1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,664 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,664 --> 00:00:29,504 Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,584 --> 00:00:33,264 Speaker 2: Brodnick and today I'm joined by Charlie Beg. I'm back 6 00:00:33,464 --> 00:00:36,224 Speaker 2: back for round two and so happy to be here. Well, 7 00:00:36,264 --> 00:00:38,144 Speaker 2: we need you here for this one because you're not 8 00:00:38,304 --> 00:00:40,144 Speaker 2: in the office and you know, around the traps as 9 00:00:40,144 --> 00:00:41,344 Speaker 2: a bit of a fashion e stuff. 10 00:00:42,344 --> 00:00:43,664 Speaker 3: Wow, that is very kind. 11 00:00:44,024 --> 00:00:46,104 Speaker 1: Well, I do love fashion, and I love what we're 12 00:00:46,144 --> 00:00:47,104 Speaker 1: about to talk about today. 13 00:00:47,224 --> 00:00:50,104 Speaker 2: Yes, because today we are talking about theme dressing, how 14 00:00:50,144 --> 00:00:53,104 Speaker 2: it has taken over Hollywood red carpets and a few 15 00:00:53,144 --> 00:00:56,064 Speaker 2: A list actresses who have recently pulled out the whole 16 00:00:56,104 --> 00:00:58,264 Speaker 2: theme dressing thing on the red carpet and it has 17 00:00:58,504 --> 00:01:01,984 Speaker 2: failed in a spectacular fashion of burning flames. So we're 18 00:01:01,984 --> 00:01:04,384 Speaker 2: going to get into that, but first. 19 00:01:04,384 --> 00:01:07,824 Speaker 1: But first, we have the very first look at Nicole 20 00:01:07,864 --> 00:01:11,544 Speaker 1: Kidman's erotic drama Baby Girl, which is premiering next week 21 00:01:11,744 --> 00:01:14,224 Speaker 1: at the Vedice International Film Festival and coming out a 22 00:01:14,224 --> 00:01:15,584 Speaker 1: bit later in the year in December. 23 00:01:16,344 --> 00:01:17,704 Speaker 3: It looks soucy. 24 00:01:18,304 --> 00:01:21,704 Speaker 1: So the photos dropped today on Vatidy Fair and basically 25 00:01:21,704 --> 00:01:25,744 Speaker 1: the Oscar Winner stars with Harris Dickinson and Antonio Benderaz 26 00:01:25,824 --> 00:01:29,784 Speaker 1: in Baby Girl, with Kidman playing a business executive who 27 00:01:29,824 --> 00:01:32,544 Speaker 1: starts an affair with her intern played by Dickinson at 28 00:01:32,544 --> 00:01:36,424 Speaker 1: her company and Benderes plays Kidman's husband. 29 00:01:36,544 --> 00:01:38,344 Speaker 3: And Vanity Fair interviewed her. 30 00:01:38,704 --> 00:01:41,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Nicole Kidman is quite nervous about this movie 31 00:01:41,424 --> 00:01:44,224 Speaker 1: coming out, and just in reading into this, she has 32 00:01:44,464 --> 00:01:46,264 Speaker 1: six movies and TV she's coming out this year. 33 00:01:46,344 --> 00:01:47,184 Speaker 2: She's a busy woman. 34 00:01:47,304 --> 00:01:50,944 Speaker 1: Busy woman, did a family affair, did expats, She's got 35 00:01:50,984 --> 00:01:53,944 Speaker 1: the Perfect Couple coming out next week on Netflix, and 36 00:01:53,984 --> 00:01:56,784 Speaker 1: this one. She said, I feel very exposed as an actor, 37 00:01:56,864 --> 00:01:59,704 Speaker 1: as a woman, as a human being. This is something 38 00:01:59,744 --> 00:02:01,704 Speaker 1: you do and hide in your home videos. It is 39 00:02:01,744 --> 00:02:03,464 Speaker 1: not a thing that normally is going to be seen 40 00:02:03,544 --> 00:02:05,824 Speaker 1: by the world. So she told the publication that she 41 00:02:05,904 --> 00:02:08,344 Speaker 1: hasn't actually watched the movie yet and she isn't true 42 00:02:08,344 --> 00:02:11,304 Speaker 1: if she wants to, And she said, I've made some 43 00:02:11,304 --> 00:02:14,304 Speaker 1: films that are pretty exposing, but not like this. 44 00:02:15,104 --> 00:02:16,784 Speaker 3: So in some of the photos. 45 00:02:16,424 --> 00:02:18,824 Speaker 1: You have her standing in her office looking like a 46 00:02:18,904 --> 00:02:21,624 Speaker 1: very professional woman but a bit stunned. And then there's 47 00:02:21,904 --> 00:02:24,184 Speaker 1: her and her husband, and the last one of her 48 00:02:24,504 --> 00:02:28,704 Speaker 1: in a pool with her much younger intern looks quite steamy. 49 00:02:28,904 --> 00:02:30,984 Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what everyone has launched on too, which 50 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,424 Speaker 2: I can kind of understand, because everyone's saying there's so 51 00:02:33,424 --> 00:02:36,864 Speaker 2: many trends now, these older actresses in Hollywood having these 52 00:02:36,904 --> 00:02:39,984 Speaker 2: movies that are really centered around their characters having these 53 00:02:40,024 --> 00:02:42,704 Speaker 2: affairs with younger men. Yeah, she's done two movies that 54 00:02:42,744 --> 00:02:45,264 Speaker 2: are about her character dating a younger guy, but I 55 00:02:45,304 --> 00:02:47,384 Speaker 2: don't think that's the crux of this movie. It's a 56 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:49,904 Speaker 2: bit more of a thriller. It's a bit darker, and again, 57 00:02:49,944 --> 00:02:52,304 Speaker 2: if it was a man doing it, we probably wouldn't noticed. 58 00:02:52,384 --> 00:02:54,904 Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see how this unfolds. I also 59 00:02:54,944 --> 00:02:58,824 Speaker 2: find Nicole Kimman as an actor just incredibly fascinating, Like 60 00:02:58,864 --> 00:03:00,384 Speaker 2: I think because of the way she looks, in the 61 00:03:00,384 --> 00:03:02,304 Speaker 2: way she dresses on red carpets, and how much her 62 00:03:02,384 --> 00:03:05,704 Speaker 2: life has been tabloid fodder for decades, she is very 63 00:03:05,784 --> 00:03:07,704 Speaker 2: much like a movie star, and we kind of see 64 00:03:07,704 --> 00:03:10,184 Speaker 2: that side of her. But she is a movie star 65 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:13,704 Speaker 2: who could just make these big prestige films or she 66 00:03:13,784 --> 00:03:17,824 Speaker 2: could just make blockbusters, but she often chooses really quirky 67 00:03:17,904 --> 00:03:20,624 Speaker 2: independent movies. She chooses wild rows, like when she says 68 00:03:20,624 --> 00:03:22,384 Speaker 2: exposing I was like, yeah, I have seen you do 69 00:03:23,104 --> 00:03:26,104 Speaker 2: some of the wildest things on camera that I've seen 70 00:03:26,144 --> 00:03:28,384 Speaker 2: any kind of performer do, whether it's stage or theater. 71 00:03:28,504 --> 00:03:31,104 Speaker 2: And I think that people, even now, like she's like 72 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:33,664 Speaker 2: thirty years into her career, people still see her as 73 00:03:33,704 --> 00:03:36,544 Speaker 2: like a Glamours on and not as this like very 74 00:03:36,664 --> 00:03:40,824 Speaker 2: kind of almost serious, really offbeat actress who will just 75 00:03:40,944 --> 00:03:43,504 Speaker 2: do anything on camera if it's for the camera, like 76 00:03:43,504 --> 00:03:45,504 Speaker 2: a little actors say that, but she really does. 77 00:03:45,704 --> 00:03:46,424 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. 78 00:03:46,504 --> 00:03:48,304 Speaker 1: That was something she was saying about an affair was 79 00:03:48,344 --> 00:03:49,344 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wait till I'm dead. 80 00:03:49,344 --> 00:03:50,264 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it now. 81 00:03:50,384 --> 00:03:52,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe she won't watch Yah don't wait t dead, 82 00:03:52,704 --> 00:03:53,864 Speaker 2: Nicole Kim. No one wants that. 83 00:03:54,104 --> 00:03:54,944 Speaker 3: No one wants that. 84 00:03:55,024 --> 00:03:57,104 Speaker 1: And also I was watching a Family Fair like just 85 00:03:57,144 --> 00:03:58,464 Speaker 1: two days ago, and this, this is gonna be a 86 00:03:58,544 --> 00:03:59,424 Speaker 1: very different movie to that. 87 00:03:59,544 --> 00:04:02,024 Speaker 3: I think so, just because she lives with Zach effern. 88 00:04:02,024 --> 00:04:04,864 Speaker 1: So comical that movie it was very enjoyable, But this 89 00:04:04,904 --> 00:04:07,664 Speaker 1: looks gritty and I'm here for it. Nana. 90 00:04:09,104 --> 00:04:12,584 Speaker 2: So this week pictures when everywhere of General or Tager 91 00:04:12,864 --> 00:04:15,544 Speaker 2: wearing a very special outfit. So if not across General 92 00:04:15,664 --> 00:04:19,944 Speaker 2: Tager is in the Beetlejuice sequel, Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, which is 93 00:04:20,024 --> 00:04:21,744 Speaker 2: coming out in theater soon. I'm going to the Strain 94 00:04:21,824 --> 00:04:25,104 Speaker 2: premier next week very excited for many reasons because I 95 00:04:25,144 --> 00:04:28,504 Speaker 2: love General Tager as she coming No she's not. I'm 96 00:04:28,504 --> 00:04:30,224 Speaker 2: going to dress up, but she won't be there. I 97 00:04:30,224 --> 00:04:32,624 Speaker 2: love Wanona Rider, one of my favorite actresses. I'm so 98 00:04:32,664 --> 00:04:34,824 Speaker 2: excited to see how Tim Burton like takes the story 99 00:04:34,904 --> 00:04:37,424 Speaker 2: new direction. And I feel like that is the collective 100 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:39,344 Speaker 2: vibe of a lot of the people who are very 101 00:04:39,344 --> 00:04:42,624 Speaker 2: excited about this movie. However, when these pictures of jenneral 102 00:04:42,704 --> 00:04:46,424 Speaker 2: Ortaga went everywhere, she was wearing this Tom Brown ensemble 103 00:04:46,624 --> 00:04:51,184 Speaker 2: that was made to recreate this outfit that Wanona Writer's 104 00:04:51,304 --> 00:04:55,344 Speaker 2: character wears in the original Beetlejuice, And you were expecting 105 00:04:55,344 --> 00:04:57,624 Speaker 2: people to be really excited because they love her and 106 00:04:57,624 --> 00:05:00,104 Speaker 2: the excited about this movie coming back, and some people 107 00:05:00,144 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 2: did have that, But as I was reading through all 108 00:05:02,024 --> 00:05:04,184 Speaker 2: the comments and all the people who had written about it, 109 00:05:04,224 --> 00:05:06,824 Speaker 2: there was this sense of like fatigue and eye rolling 110 00:05:06,864 --> 00:05:10,144 Speaker 2: that was coming through because so many people were just like, 111 00:05:10,464 --> 00:05:12,544 Speaker 2: I think their vibe is that they're done with the 112 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:15,504 Speaker 2: theme dressing. Now it feels like it's taken over every 113 00:05:15,544 --> 00:05:18,344 Speaker 2: Red Car, but every movie premiere. It feels like every 114 00:05:18,384 --> 00:05:20,544 Speaker 2: story is kind of center around that, and maybe that 115 00:05:20,584 --> 00:05:22,664 Speaker 2: there's a fatigue from people around it. 116 00:05:23,304 --> 00:05:26,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely agree. Thing is like method the dressing 117 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:28,584 Speaker 1: really hit the mainstream last year. Margaret Robbie of course 118 00:05:28,664 --> 00:05:31,744 Speaker 1: doing Barbie Robbie and her style as Andrew maccormill pulled 119 00:05:31,784 --> 00:05:33,584 Speaker 1: together a month's worth of looks and of course, if 120 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:36,104 Speaker 1: you remember, they would base all of her outfits on 121 00:05:36,184 --> 00:05:40,144 Speaker 1: specific Barbies from the archive, and they would both post 122 00:05:40,184 --> 00:05:44,104 Speaker 1: about what the original look looked like and how they recreated. 123 00:05:43,624 --> 00:05:44,944 Speaker 3: On her, and they were amazing. 124 00:05:45,024 --> 00:05:47,064 Speaker 1: They used designers to thing like Balman but take It, 125 00:05:47,144 --> 00:05:49,544 Speaker 1: Vanetta and Schiaparelli and Chanelle. 126 00:05:50,024 --> 00:05:52,024 Speaker 3: They even turned it into a coffee table book. 127 00:05:52,184 --> 00:05:56,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was so successful that suddenly you started 128 00:05:56,344 --> 00:05:59,144 Speaker 1: seeing it done everywhere. Of course, there was Zendea for 129 00:05:59,224 --> 00:06:02,304 Speaker 1: the June movies. She'd previously worked with law Roach. She's 130 00:06:02,344 --> 00:06:03,664 Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time. 131 00:06:03,784 --> 00:06:04,264 Speaker 3: Zendeya. 132 00:06:04,624 --> 00:06:07,584 Speaker 1: She was doing it for Spider Man and then later 133 00:06:07,664 --> 00:06:10,664 Speaker 1: did it a Challenges and it was really exciting. Now 134 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:12,544 Speaker 1: we've come around and seen other people do it, and 135 00:06:12,584 --> 00:06:15,704 Speaker 1: it suddenly seems like it's really everywhere. But it's a 136 00:06:15,704 --> 00:06:19,104 Speaker 1: shame because when it was really having its moment last year, 137 00:06:19,184 --> 00:06:23,224 Speaker 1: especially with Barbie and with Challenges For me personally, it 138 00:06:23,424 --> 00:06:26,904 Speaker 1: was so fun as a fashion lover to see these outfits, 139 00:06:27,344 --> 00:06:31,344 Speaker 1: especially how they've managed to tie themes to the movie. 140 00:06:31,664 --> 00:06:34,824 Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, is that someone who's been really roasted for 141 00:06:34,984 --> 00:06:37,464 Speaker 2: theme dressing when they haven't got the themes of the 142 00:06:37,464 --> 00:06:41,224 Speaker 2: movie correct is Blake Lively and her dressing for It 143 00:06:41,344 --> 00:06:43,624 Speaker 2: Ends with Us has come under fire a bit. And 144 00:06:43,624 --> 00:06:45,624 Speaker 2: what I think is interesting about that is that Blake 145 00:06:45,624 --> 00:06:48,904 Speaker 2: Lively was very much one of the pioneers of theme 146 00:06:48,984 --> 00:06:51,824 Speaker 2: dressing to promote a movie. So she did it a 147 00:06:51,904 --> 00:06:54,984 Speaker 2: little bit with Gossip Girl in terms of she would 148 00:06:54,984 --> 00:06:58,784 Speaker 2: sometimes bring out very Serena looks at events. But it's 149 00:06:58,784 --> 00:07:01,224 Speaker 2: also hard because so much of her persona was tied 150 00:07:01,264 --> 00:07:04,424 Speaker 2: to Serena Vanderweros. Every it was like a bit and 151 00:07:04,464 --> 00:07:06,264 Speaker 2: she has said like it is a caricature of her, 152 00:07:06,384 --> 00:07:08,184 Speaker 2: so that was a bit different. But the first time 153 00:07:08,224 --> 00:07:09,704 Speaker 2: that she really did it, I think in a very 154 00:07:09,704 --> 00:07:14,024 Speaker 2: impactful was for a simple Favor press tour in twenty eighteen. 155 00:07:14,064 --> 00:07:15,544 Speaker 2: So we're going back a little bit now. 156 00:07:15,424 --> 00:07:18,304 Speaker 1: Those suits that she wore, and especially knowing that Blake 157 00:07:18,344 --> 00:07:21,904 Speaker 1: lively famously doesn't hire a stylist for any of her looks, 158 00:07:21,944 --> 00:07:24,664 Speaker 1: the fact that she pulled together these three piece suits 159 00:07:24,704 --> 00:07:28,144 Speaker 1: with a cane and just the patterns and there were 160 00:07:28,144 --> 00:07:32,984 Speaker 1: these oversized very men's eighties shoulder pads and it was cool. 161 00:07:33,504 --> 00:07:36,384 Speaker 2: Exactly so her character in that movie Very Like infamously 162 00:07:36,864 --> 00:07:40,224 Speaker 2: has an amazing out wardrobe and wears you know, the suits, 163 00:07:40,264 --> 00:07:42,304 Speaker 2: but not just like the suiting that we would see 164 00:07:42,344 --> 00:07:44,504 Speaker 2: like people in the office wearing like the full like 165 00:07:44,544 --> 00:07:46,424 Speaker 2: the neck piece and the handkerchief and like you're saying, 166 00:07:46,424 --> 00:07:48,984 Speaker 2: of walking cane and all these and the gloves. And 167 00:07:49,224 --> 00:07:52,264 Speaker 2: Blake started doing that even before she started doing official press. 168 00:07:52,304 --> 00:07:54,304 Speaker 2: She started doing it out and about to like lay 169 00:07:54,344 --> 00:07:57,824 Speaker 2: the groundwork, deleted all the photos off her Instagram. She 170 00:07:57,864 --> 00:08:00,584 Speaker 2: took it really far. She unfollowed everyone that only started 171 00:08:00,624 --> 00:08:02,984 Speaker 2: following people who shared her character's name, like she was 172 00:08:03,064 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 2: living the theme dressing and so when she started walking 173 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:08,584 Speaker 2: the Red carpet in these very over the top suits, 174 00:08:08,624 --> 00:08:10,664 Speaker 2: it got people really talking about the movie, and I 175 00:08:10,664 --> 00:08:12,864 Speaker 2: think that was the first time we saw it play out. 176 00:08:12,984 --> 00:08:16,064 Speaker 2: But even Margo Robbie before Barbie, she has been doing 177 00:08:16,144 --> 00:08:18,824 Speaker 2: theme dressing on red carpets for a really long time. 178 00:08:18,824 --> 00:08:21,344 Speaker 2: With like The Suicide Squad, when she was playing Harley Quinn, 179 00:08:21,624 --> 00:08:24,224 Speaker 2: she came out in this like dark glittery dress with 180 00:08:24,264 --> 00:08:26,904 Speaker 2: like a unicorn jim of that, like a silver unicorn 181 00:08:26,944 --> 00:08:30,584 Speaker 2: embedded into it, really dark vanpe makeup, which is so 182 00:08:30,744 --> 00:08:34,064 Speaker 2: different to her red carpet persona before that of like, 183 00:08:34,104 --> 00:08:37,264 Speaker 2: you know, the kind of Australian golden girl, very glowy, 184 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:40,904 Speaker 2: natural looking makeup. And then with Once upon a Time 185 00:08:40,944 --> 00:08:43,864 Speaker 2: in Hollywood, she was channeling a lot of Shannon Tate's look, 186 00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:47,184 Speaker 2: that very retro glamour. And then even with Babylon she 187 00:08:47,344 --> 00:08:51,664 Speaker 2: wason not old Hollywood glamour in that almost like a 188 00:08:51,744 --> 00:08:54,224 Speaker 2: caricature way that some slubs do now where they do 189 00:08:54,304 --> 00:08:57,304 Speaker 2: the really tight fishtail dress, the red lift, the poofy hair. 190 00:08:57,384 --> 00:08:59,904 Speaker 2: It's almost too much. She was doing like that old 191 00:08:59,984 --> 00:09:02,944 Speaker 2: kind of like a silken scarf or the different earrings. 192 00:09:02,984 --> 00:09:06,584 Speaker 2: She was choosing all the very old school archival dresses, 193 00:09:06,704 --> 00:09:08,424 Speaker 2: but also just doing a natural look with it, so 194 00:09:08,424 --> 00:09:10,704 Speaker 2: it was kind of pared back a little bit. Every 195 00:09:10,704 --> 00:09:13,144 Speaker 2: time she did a press front it was very much 196 00:09:13,184 --> 00:09:16,464 Speaker 2: in theme of the character, but not as costumey as Barbie, 197 00:09:16,464 --> 00:09:18,144 Speaker 2: Like I think Barbie kicked things up or not. 198 00:09:18,264 --> 00:09:21,504 Speaker 1: And I think they had to because of the movie, Like, yeah, exactly. 199 00:09:21,504 --> 00:09:24,184 Speaker 1: Everything was over the top about that, and it felt right, 200 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:26,984 Speaker 1: whereas some of the movies it's been done for now 201 00:09:27,184 --> 00:09:29,104 Speaker 1: as we'll get into with it ends with us and 202 00:09:29,184 --> 00:09:31,024 Speaker 1: Blake Lively, it's not appropriate. 203 00:09:31,224 --> 00:09:33,344 Speaker 2: Well that's why I think you have to really choose 204 00:09:33,704 --> 00:09:36,024 Speaker 2: your moment. But I mean it also depends on how 205 00:09:36,024 --> 00:09:37,664 Speaker 2: the audience is going to take it. So you think 206 00:09:37,704 --> 00:09:40,904 Speaker 2: with Margot Robbie, there was a bit of drama before 207 00:09:41,064 --> 00:09:43,544 Speaker 2: Once upon a Time in Hollywood because Shannon Tate was 208 00:09:43,624 --> 00:09:46,544 Speaker 2: murdered really brutally, and a lot of people have taken 209 00:09:46,864 --> 00:09:49,024 Speaker 2: the story of this like glamorous young actress who was 210 00:09:49,144 --> 00:09:52,344 Speaker 2: murdered and made it very I guess, being disrespectful in 211 00:09:52,384 --> 00:09:54,464 Speaker 2: the telling of it, and people did think that maybe 212 00:09:54,544 --> 00:09:57,904 Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino's movie was leaning into that a little bit 213 00:09:58,384 --> 00:10:02,024 Speaker 2: and was the actress cause playing as her, which was 214 00:10:02,104 --> 00:10:04,184 Speaker 2: what people were worried about, But then it came out 215 00:10:04,224 --> 00:10:06,664 Speaker 2: that her family were quite supportive of the movie and 216 00:10:06,744 --> 00:10:09,384 Speaker 2: the movie once you watched it, there was obviously a 217 00:10:09,384 --> 00:10:12,464 Speaker 2: lot of care taken with Margot Robbie's performance as Sharon Tate, 218 00:10:12,544 --> 00:10:14,784 Speaker 2: and it gave her this happy ending that she never 219 00:10:14,864 --> 00:10:17,064 Speaker 2: got to have in real life. So when you saw it, like, oh, 220 00:10:17,144 --> 00:10:18,944 Speaker 2: but it was touch and go there for a while, 221 00:10:19,024 --> 00:10:21,424 Speaker 2: like that she was couseplaying as a dead woman. And 222 00:10:21,424 --> 00:10:23,544 Speaker 2: then you've also got actors who come in and take 223 00:10:23,584 --> 00:10:27,424 Speaker 2: over franchises and have people say like are they being disrespectful, 224 00:10:27,424 --> 00:10:29,944 Speaker 2: which is something that Rachel Zegler had when she came 225 00:10:29,984 --> 00:10:32,584 Speaker 2: in and did the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, which 226 00:10:32,584 --> 00:10:35,304 Speaker 2: was The Hunger Game's prequel, and to the Red Carpet 227 00:10:35,304 --> 00:10:38,104 Speaker 2: of that, she wore that Alexander McQueen dress that almost 228 00:10:38,144 --> 00:10:40,184 Speaker 2: looked like it had all the flames coming off the water. 229 00:10:40,304 --> 00:10:43,024 Speaker 2: I do remember that, which was an homage to Catnus 230 00:10:43,024 --> 00:10:45,824 Speaker 2: Everdeen played by Jennifer Lawrence in the original movies, as 231 00:10:45,864 --> 00:10:47,824 Speaker 2: a way to tie it in. But again people were 232 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:50,784 Speaker 2: angry at her thinking that she could be Jennifer Lawrence, 233 00:10:50,784 --> 00:10:53,584 Speaker 2: who also infamously themed dress and a lot of golden 234 00:10:53,704 --> 00:10:56,784 Speaker 2: flame for the first Hunger Games Pressed tour. And then 235 00:10:56,864 --> 00:10:58,904 Speaker 2: people did like it, and I think because Jennifer Lawrence 236 00:10:58,944 --> 00:11:01,504 Speaker 2: came in and said that dress looked amazing and she 237 00:11:01,704 --> 00:11:03,264 Speaker 2: was like excited to see the movie, it kind of 238 00:11:03,304 --> 00:11:04,024 Speaker 2: smoothed the way. 239 00:11:04,144 --> 00:11:06,504 Speaker 1: So the people don't at the moment or really haven't 240 00:11:06,504 --> 00:11:07,944 Speaker 1: really liked Rachel Zegler, which is. 241 00:11:07,864 --> 00:11:11,784 Speaker 2: Sad, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, but Madam Web, Like this year, 242 00:11:11,984 --> 00:11:15,064 Speaker 2: Dakota Johnson was wearing all the spider web dresses and 243 00:11:15,104 --> 00:11:17,224 Speaker 2: not to be confused with the spider web dresses that 244 00:11:17,744 --> 00:11:20,744 Speaker 2: Zendaeia wore on all the Spider Man Far from Home 245 00:11:21,304 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 2: red carpets, but Dakota Johnson infamously wore like a lot 246 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:28,824 Speaker 2: of different gowns with either spiderwebs woven into them or 247 00:11:28,864 --> 00:11:30,784 Speaker 2: the dress that looked like it was all made of webbing. 248 00:11:31,224 --> 00:11:33,704 Speaker 2: And before people saw the movie and started hating it, 249 00:11:33,784 --> 00:11:36,624 Speaker 2: they were really loving. Like she was making so many headlines, 250 00:11:36,904 --> 00:11:39,664 Speaker 2: which is the whole point of these outfits is to 251 00:11:40,464 --> 00:11:43,264 Speaker 2: generate a lot of press before the movies. Like there 252 00:11:43,344 --> 00:11:45,824 Speaker 2: was a time I think actresses did that by wearing 253 00:11:45,944 --> 00:11:49,024 Speaker 2: very daring dresses or very opulent dresses. But I think 254 00:11:49,064 --> 00:11:51,664 Speaker 2: now that's not going to cut through as much as 255 00:11:51,664 --> 00:11:53,864 Speaker 2: you know if from doing the headlines on Mamma Mea. 256 00:11:54,024 --> 00:11:56,704 Speaker 2: Nothing cuts through like the hidden meetings in their dress. 257 00:11:56,824 --> 00:11:59,144 Speaker 1: As someone who is such a fan of theme dressing 258 00:11:59,144 --> 00:12:01,424 Speaker 1: and was at the beginning, there's one main reason that 259 00:12:01,544 --> 00:12:02,464 Speaker 1: it's kind of losing me. 260 00:12:02,544 --> 00:12:04,904 Speaker 3: We'll talk about that after the break Nana. 261 00:12:06,224 --> 00:12:09,024 Speaker 1: So as I was saying, the problem with this is 262 00:12:09,144 --> 00:12:12,624 Speaker 1: that these celebrities have kind of set a benchmark and 263 00:12:12,744 --> 00:12:17,624 Speaker 1: going forward, every up and coming big leading lady is 264 00:12:17,664 --> 00:12:19,784 Speaker 1: going to go I have to dress in theme for 265 00:12:19,824 --> 00:12:22,024 Speaker 1: my movie to get noticed, to get people talking about me. 266 00:12:22,304 --> 00:12:23,544 Speaker 3: It's going to become the norm. 267 00:12:23,904 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 1: And it's the same thing that happened with the Met Gala. 268 00:12:26,784 --> 00:12:30,384 Speaker 1: Every year, famous people are trying to outdo each other 269 00:12:30,544 --> 00:12:33,744 Speaker 1: in the outfits tied to the theme. But it was 270 00:12:33,824 --> 00:12:36,584 Speaker 1: never supposed to be that way, so designed tom Ford. 271 00:12:36,904 --> 00:12:40,104 Speaker 1: He famously spoke to fashion watter Amy O'Dell for her 272 00:12:40,224 --> 00:12:44,504 Speaker 1: book Anna the Biography, which is her unofficial autobiography of 273 00:12:44,664 --> 00:12:46,944 Speaker 1: Anna Windor, and he said the Met used to be 274 00:12:47,184 --> 00:12:50,184 Speaker 1: just very chic people wearing beautiful clothes going to an 275 00:12:50,184 --> 00:12:53,544 Speaker 1: exhibition about the eighteenth century. You didn't have to look 276 00:12:53,664 --> 00:12:55,864 Speaker 1: like the eighteenth century. You didn't have to dress like 277 00:12:55,864 --> 00:12:58,224 Speaker 1: a hamburger. You didn't have to arrive in a van 278 00:12:58,504 --> 00:13:00,464 Speaker 1: where you were standing up because you couldn't sit down 279 00:13:00,464 --> 00:13:01,744 Speaker 1: because you're wearing a chandelier. 280 00:13:01,944 --> 00:13:04,784 Speaker 2: I mean, the chandlier and the hamburger. That's some Katie 281 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,984 Speaker 2: Perry slender like. 282 00:13:07,024 --> 00:13:11,344 Speaker 1: Katy Perry, but it's so true now going forward, I 283 00:13:11,384 --> 00:13:12,944 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not even gonna try and like come 284 00:13:13,024 --> 00:13:14,304 Speaker 1: up with a little mermaid. 285 00:13:14,344 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 3: You're gonna be having to wear she did wear. 286 00:13:16,744 --> 00:13:18,544 Speaker 1: But I know I'm trying to think of something because 287 00:13:18,544 --> 00:13:21,384 Speaker 1: now everybody's doing it, and it's just gonna be like, oh, 288 00:13:21,464 --> 00:13:25,104 Speaker 1: here we go again. It's not daring, it's not exciting. 289 00:13:25,504 --> 00:13:27,584 Speaker 1: I think it'll never get old for me with Zenda 290 00:13:27,584 --> 00:13:29,944 Speaker 1: and Lawroach, because they push the boundaries sometimes, you know, 291 00:13:29,984 --> 00:13:32,384 Speaker 1: in just such a subtle way, like even with her 292 00:13:32,544 --> 00:13:36,224 Speaker 1: she famously wears Christian Liberton kated heels and they popped 293 00:13:36,304 --> 00:13:39,424 Speaker 1: a tennis ball through the actual heel of the shoes 294 00:13:39,664 --> 00:13:43,344 Speaker 1: and that was just cool, but making the whole outfit 295 00:13:43,384 --> 00:13:46,344 Speaker 1: about it, which Blake Lively did with It ends with Us. 296 00:13:46,744 --> 00:13:49,544 Speaker 1: It feels a bit forced, well specifically that movie, which 297 00:13:49,544 --> 00:13:52,824 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it a second, but I don't know, 298 00:13:52,864 --> 00:13:54,864 Speaker 1: it's just it's not surprising, it's not fun. 299 00:13:55,224 --> 00:13:57,624 Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing on that note is obviously 300 00:13:57,664 --> 00:14:00,064 Speaker 2: it's there to generate headlines, which is very important to 301 00:14:00,624 --> 00:14:02,584 Speaker 2: the whole point of these is to generate pressy at 302 00:14:02,584 --> 00:14:04,584 Speaker 2: people to come to the movies. But I think also 303 00:14:04,704 --> 00:14:06,904 Speaker 2: a lot of the actors have said it also gives 304 00:14:06,944 --> 00:14:09,144 Speaker 2: them like a sense of safety on the red carpet 305 00:14:09,184 --> 00:14:12,504 Speaker 2: because they're these press tours. They've been photographed all day, 306 00:14:12,704 --> 00:14:14,864 Speaker 2: they're doing these junkets, and if you've gone into a junket, 307 00:14:14,864 --> 00:14:16,464 Speaker 2: which I only go into them to do my intere 308 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:18,584 Speaker 2: and leave, and I'm exhausted from that from being there 309 00:14:18,584 --> 00:14:20,904 Speaker 2: for a few hours. But sometimes by the time I 310 00:14:20,944 --> 00:14:23,544 Speaker 2: get to talk to these people, they've already done twenty 311 00:14:23,624 --> 00:14:26,184 Speaker 2: interviews because they started with breakfast radio at five in 312 00:14:26,184 --> 00:14:28,504 Speaker 2: the morning, and then they're going through to doing late 313 00:14:28,584 --> 00:14:31,184 Speaker 2: night TV that's finishing at eight o'clock at night, answering 314 00:14:31,264 --> 00:14:33,744 Speaker 2: questions over and over again, which is fine, it's their job, 315 00:14:34,064 --> 00:14:36,144 Speaker 2: but I do think if they've got these looks where 316 00:14:36,144 --> 00:14:38,424 Speaker 2: they're dressing like their character and it becomes part of 317 00:14:38,424 --> 00:14:40,944 Speaker 2: the narrative of the story, it does help them to 318 00:14:41,024 --> 00:14:43,304 Speaker 2: have a conversation around that. And because I was saying 319 00:14:43,344 --> 00:14:45,384 Speaker 2: to Zendea when I interviewed her when she was in 320 00:14:45,424 --> 00:14:47,224 Speaker 2: Sydney for Challenges and she was doing, like just the 321 00:14:47,264 --> 00:14:49,904 Speaker 2: night before, she'd worn the dress with a tennis player printed. 322 00:14:49,624 --> 00:14:53,384 Speaker 3: All the ways like that was it was incredible. 323 00:14:53,544 --> 00:14:55,064 Speaker 2: I've got to say I loved it when I saw 324 00:14:55,064 --> 00:14:56,584 Speaker 2: her get out of the car and I saw the dress, 325 00:14:56,624 --> 00:14:58,904 Speaker 2: and when I saw the tennis player on the dress, 326 00:14:58,944 --> 00:15:00,504 Speaker 2: I was like, are we taking it too far? But 327 00:15:00,544 --> 00:15:02,584 Speaker 2: then it was to generate publicity, which she did so, 328 00:15:03,024 --> 00:15:05,624 Speaker 2: and she was saying that she just goes into character 329 00:15:05,664 --> 00:15:09,024 Speaker 2: when she's on the press tours, and wearing those outfits 330 00:15:09,144 --> 00:15:11,184 Speaker 2: is a really important part of that. And Blake Lively 331 00:15:11,264 --> 00:15:13,624 Speaker 2: has said that as well, that it helps her get 332 00:15:13,664 --> 00:15:16,424 Speaker 2: into character for when she's having this very public moment. 333 00:15:16,824 --> 00:15:19,584 Speaker 2: She's also someone who loves fashion and loves dressing and 334 00:15:19,664 --> 00:15:22,944 Speaker 2: theme and loves going big and very much dresses. I 335 00:15:22,984 --> 00:15:26,064 Speaker 2: think to please, likes to please the normies, to please 336 00:15:26,104 --> 00:15:28,344 Speaker 2: fans not to please her fashion community. 337 00:15:28,504 --> 00:15:30,864 Speaker 1: Famously, every year people want who people want to see 338 00:15:30,904 --> 00:15:33,784 Speaker 1: in the red carpet at the Mechaala, Blake Lavely and 339 00:15:33,864 --> 00:15:36,384 Speaker 1: Zendea because they push the boundary every single. 340 00:15:36,104 --> 00:15:38,104 Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about that maybe not as much 341 00:15:38,104 --> 00:15:41,344 Speaker 2: but Zendea, but with Blake Lively, like the actual fashion 342 00:15:41,384 --> 00:15:43,784 Speaker 2: community and fashion critics and people in that space do 343 00:15:43,864 --> 00:15:46,784 Speaker 2: not think she's a good dressers to not get excited, 344 00:15:46,784 --> 00:15:48,024 Speaker 2: But I think she's dressing for us. 345 00:15:48,184 --> 00:15:50,784 Speaker 1: Yes, it's exactly the same with Taylor Swift. Yes she's 346 00:15:50,864 --> 00:15:53,584 Speaker 1: not dressing for the fashion critics. She's dressing for her fans. 347 00:15:53,864 --> 00:15:56,184 Speaker 1: She dresses in like kind of a moral relatable way 348 00:15:56,184 --> 00:15:58,144 Speaker 1: when she's not performing or it's fun when she is. 349 00:15:58,344 --> 00:16:00,504 Speaker 2: Exactly I think she goes into character as well as 350 00:16:00,544 --> 00:16:03,104 Speaker 2: it's kind of every woman, but with Blake Lively and 351 00:16:03,184 --> 00:16:05,584 Speaker 2: it ends with us. Like I think it was maybe 352 00:16:05,624 --> 00:16:07,744 Speaker 2: a smart idea to do it when she was first 353 00:16:07,864 --> 00:16:09,864 Speaker 2: leading into like a little bit of press for the 354 00:16:09,904 --> 00:16:12,424 Speaker 2: movie because her character is Lily Bloom and shearing the 355 00:16:12,464 --> 00:16:14,424 Speaker 2: Flower Shop and all that sort of stuff, So she 356 00:16:14,464 --> 00:16:17,424 Speaker 2: was wearing very floral inspired outfits and it really worked 357 00:16:17,464 --> 00:16:18,184 Speaker 2: for a little while there. 358 00:16:18,264 --> 00:16:20,064 Speaker 1: I loved it at the beginning, and it always looked 359 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:21,384 Speaker 1: like what she would wear anyway. 360 00:16:21,424 --> 00:16:23,664 Speaker 3: It's so blake, lively, it's so colorble, it's so over there. 361 00:16:23,704 --> 00:16:26,304 Speaker 2: It didn't not costume me. I think where the misstep 362 00:16:26,344 --> 00:16:27,864 Speaker 2: happened with that, And obviously there was quite a few 363 00:16:27,864 --> 00:16:30,384 Speaker 2: missteps with some of the rollout of the press and 364 00:16:30,464 --> 00:16:33,664 Speaker 2: the marketing around that, But was that when people would 365 00:16:33,704 --> 00:16:35,504 Speaker 2: ask her about the theme of the movies, then she 366 00:16:35,504 --> 00:16:38,024 Speaker 2: would change the conversation. In some interviews, some of them 367 00:16:38,024 --> 00:16:39,824 Speaker 2: have obviously been cut up and put out in a 368 00:16:39,864 --> 00:16:42,744 Speaker 2: strange way, that she would change the conversation to what 369 00:16:42,784 --> 00:16:45,184 Speaker 2: she was wearing, or she would make the point of 370 00:16:45,184 --> 00:16:47,344 Speaker 2: the interview about what she was wearing. And I think 371 00:16:47,344 --> 00:16:49,504 Speaker 2: if she hadn't done that, she could have worn the 372 00:16:49,544 --> 00:16:52,104 Speaker 2: flower outfits on the Red carpet and it would have 373 00:16:52,144 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 2: been fine if what she was saying was different. It's 374 00:16:55,264 --> 00:16:56,944 Speaker 2: kind of like when she was in that Woody Allen 375 00:16:56,984 --> 00:16:59,664 Speaker 2: movie and she was at the Carnt Film Festival and 376 00:16:59,664 --> 00:17:02,424 Speaker 2: she looked incredible and people were trying to ask her 377 00:17:02,424 --> 00:17:04,864 Speaker 2: about women in Woody Allen themes and women in Hollywood 378 00:17:04,864 --> 00:17:06,744 Speaker 2: on the Red carpet and she didn't want to interact 379 00:17:06,784 --> 00:17:08,824 Speaker 2: with it at all. She just wanted to talk about 380 00:17:08,864 --> 00:17:11,584 Speaker 2: what she was wearing, which maybe it's just her level, 381 00:17:11,624 --> 00:17:12,984 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Maybe that's what she wants 382 00:17:13,024 --> 00:17:16,784 Speaker 2: to discuss. And I think that didn't land. But it's 383 00:17:16,864 --> 00:17:19,104 Speaker 2: now that we have a bigger social media presence around 384 00:17:19,144 --> 00:17:22,584 Speaker 2: these press rollouts, it got escalated to a sense where 385 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:24,984 Speaker 2: people were angry at her, Whereas I think if she 386 00:17:24,984 --> 00:17:27,104 Speaker 2: had just worn the Flower outfits talked about the themes 387 00:17:27,104 --> 00:17:28,864 Speaker 2: of the movie in a more general way, it would 388 00:17:28,904 --> 00:17:31,344 Speaker 2: have been fine. But I've got to say, at first, 389 00:17:31,344 --> 00:17:34,304 Speaker 2: when I saw her wearing the iconic Britney Spears dress 390 00:17:35,064 --> 00:17:37,544 Speaker 2: at the first It Ends with Us premiere, so there 391 00:17:37,584 --> 00:17:39,384 Speaker 2: was so much hype of like, she's won all these 392 00:17:39,384 --> 00:17:40,784 Speaker 2: outfits and the lead up, what is she going to 393 00:17:40,864 --> 00:17:43,304 Speaker 2: wear to the actual first premiere when all the cast 394 00:17:43,424 --> 00:17:45,424 Speaker 2: is there, and it was so exciting, And she had 395 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:48,424 Speaker 2: also just been to the Deadpool and Wolverine premiere where 396 00:17:48,464 --> 00:17:50,624 Speaker 2: everyone was pretty sure she was Lady Deadpool but we 397 00:17:50,664 --> 00:17:53,184 Speaker 2: didn't know, and she was wearing the Deadpool and Spired 398 00:17:53,264 --> 00:17:56,944 Speaker 2: outfit and like lazy yeah, and the dining ron and stuff, 399 00:17:56,984 --> 00:17:59,784 Speaker 2: which I kind of and GG was wearing Wolverine GG 400 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:01,504 Speaker 2: had did was wearing wolverine yellow. 401 00:18:01,584 --> 00:18:05,104 Speaker 3: Why was she there? They're just friends, That's okay, makes sense. Well, 402 00:18:05,144 --> 00:18:06,224 Speaker 3: then she had someone to. 403 00:18:06,184 --> 00:18:08,224 Speaker 2: Do press with. People were angry about that. I actually 404 00:18:08,224 --> 00:18:09,984 Speaker 2: think it's okay. GG was there. You just bring your 405 00:18:09,984 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 2: friend something. And then they had theme dressed together. It's 406 00:18:13,024 --> 00:18:14,184 Speaker 2: very not in the movie. 407 00:18:14,264 --> 00:18:16,184 Speaker 3: She's the white. It doesn't make sense he'll. 408 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:18,104 Speaker 2: Be I just think sometimes you can bring a friend 409 00:18:18,104 --> 00:18:21,624 Speaker 2: to an event. Anyway, putting that aside of our throw 410 00:18:21,664 --> 00:18:24,104 Speaker 2: it down over Blake and Genie's friendship to that. When 411 00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:26,544 Speaker 2: Blake Lavely got out of the car, she was wearing 412 00:18:26,584 --> 00:18:29,864 Speaker 2: a Venture to Versachi dress. And why this particular dress 413 00:18:29,904 --> 00:18:32,784 Speaker 2: is so iconic is that Britney Spears had worn it 414 00:18:32,984 --> 00:18:35,264 Speaker 2: at a Vasachi fashion show in two thousand and two. 415 00:18:35,304 --> 00:18:38,264 Speaker 2: She was wildly photographed. Those photos went everywhere, and this 416 00:18:38,304 --> 00:18:42,344 Speaker 2: particular dress has become very synonymous with Britney Spears at 417 00:18:42,464 --> 00:18:44,664 Speaker 2: the real height of a lot of love for her, 418 00:18:45,144 --> 00:18:47,624 Speaker 2: and there's so many photos of her in that dress, 419 00:18:47,664 --> 00:18:49,984 Speaker 2: and Donna Tella Versaci has talked about the importance of 420 00:18:49,984 --> 00:18:52,184 Speaker 2: her wearing that dress, and we haven't seen it since 421 00:18:52,264 --> 00:18:54,304 Speaker 2: two thousand and two, so you know, going back quite 422 00:18:54,304 --> 00:18:57,144 Speaker 2: a while now. And when Blake was on the Red Carpet, 423 00:18:57,144 --> 00:18:58,904 Speaker 2: people were asking her about it, and she was talking 424 00:18:58,904 --> 00:19:01,544 Speaker 2: about how much she loves Britney Spears, which Blake Lively 425 00:19:01,544 --> 00:19:02,944 Speaker 2: and I a pretty much the same age, so a 426 00:19:03,024 --> 00:19:06,224 Speaker 2: relatable like for an elder millennial, Britney Spears is like 427 00:19:06,304 --> 00:19:09,504 Speaker 2: peak like out worship. So I understand the excitement of that. 428 00:19:09,944 --> 00:19:12,664 Speaker 2: But then the next day I was like, that didn't 429 00:19:12,664 --> 00:19:15,424 Speaker 2: make any sense. It was a theme dressing in a 430 00:19:15,464 --> 00:19:17,544 Speaker 2: way because it has flowers on it and it was colorful, 431 00:19:17,624 --> 00:19:19,904 Speaker 2: so it fit the movie, it fit Blake Lively. But 432 00:19:19,944 --> 00:19:22,584 Speaker 2: I just feel like you took Britney Spears dress and 433 00:19:22,664 --> 00:19:25,784 Speaker 2: wore it and didn't really make a statement about it. 434 00:19:25,784 --> 00:19:27,104 Speaker 2: But then also maybe you didn't have to make a 435 00:19:27,104 --> 00:19:29,184 Speaker 2: statement at Britney that's not really your place. But it 436 00:19:29,224 --> 00:19:31,184 Speaker 2: was like it felt like the biggest grab for a 437 00:19:31,224 --> 00:19:33,584 Speaker 2: headline that felt also very unearned. I think that was 438 00:19:33,624 --> 00:19:35,784 Speaker 2: my issue was it felt unearned. It felt like I 439 00:19:35,824 --> 00:19:37,544 Speaker 2: need to make a headline, I need to do something, 440 00:19:37,584 --> 00:19:39,464 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna wear a dress worn by Britney Spears 441 00:19:39,504 --> 00:19:42,424 Speaker 2: because her name always gets headlines and conflate the two 442 00:19:42,624 --> 00:19:44,624 Speaker 2: and that will bring the press I need instead of 443 00:19:44,664 --> 00:19:47,264 Speaker 2: picking a different dress and trying to make it work 444 00:19:47,344 --> 00:19:47,624 Speaker 2: like that. 445 00:19:47,984 --> 00:19:49,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, she actually could have worn anything else, like there 446 00:19:49,904 --> 00:19:51,024 Speaker 1: were so many other options. 447 00:19:51,384 --> 00:19:52,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how to feel. 448 00:19:52,704 --> 00:19:55,784 Speaker 1: About that as someone who of course was a fan 449 00:19:55,824 --> 00:19:57,944 Speaker 1: of Brittany and I love her, I don't know. 450 00:19:57,944 --> 00:20:00,504 Speaker 2: I think Blake and Brittany was like happy with it, 451 00:20:00,504 --> 00:20:02,624 Speaker 2: we should chase like that's absolutely, but. 452 00:20:02,584 --> 00:20:05,184 Speaker 1: It just made no sense there and then to wear it. 453 00:20:05,544 --> 00:20:07,704 Speaker 1: She never said, it's just everything you say is so 454 00:20:07,944 --> 00:20:10,824 Speaker 1: on point about that. But I think I think Blake 455 00:20:10,904 --> 00:20:13,544 Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes during that press to just 456 00:20:13,544 --> 00:20:14,224 Speaker 1: from what we've seen. 457 00:20:14,264 --> 00:20:16,304 Speaker 2: Yes, and obviously the dress is the lowest end, like 458 00:20:16,344 --> 00:20:17,064 Speaker 2: it didn't matter. 459 00:20:16,904 --> 00:20:22,744 Speaker 1: That absolutely, but it's just that with everything else that happened, 460 00:20:22,784 --> 00:20:25,544 Speaker 1: I think it's actually really left bad taste everyone's mouth 461 00:20:25,584 --> 00:20:27,664 Speaker 1: when it comes to theme dressing, which is quite sad. 462 00:20:27,944 --> 00:20:29,704 Speaker 2: It also I think goes to show that if you 463 00:20:29,784 --> 00:20:32,024 Speaker 2: really love the person, you'll just forgive anything, Like I 464 00:20:32,024 --> 00:20:34,344 Speaker 2: don't think anyone would have been thinking anything bad about 465 00:20:34,384 --> 00:20:36,704 Speaker 2: in the Britney Spears for start to dress if the 466 00:20:36,744 --> 00:20:39,064 Speaker 2: rest of the press tour had rolled out in a 467 00:20:39,104 --> 00:20:40,984 Speaker 2: really pausing way. It just goes to show that, like 468 00:20:41,024 --> 00:20:44,104 Speaker 2: how much with this theme dressing on red carpets, we 469 00:20:44,144 --> 00:20:46,584 Speaker 2: can really get past anything if we feel very on 470 00:20:46,624 --> 00:20:48,464 Speaker 2: the side of the start. It just depends which way 471 00:20:48,544 --> 00:20:51,104 Speaker 2: the press like pendulum is swinging in that moment. But 472 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:53,304 Speaker 2: I also think that once you get on that theme 473 00:20:53,384 --> 00:20:56,544 Speaker 2: dressing train, you have to keep like going at full speed, 474 00:20:56,544 --> 00:20:58,504 Speaker 2: and then eventually the train just has to stop because 475 00:20:58,504 --> 00:21:00,944 Speaker 2: you've reached you've reached your destination. To keep going with 476 00:21:00,944 --> 00:21:01,864 Speaker 2: that metaphor. 477 00:21:01,504 --> 00:21:03,664 Speaker 1: Well, I bet my money that Blake will keep going 478 00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:05,664 Speaker 1: because I guess what's coming out with her A simple 479 00:21:05,704 --> 00:21:09,064 Speaker 1: favor two. Thanks for listening to the skill today. We'll 480 00:21:09,064 --> 00:21:11,144 Speaker 1: see you on Mama men dot com day you and 481 00:21:11,264 --> 00:21:13,624 Speaker 1: back you in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 482 00:21:13,864 --> 00:21:21,384 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Bye bye