it helps you because you can't usually wear like
Speaker 2: if you've tried to wear socks with like ballet flats
Speaker 2: or socks with high heels, you can get it can
Speaker 2: get a bit slippery, right, and also if you're wearing
Speaker 2: because the big shoe of next spring summer is like
Speaker 2: a thong bof shoes, but no, not whose shoes a thong,
Speaker 2: but with a kitten heel. It's like a high heel thong. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you can't wear that with a sock because it
Speaker 2: will go between your toes, so you and also you'll
Speaker 2: slip out of it.
Speaker 1: But you can if you.
Speaker 4: Cut your if you want the essence of a sock
Speaker 4: load of socking.
Speaker 1: It's just become too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all under the umbrella of weird sock theory.
Speaker 2: If you remember weird show shoe theories, which was when
Speaker 2: you made an outfit look more interesting by wearing the
Speaker 2: wrong type of shoe. Socks are like that now too,
Speaker 2: So you wear deliberately odd socks to elevate a boring
Speaker 2: outfit or do something funny with your socks.
Speaker 1: Sock colored socks could be helpful because I can never
Speaker 1: pair my socks. We have to orker our family socks
Speaker 1: in our house live in one big bucket in the
Speaker 1: living room. And when people come over they say, oh,
Speaker 1: you have a sock bucket, I'd say, indeed, we do.
Speaker 1: Just go in there. Well, were just everybody's socks are
Speaker 1: in there. I don't wear bread socks. They're like bushwalking
Speaker 1: socks with the toes, although maybe they're cool. Now we
Speaker 1: have all of our odds socks.
Speaker 2: Someone tied them all together with one odd sock, a
Speaker 2: longer odd sock, and so now I walk around as
Speaker 2: though it's microphone and offer it to everyone in my family.
Speaker 2: My son the other day went, well, the problem is
Speaker 2: that my sock is the one that's around everything else,
Speaker 2: which seems like it's a little bit foundational socks.
Speaker 1: Who knew there was so much to it? Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get onto something that definitely isn't strange at all, which
Speaker 1: is eating.
Speaker 3: Bison for breakfast. Oh yummy, I know, yum, yum yum.
Speaker 3: We do have to get more protein, well.
Speaker 2: We do.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is the basic pitches among us
Speaker 1: are hammering in our protein with cottage, cheese and eggs.
Speaker 1: We are not supermodels. They're not doing that.
Speaker 2: Is a bison type of cow.
Speaker 1: It's a cut type of buffalo. Okay, so a bison
Speaker 1: is a big I think they are native to America.
Speaker 1: They are big, like buffalo looking creatures. Huge, right. Mirandaka
Speaker 1: started all this bison chat when she went on Kristin
Speaker 1: Cavaleri's podcast recently. The podcast is called I've forgotten what
Speaker 1: it's called because it really doesn't matter. It's just her
Speaker 1: talking to famous people about things like what do they
Speaker 1: eat and what are they put on their faces? Right
Speaker 1: in the course of this interview, Miranda Kerr, Australia's own,
Speaker 1: says that she lies on an infrared mat every morning.
Speaker 1: She was doing it in her pajamas, but now she
Speaker 1: knows she has to get nude to get the full
Speaker 1: effect of whatever that is. She also has something called
Speaker 1: a lima light next to her bed. In the morning,
Speaker 1: she has a shot of nanny juice, followed by some
Speaker 1: marshmallow tea that is not made with marshmallows because that
Speaker 1: sounded good. Yeah, it's made with marshmallow leaf. Ah.
Speaker 4: And I don't know she's still doing the nanny juice though.
Speaker 1: She's been doing that since she's a teenager. And then
Speaker 1: some coffee, but not just any coffee, mold and lead
Speaker 1: free coffee that she buys but then gets tested herself
Speaker 1: to make sure it really is mold and lead free.
Speaker 4: Are we drinking moldy enough?
Speaker 1: Allegedly we are, we us plubs. We don't know what
Speaker 1: we're drinking. And then she might have some coconut yogurt
Speaker 1: and a bite of banana if you're still here. One
Speaker 1: just one bite, yeah, just one. Christin Cavalery got very
Speaker 1: granular with this, and look, it was a lot to
Speaker 1: get through, to be honest. But what comes after the
Speaker 1: banana and the mold free coffee is where the Internet
Speaker 1: got excited. And it is this bit where Christin Cavalery
Speaker 1: dares to ask such a basic question as so for breakfast,
Speaker 1: then do you eat some eggs?
Speaker 2: Do we do eggs? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't do eggs.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what's the breakfast for you?
Speaker 1: I do protein, So I eat like venison.
Speaker 3: Bison, yeah, loads of nutrients, turkey, yeah okay.
Speaker 1: I eat all the meats that aren't mass produced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, great for the reasons that we all know exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, we do race.
Speaker 2: Do you do any carbs? I really eat a lot
Speaker 2: of squash okay, and carrots and passnips. Okay. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you really, I mean you are super healthy.
Speaker 1: She goes on to say no spinach, no kale, no
Speaker 1: green leafy vegetables. They're bad now like they were good.
Speaker 1: Once she makes carab sugar free hot chocolate, sometimes with
Speaker 1: coconut milk that she's also had tested to make sure
Speaker 1: it really is coconut milk. Her beauty treatments involve all
Speaker 1: these things that I've never heard of, Like I think
Speaker 1: I know things about beauty, like serums and injections and things.
Speaker 1: All hers are like, it's vad nap, like just shit
Speaker 1: that we don't know. And I think I have a theory,
Speaker 1: which is wellness has become very mainstream, Like you know,
Speaker 1: the whole notion of Pete Evans likes to say this
Speaker 1: a lot. He was like back in the day when
Speaker 1: I said I activated almonds, everybody thought I was crazy,
Speaker 1: And now you can buy activated almonds at Woollies. The
Speaker 1: thing is is that wellness has become so mainstream that
Speaker 1: the eye we would have once gone like a green smoothie,
Speaker 1: and now you can. I can literally buy a green
Speaker 1: smoothie in the servo, right, I can buy green smoothie anywhere,
Speaker 1: So that's not special anymore. That's just like common or garden.
Speaker 1: I can buy free range, hormone free chicken. I can
Speaker 1: buy whatever in a normal supermarket. Bison, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: very hard to get. I think this is about status.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: First thing, I want to pour one out for Kristin
Speaker 3: because I can just tell the way she was replying
Speaker 3: to that, going excellent, oh wow, very healthy, amazing, great
Speaker 3: fun producers just looking up what.
Speaker 2: It's also good podech interviewing technique when you just want
Speaker 2: to give someone more and more rope because you know
Speaker 2: that what they're saying is going to get clipped and
Speaker 2: become part of the zeit. Guys, wish this has well done.
Speaker 1: And she would be very much in that California wellness
Speaker 1: world that Miranda's in, but just at a different level,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, a different tea, because she
Speaker 1: would also know that like, oh, these days are not
Speaker 1: supposed to eat spinach for some God's saken reason. But
Speaker 1: she's not where Miranda is, which is like, oh, squash,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So she keeps going, I've
Speaker 1: never heard of that.
Speaker 2: Holy squashed zucchini or is it sweet potagoashes?
Speaker 1: Pumpkin kind of like a sort of pumpkin, a yellowy pumpkin,
Speaker 1: but it can also be zucchin. I don't know what
Speaker 1: Americans called squash. I think is like they're all into
Speaker 1: eating rooty vegetables now because apparent and please don't pay
Speaker 1: any attention to this, because every nutritionist on the planet
Speaker 1: says it's bullshit, and don't say it green leafy vegetables,
Speaker 1: which we all know are very good for us. The
Speaker 1: carnivors say no, they're full of things that repel predators.
Speaker 1: Therefore they will repel your gut. What well, Miranda said,
Speaker 1: not to have coun spinach. I'm not going to have
Speaker 1: coun spinach.
Speaker 2: That hard for you.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so messed up.
Speaker 2: The clip of this podcast has done three and a
Speaker 2: half million views at time of recording, and the comments
Speaker 2: are pretty split between criticizing and openly mocking her. Not
Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, yay, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go find me some bison. The biggest geist I think
Speaker 2: is interesting because celebrity diet confessions. When people were celebs
Speaker 2: were asked what they eat, it used to be very much.
Speaker 2: I eat burgers. I am so normal, I ate fries.
Speaker 2: And now the flex as you say, whole is restriction,
Speaker 2: but I would say this is restriction to the point
Speaker 2: of I mean, you know, dietitians, everyone's skirting around the
Speaker 2: word orthorexia, but it's this line between when does clean
Speaker 2: eating tip into orthorexia, which is the one eating disorder
Speaker 2: that gets applauded on wellness podcast like this one instead
Speaker 2: of flagged is concerning.
Speaker 1: But it's not even restriction, it's purity. It's this obsession.
Speaker 1: That's what restriction is. It's control, right, It's like there's
Speaker 1: an idea, but that's.
Speaker 2: What having an eating disorder is, absolutely his control and
Speaker 2: restriction and purity.
Speaker 1: But also I think there's another piece to this, which
Speaker 1: is about this prestige, is that the ordinary plubs of
Speaker 1: the world in America are getting all getting sick this
Speaker 1: summer from the lattice that they in their taco bell. Right,
Speaker 1: there was this big story that there was a you know,
Speaker 1: a terrible case of food, and fact, yeah, that mostly
Speaker 1: the result of fast food restaurants. Most Americans are eating
Speaker 1: a lot of processed food. So telling people to eat
Speaker 1: real food is not a dangerous message. Telling people to
Speaker 1: eat real food, of course, not that you should be
Speaker 1: going around telling people to eat anything, but like offering
Speaker 1: nutritional advice that is, maybe don't eat so much hyper
Speaker 1: processed food is not dangerous. This is a flex of
Speaker 1: a very specific type of very beautiful well wealthy person
Speaker 1: who is like normal people, food is not what I eat.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's normal, I don't eat it.
Speaker 1: And so she Miranda Kerr, who has always been very
Speaker 1: open to talking about her wellness diets, used to go
Speaker 1: on and on about celery juice, for example, like I
Speaker 1: just juice celery every day and I eat that. Now
Speaker 1: that's not cool because everyone does that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Everyone juices. So it's sort of.
Speaker 2: The It's like an escalation saying I'm better than you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that lots of people will say,
Speaker 1: you know that all kinds of nutritional advices help them enormously.
Speaker 1: Don't eat that, do eat this or whatever. But it's
Speaker 1: become like a status symbol.
Speaker 3: But I also think it's a product of when you
Speaker 3: are a billionaire with nothing to do. You see one
Speaker 3: video saying bison is good for you, and then you
Speaker 3: order some bison, and then you just get into this
Speaker 3: realm of being so self obsessed that that is just
Speaker 3: your thing. It just becomes your thing.
Speaker 2: And when I was watching this video, it's identity around
Speaker 2: what you eat. It is.
Speaker 3: But watching this video, I was like, isn't this what
Speaker 3: we want? Celebrities to do, like to actually tell us
Speaker 3: what they're doing. And she's literally just telling us what
Speaker 3: she's actually doing. Like, I just see this as her
Speaker 3: being her most authentic self, and we don't want that
Speaker 3: because what she's saying.
Speaker 2: Is making her Yeah, but hang on, when we ask
Speaker 2: celebrities what they eat, let's be honest about what we're
Speaker 2: really asking is how they look like that? Right?
Speaker 1: We don't care what they eat. We don't care. That's
Speaker 1: not what this is about. It's not about recipes.
Speaker 2: It's about how are you the mother of three or
Speaker 2: four kids and you are that skinny? And that's when
Speaker 2: we're asking Gwyneth. When we're asking Miranda Kerr, we're not
Speaker 2: asking people who aren't extremely underweight or who aren't you know,
Speaker 2: the size that our culture awards.
Speaker 4: Which is very very small. But she was literally asked,
Speaker 4: what are you eating?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I know, but what do you think? Why do you
Speaker 2: think everyone leans in when Miranda Kurr says what she's
Speaker 2: eating because everyone wants to know if I eat that,
Speaker 2: will I look like you too? I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I think I want to know what she's eating because
Speaker 3: I'm interested in what a billionaire actually does in their
Speaker 3: day to day life, like I want to know what
Speaker 3: they're eating, and what she's eating does sound like a
Speaker 3: billionaire's diet, and that's interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because to your point before me, are
Speaker 1: about how they used to be this flex that was
Speaker 1: like eating Burger flex and I found it really refreshing
Speaker 1: when some actresses in Hollywood said, I think Ken Katrell
Speaker 1: was one of the first I remember who said the
Speaker 1: whole time I was on sex and the city I
Speaker 1: was on diet, I was hungry the whole time, right,
Speaker 1: And lots of actresses after they have come off, you know,
Speaker 1: a really a successful run of anything, we'll say restriction
Speaker 1: is part of it, Like we are all just told
Speaker 1: all the time to be skinny, skinny, skinny. It was refreshed.
Speaker 1: It's refreshing to hear that, and that's why in some
Speaker 1: ways I agree with em that I almost find it
Speaker 1: comforting when I hear these ridiculous, kind of very elaborate,
Speaker 1: completely out of reach diets that the one percent or
Speaker 1: on or a certain portion of them are because dudes
Speaker 1: are doing this too in Hollywood. Now it's all dressed
Speaker 1: up as longevity as health, like Miranda curR says in
Speaker 1: this you know, the thing that's important to me is
Speaker 1: living as long as I can, and that has now
Speaker 1: become the new guys for rather than saying because I
Speaker 1: want to look great or I want to maintain my
Speaker 1: weight or whatever, it's like longevity and health. So on
Speaker 1: one level, I find it refreshing to realize just how
Speaker 1: out of reach and obsessive and difficult and expensive this
Speaker 1: level of eating is. On the other hand, given what
Speaker 1: I was just saying about how wellness has become really
Speaker 1: mainstream and what what seems really out there at one
Speaker 1: point then is everywhere the next point. That's why it's
Speaker 1: interesting too write because she suddenly she makes a throwaway
Speaker 1: comment on this podcast that like, I don't eat sushi
Speaker 1: anymore because it's full of parasites. Everybody's like what, and
Speaker 1: nutritionists and diettians and doctors saying that's true exactly.
Speaker 3: I think she's also coming from maybe like a bit
Speaker 3: of a scared place, because she has talked about being
Speaker 3: diagnosed with an autoimmune disease before, and from having friends
Speaker 3: and family you've had autoimmune disease, especially when it impacts
Speaker 3: your diet food does become scared massive, I can becomes.
Speaker 1: A very unsafe space.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: I think if you have access to all the money
Speaker 3: in the world and you can make your perfect diet,
Speaker 3: that's sue to you where you know, if I just
Speaker 3: eat this every day, it will be okay. I can
Speaker 3: see where she's coming from and that point of view.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Out Louders on Thursday subscriber episode It's me a Friedman
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm joined by Holly and Emma and
Speaker 2: we discuss the influencer recession. Some people are mad at
Speaker 2: influencers other people people are feeling really sad that they're
Speaker 2: having to pivot to rage bait and em thinks that
Speaker 2: someone is a dick. Who that person is?
Speaker 3: Find out out Louders in a moment why you need
Speaker 3: a bigger world? So there's a TikTok by a man
Speaker 3: named Sean Johnson and it's going a bit viral on
Speaker 3: his page. Johnson gives a lot of philosophical advice from
Speaker 3: the lens of a CEO and a marketing professional, so
Speaker 3: they always have like this bit of like how you
Speaker 3: can apply this to the workplace, And he recently posted
Speaker 3: a video on why everyone needs a bigger world.
Speaker 4: Here is what he said, I'm not even.
Speaker 5: Sure that he would remember this, But in sophomore year
Speaker 5: in college, my roommate Ben gave me some of the
Speaker 5: best life advice I've ever received. I was working at
Speaker 5: Bennegan's at the time, and at the end of your shift,
Speaker 5: you were supposed to marry the ketchups where you have
Speaker 5: like two half ketchups in your full one to make
Speaker 5: a full one. And there was this one dude that
Speaker 5: just would skip it all the time, and it drove
Speaker 5: me crazy. And one night after work, I came home
Speaker 5: and I went on a rant about it for several minutes,
Speaker 5: and Ben looked at me after a minute and said, dude,
Speaker 5: you need a bigger world. And today, whenever I see
Speaker 5: the absurdity of various factions complaining about who is or
Speaker 5: is not performing at halftime I'm a major sporting event hypothetically,
Speaker 5: of course, or who is the or is not any movie,
Speaker 5: I think about this. I think whenever we feel out
Speaker 5: of control with our lives, we get bent out of
Speaker 5: shape about dumb stuff as a coping mechanism, either the
Speaker 5: behavior of others which we can't control, but at least
Speaker 5: we get to feel self righteous about it, or Munday
Speaker 5: in Things that candid Ler beneath Us.
Speaker 1: I love this.
Speaker 3: When I watched this video, I felt my ludial phase
Speaker 3: lift off me.
Speaker 2: What do you eat? Lad? Is it like bison?
Speaker 3: Ludia phase is like pmssing, like just before you get
Speaker 3: your period. And I felt all of those emotions because
Speaker 3: I was getting quite annoyed with you guys lift up me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I just need a bigger world.
Speaker 3: And our friend Sam said that he suggests making a
Speaker 3: ten year plan that you always have because if you're
Speaker 3: always looking at a ten year plan, you always know
Speaker 3: there's something bigger for you to.
Speaker 2: Go out and touch grass and look.
Speaker 1: Down and sit outside.
Speaker 4: Do you agree that we all need a bigger world?
Speaker 1: No? I was listening to this and I was like,
Speaker 1: yes in terms of keeping things in perspective, But very
Speaker 1: often your small world is the only thing you can affect.
Speaker 1: Like it does matter whether or not the person refills
Speaker 1: the ketch up at the end of their shift, Like
Speaker 1: it genuinely does matter. That's their job, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Matter to the other guy.
Speaker 1: Well, it's annoying to you if someone else, if that
Speaker 1: lends up on you, you know, what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: he isn't doing it, he just skips it. So I've
Speaker 1: got to do it, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: understand why. I totally get that. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Speaker 1: It's really important. You've got to keep your eye on
Speaker 1: things that you can control, like can control and all
Speaker 1: those things. But very often all we can control is
Speaker 1: our little world, and so it makes you feel like
Speaker 1: you are restoring some order, you know. It's one of
Speaker 1: the things. It's why people get so cross in local
Speaker 1: Facebook groups about pothole that's not being fixed, you know,
Speaker 1: like the person who was rude to them in the shop, right,
Speaker 1: that gets labeled as petty and karening and all those things.
Speaker 1: And it is and it can be, and it can
Speaker 1: definitely like whirl up into a kind of victory fury.
Speaker 1: But then in another way, it matters if the potholes
Speaker 1: are fixed. It matters if people are being polite to
Speaker 1: each other in a shop, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It does matter. The little things do matter to make
Speaker 1: the bigger world better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I read what he said because
Speaker 2: I found myself doing the same thing. Right, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: someone doesn't it as an employer someone doesn't it to
Speaker 2: he was being paid for that, and he needs to
Speaker 2: do it as part of his job. But then where
Speaker 2: I understood it was that his flatmate was getting really
Speaker 2: sick of hearing him talk about it. So the amount
Speaker 2: of energy he was expending on this little thing was
Speaker 2: disproportionate to how annoying the little thing was. And also
Speaker 2: that the impact and consequence of that little thing really
Speaker 2: on the world or even on this guy, or on
Speaker 2: the business. You know, if his coworker was stealing something
Speaker 2: out of the till or that was kind of different.
Speaker 2: But I it made me think that the person who
Speaker 2: put this clip in into a group chat that I
Speaker 2: was in said, you know, referred to a particular type
Speaker 2: person that we that we all know who's just obsessed
Speaker 2: with this thing that happened to them a really long
Speaker 2: time ago and cannot get over it and just has
Speaker 2: seemed really really stuck for years. And they've built this
Speaker 2: little altar of grievance around this thing, and it's fossilized
Speaker 2: and fossilized and calcified until that's become like a cornerstone
Speaker 2: of their identity. You're, and like at the expense of
Speaker 2: actually getting life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is such a good point because that is
Speaker 1: a very good example of when you need a bigger world. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But when when a particular grievance or your general frustration
Speaker 1: with everybody around you being a fuck witch. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: is coloring your worldview to a really negative place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean in that case, absolutely bigger world is the
Speaker 1: lifting of that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I do want to say that there was a
Speaker 3: pothole near my apartment and I was very upset about
Speaker 3: it because I'm not the best driver, and every time
Speaker 3: I was driving to my apartment, I forgot it was there,
Speaker 3: and my whole car hits the ground every single time.
Speaker 3: And it was pissing me off for so much. I
Speaker 3: was talking to everyone about it, complaining, and then I
Speaker 3: called up Sydney City Council and then they fixed it
Speaker 3: the next day.
Speaker 2: Did that they really did?
Speaker 1: Mate? We Well, I won't go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of regional potholes how long it takes together.
Speaker 2: But that's amazing I find that I since I heard this,
Speaker 2: I'm telling myself when I need to get a bigger world,
Speaker 2: because it's easier to spoty in other people.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And I like what he said about when the world
Speaker 2: feels out of control. Remember how we got very obsessed
Speaker 2: during COVID and during lockdown sorry trigger warning about people
Speaker 2: breaking a rule, because that seemed easier to control than
Speaker 2: the fact that we were locked in our houses for
Speaker 2: months and that was a global pandemic. And I know
Speaker 2: that the way my brain works, I sometimes have a
Speaker 2: problem differentiating between a small thing and a big thing.
Speaker 1: It's all just a big.
Speaker 2: Thing to me, and sometimes I'll find myself Now, since
Speaker 2: I watched that going small world or big World, do
Speaker 2: I need to get a bigger world? Or it?
Speaker 1: Really There was another video that did the rounds of
Speaker 1: our group chats, which was about which is sort of similar,
Speaker 1: but it's about very much about what you were just
Speaker 1: talking about, about somebody who can't let go of a grievance.
Speaker 1: But it was about not bringing the weather. I think
Speaker 1: this is Todd Sampson to speaking.
Speaker 6: Stop becoming the weather. Some men don't say I'm upset,
Speaker 6: They just make the room colder. The partner I was quiet,
Speaker 6: then the kids are starting to be careful, even the
Speaker 6: dog is checking the room. That's not strength, that's emotional
Speaker 6: climate change. You're allowed to have a bad mood, yes,
Speaker 6: you're not allowed to make everyone else live inside it.
Speaker 3: My favorite part of this video is that when he
Speaker 3: says some men just make the room colder, he pointed
Speaker 3: himself and goes, it's me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is interesting because I don't think it is
Speaker 1: only his point in this is obviously about men, because
Speaker 1: maybe he's talking about masculinity at the moment, but this
Speaker 1: isn't only men who do know, women are very good
Speaker 1: at bringing weather, right, Like if you have a face
Speaker 1: as well, there you go, everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: I I really I.
Speaker 1: Saw this when I was I remember reading it about
Speaker 1: some kind of rock star or something. I was reading
Speaker 1: a piece about recording with them, and someone said, what's
Speaker 1: it like recording with I don't know who it was.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's Madonna. What's it like recording with Madonna?
Speaker 1: And they said, well, a star that big brings the
Speaker 1: weather with them. Oh, And that is true, right is
Speaker 1: often the most powerful inverted or the most or maybe
Speaker 1: just the biggest personality brings the weather. And I remember
Speaker 1: when I read that, I realized that I do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not Madonna. I'm not that powerful, but sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: if you're let's say you're a small having a small
Speaker 1: world moment. Yeah, and you come into like the at
Speaker 1: say our planning meeting for out Loud, I've had a
Speaker 1: shit day, the community's been difficult, something's going on at home,
Speaker 1: And I sit down at the table and I'm bringing
Speaker 1: the weather. Right, if my mood is dark, if I'm impatient,
Speaker 1: if I'm snappy, I'm bringing the weather.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 3: I noticed this also when I was younger with my parents,
Speaker 3: and I could always tell if they had a bad
Speaker 3: day and I saw them in the evening, depending on
Speaker 3: their mood. And I actually remember listening to an episode
Speaker 3: of out Loud Whole and you said when your kid
Speaker 3: enters the room, always smile at them. Whenever you see
Speaker 3: your kids, always smile. And I remember sharing that episode
Speaker 3: with my mom and was like.
Speaker 1: You should try this. I think I was like twenty
Speaker 1: three at the time, and she was like, Okay, it's true.
Speaker 1: And Todd Samson in that grab, we played like he
Speaker 1: was we've been talking a lot about work. He was
Speaker 1: talking about it in relationships. That is also so true.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to bring the weather because they've been
Speaker 1: a quit and they've done something bad and they need
Speaker 1: to be punished by a bad mood. But it's like
Speaker 1: in general again, it's that like awareness of am I.
Speaker 1: It's the classic thing in a relationship where it's like,
Speaker 1: what's the matter? Nothing but your weather but system suggests otherwise.
Speaker 2: My question is what if your weather system is to
Speaker 2: do with the other person, Like like what if you're
Speaker 2: having a fight with your partner or your parent or
Speaker 2: your child. Then you know, isn't the weather kind of
Speaker 2: the point? Yes?
Speaker 1: And I think you can definitely. Then you're like weather
Speaker 1: god and you're implementing the weather for a purpose.
Speaker 2: Like I can tell when my partner walks into a room.
Speaker 2: I can tell if he's shitty with me. He doesn't
Speaker 2: eas enough to say a word, he doesn't have to
Speaker 2: look at me. I can tell literally by the way
Speaker 2: he's moving, the way he's walking. I can tell whether yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the people well, you can be at any
Speaker 2: level and bring the weather with you. When we first started,
Speaker 2: Mama Mayr and we had to make up.
Speaker 1: Core values.
Speaker 2: You know, when you talk about the culture of a business,
Speaker 2: the culture comes from the core values of that business
Speaker 2: and every business. You can do this in a family too, right,
Speaker 2: Everyone has to be able to refer to it to
Speaker 2: mean something that the values that that that business or
Speaker 2: that family or that person holds dear. And one of
Speaker 2: the ones that we had one was get shit done
Speaker 2: and don't freak out.
Speaker 1: They were two of them.
Speaker 2: Don't freak out was great because it was full on
Speaker 2: in that startups phase and also gets it done, which
Speaker 2: was just about how much there was to do. But
Speaker 2: a third one was put your sparkle on because for
Speaker 2: a lot of we had a lot of young people
Speaker 2: working in the office and we were a new we
Speaker 2: were working in very intense situations. But also everyone had
Speaker 2: stuff going on in their personal life, and there are
Speaker 2: some people who hadn't worked in an office before and
Speaker 2: they would come in with everything that was going on
Speaker 2: in their life and they would bring the weather with them.
Speaker 2: That's such a great way of putting it. So our
Speaker 2: idea about putt your sparkle on, which is.
Speaker 1: Leave that shit.
Speaker 2: At the door, don't bring the weather with you. And
Speaker 2: if you're going to bring the weather, bring the sunshine.
Speaker 2: And it can be really hard because you and I
Speaker 2: have bad poker face as whole. Like I can always
Speaker 2: tell when something's up with you, you can always tell when
Speaker 2: there's something up with something's up with me, we're not
Speaker 2: very good actors.
Speaker 1: And also you don't want to tip into toxic positivity. No,
Speaker 1: I just find it impossible.
Speaker 2: And when you are a leader in particular, you have
Speaker 2: to do a lot of putting your sparkle on. You
Speaker 2: have to really fake it because you know, leaders and
Speaker 2: people who have big personalities bring a lot more weather.
Speaker 1: They're big weather systems.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's also important because sometimes you don't
Speaker 3: even know you're bringing the weather with you until someone
Speaker 3: calls you out.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 3: You called me out once before when I was in
Speaker 3: my early twenties and I just had the podcast The Undone,
Speaker 3: and it was like a dating podcast, and I went
Speaker 3: through like a really horrible time with the situationship and
Speaker 3: I was talking about on the podcast, but it was
Speaker 3: really seeping into my every day and you pulled me
Speaker 3: aside one day and you were like, you're losing your sparkle,
Speaker 3: and I was like, and that immediately made me realize,
Speaker 3: like I had no idea. It was like impacting all
Speaker 3: of these little pockets of my life. And I think
Speaker 3: it's only when someone calls it out you actually yourself
Speaker 3: realize how you've been like acting in little ways that
Speaker 3: you didn't even.
Speaker 1: Know you were. Now we need to know how to
Speaker 1: change the weather, how to change our weather. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: it goes actively shake it off. It's part of that.
Speaker 2: Bring your whole self to work. But it's like, no,
Speaker 2: actually don't you don't necessarily. I don't think the workplace
Speaker 2: isn't appropriate place to bring your whole self. I think
Speaker 2: with people who are close to you, you should bring
Speaker 2: your whole self if you want intimate relationships. I don't
Speaker 2: just mean sexual ones, I mean with your friends, right,
Speaker 2: But it's hard when you know someone really really well.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, everybody can't be I remember when
Speaker 1: I first was working with the Twins with Jesse and Claire,
Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, you're all like hi every morning.
Speaker 1: I was a boss in those days, and I would
Speaker 1: come in and I do always say hello and that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and they'd be like, oh, so annoying,
Speaker 1: so jarring. I know, this is how we do it.
Speaker 1: You're polite, smiley to people in the dead Like it's
Speaker 1: a fine line between being fake and not and not
Speaker 1: being fake. But I think that being mindful of it,
Speaker 1: like most things, is half of it, isn't it. You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it can be performative, like when if I'm
Speaker 2: going through a difficult time or there's shit being written
Speaker 2: about MMA mea in the media. I'm very aware that
Speaker 2: people are looking to me in the same way you
Speaker 2: might look at a flight attendant on a plane during turbulence.
Speaker 1: Should I be worried? Yeah, to go?
Speaker 2: And so then I have to you know, no matter
Speaker 2: what the actual weather is, I have to make sure
Speaker 2: I'm bringing sunshine without being toxically positive.
Speaker 1: So how hard it's really interesting?
Speaker 2: Oh can be really hard, really really really hard. I
Speaker 2: mean they're harder things in life, like eating a bison, but.
Speaker 1: One bit of the time, exactly. I have one more
Speaker 1: type of people things to drop into the chat before
Speaker 1: we move on to recommendations. You recommended last week Colin
Speaker 1: from Accounts died season three and it's so good.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's ongoing right now.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: I promise it's not a spoiler in this because I
Speaker 1: tried to talk to Elier about this yesterday and she
Speaker 1: got upset with me in a nice way. She got
Speaker 1: upset with me because she's like, no spoilers. But there
Speaker 1: is a line in Colin from Accounts that I had
Speaker 1: to stop the TV and to write it down. So
Speaker 1: I remembered where one character says to another one they're
Speaker 1: talking about a woman who someone is dating, and they say,
Speaker 1: she's such a ring picker.
Speaker 2: Gordon and I.
Speaker 1: Kid it down because I know exactly what a ring
Speaker 1: picker is. Yeah, do you it's yes.
Speaker 3: It's someone who wants to pick out their own engagement ring.
Speaker 1: And therefore also wants to control the insinuation there is.
Speaker 1: This is a person who wants to control things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that what you took from it? Nope?
Speaker 3: I was like, there's nothing wrong with being a ring picker.
Speaker 3: Some of us are very particular about it.
Speaker 1: If you're worried, it doesn't get to be negative. But
Speaker 1: the point is there are types of people, and there
Speaker 1: a ring picker is an is an identifiable type of person.
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
Speaker 2: It was referring to someone who was like getting ahead
Speaker 2: of the relationship, who was like wanting to pick a ring,
Speaker 2: you know, like in the same way doodling your name
Speaker 2: in someone's last name. Yeah, you do it prematurely.
Speaker 3: Like that, Like if I get you allowed to be,
Speaker 3: I get into a relationship. I'm very clear in the
Speaker 3: first few dates, like if this goes well, we're getting
Speaker 3: engaged in this amount of time, and then we're getting
Speaker 3: married in this amount of time, and then if I
Speaker 3: want kids, we'll have kids in this amount of time.
Speaker 1: You're a ring picker.
Speaker 2: Oh you're also a ring picker. I am not.
Speaker 1: You are You've literally very dare you?
Speaker 2: You've literally picked your own ring and sent a link
Speaker 2: to Brent and told him what to buy you.
Speaker 1: For your part? I actually didn't, Penny did it? But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: But that's different because how much is that just pragmatism going?
Speaker 1: He's got bad tape. So here's the thing, hybrid It
Speaker 1: doesn't I don't. As I said, I don't think there
Speaker 1: being a ring picker is necessarily a negative thing. But
Speaker 1: when we're talking about writing the captures personality, which is
Speaker 1: why I stop and write that down, there are some
Speaker 1: generalizations that just work really well. And as soon as
Speaker 1: you say that, I know what that means. It's not
Speaker 1: necesarily a bad thing. It's a woman who is not
Speaker 1: going to put up with wearing a piece of jewelry
Speaker 1: on her hand that she doesn't like, which is fine.
Speaker 2: Not only am I a ring picker, I'm a ring buyer. Yes,
Speaker 2: I just buy my own rings.
Speaker 1: But it's not not your engay a ring though, right,
Speaker 1: although you did, I think so you're a ring picker.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I bought my own just well. Jason obviously got me
Speaker 2: one and I decided I didn't I wanted a certain
Speaker 2: type and I didn't pick it. But I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want diamonds. I was going through my feminist stage.
Speaker 2: I don't want diamonds, and so he got me no diamonds,
Speaker 2: and then a few years later I was like, I
Speaker 2: want diamonds, and then I lost when he got me anyway.
Speaker 2: But now if I want something up, but that's also
Speaker 2: because I'm not I don't like gifts. I like buying
Speaker 2: things for myself, so I'm very controlling in that way.
Speaker 1: You two are like a writer's nightmare, do you know that?
Speaker 1: Like you're like, but yeah, but this, but that's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no, I'm sorry. Good way of describing it.
Speaker 2: It is that is you're a ring picker or not
Speaker 2: a ring picker. You don't have to have actually picked
Speaker 2: a ring.
Speaker 4: Ring, A ring picker through and through without a ring.
Speaker 2: Being a nose picker. Blah blah blah. After the break,
Speaker 2: AM's gonna laugh.
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember if I still smile at
Speaker 1: my children. I think so after they break the mascara.
Speaker 2: M won't shut up about the veil that Holly loved
Speaker 2: and the lunch that I've eaten every day this week.
Speaker 6: Vibes ideas atmosphere, something casual, something fun.
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation.
Speaker 2: It's Friday, so we want to help set up your
Speaker 2: weekend and just your whole life with our best recommendations.
Speaker 2: I want to start with the most superficial first, which.
Speaker 1: Is in Hello, it's me.
Speaker 3: I'm recommending a product today. It's a mascara. I'm wearing
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 2: Your life is looking at it.
Speaker 3: I actually haven't worn mascara. I want to say six months,
Speaker 3: remember you did?
Speaker 1: We did a show where you told us Viscara was
Speaker 1: dead and I got very upset.
Speaker 2: You can you leave? I now look like a mole,
Speaker 2: like an actual mole. It's just exactly crawled out of
Speaker 2: a hole. Look at this without muscaras. It's a newish
Speaker 2: one from Maybelene. It's called sky Tubes and it's part
Speaker 2: of the Lash Sensational brand. I do love a Maybe
Speaker 2: Lee muscara.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 3: It's fifteen dollars. I think it's actually like fourteen dollars
Speaker 3: fifty or something. It's a tubular for formation, which means.
Speaker 2: Keeps getting better.
Speaker 3: Instead of it being like a little product on your eyelashes,
Speaker 3: what they do is code your eyelashes in a little
Speaker 3: tube and then when you take off your mascara, it
Speaker 3: literally just crumbles off. It's like a little spiders yes
Speaker 3: with water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it because I'm and this may be
Speaker 1: an eight thing, maybe not, but I have watery eyes.
Speaker 1: So if I wear non tubular mascara, I'm a panda
Speaker 1: in five minutes. So only tube and I cry a lot.
Speaker 1: And also, just what is waterproof? So it only comes
Speaker 1: off with warm water one swipe, You're not losing eyelashes, no, missmaging.
Speaker 1: It's perfect.
Speaker 2: I love that so much, and you can get it
Speaker 2: from the chemist.
Speaker 1: We need to find a way to capture this.
Speaker 2: Ohle, you liked a podcast.
Speaker 1: I know, and I know it's controversial to ever recommend
Speaker 1: of the podcast because me it does. But it's pretty
Speaker 1: good with good reason. Your ears have only got so
Speaker 1: much to fill you up with, so maybe you don't
Speaker 1: even have to listen to this one. You just need
Speaker 1: to know about it because it's interesting.
Speaker 2: So true, Well, I won't be anyway.
Speaker 1: Can go on Elizabeth Day, who you've interviewed more than once,
Speaker 1: I think yeah. Actually, who's a British writer podcaster of
Speaker 1: some renown has a very very famous show called how
Speaker 1: to Fail. I'm sure we've all heard it. Last week
Speaker 1: she had the new British Prime Minister on it, Andy Burnham.
Speaker 1: And the only reason this is interesting because, as Mia
Speaker 1: will attest, generally speaking, politicians on long form interview podcasts
Speaker 1: are not that interesting. We've done many of them. You've
Speaker 1: done some.
Speaker 2: Hard work, okay, because they're very good at being interview
Speaker 2: They're better than most people. Yeah, they're not say well,
Speaker 2: I don't say know how not to say anything.
Speaker 1: But we've talked a bit on on out Loud about
Speaker 1: how going on podcasts, and particular long form podcasts with
Speaker 1: politicians has become absolute table stakes. They have to do
Speaker 1: it and it can be really risky, as we've seen
Speaker 1: this past week or so with the continuing fallout from
Speaker 1: Albow going on a comedy show where he did the
Speaker 1: shoot mar he Killed thing with Kylie and then he
Speaker 1: made a comment about Japanese from the.
Speaker 2: Same as a gypsumatic incident. I believe now.
Speaker 1: That's got international anyway, So risky business, right. Elizabeth Day
Speaker 1: had the new British Prime Minister and he's a dude
Speaker 1: called Andy Burnham, and she said that she had never
Speaker 1: managed to get a prime minister or a high profile
Speaker 1: politician on her show before, because none of them wanted
Speaker 1: to go on a show that had the word fail
Speaker 1: in the title, which is so interesting and tells you
Speaker 1: a lot of what's wrong with political communication. That they
Speaker 1: would it would be weaponized against them, that it would
Speaker 1: seem like they had failures. The reason this is interesting
Speaker 1: is Andy Burnham like him or not? And obviously I'm
Speaker 1: I've got a predisposition to like him because he's from Manchester.
Speaker 1: But is giving everybody a bit of a masterclass in
Speaker 1: digital communication. He's exceptionally good on social media. He is
Speaker 1: doing things like this and he talks like a normal
Speaker 1: person and he is so engaging on it. It may
Speaker 1: be the Sandwich generation in me, but I did shed
Speaker 1: a little tear when he talked about the fact that
Speaker 1: his dad doesn't though he's got he's Prime Minister, because
Speaker 1: he's got dementia and he's in a care home and
Speaker 1: then nurses all got him around the telly and that
Speaker 1: was very touching, but anyway, more interesting from a political
Speaker 1: communication point, there was a bit where I nearly stopped
Speaker 1: the car because Elizabeth Day says something to him, like
Speaker 1: he talks about how he worries about being sucked back
Speaker 1: into the political machine coming back to Westminster or whatever
Speaker 1: and not being true to himself and blah blah, and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Day says, and are you worried about that happening again?
Speaker 1: And he just says yes and then stops. That's the
Speaker 1: end of the sentence. And I was like, when do
Speaker 1: you ever just hear a politician that's so true? Because
Speaker 1: what they do is that bridge thing, and it's really clever.
Speaker 1: Once you're aware of it, you'll hear it in every
Speaker 1: interview any politician does. They basically ignore the question if
Speaker 1: they don't want to answer it, and they'll just bridge
Speaker 1: and then say something that they do want to say.
Speaker 1: So it's very rare that they're just direct and honest,
Speaker 1: right it Actually it was strange, And then it made
Speaker 1: me think there's so much talk these days about how
Speaker 1: what everybody wants from politicians more than anything, the much
Speaker 1: overused term of all authenticity, but like talk like a
Speaker 1: normal person, react like a normal person. He's very good
Speaker 1: at that, and it's very interesting. It's a really interesting interview.
Speaker 1: How do you think it worked for him? I think
Speaker 1: it did. I think obviously as me and I was
Speaker 1: better than anyone. There's a lot of strategy of why
Speaker 1: he would choose to go on Elizabeth Day female voters.
Speaker 1: But also it's a brave thing to do because even
Speaker 1: though she gave him pretty easy right, she wasn't really
Speaker 1: sales in him.
Speaker 2: But that's the sort of the equivalent of I don't know,
Speaker 2: doing a story in the Women's Weekly once upon a time.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's showing the human side, you know,
Speaker 2: getting getting a longer stretch of time. It's not combative,
Speaker 2: You're not going to be asked tough questions. You can
Speaker 2: really get show people who you are. So when you say,
Speaker 2: what the modern media cycle demands is that and we
Speaker 2: know that celebrities have solved that by just starting their
Speaker 2: own podcasts and interviewing each other, So that have to go,
Speaker 2: you know, ask be asked a single question that I
Speaker 2: want to be asked. Why do you think it didn't
Speaker 2: work for Albow? Because he was himself on that, but
Speaker 2: he sort of forgot.
Speaker 1: Also what he I think he made the wrong choice
Speaker 1: of podcasts. Yes in the Halbow, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: He went on a podcast that was a blatant po
Speaker 1: comedy podcast that the actual the whole premise of it
Speaker 1: is a very very old fashioned word. But Rye Bald
Speaker 1: kind of like ye know Inuendo was Kyle esque. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a female interviewer. It was just full
Speaker 1: of landmines and the things that he's actually good at
Speaker 1: it were not on display. And I think that when
Speaker 1: we say we want to hear politicians sound like ordinary people,
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean me want to sound like comedians. Well,
Speaker 1: I know you know what I mean like, but we
Speaker 1: just want them to sound, not like we're just getting
Speaker 1: all the sound by.
Speaker 2: Because when I did that no filter with Albow the
Speaker 2: first time, I think it was before, just before he
Speaker 2: became Home Minister. That episode, unlike most politician episodes, did
Speaker 2: so well and so many people said they loved it
Speaker 2: because he was very human. He spoke about his mum,
Speaker 2: he talked about and talked about his upbringing, about his divorce,
Speaker 2: and he was not selling anything and he was I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's hard, isn't it, Because you when everybody's waiting
Speaker 2: for you to fuck up and trying to weaponize everything
Speaker 2: that you say, you have to be a lot more cautious.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder, and you know, this might just
Speaker 1: be conjecture, but whether he would be able to be
Speaker 1: like that now, almost after years of actually been prime minister.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Like it's like politics makes you less and less human
Speaker 1: all the time. And obviously Andy Burnham was in a
Speaker 1: similar situation. He's at the beginning of his prime ministership.
Speaker 1: He's probably got a bit more leeway to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a fuck up. That was a mistake. I
Speaker 1: messed that up, and that blah blah because he's not
Speaker 1: the boss. But it's a genuinely really good episode. So
Speaker 1: I'm recommending it if you're interested in that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: I'm interested.
Speaker 1: I think Elizabeth Day is great generally speaking.
Speaker 2: Out loud, as will have been following some time back,
Speaker 2: maybe my quest for a new lunch. I yeah, peanut
Speaker 2: butter toast was a mainstay for years, years and years
Speaker 2: and music, and then one day I just couldn't eat
Speaker 2: it anymore. And I haven't eaten it since and that
Speaker 2: was a good well over a year ago. And I'm
Speaker 2: going to be honest, I've been struggling since then. I
Speaker 2: just have not been able to find my lunch. I
Speaker 2: think I might have found it, and it's quite recent
Speaker 2: and it's quite exciting.
Speaker 1: Is bison.
Speaker 2: I'm a vegetarian, so it's not bison, No, but it
Speaker 2: is cottage cheese, not just on its own, because that
Speaker 2: would be sad, even sadder than cottae cheese.
Speaker 1: Alre it is.
Speaker 2: It's very funny because being this age, it does feel
Speaker 2: like eating or maybe any age, but particularly.
Speaker 1: Our age hole is.
Speaker 2: It feels like eating protein is your full time job.
Speaker 2: And it's very funny in them'm may kitchen. We all
Speaker 2: come with our boiled eggs, and how you did a
Speaker 2: cracker the other day? What was your.
Speaker 1: Smoked salmon, cottage cheese and an egg and an egg? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was your breakfast.
Speaker 2: And I was like, trifecta hole you're doing. You're putting
Speaker 2: a sort of shape. But I'm throwing back to my
Speaker 2: mum was an early adopter of so many things. She
Speaker 2: made me have, like vegetable juice and rescue remedy and
Speaker 2: like homeopathic stuff. And I had to have wholemeal bread
Speaker 2: at my birthday parties.
Speaker 1: She would put sprouts.
Speaker 2: In the vegimite sandwiches on vogel breadying That's why I
Speaker 2: had no friends my parents.
Speaker 1: My mom was like that.
Speaker 2: I was a bit seventies, no seventies, but anyway, it
Speaker 2: sort of obviously seeped in. But one of the things
Speaker 2: she used to do is give me Pean cottage cheese
Speaker 2: and jam sandwiches.
Speaker 1: Cottag cheese and jam.
Speaker 2: Cottage cheese and jams. So the cottage cheese is the
Speaker 2: protein and the jam makes it a sweet treat. And
Speaker 2: so she raised my children on cottage cheese and jam
Speaker 2: sandwiches as well. Whenever they went to her house, they
Speaker 2: get very nostalgic about cottage cheese and jam sandwiches because
Speaker 2: that's what they were given. That's all My mom and
Speaker 2: I are not fantastic cooks. But so now I've started
Speaker 2: reminding myself that cottage cheese great protein, sweet treat. Whack
Speaker 2: it on some toast. That's my lunch.
Speaker 1: Cottage cheese and jam on toast. Yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: get you some more meg and jam. Yeah, that would do.
Speaker 2: I'll use any old thing. I'll use any old thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: strawberry jam is best, but I highly recommend if you're
Speaker 2: trying to find a way. Yeah, we've got a particular
Speaker 2: type of Helga's that I really like here. Mixed grain
Speaker 2: is my demand, and.
Speaker 1: Bread it has to be.
Speaker 2: It has to be helped, No, it has to be
Speaker 2: Helger's mixed grain.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: But so yeah, because I know that it can be
Speaker 2: a real drudge trying to get all the protein. And
Speaker 2: you knew that you admit to get in under day
Speaker 2: and that's just like quite a fun way you could have.
Speaker 2: It doesn't desert my life exciting you don't.
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