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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on out louders. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: our emergency meeting about the American election. If you've listened

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Speaker 2: to the main show or you're going to, you'll know

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Speaker 2: that we've kind of thrown everything out. We're starting again

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Speaker 2: because we wanted America like America is, because we wanted

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Speaker 2: to meet you where you are right now. It is

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Speaker 2: as we're recording this nearly four o'clock on Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I am joined by Mia and Jesse and Amelia Lester,

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Speaker 2: and we are doing a temperature take of where we're at.

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Speaker 2: This is what's just happened as we're sitting down.

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Speaker 3: The temperature is not great.

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Speaker 2: The temperature is not great. And Nate Cohene, who is

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Speaker 2: the New York Times statistician, has pretty much called the

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Speaker 2: election for Trump. He said, for the first time tonight,

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Speaker 2: we consider Trump likely to win the presidency. He has

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Speaker 2: an advantage in each of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. To win,

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Speaker 2: Harris would need to sweep all three. There's still a

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Speaker 2: lot of vote left, but in the voting so far

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Speaker 2: Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead. The Harris camp, as

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Speaker 2: we're talking, are not anywhere near conceding. They say that

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Speaker 2: the swing states yet to come through are looking strong

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Speaker 2: on voter turnout for the Democrats. But if you're watching

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Speaker 2: that terrible Needly graph on a newspaper homepage and feeling

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Speaker 2: a sense of dread, we've got you. We're here, Amelia,

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Speaker 2: tell us where are we at?

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Speaker 1: I think you put that perfectly, Holly.

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Speaker 4: I have to speak here, not as a journalist, but

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Speaker 4: as an American, and as a woman, and as a parent.

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Speaker 4: I won't say mother, as a parent, and I feel devastated.

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Speaker 4: And that's because this was not a normal election. In

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Speaker 4: a normal election, I wouldn't tell you how I felt

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Speaker 4: about the result. But the problem here is that this

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Speaker 4: was not a normal election. This was not a normal candidate.

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Speaker 4: He's been found liable for sexual assault. He currently has

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Speaker 4: four active criminal cases against him. He tried to overturn

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Speaker 4: an election violently that my husband was caught up in

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Speaker 4: and I thought he was going to die in And

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Speaker 4: he calls women really horrible names. I'm not even getting

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Speaker 4: into his policy there. No, I'm not talking about his policies.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about why this is not a normal elections.

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Speaker 3: Did you feel that way in twenty sixteen?

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is very reminiscent of the emergency meeting

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Speaker 5: we had in twenty sixteen. Although it does feel different. Then,

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Speaker 5: we all thought it was a lay down for Hillary.

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Speaker 3: I'm with her.

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Speaker 5: We came to work in our pantsuits, We pre recorded

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Speaker 5: a whole lot of content about the first female president.

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Speaker 5: He seemed like such a buffoon to us and such

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Speaker 5: grabbed you by the pussy like all of that. We

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Speaker 5: thought he was such a disqualified candidate in terms of

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Speaker 5: no one would ever vote for him. So when he won,

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Speaker 5: there was absolute shock and disbelief, which then became quite

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Speaker 5: energizing in a way and led to like the pink

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Speaker 3: Action to that. This feels different. I don't think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't feel shocked today like a normous I

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Speaker 6: head around the ramifications of it. But do you feel shock, Amelia?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't feel shocked.

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Speaker 3: How is it different for you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Twenty an interesting question about how it feels different

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Speaker 1: The way I think it's different is January.

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Speaker 4: Sixth, in particular, because we knew he was a sexist,

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Speaker 5: But and he was unqualified, and he was you couldn't

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Speaker 1: This is not about policy.

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Speaker 4: This is about what it says about how we think

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Speaker 1: These are much more financial issues.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't actually matter if things look different later, because

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Speaker 6: I'm really disturbed by the gender split. So a lot

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Speaker 6: And even the ads for Harris in the last minute

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Speaker 3: The floor, it's the feature.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you were saying in the segment we recorded for

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Speaker 3: Thrown in the bin talk about that rally.

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Speaker 2: one of his final rallies, Trump was talking about Harris

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Speaker 2: and he said she's crazy, she's stupid, all the things

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Speaker 4: You've just explained for me the connection between the idea

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Speaker 1: How they vote and respect those results.

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Speaker 4: And now that is that you need to treat women

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Speaker 6: I remember in twenty sixteen when we spoke, Jacqueline Lunn

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Speaker 6: ridiculous now, but it just shows where I'm at in

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Speaker 6: my life. Amelia, do you know the song Wiggletown.

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Speaker 6: About everything being about Wiggletown. That's like it has like

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Speaker 6: like everything's upside down. It's like things are not as

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Speaker 2: You've also just made me think about the fact that

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Speaker 2: I do have to go home and talk to my

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Speaker 2: this before on hour shows about this with you, Amelia,

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Speaker 2: that one of the things that makes Trump a very

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Speaker 2: It was very much for Harris. And Matilda said with

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Speaker 5: In most states in America, in all states in America,

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Speaker 3: Now, that is not a country that we can understand.

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Speaker 5: And I want to be really careful because Amelia is here,

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Speaker 4: But I got some news for you, Mia, and you're

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Speaker 1: Why is that bad news?

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Speaker 4: Because this is a global thing, sorry in Australia and

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Speaker 3: Who did Trump get like? Who did how did this happen?

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Speaker 3: Who broke for Trump? Surprisingly?

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Speaker 5: Because remember last time there was all that oh white

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Speaker 3: Or what's happened? Who's he won? Whose hearts and minds?

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Speaker 4: Well, I would flip the question around and say that

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Speaker 4: Harris didn't win any new groups and that's the problem.

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Speaker 5: So Latinos, black men like you would have thought that

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Speaker 5: black female candidate. You know, we saw Obama move so

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Speaker 5: many votes. Is it a case that the only thing

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Speaker 5: what a lot of people?

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Speaker 6: Because well, Trump is the only president in American history

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Speaker 2: That is not in a way dissimilar to Australia's obsession

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Speaker 1: That is the closest I've heard to how I feel fear.

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Speaker 4: stay at home, but they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They went out.

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Speaker 3: And the women women.

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Speaker 1: Must have voted for him too, Like they must have

444
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Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people in the US voted for Harris,

446
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Speaker 6: and like that must sting today and.

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Speaker 2: As we're talking now, we don't know. But in the

448
00:21:05,807 --> 00:21:08,047
Speaker 2: days before, they were saying women were coming out in

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Speaker 2: record numbers.

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Speaker 6: So Zara Curtis, who's our chief content officer. I was

451
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Speaker 6: speaking to her the other day who somehow managed to

452
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Speaker 6: get through the whole Joe Rogan Trump interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she listened for three hours.

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Speaker 6: She listened to three hours, and she said, I listened

455
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Speaker 6: because I was waiting for either man to use her name,

456
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Speaker 6: first or second name. And they went for three hours

457
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Speaker 6: and neither of them ever said her name.

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Speaker 1: They referred to her as her or she, which I.

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Speaker 3: Think fel to humanized.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, and we've got to be careful because it

462
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Speaker 5: just feels very emotional. It feels like more than just

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Speaker 5: you know, there are election nights in Australia where the

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Speaker 5: person you've wanted to win didn't win, and it's a

465
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Speaker 5: bummer and you feel annoyed or you feel upset or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think you feel existentially under threat.

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Speaker 1: How do you feelk It's different from twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I think in twenty sixteen it was a shock.

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Speaker 5: This year it's much more despair because we've been here.

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Speaker 5: It's like last time it almost could have been a

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Speaker 5: glitch in the matrix.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I.

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Speaker 5: Think those first couple of years was so energizing. Because

474
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Speaker 5: it's like, wait till they find this out, and wait

475
00:22:12,367 --> 00:22:15,047
Speaker 5: till and something will happen and the cavalry and he'll

476
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Speaker 5: just get kicked out or he'll be disqualified. And it's like,

477
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Speaker 5: not only that, but he was nearly re elected in

478
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty, then he was charged with all of these crimes.

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Speaker 3: Then he was convicted of being a rapist, and still

480
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Speaker 3: looks like an overwhelming.

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Speaker 5: Victory, and now he's got that process that except, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 4: We always thought it was glitching the matrix and that

484
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Speaker 4: it was like the other shoe will drop.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a flaw. It was a feature. They love

486
00:22:41,767 --> 00:22:44,447
Speaker 3: this about him, They love all all of this about him.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask one more question, Jesse, you said the

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Speaker 4: Rogan endorsement was when you kind of knew things were

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Speaker 4: not going well.

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Speaker 1: Why did he do that and why did you do

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Speaker 1: it's so late? Do you think I think that was intentional?

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Speaker 6: I think the lateness of it all was intentional because

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Speaker 6: it was on the day that was energizing. If I'm

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Speaker 6: a man in and I'm trying really hard not to

495
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Speaker 6: be disparaging, because I actually think this disparaging tone that

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Speaker 6: is used against men has the problem as part of

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Speaker 6: the problem. But what I was going to say is

498
00:23:09,847 --> 00:23:11,967
Speaker 6: like the man who's sitting in his basement got up

499
00:23:12,007 --> 00:23:14,207
Speaker 6: and went and voted because it was new, and it

500
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Speaker 6: was the first thing that like I work up to.

501
00:23:16,367 --> 00:23:18,287
Speaker 6: It was a headline. It was a headline that ran everywhere.

502
00:23:18,327 --> 00:23:19,207
Speaker 6: It was genius.

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Speaker 5: It was just like the same reason that the Washington Post,

504
00:23:23,647 --> 00:23:27,047
Speaker 5: owned by Jeff Bezos, who went against what's been happening

505
00:23:27,087 --> 00:23:29,407
Speaker 5: for the last sort of twenty or thirty years and.

506
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Speaker 3: Didn't endorse either candidate.

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Speaker 5: Everyone was talking about that, and the surprise and the

508
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Speaker 5: analysis was that it's called something antipaider rey obedience that

509
00:23:38,447 --> 00:23:42,127
Speaker 5: everybody knew, including Joe Rogan, including Elon Musk, including they

510
00:23:42,567 --> 00:23:46,487
Speaker 5: sniffed the wind, and they knew if they went against

511
00:23:46,927 --> 00:23:50,527
Speaker 5: Kamala they wouldn't be punished if Kamala got in, but

512
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Speaker 5: if they went against Trump.

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Speaker 3: He's got a burn book.

514
00:23:52,927 --> 00:23:57,127
Speaker 2: Yah do you that but burn book. He has been

515
00:23:57,167 --> 00:23:59,687
Speaker 2: clear about punishing his enemy and one of the most

516
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Speaker 2: one of the things he's most well known for is

517
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Speaker 2: his streak of intense revenge. So there'll be a lot

518
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Speaker 2: of people in American media and politics right now packing

519
00:24:08,287 --> 00:24:10,727
Speaker 2: their bags. I want to know what do we leave

520
00:24:10,727 --> 00:24:13,687
Speaker 2: our out louders with. Obviously, as we say it's Wednesday night,

521
00:24:13,727 --> 00:24:15,487
Speaker 2: we don't know for sure for sure, but this is

522
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Speaker 2: the way it's all looking.

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Speaker 3: I've got one bit of hope.

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Speaker 5: So, as I said at the start, things work in pendulums, right,

525
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Speaker 5: And I think one of the things that came out

526
00:24:24,647 --> 00:24:28,807
Speaker 5: of a Trump presidency was me too. And I think

527
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Speaker 5: that there's something that can be quite galvanizing and quite

528
00:24:33,207 --> 00:24:35,247
Speaker 5: organizing and almost unifying.

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Speaker 2: But we've just seen that mea. We've just seen this

530
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Speaker 2: enormous swell of support for Harris.

531
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Speaker 3: All the volunteers.

532
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Speaker 2: I don't think the problem here is that the left

533
00:24:50,087 --> 00:24:52,207
Speaker 2: have been galvanized. I think a lot of the blame

534
00:24:52,327 --> 00:24:54,807
Speaker 2: will probably end up falling on the Democrats, and Biden

535
00:24:54,807 --> 00:24:57,447
Speaker 2: should have resigned sooner, and they didn't go through the

536
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Speaker 2: right process, and she was never a strong enough candidate

537
00:24:59,927 --> 00:25:02,447
Speaker 2: and the nation wasn't ready for her. We'll see all that,

538
00:25:02,487 --> 00:25:04,247
Speaker 2: but it's too soon for that now. But I think

539
00:25:04,287 --> 00:25:06,207
Speaker 2: you can't argue that they haven't tried hard.

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Speaker 1: I have a bright spot.

541
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Speaker 3: Thank God.

542
00:25:08,567 --> 00:25:12,127
Speaker 1: Trump's a bit miserable too, Like he looks tired.

543
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Speaker 4: There was the swaying at the rally. I mean, he's

544
00:25:16,607 --> 00:25:17,967
Speaker 4: not going to have a good time.

545
00:25:18,327 --> 00:25:20,087
Speaker 2: But if he goes off to play golf, who he

546
00:25:20,207 --> 00:25:22,407
Speaker 2: leaves in charge and not the people you really want

547
00:25:22,407 --> 00:25:25,727
Speaker 2: in charge? JD. Don Junior, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to stop it.

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Speaker 6: I think sixteen was about Echo Chambers, and I think

550
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty four is going to be about gender. I

551
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Speaker 6: think that that's going to be the thing that's going

552
00:25:38,767 --> 00:25:40,047
Speaker 6: to be the next year.

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Speaker 4: We got there with Hillary because you said this to

554
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Speaker 4: me recently, you said, the reason we didn't get that

555
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Speaker 4: with Hillary is because she was a Clinton, so there

556
00:25:48,207 --> 00:25:49,527
Speaker 4: was so much baggage there.

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Speaker 1: I think it has got worse.

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Speaker 2: But there's also but there's also always an excuse for

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Speaker 2: why a woman isn't the right woman. It's like, well,

560
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Speaker 2: she was a Clinton and Harris is of color, and

561
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Speaker 2: the nation isn't ready for that, and that woman will

562
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Speaker 2: be this, and that woman will be that. There's always

563
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Speaker 2: a reason why the stop putting women forward because I.

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Speaker 5: Don't exactly like I just for the rapist is what

565
00:26:09,687 --> 00:26:11,647
Speaker 5: the popular votes seem to say in America.

566
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm going to do. I don't know

567
00:26:13,527 --> 00:26:15,367
Speaker 2: if I'm allowed to do this, I'll be checking in.

568
00:26:15,727 --> 00:26:17,727
Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn my fucking phone off. That's what I'm

569
00:26:17,767 --> 00:26:18,207
Speaker 2: gonna do.

570
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Speaker 6: Until Friday when we upload. We're gonna do a Friday

571
00:26:22,287 --> 00:26:25,167
Speaker 6: episode where we do not talk about the election one

572
00:26:25,167 --> 00:26:26,887
Speaker 6: time because escapism and distraction.

573
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Speaker 3: So there we go there on Friday with nothing about

574
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Speaker 3: this dark day.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 4: We love you, Thanks everyone.

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Speaker 1: Big hugs out louders.

578
00:26:38,927 --> 00:26:41,727
Speaker 2: That's all We've got, chocolate, ice cream coffee.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye