1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,744 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,784 --> 00:00:30,584 Speaker 2: to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodney. 5 00:00:30,224 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 3: And I'm Cassanula Kitch. 6 00:00:31,944 --> 00:00:34,304 Speaker 2: And because it is Friday, our favorite day of the 7 00:00:34,304 --> 00:00:36,864 Speaker 2: week where we love to deep dive into movies and 8 00:00:36,984 --> 00:00:40,104 Speaker 2: TV shows, today we're going to be having a bit 9 00:00:40,104 --> 00:00:43,144 Speaker 2: of a tragic turn with some love stories. 10 00:00:42,784 --> 00:00:46,624 Speaker 1: And we're going to lean into our sadness and into 11 00:00:46,744 --> 00:00:47,944 Speaker 1: having a good cry. 12 00:00:48,264 --> 00:00:50,664 Speaker 2: Yes, well, yes, hopefully there'll be many tears in this 13 00:00:50,744 --> 00:00:54,624 Speaker 2: episode because we are talking about the most tragic love 14 00:00:54,704 --> 00:00:57,584 Speaker 2: stories that's been committed to film, and not just tragic 15 00:00:57,664 --> 00:01:01,904 Speaker 2: love stories, love stories that ended in death and or sickness. 16 00:01:02,384 --> 00:01:04,984 Speaker 2: And while that might sound like a bit of a downer, 17 00:01:05,264 --> 00:01:07,744 Speaker 2: this is like a common trope in romance stories and 18 00:01:07,784 --> 00:01:11,624 Speaker 2: love stories that have been, you know, shaping Hollywood for decades, 19 00:01:11,664 --> 00:01:15,504 Speaker 2: because there's nothing more beautiful than watching two hot people 20 00:01:15,544 --> 00:01:17,544 Speaker 2: fall in love and then watching one of them die 21 00:01:17,584 --> 00:01:19,504 Speaker 2: tragically to make you feel alife. 22 00:01:19,624 --> 00:01:21,744 Speaker 1: I think it's also just like sometimes you need a 23 00:01:21,784 --> 00:01:25,104 Speaker 1: really good cry and I'm just pray warning everyone, I'm 24 00:01:25,224 --> 00:01:27,704 Speaker 1: a little bit pay messy, so there might base some 25 00:01:28,064 --> 00:01:29,384 Speaker 1: tears that I got stopped. 26 00:01:29,384 --> 00:01:31,384 Speaker 2: All right. Well, in that case, head over to our 27 00:01:31,464 --> 00:01:34,344 Speaker 2: vodkas and I watch us on YouTube to see because 28 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:34,864 Speaker 2: then you cry. 29 00:01:34,944 --> 00:01:36,984 Speaker 3: This is the perfect episode for me, Shay. 30 00:01:38,264 --> 00:01:40,224 Speaker 2: So the reason we're talking about this, I didn't just 31 00:01:40,264 --> 00:01:44,304 Speaker 2: pick this topic out of the air to make you cry. Yeah, 32 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:46,504 Speaker 2: I just love to talk about death and illness and 33 00:01:46,624 --> 00:01:49,064 Speaker 2: romance and all in one go. No, it's off the 34 00:01:49,064 --> 00:01:51,104 Speaker 2: back of the fact this new movie has premiered a 35 00:01:51,104 --> 00:01:53,464 Speaker 2: few weeks ago, so many people are talking about it, 36 00:01:53,464 --> 00:01:55,824 Speaker 2: so many people are watching it. And it's called The 37 00:01:55,864 --> 00:01:58,104 Speaker 2: Map that Leads to You that came out recently on 38 00:01:58,144 --> 00:01:58,744 Speaker 2: Prime Video. 39 00:02:00,144 --> 00:02:02,864 Speaker 1: Tell me about the boy that was following us out 40 00:02:02,864 --> 00:02:07,904 Speaker 1: of the tream sushing, I'm Jack. Will he the question? 41 00:02:10,624 --> 00:02:14,264 Speaker 4: They kissed Castro and she is just now telling us that. 42 00:02:15,984 --> 00:02:17,544 Speaker 3: Just sophing it doesn't like Jne out to be a 43 00:02:17,624 --> 00:02:18,224 Speaker 3: serial killer. 44 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:24,104 Speaker 1: Yes, So this is another great little romance movie, of course, 45 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,544 Speaker 1: adapted from a book which had a big fan base, 46 00:02:26,944 --> 00:02:30,744 Speaker 1: and it's got Kiwi kJ Apper in it from Riverdale, 47 00:02:31,344 --> 00:02:34,224 Speaker 1: and it's kind of been getting quite a lot of buzz. 48 00:02:34,624 --> 00:02:36,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's had like a lot of people were excited 49 00:02:36,544 --> 00:02:38,464 Speaker 2: about it. One because a lot of people had read 50 00:02:38,504 --> 00:02:42,184 Speaker 2: the book by JP Monier, but also because of the casting. 51 00:02:42,304 --> 00:02:44,624 Speaker 2: So it stars, as you said, kJ Apper, our favorite 52 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:47,584 Speaker 2: New Zealand actor who's been on the TV show The 53 00:02:47,704 --> 00:02:51,584 Speaker 2: Teen Sensation Rivedale for many years, but also Madeline Klein, 54 00:02:51,664 --> 00:02:54,104 Speaker 2: who people would know from Outer Bank. So it brought 55 00:02:54,184 --> 00:02:57,624 Speaker 2: together two hot people from two beloved and crazy teen 56 00:02:57,704 --> 00:03:00,224 Speaker 2: shows and put them together in this romance. And I 57 00:03:00,264 --> 00:03:01,904 Speaker 2: think a lot of people tuned in for that, but 58 00:03:01,984 --> 00:03:04,384 Speaker 2: they sort of if you hadn't read the book, weren't 59 00:03:04,424 --> 00:03:06,264 Speaker 2: sure where the story was going. And I had to say, 60 00:03:06,264 --> 00:03:07,704 Speaker 2: first of all, I really loved this movie. 61 00:03:08,224 --> 00:03:11,144 Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't seen it yet and I don't really 62 00:03:11,184 --> 00:03:12,784 Speaker 1: know much about it, so I'm going to like lean 63 00:03:12,864 --> 00:03:15,864 Speaker 1: into you to give me the telling you too many spoilers. 64 00:03:15,944 --> 00:03:18,264 Speaker 2: I'm going to spoil some other movies later in the 65 00:03:18,264 --> 00:03:19,744 Speaker 2: show that have been out for twenty years, and I 66 00:03:19,784 --> 00:03:21,544 Speaker 2: feel like that's fair, but this one has been out 67 00:03:21,584 --> 00:03:23,544 Speaker 2: for a few weeks, so I'll give people a grace period. 68 00:03:23,944 --> 00:03:26,064 Speaker 2: But yes, it came out on Prime video. I watched it. 69 00:03:26,104 --> 00:03:28,064 Speaker 2: I really loved it. I posted about it on Instagram 70 00:03:28,184 --> 00:03:29,704 Speaker 2: just to let the world know it was out there. 71 00:03:30,064 --> 00:03:32,504 Speaker 2: I was flooded with replies of people saying that they 72 00:03:32,584 --> 00:03:34,664 Speaker 2: had watched off the back of that or were watching it, 73 00:03:35,144 --> 00:03:37,424 Speaker 2: and people were falling in love with it one because 74 00:03:37,864 --> 00:03:39,344 Speaker 2: you know, I think people are so desperate for some 75 00:03:39,464 --> 00:03:42,064 Speaker 2: like cute love stories all sorts of a bit tragic. Also, 76 00:03:42,184 --> 00:03:44,504 Speaker 2: it's set across this beautiful backdrop of Europe. Okay, So 77 00:03:44,984 --> 00:03:48,224 Speaker 2: Madeline Klein plays Heather. So Heather is kind of a 78 00:03:48,304 --> 00:03:50,704 Speaker 2: girl who always, you know, plays by the rules her 79 00:03:50,744 --> 00:03:52,784 Speaker 2: whole life. She's got like a twenty year life plan, right, 80 00:03:53,184 --> 00:03:55,544 Speaker 2: And so she's just graduated from college and she's got 81 00:03:55,584 --> 00:03:58,384 Speaker 2: herself set up with this fancy finance job in New York. 82 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:01,744 Speaker 2: But before she starts her new job, she and her 83 00:04:01,784 --> 00:04:04,104 Speaker 2: two best friends from college do like the normal kind 84 00:04:04,144 --> 00:04:06,104 Speaker 2: of early girl in your twenties thing. They set off 85 00:04:06,144 --> 00:04:08,944 Speaker 2: on this backpacking trip around Europe and they're having a 86 00:04:09,024 --> 00:04:11,944 Speaker 2: wild time. Even though Heather's very much like I've got 87 00:04:11,984 --> 00:04:13,984 Speaker 2: an itinerary planned, we have to go here at this time. 88 00:04:14,064 --> 00:04:16,904 Speaker 2: EETs today like she's the one who's keeping her friends together. 89 00:04:17,304 --> 00:04:20,144 Speaker 2: One night. On an overnight train, she meets Jack played 90 00:04:20,184 --> 00:04:23,984 Speaker 2: by kJ Appa, who's this wild and footloose, fancy free 91 00:04:24,064 --> 00:04:27,384 Speaker 2: guy in his twenties who's just aimlessly wandering around Europe. 92 00:04:27,384 --> 00:04:30,384 Speaker 2: And he's following his great grandfather's journal that has a 93 00:04:30,464 --> 00:04:32,864 Speaker 2: map of all the places that he went in Europe. 94 00:04:33,424 --> 00:04:35,864 Speaker 2: So that's cute, a classic, like little meat cute on 95 00:04:35,944 --> 00:04:36,664 Speaker 2: a train in Europe. 96 00:04:36,824 --> 00:04:39,224 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever had any mate cutes on trains, 97 00:04:39,304 --> 00:04:40,864 Speaker 1: just I only ever met creepy guys. 98 00:04:40,904 --> 00:04:42,584 Speaker 2: I had a lot of meat every time I've had 99 00:04:42,624 --> 00:04:44,664 Speaker 2: a wild backtracking trip. I have had a few like 100 00:04:44,824 --> 00:04:47,784 Speaker 2: quick Eupeian romances, but I've never had a hot guy 101 00:04:48,304 --> 00:04:49,944 Speaker 2: come up and hit on me on a train and 102 00:04:50,024 --> 00:04:51,944 Speaker 2: then followed me to a club in a non creepy way, 103 00:04:51,944 --> 00:04:53,704 Speaker 2: which is what happens here now. It's the whole thing, 104 00:04:54,224 --> 00:04:57,344 Speaker 2: like pickpockets and like yeah, or creepy junk guys on 105 00:04:57,384 --> 00:04:59,744 Speaker 2: a train or something like that. This is the classic. 106 00:04:59,944 --> 00:05:03,224 Speaker 2: Like it's cute because he's cute that he kind of 107 00:05:03,424 --> 00:05:05,064 Speaker 2: just comes up to her on this train and like 108 00:05:05,184 --> 00:05:08,264 Speaker 2: gets into the luggage kind of carriage thing above where 109 00:05:08,344 --> 00:05:10,304 Speaker 2: she's trying to read on this overnight train just keep 110 00:05:10,504 --> 00:05:13,384 Speaker 2: talking to her, and afterwards he and his friend follow 111 00:05:13,464 --> 00:05:15,464 Speaker 2: her and her friends to a club to meet up 112 00:05:15,464 --> 00:05:18,104 Speaker 2: with them. In any other movie a serial killer, Yeah, 113 00:05:18,104 --> 00:05:21,224 Speaker 2: this could have gone a really different ways. kJ Apper 114 00:05:21,304 --> 00:05:24,624 Speaker 2: and he's really cute. It's so romantic. So Heather and 115 00:05:24,744 --> 00:05:27,184 Speaker 2: Jack go and have this wild night out together in Europe. 116 00:05:27,184 --> 00:05:29,784 Speaker 2: They start to fall in love. The friendship groups all 117 00:05:29,824 --> 00:05:32,104 Speaker 2: split up. She instead of flying to New York to 118 00:05:32,104 --> 00:05:33,904 Speaker 2: start to her job, she stays in Europe a few 119 00:05:33,904 --> 00:05:35,784 Speaker 2: more weeks with him, and they gone this venture together. 120 00:05:36,224 --> 00:05:38,504 Speaker 2: And I won't spoil what's happening at the end, but 121 00:05:39,464 --> 00:05:42,584 Speaker 2: Jack has some bad health news and I think that 122 00:05:42,864 --> 00:05:45,384 Speaker 2: throws the story into disarray and their love story. These 123 00:05:45,504 --> 00:05:45,864 Speaker 2: kinds of. 124 00:05:45,944 --> 00:05:50,584 Speaker 1: Movies, I feel like, honest common these days. And I 125 00:05:50,664 --> 00:05:54,544 Speaker 1: think like gen Z now are really discovering that type 126 00:05:54,584 --> 00:05:58,784 Speaker 1: of t jerk or romance, that tragic love story. You know, 127 00:05:58,904 --> 00:06:02,024 Speaker 1: you're Romeo and Juliet for the modern age. It's like 128 00:06:02,304 --> 00:06:04,544 Speaker 1: it was really really popular in like the twenty ten. 129 00:06:04,664 --> 00:06:07,944 Speaker 1: So we kind of picked some of our favorites while 130 00:06:07,944 --> 00:06:10,864 Speaker 1: I was doing the research with this, Honestly, like could 131 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:11,624 Speaker 1: barely keep my. 132 00:06:12,104 --> 00:06:14,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we went through a time where if you 133 00:06:14,504 --> 00:06:16,744 Speaker 2: went to the movies to watch a romance and it 134 00:06:16,864 --> 00:06:19,424 Speaker 2: didn't end tragically with one of the couple dying, you 135 00:06:19,504 --> 00:06:21,384 Speaker 2: were like, what am I spending my money for? Like, 136 00:06:21,464 --> 00:06:23,024 Speaker 2: that's what you went to the movies to see. So 137 00:06:23,064 --> 00:06:24,544 Speaker 2: I think maybe we don't do it now as much 138 00:06:24,544 --> 00:06:26,544 Speaker 2: because we went too hard and too fast for a 139 00:06:26,584 --> 00:06:28,544 Speaker 2: few years with the sick lit stories. 140 00:06:28,864 --> 00:06:30,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean like it's all that sort of 141 00:06:30,904 --> 00:06:34,304 Speaker 1: you know, it's the Greek tragedy, it's versus the Greek comedy. 142 00:06:34,504 --> 00:06:39,264 Speaker 1: You know, it's actually very historic and important. So I'm 143 00:06:39,264 --> 00:06:42,224 Speaker 1: going to go first with my favorite one. Yes, well 144 00:06:42,264 --> 00:06:43,784 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of favorites, but I'm going to 145 00:06:43,864 --> 00:06:47,424 Speaker 1: start here. So this one is called PS I Love 146 00:06:47,504 --> 00:06:51,584 Speaker 1: You from two thousand and seven, and it stars Hillary 147 00:06:51,664 --> 00:06:54,984 Speaker 1: Swank as Holly and Grard Butler as Jerry. 148 00:06:55,984 --> 00:06:57,464 Speaker 3: My hotel was thirty five years old. 149 00:06:57,704 --> 00:07:02,784 Speaker 4: He wasn't supposed to die, surprise. 150 00:07:03,504 --> 00:07:04,344 Speaker 1: I have a plan. 151 00:07:04,664 --> 00:07:07,064 Speaker 4: I've written your letters, letters that will be coming to 152 00:07:07,104 --> 00:07:08,384 Speaker 4: you all sorts of ways. 153 00:07:08,664 --> 00:07:12,304 Speaker 1: Now you must do what I say. Okay, Jerry and 154 00:07:12,504 --> 00:07:16,064 Speaker 1: Holly are married, they're you know, really really happy. But 155 00:07:16,184 --> 00:07:19,704 Speaker 1: within the first ten minutes bang were at a funeral 156 00:07:19,944 --> 00:07:22,424 Speaker 1: and Jerry is dead. This is not like a slow 157 00:07:22,504 --> 00:07:24,624 Speaker 1: lead up. This is a straight away, Oh my god, 158 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:25,864 Speaker 1: what has happened? 159 00:07:26,544 --> 00:07:26,704 Speaker 2: Now? 160 00:07:26,824 --> 00:07:27,904 Speaker 3: Jerry is Irish. 161 00:07:28,504 --> 00:07:30,944 Speaker 1: Jerry and Holly fell in love really young, and they're 162 00:07:31,024 --> 00:07:32,784 Speaker 1: married now and sort of trying to figure out the 163 00:07:32,864 --> 00:07:33,824 Speaker 1: next stage of their lives. 164 00:07:33,864 --> 00:07:35,904 Speaker 3: They're going to buy a house, so they're going to 165 00:07:35,984 --> 00:07:39,304 Speaker 3: have children. And after Jerry dies, he dies of a 166 00:07:39,384 --> 00:07:40,144 Speaker 3: brain t tumor. 167 00:07:40,584 --> 00:07:45,664 Speaker 1: Obviously, Holly is distraught, and she all of a sudden 168 00:07:45,744 --> 00:07:49,544 Speaker 1: a few months later, is like severely depressed, like dancing 169 00:07:49,624 --> 00:07:51,584 Speaker 1: around her apartment. 170 00:07:51,864 --> 00:07:55,264 Speaker 3: Drinking and smelling and you know, just in that real 171 00:07:55,464 --> 00:07:56,264 Speaker 3: state of grief. 172 00:07:56,984 --> 00:07:58,704 Speaker 1: And her friends and her mum come over and they 173 00:07:58,824 --> 00:08:02,344 Speaker 1: share this little clip that Jerry has saved for her. 174 00:08:02,424 --> 00:08:05,864 Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't know happing to get to this episode, and. 175 00:08:05,904 --> 00:08:09,624 Speaker 1: He basically starts to write her a series of letters 176 00:08:09,704 --> 00:08:12,304 Speaker 1: that get seeded out through the course of I think 177 00:08:12,384 --> 00:08:16,184 Speaker 1: a year, and each of these letters ends with PS 178 00:08:16,384 --> 00:08:18,864 Speaker 1: I love you, yeah, And it's his way of trying 179 00:08:18,904 --> 00:08:23,104 Speaker 1: to help Holly get over the grief. Now, the reason 180 00:08:23,144 --> 00:08:26,944 Speaker 1: why this movie is so great is one Irish Irish 181 00:08:27,064 --> 00:08:29,504 Speaker 1: men and Irish accents. Now, Gerard Butler did get a 182 00:08:29,544 --> 00:08:32,264 Speaker 1: little bit of flack for his not so great Irish accent, 183 00:08:32,424 --> 00:08:34,144 Speaker 1: but because he's Scottish. 184 00:08:34,304 --> 00:08:35,944 Speaker 3: But I mean, I didn't notice. 185 00:08:36,024 --> 00:08:38,864 Speaker 1: And also this particular time, so two thousand and seven 186 00:08:39,104 --> 00:08:41,024 Speaker 1: was right when I finished high school and my English 187 00:08:41,064 --> 00:08:45,104 Speaker 1: teacher was Irish and I had a massive crush on him. Oh, 188 00:08:45,224 --> 00:08:48,184 Speaker 1: here's a saucy story, obviously, like, do you watch this 189 00:08:48,584 --> 00:08:51,344 Speaker 1: movie around the time of my big Irish crush on 190 00:08:51,464 --> 00:08:52,104 Speaker 1: my teacher? 191 00:08:52,224 --> 00:08:54,904 Speaker 2: Are you looking at Joe Butler on screen picturing your teacher? 192 00:08:55,064 --> 00:08:57,824 Speaker 1: No, I just the accent was so ingrained in my 193 00:08:57,984 --> 00:09:00,104 Speaker 1: brain that I just think it really like hit me 194 00:09:00,224 --> 00:09:01,304 Speaker 1: in a really different place. 195 00:09:02,024 --> 00:09:03,664 Speaker 3: And so she goes to Ireland. 196 00:09:03,904 --> 00:09:08,024 Speaker 1: She meets another hot Irish guy played by Jeffrey D. Williams, 197 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:11,264 Speaker 1: and if you are a fan of The Walking Dead 198 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:11,984 Speaker 1: you will know him. 199 00:09:13,064 --> 00:09:14,904 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm intimately equated with this man. 200 00:09:15,224 --> 00:09:18,864 Speaker 1: He's also a beautiful what's his name in Walking Dead again, Megannagan? 201 00:09:18,904 --> 00:09:20,904 Speaker 2: That's right. But also a lot of people know him 202 00:09:20,904 --> 00:09:24,344 Speaker 2: as Denny from Gray's Anatomy. Yes, yeah, as the dad 203 00:09:24,384 --> 00:09:27,704 Speaker 2: from Supernatural. Oh, Denny is the perfect Yeah, Okay, so 204 00:09:27,824 --> 00:09:29,344 Speaker 2: he knows how to make the ladies cry. 205 00:09:29,664 --> 00:09:31,464 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean they have this kind of fleeing 206 00:09:31,544 --> 00:09:32,504 Speaker 3: and it's really sweet. 207 00:09:33,144 --> 00:09:35,184 Speaker 1: I think the reason why this hits hard so much 208 00:09:35,304 --> 00:09:38,064 Speaker 1: is is like kind of getting messages from people you've 209 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:41,344 Speaker 1: lost beyond the grave and the idea that you know, 210 00:09:41,504 --> 00:09:44,584 Speaker 1: he's like trying to help her get through this. I 211 00:09:44,664 --> 00:09:47,864 Speaker 1: think the biggest tear jerk a moment for me in 212 00:09:47,984 --> 00:09:50,464 Speaker 1: this movie is when, like right at the end, it's 213 00:09:50,504 --> 00:09:53,584 Speaker 1: sort of towards the year mark, she runs to her mother, 214 00:09:53,704 --> 00:09:57,224 Speaker 1: who's played by Kathy Bates, and she hugs her. She's sobbing, 215 00:09:57,264 --> 00:09:58,464 Speaker 1: and it's like one of those moments where you just 216 00:09:58,544 --> 00:10:01,424 Speaker 1: need your mom. She's sobbing and sobbing. 217 00:10:01,464 --> 00:10:03,264 Speaker 3: She's like, I can't do this without him. 218 00:10:04,184 --> 00:10:07,664 Speaker 1: Here we go, it's starting, and you know, Kathy Bates 219 00:10:07,824 --> 00:10:11,384 Speaker 1: is like just trying to comfort her daughter. And at 220 00:10:11,424 --> 00:10:13,224 Speaker 1: the end of it, she's not like she finds another love, 221 00:10:13,304 --> 00:10:17,024 Speaker 1: but it's like she's finally starting to deal with her grief. 222 00:10:17,784 --> 00:10:21,144 Speaker 3: But Gerard Butley is so charming and he's you know, 223 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:23,344 Speaker 3: the jolly Irish. 224 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:26,624 Speaker 1: Guy that's funny, and he's you know, plays the guitar 225 00:10:26,944 --> 00:10:30,264 Speaker 1: and he's sexy and Holly is a little bit more uptight, 226 00:10:30,824 --> 00:10:33,544 Speaker 1: so it kind of is this really nice balance, and 227 00:10:33,984 --> 00:10:34,784 Speaker 1: I really loved it. 228 00:10:35,104 --> 00:10:36,944 Speaker 2: What I think is interesting in that movie. It was 229 00:10:37,304 --> 00:10:40,744 Speaker 2: such a departure to have those actors in those roles, 230 00:10:41,104 --> 00:10:42,744 Speaker 2: which I remember going to see that the movies when 231 00:10:42,784 --> 00:10:44,384 Speaker 2: it came out and just thinking it was so wild, 232 00:10:44,464 --> 00:10:47,184 Speaker 2: Like Hillary Swain is not a romance actress. Like she's 233 00:10:47,224 --> 00:10:50,024 Speaker 2: great in this movie, but she's not a romance actress. Also, 234 00:10:50,184 --> 00:10:52,624 Speaker 2: this is more of a romantic drama than a romantic comedy. 235 00:10:52,784 --> 00:10:54,704 Speaker 2: But again, like she only ever kind of dips her 236 00:10:54,744 --> 00:10:57,304 Speaker 2: tone in romantic comedies because at that time she was 237 00:10:57,424 --> 00:11:00,504 Speaker 2: known as like the best dramatic actress in the world, 238 00:11:00,584 --> 00:11:02,744 Speaker 2: and she's a double Oscar winner, and so she was 239 00:11:02,784 --> 00:11:05,584 Speaker 2: doing all these, like you those really gretty hardcore films, 240 00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:07,824 Speaker 2: and like she's a serious actress. And I feel like 241 00:11:07,864 --> 00:11:09,424 Speaker 2: at the time, so many people was like, why is 242 00:11:09,504 --> 00:11:13,744 Speaker 2: she doing this stupid, small, sy overly sugary kind of 243 00:11:14,184 --> 00:11:16,984 Speaker 2: death trope romcom But I think like when her and 244 00:11:17,104 --> 00:11:18,864 Speaker 2: Jared Butler, they like they still get asked with that 245 00:11:18,984 --> 00:11:21,064 Speaker 2: movie all the time, of course because it's iconic, and 246 00:11:21,184 --> 00:11:23,304 Speaker 2: they both talk about the fact that they knew it 247 00:11:23,504 --> 00:11:25,384 Speaker 2: was going to be this movie that people talked about 248 00:11:25,384 --> 00:11:27,144 Speaker 2: for decades and it would be the special story. And 249 00:11:27,184 --> 00:11:29,784 Speaker 2: even jarreed Butler because he's always happy to be interviewed. 250 00:11:29,784 --> 00:11:32,264 Speaker 2: He's an angry man sometimes, but I've noticed he rarely 251 00:11:32,264 --> 00:11:35,144 Speaker 2: gets angry when interviews asking about this movie, and I 252 00:11:35,184 --> 00:11:37,424 Speaker 2: think he knows that, like it's sacred ground for people, 253 00:11:37,544 --> 00:11:38,944 Speaker 2: and not to say anything bad about it. 254 00:11:39,144 --> 00:11:41,544 Speaker 1: I think as well, it's just that notion of grief 255 00:11:41,624 --> 00:11:44,344 Speaker 1: and like having someone that you love still be able 256 00:11:44,424 --> 00:11:46,664 Speaker 1: to reach out to you and then communicate with you 257 00:11:47,784 --> 00:11:50,744 Speaker 1: even when they're not there. And I think particularly if 258 00:11:50,784 --> 00:11:52,984 Speaker 1: there's like long illnesses and stuff, people can have the 259 00:11:53,064 --> 00:11:55,704 Speaker 1: opportunity to do things like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's a 260 00:11:55,864 --> 00:11:58,864 Speaker 1: real tear jerker, that one. And like from the start, 261 00:11:59,184 --> 00:12:01,624 Speaker 1: don't build to it. It's like, within ten minutes you 262 00:12:01,744 --> 00:12:02,184 Speaker 1: are crying. 263 00:12:02,344 --> 00:12:03,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 264 00:12:04,464 --> 00:12:06,784 Speaker 3: Okay, Laura, what is yours? 265 00:12:07,144 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 2: Okay? I am going to throw it all the way 266 00:12:09,544 --> 00:12:15,264 Speaker 2: back to nineteen seventy when the first love trope death movie, 267 00:12:15,464 --> 00:12:17,384 Speaker 2: well the first one that I can trace the origin 268 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:20,384 Speaker 2: premiere and it's still one of the most talked about 269 00:12:20,504 --> 00:12:22,464 Speaker 2: romantic dramas of all time to this. 270 00:12:22,624 --> 00:12:24,784 Speaker 3: Day, I'm trying to figure out what it is. 271 00:12:25,024 --> 00:12:26,944 Speaker 2: Okay, it's called love Story. 272 00:12:27,624 --> 00:12:28,544 Speaker 3: I haven't seen this. 273 00:12:29,224 --> 00:12:31,664 Speaker 2: That is how basic? Not basic, that is how kind 274 00:12:31,664 --> 00:12:34,784 Speaker 2: of like at the forefront of this trope, this movie is. 275 00:12:35,064 --> 00:12:38,144 Speaker 2: They didn't even have to get clever with the title 276 00:12:38,264 --> 00:12:39,864 Speaker 2: or the premo or anything like that. They're like, we're 277 00:12:39,904 --> 00:12:41,464 Speaker 2: the first ones to do this, so we can call 278 00:12:41,544 --> 00:12:44,144 Speaker 2: ourselves a love story because no one's ever done it. 279 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:45,984 Speaker 2: So it was based on a book. It came out 280 00:12:45,984 --> 00:12:49,624 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy. It's romantic drama, and it tells the 281 00:12:49,704 --> 00:12:53,064 Speaker 2: story of this girl called Jennifer and this guy called Oliver. 282 00:12:53,544 --> 00:12:57,784 Speaker 2: And so Oliver comes from a very very rich, prestigious family, 283 00:12:57,864 --> 00:13:00,864 Speaker 2: and he's going to Harvard and he only kind of 284 00:13:00,984 --> 00:13:04,664 Speaker 2: mixes with other rich boys and women from society where 285 00:13:04,704 --> 00:13:08,144 Speaker 2: he comes from. And during his college years he meets Jenny, 286 00:13:08,224 --> 00:13:10,824 Speaker 2: who's from a more working class family. Her and her 287 00:13:10,904 --> 00:13:13,344 Speaker 2: dad trying to make their way in the world. She's 288 00:13:13,464 --> 00:13:16,104 Speaker 2: kind of very blue collar, working class, like you call them, 289 00:13:16,144 --> 00:13:18,144 Speaker 2: like a modern day kind of roomy and juliet, like 290 00:13:18,184 --> 00:13:19,824 Speaker 2: their families not getting along. 291 00:13:20,064 --> 00:13:22,784 Speaker 1: I love this because back then this wouldn't have been 292 00:13:22,824 --> 00:13:25,864 Speaker 1: a trope. Yet yeah, like you know, when tropes weren't tropes, 293 00:13:25,904 --> 00:13:28,224 Speaker 1: it was like brand spanking new exactly. 294 00:13:28,304 --> 00:13:29,824 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. You could call it love story 295 00:13:29,824 --> 00:13:32,024 Speaker 2: and say the trope is they come from different families. 296 00:13:32,104 --> 00:13:35,584 Speaker 2: That's the plot, and no further questions. And it was again, 297 00:13:35,664 --> 00:13:37,704 Speaker 2: this is like such an iconic movie people saw quote 298 00:13:37,704 --> 00:13:40,424 Speaker 2: it to this day. But they come from different places, 299 00:13:40,584 --> 00:13:42,504 Speaker 2: they sort of start to fall in love, and once 300 00:13:42,544 --> 00:13:44,984 Speaker 2: they fall in love, they fall for each other so hard. 301 00:13:45,464 --> 00:13:48,224 Speaker 2: But you do watch their love story evolve over time 302 00:13:48,304 --> 00:13:50,464 Speaker 2: and all the things they have to overcome. There's one 303 00:13:50,504 --> 00:13:53,464 Speaker 2: stage where Oliver takes Jenny to meet his family and 304 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:56,624 Speaker 2: they basically just say she's trash and she needs to 305 00:13:56,664 --> 00:13:59,144 Speaker 2: get out of the house. And if he decides to 306 00:13:59,264 --> 00:14:01,384 Speaker 2: marry her, because that stage that we're getting married, we're 307 00:14:01,424 --> 00:14:03,504 Speaker 2: so in love, then they'll cut him off from the 308 00:14:03,584 --> 00:14:06,344 Speaker 2: family fortune, which they do, and so they end up 309 00:14:06,384 --> 00:14:09,184 Speaker 2: getting married and things are really lovely. Also, this idea 310 00:14:09,184 --> 00:14:12,224 Speaker 2: about storylines being cycled, like once you look back at 311 00:14:12,264 --> 00:14:14,304 Speaker 2: old movies from the seventies and stuff, you're like, literally 312 00:14:14,384 --> 00:14:16,904 Speaker 2: nothing is new because at this point in time, everyone 313 00:14:16,984 --> 00:14:20,064 Speaker 2: I know is having this huge debate over Belly from 314 00:14:20,104 --> 00:14:22,184 Speaker 2: the Summer I turn pretty like she should go to Paris, 315 00:14:22,264 --> 00:14:24,544 Speaker 2: and the girls never go to Paris, And it's this 316 00:14:24,704 --> 00:14:25,264 Speaker 2: whole thing. 317 00:14:25,904 --> 00:14:28,904 Speaker 3: The girls never go to Paris. Yeah, I can name 318 00:14:28,944 --> 00:14:31,864 Speaker 3: off the top of my head, like four girls are exactly. 319 00:14:32,144 --> 00:14:36,664 Speaker 2: Joey from Dawson's Creek and also Lauren Harry Yeah, Carrie 320 00:14:36,704 --> 00:14:38,464 Speaker 2: even Sex and the City. Well, she goes to Paris 321 00:14:38,504 --> 00:14:40,344 Speaker 2: and has a bad time, so maybe that's not the 322 00:14:40,384 --> 00:14:42,664 Speaker 2: same thing. Lauren Conran from The Hills. I know that 323 00:14:42,784 --> 00:14:44,704 Speaker 2: was fake, but it was still. There's this whole trope 324 00:14:44,704 --> 00:14:47,104 Speaker 2: of girls getting this opportunity to go to Paris and 325 00:14:47,184 --> 00:14:50,384 Speaker 2: never going, and that happens in Love Story. Jenny gets 326 00:14:50,424 --> 00:14:53,184 Speaker 2: a scholarship to go to Paris when she's finished college, 327 00:14:53,504 --> 00:14:55,984 Speaker 2: but she decides not to go because she's so madly 328 00:14:56,024 --> 00:14:57,664 Speaker 2: in love with Oliver and also he's been cut off 329 00:14:57,704 --> 00:15:00,504 Speaker 2: from his family for marrying her. So they get married 330 00:15:00,824 --> 00:15:04,424 Speaker 2: and they decide to start a family, and when she 331 00:15:04,504 --> 00:15:07,104 Speaker 2: can't conceive, she goes to the doctor. You know where 332 00:15:07,104 --> 00:15:09,424 Speaker 2: this is going. She goes to the doctor. Not to 333 00:15:09,464 --> 00:15:11,944 Speaker 2: spoil a movie that came out nineteen seventy, but things 334 00:15:11,984 --> 00:15:15,544 Speaker 2: are not good for Jenny. She's termally ill. There's this 335 00:15:15,584 --> 00:15:18,024 Speaker 2: whole subplot of Oliver finding out first and not telling her, 336 00:15:18,104 --> 00:15:20,304 Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's a bit problematic, but we skate 337 00:15:20,424 --> 00:15:22,464 Speaker 2: past it. The whole point of the movie is that 338 00:15:22,544 --> 00:15:24,824 Speaker 2: at the end of it, he feels bad that he's 339 00:15:24,864 --> 00:15:26,704 Speaker 2: like stolen her dream going to Paris, and like he 340 00:15:26,784 --> 00:15:29,504 Speaker 2: stole her life by marrying her, and like all these things, 341 00:15:29,584 --> 00:15:31,264 Speaker 2: and he's like trying to lie to his family to 342 00:15:31,304 --> 00:15:33,784 Speaker 2: get money for her medical care. It's this whole thing. 343 00:15:33,824 --> 00:15:35,264 Speaker 2: And she was like, I wouldn't change a thing, Like 344 00:15:35,304 --> 00:15:36,984 Speaker 2: I'd do it all again just to be with you. 345 00:15:37,064 --> 00:15:40,744 Speaker 2: I've lost nothing, I've given up nothing. I haven't given 346 00:15:40,824 --> 00:15:43,264 Speaker 2: up Paris like having you as the main thing. There's 347 00:15:43,304 --> 00:15:45,464 Speaker 2: also this iconic line from the movie that still gets 348 00:15:45,544 --> 00:15:47,904 Speaker 2: quoted to this day, which is love means never having 349 00:15:47,944 --> 00:15:50,464 Speaker 2: to say you're sorry. Oh, it's from this, that's where 350 00:15:50,464 --> 00:15:52,584 Speaker 2: it's from there. It's make a whole lot of sense 351 00:15:52,584 --> 00:15:55,264 Speaker 2: when you talk about it, But basically he is apologizing 352 00:15:55,304 --> 00:15:57,584 Speaker 2: to her for her not getting to live his dreams 353 00:15:57,624 --> 00:16:00,024 Speaker 2: and supporting him and now she's going to die, and 354 00:16:00,464 --> 00:16:02,424 Speaker 2: she was like, love means never having. 355 00:16:02,304 --> 00:16:04,384 Speaker 3: To say you're sorry, and now I think that's now 356 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:04,904 Speaker 3: setting to me. 357 00:16:05,064 --> 00:16:08,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, You're just one of those movies that gets quoted 358 00:16:08,104 --> 00:16:10,864 Speaker 2: so much it gets like paradalogic. It's brought up in 359 00:16:10,904 --> 00:16:12,704 Speaker 2: pop culture. It's one of those things where like you're like, 360 00:16:12,744 --> 00:16:14,264 Speaker 2: I don't know where that's from, but I know it's 361 00:16:14,344 --> 00:16:17,104 Speaker 2: around and it gets settled. So it's from that movie. 362 00:16:17,584 --> 00:16:20,344 Speaker 2: So that was like the ultimate death trope. I know 363 00:16:20,384 --> 00:16:22,944 Speaker 2: I just spoiled quite a bit of it, but like, again, 364 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:24,904 Speaker 2: there's heaps more I haven said. So I feel like 365 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:27,344 Speaker 2: everyone should watch it if you haven't, because especially if 366 00:16:27,344 --> 00:16:29,704 Speaker 2: you love these types of movies, it is the blueprint 367 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 2: for like a sad death trope romance movie. 368 00:16:33,384 --> 00:16:34,424 Speaker 3: It's like the original. 369 00:16:34,704 --> 00:16:38,024 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, with a lot of these movies, it's very cancer 370 00:16:38,104 --> 00:16:41,704 Speaker 1: heavy because although my next one is not cancer heavy. 371 00:16:41,864 --> 00:16:44,304 Speaker 2: Oh good, good because my other one, but it's actually 372 00:16:44,464 --> 00:16:48,184 Speaker 2: you can't get away way Oh okay, jesus, my girl. 373 00:16:48,904 --> 00:16:51,584 Speaker 4: There's some of those things are changing for everyone. 374 00:16:51,744 --> 00:16:52,864 Speaker 1: Have you ever kissed anyone? 375 00:16:53,584 --> 00:16:58,544 Speaker 2: No, I'm going to marry mister Bixler. We get we're 376 00:16:58,584 --> 00:17:00,744 Speaker 2: a teacher because then he'll give you all age and 377 00:17:00,864 --> 00:17:01,504 Speaker 2: will be fair. 378 00:17:02,184 --> 00:17:04,784 Speaker 4: Dad likes are better than me, bigg. 379 00:17:07,984 --> 00:17:09,544 Speaker 3: How I would deliver the Brady Bunch. 380 00:17:10,384 --> 00:17:11,304 Speaker 4: Oh love them too? 381 00:17:11,824 --> 00:17:14,344 Speaker 3: No, your kids, they have enough kids. 382 00:17:14,824 --> 00:17:17,984 Speaker 2: El has a little bit the Partridge Family. This see 383 00:17:18,104 --> 00:17:22,344 Speaker 2: sometimes whenn't get older, friends stop being friends and that 384 00:17:22,544 --> 00:17:22,944 Speaker 2: video and. 385 00:17:23,024 --> 00:17:25,864 Speaker 4: Me sure be my girl. 386 00:17:26,704 --> 00:17:30,264 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nineteen ninety one. Yeah, if you don't know 387 00:17:30,384 --> 00:17:34,144 Speaker 1: this movie, honestly, this scene. I was watching this scene 388 00:17:34,144 --> 00:17:35,984 Speaker 1: when I was doing the racearch. I'm literally welling up. 389 00:17:36,224 --> 00:17:38,944 Speaker 3: I was watching the scene when he she runs over 390 00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:42,384 Speaker 3: to the to the casket. Yeah, he can't see it. 391 00:17:42,784 --> 00:17:46,264 Speaker 3: He can't see without his glasses. Where are his glasses? 392 00:17:47,064 --> 00:17:49,784 Speaker 2: That? Oh my god, Laurie or even I hate that movie. 393 00:17:49,864 --> 00:17:52,104 Speaker 2: You know why because I'm also deathly allergic to bees. 394 00:17:52,384 --> 00:17:53,384 Speaker 2: So I would be that kid. 395 00:17:53,944 --> 00:17:56,464 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's just like that we've kind of gone back, 396 00:17:56,704 --> 00:18:00,584 Speaker 1: but that like iconic scene like is still to this 397 00:18:00,744 --> 00:18:04,864 Speaker 1: day the most devastating scene has ever been watched. 398 00:18:04,944 --> 00:18:07,344 Speaker 2: You watch as a kid, right, yes, And it's probably 399 00:18:07,384 --> 00:18:09,664 Speaker 2: the first time we were properly exposed to a movie 400 00:18:09,704 --> 00:18:11,904 Speaker 2: where the main character, who was our age because he's 401 00:18:11,944 --> 00:18:13,264 Speaker 2: a kid two dies Yeah. 402 00:18:13,464 --> 00:18:15,584 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's kind of backtrack slightly. 403 00:18:15,784 --> 00:18:20,024 Speaker 1: Now it's starring Anna chumpsky and Macaulay Culkin, So this 404 00:18:20,184 --> 00:18:22,944 Speaker 1: is one of Anna's very very first roles. 405 00:18:23,584 --> 00:18:26,064 Speaker 3: And Macaulay Culkin, this is like right in the. 406 00:18:26,144 --> 00:18:29,944 Speaker 1: Height of his home alone fame, so big stars, and 407 00:18:29,984 --> 00:18:32,384 Speaker 1: we've got Jamie Lee Curtis in it, who we love, 408 00:18:32,704 --> 00:18:35,784 Speaker 1: and Dan Akroyd, who was such a staple in eighties 409 00:18:35,824 --> 00:18:39,984 Speaker 1: and ninety cinema. Dan Akroyd plays a funeral home director. 410 00:18:40,504 --> 00:18:43,304 Speaker 1: So Vader is basically around death quite a lot, so 411 00:18:43,424 --> 00:18:45,304 Speaker 1: she sees it. She's kind of a quirky girl. Like 412 00:18:45,384 --> 00:18:49,104 Speaker 1: the charm of it is that Vader is this kind 413 00:18:49,144 --> 00:18:52,424 Speaker 1: of wise beyond her years. The commentary, the poetry, it's 414 00:18:52,424 --> 00:18:54,544 Speaker 1: a very very sweet and she has this friendship with 415 00:18:54,824 --> 00:18:59,224 Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas j played by Macaulay Culkin, and he's a 416 00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:02,144 Speaker 1: bit quieter, a bit shy, but they have this really 417 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:07,584 Speaker 1: beautiful friendship and you know, it's so innocent and sweet, 418 00:19:07,784 --> 00:19:10,944 Speaker 1: and you would know the image of them kissing for 419 00:19:11,064 --> 00:19:14,944 Speaker 1: the first time by the lake. It is so innocent, 420 00:19:15,104 --> 00:19:18,544 Speaker 1: it's nothing like It's just a really beautiful, little like 421 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:23,104 Speaker 1: young love romance. And then the big scene at the 422 00:19:23,344 --> 00:19:27,504 Speaker 1: end is he goes back to find her mood ring 423 00:19:27,544 --> 00:19:28,624 Speaker 1: because she lost her mood ring. 424 00:19:28,744 --> 00:19:31,984 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we all remember mood rings. This traumatized me 425 00:19:32,024 --> 00:19:32,624 Speaker 3: from mood rings. 426 00:19:33,544 --> 00:19:36,184 Speaker 1: He finds a bee hive and he's allergic to bees, 427 00:19:36,304 --> 00:19:41,744 Speaker 1: and he gets stung and he dies, and I can't 428 00:19:41,824 --> 00:19:44,584 Speaker 1: keep going from there anyway, my goal in nineteen ninety 429 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:46,264 Speaker 1: one traumatizing all millennials. 430 00:19:46,384 --> 00:19:47,904 Speaker 3: Yes, till the end of time. 431 00:19:47,984 --> 00:19:50,464 Speaker 2: It holds up. I watched it again recently, and it's 432 00:19:50,544 --> 00:19:53,464 Speaker 2: just such a good slice of that iconic like Americana 433 00:19:53,584 --> 00:19:57,064 Speaker 2: movie happens over summer. You've got the like love story 434 00:19:57,104 --> 00:19:59,744 Speaker 2: between Dan Akron and Jamie Lee Curtis, which is beautiful. 435 00:19:59,904 --> 00:20:01,584 Speaker 2: She's got a love story with her teacher. You would 436 00:20:01,584 --> 00:20:03,864 Speaker 2: have related to that. I related to the bees. It's 437 00:20:03,944 --> 00:20:06,224 Speaker 2: just a really my Girl too not great? Did you 438 00:20:06,344 --> 00:20:06,624 Speaker 2: watch that? 439 00:20:06,784 --> 00:20:06,824 Speaker 5: No? 440 00:20:06,984 --> 00:20:07,704 Speaker 3: I didn't. 441 00:20:07,744 --> 00:20:09,504 Speaker 2: I did. My Girl one? A perfect movie. 442 00:20:09,624 --> 00:20:13,144 Speaker 1: It was a perfect movie, but yes, absolutely traumatizing for 443 00:20:13,264 --> 00:20:18,664 Speaker 1: US millennials, but still one of the most beautiful death movies. Innocent, 444 00:20:19,384 --> 00:20:23,584 Speaker 1: sweet and Anna Champsky is just so fabulous in Yeah, 445 00:20:23,624 --> 00:20:25,104 Speaker 1: and she's eleven years old. 446 00:20:25,344 --> 00:20:28,304 Speaker 2: Yeah, Crazy Vader Sultan Fust is that the best like character. 447 00:20:28,384 --> 00:20:30,744 Speaker 3: Even Vader is such a good name, so good. 448 00:20:32,384 --> 00:20:36,184 Speaker 2: Okay, I must confess I pitched today's podcast just so 449 00:20:36,264 --> 00:20:38,624 Speaker 2: I could talk about this movie. It's one of my favorites. 450 00:20:38,664 --> 00:20:40,144 Speaker 2: I think about it all the time. I listened to 451 00:20:40,184 --> 00:20:41,984 Speaker 2: the soundtrack all the time, even though it came out 452 00:20:42,024 --> 00:20:44,744 Speaker 2: over twenty years ago, and I haven't been able to 453 00:20:44,744 --> 00:20:47,464 Speaker 2: shoehorn it into an episode until now. It is a 454 00:20:47,584 --> 00:20:48,384 Speaker 2: walk to remember. 455 00:20:48,544 --> 00:20:51,584 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought them stet up because 456 00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:54,304 Speaker 1: this was on my list too, because it was such 457 00:20:54,344 --> 00:20:58,384 Speaker 1: an iconic and early two thousands, two thousand and two 458 00:20:58,424 --> 00:21:02,424 Speaker 1: it came out, Yes, and Mandy Moore's first role, first 459 00:21:02,504 --> 00:21:03,264 Speaker 1: cinema role. 460 00:21:03,544 --> 00:21:05,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's so good in it. So it's based 461 00:21:05,384 --> 00:21:07,864 Speaker 2: on a Nicholas Spark's book, and yes, it came out 462 00:21:07,864 --> 00:21:09,264 Speaker 2: in two thousand and two, so I feel like us 463 00:21:09,344 --> 00:21:12,184 Speaker 2: that's peak like high school years, where like this kind 464 00:21:12,184 --> 00:21:15,464 Speaker 2: of a movie just destroyed you. So yes, it's Shane West, 465 00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:17,824 Speaker 2: who the director was just slipping through a magazine, saw 466 00:21:17,864 --> 00:21:19,864 Speaker 2: a picture of him and was like, this guy can 467 00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:22,064 Speaker 2: do light and shade and so anyone else, that's a 468 00:21:22,184 --> 00:21:23,944 Speaker 2: terrible way to cast the lead in a movie. For 469 00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:26,424 Speaker 2: Shane West, it was correct. He was great in that. 470 00:21:26,504 --> 00:21:29,664 Speaker 2: And yes, Mandy Moore was already a huge star in singing, 471 00:21:29,904 --> 00:21:33,104 Speaker 2: but apart from the Princess Diaries, hadn't acted before. And 472 00:21:33,264 --> 00:21:35,584 Speaker 2: so she plays a high school student called Jamie. And 473 00:21:35,744 --> 00:21:38,024 Speaker 2: she's meant to be this kind of very devout Her 474 00:21:38,064 --> 00:21:40,984 Speaker 2: father's a reverend, she's very devout Catholic. She's meant to 475 00:21:40,984 --> 00:21:43,064 Speaker 2: be kind of the mousey, shy girl at school that 476 00:21:43,304 --> 00:21:45,944 Speaker 2: no one pays attention to. And I'm sure everyone's thinking, 477 00:21:46,184 --> 00:21:49,104 Speaker 2: how could Mandy Moore be the shy, mousey girl. They 478 00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:51,464 Speaker 2: dyed a hair brown, and she wears a lot of 479 00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:54,064 Speaker 2: button up cardigans and she has a fringe, which is 480 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:55,784 Speaker 2: traumatizing to me that that was meant to make her 481 00:21:55,824 --> 00:21:57,864 Speaker 2: a loser. And she walks around with their head down 482 00:21:57,904 --> 00:21:58,184 Speaker 2: a lot. 483 00:21:58,704 --> 00:22:00,384 Speaker 1: You can't say this if you're listening to us, but 484 00:22:00,944 --> 00:22:05,664 Speaker 1: it's a lot of these very like meek I'm sort 485 00:22:05,704 --> 00:22:07,424 Speaker 1: of really sad. 486 00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:11,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, And Shane Less plays. 487 00:22:11,144 --> 00:22:13,584 Speaker 2: The boy, Yes, he plays Land and the bad boy. 488 00:22:13,944 --> 00:22:16,224 Speaker 2: What I love about the whole like making Mandy Moore, 489 00:22:16,264 --> 00:22:18,424 Speaker 2: who was like a blonde pop star singer at the time. 490 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:21,344 Speaker 2: It was like Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Mandy Moore. They 491 00:22:21,344 --> 00:22:23,704 Speaker 2: were all the sexy blonde girls who did like the 492 00:22:24,184 --> 00:22:27,464 Speaker 2: you know, catchy pop songs. The director and costume designer 493 00:22:27,544 --> 00:22:29,664 Speaker 2: have since said that they resisted the urge to put 494 00:22:29,744 --> 00:22:32,864 Speaker 2: glasses on her because they just knew and they wanted 495 00:22:32,904 --> 00:22:34,904 Speaker 2: to like those glasses you could just feel like someone 496 00:22:34,984 --> 00:22:36,984 Speaker 2: was holding them off screen. But they were like, no, 497 00:22:37,144 --> 00:22:39,824 Speaker 2: it's too much of a trope. They like, we've seen 498 00:22:39,944 --> 00:22:41,704 Speaker 2: not another teen movie. And I was like, wait, did 499 00:22:41,744 --> 00:22:43,744 Speaker 2: that come out before Walk to Remember? I guess it did. 500 00:22:43,784 --> 00:22:45,904 Speaker 2: It's very She's all that day, and they were like, 501 00:22:45,984 --> 00:22:47,424 Speaker 2: we don't want to do that thing where we put 502 00:22:47,464 --> 00:22:49,464 Speaker 2: glasses on a beautiful girl and say she's a nerd 503 00:22:49,504 --> 00:22:51,184 Speaker 2: and then when she gets some makeover, she takes them off. 504 00:22:51,464 --> 00:22:53,624 Speaker 2: So land In is yet a bit of a bad boy. 505 00:22:54,184 --> 00:22:56,704 Speaker 2: He and his friends get caught drinking and then like 506 00:22:56,784 --> 00:22:58,624 Speaker 2: there's this whole prank thing they do and one of 507 00:22:58,664 --> 00:23:01,984 Speaker 2: their friends gets injured and so as punishment, and this 508 00:23:02,064 --> 00:23:04,344 Speaker 2: is where this movie kind of almost becomes Step Up, 509 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:06,104 Speaker 2: because this is also this top bit is the plot 510 00:23:06,144 --> 00:23:09,584 Speaker 2: of Step Up, where his punishment is he gets sentenced 511 00:23:09,624 --> 00:23:12,904 Speaker 2: to do like community school help staff and so he 512 00:23:12,984 --> 00:23:14,824 Speaker 2: has to help out with the school play, which is 513 00:23:14,944 --> 00:23:16,784 Speaker 2: very step up when Channing Tatum has to be a 514 00:23:16,864 --> 00:23:18,504 Speaker 2: janitor at a school that he gets put in the 515 00:23:18,504 --> 00:23:21,384 Speaker 2: school dance recital. I love this line of punishment meaning 516 00:23:21,424 --> 00:23:22,824 Speaker 2: you have to be on stage, I. 517 00:23:22,864 --> 00:23:24,624 Speaker 3: Know, and I love that. I feel like, is this 518 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:26,504 Speaker 3: where she goes you can't fall in love with me? 519 00:23:26,744 --> 00:23:26,944 Speaker 1: Yeah? 520 00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:28,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, great. 521 00:23:28,304 --> 00:23:30,384 Speaker 3: Another trope that we see a lot in. 522 00:23:31,824 --> 00:23:34,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and it's the classic. I mean, it gets 523 00:23:34,384 --> 00:23:35,944 Speaker 2: to all the time, but it never gets old. The 524 00:23:36,024 --> 00:23:39,224 Speaker 2: bad boy meets the shy good girl and over the 525 00:23:39,304 --> 00:23:42,784 Speaker 2: course and then putting on this school play, he starts 526 00:23:42,824 --> 00:23:44,344 Speaker 2: to fall in love with her, even though she did 527 00:23:44,424 --> 00:23:46,464 Speaker 2: say don't fall in love with me. And one of 528 00:23:46,464 --> 00:23:47,864 Speaker 2: the moments he falls in love with her, and this 529 00:23:47,944 --> 00:23:50,384 Speaker 2: was my favorite moments in cinema is that no one 530 00:23:50,464 --> 00:23:52,464 Speaker 2: knows that she can sing because she's like the real quiet, 531 00:23:52,504 --> 00:23:54,704 Speaker 2: shy girl at school and everyone's like she's nothing, but 532 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:56,944 Speaker 2: obviously she is Mandy Moore and she's got a great voice. 533 00:23:56,984 --> 00:23:59,984 Speaker 2: So she comes out on stage and sings one of 534 00:24:00,024 --> 00:24:02,184 Speaker 2: the greatest songs of all time that I still listen 535 00:24:02,264 --> 00:24:30,064 Speaker 2: to to this day. We should only hope and just stunning, beautiful, 536 00:24:30,264 --> 00:24:31,864 Speaker 2: no notes. I listened to that song all the time. 537 00:24:32,064 --> 00:24:34,104 Speaker 2: She did the whole soundtrack, which is a huge thing 538 00:24:34,144 --> 00:24:37,224 Speaker 2: for the movie. So Landon and Jamie fall in love. 539 00:24:37,384 --> 00:24:40,184 Speaker 2: Obviously she's got the voice of an angel, only for 540 00:24:40,304 --> 00:24:44,144 Speaker 2: him to discover because of course she has leukemia and 541 00:24:44,224 --> 00:24:47,464 Speaker 2: she's not responding to treatment. And then he sets about 542 00:24:47,544 --> 00:24:51,024 Speaker 2: helping her fulfill all these final wishes that she had, 543 00:24:51,104 --> 00:24:53,024 Speaker 2: and the way they do it is like, really, I 544 00:24:53,064 --> 00:24:54,544 Speaker 2: don't know if this is just like fourteen year old 545 00:24:54,584 --> 00:24:55,944 Speaker 2: me talking at the time, I was like, this is 546 00:24:55,944 --> 00:24:57,424 Speaker 2: the most beautiful movie I've ever seen. 547 00:24:57,664 --> 00:24:58,464 Speaker 3: They get married. 548 00:24:58,504 --> 00:25:00,224 Speaker 2: They no, Well, that was her dream because her mom 549 00:25:00,224 --> 00:25:01,784 Speaker 2: passed away. Was her dream to get married in the 550 00:25:01,824 --> 00:25:04,264 Speaker 2: same church as hermum and dad. It was her dream 551 00:25:04,304 --> 00:25:05,944 Speaker 2: to get a tattoo, so he puts the little fake 552 00:25:05,984 --> 00:25:08,544 Speaker 2: butterfly tattoo on her. It was her dream to be 553 00:25:08,584 --> 00:25:10,264 Speaker 2: in two places at once, So he takes her to 554 00:25:10,384 --> 00:25:12,544 Speaker 2: the state line. They stand with a leg on either side. 555 00:25:12,664 --> 00:25:19,664 Speaker 2: Yeah I remember doing that between New South Wales. Yeah yeah, 556 00:25:20,464 --> 00:25:21,864 Speaker 2: I just how we all thought was like, this is 557 00:25:21,864 --> 00:25:24,984 Speaker 2: the roset romantic thing. Ever, Also, the chemistry between Shane 558 00:25:25,024 --> 00:25:27,584 Speaker 2: West and Mandy Moore is so good. They still email 559 00:25:27,664 --> 00:25:29,504 Speaker 2: to this day. I love that for them. That was 560 00:25:29,544 --> 00:25:32,144 Speaker 2: the first time she'd ever kissed a boy on screen 561 00:25:32,304 --> 00:25:36,064 Speaker 2: as well, and just yeah, their chemistry is so incredible. 562 00:25:36,184 --> 00:25:38,584 Speaker 2: And yeah, things don't go well for the character of Jamie, 563 00:25:38,664 --> 00:25:42,984 Speaker 2: but she dies really happy. There's no way to sugarcoat 564 00:25:42,984 --> 00:25:44,224 Speaker 2: the ending. You guys like this coming. 565 00:25:44,304 --> 00:25:49,384 Speaker 1: This episode is equal parts nostalgic and yeah, making me 566 00:25:49,584 --> 00:25:50,264 Speaker 1: so depressed. 567 00:25:50,264 --> 00:25:51,984 Speaker 2: It's all ending. Can I just say one thing about 568 00:25:51,984 --> 00:25:53,304 Speaker 2: the map that leads to you that I thought was 569 00:25:53,384 --> 00:25:55,984 Speaker 2: very refreshing, is that not without giving anything away, they 570 00:25:56,064 --> 00:25:59,104 Speaker 2: allude to what's coming without delving into it, so you 571 00:25:59,144 --> 00:26:01,624 Speaker 2: can go and watch that and experience the romance. I 572 00:26:01,784 --> 00:26:02,944 Speaker 2: quite like that because I was like, I don't know 573 00:26:02,984 --> 00:26:05,584 Speaker 2: how many much more I can watch one lover hold 574 00:26:05,624 --> 00:26:07,904 Speaker 2: another lover as they die, Like we see that so much, 575 00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:09,864 Speaker 2: so at least that's kind of going away. But yeah, 576 00:26:10,624 --> 00:26:12,464 Speaker 2: remember if you haven't seen it, I mean, we haven't 577 00:26:12,464 --> 00:26:14,664 Speaker 2: really spoiled it. There's so much more. Yeah, and also 578 00:26:14,904 --> 00:26:17,424 Speaker 2: you know what's coming, Like Nicholas Sparks book. 579 00:26:17,464 --> 00:26:19,544 Speaker 3: Again, these movies have come out a long time ago. 580 00:26:19,624 --> 00:26:21,744 Speaker 1: These are just kind of like our favorites and the 581 00:26:21,864 --> 00:26:24,064 Speaker 1: ones that are real tear jerkers for us, like, no 582 00:26:24,184 --> 00:26:25,784 Speaker 1: matter how many times you watch them, it is a 583 00:26:25,824 --> 00:26:29,544 Speaker 1: tear jerker exactly. Now one our producer also wanted to 584 00:26:29,584 --> 00:26:30,544 Speaker 1: bring one to the table. 585 00:26:31,104 --> 00:26:33,984 Speaker 5: I did because there's one movie that stands out to 586 00:26:34,064 --> 00:26:37,584 Speaker 5: me as my favorite by far movie in this genre 587 00:26:37,624 --> 00:26:39,344 Speaker 5: of all time, maybe one of my favorite movies of 588 00:26:39,384 --> 00:26:43,184 Speaker 5: all time. Okay, So to set the scene, Henry Golding 589 00:26:43,304 --> 00:26:46,224 Speaker 5: in his peak, fresh off of Crazy Rich Asians, that 590 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:49,224 Speaker 5: whole boom. We have Amelia Clark the year that Game 591 00:26:49,304 --> 00:26:51,944 Speaker 5: of Throne is wrapped, so two people in their prime. 592 00:26:52,664 --> 00:26:56,864 Speaker 5: We have me going into the cinema and watching a 593 00:26:56,984 --> 00:27:00,384 Speaker 5: beautiful movie in the best city in London at Christmas time, 594 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:06,064 Speaker 5: set to the soundtrack of George Michael's songs Last Christmas? 595 00:27:08,864 --> 00:27:11,104 Speaker 2: Oh you again? 596 00:27:11,344 --> 00:27:12,144 Speaker 3: What do you mean again? 597 00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:13,344 Speaker 5: Did you follow me here? 598 00:27:13,744 --> 00:27:16,264 Speaker 2: Elves always so cynical, Yes, relentlessly. 599 00:27:16,384 --> 00:27:17,464 Speaker 4: These are dark times. 600 00:27:17,984 --> 00:27:19,984 Speaker 3: I'm Tom Kate. 601 00:27:21,984 --> 00:27:24,704 Speaker 4: Christmas we are where you murder me? 602 00:27:25,024 --> 00:27:25,904 Speaker 1: So what is it that you do? 603 00:27:26,584 --> 00:27:26,984 Speaker 4: I see? 604 00:27:27,744 --> 00:27:31,264 Speaker 3: That's amazing Anyway, I'm not bored. 605 00:27:32,504 --> 00:27:37,304 Speaker 2: You are so strange. Where are you going? Well, you're 606 00:27:37,344 --> 00:27:37,904 Speaker 2: not homeless. 607 00:27:38,544 --> 00:27:39,464 Speaker 1: Look I volunteer. 608 00:27:40,504 --> 00:27:42,904 Speaker 2: Why didn't you just get Sam? Do in nor Forehead. 609 00:27:43,264 --> 00:27:46,744 Speaker 3: Yes, just now, I actually kind of liked this movie too. 610 00:27:47,104 --> 00:27:48,184 Speaker 4: Why do you sound a shame? 611 00:27:48,344 --> 00:27:50,984 Speaker 1: I do believe because it got like it was pad 612 00:27:51,184 --> 00:27:53,304 Speaker 1: and everyone was like, that's such an obvious ending. 613 00:27:53,624 --> 00:27:57,944 Speaker 3: Now let's just think about the this song last Christmas, I. 614 00:27:58,024 --> 00:27:59,024 Speaker 2: Gave you my heart. 615 00:28:00,104 --> 00:28:01,304 Speaker 3: I didn't got two and two together. 616 00:28:01,464 --> 00:28:03,424 Speaker 2: The writing is on the wall of what's gonna happen. No, 617 00:28:03,544 --> 00:28:05,744 Speaker 2: the reason that we sound a bit surprised is that 618 00:28:06,024 --> 00:28:07,944 Speaker 2: you wanted to bring this up as one of your 619 00:28:08,064 --> 00:28:11,264 Speaker 2: not just your favorite death trope romance movies, but one 620 00:28:11,304 --> 00:28:13,704 Speaker 2: of your favorite romances. And there was no argument in 621 00:28:13,744 --> 00:28:16,144 Speaker 2: the room because this is no one's favorite romance movie, 622 00:28:16,544 --> 00:28:16,944 Speaker 2: just yours. 623 00:28:17,544 --> 00:28:19,384 Speaker 4: This is weld to me because I went in there. 624 00:28:19,744 --> 00:28:21,744 Speaker 4: I was with my boyfriend at the time. We watch it. 625 00:28:21,944 --> 00:28:23,824 Speaker 4: He was a real movie buff. I came out after 626 00:28:23,904 --> 00:28:26,424 Speaker 4: and I was like, I mean, I don't. 627 00:28:26,224 --> 00:28:28,944 Speaker 5: Know if the Oscars look at movies like this kind 628 00:28:30,424 --> 00:28:32,304 Speaker 5: fantastic film, top notch. 629 00:28:32,224 --> 00:28:35,384 Speaker 4: Acting like who saw that coming? And he was like, no, 630 00:28:35,704 --> 00:28:37,304 Speaker 4: this is an average Christmas film. 631 00:28:37,824 --> 00:28:40,624 Speaker 2: Yes, so beautiful lot that you were like, guys, early 632 00:28:40,704 --> 00:28:43,224 Speaker 2: contender for the Oscars. Oscars buzz is starting and I'm 633 00:28:43,224 --> 00:28:45,664 Speaker 2: starting it here. So Amelia Klark's character, just for anyone 634 00:28:45,664 --> 00:28:48,144 Speaker 2: who doesn't know, is sort of down on her luck 635 00:28:48,344 --> 00:28:50,224 Speaker 2: and she's trying to become a musician. She's working in 636 00:28:50,264 --> 00:28:54,104 Speaker 2: a Christmas shop. She meets Henry Golding's character and I 637 00:28:54,104 --> 00:28:55,664 Speaker 2: don't know, do you want to give away the plot twist? 638 00:28:55,784 --> 00:28:56,864 Speaker 2: No one wants to watch this movie. 639 00:28:56,944 --> 00:28:59,464 Speaker 4: I mean, it was twenty nineteen, they've had time. Essentially, 640 00:28:59,624 --> 00:29:00,904 Speaker 4: she's talking to Henry Golding. 641 00:29:01,264 --> 00:29:03,184 Speaker 5: You think they're falling in love, but it turns out 642 00:29:03,264 --> 00:29:06,264 Speaker 5: he actually passed away in a car accident and he's 643 00:29:06,304 --> 00:29:07,144 Speaker 5: a ghost of sorts. 644 00:29:07,184 --> 00:29:08,864 Speaker 4: But she has had a heart transplant. 645 00:29:09,224 --> 00:29:13,384 Speaker 5: I mean, in Genie's Spotlight, she's had a heart transplant 646 00:29:13,504 --> 00:29:16,064 Speaker 5: and that's why she's seeing him and talking to him. 647 00:29:16,224 --> 00:29:18,344 Speaker 4: And there is this gorgeous line at the end of 648 00:29:18,424 --> 00:29:19,984 Speaker 4: the film. I've actually written it down just to make 649 00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:20,464 Speaker 4: sure I get it. 650 00:29:20,464 --> 00:29:23,664 Speaker 5: Exactly right for the fans, where he says take care 651 00:29:23,704 --> 00:29:26,104 Speaker 5: of my heart, which is after she realizes that he's 652 00:29:26,104 --> 00:29:28,304 Speaker 5: a ghost, and she says, I promise, and he says 653 00:29:28,864 --> 00:29:30,904 Speaker 5: it was always going to be yours one way or another. 654 00:29:31,464 --> 00:29:37,104 Speaker 3: Okay. So the reason I actually did enjoy this movie. 655 00:29:37,144 --> 00:29:40,024 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it my favorite, but I didn't hate 656 00:29:40,064 --> 00:29:43,064 Speaker 1: it as much as everybody else seemed to the reason 657 00:29:43,144 --> 00:29:45,104 Speaker 1: I liked it is because have you ever seen those 658 00:29:45,264 --> 00:29:48,864 Speaker 1: videos where someone's had like a heart transplant or something, 659 00:29:49,024 --> 00:29:52,904 Speaker 1: and the people who have lost their child or partner 660 00:29:53,464 --> 00:29:56,224 Speaker 1: will put like a stepthoscope and listen to the heartbeat 661 00:29:56,304 --> 00:29:59,264 Speaker 1: in the transplanted patient. Like That's why it got me, 662 00:30:00,144 --> 00:30:03,584 Speaker 1: because that obviously is just still really emotional for a 663 00:30:03,624 --> 00:30:05,584 Speaker 1: lot of families, and you see them bailing their eyes 664 00:30:05,584 --> 00:30:08,304 Speaker 1: out because they can still hear their loved ones heart beating. 665 00:30:09,664 --> 00:30:14,184 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it could also be the brilliant thing, Oh 666 00:30:14,464 --> 00:30:15,304 Speaker 4: oh my god, I have. 667 00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:18,464 Speaker 3: Made both of you with tears in your eyes today, 668 00:30:18,664 --> 00:30:19,344 Speaker 3: we're just shining. 669 00:30:19,544 --> 00:30:21,464 Speaker 2: It could be the brilliant scripting and acting that got 670 00:30:21,464 --> 00:30:25,864 Speaker 2: you not Just can I just say I don't hate 671 00:30:25,904 --> 00:30:27,784 Speaker 2: this movie. I went to the cinema with an open 672 00:30:27,864 --> 00:30:29,464 Speaker 2: mind to watch it, but I just think the build 673 00:30:29,544 --> 00:30:32,384 Speaker 2: up had been so intense because, like you're saying, Henry Golding, 674 00:30:32,544 --> 00:30:34,264 Speaker 2: harsh of you to say before at his prime, as 675 00:30:34,264 --> 00:30:36,624 Speaker 2: if he's not now, Henry Golding could have burned for 676 00:30:36,664 --> 00:30:40,344 Speaker 2: Henry Henry Golding, Amelia Clark. Everyone was so obsessed to 677 00:30:40,344 --> 00:30:42,944 Speaker 2: see them. The Love Story also directed by Paul fag 678 00:30:43,024 --> 00:30:45,584 Speaker 2: who is the director who's done so many incredible movies 679 00:30:45,624 --> 00:30:47,664 Speaker 2: like Bridesmaids. I interviewed him when he came to a 680 00:30:47,704 --> 00:30:51,104 Speaker 2: story about this movie, and he's such a brilliant man. 681 00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:53,664 Speaker 2: So like, I didn't hate it. It just doesn't make 682 00:30:53,704 --> 00:30:55,984 Speaker 2: my list of top romance movies. I want them to 683 00:30:56,024 --> 00:30:58,264 Speaker 2: be in another rongcom because I had good chemistry. 684 00:30:58,664 --> 00:30:59,744 Speaker 4: They had great chemistry. 685 00:30:59,864 --> 00:31:02,904 Speaker 2: Dude, it's dead and his heart beats within her, and 686 00:31:03,344 --> 00:31:05,184 Speaker 2: every time they cut to the hospital scenes, I was like, 687 00:31:05,224 --> 00:31:06,384 Speaker 2: I just don't know if this is what I wanted 688 00:31:06,424 --> 00:31:08,584 Speaker 2: in a Christmas rom com because everyone thought Carl was 689 00:31:08,624 --> 00:31:09,424 Speaker 2: calling this the New Love. 690 00:31:09,464 --> 00:31:12,704 Speaker 4: Actually, we do complain about things being too samey. 691 00:31:13,744 --> 00:31:17,624 Speaker 2: He's not alive. Let you down what twist? 692 00:31:17,984 --> 00:31:19,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I know a lot of 693 00:31:19,424 --> 00:31:22,864 Speaker 1: people were very like, that is so obvious, guys, you 694 00:31:23,024 --> 00:31:23,864 Speaker 1: really need to do that. 695 00:31:23,984 --> 00:31:26,144 Speaker 3: But I kind of like I was okay with it, 696 00:31:26,264 --> 00:31:28,064 Speaker 3: and for some reason, I still was shocked. 697 00:31:28,064 --> 00:31:30,504 Speaker 2: I just watching it being like that dude is a 698 00:31:30,544 --> 00:31:35,624 Speaker 2: ghost down the road because he's started floating. Didn't know 699 00:31:35,864 --> 00:31:37,584 Speaker 2: he's just like the way, like no one else was 700 00:31:37,704 --> 00:31:40,104 Speaker 2: acknowledging him when he was around. She only saw him 701 00:31:40,104 --> 00:31:42,864 Speaker 2: at certain times. He never touched anything in the apartment. 702 00:31:43,184 --> 00:31:46,864 Speaker 2: But what it was, I know, I was like putting 703 00:31:46,904 --> 00:31:49,424 Speaker 2: together the twist. But then at one stage I was like, 704 00:31:49,504 --> 00:31:51,984 Speaker 2: please don't tell me that she has his heart. That's 705 00:31:52,064 --> 00:31:54,704 Speaker 2: so not what I wanted in this moment. And then 706 00:31:54,944 --> 00:31:57,464 Speaker 2: it became clear through like a montage with the heartbeat, 707 00:31:57,504 --> 00:31:59,744 Speaker 2: that she in fact had been the recipient of his heart, 708 00:31:59,784 --> 00:32:01,304 Speaker 2: and I was like, I just can't get around it. 709 00:32:01,704 --> 00:32:02,544 Speaker 2: I can't get around it. 710 00:32:03,384 --> 00:32:05,544 Speaker 5: Beautiful, I remember at the time because it was just 711 00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:08,264 Speaker 5: literally my favorite movie, Rolling Stones for out of think 712 00:32:08,264 --> 00:32:10,624 Speaker 5: about how it should have been this beautiful holiday rom 713 00:32:10,664 --> 00:32:13,744 Speaker 5: common and then they called it a flaming tinseled disaster, 714 00:32:13,984 --> 00:32:14,504 Speaker 5: and I've. 715 00:32:14,384 --> 00:32:16,304 Speaker 4: Never felt so upset at Rolling Stones. 716 00:32:16,344 --> 00:32:17,704 Speaker 2: I was like, how could they feel? Like? 717 00:32:17,904 --> 00:32:20,224 Speaker 4: How have they seen something so different to what I've seen? 718 00:32:20,384 --> 00:32:23,384 Speaker 3: But anyway, so the opposite of Oscars was but enjoyable. 719 00:32:23,464 --> 00:32:25,544 Speaker 4: Nonetheless, maybe like a Razzie or something. 720 00:32:25,704 --> 00:32:28,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was nominated, But that's okay, you 721 00:32:28,824 --> 00:32:31,664 Speaker 2: keep going with your movie recommendation. 722 00:32:32,064 --> 00:32:33,544 Speaker 4: No, that's okay. I'll leave it there. 723 00:32:33,584 --> 00:32:35,184 Speaker 5: Guys, I feel like I've said all that can be 724 00:32:35,224 --> 00:32:36,464 Speaker 5: said about last Christmas. 725 00:32:36,584 --> 00:32:37,184 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. 726 00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:39,984 Speaker 1: Okay, So if you need a good cry you see, 727 00:32:39,984 --> 00:32:42,944 Speaker 1: to get some of those emotions out. Those are our favorites. 728 00:32:42,984 --> 00:32:48,744 Speaker 1: There's obviously lots more, some involving like tuberculosis, mul and rouge. 729 00:32:48,904 --> 00:32:52,744 Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful story we've got, you know, Titanic with the door. 730 00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:56,784 Speaker 2: I don't know what we have time to get to 731 00:32:56,864 --> 00:32:58,024 Speaker 2: it now, but I think that's a story. 732 00:32:58,424 --> 00:33:00,744 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, fine, okay, but yeah, there's lots of 733 00:33:00,824 --> 00:33:02,424 Speaker 1: other ones, but those are some of our faces. 734 00:33:03,104 --> 00:33:05,384 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 735 00:33:05,464 --> 00:33:08,544 Speaker 1: Guys, do not forget to follow the Spill on TikTok 736 00:33:08,624 --> 00:33:11,384 Speaker 1: and Instagram or you post lots of fun things and 737 00:33:11,504 --> 00:33:13,744 Speaker 1: you can maybe see us cry today if you're into 738 00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:16,624 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Spill is produced by Miniesia. It's 739 00:33:16,704 --> 00:33:20,184 Speaker 1: Warren with sound production by Leah Bodgers. We will see 740 00:33:20,224 --> 00:33:23,624 Speaker 1: you guys back here on Monday at eight am for 741 00:33:23,744 --> 00:33:26,864 Speaker 1: morning Tea and then at three pm for the spell. 742 00:33:27,024 --> 00:33:27,784 Speaker 3: Bye Bye 743 00:33:29,664 --> 00:33:29,704 Speaker 2: N