WEBVTT - US Election Emergency Meeting: Not Again 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:19.807 that this podcast is recorded on out louders. Welcome to 0:00:19.847 --> 0:00:24.127 our emergency meeting about the American election. If you've listened 0:00:24.127 --> 0:00:26.327 to the main show or you're going to, you'll know 0:00:26.367 --> 0:00:28.527 that we've kind of thrown everything out. We're starting again 0:00:29.087 --> 0:00:32.287 because we wanted America like America is, because we wanted 0:00:32.287 --> 0:00:34.807 to meet you where you are right now. It is 0:00:34.847 --> 0:00:38.527 as we're recording this nearly four o'clock on Wednesday afternoon. 0:00:38.687 --> 0:00:42.807 I am joined by Mia and Jesse and Amelia Lester, 0:00:43.327 --> 0:00:45.887 and we are doing a temperature take of where we're at. 0:00:45.927 --> 0:00:48.247 This is what's just happened as we're sitting down. 0:00:48.567 --> 0:00:49.647 The temperature is not great. 0:00:49.807 --> 0:00:53.127 The temperature is not great. And Nate Cohene, who is 0:00:53.127 --> 0:00:55.887 the New York Times statistician, has pretty much called the 0:00:55.927 --> 0:00:59.367 election for Trump. He said, for the first time tonight, 0:00:59.447 --> 0:01:02.647 we consider Trump likely to win the presidency. He has 0:01:02.647 --> 0:01:06.647 an advantage in each of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. To win, 0:01:06.807 --> 0:01:09.647 Harris would need to sweep all three. There's still a 0:01:09.647 --> 0:01:11.487 lot of vote left, but in the voting so far 0:01:11.647 --> 0:01:15.687 Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead. The Harris camp, as 0:01:15.687 --> 0:01:18.807 we're talking, are not anywhere near conceding. They say that 0:01:18.847 --> 0:01:21.287 the swing states yet to come through are looking strong 0:01:21.367 --> 0:01:24.247 on voter turnout for the Democrats. But if you're watching 0:01:24.287 --> 0:01:27.727 that terrible Needly graph on a newspaper homepage and feeling 0:01:27.727 --> 0:01:31.287 a sense of dread, we've got you. We're here, Amelia, 0:01:31.487 --> 0:01:32.887 tell us where are we at? 0:01:33.207 --> 0:01:35.127 I think you put that perfectly, Holly. 0:01:35.287 --> 0:01:37.847 I have to speak here, not as a journalist, but 0:01:37.967 --> 0:01:42.887 as an American, and as a woman, and as a parent. 0:01:43.127 --> 0:01:47.527 I won't say mother, as a parent, and I feel devastated. 0:01:47.807 --> 0:01:51.007 And that's because this was not a normal election. In 0:01:51.047 --> 0:01:54.447 a normal election, I wouldn't tell you how I felt 0:01:54.487 --> 0:01:58.127 about the result. But the problem here is that this 0:01:58.327 --> 0:02:01.207 was not a normal election. This was not a normal candidate. 0:02:01.527 --> 0:02:05.167 He's been found liable for sexual assault. He currently has 0:02:05.207 --> 0:02:09.407 four active criminal cases against him. He tried to overturn 0:02:09.287 --> 0:02:12.567 an election violently that my husband was caught up in 0:02:12.607 --> 0:02:14.967 and I thought he was going to die in And 0:02:15.367 --> 0:02:19.567 he calls women really horrible names. I'm not even getting 0:02:19.567 --> 0:02:22.687 into his policy there. No, I'm not talking about his policies. 0:02:22.767 --> 0:02:25.847 I'm talking about why this is not a normal elections. 0:02:25.967 --> 0:02:27.807 Did you feel that way in twenty sixteen? 0:02:28.127 --> 0:02:30.887 I mean, this is very reminiscent of the emergency meeting 0:02:30.887 --> 0:02:33.487 we had in twenty sixteen. Although it does feel different. Then, 0:02:34.887 --> 0:02:37.847 we all thought it was a lay down for Hillary. 0:02:37.967 --> 0:02:38.487 I'm with her. 0:02:38.647 --> 0:02:41.087 We came to work in our pantsuits, We pre recorded 0:02:41.087 --> 0:02:43.367 a whole lot of content about the first female president. 0:02:44.167 --> 0:02:46.887 He seemed like such a buffoon to us and such 0:02:47.167 --> 0:02:48.927 grabbed you by the pussy like all of that. We 0:02:49.047 --> 0:02:51.967 thought he was such a disqualified candidate in terms of 0:02:52.327 --> 0:02:55.047 no one would ever vote for him. So when he won, 0:02:56.087 --> 0:03:00.887 there was absolute shock and disbelief, which then became quite 0:03:01.007 --> 0:03:04.527 energizing in a way and led to like the pink 0:03:04.567 --> 0:03:07.287 pussy hats in the street and in some ways me too, 0:03:07.447 --> 0:03:09.087 and in many ways me too probably was. 0:03:09.327 --> 0:03:13.247 Action to that. This feels different. I don't think. 0:03:13.367 --> 0:03:16.407 Yeah, I don't feel shocked today like a normous I 0:03:16.447 --> 0:03:19.487 don't feel shocked, disappointment or even trying to get our 0:03:19.727 --> 0:03:23.487 head around the ramifications of it. But do you feel shock, Amelia? 0:03:23.647 --> 0:03:24.807 No, I don't feel shocked. 0:03:24.807 --> 0:03:25.767 How is it different for you? 0:03:25.927 --> 0:03:28.527 Yeah? Twenty an interesting question about how it feels different 0:03:28.527 --> 0:03:29.207 to twenty sixteen. 0:03:29.247 --> 0:03:32.327 The way I think it's different is January. 0:03:31.887 --> 0:03:36.247 Sixth, in particular, because we knew he was a sexist, 0:03:36.327 --> 0:03:40.527 and he said horrible things about immigrants, and he just 0:03:40.527 --> 0:03:41.807 seemed like an unpleasant person. 0:03:42.407 --> 0:03:45.207 But and he was unqualified, and he was you couldn't 0:03:45.207 --> 0:03:48.247 have policy agrifts with people, and in twenty sixteen we 0:03:48.287 --> 0:03:50.887 could convince ourselves that maybe this was going to be 0:03:50.887 --> 0:03:54.847 about policy. Different because remember, people will like take him seriously, 0:03:54.887 --> 0:03:56.047 but don't take him literally. 0:03:56.087 --> 0:03:57.407 This is not about policy. 0:03:57.687 --> 0:04:00.967 This is about what it says about how we think 0:04:01.007 --> 0:04:05.127 about women, how we think about living in a democracy. 0:04:05.287 --> 0:04:06.927 These are much more financial issues. 0:04:07.007 --> 0:04:09.767 That's also why there are a lot of women in 0:04:09.767 --> 0:04:12.327 Australia and all around the world who also are feeling 0:04:12.447 --> 0:04:14.887 very shaken by what it looks like about to happen. 0:04:14.927 --> 0:04:17.127 And often we get we don't live in America. 0:04:17.167 --> 0:04:17.727 Who cares? 0:04:17.807 --> 0:04:19.967 I mean, as an American, As you've said, Emilia, this 0:04:20.007 --> 0:04:22.447 is very different for you. But I think that's women 0:04:22.527 --> 0:04:26.327 feel that same visceral thing that given two choices here, 0:04:26.887 --> 0:04:30.607 but again between a capable, qualified woman and a man 0:04:30.647 --> 0:04:33.127 who openly whips up hatred against women. He is a 0:04:33.167 --> 0:04:36.407 convicted rapist, they still chose him. So we also need 0:04:36.447 --> 0:04:37.927 to be clear that the people might be listening to 0:04:38.007 --> 0:04:39.807 this later and things might look different, but it is 0:04:40.447 --> 0:04:41.287 so close. 0:04:41.447 --> 0:04:44.487 It doesn't actually matter if things look different later, because 0:04:45.087 --> 0:04:48.047 we still need to ask the question of how we 0:04:48.167 --> 0:04:52.207 got here. How I am sitting here biting my nails 0:04:52.727 --> 0:04:57.407 about this man being re closed to the so close 0:04:57.407 --> 0:04:59.967 to the presidency. Even if there's a miraculous turn around 0:05:00.007 --> 0:05:02.087 for Harris, that question still remains. 0:05:02.207 --> 0:05:04.567 I'm really disturbed by the gender split. So a lot 0:05:04.607 --> 0:05:06.807 of the research in the lead up was about how 0:05:06.847 --> 0:05:08.727 men were going one way and women were going another, 0:05:08.767 --> 0:05:11.887 And even the ads for Harris in the last minute 0:05:12.007 --> 0:05:14.007 was sort of about you know, your husband or your 0:05:14.007 --> 0:05:16.687 partner doesn't have to know that you're voting for her, 0:05:16.727 --> 0:05:19.647 that you're voting for her. It almost feels like men 0:05:19.767 --> 0:05:23.447 went and did something behind women's backs, and in that way, 0:05:23.487 --> 0:05:24.647 it feels really threat It's not. 0:05:24.847 --> 0:05:26.087 The floor, it's the feature. 0:05:26.367 --> 0:05:28.967 Oh, you were saying in the segment we recorded for 0:05:29.007 --> 0:05:30.527 the main show which we ended. 0:05:30.407 --> 0:05:34.127 Thrown in the bin talk about that rally. 0:05:33.927 --> 0:05:36.407 I was saying, how again, to the point of why 0:05:36.447 --> 0:05:41.167 women everywhere feel so despondent, panicky about this is In 0:05:41.207 --> 0:05:44.687 one of his final rallies, Trump was talking about Harris 0:05:44.727 --> 0:05:47.247 and he said she's crazy, she's stupid, all the things 0:05:47.247 --> 0:05:49.327 he usually said. And he said she's and he started 0:05:49.367 --> 0:05:51.847 to say the word bitch he said, and he said, no, no, 0:05:51.967 --> 0:05:53.607 I can't say that. I want to say that, but 0:05:53.647 --> 0:05:58.687 I won't, And the entire crowd started chanting bitch, bitch, bitch, 0:05:58.767 --> 0:06:01.567 and that when I even say that, now I get 0:06:01.647 --> 0:06:05.367 like a nausea and goosebumps. And I live on the 0:06:05.407 --> 0:06:06.367 other side of the world. 0:06:06.447 --> 0:06:10.767 You've just explained for me the connection between the idea 0:06:10.887 --> 0:06:13.367 of how women are feeling and then also the idea 0:06:13.407 --> 0:06:17.447 of what it means for democracy. I feel panicky because 0:06:17.527 --> 0:06:20.367 it feels like the rules that we all agreed on 0:06:20.567 --> 0:06:23.247 have broken down. One of those rules was about how 0:06:23.287 --> 0:06:25.847 elections are conducted, that you need to listen to the 0:06:25.887 --> 0:06:27.287 people and listen to. 0:06:27.207 --> 0:06:28.967 How they vote and respect those results. 0:06:29.327 --> 0:06:31.647 And now that is that you need to treat women 0:06:31.687 --> 0:06:34.767 with respect and like human beings. And that's why democracy 0:06:35.367 --> 0:06:37.847 and treating women this way are connected and make me 0:06:37.887 --> 0:06:40.487 feel panicky because it feels like there are no rules anymore. 0:06:40.607 --> 0:06:43.767 I remember in twenty sixteen when we spoke, Jacqueline Lunn 0:06:43.807 --> 0:06:46.767 was on the podcast and she said that she didn't 0:06:46.807 --> 0:06:48.287 know how to go home and talk to her kids 0:06:48.287 --> 0:06:49.927 about it, because she was like, I've spent my whole 0:06:49.927 --> 0:06:52.887 life trying to teach my kids that bullies are bad, 0:06:53.527 --> 0:06:55.647 and that, as you say, there's a number of rules, 0:06:55.687 --> 0:06:58.727 and we teach people not to be cheats or greedy or. 0:06:58.727 --> 0:07:01.007 Mean or rude or mock people call them. 0:07:01.287 --> 0:07:06.007 Arrogant or criminals or unprepared or sexist or racist or liars, 0:07:06.047 --> 0:07:08.367 whatever it is. And it feels this is the most 0:07:08.447 --> 0:07:10.487 ridiculous now, but it just shows where I'm at in 0:07:10.487 --> 0:07:13.007 my life. Amelia, do you know the song Wiggletown. 0:07:13.247 --> 0:07:13.927 It's a song. 0:07:13.767 --> 0:07:17.247 About everything being about Wiggletown. That's like it has like 0:07:17.487 --> 0:07:20.887 a short it's a tall the taller shore, the fish's fish, 0:07:20.887 --> 0:07:22.687 the men get caught anyway. It's in my house all 0:07:22.687 --> 0:07:24.647 the time, and I keep thinking, this is Wiggletown. It's 0:07:24.687 --> 0:07:28.567 like everything's upside down. It's like things are not as 0:07:28.607 --> 0:07:30.207 they're meant to be. And I think that's why we 0:07:30.247 --> 0:07:33.647 all feel so disoriented. It's like this isn't how the 0:07:33.687 --> 0:07:34.447 world works. 0:07:34.527 --> 0:07:36.567 You've also just made me think about the fact that 0:07:36.607 --> 0:07:38.327 I do have to go home and talk to my 0:07:38.367 --> 0:07:41.087 fourteen year old daughter about this. And we've talked about 0:07:41.127 --> 0:07:43.607 this before on hour shows about this with you, Amelia, 0:07:43.647 --> 0:07:45.887 that one of the things that makes Trump a very 0:07:45.927 --> 0:07:49.927 effective political figure is his color and movement and his 0:07:50.087 --> 0:07:52.647 fact he always plays a shock factor and that kids 0:07:52.647 --> 0:07:54.847 on TikTok understand who he is, right, you know, what 0:07:54.887 --> 0:07:58.247 I mean is drama. He's drama and they like that 0:07:58.287 --> 0:08:00.847 in a way. But yesterday she sent me a TikTok, 0:08:00.847 --> 0:08:03.287 because that's how we communicate these days. That was of 0:08:03.327 --> 0:08:05.767 an American who lives in Australia saying I just voted 0:08:06.407 --> 0:08:09.127 and his you know, the way that Australian Americans are voting. 0:08:09.287 --> 0:08:11.487 It was very much for Harris. And Matilda said with 0:08:11.527 --> 0:08:13.567 this stick talk and said can we vote? Can we 0:08:13.647 --> 0:08:16.007 vote against Donald Trump? And a that shows that my 0:08:16.127 --> 0:08:19.807 education is really poor, my daughter. But also, how do 0:08:19.887 --> 0:08:22.007 I say to her they chose that guy even though 0:08:22.047 --> 0:08:24.927 he leads arena chounting bitch. I hate to say it, 0:08:25.087 --> 0:08:26.047 somebody's got to say. 0:08:26.447 --> 0:08:29.087 In most states in America, in all states in America, 0:08:29.087 --> 0:08:31.767 you can't wear a T shirt that says Harris Woles 0:08:31.927 --> 0:08:34.687 or Trump for that matter, into a polling booth. You 0:08:34.687 --> 0:08:37.887 can't have any kind of political slogan on your T shirt. 0:08:38.087 --> 0:08:40.327 But in a lot of states you can openly carry 0:08:40.327 --> 0:08:41.847 a gun into the polling booth. 0:08:42.647 --> 0:08:45.927 Now, that is not a country that we can understand. 0:08:46.207 --> 0:08:48.407 And I want to be really careful because Amelia is here, 0:08:48.447 --> 0:08:51.567 and I don't want to say horrible things about America 0:08:51.607 --> 0:08:53.847 because you and I have had fights about that before. Amelia, 0:08:53.847 --> 0:08:54.527 I understand. 0:08:54.767 --> 0:08:58.087 But I got some news for you, Mia, and you're 0:08:58.127 --> 0:09:00.007 not going to like it. There was a poll done 0:09:00.007 --> 0:09:03.127 by Yugov last week in Australia and it showed that 0:09:03.207 --> 0:09:05.927 young men are breaking for Trump at twice the rate 0:09:06.047 --> 0:09:08.807 that young women are breaking. There's basically no women who 0:09:08.807 --> 0:09:10.447 support you, young women who support Trump? 0:09:10.687 --> 0:09:11.967 Why is that bad news? 0:09:12.127 --> 0:09:18.527 Because this is a global thing, sorry in Australia and 0:09:19.207 --> 0:09:24.327 this cultural moment where young men feel anger and like 0:09:24.407 --> 0:09:27.087 they hate women is not going to stay within the 0:09:27.087 --> 0:09:28.247 boundaries of one country. 0:09:28.247 --> 0:09:31.487 Who did Trump get like? Who did how did this happen? 0:09:31.567 --> 0:09:33.487 Who broke for Trump? Surprisingly? 0:09:33.487 --> 0:09:36.207 Because remember last time there was all that oh white 0:09:36.287 --> 0:09:40.167 women let America down because they voted for Trump more 0:09:40.207 --> 0:09:41.687 than they voted for Hillary. 0:09:41.487 --> 0:09:44.687 Or what's happened? Who's he won? Whose hearts and minds? 0:09:44.687 --> 0:09:45.487 Has he changed? 0:09:45.687 --> 0:09:48.647 Well, I would flip the question around and say that 0:09:48.687 --> 0:09:52.967 Harris didn't win any new groups and that's the problem. 0:09:53.407 --> 0:09:56.087 So Latinos, black men like you would have thought that 0:09:56.847 --> 0:09:59.127 black people would have voted for her. She's the first 0:09:59.207 --> 0:10:03.127 black female candidate. You know, we saw Obama move so 0:10:03.167 --> 0:10:06.447 many votes. Is it a case that the only thing 0:10:06.527 --> 0:10:10.607 worse than a racist rapist is a woman? Is that 0:10:10.647 --> 0:10:11.327 what a lot of people? 0:10:11.327 --> 0:10:15.327 Because well, Trump is the only president in American history 0:10:15.647 --> 0:10:18.567 to have beaten a woman once, potentially beaten a woman twice. 0:10:18.607 --> 0:10:22.127 And so we can see it as Trump chose words. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:10:22.167 --> 0:10:24.127 And we can see it as Trump winning, or we 0:10:24.127 --> 0:10:26.447 can see it as a woman really really losing. 0:10:26.527 --> 0:10:29.007 I want to contextualize a little bit, and this relates 0:10:29.007 --> 0:10:31.327 to your earlier point me out. So, first of all, yes, 0:10:31.487 --> 0:10:35.527 like in Australia, young men feel in similar ways to 0:10:35.567 --> 0:10:37.527 the way that we saw young men feeling in the 0:10:37.607 --> 0:10:41.007 United States. Secondly, incumbent governments all over the world are 0:10:41.007 --> 0:10:44.487 getting voted out. People are angry generally about the state 0:10:44.527 --> 0:10:46.887 of the world, and you've seen like in Europe, which 0:10:46.887 --> 0:10:49.367 we think of as a bastian of progressive ideals. In 0:10:49.447 --> 0:10:51.647 the Netherlands, they just voted in a far right guy. 0:10:51.847 --> 0:10:54.527 Don't you think that's also about concentrations bans. It's like 0:10:54.567 --> 0:10:57.887 this idea of continuity. I don't think anyone gets more 0:10:57.927 --> 0:10:59.847 than one term anymore. I think those days. 0:10:59.927 --> 0:11:01.767 I think it's also that there was a really good 0:11:01.807 --> 0:11:05.047 analysis by Adam mcgerney in the Sydney Morning Herald, which 0:11:05.047 --> 0:11:06.287 I think was first in the New York Times and 0:11:06.327 --> 0:11:09.087 it was republished. But he said that when citizens feel 0:11:09.087 --> 0:11:10.727 that the country is going in the wrong direction, they 0:11:10.807 --> 0:11:12.887 vote the opposite. So if you have a sense of 0:11:13.127 --> 0:11:17.047 distrust or you feel you're not happy with the current regime, 0:11:17.087 --> 0:11:19.087 then obviously you're going to vote for the other. 0:11:19.247 --> 0:11:21.087 I also heard it said that in twenty twenty Trump 0:11:21.167 --> 0:11:23.407 lost because of the pandemic, and in twenty twenty four 0:11:23.407 --> 0:11:26.567 he won because of the pandemics, meaning that our brains 0:11:26.607 --> 0:11:30.687 are broken. Everyone's so angry about the pandemic. The lockdowns 0:11:30.687 --> 0:11:33.487 are too long, they weren't enough lockdowns. They're angry about vaccines, 0:11:33.487 --> 0:11:37.607 they're angry about not vaccines. Everyone is angry, and why 0:11:37.647 --> 0:11:40.047 would you want to continue down one path when you 0:11:40.047 --> 0:11:41.047 can shake things up? 0:11:41.447 --> 0:11:44.567 Yeah, yeah, so Amelia, as Mia said, we're not sitting 0:11:44.567 --> 0:11:46.247 here going what's wrong with America. But the thing that 0:11:46.327 --> 0:11:48.847 is also very different from twenty sixteen is everybody knows 0:11:48.887 --> 0:11:51.127 exactly who Donald Trump is. Now, as you started this 0:11:51.247 --> 0:11:55.527 show laying out his credentials, shall we call him access Hollywood? 0:11:55.567 --> 0:11:57.927 Was maybe that was locker room talk. I mean, it 0:11:58.007 --> 0:11:59.807 wasn't entirely clear that he was going. 0:11:59.807 --> 0:12:03.087 To follow or as to the occasion, so said, everybody 0:12:03.127 --> 0:12:05.647 knows exactly who he is. They know exactly what he's 0:12:05.647 --> 0:12:08.167 capable of, exactly what he'll do, and America has still 0:12:08.247 --> 0:12:10.207 chosen him, like it does look at this point that 0:12:10.727 --> 0:12:13.887 he is going to win decisively. We don't know certainly, 0:12:13.927 --> 0:12:15.567 but it's looking like he is. He's also going to 0:12:15.567 --> 0:12:19.167 win the Senate. So America has chosen him. And when 0:12:19.167 --> 0:12:21.607 you're going to get asked, as you inevitably are a 0:12:21.687 --> 0:12:25.367 million times over the next few weeks, why have they 0:12:25.447 --> 0:12:26.767 chosen him? What are you going to say? 0:12:26.927 --> 0:12:29.167 Yeah, I'm glad that you raised it because me is 0:12:29.287 --> 0:12:32.487 right that we have had arguments about oh, maybe the 0:12:32.527 --> 0:12:34.967 whole of America is just irridimable. Not that you said that, 0:12:35.047 --> 0:12:37.847 but that's the sort of accusation I'm sensitive to. And 0:12:37.887 --> 0:12:40.407 I always want to point out to people how big 0:12:40.487 --> 0:12:44.287 America is, how diverse it is, and how polarized it is. 0:12:44.407 --> 0:12:47.727 So for instance, in Australia, I know labor voters and 0:12:47.767 --> 0:12:50.007 I know liberal voters. I don't even know whom most 0:12:50.007 --> 0:12:53.087 people vote for because they don't talk about it. In America, 0:12:53.127 --> 0:12:55.167 you know exactly who people vote for, and I have 0:12:55.247 --> 0:12:56.607 to tell you, and I'm going to sound like a 0:12:56.607 --> 0:12:59.527 close member of the media here. I don't know any 0:12:59.567 --> 0:13:04.247 Maga people at all. And that's how polarized it is. 0:13:04.367 --> 0:13:06.607 So I feel that there are many Americas. 0:13:06.887 --> 0:13:09.527 There's so many Americas. Someone asked me the other day 0:13:09.967 --> 0:13:12.087 how it was that in America it's so difficult to 0:13:12.127 --> 0:13:15.447 get an abortion, and yet you know, gay marriage came 0:13:15.487 --> 0:13:17.927 to the US two years before it came to Australia, 0:13:18.327 --> 0:13:20.927 And I said that that's America in a nutshell. It's 0:13:20.967 --> 0:13:23.487 like every individual state is kind of a country. And 0:13:23.527 --> 0:13:25.527 the problem is you've got these countries that are actually 0:13:25.647 --> 0:13:29.887 much more progressive than Australia. Are Massachusetts or California next 0:13:29.887 --> 0:13:34.167 to these states that are extremely conservative, and I feel 0:13:34.167 --> 0:13:37.727 like you're behalf of Americans. Well, it's actually even more 0:13:37.807 --> 0:13:40.607 I think striking than Europe because I think Europeans generally 0:13:40.687 --> 0:13:44.767 like bikes and agree the climate change exists, and enjoy 0:13:44.887 --> 0:13:48.607 cheese and smoking. But in America, it's like so different 0:13:48.727 --> 0:13:51.527 from state to state, And that's why I feel so 0:13:51.727 --> 0:13:56.847 heartbroken for so many Americans I know who just feel 0:13:56.927 --> 0:13:59.487 devastated that they have to live in a country where 0:13:59.527 --> 0:14:02.247 women have been deemed to be not as important as men. 0:14:02.647 --> 0:14:05.087 Twenty four hours ago, I saw a video of Elon 0:14:05.167 --> 0:14:07.727 Musk being interviewed by Joe Rogan, and when I saw 0:14:07.887 --> 0:14:12.607 that clear that was going viral, I had a real sense. 0:14:12.407 --> 0:14:13.887 That the Trump was in. 0:14:13.967 --> 0:14:16.127 What happened in It was Joe Rogan, this was just 0:14:16.167 --> 0:14:19.447 before he officially endorsed Trump, but he was speaking to 0:14:19.447 --> 0:14:22.047 Elon Musk and they were having this conversation, winding each 0:14:22.087 --> 0:14:24.767 other up and talking about how important it was that 0:14:24.807 --> 0:14:26.967 Trump won. And then Elon Musk turned and he looked 0:14:26.967 --> 0:14:29.527 down the barrel of the camera and essentially said the 0:14:29.567 --> 0:14:29.887 Dame was. 0:14:29.887 --> 0:14:30.447 Won the selection. 0:14:30.567 --> 0:14:33.127 They will legalized enough illegals to turn the swing states 0:14:33.207 --> 0:14:35.087 and everywhere will be like California. 0:14:35.167 --> 0:14:36.407 There will be no escape that. 0:14:36.727 --> 0:14:38.967 I'm sane. This is it. This is the last chance. 0:14:39.367 --> 0:14:40.647 Go out and vote. 0:14:40.767 --> 0:14:42.487 Vote like your life depends on it, Vote like your 0:14:42.487 --> 0:14:44.087 future depends on it, because it does. 0:14:44.487 --> 0:14:45.927 This was the last chance man. 0:14:46.127 --> 0:14:48.807 The way that he stoked the fear of immigration, I 0:14:48.847 --> 0:14:52.327 realized in that video that it felt as existential for 0:14:52.607 --> 0:14:55.207 the Republican side as it did for the Democrats, which 0:14:55.207 --> 0:14:57.527 I didn't realize until that moment. And the second thing 0:14:57.727 --> 0:15:02.927 was I thought, people will excuse everything if they are scared, 0:15:03.247 --> 0:15:09.207 and I refuse to accept that Americans are bad or evil, 0:15:09.727 --> 0:15:11.887 or dumb or immoral or all of the things. 0:15:11.687 --> 0:15:14.367 That are going to come through. I think they're scared, 0:15:14.767 --> 0:15:15.407 and I think. 0:15:15.247 --> 0:15:19.447 It's very scared of the fact that women can't get abortion. 0:15:19.247 --> 0:15:21.527 And that he's gonna and that all the signs are 0:15:21.527 --> 0:15:24.327 showing that he is going to be an authoritarian leader 0:15:24.327 --> 0:15:26.047 who's going to dismantle the civil service. 0:15:26.207 --> 0:15:28.407 That's not what they think they voted for. And I 0:15:28.407 --> 0:15:31.127 think that that's we talked about echo chambers in twenty sixteen. 0:15:31.207 --> 0:15:33.647 I think that there's been a lot of really important 0:15:33.647 --> 0:15:36.007 work done to deconstruct them, and I think the left 0:15:36.047 --> 0:15:38.287 has done a lot of soul searching and has gone 0:15:38.447 --> 0:15:40.407 how is it that we live in these silos? I 0:15:40.487 --> 0:15:43.927 really think that they have, and I don't think that conservatives. 0:15:43.367 --> 0:15:44.007 Are the thing. 0:15:44.127 --> 0:15:45.967 But here's the thing that's interesting about that. You know 0:15:46.007 --> 0:15:48.167 how we were saying did he win or did she lose? 0:15:48.247 --> 0:15:48.447 Right? 0:15:48.887 --> 0:15:51.767 She has had the broadest church, She's had Republicans up 0:15:51.807 --> 0:15:54.207 there speaking for her, She's done all of those things. 0:15:54.247 --> 0:15:56.767 She's had every famous person in the world. She's had 0:15:56.887 --> 0:15:59.887 more money, like the Democrats have raised more money than ever, 0:16:00.367 --> 0:16:01.767 and none of it's moved the needle. 0:16:02.407 --> 0:16:03.527 On the abortion point. 0:16:03.567 --> 0:16:05.807 I read some analysis that was really compelling to me 0:16:05.887 --> 0:16:08.247 that said, the reason why that didn't move the needle 0:16:08.647 --> 0:16:11.727 is because of that state's idea that I was mentioning 0:16:11.767 --> 0:16:13.927 to you, if you live in a state where you 0:16:13.967 --> 0:16:17.607 live in Massachusetts or California, you can be pretty sure 0:16:17.607 --> 0:16:19.207 that you will always get an abortion. 0:16:19.327 --> 0:16:22.167 But isn't he going to make federal legislation which is 0:16:22.247 --> 0:16:26.367 essentially the opposite of roversus Wade, which will override I think. 0:16:26.207 --> 0:16:33.247 That feels so hypothetical. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. And 0:16:33.287 --> 0:16:36.207 I'm not justifying this. I'm not saying it's right, but 0:16:37.247 --> 0:16:43.447 whether it's xenophobia, whether immigrants, immigration and the economy, was 0:16:43.487 --> 0:16:44.407 a literal. 0:16:44.087 --> 0:16:47.687 Illegal immigrant to the United States, as has been recently reported. 0:16:47.767 --> 0:16:49.367 It was interesting to me to note that. 0:16:49.927 --> 0:16:53.167 Is married to the daughter of immigrants. 0:16:52.087 --> 0:16:53.527 But this is. 0:16:55.127 --> 0:16:58.167 Overstated student visa and started a business when he wasn't 0:16:58.167 --> 0:17:00.927 meant to. He literally broke the immigration. 0:17:00.687 --> 0:17:03.007 He would be deported onder the News Millenia. 0:17:03.247 --> 0:17:06.367 There's also some evidence that she did some of various 0:17:06.367 --> 0:17:09.167 stuff with her visa when she first arrived in the US. 0:17:09.007 --> 0:17:11.967 Two But to me, it's not just illegal immigrants that 0:17:12.007 --> 0:17:16.247 Trump's stoking the fears of it's just any immigrants, it's xenophobia. 0:17:16.327 --> 0:17:19.567 It's just I think it's specifically this idea. It's a 0:17:19.607 --> 0:17:22.687 bit different from say, the Brexit thing, which Holly, you 0:17:22.727 --> 0:17:24.727 feel free to interject and tell me I'm not getting it. 0:17:24.767 --> 0:17:27.327 But to me, that was about a demographics debate. It's 0:17:27.367 --> 0:17:30.047 like what do we want this country to look like? 0:17:30.767 --> 0:17:35.207 In the US, it's more specifically about this very simplistic 0:17:35.287 --> 0:17:39.087 idea of people coming over the southern border and then 0:17:39.207 --> 0:17:40.527 raping and pillaging, and. 0:17:40.687 --> 0:17:44.647 That is not in a way dissimilar to Australia's obsession 0:17:44.727 --> 0:17:47.807 with illegal immigrants and stop the boats right, which is 0:17:47.847 --> 0:17:52.647 one elections for Australian prime ministers, except on a vastly 0:17:52.687 --> 0:17:53.447 different scale. 0:17:53.567 --> 0:17:55.407 That is such an apt comparison. 0:17:55.647 --> 0:17:58.807 It's not a debate about what we want the country 0:17:58.807 --> 0:17:59.367 to look like. 0:17:59.407 --> 0:18:01.407 It's not that sophisticated. Unfortunately. 0:18:01.567 --> 0:18:04.487 It's more just about this idea of the hordes coming 0:18:04.527 --> 0:18:06.607 up from the southern border and criminals. 0:18:06.607 --> 0:18:10.167 Because I heard in Republican circles talk about you've got 0:18:10.167 --> 0:18:12.367 abortion over here in women's rights, and then you've got 0:18:12.367 --> 0:18:15.327 Republicans talking about protecting women, and they think they're protecting 0:18:15.367 --> 0:18:17.207 women because they're keeping the criminals out. 0:18:17.247 --> 0:18:20.407 Like there's this This mean appeared with Trump at one 0:18:20.447 --> 0:18:23.207 of his last rallies and teared up. This is the 0:18:23.207 --> 0:18:25.607 woman who, by the way, he basically complained about her 0:18:25.647 --> 0:18:27.967 being on a period in twenty sixteen. She appears with 0:18:28.047 --> 0:18:29.527 him at this rally with tears in her eyes and 0:18:29.567 --> 0:18:31.127 she's like, thank you for protecting me. 0:18:33.247 --> 0:18:33.767 The thing is. 0:18:35.247 --> 0:18:37.487 To Elon Musk for a minute. He isn't just a 0:18:37.527 --> 0:18:41.407 famous person influencer type. He's not Beyonce. He's like the 0:18:41.487 --> 0:18:46.327 richest man in the world. It controls almost everything, and 0:18:46.647 --> 0:18:48.967 Trump buddying up to him and a few of the 0:18:49.007 --> 0:18:52.287 other big tech guys and promising them whatever they've wanted. 0:18:52.687 --> 0:18:54.327