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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. Israel and Iran have spent the

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Speaker 2: weekend trading missile blows, with hundreds dead and global leaders

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Speaker 2: scrambling to prevent a broader regional conflict before we learn Moore,

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Speaker 2: Here's Clamurphy with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: June seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The prosecution at the trial against accused killer

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Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson have claimed she was lying about serving her

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Speaker 1: children leftovers from a death cap mushroom laced lunch to

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Speaker 1: deflect blame away from her. Crown prosecutor Nnette Rodgers made

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Speaker 1: the claims in her closing address on Monday, as Patterson's

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Speaker 1: Patterson has denied she intentionally poisoned her former in laws

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Speaker 1: Down and Gay Patta Dison, Gale's sister Heather, and Heather's

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Speaker 1: told an emergency department nurse on July thirty one that

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Speaker 1: she'd fed her children the leftover beef Wellington with the

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Speaker 1: only reason Pattison would have lied about the leftovers was

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Speaker 1: The prosecutor also claims Patterson lied about sourcing the mushrooms

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Speaker 1: beggars belief. Doctor Rogers claimed Pattison knew the mushrooms did

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Speaker 1: not come from an Asian grosser, and she continued to

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Speaker 1: peddle the false story to deflect blame. The prosecutor will

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Speaker 1: continue her final address today before Patterson's barrister, Colin Mandy, begins.

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Speaker 1: The G seven summit is now underway in Canada, with

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Speaker 1: the G seven leaders agree they have to find a

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Speaker 1: way to de escalate the situation because the Israeli I

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Speaker 1: Ran conflict risks him, flaming the tinderbox of the Gaza

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Speaker 1: their bombardment of Iranian cities over the past twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: while Iran proved capable of piercing Israeli air defenses with

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Speaker 1: Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney welcomed Donald Trump to the

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Speaker 1: also suggesting that they should add China to the group.

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Speaker 1: Mister Trump also made it clear that this meeting for

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Speaker 1: him was going to be mostly focused on trade, mister

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Speaker 1: Subramanian said he took defense concerns about race seriously. In

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Speaker 1: Combs has pleaded not guilty to racketeering and sex trafficking charges.

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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say he coerced women over two decades to take

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Speaker 1: my anger is a response to pain I have been through.

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Speaker 1: Asking a traumatized person not to be traumatized is simply mean.

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Speaker 1: He then appears to tell the friend there over. The

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, the escalating Middle East crisis. The Middle

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Speaker 2: East is on the edge after Israel and Iran began

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Speaker 2: to rise now. Iran's Health Ministry reports two hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty four people have been killed in Israeli strikes, with

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Speaker 2: more than ninety percent of casualties reportedly civilians. Meanwhile, at

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Speaker 2: least thirteen people, including children, have died in Israel. This

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Speaker 2: is a fast developing story, and if you're thinking how

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Speaker 2: the hell did we get here, settle in. We've got

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Speaker 2: the details. The conflict began when Israel launched surprise attacks

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Speaker 2: The impact is already being felt globally. Oil prices have

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Speaker 2: surged more than seven percent since Friday, with futures in

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Speaker 2: If you were waiting for Trump to insert himself into

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Speaker 2: Israel's offensive while denying Iranian allegations of US involvement. However,

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Speaker 2: US officials do confirm they help shoot down Iranian missiles

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Speaker 2: when it's safe to do so. She said, three hundred

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Speaker 2: Israel have registered for assistance to get out of the region.

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Speaker 2: To help us understand this escalating situation, We're joined by

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Speaker 2: senior lecturer in International Relations at Flinders University doctor Jesse Ganawa. Jess,

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Speaker 2: can you help us understand what's triggered the latest escalation.

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Speaker 2: It's been reported that Israel said these strikes were preemptive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think there are some sort of more

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Speaker 3: So importantly, what we've seen since that time is that

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Speaker 3: So we've seen Hesbellah pretty much decimated by Israel as

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Speaker 3: And then we've also seen the Hussies in Yemen quite

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Speaker 3: So that's the kind of more medium term reason I

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Speaker 2: Based on that, then Jess Israel are doing a good

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Speaker 3: I think first of all, Israel sees that Iran is

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Speaker 2: I've been reading online there's the school of thought that

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Speaker 3: I think that there could be something to that that

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Speaker 3: There's always a path to de escalation if there's the

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