WEBVTT - The Miranda Kerr Diet Discourse & Are You A Ring Picker?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out loud, it's what

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<v Speaker 1>women are actually talking about on Friday, fourteenth of August,

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<v Speaker 1>and out loud as I'm Holly Plainwright.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Mura.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what made our agenda for today. What Miranda

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<v Speaker 1>Kerr's Bison Breakfast tells us about the great wellness escalation.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus you need a bigger world. Just don't bring the

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<v Speaker 1>weather with you.

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<v Speaker 2>And what actually is a bison? Someone is gonna tell

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<v Speaker 2>me before the end of the show, but first, in

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<v Speaker 2>case you missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm really.

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<v Speaker 2>Excited about is that there's breaking sock news. Oh thank god,

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite kind ankle socks are back. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>This is good news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good news for millennials, as Janet as, Okay, what's

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<v Speaker 2>bad news if you've thrown all of yours out? Mina

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<v Speaker 2>just secreted to the back of my wardrobe. Because in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, you might remember, gen Z started laughing

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<v Speaker 2>at our socks. They started saying that our some call

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<v Speaker 2>them ankle socks, some call them invisible socks, ones that

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<v Speaker 2>basically stop either inside your shoe or underneath your ankle.

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<v Speaker 2>They said that they were basically very elderly, very daggy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we got incredible Some of us got incredibly self conscious.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is unfortunate because I'd spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>folding socks down to be like invisible socks inside my trainers,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd always peek out and I would always look tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, I found the whole thing quite confusing because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know how high my socks should be. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I never liked to be on the wrong side of

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<v Speaker 2>a trend. So that's how I found myself standing at

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<v Speaker 2>Target in front of the sock area with another woman

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<v Speaker 2>about my age, and both of us were looking very

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<v Speaker 2>puzzled as we were trying to buy socks that would

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<v Speaker 2>make us look younger. So gen Z has made a

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<v Speaker 2>U turn and they've come. They've the light, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>said that ankle socks are actually back Hurrah, which is

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<v Speaker 2>exciting news. If you want to know a bit of taxonomy,

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<v Speaker 2>invisible socks obviously ones that are inside your shoe. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't cover the top of your foot.

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<v Speaker 3>Examples when you might wear those is when you're a

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<v Speaker 3>real estate agent. This whole sock thing has bullied me

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<v Speaker 3>out of wearing one of my favorite things to wear,

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<v Speaker 3>which would be a skirt and trainers.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you wear a skirt and trainers? If you're

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to wear visible socks? I will say that

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<v Speaker 1>wearing like is it crew length socks?

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<v Speaker 2>Crew length socks? Well, quarter crew are the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>come just above your ankle. But but crew regular crew

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<v Speaker 2>come halfway.

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<v Speaker 1>Bet up your calf. And so, which which sorts should

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<v Speaker 1>I have been wearing with my quarter crew?

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<v Speaker 2>This is quarter crew that end's gone on because it

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<v Speaker 2>comes up right above there.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had on something that showed your legs once?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I have worn?

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<v Speaker 2>Is crewe length?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it right?

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<v Speaker 2>Crew length comes up halfway up my calf. This is

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<v Speaker 2>why we're now on video for these important questions. See

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago, Holly and I would not

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<v Speaker 2>have been able to do that. I didn't own any

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<v Speaker 2>socks that came above my ankle. Bane there's actually a

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<v Speaker 2>man in our office who might be the CEO who

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<v Speaker 2>wears sockets.

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<v Speaker 1>Does not wear socket me, you've just destroyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you one when he has wears a certain type

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<v Speaker 2>of shoe. I don't understand men's clothes, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>care less. But someone said white and you wearing socks

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<v Speaker 2>and he said sockets and they said, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>they've made those for men, which is such a disc Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>there's more sock news and it's very exciting because, as

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<v Speaker 2>I may have mentioned, it's Copenhagen Fashion Week. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>just heaven because it's the Copenhagen Fashion week that is

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<v Speaker 2>the spring summer season, because the winter one. The people

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<v Speaker 2>what I like most is actually don't look at any

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<v Speaker 2>of the runway stuff. It's all the street style. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's two Copenhagen Fashion weeks, one in January and one

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<v Speaker 2>in August. And the January one might be February it's

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<v Speaker 2>very cold and it's snowing, so everyone when we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of summer, they're all rugged up. This one

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<v Speaker 2>is Copenhagen at its best. It's all the colors. And

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<v Speaker 2>something that I've noticed a lot is some very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>use of socks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what tollss socks so that you're wearing sandals that

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<v Speaker 1>show you toes.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it? So yes, So I've started cutting the

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<v Speaker 2>toes that off some of my socks, so it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a little leg warmer but out of a sock. So

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<v Speaker 2>what you can do is that you can wear it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to go on Wiki feet, where I

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<v Speaker 2>have my own page that I didn't make, you can

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<v Speaker 2>show toe cleavage but also keep your ankles.

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<v Speaker 1>What shoes would you wear those? You can wear it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're asking the right questions. What is toe cleavage?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, people who like feet, the line between your toes

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<v Speaker 2>like cleavage for your boobs, but your toe. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's big on Wiki feet because like tea, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to put your feet on only fans,

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<v Speaker 2>there's totalleavage is big. But you can wear them with

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<v Speaker 2>ballet flats, you can wear them with heels like kitten heels.

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<v Speaker 1>Then no one would see the toelessness of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the point. So it mew you did this

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<v Speaker 2>first where they had them inside the it's not to

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<v Speaker 2>show your toes where it can be. It means that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, i'd up your leg.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it helps you because you can't usually wear like

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<v Speaker 2>if you've tried to wear socks with like ballet flats

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<v Speaker 2>or socks with high heels, you can get it can

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<v Speaker 2>get a bit slippery, right, and also if you're wearing

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<v Speaker 2>because the big shoe of next spring summer is like

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<v Speaker 2>a thong bof shoes, but no, not whose shoes a thong,

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<v Speaker 2>but with a kitten heel. It's like a high heel thong. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can't wear that with a sock because it

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<v Speaker 2>will go between your toes, so you and also you'll

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<v Speaker 2>slip out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Cut your if you want the essence of a sock

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<v Speaker 4>load of socking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just become too much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all under the umbrella of weird sock theory.

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<v Speaker 2>If you remember weird show shoe theories, which was when

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<v Speaker 2>you made an outfit look more interesting by wearing the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong type of shoe. Socks are like that now too,

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<v Speaker 2>So you wear deliberately odd socks to elevate a boring

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<v Speaker 2>outfit or do something funny with your socks.

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<v Speaker 1>Sock colored socks could be helpful because I can never

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<v Speaker 1>pair my socks. We have to orker our family socks

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<v Speaker 1>in our house live in one big bucket in the

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<v Speaker 1>living room. And when people come over they say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a sock bucket, I'd say, indeed, we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Just go in there. Well, were just everybody's socks are

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<v Speaker 1>in there. I don't wear bread socks. They're like bushwalking

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<v Speaker 1>socks with the toes, although maybe they're cool. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>have all of our odds socks.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone tied them all together with one odd sock, a

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<v Speaker 2>longer odd sock, and so now I walk around as

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<v Speaker 2>though it's microphone and offer it to everyone in my family.

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<v Speaker 2>My son the other day went, well, the problem is

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<v Speaker 2>that my sock is the one that's around everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>which seems like it's a little bit foundational socks.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knew there was so much to it? Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get onto something that definitely isn't strange at all, which

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<v Speaker 1>is eating.

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<v Speaker 3>Bison for breakfast. Oh yummy, I know, yum, yum yum.

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<v Speaker 3>We do have to get more protein, well.

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<v Speaker 2>We do.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is is the basic pitches among us

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<v Speaker 1>are hammering in our protein with cottage, cheese and eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>We are not supermodels. They're not doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a bison type of cow.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cut type of buffalo. Okay, so a bison

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<v Speaker 1>is a big I think they are native to America.

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<v Speaker 1>They are big, like buffalo looking creatures. Huge, right. Mirandaka

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<v Speaker 1>started all this bison chat when she went on Kristin

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<v Speaker 1>Cavaleri's podcast recently. The podcast is called I've forgotten what

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<v Speaker 1>it's called because it really doesn't matter. It's just her

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<v Speaker 1>talking to famous people about things like what do they

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<v Speaker 1>eat and what are they put on their faces? Right

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<v Speaker 1>in the course of this interview, Miranda Kerr, Australia's own,

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<v Speaker 1>says that she lies on an infrared mat every morning.

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<v Speaker 1>She was doing it in her pajamas, but now she

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<v Speaker 1>knows she has to get nude to get the full

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<v Speaker 1>effect of whatever that is. She also has something called

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<v Speaker 1>a lima light next to her bed. In the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>she has a shot of nanny juice, followed by some

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<v Speaker 1>marshmallow tea that is not made with marshmallows because that

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<v Speaker 1>sounded good. Yeah, it's made with marshmallow leaf. Ah.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know she's still doing the nanny juice though.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been doing that since she's a teenager. And then

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<v Speaker 1>some coffee, but not just any coffee, mold and lead

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<v Speaker 1>free coffee that she buys but then gets tested herself

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure it really is mold and lead free.

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<v Speaker 4>Are we drinking moldy enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly we are, we us plubs. We don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>we're drinking. And then she might have some coconut yogurt

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<v Speaker 1>and a bite of banana if you're still here. One

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<v Speaker 1>just one bite, yeah, just one. Christin Cavalery got very

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<v Speaker 1>granular with this, and look, it was a lot to

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<v Speaker 1>get through, to be honest. But what comes after the

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<v Speaker 1>banana and the mold free coffee is where the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>got excited. And it is this bit where Christin Cavalery

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<v Speaker 1>dares to ask such a basic question as so for breakfast,

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<v Speaker 1>then do you eat some eggs?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we do eggs? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do eggs.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what's the breakfast for you?

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<v Speaker 1>I do protein, So I eat like venison.

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<v Speaker 3>Bison, yeah, loads of nutrients, turkey, yeah okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I eat all the meats that aren't mass produced.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, great for the reasons that we all know exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we do race.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do any carbs? I really eat a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of squash okay, and carrots and passnips. Okay. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>you really, I mean you are super healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes on to say no spinach, no kale, no

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<v Speaker 1>green leafy vegetables. They're bad now like they were good.

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<v Speaker 1>Once she makes carab sugar free hot chocolate, sometimes with

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<v Speaker 1>coconut milk that she's also had tested to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>it really is coconut milk. Her beauty treatments involve all

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<v Speaker 1>these things that I've never heard of, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>I know things about beauty, like serums and injections and things.

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<v Speaker 1>All hers are like, it's vad nap, like just shit

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't know. And I think I have a theory,

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<v Speaker 1>which is wellness has become very mainstream, Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole notion of Pete Evans likes to say this

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. He was like back in the day when

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<v Speaker 1>I said I activated almonds, everybody thought I was crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>And now you can buy activated almonds at Woollies. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing is is that wellness has become so mainstream that

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<v Speaker 1>the eye we would have once gone like a green smoothie,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you can. I can literally buy a green

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<v Speaker 1>smoothie in the servo, right, I can buy green smoothie anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not special anymore. That's just like common or garden.

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<v Speaker 1>I can buy free range, hormone free chicken. I can

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<v Speaker 1>buy whatever in a normal supermarket. Bison, on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to get. I think this is about status.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 3>First thing, I want to pour one out for Kristin

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<v Speaker 3>because I can just tell the way she was replying

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<v Speaker 3>to that, going excellent, oh wow, very healthy, amazing, great

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<v Speaker 3>fun producers just looking up what.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also good podech interviewing technique when you just want

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<v Speaker 2>to give someone more and more rope because you know

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<v Speaker 2>that what they're saying is going to get clipped and

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<v Speaker 2>become part of the zeit. Guys, wish this has well done.

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<v Speaker 1>And she would be very much in that California wellness

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<v Speaker 1>world that Miranda's in, but just at a different level,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, a different tea, because she

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<v Speaker 1>would also know that like, oh, these days are not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to eat spinach for some God's saken reason. But

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<v Speaker 1>she's not where Miranda is, which is like, oh, squash,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So she keeps going, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy squashed zucchini or is it sweet potagoashes?

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<v Speaker 1>Pumpkin kind of like a sort of pumpkin, a yellowy pumpkin,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can also be zucchin. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>Americans called squash. I think is like they're all into

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<v Speaker 1>eating rooty vegetables now because apparent and please don't pay

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<v Speaker 1>any attention to this, because every nutritionist on the planet

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<v Speaker 1>says it's bullshit, and don't say it green leafy vegetables,

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<v Speaker 1>which we all know are very good for us. The

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<v Speaker 1>carnivors say no, they're full of things that repel predators.

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<v Speaker 1>Therefore they will repel your gut. What well, Miranda said,

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<v Speaker 1>not to have coun spinach. I'm not going to have

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<v Speaker 1>coun spinach.

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<v Speaker 2>That hard for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's so messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>The clip of this podcast has done three and a

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<v Speaker 2>half million views at time of recording, and the comments

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty split between criticizing and openly mocking her. Not

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people are like, yay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go find me some bison. The biggest geist I think

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting because celebrity diet confessions. When people were celebs

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<v Speaker 2>were asked what they eat, it used to be very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I eat burgers. I am so normal, I ate fries.

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<v Speaker 2>And now the flex as you say, whole is restriction,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would say this is restriction to the point

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<v Speaker 2>of I mean, you know, dietitians, everyone's skirting around the

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<v Speaker 2>word orthorexia, but it's this line between when does clean

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<v Speaker 2>eating tip into orthorexia, which is the one eating disorder

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<v Speaker 2>that gets applauded on wellness podcast like this one instead

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<v Speaker 2>of flagged is concerning.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not even restriction, it's purity. It's this obsession.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what restriction is. It's control, right, It's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>an idea, but that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What having an eating disorder is, absolutely his control and

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<v Speaker 2>restriction and purity.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I think there's another piece to this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is about this prestige, is that the ordinary plubs of

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<v Speaker 1>the world in America are getting all getting sick this

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<v Speaker 1>summer from the lattice that they in their taco bell. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this big story that there was a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible case of food, and fact, yeah, that mostly

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<v Speaker 1>the result of fast food restaurants. Most Americans are eating

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of processed food. So telling people to eat

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<v Speaker 1>real food is not a dangerous message. Telling people to

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<v Speaker 1>eat real food, of course, not that you should be

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<v Speaker 1>going around telling people to eat anything, but like offering

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<v Speaker 1>nutritional advice that is, maybe don't eat so much hyper

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<v Speaker 1>processed food is not dangerous. This is a flex of

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<v Speaker 1>a very specific type of very beautiful well wealthy person

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<v Speaker 1>who is like normal people, food is not what I eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's normal, I don't eat it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she Miranda Kerr, who has always been very

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<v Speaker 1>open to talking about her wellness diets, used to go

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<v Speaker 1>on and on about celery juice, for example, like I

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<v Speaker 1>just juice celery every day and I eat that. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's not cool because everyone does that, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Everyone juices. So it's sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>The It's like an escalation saying I'm better than you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is is that lots of people will say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that all kinds of nutritional advices help them enormously.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't eat that, do eat this or whatever. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>become like a status symbol.

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<v Speaker 3>But I also think it's a product of when you

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<v Speaker 3>are a billionaire with nothing to do. You see one

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<v Speaker 3>video saying bison is good for you, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>order some bison, and then you just get into this

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<v Speaker 3>realm of being so self obsessed that that is just

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<v Speaker 3>your thing. It just becomes your thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was watching this video, it's identity around

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<v Speaker 2>what you eat. It is.

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<v Speaker 3>But watching this video, I was like, isn't this what

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<v Speaker 3>we want? Celebrities to do, like to actually tell us

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<v Speaker 3>what they're doing. And she's literally just telling us what

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<v Speaker 3>she's actually doing. Like, I just see this as her

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<v Speaker 3>being her most authentic self, and we don't want that

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<v Speaker 3>because what she's saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Is making her Yeah, but hang on, when we ask

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities what they eat, let's be honest about what we're

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<v Speaker 2>really asking is how they look like that? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't care what they eat. We don't care. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not what this is about. It's not about recipes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about how are you the mother of three or

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<v Speaker 2>four kids and you are that skinny? And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>we're asking Gwyneth. When we're asking Miranda Kerr, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>asking people who aren't extremely underweight or who aren't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the size that our culture awards.

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<v Speaker 4>Which is very very small. But she was literally asked,

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<v Speaker 4>what are you eating?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but what do you think? Why do you

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<v Speaker 2>think everyone leans in when Miranda Kurr says what she's

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<v Speaker 2>eating because everyone wants to know if I eat that,

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<v Speaker 2>will I look like you too? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I want to know what she's eating because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm interested in what a billionaire actually does in their

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<v Speaker 3>day to day life, like I want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>they're eating, and what she's eating does sound like a

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<v Speaker 3>billionaire's diet, and that's interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting because to your point before me, are

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<v Speaker 1>about how they used to be this flex that was

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<v Speaker 1>like eating Burger flex and I found it really refreshing

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<v Speaker 1>when some actresses in Hollywood said, I think Ken Katrell

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the first I remember who said the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time I was on sex and the city I

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<v Speaker 1>was on diet, I was hungry the whole time, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And lots of actresses after they have come off, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a really a successful run of anything, we'll say restriction

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<v Speaker 1>is part of it, Like we are all just told

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<v Speaker 1>all the time to be skinny, skinny, skinny. It was refreshed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's refreshing to hear that, and that's why in some

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<v Speaker 1>ways I agree with em that I almost find it

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<v Speaker 1>comforting when I hear these ridiculous, kind of very elaborate,

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<v Speaker 1>completely out of reach diets that the one percent or

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<v Speaker 1>on or a certain portion of them are because dudes

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<v Speaker 1>are doing this too in Hollywood. Now it's all dressed

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<v Speaker 1>up as longevity as health, like Miranda curR says in

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<v Speaker 1>this you know, the thing that's important to me is

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<v Speaker 1>living as long as I can, and that has now

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<v Speaker 1>become the new guys for rather than saying because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to look great or I want to maintain my

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<v Speaker 1>weight or whatever, it's like longevity and health. So on

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<v Speaker 1>one level, I find it refreshing to realize just how

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<v Speaker 1>out of reach and obsessive and difficult and expensive this

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<v Speaker 1>level of eating is. On the other hand, given what

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<v Speaker 1>I was just saying about how wellness has become really

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream and what what seems really out there at one

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<v Speaker 1>point then is everywhere the next point. That's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting too write because she suddenly she makes a throwaway

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<v Speaker 1>comment on this podcast that like, I don't eat sushi

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<v Speaker 1>anymore because it's full of parasites. Everybody's like what, and

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<v Speaker 1>nutritionists and diettians and doctors saying that's true exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's also coming from maybe like a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a scared place, because she has talked about being

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<v Speaker 3>diagnosed with an autoimmune disease before, and from having friends

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<v Speaker 3>and family you've had autoimmune disease, especially when it impacts

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<v Speaker 3>your diet food does become scared massive, I can becomes.

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<v Speaker 1>A very unsafe space.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you have access to all the money

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<v Speaker 3>in the world and you can make your perfect diet,

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<v Speaker 3>that's sue to you where you know, if I just

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<v Speaker 3>eat this every day, it will be okay. I can

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<v Speaker 3>see where she's coming from and that point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Out Louders on Thursday subscriber episode It's me a Friedman

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I'm joined by Holly and Emma and

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<v Speaker 2>we discuss the influencer recession. Some people are mad at

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<v Speaker 2>influencers other people people are feeling really sad that they're

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<v Speaker 2>having to pivot to rage bait and em thinks that

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<v Speaker 2>someone is a dick. Who that person is?

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<v Speaker 3>Find out out Louders in a moment why you need

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<v Speaker 3>a bigger world? So there's a TikTok by a man

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<v Speaker 3>named Sean Johnson and it's going a bit viral on

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<v Speaker 3>his page. Johnson gives a lot of philosophical advice from

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<v Speaker 3>the lens of a CEO and a marketing professional, so

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<v Speaker 3>they always have like this bit of like how you

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<v Speaker 3>can apply this to the workplace, And he recently posted

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<v Speaker 3>a video on why everyone needs a bigger world.

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<v Speaker 4>Here is what he said, I'm not even.

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<v Speaker 5>Sure that he would remember this, But in sophomore year

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<v Speaker 5>in college, my roommate Ben gave me some of the

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<v Speaker 5>best life advice I've ever received. I was working at

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<v Speaker 5>Bennegan's at the time, and at the end of your shift,

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<v Speaker 5>you were supposed to marry the ketchups where you have

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<v Speaker 5>like two half ketchups in your full one to make

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<v Speaker 5>a full one. And there was this one dude that

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<v Speaker 5>just would skip it all the time, and it drove

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<v Speaker 5>me crazy. And one night after work, I came home

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<v Speaker 5>and I went on a rant about it for several minutes,

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<v Speaker 5>and Ben looked at me after a minute and said, dude,

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<v Speaker 5>you need a bigger world. And today, whenever I see

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<v Speaker 5>the absurdity of various factions complaining about who is or

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<v Speaker 5>is not performing at halftime I'm a major sporting event hypothetically,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, or who is the or is not any movie,

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<v Speaker 5>I think about this. I think whenever we feel out

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<v Speaker 5>of control with our lives, we get bent out of

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<v Speaker 5>shape about dumb stuff as a coping mechanism, either the

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<v Speaker 5>behavior of others which we can't control, but at least

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<v Speaker 5>we get to feel self righteous about it, or Munday

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<v Speaker 5>in Things that candid Ler beneath Us.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this.

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<v Speaker 3>When I watched this video, I felt my ludial phase

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<v Speaker 3>lift off me.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you eat? Lad? Is it like bison?

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<v Speaker 3>Ludia phase is like pmssing, like just before you get

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<v Speaker 3>your period. And I felt all of those emotions because

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<v Speaker 3>I was getting quite annoyed with you guys lift up me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I just need a bigger world.

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<v Speaker 3>And our friend Sam said that he suggests making a

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<v Speaker 3>ten year plan that you always have because if you're

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<v Speaker 3>always looking at a ten year plan, you always know

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<v Speaker 3>there's something bigger for you to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go out and touch grass and look.

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<v Speaker 1>Down and sit outside.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you agree that we all need a bigger world?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I was listening to this and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>yes in terms of keeping things in perspective, But very

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<v Speaker 1>often your small world is the only thing you can affect.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it does matter whether or not the person refills

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<v Speaker 1>the ketch up at the end of their shift, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it genuinely does matter. That's their job, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. But it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter to the other guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's annoying to you if someone else, if that

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<v Speaker 1>lends up on you, you know, what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 1>he isn't doing it, he just skips it. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to do it, you know what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand why. I totally get that. Don't sweat the small stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really important. You've got to keep your eye on

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<v Speaker 1>things that you can control, like can control and all

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<v Speaker 1>those things. But very often all we can control is

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<v Speaker 1>our little world, and so it makes you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you are restoring some order, you know. It's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things. It's why people get so cross in local

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook groups about pothole that's not being fixed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the person who was rude to them in the shop, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that gets labeled as petty and karening and all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is and it can be, and it can

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<v Speaker 1>definitely like whirl up into a kind of victory fury.

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<v Speaker 1>But then in another way, it matters if the potholes

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<v Speaker 1>are fixed. It matters if people are being polite to

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<v Speaker 1>each other in a shop, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It does matter. The little things do matter to make

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger world better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so interesting. I read what he said because

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<v Speaker 2>I found myself doing the same thing. Right, I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>someone doesn't it as an employer someone doesn't it to

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<v Speaker 2>he was being paid for that, and he needs to

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<v Speaker 2>do it as part of his job. But then where

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<v Speaker 2>I understood it was that his flatmate was getting really

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<v Speaker 2>sick of hearing him talk about it. So the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of energy he was expending on this little thing was

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<v Speaker 2>disproportionate to how annoying the little thing was. And also

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<v Speaker 2>that the impact and consequence of that little thing really

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<v Speaker 2>on the world or even on this guy, or on

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<v Speaker 2>the business. You know, if his coworker was stealing something

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<v Speaker 2>out of the till or that was kind of different.

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<v Speaker 2>But I it made me think that the person who

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<v Speaker 2>put this clip in into a group chat that I

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<v Speaker 2>was in said, you know, referred to a particular type

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.440
<v Speaker 2>person that we that we all know who's just obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with this thing that happened to them a really long

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<v Speaker 2>time ago and cannot get over it and just has

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 2>seemed really really stuck for years. And they've built this

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>little altar of grievance around this thing, and it's fossilized

0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and fossilized and calcified until that's become like a cornerstone

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<v Speaker 2>of their identity. You're, and like at the expense of

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<v Speaker 2>actually getting life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is such a good point because that is

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<v Speaker 1>a very good example of when you need a bigger world. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But when when a particular grievance or your general frustration

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<v Speaker 1>with everybody around you being a fuck witch. Yeah, you know,

0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>is coloring your worldview to a really negative place. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean in that case, absolutely bigger world is the

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<v Speaker 1>lifting of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I do want to say that there was a

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<v Speaker 3>pothole near my apartment and I was very upset about

0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 3>it because I'm not the best driver, and every time

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I was driving to my apartment, I forgot it was there,

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 3>and my whole car hits the ground every single time.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was pissing me off for so much. I

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:37.399
<v Speaker 3>was talking to everyone about it, complaining, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>called up Sydney City Council and then they fixed it

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<v Speaker 3>the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Did that they really did?

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<v Speaker 1>Mate? We Well, I won't go down the rabbit hole

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of regional potholes how long it takes together.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's amazing I find that I since I heard this,

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling myself when I need to get a bigger world,

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>because it's easier to spoty in other people.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like what he said about when the world

0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>feels out of control. Remember how we got very obsessed

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>during COVID and during lockdown sorry trigger warning about people

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>breaking a rule, because that seemed easier to control than

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the fact that we were locked in our houses for

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:19.679
<v Speaker 2>months and that was a global pandemic. And I know

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 2>that the way my brain works, I sometimes have a

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.120
<v Speaker 2>problem differentiating between a small thing and a big thing.

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 1>It's all just a big.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing to me, and sometimes I'll find myself Now, since

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I watched that going small world or big World, do

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I need to get a bigger world? Or it?

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<v Speaker 1>Really There was another video that did the rounds of

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<v Speaker 1>our group chats, which was about which is sort of similar,

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 1>but it's about very much about what you were just

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about, about somebody who can't let go of a grievance.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was about not bringing the weather. I think

0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>this is Todd Sampson to speaking.

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<v Speaker 6>Stop becoming the weather. Some men don't say I'm upset,

0:25:56.880 --> 0:26:00.680
<v Speaker 6>They just make the room colder. The partner I was quiet,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 6>then the kids are starting to be careful, even the

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 6>dog is checking the room. That's not strength, that's emotional

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 6>climate change. You're allowed to have a bad mood, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>you're not allowed to make everyone else live inside it.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite part of this video is that when he

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 3>says some men just make the room colder, he pointed

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 3>himself and goes, it's me.

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This is interesting because I don't think it is

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>only his point in this is obviously about men, because

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's talking about masculinity at the moment, but this

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>isn't only men who do know, women are very good

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>at bringing weather, right, Like if you have a face

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>as well, there you go, everywhere you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I I really I.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw this when I was I remember reading it about

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:43.879
<v Speaker 1>some kind of rock star or something. I was reading

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a piece about recording with them, and someone said, what's

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 1>it like recording with I don't know who it was.

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Let's say it's Madonna. What's it like recording with Madonna?

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>And they said, well, a star that big brings the

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 1>weather with them. Oh, And that is true, right is

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>often the most powerful inverted or the most or maybe

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>just the biggest personality brings the weather. And I remember

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.399
<v Speaker 1>when I read that, I realized that I do that.

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm not Madonna. I'm not that powerful, but sometimes you know,

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're let's say you're a small having a small

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>world moment. Yeah, and you come into like the at

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>say our planning meeting for out Loud, I've had a

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>shit day, the community's been difficult, something's going on at home,

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>And I sit down at the table and I'm bringing

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the weather. Right, if my mood is dark, if I'm impatient,

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 1>if I'm snappy, I'm bringing the weather.

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I do too.

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed this also when I was younger with my parents,

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 3>and I could always tell if they had a bad

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 3>day and I saw them in the evening, depending on

0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 3>their mood. And I actually remember listening to an episode

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.760
<v Speaker 3>of out Loud Whole and you said when your kid

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 3>enters the room, always smile at them. Whenever you see

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 3>your kids, always smile. And I remember sharing that episode

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 3>with my mom and was like.

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>You should try this. I think I was like twenty

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>three at the time, and she was like, Okay, it's true.

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.159
<v Speaker 1>And Todd Samson in that grab, we played like he

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>was we've been talking a lot about work. He was

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>talking about it in relationships. That is also so true.

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you have to bring the weather because they've been

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>a quit and they've done something bad and they need

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.479
<v Speaker 1>to be punished by a bad mood. But it's like

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.239
<v Speaker 1>in general again, it's that like awareness of am I.

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:26.919
<v Speaker 1>It's the classic thing in a relationship where it's like,

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>what's the matter? Nothing but your weather but system suggests otherwise.

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 2>My question is what if your weather system is to

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 2>do with the other person, Like like what if you're

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.080
<v Speaker 2>having a fight with your partner or your parent or

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>your child. Then you know, isn't the weather kind of

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the point? Yes?

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think you can definitely. Then you're like weather

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 1>god and you're implementing the weather for a purpose.

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Like I can tell when my partner walks into a room.

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I can tell if he's shitty with me. He doesn't

0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>eas enough to say a word, he doesn't have to

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 2>look at me. I can tell literally by the way

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 2>he's moving, the way he's walking. I can tell whether yeah,

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I think the people well, you can be at any

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 2>level and bring the weather with you. When we first started,

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Mama Mayr and we had to make up.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Core values.

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you talk about the culture of a business,

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the culture comes from the core values of that business

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and every business. You can do this in a family too, right,

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Everyone has to be able to refer to it to

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>mean something that the values that that that business or

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>that family or that person holds dear. And one of

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.720
<v Speaker 2>the ones that we had one was get shit done

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and don't freak out.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>They were two of them.

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Don't freak out was great because it was full on

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 2>in that startups phase and also gets it done, which

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>was just about how much there was to do. But

0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>a third one was put your sparkle on because for

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of we had a lot of young people

0:29:55.600 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>working in the office and we were a new we

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 2>were working in very intense situations. But also everyone had

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>stuff going on in their personal life, and there are

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>some people who hadn't worked in an office before and

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they would come in with everything that was going on

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 2>in their life and they would bring the weather with them.

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>That's such a great way of putting it. So our

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 2>idea about putt your sparkle on, which is.

0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Leave that shit.

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>At the door, don't bring the weather with you. And

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to bring the weather, bring the sunshine.

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>And it can be really hard because you and I

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 2>have bad poker face as whole. Like I can always

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 2>tell when something's up with you, you can always tell when

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 2>there's something up with something's up with me, we're not

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>very good actors.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>And also you don't want to tip into toxic positivity. No,

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I just find it impossible.

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>And when you are a leader in particular, you have

0:30:51.000 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>to do a lot of putting your sparkle on. You

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>have to really fake it because you know, leaders and

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>people who have big personalities bring a lot more weather.

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>They're big weather systems.

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's also important because sometimes you don't

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 3>even know you're bringing the weather with you until someone

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 3>calls you out.

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Me.

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 3>You called me out once before when I was in

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 3>my early twenties and I just had the podcast The Undone,

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 3>and it was like a dating podcast, and I went

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 3>through like a really horrible time with the situationship and

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 3>I was talking about on the podcast, but it was

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 3>really seeping into my every day and you pulled me

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 3>aside one day and you were like, you're losing your sparkle,

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, and that immediately made me realize,

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 3>like I had no idea. It was like impacting all

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 3>of these little pockets of my life. And I think

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 3>it's only when someone calls it out you actually yourself

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>realize how you've been like acting in little ways that

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 3>you didn't even.

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Know you were. Now we need to know how to

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 1>change the weather, how to change our weather. Yeah, well

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>it goes actively shake it off. It's part of that.

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Bring your whole self to work. But it's like, no,

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>actually don't you don't necessarily. I don't think the workplace

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't appropriate place to bring your whole self. I think

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>with people who are close to you, you should bring

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.520
<v Speaker 2>your whole self if you want intimate relationships. I don't

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>just mean sexual ones, I mean with your friends, right,

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard when you know someone really really well.

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, everybody can't be I remember when

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I first was working with the Twins with Jesse and Claire,

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they'd be like, oh, you're all like hi every morning.

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I was a boss in those days, and I would

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.040
<v Speaker 1>come in and I do always say hello and that

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, and they'd be like, oh, so annoying,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>so jarring. I know, this is how we do it.

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>You're polite, smiley to people in the dead Like it's

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a fine line between being fake and not and not

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 1>being fake. But I think that being mindful of it,

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.239
<v Speaker 1>like most things, is half of it, isn't it. You know?

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it can be performative, like when if I'm

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 2>going through a difficult time or there's shit being written

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 2>about MMA mea in the media. I'm very aware that

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 2>people are looking to me in the same way you

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>might look at a flight attendant on a plane during turbulence.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Should I be worried? Yeah, to go?

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 2>And so then I have to you know, no matter

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 2>what the actual weather is, I have to make sure

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm bringing sunshine without being toxically positive.

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So how hard it's really interesting?

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh can be really hard, really really really hard. I

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>mean they're harder things in life, like eating a bison, but.

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>One bit of the time, exactly. I have one more

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>type of people things to drop into the chat before

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>we move on to recommendations. You recommended last week Colin

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>from Accounts died season three and it's so good.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's ongoing right now.

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>This.

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I promise it's not a spoiler in this because I

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>tried to talk to Elier about this yesterday and she

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<v Speaker 1>got upset with me in a nice way. She got

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<v Speaker 1>upset with me because she's like, no spoilers. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a line in Colin from Accounts that I had

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<v Speaker 1>to stop the TV and to write it down. So

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered where one character says to another one they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a woman who someone is dating, and they say,

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<v Speaker 1>she's such a ring picker.

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Kid it down because I know exactly what a ring

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<v Speaker 1>picker is. Yeah, do you it's yes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's someone who wants to pick out their own engagement ring.

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<v Speaker 1>And therefore also wants to control the insinuation there is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a person who wants to control things. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you took from it? Nope?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, there's nothing wrong with being a ring picker.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of us are very particular about it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're worried, it doesn't get to be negative. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point is there are types of people, and there

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a ring picker is an is an identifiable type of person.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was referring to someone who was like getting ahead

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>of the relationship, who was like wanting to pick a ring,

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, like in the same way doodling your name

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<v Speaker 2>in someone's last name. Yeah, you do it prematurely.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, Like if I get you allowed to be,

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 3>I get into a relationship. I'm very clear in the

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 3>first few dates, like if this goes well, we're getting

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 3>engaged in this amount of time, and then we're getting

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<v Speaker 3>married in this amount of time, and then if I

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 3>want kids, we'll have kids in this amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a ring picker.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're also a ring picker. I am not.

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>You are You've literally very dare you?

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 2>You've literally picked your own ring and sent a link

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to Brent and told him what to buy you.

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<v Speaker 1>For your part? I actually didn't, Penny did it? But yeah,

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that's true. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's different because how much is that just pragmatism going?

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<v Speaker 1>He's got bad tape. So here's the thing, hybrid It

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't I don't. As I said, I don't think there

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 1>being a ring picker is necessarily a negative thing. But

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about writing the captures personality, which is

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>why I stop and write that down, there are some

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 1>generalizations that just work really well. And as soon as

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>you say that, I know what that means. It's not

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>necesarily a bad thing. It's a woman who is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to put up with wearing a piece of jewelry

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>on her hand that she doesn't like, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only am I a ring picker, I'm a ring buyer. Yes,

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I just buy my own rings.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not not your engay a ring though, right,

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>although you did, I think so you're a ring picker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I bought my own just well. Jason obviously got me

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.760
<v Speaker 2>one and I decided I didn't I wanted a certain

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 2>type and I didn't pick it. But I was like,

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't want diamonds. I was going through my feminist stage.

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't want diamonds, and so he got me no diamonds,

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and then a few years later I was like, I

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 2>want diamonds, and then I lost when he got me anyway.

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 2>But now if I want something up, but that's also

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>because I'm not I don't like gifts. I like buying

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 2>things for myself, so I'm very controlling in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>You two are like a writer's nightmare, do you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you're like, but yeah, but this, but that's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, no, I'm sorry. Good way of describing it.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that is you're a ring picker or not

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>a ring picker. You don't have to have actually picked

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<v Speaker 2>a ring.

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<v Speaker 4>Ring, A ring picker through and through without a ring.

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<v Speaker 3>remember you did?

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<v Speaker 2>of the Lash Sensational brand. I do love a Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Keeps getting better.

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<v Speaker 3>what they do is code your eyelashes in a little

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<v Speaker 3>tube and then when you take off your mascara, it

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love it because I'm and this may be

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<v Speaker 1>So if I wear non tubular mascara, I'm a panda

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<v Speaker 1>off with warm water one swipe, You're not losing eyelashes, no, missmaging.

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<v Speaker 1>It's perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that so much, and you can get it

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<v Speaker 2>from the chemist.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to find a way to capture this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ohle, you liked a podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and I know it's controversial to ever recommend

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast because me it does. But it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good with good reason. Your ears have only got so

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>much to fill you up with, so maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have to listen to this one. You just need

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<v Speaker 1>to know about it because it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So true, Well, I won't be anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Can go on Elizabeth Day, who you've interviewed more than once,

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I think yeah. Actually, who's a British writer podcaster of

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>some renown has a very very famous show called how

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to Fail. I'm sure we've all heard it. Last week

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>she had the new British Prime Minister on it, Andy Burnham.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only reason this is interesting because, as Mia

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>will attest, generally speaking, politicians on long form interview podcasts

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>are not that interesting. We've done many of them. You've

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>done some.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard work, okay, because they're very good at being interview

0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>They're better than most people. Yeah, they're not say well,

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't say know how not to say anything.

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 1>But we've talked a bit on on out Loud about

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>how going on podcasts, and particular long form podcasts with

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>politicians has become absolute table stakes. They have to do

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it and it can be really risky, as we've seen

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.799
<v Speaker 1>this past week or so with the continuing fallout from

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Albow going on a comedy show where he did the

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>shoot mar he Killed thing with Kylie and then he

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.879
<v Speaker 1>made a comment about Japanese from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same as a gypsumatic incident. I believe now.

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>That's got international anyway, So risky business, right. Elizabeth Day

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 1>had the new British Prime Minister and he's a dude

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 1>called Andy Burnham, and she said that she had never

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>managed to get a prime minister or a high profile

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:22.720
<v Speaker 1>politician on her show before, because none of them wanted

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 1>to go on a show that had the word fail

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>in the title, which is so interesting and tells you

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of what's wrong with political communication. That they

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 1>would it would be weaponized against them, that it would

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 1>seem like they had failures. The reason this is interesting

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>is Andy Burnham like him or not? And obviously I'm

0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I've got a predisposition to like him because he's from Manchester.

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>But is giving everybody a bit of a masterclass in

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>digital communication. He's exceptionally good on social media. He is

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>doing things like this and he talks like a normal

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>person and he is so engaging on it. It may

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 1>be the Sandwich generation in me, but I did shed

0:40:57.880 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>a little tear when he talked about the fact that

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>his dad doesn't though he's got he's Prime Minister, because

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 1>he's got dementia and he's in a care home and

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 1>then nurses all got him around the telly and that

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>was very touching, but anyway, more interesting from a political

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>communication point, there was a bit where I nearly stopped

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the car because Elizabeth Day says something to him, like

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 1>he talks about how he worries about being sucked back

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 1>into the political machine coming back to Westminster or whatever

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 1>and not being true to himself and blah blah, and

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Day says, and are you worried about that happening again?

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And he just says yes and then stops. That's the

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>end of the sentence. And I was like, when do

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:32.359
<v Speaker 1>you ever just hear a politician that's so true? Because

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>what they do is that bridge thing, and it's really clever.

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Once you're aware of it, you'll hear it in every

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 1>interview any politician does. They basically ignore the question if

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.240
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to answer it, and they'll just bridge

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:46.879
<v Speaker 1>and then say something that they do want to say.

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's very rare that they're just direct and honest,

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>right it Actually it was strange, And then it made

0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>me think there's so much talk these days about how

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 1>what everybody wants from politicians more than anything, the much

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>overused term of all authenticity, but like talk like a

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.399
<v Speaker 1>normal person, react like a normal person. He's very good

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.800
<v Speaker 1>at that, and it's very interesting. It's a really interesting interview.

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 1>How do you think it worked for him? I think

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 1>it did. I think obviously as me and I was

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>better than anyone. There's a lot of strategy of why

0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he would choose to go on Elizabeth Day female voters.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 1>But also it's a brave thing to do because even

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>though she gave him pretty easy right, she wasn't really

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>sales in him.

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 2>But that's the sort of the equivalent of I don't know,

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>doing a story in the Women's Weekly once upon a time.

0:42:33.880 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's showing the human side, you know,

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>getting getting a longer stretch of time. It's not combative,

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to be asked tough questions. You can

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:49.760
<v Speaker 2>really get show people who you are. So when you say,

0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>what the modern media cycle demands is that and we

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>know that celebrities have solved that by just starting their

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 2>own podcasts and interviewing each other, So that have to go,

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, ask be asked a single question that I

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>want to be asked. Why do you think it didn't

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:10.200
<v Speaker 2>work for Albow? Because he was himself on that, but

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:11.840
<v Speaker 2>he sort of forgot.

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Also what he I think he made the wrong choice

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.720
<v Speaker 1>of podcasts. Yes in the Halbow, what are you doing?

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 1>He went on a podcast that was a blatant po

0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>comedy podcast that the actual the whole premise of it

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>is a very very old fashioned word. But Rye Bald

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of like ye know Inuendo was Kyle esque. Yeah,

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.919
<v Speaker 1>but it was a female interviewer. It was just full

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.879
<v Speaker 1>of landmines and the things that he's actually good at

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>it were not on display. And I think that when

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>we say we want to hear politicians sound like ordinary people,

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't necessarily mean me want to sound like comedians. Well,

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I know you know what I mean like, but we

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>just want them to sound, not like we're just getting

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 1>all the sound by.

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Because when I did that no filter with Albow the

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 2>first time, I think it was before, just before he

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 2>became Home Minister. That episode, unlike most politician episodes, did

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 2>so well and so many people said they loved it

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.279
<v Speaker 2>because he was very human. He spoke about his mum,

0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>he talked about and talked about his upbringing, about his divorce,

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 2>and he was not selling anything and he was I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's hard, isn't it, Because you when everybody's waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for you to fuck up and trying to weaponize everything

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<v Speaker 2>that you say, you have to be a lot more cautious.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also wonder, and you know, this might just

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<v Speaker 1>be conjecture, but whether he would be able to be

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<v Speaker 1>like that now, almost after years of actually been prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's like politics makes you less and less human

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. And obviously Andy Burnham was in a

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<v Speaker 1>similar situation. He's at the beginning of his prime ministership.

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<v Speaker 1>He's probably got a bit more leeway to be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a fuck up. That was a mistake. I

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<v Speaker 1>messed that up, and that blah blah because he's not

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<v Speaker 1>the boss. But it's a genuinely really good episode. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm recommending it if you're interested in that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm interested.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Elizabeth Day is great generally speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Out loud, as will have been following some time back,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe my quest for a new lunch. I yeah, peanut

0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>butter toast was a mainstay for years, years and years

0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:19.799
<v Speaker 2>and music, and then one day I just couldn't eat

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<v Speaker 2>it anymore. And I haven't eaten it since and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a good well over a year ago. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be honest, I've been struggling since then. I

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<v Speaker 2>just have not been able to find my lunch. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I might have found it, and it's quite recent

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quite exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Is bison.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a vegetarian, so it's not bison, No, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is cottage cheese, not just on its own, because that

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<v Speaker 2>would be sad, even sadder than cottae cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Alre it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very funny because being this age, it does feel

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<v Speaker 2>like eating or maybe any age, but particularly.

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<v Speaker 1>Our age hole is.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like eating protein is your full time job.

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's very funny in them'm may kitchen. We all

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<v Speaker 2>come with our boiled eggs, and how you did a

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<v Speaker 2>cracker the other day? What was your.

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<v Speaker 1>Smoked salmon, cottage cheese and an egg and an egg? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was your breakfast.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, trifecta hole you're doing. You're putting

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of shape. But I'm throwing back to my

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 2>mum was an early adopter of so many things. She

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<v Speaker 2>made me have, like vegetable juice and rescue remedy and

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>like homeopathic stuff. And I had to have wholemeal bread

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<v Speaker 2>at my birthday parties.

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 1>She would put sprouts.

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<v Speaker 2>In the vegimite sandwiches on vogel breadying That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>had no friends my parents.

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>My mom was like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a bit seventies, no seventies, but anyway, it

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<v Speaker 2>sort of obviously seeped in. But one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>she used to do is give me Pean cottage cheese

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<v Speaker 2>and jam sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 1>Cottag cheese and jam.

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<v Speaker 2>Cottage cheese and jams. So the cottage cheese is the

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<v Speaker 2>protein and the jam makes it a sweet treat. And

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<v Speaker 2>so she raised my children on cottage cheese and jam

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>sandwiches as well. Whenever they went to her house, they

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 2>get very nostalgic about cottage cheese and jam sandwiches because

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.920
<v Speaker 2>that's what they were given. That's all My mom and

0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I are not fantastic cooks. But so now I've started

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<v Speaker 2>reminding myself that cottage cheese great protein, sweet treat. Whack

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<v Speaker 2>it on some toast. That's my lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Cottage cheese and jam on toast. Yeah, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>get you some more meg and jam. Yeah, that would do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll use any old thing. I'll use any old thing. Yeah,

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 2>strawberry jam is best, but I highly recommend if you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find a way. Yeah, we've got a particular

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<v Speaker 2>type of Helga's that I really like here. Mixed grain

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<v Speaker 2>is my demand, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Bread it has to be.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to be helped, No, it has to be

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<v Speaker 2>Helger's mixed grain.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it?

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<v Speaker 2>But so yeah, because I know that it can be

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<v Speaker 2>a real drudge trying to get all the protein. And

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<v Speaker 2>you knew that you admit to get in under day

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just like quite a fun way you could have.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't desert my life exciting you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can have your cutt of cheese and jam

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