WEBVTT - Barnaby’s 'Imaginary' Dog & You Can't Get Into This Club

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome Tomoma Mia out loud, out louders. It is what

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<v Speaker 1>women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the twenty second

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<v Speaker 1>of July. And my name is Hollyway right, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Amelia Lasto and my name is even And here's

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<v Speaker 1>what's on our agenda for today, Shit skirts and bin faces.

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<v Speaker 1>The UK has a new PM and I have a

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<v Speaker 1>very quick cheat sheet.

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<v Speaker 2>For an intro, plus how to get into the most

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<v Speaker 2>exclusive club in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>And why women are raising twenty years off of their career.

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<v Speaker 1>But first, in case you missed it, Emily Vernon.

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<v Speaker 3>In case you miss it, Australian politics have given us

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<v Speaker 3>a tiny gold nugget of something that doesn't really have

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<v Speaker 3>much to do with politics at all. So earlier this week,

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<v Speaker 3>politician and Member of One Nation Barnaby Joyce was being

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<v Speaker 3>interviewed by the ABC. He was dialing in remotely outside

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<v Speaker 3>of his home in New South Wales and he was

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<v Speaker 3>answering questions about his leaders Pauline Hansen's alleged European working holiday.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems to me, Barnaby Joyce, that your decision to

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<v Speaker 5>defect to One Nation is dragging you further into a

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<v Speaker 5>place of intolerance and racial discrimination. You're defending your leader,

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<v Speaker 5>but are you really comfortable with where she is taking you?

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<v Speaker 6>I think.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, it's a dog.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a dog.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Barnaby's got form when it comes to dogs. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember back in twenty seventeen, he was Deputy Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>at the time and Johnny Depp bought his dogs Pistol

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<v Speaker 2>and Boo. These were the dogs he shed with Amber

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<v Speaker 2>heard to Australia and then Barnaby, well, Barnaby issued a threat.

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<v Speaker 9>Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 6>It comes to the next issue, which is a gentleman

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<v Speaker 6>by the name of John Christopher Depp, and he has

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<v Speaker 6>decided to bring into our nation two dogs without actually

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<v Speaker 6>getting the proper certification and the proper permits required. Basically

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<v Speaker 6>looks like he snuck them in. Now mister deb has

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<v Speaker 6>to either take his dogs back to California or we're

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<v Speaker 6>gonna have to euthanize them.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember he threatened Pistol and Blit Boo. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal.

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<v Speaker 9>That's such a rec threat to the dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave him something like forty eight hours and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't get them out in forty eight hours,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what you're suggesting that Barnaby is no friend to

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<v Speaker 1>the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it doesn't sound like it, though, I will

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<v Speaker 2>say Barnaby said today apparently the dog's name is Stella.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a little dog and like a young dog. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the size of Stella because no photos have

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<v Speaker 2>been released of Stella. But he says that Stella still

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<v Speaker 2>loves him, So make of that what you will.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this because two things. I love the way

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to Sarah Ferguson. It's a dog like because

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<v Speaker 1>he does have two small children in the house.

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<v Speaker 9>He's like, we can't have any.

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<v Speaker 7>Confusion about that.

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<v Speaker 1>A dog, it's But then the other thing I love

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<v Speaker 1>is what's unfolded in the two days since this, and

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<v Speaker 1>is like, you wouldn't yell at a city cavoodle like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can yell at a country dog like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So really Barnaby is being true blue.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also a little bit interesting slash coincidental that Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>Ferguson no one for her tough questions ramps up to

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest question of the interview, which is why you

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<v Speaker 2>aligned with Pauline Hanson when she's getting ever more extreme

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<v Speaker 2>in her policies, and at that very moment, poor little

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<v Speaker 2>Stella happens to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>So your other thesis is that maybe Stella was imaginary

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<v Speaker 1>at this point.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, we need bought him sometime.

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<v Speaker 1>Distraction tactic, bring the dog in.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to hear from Stella. Actually, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>know what went down.

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<v Speaker 1>Every gardener was once just a girl standing in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a scary nightclub bouncer asking to be allowed into

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<v Speaker 1>a very cool clubs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Holly, that makes me want to give young you

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true, it's true. We've all been there, worried that

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<v Speaker 1>their inherent uncoolness is somehow on blatant display, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere hidden in your haircut, or your shoes or the

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<v Speaker 1>jacket that you put on because it was cold. But

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<v Speaker 1>clearly that doesn't matter. Look, we've all been there, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I love this story in the Financial Times

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<v Speaker 1>about a woman, well, a writer called Anne Sylvain Chissan.

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<v Speaker 1>She was trying to get into arguably the world's coolest club.

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<v Speaker 1>Right it's called Bergaine. Oh yeah, and it's in Berlin.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>The amount of people who I know who have traveled

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<v Speaker 3>to Berlin and have tried to get into it is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it won't surprise you to know, or maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>will that I'm not deep in club culture anymore, but

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<v Speaker 1>even I know that Berlin has the coolest clubs right

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<v Speaker 1>and that this is the coolest of them. It inspired

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<v Speaker 1>the Berlin club scene, including Bergaine, inspired all of my

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<v Speaker 1>friend Harry Styles new record CHALAMAI goes there. Lots of

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<v Speaker 1>people go there. The door policy is famously brutal. So

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<v Speaker 1>our writer friend Anne, she tried and tries. She studies

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<v Speaker 1>the law, she reads the history of the place. She

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<v Speaker 1>knows who the bouncer is. He's very famous, very scary

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<v Speaker 1>looking guy with a lot of facial period.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's anything that is super cool, it is doing homework.

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<v Speaker 9>So I'm so glad that she approach.

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<v Speaker 1>The bouncer like the door policeman is called Sven Marquant

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<v Speaker 1>and he has a face full of piercings and no

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<v Speaker 1>fucks to give. That is truth. So he stands on

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<v Speaker 1>the door and he says the words we've all heard,

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<v Speaker 1>not tonight.

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<v Speaker 9>Ladies, except in German, which is even more terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, she tries and tries, and then it's a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hour club, this one, right, So sometimes she tries

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<v Speaker 1>at eight am, sometimes she tries at six pm, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>she tries at ten pm, and then eventually she gets in.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to know what made the difference to

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<v Speaker 1>her getting She took off all her makeup.

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<v Speaker 4>Smart.

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<v Speaker 1>I scrubbed off every trace of makeup, convinced my deal

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<v Speaker 1>lipstick had betrayed me? Amelia? Are you going bear faith

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this club?

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<v Speaker 2>So this will probably surprise no one. I have literally

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<v Speaker 2>never stood in a nightclub.

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<v Speaker 9>Line? Is that because she just I've never been to

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<v Speaker 9>a nightclub. I don't even know what happens at them.

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<v Speaker 3>You've never been never.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, goodness, New York City.

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<v Speaker 9>Even when I was sang in New York City and

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<v Speaker 9>have a cocktail then I go home.

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<v Speaker 3>So all your pairs of shoes must be so clean?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes?

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<v Speaker 9>Is that what happens in clubs?

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<v Speaker 1>Stick anyway? Okay, you've never known a Look.

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<v Speaker 2>Here here's my sort of angle on this and why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with this story. And it's because Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get into this club, and people think that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he went crazy.

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<v Speaker 9>What let me explain. There's a big investigation about this,

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<v Speaker 9>I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To let him into my club.

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<v Speaker 4>Either.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair I was, I'd be like, sorry, love

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<v Speaker 1>not tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>That So in twenty twenty two, Elon Musk goes to

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<v Speaker 2>Berlin because he's opening a new Tesla factory in Germany.

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<v Speaker 9>He's the world's richest man this point.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes obviously to Bergan Bergaine and he says, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to get in, and then he claims that he

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<v Speaker 2>left the line because the word piece was written on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside wall, and he famously hates the word piece

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<v Speaker 2>and it drove him into such a rage that he

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<v Speaker 2>left the line.

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<v Speaker 9>That is his story.

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<v Speaker 1>One second, he hates the word piece, like.

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<v Speaker 9>Who hates the word.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Bergaine declined to comment on whether they did

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<v Speaker 2>or did not refuse him entry, but on Reddit some

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<v Speaker 2>musers said they did get him see him get turned

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<v Speaker 2>away by none other than Spend Mark Quat himself and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm famous obsessed with Spen, the famous bouncer who was

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<v Speaker 2>very lavishly pierced. Anyway, it seems there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why people think he didn't get in. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear them. So the first one is that he

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<v Speaker 2>went at the worst possible time. A Vice writer named

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Fields has written that any crash course in Berlin

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<v Speaker 2>nightlife will start with a lesson on peak hours. People

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<v Speaker 2>in America, probably people in Australia who think Friday and

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday nights at the regular time to go to a club.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh no, no, no, it's not when the cool people

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<v Speaker 9>very touristy.

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<v Speaker 2>Any time between ten pm and six or seven am.

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<v Speaker 9>It's just hopelessly touristy. Forget about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Another reason, well, see Harry and Zelle in there at

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<v Speaker 1>that time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's the seriously going at like two o'clock after

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<v Speaker 2>for the people with the vodka.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh day, drinking.

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<v Speaker 9>Gives me a headache. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Another reason could be because he was dressed pretty casually,

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<v Speaker 2>as people said, look, you've never seen him in anything

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<v Speaker 2>other than basically a T shirt and jeans, And as

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<v Speaker 2>this Vice investigation pointed out, the most casually dressed person

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of that club on a recent night was

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<v Speaker 2>wearing a leather trench coat and had dyed blue hair.

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<v Speaker 2>So it could be that he just wasn't dressed very well,

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<v Speaker 2>not in blin. The third reason is.

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<v Speaker 9>That he doesn't give off the right vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>Sven is all about the vibe check and a university

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<v Speaker 2>mate of Masks has said he's very straightly, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like to drink, and then here's a quote from him.

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<v Speaker 9>There were some nights where I'd be like, where's Elon?

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<v Speaker 2>And I go up to his room and pound on

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<v Speaker 2>the door and he's in there alone playing a video game.

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<v Speaker 1>What's with the makeup?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>So because Elon probably wasn't wearing makeup and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work for him, why are you cooler without makeup?

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<v Speaker 3>I think you have to look like you're part of

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<v Speaker 3>the vibe. So my TikTok feed is completely filled with

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<v Speaker 3>videos of people teaching other people on how to get

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<v Speaker 3>into this nightclub. I found a video from a TikToker.

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<v Speaker 3>Her TikToker name is Mayor Abroad and she's an American

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<v Speaker 3>who's been living in Berlin since twenty eighteen, and she

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<v Speaker 3>posted a video that now has over two million views

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<v Speaker 3>because it's has step by step guide on how to

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<v Speaker 3>get into night club.

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<v Speaker 4>I need you guys listen to this.

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<v Speaker 11>How to actually get into Berkhein. Here's the ultimate guide.

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<v Speaker 11>First and foremost, if you're a tourist who doesn't even

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<v Speaker 11>like techno and isn't interested in the music one bit. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 11>don't even try going here. If you just want to

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<v Speaker 11>have a crazy time. You don't have a clue. The

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<v Speaker 11>bouncer is gonna smell that shit from a mile away,

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<v Speaker 11>and if you don't fit the vibe and the party,

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<v Speaker 11>they're not gonna want you there. So if you're actually

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<v Speaker 11>into techno and you're up for the challenge, the first

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<v Speaker 11>thing you got to nail is your outfit. As you

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<v Speaker 11>probably know by now, you should wear all blacks, stay

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<v Speaker 11>away from name brands, anything that doesn't fit the grungy vibe.

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<v Speaker 11>I'd recommend wearing something mesh like bra tops, harnesses, a

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<v Speaker 11>grunge skirt or shorts. You can never go wrong with chains.

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<v Speaker 11>For makeup, go with dark eyeliner and eyeshadow and try

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<v Speaker 11>to slick your hair back with gel.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, this sounds like.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's getting hair is maybe you nineteen eighties tongue.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just like matrix, like just go as

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<v Speaker 3>like someone vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very like techno serious right like? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly very much what.

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<v Speaker 9>If it's a cold Berlin can get very.

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<v Speaker 1>In the cold, but let the trench coat yeah, or

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe a black passage.

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<v Speaker 9>I got one of those, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>You feel the colt, you're there for techno dancing. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't feel the trench. I do, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know you're up in the north of England

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<v Speaker 1>standing in nightclub queues in minus five while wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>bra top. It's in my DNA.

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<v Speaker 7>It's because you just have to drink.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot so you don't feel anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And again there's drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>But the top comment from this video was also another

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<v Speaker 3>suggestion that said the best method is to wear a backpack.

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<v Speaker 3>The bouncer sees it and knows you're the type to

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<v Speaker 3>stay long. Throw an extra outfit and self care products too.

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<v Speaker 3>I got in that way.

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<v Speaker 9>Wow, wow, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad these days are behind me. I just

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<v Speaker 1>remember the anxiety of standing in a queue for a

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<v Speaker 1>really long time and then getting to the front and

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing their eyes and you're like, you're like, I

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<v Speaker 1>know if you don't have to say, or even worse,

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<v Speaker 1>your friends get in and you Doug oh, Harry Styles

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<v Speaker 1>gets in and you like that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is some real news I can use. So basically,

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<v Speaker 2>no makeup, leather trench, mesh, bra top and gel that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you're going to wear to the next out loud recording.

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<v Speaker 9>Honestly, we might let you in.

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<v Speaker 1>What I've just been told by our producer is that

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<v Speaker 1>we're also on call the We've been saying the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the club wrong all the way through.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually called Bergheim. I'm really then, We're so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>In a moment, Britain has a new Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 2>Holly is excited about it. A shit suit update.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi louders, it's meya here.

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<v Speaker 8>I recorded our scurelous Gossip Tuesday subscriber episode with em

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<v Speaker 8>and Holly. We talked about the coolest wedding of the

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<v Speaker 8>year that you weren't invited to that wasn't Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 8>because maybe you went to that a lot of people did.

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<v Speaker 8>We also spoke about j Lo's very passive, aggressive heavenly

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<v Speaker 8>photo dump to celebrate her fifty seventh birthday and how

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<v Speaker 8>her sister might feel about that.

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<v Speaker 7>So much more Gossip. There's a link in the show

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<v Speaker 7>notes Got it in your ears?

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<v Speaker 2>Britain has its seventh Prime minister since twenty sixteen. Andy

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<v Speaker 2>Burnham has vowed to bring back hope to the country

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<v Speaker 2>in a speech delivered controversially without a turned outside Number

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<v Speaker 2>ten Downing Street yesterday.

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<v Speaker 12>I know people at home are fed up with politics.

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<v Speaker 12>I hear you, and I want to be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 12>We have not been good enough and we need to

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<v Speaker 12>be better. We will be We will make this moment

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<v Speaker 12>a circuit breaker for Britain.

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<v Speaker 9>Holly.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that it's cool that he didn't use a

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<v Speaker 2>elect turn, and I know that you love his northern accent.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, he looks largely like the last man

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<v Speaker 2>who was Prime Minister. So I'm not getting the hype

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<v Speaker 2>about why he's the second coming. You got to explain

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<v Speaker 2>it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>How very dare you, really, Lester? How very dare you

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that this middle aged white man is not massively

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<v Speaker 1>different from the last middle aged white man.

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<v Speaker 2>They both have glasses. Neither of them will get in

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<v Speaker 2>at Bergheim?

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<v Speaker 9>What is the differen though?

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<v Speaker 1>Burnham might get into Bergheim because he is the cool

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<v Speaker 1>he is the INDIEPM. Right, he's from Manchester. The man

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<v Speaker 1>has stood in a few nightclub lines in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>We know this about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know, because he got rid of hot

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<v Speaker 3>left turn guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well here's the first. So this is interesting because so

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Burnham. We talked about this briefly a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was the mayor of Manchester, Right's may and

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<v Speaker 1>Manchesters for quite a long time. Popular mayor seem to

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<v Speaker 1>do quite a lot of good stuff, think Mam Darmi,

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<v Speaker 1>but not quite as radical, right, but think about like

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<v Speaker 1>the enthusiasm for a local mayor who actually appears to

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<v Speaker 1>do the other thing he has in common with Mam Danny.

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<v Speaker 1>Mam Darmi is very good on social media, a great communicator,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit cringe sometimes, but gives it a red

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<v Speaker 1>hot go. The opposite of the politicians who are all

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<v Speaker 1>really afraid of it and don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Wat is he like sitting in his car putting on

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<v Speaker 2>his lip liners saying like today in Manchester.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very like that. Actually he did his first few days.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, back to the lectern for a minute before

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<v Speaker 1>I get to that. So it's rare that he put

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<v Speaker 1>a foot wrong, which he did by doing away with

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<v Speaker 1>hot Legtern.

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<v Speaker 9>Guys who was hot Leg turn?

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<v Speaker 1>So what because so Britain's had seven prime ministers since breaksit,

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<v Speaker 1>so in ten years that's a lot. I mean, Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>we feel the pain. We went through a period of

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<v Speaker 1>that ourselves. But every time we knew that a prime

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<v Speaker 1>minister was about to resign or was about to take

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<v Speaker 1>the job outside Number ten, first of all, the cat

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<v Speaker 1>would walk out and walk around a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>be like like something's going on here today, and there'd

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<v Speaker 1>be lots of social media about that. And then this

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<v Speaker 1>hot young man would wheel out electorn and put it

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<v Speaker 1>in place and set up the mics and stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>he became so familiar to the British problem because of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Constant turnover a prime minister and recognize his bicepter.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that Burnham so as I say, Burnham

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<v Speaker 1>is social social media savvy, and I think he was

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not having that guy stealing my thunder.

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<v Speaker 9>On my big day, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's been through a lot to get here, Burnham,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was the mayor of Manchester, he wasn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>a sitting member of Parliament. And obviously you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be wont to be prime minister. But the previous Prime minister, Kirstarma,

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<v Speaker 1>had become so unpopular that it became obvious that if

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<v Speaker 1>Labor wants to hold onto anything, you know, long term,

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to have to swap him out and

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<v Speaker 1>roll the lectern and.

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<v Speaker 4>The cat out again.

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<v Speaker 1>So Burnham had to have a bi election in Manchester

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<v Speaker 1>just to become an MP, but he won it resoundingly.

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<v Speaker 4>That was great.

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<v Speaker 1>So now he's come down to London. I'm his train

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<v Speaker 1>with his big boy pants and he's standing. He's like

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<v Speaker 1>he is now prime Minister. The ways that he's different

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<v Speaker 1>might be subtle to you, Amelia, but to Brits who

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<v Speaker 1>are very finely tuned to these things, his accent is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. He is the first Prime minister to

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<v Speaker 1>have a Northern English accent in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>The last prime minister to have a Northern English accent

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<v Speaker 1>was in the nineteen seventies. So think about like that

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<v Speaker 1>might not sound like a big deal, but if you think,

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<v Speaker 1>even here in Australia at the minute, how much of

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<v Speaker 1>how much it's becoming a thing about like powers so centralized.

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<v Speaker 1>No one cares about the regions, No one cares about

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere except the big city elites. And in they're not

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<v Speaker 1>comparable parable countries because the populations are so different. But

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<v Speaker 1>in Britain that's.

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<v Speaker 4>A big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the London elites are a big deal, right, think

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that out of the fifty nine prime

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<v Speaker 1>ministers Briton's ever had, twenty of them went to the

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<v Speaker 1>same private school they went to eat where Prince William,

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Harry goes. Right, So this is a state educated

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<v Speaker 1>Northern English dude who knows how to use a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna get to that minute, and that seems like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>it's He also generally doesn't wear a suit. We were

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this the other week. He wears a T

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<v Speaker 1>shirt and a jacket and he thinks he's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But interestingly he was wearing this Why is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>the shit suit to wear?

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<v Speaker 8>Of it?

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that it's the suit that your mum

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<v Speaker 3>puts you in for school photo day.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like is and you can tell it's part of

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<v Speaker 1>his charm that he's a little bit uncomfortable in the

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<v Speaker 1>suit because he's just a bloke. He's just a bloke

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<v Speaker 1>like you, you know. And it's funny because there are

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<v Speaker 1>lots of videos on his socials that are showing how

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<v Speaker 1>hard he's working. He's doing interviews with YouTubers where they're

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<v Speaker 1>standing on ladders and then he's doing quick fire questions

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and a lot of people are kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>are you running the country? Are you making content? But

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<v Speaker 1>those people don't understand what we're dealing with now, So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of there's a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>You're giving the energy of going into the comments and

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<v Speaker 2>responding to every single comment. That's like he's not working

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<v Speaker 2>hard enough, saying you don't understand.

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<v Speaker 9>He's the king of the Lord exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>King of the norm. He's got this cheerful, happy, worry

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<v Speaker 1>vibe even as he knifed all of kar Starbus supporters

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<v Speaker 1>and throw them out the door and said, you're out

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<v Speaker 1>of a job.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm bringing in my guys now.

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<v Speaker 9>But it's but peace and love.

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<v Speaker 1>So look, we'll see what happens. One of the first

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<v Speaker 1>things he's doing that's upsetting a lot of people is

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<v Speaker 1>is is saying yes to a lot of coal and gas,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not very cool. But the other thing he

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<v Speaker 1>is doing, which is very smart, and I think like

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<v Speaker 1>Albow's probably watching Burnham a bit and taking some notes

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<v Speaker 1>on the back of his hand, like that is he

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<v Speaker 1>said that his government has one focus, one focus only,

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<v Speaker 1>which is cost of living. He's like, we are a

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<v Speaker 1>one issue government, which is very smart to say, but

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to pull off, so we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm really happy for this guy.

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<v Speaker 9>I hope it works that well for him.

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<v Speaker 3>There is only, however, one British politician that I care about.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is bin Face, no idea.

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<v Speaker 7>What he looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we done with him because I'm not ready to

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<v Speaker 3>let him go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not done with him, but we probably have another

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<v Speaker 1>chance to talk about him because the buyers. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit weedy, right, but we all know who Nigel Farage is.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the leader of Reform, which is like the

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<v Speaker 1>one Nation just for you, and he's recently gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of trouble because he seems to have been taking

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars from like slightly shady sources and not

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<v Speaker 1>declaring us sing where it's going, and so parliamentary inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>is being set up into how Reform is being funded,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of playing along with it, he said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna quit. I'm throwing my toes out of the pram

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna see if my electric care about the

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollars or not. I'm going to stand in

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<v Speaker 1>a by election. And all the other parties said this

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<v Speaker 1>is bullshit. We're not going to stand against you. And

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<v Speaker 1>Count bin Faith, who is the man who's always standing

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<v Speaker 1>on the podium whenever anyone wins an election. He's a comedian.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, well, I'll run against you. So the Clacton

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<v Speaker 1>by election is in August and it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Farage and bin Face and a couple of other comedy candidates,

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<v Speaker 1>including an ossie who's just decided to throw his hat

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<v Speaker 1>in the ring and say why not.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see there was an article i think in

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<v Speaker 2>the Guardian like interviewing acquaintances of Count bin Face, and

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<v Speaker 2>someone was like, he takes it very seriously, like he's

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<v Speaker 2>that guy who comes to the pub and won't get

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<v Speaker 2>out of character.

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<v Speaker 9>Like he's like, please address me as mister bin Face.

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<v Speaker 1>His policies include I will build one affordable house.

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<v Speaker 2>No and also another key thing cheap croissants, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think we can all get on board.

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<v Speaker 1>With one pound limit on croissants. And he thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>Adele should be nationalized. There you go, UK politics sorted.

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<v Speaker 7>In a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>The powerful people who insist on not using smartphones and

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<v Speaker 1>the woman behind them ordering the uber. It's the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>creative flex. Actually, when I was in Tazzy, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that when I was in Tazzy has become one of

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<v Speaker 1>my like drink statements. Lately, I was at the very

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<v Speaker 1>cool Mona Museum and I was standing in a queue

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the ferry back behind Daniel John's. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the coolest creatives Australia has ever produced. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a couldn't, couldn't used to, couldn't the.

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<v Speaker 9>Boat because he famously does with makeup.

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<v Speaker 1>He would definitely get into the gain. He would definitely

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<v Speaker 1>get in anyway. He couldn't zap onto the boat because

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have a smartphone. Right, and fellow creative genius

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Nolan knows Daniel Johns's pain. He might be the

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<v Speaker 1>man who's just brought them is back to the cinema.

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<v Speaker 1>Parent that movie that you like, Odyssey is enormous. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like Billions anyway. Whatever he Christopher Nolan who made that,

0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 1>he can't scan his boarding pass at the airport. He

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<v Speaker 1>can make a genius movie, but he can't do that

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<v Speaker 1>because he has no smartphone. Ed Shearon doesn't have a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots and lots of people is the flex now to

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<v Speaker 1>be I'm not going to be distracted by all that

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<v Speaker 1>we've done a bit about air pods. We all know

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<v Speaker 1>what the what the phone's doing to us. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. Modern life demands a smartphone much of the time.

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<v Speaker 9>How does Christopher Nolan pay for parking?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean, order himself a burrito? Like anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're not buying in, someone who hangs around

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<v Speaker 1>you probably is buying in.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're a Christopher Nolan or an Ed Shearing,

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<v Speaker 1>you've probably got an assistant who's got a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, when Daniel Johns couldn't get on the boat,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a mate who was with him. Who and

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<v Speaker 1>as Is Ansari, who is the American comedian gave an

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<v Speaker 1>interview recently saying, well a couple actually saying that he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a smartphone, but revealing who in his life does.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a little bit of him on the THEO von Pod.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't keep a smartphone on me. I don't. I

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<v Speaker 13>blocked all shit on the Internet. I don't really use

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<v Speaker 13>the internet. So sometimes I'll just ask my wife's stuff

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<v Speaker 13>the same way you're asking this guy, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 13>you know, I'm not the Internet.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm your wife.

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<v Speaker 13>I've gotten lost and had to call her and been like, hey,

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<v Speaker 13>where where?

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<v Speaker 9>This sounds very annoying.

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<v Speaker 1>See what I mean? A lot of times I'll ask

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<v Speaker 1>her stuff, he says. Sometimes I'll be walking around and

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<v Speaker 1>I just got to call my wife and ask her

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<v Speaker 1>for directions. I'm like, I'm here, how do I get there?

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<v Speaker 1>And she'll help me out.

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<v Speaker 9>Do you know who asked me to google things on

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<v Speaker 9>the internet? My eight year old? I think that's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, right?

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<v Speaker 1>So he was Andrew Barrymore's talk show talking about this too,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was saying, yeah, I'm trying to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of my phone, and they were all bonding about their

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<v Speaker 1>flip phones and it's the coolest thing in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah. But em is it possible to live in

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<v Speaker 1>the world without a smartphone and not hand over all

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<v Speaker 1>that labor to somebody else?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not. The only people who can do this are

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<v Speaker 3>literally the elite, like the celebrities or the celebrities. I

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<v Speaker 3>actually do know a few people. They're not my friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Their friends are friends people who don't have smartphones. But

0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 3>it's like a friend's partner. And it's interesting because I

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<v Speaker 3>always thought that was the ultimate flex is having a

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<v Speaker 3>partner who doesn't have a smartphone. Because then you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to worry about like their presence on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>But then when I listen to this grab by Azizasari,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, so then that partner just becomes your child,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you're essentially doing everything for them because they need

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<v Speaker 3>a smartphone to get around. The only person in my

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 3>life who does, who has a smartphone but never uses

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<v Speaker 3>it is my eighty seven year old Nana, So she

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<v Speaker 3>keeps the phone on her and then someone will call

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:55.760
<v Speaker 3>her on the phone and then she has to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>can you answer this for me?

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<v Speaker 9>Please? Totally get into berg Eye.

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<v Speaker 1>She I bet people who don't have phones definitely get

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<v Speaker 1>into bird.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm like, I find it so interesting, especially in

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<v Speaker 3>today's day and age, Like how do you maintain relationships?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you keep friendships? How do you pay for dinner?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you show your ID when you get into

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<v Speaker 3>burg Eye?

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<v Speaker 9>And like, I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I want to hear Amelia because I know she's

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<v Speaker 1>really cool and intellectually superior to the rest of us,

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:23.959
<v Speaker 1>does she though?

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<v Speaker 9>But I also want to know how what a setup hold?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not setting you up to fail at all. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these people say, like because there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them, sort of Simon Cowe's of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever they say, it's freed me up so much

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't wake up every morning to fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>emails that then I've got to respond to and then

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I've got to respond to that. And I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it appeal Amelia?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely? I saw Zadie Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>She came to Australia a few months ago and I

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<v Speaker 2>went to see her at the Opera House in conversation.

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 2>And what was so interesting is this woman is arguably

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<v Speaker 2>the most interesting, intelligent person alive today in the world. Right,

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I think that her brain needs to be studied. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to figure out how Zadie Smith thinks about literally everything.

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<v Speaker 9>Do you know what?

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<v Speaker 2>The interviewer spent most of the time talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Zadie Smith does not have a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 9>Fascinated and I got.

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<v Speaker 2>Really frustrated because I wanted to hear Zadie Smith's opinions

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<v Speaker 2>on everything else in the world, but all anyone wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to actually hear about was the lack of smartphone, because

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 2>she's never had a smartphone apart from a few months

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eight. She says when they first

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 2>came out, she kind of got interested, but then she

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>quickly discarded it. So what I learned from this interview,

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 2>because there were many questions about it. She prints out

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<v Speaker 2>Google Maps when she's going somewhere, so I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>less annoying than as he's I'm sorry calling his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's very sort of matter of fact about it.

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<v Speaker 2>She says that, yeah, sometimes she thinks about things she

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<v Speaker 2>wants to google or look up while she's out and

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<v Speaker 2>about during the day. But she has a desktop computer,

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>so when she gets home, Yeah, she can.

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<v Speaker 9>Look up the stuff that she wanted to look up.

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<v Speaker 1>She probably writes them down with a pen and a notebook.

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Smith probably carries a notebook for that.

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<v Speaker 9>She probably does.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is that she says that she

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>has a very addictive personality, and so she knows that

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<v Speaker 2>if she did have a smartphone, should be utterly incapable

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<v Speaker 2>of putting boundaries around sensible use.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so interesting because obviously smartphone use isn't a problem

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>for everybody. I mean it is, it's ruined the world

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<v Speaker 1>in so many ways, but for some of us more

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<v Speaker 1>than others that are able to like my partner Brent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know he's a man of a certain age,

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.920
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. But he could happily leave the house without

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>his phone. He doesn't have to be on his phone

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 1>all the time. It drives the rest of us crazy

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 1>because we're trying to get hold of him, and but

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 1>like he's not. It's not a problem for him, whereas

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I do. My relationship with my phone, and we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this a lot on the show, takes up a

0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:55.400
<v Speaker 1>certain amount of energy just in its existence. Yeah, and

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:59.199
<v Speaker 1>so I think that probably it's true that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know that about yourself, as Zadie Smith does,

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>then you're like, it's just better. I never go there

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a bit like I never have that first.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also wonder if this is an idea. I'm

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>not sure what the answer is. I want to see

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>what you think. Like our instinct on this issue is

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 2>to say that it's a privileged position to not have

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 2>a smartphone, because there are all these things that you

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>have to do in everyday life that if you don't

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>have a smartphone, you'd have to have your assistant too.

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>But I just want to try out the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe part of that is us making an excuse for

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 2>our smartphone news because, for instance, on the list of

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>things that you listened before, m that you must have

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>a smartphone for one of them was paying for dinner. Well,

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>there are credit cards, and I mentioned paying for parking. Yes,

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>you can also use a credit card for that. Like,

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>is there a way in which we hear these stories

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>about the Zadie Smiths and the Christopher Nolans and we think, well,

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 2>that's okay for them, and then we try and make

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>excuses for why we can't do it.

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I think your idea is correct.

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Zadie Smith is really interesting because more often than not,

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I feel like even from the people I know of,

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 3>it's always usually men who don't have a smartphone. And

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<v Speaker 3>I also think when I think about my smartphone and

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 3>when I'm away from home and I don't have it

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>on me, I do get anxious because I also realize

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 3>that it is a safety tool, like you have find

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.320
<v Speaker 3>my friends on it, for like women who go on dates.

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>We used to live without that one.

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But I just think the world is developed in

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 3>a way where it is becoming more and more unsafe

0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 3>to be a woman being outside by herself and even

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>going for like walks alone like I never walk alone

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 3>at night, but I make sure if I am, I

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 3>have my phone on me.

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 9>But I don't think that just on that point, I

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 9>don't think.

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>The statistics bear out the idea that the world, let's

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.959
<v Speaker 2>narrow it down, that maybe, like living in Australia and

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 2>walking down the street is becoming more dangerous for women.

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 9>I think I wonder.

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>If us smartphones are probably fueling our paranoia on that front.

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be really interesting to find out,

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>because you're right, there are many more ways to keep

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.520
<v Speaker 1>yourself safe, and this you extrapolate that out to how

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>we feel about our children. If our children like, oh, well,

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I've got to get them a phone so I know

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>where they are, and da da da da da that

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>but does it really keep them safe? And that's an

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>interesting question. Back to the creative geniuses. So Zadie Smith

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>is a writer who, like as you've already said, Amelia,

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>her brain works in amazing ways. Christopher Nolan makes these

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>movies that no one else could make. Is the having

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>no smartphone part of why they're so jeous. Do you

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.960
<v Speaker 1>think that if you are constantly plugged into feedback, which

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>is the way that you live, if you have a smartphone,

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe you couldn't make right.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean I've read about some other creative

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>geniuses who don't have them. Dolly Partoner doesn't have one,

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Sarah Jessica Parker Ashley Olsen arguably the person who's done

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 2>more to influence how we dress today than anyone other

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>than her sister Mary Kate. These people, I think, do

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>have a kind of mavericky way of.

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:49.840
<v Speaker 9>Being in the world.

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>And maybe it is because they're not having to think

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>about what people think of them.

0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>All because they're not distracted by endless videos of hotman

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>gardening and puppies doing hilarious thing.

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 3>But also like some people like the Kardashians and Taylor

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Swift are chronically online. They read every comment, they read

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 3>every tweet, and they're also geniuses in their own way. Me,

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 3>you don't have social media, so you're kind of fifty

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 3>percent there. Do you think you could go without a

0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 3>smart phone?

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 9>You do, you do it.

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>It's a good question, and I think that's why I

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 2>wanted to float that idea with you before. Like yesterday,

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>for instance, very very scarily, my kids went missing after school.

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Everything's fine now, but I got a call from the

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 2>school saying we don't know where your kids are basically,

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was all just a mix up. It's fine,

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 2>they tried to run away. No, that's the jokes anyway.

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 2>The point is that's another.

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 9>Story, that's for another time. And I got a call

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 9>from the school. Is the point.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that when it comes to these really

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<v Speaker 2>important situations, you got the school receptionist just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>casually sending me a text.

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<v Speaker 9>You up, kids have gone missing?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like I think when it comes to really

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<v Speaker 2>important information, I think people are still calling us. They're

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<v Speaker 2>still getting in touch with this in ways that don't

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<v Speaker 2>depend on a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>That if you had a flip phone, it would still

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<v Speaker 1>work if you were as I'm sorry, they'd call your wife.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I'm saying is if you want to give

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<v Speaker 2>track of your kids, maybe your flip phone is enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I can just hear all the out louders shouting at

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<v Speaker 1>us about all the ways you can live without a smartphone,

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<v Speaker 1>as Amelia just did. Well, she's like, you could have

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<v Speaker 1>a credit card, you could have I want to know

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<v Speaker 1>if many of them do. I want to know if

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<v Speaker 1>many of them have gone to flip phones and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to their podcast on desktop, because the rise of YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that more people are doing right. That's true too.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not a creative genius. I am still wedded

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<v Speaker 1>to the phone. Maybe if I had a flip phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you'd get how many books have you written

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<v Speaker 2>enough for I'm not a creative genius.

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<v Speaker 9>Nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe if I got read my smartphone, I could actually

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<v Speaker 2>publish book.

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<v Speaker 9>There you go, maybe that's.

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<v Speaker 3>My startphone haters. Look, it's fine to have a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing okay, it's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh a nice segue into books. Thanks you mean to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I was just fishing for a compliment. I

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<v Speaker 1>got one from which makes my day.

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<v Speaker 9>But anyway, you're not getting into Berkheine. I'm sorry. No

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<v Speaker 9>matter how much mesh, how many bra I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those tax people use for like hiking around

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<v Speaker 2>the world for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just occurred to me that me and a few

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<v Speaker 1>a few mesh bratops could be seen and subversive enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get into berkhines.

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<v Speaker 9>You know you're in red Lip. Forget the red lip

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<v Speaker 9>taking a scar off. You're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, we digress back to books we have got. You

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<v Speaker 1>might have heard about this. It's the best I reckon

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<v Speaker 3>One Yeah, so you get twelve books. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like a mini library. We actually got them sent to

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<v Speaker 3>the office first and just looking at them all together,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, you're going to have.

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<v Speaker 4>A really good year.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to just ask Amelia quickly, because I know

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<v Speaker 1>what a lot of people's books are. Your choice for

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<v Speaker 1>one of your books is Intimate So by Sally Rooney.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's an interesting choice because a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>might have got normal people. Tell us why you love.

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<v Speaker 2>No it's her best So look it's Sally Rooney's fourth novel.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even finish her third novel, obviously. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>her first two, which were made into TV shows and

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<v Speaker 2>so on, but I think this one is her best.

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<v Speaker 2>It is said in Dublin in twenty twenty two, like

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of Sally Rooney's books are. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>two brothers who are dealing with the death of their

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<v Speaker 2>father and both having some problems in their love lives.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, what Sally Rooney is always about.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I thought was so fascinating about this book

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 2>is it's about sibling relationships, and we so rarely get

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<v Speaker 2>to read about siblings, let alone about brothers. I think

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>there's some art about sisters, not a lot about brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>And as someone with a brother, I just it gave

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<v Speaker 2>me real insight into that kind of brother relationship and dynamic.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also just everything Sally Rooney always is. You

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<v Speaker 2>know how she just writes dialogue that it feels like

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually they're having a conversation with them.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think she has a smart phone? Oh, Sally Rooney,

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<v Speaker 2>good question. I'm getting the vibe that she does not.

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting the vibe that she goes to Berlin for

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 2>six months a year, goes to burg Hind at two

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the afternoon and does not have a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 9>Right, that's Sally Rooney.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. If you're not a subscriber, but you want

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0:35:58.440 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 1>all we have time. But we've been all over the

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>place yesterday. I loved being on the porch with Barnaby.

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 12>I love being with.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys and Harry Styles good times. We will be

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>back in your ears tomorrow. Goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>See you out louders, it's em Are you still here?

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 3>I do hope, so listen. Last week Maya, Holly, Jesse,

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 3>and Luca got together to record a special episode What's

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 3>it about? Well, we wanted to bring you the out

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Louders in on some things that are happening behind the

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<v Speaker 3>scenes at Mamma Mia. Think of it like a conversation

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 3>at a family dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Over to you, Holly, out louders, we have family news.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you've seen it around, maybe you've heard some whispers.

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you haven't, but because you out louders are at

0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>the heart of everything we do here. Mamma Mia, we

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>thought this is family news. You got to hear it

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>straight from the various horses mouths.

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 7>Especially this is.

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 8>Your worst night mare being in the middle of this mished,

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 8>fucked up family.

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Family.

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<v Speaker 10>She just used the word we and when it suits

0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 10>holy she tries to exit the family and.

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Slowly backing away anyway. Specifically in this case, you are

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 1>hearing from Jesse, from Maya and from Luca.

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<v Speaker 10>Hello all, hi, Hi, thank you for having us.

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<v Speaker 1>For the past two years, Mamma Mia has been run

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>by Natalie Harvey. She is an extraordinarily capable, calm and

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>passionate CEO. Nat is moving on, She's got a new job.

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<v Speaker 1>She leaves with all our love. Well, I can't speak

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 8>She oh, my god, so much love, just like do

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 8>you know what she said? Not only does she leave

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 8>with our love and our gratitude. And Mamma Mia is

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 8>a better business because of the time we spent with

0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 8>her as CEO. But she's leaving with a whole new wardrobe.

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 8>Like when she came in she was quite corporate and

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 8>now she has trainers every.

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Day anyway, it brings us to the family news, which

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<v Speaker 1>is Luke Levine, who in Out Loud Law will always

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<v Speaker 1>be MEA's son, Jesse's husband, the butt of some folks,

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<v Speaker 1>sometime host on parenting out Loud. But he is apart

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>from all those things. He is, in fact a very sharp,

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.799
<v Speaker 1>very intelligent and diligent man in his own right. And

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<v Speaker 1>he is the new CEO of Mama Maya.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very nice, big deal to say all those things, Well,

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 4>it's all true.

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<v Speaker 7>She's got them written down and.

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<v Speaker 10>Also practically her boss.

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<v Speaker 9>So he got nice to you.

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<v Speaker 10>You get business?

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<v Speaker 8>Move?

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<v Speaker 7>Were you going to get to that?

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get to the awkwardness of that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I asked them all to come in and sit down

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 1>because if we can't have the exclusive on this news

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and who can, Let's get right to the big thorny questions. Luca,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the CEO.

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<v Speaker 14>I've heard someone describe CEO as chief energy officer, which

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<v Speaker 14>is like bringing the energy to the business. It's your

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<v Speaker 14>job to bring the energy.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I don't know if that's you.

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<v Speaker 10>I was going to say, I don't want to undermine

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<v Speaker 10>him immediately, but I was like vibes, I'm like this.

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<v Speaker 14>Is not This is not the interview or the chat

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 14>that I should come to to get myself built up

0:38:58.440 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 14>and really confident about this role.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to walk out of these two up about this.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to keep denigrating you, and I'm like, remember,

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it's really.

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<v Speaker 10>Important, important for Optics that you're nice.

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<v Speaker 8>To the love.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's good, it's good. Keep bringing me down.

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<v Speaker 14>Always so, Nat, in her time as CEO here has

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.919
<v Speaker 14>been like the best possible example of that, right, Chief

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 14>Energy Officer.

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<v Speaker 10>I keep saying to you, I'm like, and another great

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.960
<v Speaker 10>thing about Nat, great speaker she is, and I love

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 10>how Nat like she always she's such a great problem solved.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't she have great hair?

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 7>Her shoes?

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<v Speaker 14>I wish I had a tenth as much energy and

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.080
<v Speaker 14>pizzaz as Nat does. She'd call it riz, she says.

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 14>She would say herself that she has riz, which makes

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 14>her sound like a real elder millennial. I definitely don't

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 14>have rizz. I have whatever the opposite of rizz is.

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 14>But I sort of think that pretty much the most

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<v Speaker 14>important part of a CEO's role is to pick the

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 14>right people and put the right people in the right

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 14>roles in a business that can be some roles that

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 14>are in front of the mic, you know, which is

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 14>why see you and I having a performance conversation later,

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 14>and other roles that most roles actually in our business

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:06.200
<v Speaker 14>that are.

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<v Speaker 7>Actually telling you about your performance should be giving you

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 7>some notes.

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<v Speaker 14>So that's sort of what I see the most overarching

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.759
<v Speaker 14>CEO role as picking the right people for the right

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 14>roles overall business strategy.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you're in a P and L document. Sometimes you're

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 4>leading the leadership team.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 10>I don't know what P and L stands for, but

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 10>Holly and I are not business people. No, you two

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 10>are business people, right, I don't have an I still

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 10>struggle with the.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Wording you're pointing at myself and me.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, I actually just beat that.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that you even though the first time you

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 8>walked in here you'd never been in an office before,

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 8>and you were with Claire, and I put you in

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 8>a meeting with Holly and she's like, I'm busy, who

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 8>are these people with these strange small people?

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 7>But since then, the two of.

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 8>You, you're not just the hosts of out Loud. You

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 8>have been involved in this business so intimately. Over the

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 8>last ten years, you've seen the tears, the hard parts,

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 8>the challenges, the triumphs.

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 7>You've seen a lot.

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<v Speaker 9>Your book will be.

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<v Speaker 10>Great, though, is like a really boring job from my perspective,

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 10>and I think that Hollywood probably find it quite.

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 7>That's why I'm not it ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, yeah, and I want to get to that

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>because You've always been really open about talking about how

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>your creative leadership really always needs that brilliant business brain

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 1>to balance.

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<v Speaker 8>With I think that there are lots of different types

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 8>of CEOs, you know, it depends, and every CEO brings

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 8>their own personality and skills to it, and that brought

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 8>an incredible sales background, and that.

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 14>Has the best energy as one of the best people leaders.

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.239
<v Speaker 8>But I know that I could never be CEO because

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 8>I don't have the temperament. I don't have the patience,

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 8>I don't have the business understanding. Frankly, like I don't

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 8>look at spreadsheets. I'm all feelings. And a CEO they've

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 8>got to be able to be very three hundred and

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 8>sixty degrees of the business. And that is something that

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 8>Luca does have because he's come through content, he's come

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.800
<v Speaker 8>through sales, He's worked in every facet of the business.

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 8>So he actually knows more about the business in every

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.439
<v Speaker 8>department of it, way more than I do.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>One of the things I do know about Lucra is

0:42:18.520 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you're not particularly good at tuoting your own horn.

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.760
<v Speaker 4>Because you're not a parent. I hate it, but I need.

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>You to tell me because I know you've already got

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the job. So it's not an interview in that way,

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>but like, what do you think why you are the

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 1>right person for this job?

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 14>We were talking before the mix went on about aging

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 14>and how I'm how I was born an old.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Man has always said that about it.

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, and that's not why I've been chosen for this role.

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 14>But nothing makes me feel more of an old man

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:49.480
<v Speaker 14>than when I think about the fact that I've been

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 14>here for a decade.

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 7>I know right than you are. How I actually don't know.

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 7>Are you twenty seven or twenty eight?

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 4>Currently either twenty eight or twenty twenty twenty eight?

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 14>It always changes, really keep track of it, and I

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:03.399
<v Speaker 14>always rely on you ping around.

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:07.840
<v Speaker 7>To whatever Jesse's ages.

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>What I remember about you coming in and working as

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>a writer at MoMA Meter is that you have always

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 1>been very like full of ideas. I'm very smart and

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>wanting everything to be better. All the time, but you're

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>also very receptive always to feedback to being put back

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 1>in your box, like at that point you learn you

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>did know how to shut up and learn, which I

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:32.439
<v Speaker 1>think is a not something that everybody who comes through

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>is and be not necessarily what everyone would expect.

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 14>During my time here, I always felt the way I

0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.279
<v Speaker 14>do now, which was I always wanted us as a

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 14>whole business to be getting better.

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 10>Yes, I think that's a good point because the family

0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 10>business element of it, Like you came in, you finished school,

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 10>you had been brought up on my mayor it had

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 10>been in your household since what you were twelve or something.

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 8>And before that, I was the editor of Cosmos, so

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 8>he always know like that was his world, his women's content.

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 10>And so even though you were coming in and you

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 10>were the boss's son, so people were terrified about that

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 10>to an extent that would.

0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Have been going to job on us uncomfortable for you guys.

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.439
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And so you came in as the boss's son.

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 10>With that comes enormous privileges and doors opening and all

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:20.240
<v Speaker 10>that kind of stuff, but also responsibility in that everything

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:24.359
<v Speaker 10>that happens directly impacts your family. As an outsider who

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 10>doesn't understand a whole lot about about business. Australia is

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:31.760
<v Speaker 10>so built on small businesses, and something like seventy percent

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 10>of those businesses are family businesses. And the reason that

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 10>is is because of the loyalty, because of the generational

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 10>I suppose, like education.

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.240
<v Speaker 7>It comes with it and understand.

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, And I think that that's part of why

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 10>you've kind of gone through the business, worked in lots

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 10>of different departments, but sort of been men taught into

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:54.600
<v Speaker 10>a position like this over ten years.

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 14>I've learned so much in all of the various roles

0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 14>that I've had here. I mean, we were just talking

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 14>about when I start that I was writing under your

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 14>guidance hole. But then you know, I was lucky enough

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 14>to work in our podcast business very very early on,

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 14>back when they were three shows. I used to produce

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.440
<v Speaker 14>you and Andrew Data or in this Glorious Smith. That

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 14>was the first time we worked very very closely.

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 7>Together, which was his main Amelia on Tell Me, which.

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 14>Is our political podcast back in the day. And then

0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 14>I've worked in various other sort of commercial and product roles.

0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember when you jumped from editorial to commercial, we

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:26.840
<v Speaker 1>felt quite betrayed, didn't we Yes.

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 10>Yes, he jumped to commercial and then like spearheaded, because

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 10>you're not going to be very good at saying what

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 10>you've done behind the scenes. But here's how I understand it.

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 10>You have spearheaded subscriptions, which is really important as a business.

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 14>Something something In twenty twenty one, I launched our subscription business,

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 14>which is very transformational for us.

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.439
<v Speaker 10>Yes, so acquiring different podcasts, that's another thing that you've done,

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.319
<v Speaker 10>rolling out a new website, rolling out the app, all

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:55.600
<v Speaker 10>that kind of stuff, and that's been quite behind the scenes,

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 10>like out louders wouldn't know who.

0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, my favorite part of coming to work every day

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:02.760
<v Speaker 14>and being in this business is doing the work.

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>He me me it was this always the plan? I

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>bet this is what lots of people would want to know.

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.359
<v Speaker 1>Jesse just referenced the family business element of this, and

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that's very front and center this. You know, it is

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>a family business. Was it always the plan that Luca

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 1>would become this.

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 4>Why you had a son?

0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 8>And it was never the play. It was honestly never

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 8>the plan. You know, we looked externally for nat and

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 8>she was just the most phenomenal appointment, and she's just

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:35.160
<v Speaker 8>been so wonderful for the business. But when we found

0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 8>out that she was moving on and she had another role,

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 8>we had some hard conversation. They actually weren't hard conversations

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 8>because we looked around and we said, does anyone know

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 8>the business better than Luca?

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 7>No? Is he going to copy it because he's the

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:50.879
<v Speaker 7>boss's son.

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.319
<v Speaker 8>Do we still need to do what's the best thing

0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 8>for the business anyway?

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 7>Of course we do.

0:46:57.440 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 10>You get to choose because your own the business. You

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 10>get to make bad decisions if you so feel like it.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 10>And who's going to wear those bad decisions? You are,

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.239
<v Speaker 10>and then Christmas is gonna be awkward, so.

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>You kind of worse reminding people that before Nat Jason,

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 1>your husband and co founder on it.

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 7>Was the CEO, right, Yeah, we kind.

0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 8>Of chose roles for ourselves when it was just the

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 8>two of us in a lounge room and it didn't

0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 8>really matter much. I don't remember what my role was,

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 8>and I still don't really year.

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 10>It's incredibly confusing.

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 7>Like shoes, I just think of myself as co founder.

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 8>Jace was CEO for many years, and he was of

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.320
<v Speaker 8>a similar mold, very behind the scenes.

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.359
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I guess is that in a way.

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Many people who know you guys would say that Luca

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 1>is very like Jason in lots of ways.

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 4>Do you think that.

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:42.359
<v Speaker 7>I think he's a real mix.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 8>What's interesting is that if you think that I'm the

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 8>art and Jason is the science, Luca is a mix.

0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 8>He's got such a good content brain, and I think

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 8>that's why he and Jesse are such so compatible. He

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 8>understands contents so well, and yet he understands the whole

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 8>side of the business that I don't even understand or

0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:07.440
<v Speaker 8>focus much on. Also, so I think that we knew

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 8>that there was going to be pushed back, but we

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 8>take our responsibility of not just our core purpose, but

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:18.320
<v Speaker 8>the responsibility we have employing one hundred and thirty staff,

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 8>ninety five percent of whom are women, and we're not

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 8>going to put in someone who can't do this job

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 8>just because we like him and we're related to him,

0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 8>if it's going to potentially risk the jobs and the

0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 8>livelihoods of those people. Like every decision we make for

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 8>the business, it's with that in mind. That's why it's

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.720
<v Speaker 8>so high pressure, you know, being the owner of a business.

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 10>And I think I would have thought before that, like

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.440
<v Speaker 10>CEO is like the face of you know, and especially

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 10>in this moment of like the em agreed. You know

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:50.240
<v Speaker 10>how we always talk on it loud.

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:51.839
<v Speaker 7>He's going to want his own podcast in a minute.

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 10>Well, this is the thing, right, My CEO isn't. And

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 10>I suppose that there's there's part of you that goes

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.920
<v Speaker 10>a man is the boss of Mum and maya like,

0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:03.720
<v Speaker 10>and that might feel incompatible, but you're not. The face

0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 10>of Holly is the face.

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 7>Of that, Yes, she really is.

0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:12.799
<v Speaker 8>She's what's so interesting is that as the face, you

0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:15.719
<v Speaker 8>have a certain pressure. So every time there's some shit

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:19.360
<v Speaker 8>written about us that's not true, or every time anyone

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 8>in the whole company is perceived to do something wrong,

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:26.480
<v Speaker 8>it'll be my face attached to it, right, looking always

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 8>so low ways to find the unhinged pictures. So that

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 8>sucks and I hate it, but you know I'm used

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.640
<v Speaker 8>to it. But then the burden of being the CEO

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 8>is that you're awake at night knowing that the bottom

0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:39.800
<v Speaker 8>line is your responsibility.

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 7>And that's why you need a really good leadership team.

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I know you don't know how old you are. You're

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty eight. Let's just get that on the table. Some

0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>people will say that's too young to be a CEO.

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:49.759
<v Speaker 1>What do you say to that.

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.280
<v Speaker 14>Look, In the last four years five years in the business,

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 14>like my role, you know, prior Ton's News has been

0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 14>Chief Operations off COO and also Chief Product officer. You know,

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 14>I've led mostly from behind the scenes three of our

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 14>sort of or four of our biggest transformations in the business.

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 14>One of them, you know, around the strategy behind our

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:13.800
<v Speaker 14>podcast expansion and pivoting into video or expanding to video.

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:17.440
<v Speaker 14>Another of them, as Jesse mentioned, more of a behind

0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 14>the scenes, you know, revenue diversification play, but around launching

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 14>and scaling our subscription business which includes a fitness app

0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:28.799
<v Speaker 14>and other things to try and diversify a business from

0:50:28.840 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 14>being just advertiser funded to being a mix of advertiser

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:36.359
<v Speaker 14>and subscription funded. And then just recently last year, you know,

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.319
<v Speaker 14>launching a full overhaul of our website and app and

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 14>a bunch of our technology.

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 8>To me, that stuff is so tedious, it's so boring,

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:46.120
<v Speaker 8>but it's absolutely crucial.

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>And you've been that's right hand, but also steering your

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>own ship on all that stuff for a long time,

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 1>which is important. It's not like you were in the

0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:56.320
<v Speaker 1>back post room and somebody suddenly went QBC.

0:50:58.280 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 9>Like that.

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 14>There hasn't been in a day go by in the

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 14>last probably ten years, but really intensively in the last

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 14>five where I haven't spent most of that day thinking

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:14.919
<v Speaker 14>about our business strategy and really stepping into this role.

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 4>There's no change there.

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:20.000
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and yes, you're twenty eight and how do you

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 10>feel about it there?

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 9>Well, in terms.

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Of some questions, yeah, okay, sorry, on.

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.360
<v Speaker 10>The thing of experience, I think it's a really valid question,

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 10>like twenty eight is incredibly young to be a CEO,

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 10>but the fact that you've lived and breed this business,

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:34.560
<v Speaker 10>like I think that that dog years.

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:38.120
<v Speaker 4>It's also bloody young to have three kids, isn't it. Yeah, yeah,

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:38.799
<v Speaker 4>twins at home.

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I so want to get to that. But I just

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>have to ask me about the man question. Oh yes,

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>because there were As Jesse alluded to, there will be

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>people who will say, why is it a problem that

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Luca is a man in charge of a women's media company.

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 10>It sounds like an out loud segment.

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:56.319
<v Speaker 9>It does a little bit for this week.

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about that?

0:51:57.800 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 2>To me?

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.680
<v Speaker 8>If you look at what I call purpose, which has

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 8>never changed, making the world a better place for women

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:08.160
<v Speaker 8>and girls. I don't see men as being excluded from them. Yeah,

0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:13.120
<v Speaker 8>I see them as being crucial to helping us make

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 8>that happen.

0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:15.839
<v Speaker 1>The reason I wanted you to come today, yeah, other

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:16.719
<v Speaker 1>than that, I wanted to see you.

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:17.839
<v Speaker 8>Hi. Hi.

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 10>And I'm having a really good headache dress yesterday, And

0:52:22.719 --> 0:52:25.399
<v Speaker 10>I said, guys, why don't we get these cameras out?

0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:27.399
<v Speaker 9>Hear me out, let's get a camera.

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 7>Someone gives her a new job, so there's a reason

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 7>for me to be on the desk.

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 1>How you feel about this because in your house right, well,

0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean professionally because you work at MoMA Mia, right,

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 1>so that's interesting. But personally, in your house, you have

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.640
<v Speaker 1>got baby twins and a toddler, and your husband has

0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 1>just taken on a massive job. Would you like to

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>kill him?

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:47.799
<v Speaker 9>Always?

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:50.000
<v Speaker 10>But then it's sometimes nice to have a card in

0:52:50.000 --> 0:52:52.960
<v Speaker 10>the back pocket. And this is what a friend of

0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:55.719
<v Speaker 10>mine recently was driving home. She had two of her

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.959
<v Speaker 10>little kids in the car, and her husband wasn't feeling

0:52:58.040 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 10>very well, so he stayed home and she was driving

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 10>home and she got pulled over because her car wasn't

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:04.359
<v Speaker 10>registered and her husband was meant to do it, and

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:06.399
<v Speaker 10>she called me and went, how do I play this?

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 10>And I said, what you've got is you've got a card, right,

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:10.800
<v Speaker 10>put it in the pocket.

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 9>Quiet.

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 10>They get scared. When you get quiet, you don't want

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 10>to do yelling. You don't want to start playing them

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.280
<v Speaker 10>all throwing balls here, there and everywhere.

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 4>You put it in the pocket.

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:24.000
<v Speaker 10>And then when you need want require that's when you go,

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 10>you know what, Oh yeah, absolutely take this. But if

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.840
<v Speaker 10>you take this big job, you do all the nighttime

0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 10>wakeups or you do. I think that we need to

0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 10>make sure that we still have like time off as

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 10>a family or whatever. And I'm just like, there are

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 10>like sacred points of our week where I am not

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 10>going to And I've actually thought about this so much.

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.480
<v Speaker 10>And I'm also trying to convince Luca like to do

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 10>like pre ceo couples counseling.

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:54.800
<v Speaker 7>That's a really good idea.

0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:57.359
<v Speaker 10>The reason why is I have seen couples and heard

0:53:57.400 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 10>so many stories of like the guy who and it

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 10>is often a man with young families who is just

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.800
<v Speaker 10>so like wedded to work, uses that as an escape

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 10>because sometimes I think works easy asier.

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.239
<v Speaker 7>That's me, Yes, you've seen it in me too.

0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 10>Well, I think that well, you're like still married. I'm

0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 10>thinking of a lot of people I know who their

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 10>marriage it costs them their marriage, right, because it's like.

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 8>I've got a theory about this because Jason and I

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 8>have you know, it's very intense running your own business,

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 8>but the fact that we're both in it makes it

0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 8>a hundred times easier because I can't imagine what it

0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 8>would be like. And Luca, You've always said this that

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 8>it's just easier when your family and your partner and

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:50.200
<v Speaker 8>your friends and holy and your holy A're all in

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:53.240
<v Speaker 8>the same you know, the same.

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:53.879
<v Speaker 4>Is really nice.

0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.560
<v Speaker 14>Not having to go home and then if something happened

0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 14>at work, I have to explain who this person is

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.640
<v Speaker 14>and what a podcast is and all of the background.

0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 4>It's all just one yeah, and it's incredibly efficient.

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.360
<v Speaker 1>But you also have a big career and like a

0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of that career is at Mamma Mia, but some

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:11.799
<v Speaker 1>of it is not. Like you're you're a writer. You know,

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you write and you write books, you write screenplays, you

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:14.879
<v Speaker 1>do lots of things.

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 4>You win twins Fest that one time.

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 10>Okay, that was a really fun event. Okay, And the

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 10>fact that you still make fun of me isn't appropriate.

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 10>Sorry that Mama Maya didn't produce twins Fest, but that

0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:29.040
<v Speaker 10>was my first pitch, twins Fest twenty twenty seven.

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:29.840
<v Speaker 9>I'll headline.

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>So how are you feeling about it?

0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.640
<v Speaker 4>Be honest, I don't I don't know.

0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:38.879
<v Speaker 10>I'm just trying to work out. Mine is more about

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 10>what I want our lives to look like week to week. Yeah,

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.840
<v Speaker 10>And I'm also aware that when I've gone and I've

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 10>done the TV stuff and you know, I've written the

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 10>books and whatever, Luca has unfortunately supported me every single

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 10>step of the way, and it's always we are on

0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 10>the same team. We're on the same team. So with this,

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 10>we are on the same team. But on a Saturday morning,

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.479
<v Speaker 10>between these hours, we have got to be boundaried because

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 10>I don't want to live in a house with someone

0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 10>who's like constantly their heads somewhere else. Like our family

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:11.439
<v Speaker 10>is also a massive priority right now. So I am

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.279
<v Speaker 10>just ensuring that you know, it's not.

0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 4>I think the conversation on you.

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:20.719
<v Speaker 14>It actually doesn't because the conversation that we've had and

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 14>I'm very I'm very pro preemptive couples counseling, by the way, Yeah, I.

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:26.680
<v Speaker 10>Don't know if he's going to book.

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 7>It's going to.

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:32.440
<v Speaker 10>Book, it's going to be married, she's.

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:36.040
<v Speaker 8>Going to be wearing, and I need to be on

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 8>the couch.

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 7>We have thoughts as.

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 14>Suggestions because, as I said before, there hasn't been a

0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:47.280
<v Speaker 14>day go by in the last five or ten years

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 14>when I haven't spent most of that day thinking about

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 14>business strategy and this company. In my mind, it won't

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.759
<v Speaker 14>be even nearly as much of a shift as it

0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:01.319
<v Speaker 14>would be for the average person's stepping into a CEO role.

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 10>Well, that's what I'm like, Well, you know it's going

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 10>to be three a m. Wake ups, like all the stress,

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.439
<v Speaker 10>everything on your mind, and it's going to be jumping

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:10.600
<v Speaker 10>on on a Saturday afternoon and diditor And you're like,

0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:12.359
<v Speaker 10>I already do that.

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, already do that.

0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:16.040
<v Speaker 14>So it's not that I will be less stressed than

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 14>the average CEO. It's that the step up is incredibly

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:21.040
<v Speaker 14>marginal in my mind.

0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 7>But also we've got an extraordinary leadership team.

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 8>I think what a CEO's job, to come back to

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:28.480
<v Speaker 8>your original question, what a CEO's job actually is is

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 8>supporting those people and just helping getting out of their

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 8>way and letting them be as brilliant as they are.

0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask you about that, because obviously

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the first that our excellent team have nearly

0:57:40.440 --> 0:57:43.000
<v Speaker 1>one hundred women, one men, and the few men. Mom

0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 1>may have heard about this. You've spoken to them, You've

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.960
<v Speaker 1>laid out you know your hopes for this. I guess

0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>does it feel like an enormous responsibility the team, the staff,

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>or is that almost a comfort because you know you've

0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:57.919
<v Speaker 1>got so many great people at your back.

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 14>It does feel like an enormous responsibilit But I feel

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.320
<v Speaker 14>extremely ready for that. The team that we have here

0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 14>and the people all across the business, across departments, in

0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:13.840
<v Speaker 14>senior roles, in junior roles. This is the best team

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.920
<v Speaker 14>in the country. And I have not a single doubt

0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 14>about that, or I wouldn't feel as calm and ready

0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:25.040
<v Speaker 14>as I do. So, yes, it is absolutely a big responsibility.

0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 14>I'd be worried for anyone who stepped into a role

0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:31.000
<v Speaker 14>like this and thought that it wasn't. But I'm ready

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:32.160
<v Speaker 14>and I'm incredibly excited.

0:58:32.320 --> 0:58:34.720
<v Speaker 1>People outside the business will always ask me, They asked

0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:36.320
<v Speaker 1>me all the time what it's like to work with me?

0:58:36.960 --> 0:58:38.480
<v Speaker 4>What's it like crazy?

0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, obviously, what I say about that everyone I know

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:46.840
<v Speaker 1>who's worked with you or alongside you or need like,

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the question goes away because you're just good at what

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you do, calm, reasonable, the absolute opposite of the Brady

0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:57.600
<v Speaker 1>boss's son, which is a stereotype in people's heads. I'm

0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:00.880
<v Speaker 1>not saying that exists, but the absolute opposite of that stereotype.

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:04.880
<v Speaker 1>It comes in swinging themselves around telling people what to do.

0:59:05.840 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 9>You've always been You're.

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Good at listening in my experience, and you're good at

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>problem solving. But also when people work with you, that

0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:14.120
<v Speaker 1>question like it disappears.

0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:16.000
<v Speaker 4>And that's what I care about.

0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 14>What I care about is not whatever the gossip mags

0:59:19.520 --> 0:59:21.240
<v Speaker 14>are going to write, I'm not going to write. It's

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 14>earning the respect of the colleagues and the people here

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 14>who I get to work shoulder to shoulder with every

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 14>day and who care as much about a core purpose

0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 14>as I do.

0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 1>What about you and the scrutiny, Jesse, because it's going

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 1>to come in your way too, you know it is.

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:39.280
<v Speaker 10>Yes, I feel like everyone has certain buttons. You can

0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:41.280
<v Speaker 10>deal with all of this, and then there's some things

0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.280
<v Speaker 10>that just getcha that you're just like, Oh that for you.

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:48.040
<v Speaker 10>Mine is when I get accused of nepotism, and I'm like,

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 10>I didn't come out of me as vagina. I did

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:54.440
<v Speaker 10>not know. I have met that woman as an adult,

0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 10>and I worked here before I met Luca, and I

0:59:58.400 --> 0:59:59.440
<v Speaker 10>feel like after a peep.

0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:02.320
<v Speaker 8>Out then to get that on the record, we were

1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:05.040
<v Speaker 8>out loud before you yeah started.

1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:06.720
<v Speaker 9>And I just know what the story is going to become.

1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 10>And then Claire gets dragged into it, and then it's

1:00:08.800 --> 1:00:12.480
<v Speaker 10>just like that annoys me in saying that people are

1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 10>going to talk. I know how how it looks. Before

1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:17.160
<v Speaker 10>I was here and I knew the dynamics and I

1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:19.320
<v Speaker 10>worked in the business, I probably would have looked at

1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:23.120
<v Speaker 10>it and gone twenty eight year old man running Muma

1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:25.960
<v Speaker 10>maya question mark, Like I probably would have thought that.

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:29.480
<v Speaker 10>But now I just have this impulse to shut the

1:00:29.560 --> 1:00:32.600
<v Speaker 10>door and under the bed, hide well and just be

1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:34.400
<v Speaker 10>there just with the five of us.

1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:36.160
<v Speaker 4>You mean our family, not Holly and Maya.

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 10>No, I did not mean Holly and We're not That's

1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:43.760
<v Speaker 10>that is a lock true with your mayor on the.

1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 8>My favorite thing is that out louders who are new

1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.560
<v Speaker 8>to the show, because we've grown a lot.

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.760
<v Speaker 14>This Yeah, but this is the first episode you're listening to.

1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:00.960
<v Speaker 8>That's funny, go back even now, and Jessie was not mad.

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:04.000
<v Speaker 8>People who sometimes in the out Loudest group they would

1:01:04.000 --> 1:01:06.919
<v Speaker 8>be like, wait to marry Jesse are late.

1:01:07.800 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 1>All right, we've got to finish.

1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:10.640
<v Speaker 9>But there's a couple of things I need to know.

1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I need to know, Luca, is anything going to change

1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:16.280
<v Speaker 1>for our out louders who love this show because you're

1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the boss. That's the one thing people want to know.

1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Is he going to come in and change everything.

1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:21.840
<v Speaker 10>Is to outlouds just going to be Luca talking to

1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:24.200
<v Speaker 10>himself three three mics, and he's going to be like this,

1:01:26.160 --> 1:01:27.480
<v Speaker 10>I've been talking about the whole couple.

1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:29.560
<v Speaker 14>Of lots we actually have every time I had it

1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:31.160
<v Speaker 14>on at work the other day on my screen and

1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:33.320
<v Speaker 14>Holly had it on a different stream, and Holly sits

1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:35.400
<v Speaker 14>behind me, and then I'm like, oh, your stream is

1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:36.280
<v Speaker 14>behind come and.

1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Watch it here.

1:01:37.040 --> 1:01:38.760
<v Speaker 14>And so then we were watching the end of like

1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:41.480
<v Speaker 14>Columbia Egypt a Tuesday.

1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:43.680
<v Speaker 7>We're also working very hard.

1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:47.400
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've forgot.

1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:48.280
<v Speaker 10>Just going to be you talking to yourself now for

1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:49.360
<v Speaker 10>out louders, because you're the boss.

1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.680
<v Speaker 14>It's just going to be me and hollytook about football. Okay,

1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:55.040
<v Speaker 14>nothing changes for out Louders. Our podcasts are our fastest

1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:58.640
<v Speaker 14>growing part of our business and that's not going to change.

1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:00.760
<v Speaker 14>They're going to get more attention, and we want to

1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:02.760
<v Speaker 14>be building out a lot of our show brands more,

1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.440
<v Speaker 14>providing more opportunities for our community and for our audience

1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.680
<v Speaker 14>across all of our shows, and really building them out

1:02:09.720 --> 1:02:11.280
<v Speaker 14>beyond being just shows.

1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:14.000
<v Speaker 10>Your mother in law will continue to post inappropriate things

1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:16.560
<v Speaker 10>in the Outlauders that gets removed by Adminton and Stevens.

1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:21.200
<v Speaker 14>I have to moderate her per comment often often no

1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:23.120
<v Speaker 14>change to out Louders in the short term is the

1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:23.880
<v Speaker 14>easy answer to.

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.680
<v Speaker 1>That, what's this relationship going to be like the mother

1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:28.000
<v Speaker 1>son relationship going to be?

1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Like?

1:02:28.080 --> 1:02:31.480
<v Speaker 1>With you as CEO, because I I'm Jesse, we worked

1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:33.480
<v Speaker 1>under we used a lot of people in the business

1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:35.000
<v Speaker 1>who were not related to you would call it mom

1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and dad.

1:02:37.000 --> 1:02:37.320
<v Speaker 8>Call.

1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Mom and dad of fighting, but you were, I mean

1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:44.240
<v Speaker 1>professionally like.

1:02:44.320 --> 1:02:45.800
<v Speaker 7>We'd be like can we do this?

1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:49.520
<v Speaker 1>And they would be like yes, and Jason wud be like, no, yes,

1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:50.320
<v Speaker 1>go on have a fight.

1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:51.960
<v Speaker 8>You.

1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:54.560
<v Speaker 1>In recent years you've stepped back a bit from that

1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:57.720
<v Speaker 1>level of hands onness in the decisions that the business

1:02:57.720 --> 1:03:00.680
<v Speaker 1>are making, all those things like do you think that

1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:03.560
<v Speaker 1>this next era of Mamma Mia, the Luca Lavine era

1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:06.360
<v Speaker 1>of MoMA Mia, what are you going to be doing?

1:03:06.880 --> 1:03:08.200
<v Speaker 1>How do you see that relationship?

1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:12.400
<v Speaker 8>Well, it's so interesting that Luca has always been very

1:03:12.520 --> 1:03:15.680
<v Speaker 8>clearly climbing up the ladder and I've been climbing down it.

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<v Speaker 8>Like the three of us actually have that in common

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<v Speaker 8>where we all started climbing the ladder here and you

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<v Speaker 8>put you before here, and then we all went, oh,

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<v Speaker 8>hang on. I actually want to get back to the

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<v Speaker 8>cold face because what we love doing is making. So

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<v Speaker 8>for me, it's actually a return to that. To me,

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<v Speaker 8>it's a return to making. It's a return to getting

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<v Speaker 8>back on the out loud desk and being behind the

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<v Speaker 8>scenes as well and writing and doing all of that.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't want to get further into management. I feel

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<v Speaker 8>very confident in the management team we've got. We've got

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<v Speaker 8>incredible leaders. There's so many people who've got this from

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<v Speaker 8>a management point of view, and in terms of the

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<v Speaker 8>dynamic between Luca and I, I really one of the

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<v Speaker 8>things I need is people who can tell me no

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<v Speaker 8>and people who I respect who can tell me no,

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<v Speaker 8>And you know Luka has always been that, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>no change.

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<v Speaker 1>There, And how do you see that where you're going to?

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<v Speaker 14>I see my job is pointing me as a creator

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<v Speaker 14>in the right direction, because sometimes she wants to go

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<v Speaker 14>many directions at once, all at the same time, and

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<v Speaker 14>sometimes those directions are opposite to one another. You're working

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<v Speaker 14>on a Prettian creative project at the moment, which the

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<v Speaker 14>outladers will hear more about soon.

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<v Speaker 2>I thinkn it shed of the strategy.

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<v Speaker 10>I think a lot about Australian media. I didn't understand

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<v Speaker 10>how rare independent media in Australia was. Yeah, do you

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<v Speaker 10>know it is the most centralized media landscape in the

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<v Speaker 10>world's second to Brazil to have a How old is

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<v Speaker 10>this business? Nearly twenty Yeah, nearly twenty year old independent

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<v Speaker 10>media company that doesn't have other stakeholders, that is thriving,

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<v Speaker 10>that has been at the forefront of the podcast boom.

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<v Speaker 10>All of that is just something that I am so

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<v Speaker 10>endlessly proud of to like have ridden that wave. And

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<v Speaker 10>so I just think that so you know, in all

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<v Speaker 10>the kind of feedback and criticism, which whatever you wear it,

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<v Speaker 10>but that's a footnote I think I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Think that's even a footnote.

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<v Speaker 14>I think that's the thing that I mean, I feel

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<v Speaker 14>proud of every day to have been a part of

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<v Speaker 14>that for ten years and to have worked alongside so

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<v Speaker 14>many brilliant people who have made those headlines and made

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<v Speaker 14>those shows and written that content. And you know, this

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<v Speaker 14>business has just gone from strength to strength thanks to

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<v Speaker 14>the brilliant people in it, and that's where we're going again.

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<v Speaker 1>Congratulations, Luke Levine. Thanks, I'm very excited that you are

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<v Speaker 1>now the boss of this business.

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<v Speaker 10>I think she's kissing your ass ever since you became

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<v Speaker 10>That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on

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<v Speaker 1>which we have recorded this podcast.