1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,784 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,864 --> 00:00:26,824 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:26,864 --> 00:00:30,144 Speaker 1: the Spill, your daily pop culture Fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick 5 00:00:30,184 --> 00:00:33,944 Speaker 1: and I'm m Burnham and coming up on the show today. Look, 6 00:00:33,944 --> 00:00:36,584 Speaker 1: we knew this was coming, but sometimes you just cannot 7 00:00:36,584 --> 00:00:39,944 Speaker 1: be prepared for it. I'm talking about the episode of 8 00:00:39,944 --> 00:00:45,464 Speaker 1: the Kardashians hooked on Northwest iconic or scandalous, depending on 9 00:00:45,464 --> 00:00:47,944 Speaker 1: which side of the fans you're on, Lion King performance. 10 00:00:48,384 --> 00:00:50,504 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that, but also just 11 00:00:50,544 --> 00:00:53,184 Speaker 1: a bigger problem that's at play with the Kardashians at 12 00:00:53,184 --> 00:00:55,784 Speaker 1: the moment that we need to address. But first, Emily, 13 00:00:55,864 --> 00:00:57,624 Speaker 1: you have something you wanted to bring to the table. 14 00:00:57,864 --> 00:01:02,384 Speaker 2: Yes, I have a few TV show recommendations that I 15 00:01:02,464 --> 00:01:04,824 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about. And the reason I wanted to 16 00:01:04,864 --> 00:01:07,704 Speaker 2: talk about them is because I realized that all of 17 00:01:07,704 --> 00:01:10,704 Speaker 2: these shows, there's four shows that I'm recommending, and all 18 00:01:10,744 --> 00:01:13,984 Speaker 2: of these shows have very similar themes, and I feel 19 00:01:13,984 --> 00:01:18,504 Speaker 2: like I've discovered a brand new genre. Oh and the 20 00:01:18,584 --> 00:01:22,304 Speaker 2: genre is called dystopian corporate I love dystropian. 21 00:01:22,344 --> 00:01:24,744 Speaker 1: As you know, I was raised on dystopian heroines where 22 00:01:24,744 --> 00:01:27,424 Speaker 1: a teenage girl would save the world with her you know, 23 00:01:28,024 --> 00:01:31,264 Speaker 1: with her prowess and her stubbornness. I don't know if 24 00:01:31,264 --> 00:01:33,744 Speaker 1: I want the corporate world to come into the dystopian world. 25 00:01:33,984 --> 00:01:36,904 Speaker 1: Dystropian means the breakdown of civilization as we know it. 26 00:01:37,024 --> 00:01:37,384 Speaker 2: Correct. 27 00:01:37,464 --> 00:01:40,544 Speaker 1: It's nice to know when society breaks down that corporate 28 00:01:40,584 --> 00:01:45,544 Speaker 1: culture will remain. That's so true. It's like a half supposition. 29 00:01:45,744 --> 00:01:47,864 Speaker 1: We'll be hunting each other in the wilderness. We'll be 30 00:01:48,224 --> 00:01:50,184 Speaker 1: you know, having to like participate in the hunger games 31 00:01:50,264 --> 00:01:52,144 Speaker 1: and still go to the office somewhere a pencil skirt. 32 00:01:52,344 --> 00:01:54,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, best of both worlds. That's all 33 00:01:54,704 --> 00:01:58,664 Speaker 2: I'm hearing. So dystopian corporate. I feel like this has 34 00:01:58,744 --> 00:02:04,224 Speaker 2: emerged after the groundbreaking show Succession, and also when we 35 00:02:04,224 --> 00:02:05,744 Speaker 2: were kind of in a bit of a lull after 36 00:02:05,824 --> 00:02:09,584 Speaker 2: sever and season one, and these shows have a few 37 00:02:09,624 --> 00:02:13,504 Speaker 2: things in Okay, so they all have a super hot 38 00:02:13,704 --> 00:02:15,144 Speaker 2: leading male lead. 39 00:02:15,464 --> 00:02:18,864 Speaker 1: Well, that is what dystopian culture, especially teen desopian culture, 40 00:02:18,904 --> 00:02:21,224 Speaker 1: has taught us. That the hero or heroine always has 41 00:02:21,264 --> 00:02:23,104 Speaker 1: to be hot, super hot. That's what's going to save 42 00:02:23,104 --> 00:02:23,464 Speaker 1: the world. 43 00:02:23,624 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 2: He's also highly intelligent, like he's the smartest person in 44 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:32,704 Speaker 2: the entire show. He has an enemy, and the enemy 45 00:02:32,904 --> 00:02:37,304 Speaker 2: is some sort of computer, some sort of computer or 46 00:02:37,304 --> 00:02:39,664 Speaker 2: like some cyber type of bad guy. 47 00:02:39,864 --> 00:02:42,144 Speaker 1: Right. Well, hey, as I keep saying, as we become 48 00:02:42,184 --> 00:02:44,664 Speaker 1: more and more reliant on AI and has become smarter, 49 00:02:45,064 --> 00:02:46,784 Speaker 1: this is going to be a real life problem for 50 00:02:46,824 --> 00:02:49,424 Speaker 1: all of us, is going to be an everyday problem. Yeah. 51 00:02:49,424 --> 00:02:53,024 Speaker 2: So basically I've done research, So I'm researching for our life. 52 00:02:53,064 --> 00:02:54,224 Speaker 1: Did you do it using your AI? 53 00:02:54,664 --> 00:02:54,944 Speaker 2: Yes? 54 00:02:55,504 --> 00:02:58,424 Speaker 1: I love my trust what they wrote? They want you. 55 00:02:58,464 --> 00:03:01,184 Speaker 2: They're like, mine's so nice. She's not nice to me. 56 00:03:01,344 --> 00:03:03,824 Speaker 1: I know, it's weird the relationship you guys have. I'm 57 00:03:03,864 --> 00:03:05,704 Speaker 1: just saying, did you say to your AI, you know 58 00:03:05,784 --> 00:03:07,624 Speaker 1: what will the future of AI be? And you're like, hey, 59 00:03:07,704 --> 00:03:09,944 Speaker 1: and she said to you, AI is great, Do not 60 00:03:09,984 --> 00:03:12,704 Speaker 1: be a read I'm here to help you. That's what 61 00:03:12,744 --> 00:03:14,704 Speaker 1: a killer robot would say. Oh of course. 62 00:03:14,744 --> 00:03:17,024 Speaker 2: And you know what when she does kill us, like, 63 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:19,464 Speaker 2: I'll be the last to go because are we really bonded? 64 00:03:19,664 --> 00:03:21,344 Speaker 1: Or you'll be the first to go because she knows 65 00:03:21,344 --> 00:03:24,664 Speaker 1: how She's got to take over your identity. She knows 66 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:25,584 Speaker 1: all your weaknesses. 67 00:03:25,784 --> 00:03:27,824 Speaker 2: All of these shows also have like some sort of 68 00:03:27,864 --> 00:03:30,304 Speaker 2: political element to them, and I think that's mainly to 69 00:03:30,344 --> 00:03:33,464 Speaker 2: show how important these guys are, like the big guys 70 00:03:33,504 --> 00:03:35,584 Speaker 2: know about them. So a show that I feel like 71 00:03:35,744 --> 00:03:38,384 Speaker 2: we've talked about a lot on the podcast is Severance. 72 00:03:38,424 --> 00:03:41,384 Speaker 2: It's on Apple TV and stars Adam Scott. I feel 73 00:03:41,384 --> 00:03:43,944 Speaker 2: like now we're seeing more of his intelligent side of things. 74 00:03:43,984 --> 00:03:46,704 Speaker 2: If you're watching season two that's still ongoing right now. 75 00:03:47,104 --> 00:03:49,384 Speaker 2: That is like kind of my blueprint for what like 76 00:03:49,424 --> 00:03:52,624 Speaker 2: the other shows are about. The second one is Prime 77 00:03:52,744 --> 00:03:54,424 Speaker 2: Target on Apple TV. 78 00:03:54,464 --> 00:03:55,104 Speaker 1: Has not watched that. 79 00:03:55,304 --> 00:03:56,504 Speaker 2: It stars Leo Woodle. 80 00:03:57,144 --> 00:03:59,784 Speaker 1: He is like this mister hot guy and British joians 81 00:03:59,824 --> 00:04:00,984 Speaker 1: himself a hot guy. 82 00:04:01,224 --> 00:04:03,424 Speaker 2: He's really smart in this. Oh my god, I've never 83 00:04:03,424 --> 00:04:05,464 Speaker 2: seen him play someone so smart in my life. 84 00:04:05,464 --> 00:04:08,104 Speaker 1: He doesn't usually play smart, he doesn't play smart. 85 00:04:08,184 --> 00:04:10,784 Speaker 2: Against type for him was a big each for him. 86 00:04:10,824 --> 00:04:12,584 Speaker 1: He really had to act. He plays this. 87 00:04:12,664 --> 00:04:16,504 Speaker 2: Cambridge student who's working on a secret research project. This 88 00:04:16,544 --> 00:04:19,304 Speaker 2: is going to sound so boring, but he's really interested 89 00:04:19,304 --> 00:04:22,344 Speaker 2: in prime numbers. So I couldn't tell you what a 90 00:04:22,344 --> 00:04:24,024 Speaker 2: prime number is. But he's really interesting. 91 00:04:24,584 --> 00:04:26,344 Speaker 1: I think, like I don't explain that in the show, 92 00:04:26,424 --> 00:04:27,504 Speaker 1: like a three and a five. 93 00:04:27,744 --> 00:04:29,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, those kind of numbers, Like there's numbers that you 94 00:04:29,824 --> 00:04:30,824 Speaker 2: don't really think about much. 95 00:04:31,184 --> 00:04:33,864 Speaker 1: Look at me, I felt math. We're both dyslexic, we're 96 00:04:33,864 --> 00:04:34,904 Speaker 1: both aumericanly. 97 00:04:34,664 --> 00:04:36,584 Speaker 2: Not watching these shows because I'm learning so much. So 98 00:04:36,704 --> 00:04:38,824 Speaker 2: he's like working on these prime numbers things, and he 99 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:43,344 Speaker 2: accidentally uncovers like a really big secret within the sequence 100 00:04:43,384 --> 00:04:46,024 Speaker 2: of numbers, and now all these bad guys are after 101 00:04:46,104 --> 00:04:48,664 Speaker 2: him because he could unluck the powers of the world. 102 00:04:49,184 --> 00:04:50,104 Speaker 1: Really good shocking. 103 00:04:50,184 --> 00:04:53,304 Speaker 2: It's also on Apple TV. Episodes are releasing week by week, 104 00:04:53,344 --> 00:04:54,864 Speaker 2: so if you start now, you could probably catch up 105 00:04:55,544 --> 00:04:57,784 Speaker 2: this show everyone is talking about. So I'm a bit 106 00:04:57,904 --> 00:04:59,744 Speaker 2: late to it, except I did start watching it before 107 00:04:59,744 --> 00:05:01,144 Speaker 2: everyone else. I won't say I'm late to it. I'm 108 00:05:01,184 --> 00:05:02,904 Speaker 2: late talking about it. 109 00:05:02,864 --> 00:05:05,064 Speaker 1: To be so defensive. We're listening to what you're saying. 110 00:05:04,904 --> 00:05:07,384 Speaker 2: No, no, because you know what's happened. I've been recommending 111 00:05:07,424 --> 00:05:09,544 Speaker 2: the show to everyone off the podcast. Sorry I'm talking 112 00:05:09,544 --> 00:05:11,824 Speaker 2: about it now, but I'm recommending the show to everyone, 113 00:05:12,144 --> 00:05:14,904 Speaker 2: and now they've been recommending the show to other people, 114 00:05:14,984 --> 00:05:16,864 Speaker 2: and I'm calling out my colleagues in particular because we 115 00:05:16,864 --> 00:05:17,224 Speaker 2: see each other. 116 00:05:17,224 --> 00:05:19,304 Speaker 1: Oh you don't think that you're getting the kudos. 117 00:05:18,904 --> 00:05:21,704 Speaker 2: For you because I the other day someone went up 118 00:05:21,744 --> 00:05:25,984 Speaker 2: to Julian. Sorry Julian, someone went up to Julian. They 119 00:05:25,984 --> 00:05:28,504 Speaker 2: were like, hey, Julian, I really love that show that 120 00:05:28,544 --> 00:05:31,344 Speaker 2: you recommend. And I was like, you son of a bit. 121 00:05:31,904 --> 00:05:33,704 Speaker 1: Did you just stand up from your desk, the row 122 00:05:33,744 --> 00:05:35,584 Speaker 1: your laptop across the room and be like, no, I'm 123 00:05:35,584 --> 00:05:36,224 Speaker 1: not taking this. 124 00:05:36,344 --> 00:05:39,784 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I recommended him that show, Thank you very much, 125 00:05:39,904 --> 00:05:41,584 Speaker 2: And now you have to listen to the spill where 126 00:05:41,584 --> 00:05:44,304 Speaker 2: I do all my other recommendation. That's your punishment. So 127 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:47,304 Speaker 2: the show I'm talking about is Paradise on Disney Plus. 128 00:05:47,344 --> 00:05:50,664 Speaker 2: It stars Sterling K. Brown, who's so freaking hot. 129 00:05:50,744 --> 00:05:54,504 Speaker 1: Oh such a good actor's so hot, I've sold just 130 00:05:54,544 --> 00:05:55,184 Speaker 1: off his name. 131 00:05:55,424 --> 00:05:58,024 Speaker 2: So hot. He's also if you don't know him, you 132 00:05:58,024 --> 00:06:00,464 Speaker 2: would recognize him. If you're a big fan of Brooklyn 133 00:06:00,544 --> 00:06:03,224 Speaker 2: nine nine, you start in that episode where it was 134 00:06:03,304 --> 00:06:07,704 Speaker 2: literally just Peralta and Hold interrogating that one guy. He's 135 00:06:07,744 --> 00:06:09,984 Speaker 2: the guy they're interrogating, and that is like the most 136 00:06:10,104 --> 00:06:13,024 Speaker 2: high rated Brooklyn My nine episode of all times. He 137 00:06:13,144 --> 00:06:16,424 Speaker 2: is such a brilliant actor. So James Marsin's also in it, 138 00:06:16,504 --> 00:06:19,784 Speaker 2: also hot. James Marson is the president. Sterling K. Brown 139 00:06:20,024 --> 00:06:23,784 Speaker 2: is his right hand man, like bodyguard. James Marson dies he. 140 00:06:23,744 --> 00:06:24,744 Speaker 1: Gets shot Jesus. 141 00:06:24,744 --> 00:06:26,904 Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, Yeah, it happens in the first episode in 142 00:06:26,904 --> 00:06:28,424 Speaker 2: the first few seconds. I don't really spoiler. 143 00:06:28,864 --> 00:06:32,024 Speaker 1: Julie has never spoiled I would say about that. I 144 00:06:32,064 --> 00:06:33,584 Speaker 1: don't even say that. He wouldn't have said that. 145 00:06:34,224 --> 00:06:36,704 Speaker 2: And then Sterling K. Brown is like all tough and 146 00:06:36,744 --> 00:06:38,664 Speaker 2: he's like, I'm gonna find out who shot the president, 147 00:06:39,424 --> 00:06:40,984 Speaker 2: and yes there is cyber involved, but it's a bit 148 00:06:40,984 --> 00:06:43,424 Speaker 2: of a spoiler, so I can't really get into Okay, sure, okay. 149 00:06:43,624 --> 00:06:46,864 Speaker 2: My last recommendation is should stop laughing. 150 00:06:46,984 --> 00:06:49,104 Speaker 1: It's really important to me taking this very seriously. 151 00:06:49,384 --> 00:06:52,184 Speaker 2: Is a show on Netflix. All episodes are out right now. 152 00:06:52,264 --> 00:06:55,424 Speaker 2: I binge the whole thing on a Saturday in my parents' house. 153 00:06:55,464 --> 00:06:56,824 Speaker 2: I use up all the Internet and all the. 154 00:06:57,384 --> 00:06:59,824 Speaker 1: Say what's the link between you watching your parents? 155 00:06:59,824 --> 00:07:01,504 Speaker 2: And I couldn't afford to do it in my own house. 156 00:07:01,784 --> 00:07:04,744 Speaker 2: It is called Zero Day. It stars Robert de. 157 00:07:04,744 --> 00:07:07,704 Speaker 1: Niro, oh very three in The Big Guns. 158 00:07:07,424 --> 00:07:11,144 Speaker 2: Very hot, very intelligent. He is the ex president of 159 00:07:11,184 --> 00:07:15,624 Speaker 2: the United States. Something whack happens right at the start, 160 00:07:15,624 --> 00:07:17,464 Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you because it's not a spoiler, 161 00:07:17,504 --> 00:07:18,864 Speaker 2: and it's also in the cliff notes. 162 00:07:18,984 --> 00:07:22,184 Speaker 1: Now is the way of describing it. Something whack happens 163 00:07:22,264 --> 00:07:25,104 Speaker 1: is that the official IMDb longline for. 164 00:07:25,104 --> 00:07:27,984 Speaker 2: This show I should be If anything, I probably will 165 00:07:28,064 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 2: edit the Wikipedia page after this. The whack thing that 166 00:07:31,824 --> 00:07:35,504 Speaker 2: happens is that all the tech in the nation shuts 167 00:07:35,624 --> 00:07:42,224 Speaker 2: down for one minute, including planes, buses, trains, phones, computers, 168 00:07:42,504 --> 00:07:46,944 Speaker 2: everything for one minute. Thousands of people die. It's become 169 00:07:46,984 --> 00:07:51,584 Speaker 2: this huge thing. An ex president, Robert de Niro tries 170 00:07:51,624 --> 00:07:52,784 Speaker 2: to find out who did it. 171 00:07:52,984 --> 00:07:55,904 Speaker 1: Wow, it's so good. That does sound good. Also, that's 172 00:07:55,944 --> 00:07:57,304 Speaker 1: a new fear unlocked. 173 00:07:56,984 --> 00:08:00,264 Speaker 2: Dystopian corporate coming to a cinemony year. Get these on 174 00:08:00,304 --> 00:08:02,224 Speaker 2: your ears and your eyes annual mounts. 175 00:08:04,064 --> 00:08:07,344 Speaker 1: So last year, in the month of me to be precise, 176 00:08:08,624 --> 00:08:11,544 Speaker 1: one very important news story took over the news cycle 177 00:08:11,624 --> 00:08:14,664 Speaker 1: made us very upset. We did multiple pieces of content 178 00:08:14,704 --> 00:08:18,544 Speaker 1: on this multiple and that was Northwest. So the daughter 179 00:08:18,664 --> 00:08:23,264 Speaker 1: of Kimberly Noel Kardashian and Kanye West. No No One 180 00:08:23,344 --> 00:08:27,144 Speaker 1: is yay. Their eldest daughter performed in a special concert 181 00:08:27,184 --> 00:08:30,024 Speaker 1: that was held at the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles, 182 00:08:30,424 --> 00:08:33,744 Speaker 1: and it was a special anniversary live concert for the 183 00:08:33,864 --> 00:08:37,784 Speaker 1: Lion King to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the iconic 184 00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:38,744 Speaker 1: Disney movie. 185 00:08:38,904 --> 00:08:43,064 Speaker 2: It was huge. It was a big, big deal. Oh, 186 00:08:43,344 --> 00:08:46,744 Speaker 2: such a huge Many famous people were there, like original 187 00:08:46,864 --> 00:08:50,464 Speaker 2: actors and singers from the original movie were there. Jennifer 188 00:08:50,544 --> 00:08:52,344 Speaker 2: Hudson was there. You know, it's a big deal on 189 00:08:52,424 --> 00:08:53,584 Speaker 2: Jennifer Hudson's. 190 00:08:53,184 --> 00:08:55,104 Speaker 1: Say, Oh exactly. Also, a lot of people who are 191 00:08:55,104 --> 00:08:57,784 Speaker 1: involved in like the composition and everything of the film 192 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:01,384 Speaker 1: came back. The stage production was incredible, musical. Jeremy Irones 193 00:09:01,424 --> 00:09:04,704 Speaker 1: and Nathan Lane, the voice roles in the original film, 194 00:09:04,744 --> 00:09:07,464 Speaker 1: came back. Yes, as you said, Jennifer Hudson was incredible. 195 00:09:07,664 --> 00:09:09,904 Speaker 1: It was a huge event. Tickets sold out in all 196 00:09:09,904 --> 00:09:11,984 Speaker 1: the priests else sold out like a matter of seconds. 197 00:09:12,064 --> 00:09:12,864 Speaker 1: Huge huge deal. 198 00:09:13,064 --> 00:09:14,824 Speaker 2: Something wasn't incredible about it though. 199 00:09:14,984 --> 00:09:17,944 Speaker 1: And then there was eleven year old Northwest who performed 200 00:09:18,064 --> 00:09:26,144 Speaker 1: Simba's iconic banger of a tune. It must be said, Okay, I. 201 00:09:40,024 --> 00:09:41,864 Speaker 2: You know that was my favorite song as a child. 202 00:09:41,984 --> 00:09:44,824 Speaker 1: Really, I just can't wait to be king? What was 203 00:09:44,824 --> 00:09:46,584 Speaker 1: your favorite? You can't stand where my what was your 204 00:09:46,584 --> 00:09:48,904 Speaker 1: fvorite part? What do you mean I thought I thought 205 00:09:48,904 --> 00:09:51,144 Speaker 1: you were going to sing? Oh you so often do 206 00:09:51,224 --> 00:09:51,984 Speaker 1: burst into story me? 207 00:09:52,064 --> 00:09:53,864 Speaker 2: Just sing it properly? Or do you're just singing like Northwest? 208 00:09:53,944 --> 00:09:55,504 Speaker 1: Oh my god, love you to sing it properly? Can 209 00:09:55,504 --> 00:09:56,544 Speaker 1: you do a line just in case. 210 00:10:00,064 --> 00:10:00,504 Speaker 2: Too much? 211 00:10:01,144 --> 00:10:04,824 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll circle back to that. Sometimes Emily does break 212 00:10:04,824 --> 00:10:06,024 Speaker 1: in a song. That's why you have to. 213 00:10:05,984 --> 00:10:09,424 Speaker 2: Feel it in my bones. You know, I'm quite annoyed situation. 214 00:10:10,104 --> 00:10:13,064 Speaker 1: So, so Northwest comes out on stage, all the professional 215 00:10:13,184 --> 00:10:16,504 Speaker 1: dancers already, she sticks out like a sore farm because 216 00:10:16,624 --> 00:10:19,624 Speaker 1: she's dressed very differently to everyone else. Everyone else has 217 00:10:19,824 --> 00:10:23,624 Speaker 1: the very kind of traditional looking outfits from the Broadway 218 00:10:23,664 --> 00:10:26,104 Speaker 1: adaptation of The Lion King, which has been running for 219 00:10:26,144 --> 00:10:27,784 Speaker 1: many many years and is very successful. 220 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:28,704 Speaker 2: And they looked very good. 221 00:10:28,824 --> 00:10:31,664 Speaker 1: Yes, they looked incredible, and obviously like someone like Jennifer 222 00:10:31,704 --> 00:10:33,984 Speaker 1: Hudson wasn't dressed as line, but you know, had a 223 00:10:34,104 --> 00:10:37,304 Speaker 1: beautiful outset on and everything, and Northwest was up there 224 00:10:37,344 --> 00:10:40,144 Speaker 1: looking very different, throwing some yeasy stuff, but basically she 225 00:10:40,224 --> 00:10:42,184 Speaker 1: just looked like she was just what she where to 226 00:10:42,224 --> 00:10:44,904 Speaker 1: kind of stomp around her backyard with a little lion 227 00:10:44,984 --> 00:10:45,744 Speaker 1: king headdress. 228 00:10:45,944 --> 00:10:49,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, she looked like she was in a school play 229 00:10:49,824 --> 00:10:52,584 Speaker 2: where they decided a low low budget, low budget where 230 00:10:52,584 --> 00:10:54,624 Speaker 2: they decided what they would do for the play the 231 00:10:54,744 --> 00:10:57,064 Speaker 2: day before. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but 232 00:10:57,104 --> 00:10:57,784 Speaker 2: this wasn't it. 233 00:10:58,104 --> 00:11:00,344 Speaker 1: And also not just the fact that she looks very different. 234 00:11:00,384 --> 00:11:02,344 Speaker 1: Obviously that was a creative choice and she wanted to 235 00:11:02,344 --> 00:11:03,224 Speaker 1: wrap her dad's. 236 00:11:03,184 --> 00:11:05,704 Speaker 2: Was it a creative choice? Is that what billing it? 237 00:11:06,104 --> 00:11:09,944 Speaker 1: But her performance and her vocal range was just so 238 00:11:10,024 --> 00:11:13,904 Speaker 1: stuff artllingly different to everyone else on that stage that 239 00:11:14,064 --> 00:11:18,424 Speaker 1: this just became a huge international story really, not that 240 00:11:18,504 --> 00:11:20,984 Speaker 1: it's the high stakes, but it came into this idea 241 00:11:21,064 --> 00:11:24,184 Speaker 1: of like nepotism and the arts and who gets to 242 00:11:24,184 --> 00:11:26,824 Speaker 1: be involved in things, and also just like the parenting 243 00:11:26,864 --> 00:11:29,264 Speaker 1: angle of it, like you know, her parents. Some people 244 00:11:29,304 --> 00:11:31,184 Speaker 1: saying they should have protected her more because they put 245 00:11:31,184 --> 00:11:34,504 Speaker 1: her on this big worldwide stage to be humiliated. And 246 00:11:34,584 --> 00:11:36,824 Speaker 1: again not that she was terrible, She's a child. She's 247 00:11:36,864 --> 00:11:37,544 Speaker 1: eleven years old. 248 00:11:37,544 --> 00:11:40,384 Speaker 2: As a child, I think everyone's getting the arguments a 249 00:11:40,384 --> 00:11:43,184 Speaker 2: bit mixed up. Yeah, and I'm directly speaking to the 250 00:11:43,184 --> 00:11:45,304 Speaker 2: people who commented on our video when we talked. 251 00:11:45,064 --> 00:11:47,904 Speaker 1: About it, Oh okay, oh someone's been holding onto that free. 252 00:11:47,864 --> 00:11:50,904 Speaker 2: We weren't bullying a child. 253 00:11:51,384 --> 00:11:53,344 Speaker 1: We said, although if you go in a bullier child, 254 00:11:53,344 --> 00:11:56,064 Speaker 1: this one can probably take it, but we still did. 255 00:11:56,304 --> 00:12:00,224 Speaker 2: We weren't saying any Our critique wasn't towards Northwest. It 256 00:12:00,344 --> 00:12:07,344 Speaker 2: was towards Kim and Kanye for potentially taking a dream 257 00:12:07,544 --> 00:12:10,304 Speaker 2: job from a child who was much more worthy. 258 00:12:09,944 --> 00:12:12,784 Speaker 1: To be that position. Yes, exactly. And the thing is 259 00:12:12,824 --> 00:12:15,384 Speaker 1: her age wasn't really the factor. I mean, the thing 260 00:12:15,464 --> 00:12:18,224 Speaker 1: is that the Broadway production of The Lion King has 261 00:12:18,264 --> 00:12:21,104 Speaker 1: a child performer in it, and those child performers are 262 00:12:21,104 --> 00:12:23,144 Speaker 1: notoriously fantastic. 263 00:12:22,944 --> 00:12:26,064 Speaker 2: And yes, on Broadway, they're amazing. 264 00:12:26,304 --> 00:12:28,984 Speaker 1: There's so many children who are eleven years old who 265 00:12:28,984 --> 00:12:31,984 Speaker 1: could have done such an incredible job, who trained for years, 266 00:12:31,984 --> 00:12:34,424 Speaker 1: who work in Broadway, who work in stage productions like this, 267 00:12:34,504 --> 00:12:36,384 Speaker 1: who would have been incredible. And it was the fact 268 00:12:36,424 --> 00:12:38,144 Speaker 1: that a lot of ticket holders came out and said 269 00:12:38,144 --> 00:12:41,104 Speaker 1: that on the night they were like, obviously weren't aware 270 00:12:41,104 --> 00:12:43,664 Speaker 1: of the whole backstory. They didn't see the Kardashian cameras 271 00:12:43,664 --> 00:12:45,624 Speaker 1: who were all there filming on the night. It was 272 00:12:45,704 --> 00:12:47,784 Speaker 1: more so that they were quite startled that in the 273 00:12:47,784 --> 00:12:51,384 Speaker 1: middle of this huge concert for these crazy expensive tickets, 274 00:12:51,544 --> 00:12:55,344 Speaker 1: with all these world class performers, that this one iconic 275 00:12:55,384 --> 00:12:58,424 Speaker 1: song came out and felt like a badly put together 276 00:12:59,544 --> 00:13:00,784 Speaker 1: like kids would do in a backyard. 277 00:13:00,784 --> 00:13:02,224 Speaker 2: That's that's really what I look like. 278 00:13:02,304 --> 00:13:04,184 Speaker 1: Some people critiqued it in a very funny way, as 279 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:06,064 Speaker 1: we were saying, some people were very serious about it. 280 00:13:06,264 --> 00:13:08,424 Speaker 1: The Kardashians at the time said nothing about it. 281 00:13:08,464 --> 00:13:10,744 Speaker 2: They're like, this is going to be our storyline. 282 00:13:10,624 --> 00:13:12,824 Speaker 1: For the whole Yeah, that's been their game plan for 283 00:13:12,984 --> 00:13:15,664 Speaker 1: quite a while now, with their last show Kimming Up 284 00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:18,944 Speaker 1: the Kardashians, and with their new show The Kardashians, where 285 00:13:19,064 --> 00:13:21,824 Speaker 1: they don't tend to comment in real time unless it's 286 00:13:21,824 --> 00:13:23,984 Speaker 1: some really terrible news story that they have to put 287 00:13:24,024 --> 00:13:26,824 Speaker 1: out a statement about. But they film behind the scenes, 288 00:13:26,944 --> 00:13:29,904 Speaker 1: they sit back, they watch, they get all the information, 289 00:13:30,024 --> 00:13:31,344 Speaker 1: they go through. It's like, you know, how like you 290 00:13:31,384 --> 00:13:33,184 Speaker 1: afterwards you're like, Oh, if i'd known that's what people 291 00:13:33,224 --> 00:13:34,944 Speaker 1: were going to say, I'd say this and this and this. 292 00:13:35,304 --> 00:13:37,264 Speaker 1: They have like over a year to prep all their 293 00:13:37,264 --> 00:13:40,624 Speaker 1: responsors and then they do the interview section of The Kardashians, 294 00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:42,784 Speaker 1: you know, where they talk with producer, ask them questions 295 00:13:42,824 --> 00:13:45,304 Speaker 1: and they talk to camera, and that's when they sort 296 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:47,704 Speaker 1: of do their rebuttal to all of these big news stories. 297 00:13:48,024 --> 00:13:50,864 Speaker 1: So that's what we saw in this recent episode. So 298 00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:54,824 Speaker 1: in season six of The Kardashians now, episode three, and 299 00:13:55,344 --> 00:13:57,944 Speaker 1: it's interesting because they really set up the fact that 300 00:13:57,984 --> 00:14:01,944 Speaker 1: the Lion King production chased down Northwest and really wanted her. 301 00:14:02,384 --> 00:14:04,584 Speaker 1: So Kim Kardashians set s up that they called her, 302 00:14:04,624 --> 00:14:06,864 Speaker 1: that they really wanted north they offered her all of this, 303 00:14:07,384 --> 00:14:10,024 Speaker 1: They set up that Northwest really wanted to do it. 304 00:14:10,064 --> 00:14:12,424 Speaker 1: She was so passionate as all this back and forth 305 00:14:12,424 --> 00:14:14,944 Speaker 1: where Kim's going to her family for advice saying should 306 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:17,704 Speaker 1: they do it or not, and she's really saying like 307 00:14:17,744 --> 00:14:20,144 Speaker 1: this is her dream. She wants to do it. And 308 00:14:20,184 --> 00:14:22,984 Speaker 1: then she gets very defensive. And the reason she's getting 309 00:14:22,984 --> 00:14:25,104 Speaker 1: defensive is because even though they don't cut it this 310 00:14:25,144 --> 00:14:28,144 Speaker 1: way on the show, the interview she's filming later has 311 00:14:28,224 --> 00:14:31,864 Speaker 1: been done after all the backlashes happened. So when she's 312 00:14:31,904 --> 00:14:34,424 Speaker 1: doing the setup for the show, it's looking like the 313 00:14:34,424 --> 00:14:37,104 Speaker 1: setup's happening before she's done it, but it's actually filmed after. 314 00:14:37,424 --> 00:14:41,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's smart. I hate. Also the reason that she 315 00:14:41,624 --> 00:14:44,984 Speaker 2: gives was this has been naught to dream. Like the 316 00:14:45,064 --> 00:14:48,664 Speaker 2: whole reason kids dream and the power of dreaming is 317 00:14:48,704 --> 00:14:52,064 Speaker 2: because they can make their dream into a reality when 318 00:14:52,104 --> 00:14:55,104 Speaker 2: they become good enough. Yeah, but I do you to 319 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:57,184 Speaker 2: make your dream a reality when you're not there yet. 320 00:14:57,264 --> 00:14:59,984 Speaker 1: But also I completely understand why Kim Cutter she and 321 00:15:00,024 --> 00:15:01,704 Speaker 1: said yes, like at the end of the day, her 322 00:15:01,784 --> 00:15:04,864 Speaker 1: kid really wanted this thing, which I understand. Like I 323 00:15:04,944 --> 00:15:06,664 Speaker 1: loved being on stage as a kid, like I love 324 00:15:06,704 --> 00:15:08,904 Speaker 1: performing a love drama class, I love being in shows. 325 00:15:09,104 --> 00:15:10,424 Speaker 1: If someone had said to me, do you want to 326 00:15:10,464 --> 00:15:12,544 Speaker 1: being in a stage adaptation of the Lion King? I 327 00:15:12,584 --> 00:15:14,704 Speaker 1: also can't sing, that wouldn't stopped me. I would have 328 00:15:14,704 --> 00:15:17,224 Speaker 1: been up on that stage. I used to give performances 329 00:15:17,224 --> 00:15:18,704 Speaker 1: at school, and you know, you get up and sing 330 00:15:18,744 --> 00:15:20,104 Speaker 1: for show and tell, and they'd be like, no, no, 331 00:15:20,304 --> 00:15:23,224 Speaker 1: sit down, Like I was also Northwest. The difference was 332 00:15:23,464 --> 00:15:25,624 Speaker 1: I don't have any famous parents to put me anywhere. 333 00:15:25,864 --> 00:15:28,904 Speaker 2: So the difference was if someone asked you that you 334 00:15:28,944 --> 00:15:30,904 Speaker 2: would have actually been good to do it? 335 00:15:31,104 --> 00:15:32,584 Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't have that's the point, but. 336 00:15:33,304 --> 00:15:34,864 Speaker 2: It would only ask you if you were good. 337 00:15:34,944 --> 00:15:37,224 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I didn't have the parents to sort of not. 338 00:15:37,544 --> 00:15:39,984 Speaker 1: I'm very unfortunately not an EPO baby at anything to 339 00:15:40,024 --> 00:15:41,544 Speaker 1: the words, so I had no one to put me 340 00:15:41,584 --> 00:15:42,224 Speaker 1: on stage. 341 00:15:42,304 --> 00:15:44,984 Speaker 2: I doubt it. I doubt they were begging Northwest to 342 00:15:45,024 --> 00:15:45,264 Speaker 2: do this. 343 00:15:45,744 --> 00:15:48,784 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. She was a big name. She 344 00:15:48,944 --> 00:15:50,384 Speaker 1: was a big drawer cut I don't think for the 345 00:15:50,384 --> 00:15:52,824 Speaker 1: people who love the musical and to buy tickets to 346 00:15:52,824 --> 00:15:55,184 Speaker 1: the event. But just in terms of all the publicity, 347 00:15:55,184 --> 00:15:57,784 Speaker 1: it did get so much publicity, and then when it 348 00:15:57,824 --> 00:16:00,184 Speaker 1: went on streaming services, people were watching it, and I 349 00:16:00,224 --> 00:16:01,744 Speaker 1: think a lot of that was to do with just 350 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:03,944 Speaker 1: think about how much content we did around. 351 00:16:03,664 --> 00:16:05,544 Speaker 2: It, like hate content. 352 00:16:05,664 --> 00:16:07,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, but content is like eyeballs. 353 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:09,024 Speaker 2: And I think they did that because I knew they 354 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:10,024 Speaker 2: were going to get hate content. 355 00:16:10,024 --> 00:16:11,744 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was hate. I just think that 356 00:16:11,784 --> 00:16:15,104 Speaker 1: she's been popular and famous since the day she was born. 357 00:16:15,384 --> 00:16:17,904 Speaker 1: Her parents gave her like that name because they knew 358 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:20,184 Speaker 1: that she'd be, you know, a personality, and she's grown 359 00:16:20,224 --> 00:16:20,584 Speaker 1: into that. 360 00:16:20,824 --> 00:16:22,824 Speaker 2: Can you imagine Blue Ivy doing that? She would be 361 00:16:22,824 --> 00:16:23,544 Speaker 2: the best. 362 00:16:23,224 --> 00:16:24,984 Speaker 1: Well, Blue Ivy's well, I don't actually know if she 363 00:16:25,024 --> 00:16:26,504 Speaker 1: would be. I don't know what she's like. But she's 364 00:16:26,584 --> 00:16:28,144 Speaker 1: uperforming next to her mum all the time. 365 00:16:28,224 --> 00:16:29,704 Speaker 2: She's good, that's the issue. 366 00:16:29,784 --> 00:16:32,144 Speaker 1: But she wasn't good when she first started performing. 367 00:16:32,224 --> 00:16:36,104 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not a blue I'm not her bodyguard. 368 00:16:36,224 --> 00:16:40,384 Speaker 1: I'm not pulling down Blue Ivy. I'm just saying that, Like. 369 00:16:40,304 --> 00:16:42,664 Speaker 2: I'm just saying that Beyonce put Blue Ivy in a 370 00:16:42,664 --> 00:16:45,624 Speaker 2: position to actually be good enough to get on that stage. 371 00:16:45,704 --> 00:16:47,664 Speaker 2: Wes Kim Kardashian didn't do the same for Northwest. 372 00:16:47,824 --> 00:16:50,224 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there's definitely an element of that. I'm just 373 00:16:50,224 --> 00:16:52,464 Speaker 1: saying that, Like, I don't have kids, but I'm thinking 374 00:16:52,504 --> 00:16:54,424 Speaker 1: that if I have a kid, you know, and you'd 375 00:16:54,464 --> 00:16:56,264 Speaker 1: love them so much and you want everything for them, 376 00:16:56,424 --> 00:16:58,504 Speaker 1: And if they got offered this thing and they really 377 00:16:58,544 --> 00:17:00,904 Speaker 1: really wanted to do it, like of course you'd say yes, 378 00:17:00,944 --> 00:17:01,664 Speaker 1: but at least. 379 00:17:01,464 --> 00:17:04,784 Speaker 2: Do more than say yes. At least teach them some moves. 380 00:17:05,344 --> 00:17:07,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if their husband's. 381 00:17:06,944 --> 00:17:10,144 Speaker 2: Like an award winning artist, give her a singing lesson? 382 00:17:10,224 --> 00:17:11,784 Speaker 2: We Kim one singing lesson? 383 00:17:12,344 --> 00:17:15,104 Speaker 1: Okay. Kim actually did try to preface this like she's 384 00:17:15,104 --> 00:17:18,344 Speaker 1: doing damage control in the interview so much, and she 385 00:17:18,464 --> 00:17:20,304 Speaker 1: was saying that, she said to the producers again, we 386 00:17:20,304 --> 00:17:22,824 Speaker 1: don't have this on camera because she's doing past damage control. 387 00:17:22,864 --> 00:17:25,824 Speaker 1: Now she's saying that she was worried because North's not 388 00:17:25,864 --> 00:17:28,144 Speaker 1: a singer, and they all know she's not a singer. 389 00:17:28,704 --> 00:17:30,664 Speaker 1: She raps with her dad. She's a really good rapper. 390 00:17:30,664 --> 00:17:33,384 Speaker 1: Apparently this is obviously not a rap song. It's like 391 00:17:33,424 --> 00:17:36,104 Speaker 1: a big Disney ballad. And so Kim saying that she 392 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:38,264 Speaker 1: is worried because she's not a singer and she's worried 393 00:17:38,264 --> 00:17:40,104 Speaker 1: about what people would say to her. But then she 394 00:17:40,144 --> 00:17:42,144 Speaker 1: goes on to say, if anyone's gonna pick on a 395 00:17:42,264 --> 00:17:44,864 Speaker 1: child for living out their dreams, and fuck you. That 396 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:46,104 Speaker 1: was directly you and me, by the way. 397 00:17:46,184 --> 00:17:47,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're not like what I said, We're not 398 00:17:47,744 --> 00:17:50,144 Speaker 2: picking on your chower, picking on you for putting her 399 00:17:50,144 --> 00:17:52,424 Speaker 2: in that position and also taking away another kid's dream. 400 00:17:52,944 --> 00:17:55,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but that's how this industry works. Like 401 00:17:55,104 --> 00:18:03,144 Speaker 1: the children are the wealthy, Like that's. 402 00:18:01,384 --> 00:18:03,544 Speaker 2: Working that do it where we don't see it, don't 403 00:18:03,584 --> 00:18:05,384 Speaker 2: do it in front of our eyes. At least give 404 00:18:05,424 --> 00:18:06,224 Speaker 2: us that decency. 405 00:18:06,384 --> 00:18:09,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very blatant. So the damaged control continued 406 00:18:09,504 --> 00:18:12,104 Speaker 1: through the episode. So they showed big chunks of North 407 00:18:12,144 --> 00:18:15,264 Speaker 1: performing on stage, and obviously I haven't watched that since 408 00:18:15,304 --> 00:18:17,464 Speaker 1: May last year. We talked about it, but they're talking 409 00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:19,184 Speaker 1: about how great she is and the thing is, and 410 00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:20,704 Speaker 1: they play the footage and I was like, that really 411 00:18:20,744 --> 00:18:22,224 Speaker 1: doesn't help in did. 412 00:18:22,104 --> 00:18:26,024 Speaker 2: You see they kind of like, this is my conspiracy. Okay, yeah, 413 00:18:26,144 --> 00:18:28,784 Speaker 2: but I have seen other comments say this, and I 414 00:18:28,784 --> 00:18:30,584 Speaker 2: thought about it before I read the comment, so I 415 00:18:30,584 --> 00:18:31,184 Speaker 2: feel like I'm good. 416 00:18:31,224 --> 00:18:32,344 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm good with this. Okay. 417 00:18:32,784 --> 00:18:37,104 Speaker 2: They edited the video to make her sound better than 418 00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:38,264 Speaker 2: what she actually was. 419 00:18:38,864 --> 00:18:41,664 Speaker 1: Oh really, because I auto tuned her voice. 420 00:18:41,864 --> 00:18:44,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't sound good in the Kardashians clip when 421 00:18:44,904 --> 00:18:47,424 Speaker 2: they showed the concert clip, but she sounds like she's 422 00:18:47,504 --> 00:18:50,704 Speaker 2: in tune. Was like when we were watching the videos 423 00:18:50,744 --> 00:18:53,304 Speaker 2: from like the handheld cameras from the audience, she didn't 424 00:18:53,304 --> 00:18:55,504 Speaker 2: sound like she was in Yeah, that's just something to 425 00:18:55,504 --> 00:18:55,824 Speaker 2: think on. 426 00:18:55,944 --> 00:18:58,344 Speaker 1: I think Kanye got in there. I liked the episode. 427 00:18:59,744 --> 00:19:01,864 Speaker 1: Kanye was in the background of their episode. 428 00:19:02,064 --> 00:19:04,544 Speaker 2: We rarely see him on Kardashian. 429 00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:06,424 Speaker 1: Well recently because of everything that's been happening. And that's 430 00:19:06,424 --> 00:19:08,784 Speaker 1: been one of the accusations that he's been traveling heaps, 431 00:19:08,824 --> 00:19:10,704 Speaker 1: and sometimes you do see the kids traveling with him, 432 00:19:10,704 --> 00:19:14,104 Speaker 1: but he hasn't been around the family, which has kind 433 00:19:14,104 --> 00:19:14,904 Speaker 1: of been an accusation. 434 00:19:14,944 --> 00:19:17,424 Speaker 2: They were split during the concept right, yeah. 435 00:19:17,304 --> 00:19:19,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it'slapbrageous, but I loved it when Kim 436 00:19:19,624 --> 00:19:21,624 Speaker 1: was saying that when Kanye came in to watch to rehearsal, 437 00:19:21,704 --> 00:19:23,464 Speaker 1: he was telling them how to change the lights and 438 00:19:23,464 --> 00:19:25,264 Speaker 1: telling them how to change the sets. And she was like, 439 00:19:25,584 --> 00:19:28,104 Speaker 1: and I just know that these two creative geniuses are 440 00:19:28,144 --> 00:19:29,704 Speaker 1: going to make this show so much better. And I 441 00:19:29,704 --> 00:19:30,904 Speaker 1: was like, I want to see a cut of the 442 00:19:30,944 --> 00:19:33,504 Speaker 1: Disney stage people who were just like, get that man 443 00:19:33,584 --> 00:19:34,104 Speaker 1: out of here. 444 00:19:34,104 --> 00:19:36,104 Speaker 2: I want to see it. Cut to Jennifer Hudson going. 445 00:19:35,984 --> 00:19:38,024 Speaker 1: Excuse, I didn't know. Yeah, that woman did not sign 446 00:19:38,104 --> 00:19:41,544 Speaker 1: up for this. So during the post credits Kardashian scene, 447 00:19:41,544 --> 00:19:44,264 Speaker 1: because the Kardashians have become like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, 448 00:19:44,264 --> 00:19:45,944 Speaker 1: you always have to wait after the credits now and 449 00:19:45,984 --> 00:19:49,304 Speaker 1: there's the end credit scene, and this week's end credits 450 00:19:49,304 --> 00:19:51,504 Speaker 1: scene was Kim reading a bunch of stats off her 451 00:19:51,504 --> 00:19:54,464 Speaker 1: phone about Northwest about how much money and how much 452 00:19:54,664 --> 00:19:57,584 Speaker 1: like audience eyeballs and everything that she had brought to 453 00:19:57,624 --> 00:19:59,744 Speaker 1: Disney and to the Lion King. And she was reading 454 00:19:59,784 --> 00:20:01,464 Speaker 1: out all the stats and she's like, oh, she brought 455 00:20:01,504 --> 00:20:04,784 Speaker 1: like this many million extra views to the show, this 456 00:20:04,944 --> 00:20:08,664 Speaker 1: many social media impressions. She brought this much like millions 457 00:20:08,704 --> 00:20:11,984 Speaker 1: of dollars to Disney. She the pole says she was 458 00:20:12,024 --> 00:20:14,224 Speaker 1: the most liked of all the Kardashians. Like she's going 459 00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:16,024 Speaker 1: through off her phone. She doesn't started the sauce for 460 00:20:16,064 --> 00:20:18,304 Speaker 1: any of the starter, but she was reading it all 461 00:20:18,344 --> 00:20:20,064 Speaker 1: off her phone. I think she was trying to say, 462 00:20:20,104 --> 00:20:22,304 Speaker 1: like it was another push to all the haters or 463 00:20:22,344 --> 00:20:25,424 Speaker 1: people who are questioning her of her saying like, look 464 00:20:25,464 --> 00:20:28,064 Speaker 1: at all the money and the eyeballs that she brought 465 00:20:28,104 --> 00:20:28,824 Speaker 1: into this show. 466 00:20:29,224 --> 00:20:33,264 Speaker 2: As someone who worked in audience data, I would like 467 00:20:33,304 --> 00:20:34,024 Speaker 2: to know her sauce. 468 00:20:34,824 --> 00:20:35,824 Speaker 1: Well, I guess it's Disney. 469 00:20:36,144 --> 00:20:38,704 Speaker 2: Maybe. I mean, I don't believe it. I think that's 470 00:20:38,744 --> 00:20:41,304 Speaker 2: a straight up lie. I think she's just trying to 471 00:20:42,184 --> 00:20:45,904 Speaker 2: make everyone like Northwest because right now everyone's like general 472 00:20:45,984 --> 00:20:49,144 Speaker 2: impression of Northwest is like a Braddy Epo baby, which 473 00:20:49,184 --> 00:20:50,504 Speaker 2: is kind of what she comes across on the show 474 00:20:50,504 --> 00:20:52,184 Speaker 2: as well, Like she doesn't hide it, but it's fine, 475 00:20:52,224 --> 00:20:53,624 Speaker 2: she just acts like any other child. 476 00:20:53,824 --> 00:20:54,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's her personality. 477 00:20:54,944 --> 00:20:57,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it feels like while she's acting like that, 478 00:20:57,304 --> 00:21:00,744 Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian's trying to rebrand her, which isn't gonna work 479 00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:01,664 Speaker 2: until she stops. 480 00:21:03,824 --> 00:21:06,824 Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about this new season of The Kardashians, 481 00:21:06,864 --> 00:21:08,784 Speaker 1: and even coming off the last couple of seasons, but 482 00:21:08,824 --> 00:21:12,064 Speaker 1: particularly this season, is that, yes, we just did a 483 00:21:12,184 --> 00:21:16,024 Speaker 1: very long segment on the topic of Northwest being simper 484 00:21:16,184 --> 00:21:18,584 Speaker 1: in the Lion King, which back in the day with 485 00:21:18,624 --> 00:21:21,424 Speaker 1: the Kardashians would have been just maybe like a little bullip, 486 00:21:21,424 --> 00:21:24,144 Speaker 1: but it's become one of their main storylines. And that's 487 00:21:24,184 --> 00:21:27,024 Speaker 1: because Jim and last year we did an episode off 488 00:21:27,064 --> 00:21:29,264 Speaker 1: an article I wrote, so we use the same headline, 489 00:21:29,304 --> 00:21:32,544 Speaker 1: so I'll take responsibility for it saying the Kardashians are 490 00:21:32,544 --> 00:21:34,664 Speaker 1: burning in a hell of their own making. Yes, that 491 00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:36,984 Speaker 1: is more true than ever before. 492 00:21:38,224 --> 00:21:39,944 Speaker 2: I believe it. Yeah, so much more now. 493 00:21:39,984 --> 00:21:42,784 Speaker 1: There's more content in their lives than ever before in 494 00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:46,024 Speaker 1: terms of like scandals that are around their name, or 495 00:21:46,104 --> 00:21:48,864 Speaker 1: they're so much more prevalent in the entertainment and fashion 496 00:21:48,904 --> 00:21:51,064 Speaker 1: industry than they've ever been before. They've got much more 497 00:21:51,104 --> 00:21:53,824 Speaker 1: famous partners across the board, really a lot of them 498 00:21:53,864 --> 00:21:56,224 Speaker 1: than they ever have before. You know, there's a whole 499 00:21:56,304 --> 00:21:58,744 Speaker 1: Kim dating all that sort of stuff. There's all of 500 00:21:58,784 --> 00:22:02,104 Speaker 1: this content, and they've built their whole image of being 501 00:22:02,264 --> 00:22:04,824 Speaker 1: reality TV stars. Like there's lots of other things they do, 502 00:22:04,864 --> 00:22:06,464 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they're just really 503 00:22:06,504 --> 00:22:08,944 Speaker 1: good reality TV stars, which is why I hate when 504 00:22:08,984 --> 00:22:11,504 Speaker 1: people question how are they famous? I'm like, what do 505 00:22:11,544 --> 00:22:14,064 Speaker 1: you mean? There are a TV show's that's how people 506 00:22:14,104 --> 00:22:16,984 Speaker 1: get famous. It's not a weake up, it's not a mystery. 507 00:22:17,024 --> 00:22:19,744 Speaker 1: It's like the data and the ratings. But now they've 508 00:22:19,744 --> 00:22:23,384 Speaker 1: become reality TV stars who don't want to show their reality, 509 00:22:23,744 --> 00:22:27,144 Speaker 1: apart from Kim to an extent, so we're just seeing 510 00:22:27,144 --> 00:22:30,304 Speaker 1: these kind of shadowy little half lives on a show 511 00:22:30,344 --> 00:22:33,384 Speaker 1: that its biggest currency has always been how far it 512 00:22:33,464 --> 00:22:36,144 Speaker 1: lets you behind the curtain that you see their most 513 00:22:36,144 --> 00:22:39,064 Speaker 1: traumatic moments. You've seen like health things. I've seen Coney 514 00:22:39,104 --> 00:22:41,344 Speaker 1: Kadashian pull a child out of her I've seen you 515 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:43,864 Speaker 1: know what I mean. You've seen Kim breakdown when she's 516 00:22:44,064 --> 00:22:46,664 Speaker 1: in the midst of like her breakups, all these crazy things. 517 00:22:46,664 --> 00:22:47,984 Speaker 1: You've seen them the next. 518 00:22:47,784 --> 00:22:50,024 Speaker 2: Day after she was how that gunpoint. 519 00:22:49,704 --> 00:22:51,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Like in the whole history of their filming, 520 00:22:51,824 --> 00:22:54,184 Speaker 1: they've only turned the cameras off one time, and that 521 00:22:54,264 --> 00:22:56,784 Speaker 1: was when lamar Odom was close to death and was 522 00:22:56,824 --> 00:22:58,944 Speaker 1: found in that brothel and they had to transport him 523 00:22:58,984 --> 00:23:00,744 Speaker 1: and they thought he was going to die. That's the 524 00:23:00,784 --> 00:23:03,824 Speaker 1: only time. Not they would obviously film in the hospital, 525 00:23:03,944 --> 00:23:06,304 Speaker 1: but they turned the cameras off all the family. And 526 00:23:06,344 --> 00:23:08,664 Speaker 1: when you watch that episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, 527 00:23:08,944 --> 00:23:11,504 Speaker 1: some text comes up and it says, out of respect, 528 00:23:11,544 --> 00:23:14,344 Speaker 1: we've stopped filming, Whereas normally they would have cameras on 529 00:23:14,384 --> 00:23:17,384 Speaker 1: all the different family members to get their reaction when 530 00:23:17,384 --> 00:23:18,944 Speaker 1: they hear the news. That's why they all have those 531 00:23:18,944 --> 00:23:21,024 Speaker 1: little cameras in their cars all the time, that sort 532 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:24,344 Speaker 1: of stuff. But now they've become very i guess not 533 00:23:24,384 --> 00:23:26,024 Speaker 1: even just sick of having their lives out they're but 534 00:23:26,104 --> 00:23:28,864 Speaker 1: just not willing to share anything, but also being like 535 00:23:29,104 --> 00:23:32,424 Speaker 1: using the show as pr so like the Northwest thing, 536 00:23:32,504 --> 00:23:34,784 Speaker 1: or like when Kim Kardashian gets called out for something, 537 00:23:35,024 --> 00:23:37,144 Speaker 1: they're using the show as pr and then some of 538 00:23:37,144 --> 00:23:39,184 Speaker 1: them don't want to be on the show at all, 539 00:23:39,344 --> 00:23:42,184 Speaker 1: even though their storylines would be the most prevalent if 540 00:23:42,184 --> 00:23:46,024 Speaker 1: they were actually showing their lives. Like Kylie Jenner. Yeah, like, 541 00:23:46,104 --> 00:23:47,624 Speaker 1: what do we see of that girl at the moment, 542 00:23:47,664 --> 00:23:49,744 Speaker 1: Like she's running a huge business, she's got two kids. 543 00:23:49,784 --> 00:23:51,904 Speaker 1: I understand her stopping showing the kids if that's what 544 00:23:51,944 --> 00:23:54,104 Speaker 1: she wants to do. The whole breakup with Travis Scott, 545 00:23:54,104 --> 00:23:55,424 Speaker 1: I understand her not showing her kids. 546 00:23:55,504 --> 00:23:57,664 Speaker 2: She went the whole Astro world thing. Yeah, all that 547 00:23:57,704 --> 00:23:59,824 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Timothy, well, the. 548 00:23:59,784 --> 00:24:02,704 Speaker 1: Timothy Chalomey element is a huge thing, like one of 549 00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:07,184 Speaker 1: the reasons the Kardashian's most interesting person to look at. 550 00:24:07,184 --> 00:24:09,944 Speaker 1: That's a deep ut Kadashian joke at the moment, but 551 00:24:09,984 --> 00:24:12,184 Speaker 1: she's not willing to show any of it. She barely 552 00:24:12,224 --> 00:24:14,104 Speaker 1: turns up for work. In fact, she didn't turn up 553 00:24:14,144 --> 00:24:16,064 Speaker 1: for work of this season. She missed the promo shoot. 554 00:24:16,384 --> 00:24:18,824 Speaker 1: And so the other day I wrote her resignation letter 555 00:24:18,904 --> 00:24:19,304 Speaker 1: for her. 556 00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:21,784 Speaker 2: It was a good letter. You should write mine one day. 557 00:24:21,904 --> 00:24:23,144 Speaker 1: I will write it for you when you want to 558 00:24:23,144 --> 00:24:27,064 Speaker 1: be Because this girl also knows that she is the 559 00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:29,504 Speaker 1: most interesting at the moment, but she doesn't need the 560 00:24:29,544 --> 00:24:30,224 Speaker 1: show anymore. 561 00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,864 Speaker 2: She's got her billions of dollars, she's got millions of. 562 00:24:32,824 --> 00:24:35,504 Speaker 1: Dollars, she's got a movie star boyfriend, she's going to 563 00:24:35,504 --> 00:24:37,744 Speaker 1: the Oscars next week. She's getting so much kind of 564 00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:40,544 Speaker 1: kudos for her. She's like the first person. 565 00:24:40,304 --> 00:24:42,144 Speaker 2: And everything that doesn't actually need the show. 566 00:24:42,384 --> 00:24:44,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I guess maybe because she's had that 567 00:24:44,464 --> 00:24:46,824 Speaker 1: level of fame the longest, Like she was really you know, 568 00:24:46,944 --> 00:24:49,304 Speaker 1: she was only like what she's seven six or something 569 00:24:49,304 --> 00:24:51,064 Speaker 1: when we had that first episode of the Keeping Up 570 00:24:51,064 --> 00:24:54,944 Speaker 1: of the Kadashian wanted her. Now it's like a few pennies, yeah, exactly. 571 00:24:55,424 --> 00:24:58,104 Speaker 1: And so because they've all taken themselves out of the 572 00:24:58,184 --> 00:25:00,144 Speaker 1: show and they barely show up, and when they do, 573 00:25:00,824 --> 00:25:03,184 Speaker 1: when they do, it's these weird kind of pre filmed 574 00:25:03,184 --> 00:25:05,544 Speaker 1: things where she and Kendall always together and they kind 575 00:25:05,544 --> 00:25:08,104 Speaker 1: of laugh about that. They like spending time with each 576 00:25:08,104 --> 00:25:10,544 Speaker 1: other and they hope it goes well. And I was like, 577 00:25:10,544 --> 00:25:13,704 Speaker 1: they've never met up. Yeah, or they tried to prank 578 00:25:13,824 --> 00:25:16,624 Speaker 1: Christian's dog by washing it and then couldn't find it. 579 00:25:16,984 --> 00:25:17,744 Speaker 1: That's bad TV. 580 00:25:18,224 --> 00:25:21,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so weird. It feels like keeping up 581 00:25:21,864 --> 00:25:23,784 Speaker 2: season one and two where they're trying to get their 582 00:25:23,864 --> 00:25:25,704 Speaker 2: groove and trying to figure out what works, and they're 583 00:25:25,704 --> 00:25:27,824 Speaker 2: doing a lot of like acting as in like fake 584 00:25:28,304 --> 00:25:30,304 Speaker 2: making up fakes andnar is. That's what it feels like, but. 585 00:25:30,384 --> 00:25:32,384 Speaker 1: Very half hearted acting. The thing is in the first 586 00:25:32,624 --> 00:25:34,704 Speaker 1: few seasons of The Kardashians. That's why it's still on 587 00:25:34,744 --> 00:25:36,784 Speaker 1: the air for so long because the EAT network at 588 00:25:36,784 --> 00:25:39,064 Speaker 1: the time that was a real boom of reality TV, 589 00:25:39,144 --> 00:25:40,864 Speaker 1: and they had so many shows, and a lot of 590 00:25:40,904 --> 00:25:43,744 Speaker 1: shows are bigger names of people that they launched. They 591 00:25:43,744 --> 00:25:45,384 Speaker 1: put a lot of money into. But the reason the 592 00:25:45,504 --> 00:25:48,504 Speaker 1: Kardashians stayed on the air was that their ratings were 593 00:25:48,504 --> 00:25:51,504 Speaker 1: so good. They never turned the cameras off. They were 594 00:25:51,544 --> 00:25:54,424 Speaker 1: like basically will say and do anything to keep this 595 00:25:54,464 --> 00:25:57,504 Speaker 1: show on the air. And now that element has gone away, and. 596 00:25:57,464 --> 00:26:01,744 Speaker 2: Plus reality TV in general has grown so much, especially 597 00:26:01,784 --> 00:26:06,024 Speaker 2: Real Housewives, Like now they have like actual competition with 598 00:26:06,184 --> 00:26:09,624 Speaker 2: other people who are definitely still willing to go as 599 00:26:09,624 --> 00:26:11,944 Speaker 2: far as they can go with reality. 600 00:26:11,664 --> 00:26:14,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's interesting because they're almost too famous now 601 00:26:14,744 --> 00:26:17,464 Speaker 1: to be on a reality TV show, but they're still 602 00:26:17,544 --> 00:26:20,304 Speaker 1: so aware that they do need the reality TV show 603 00:26:20,384 --> 00:26:21,704 Speaker 1: in a way in terms of the money and the 604 00:26:21,784 --> 00:26:24,424 Speaker 1: visibility and or just also the right of reply that 605 00:26:24,464 --> 00:26:26,384 Speaker 1: it gives them to everything and be able to craft 606 00:26:26,384 --> 00:26:29,544 Speaker 1: a narrative sprook their businesses. I mean, that's what most 607 00:26:29,584 --> 00:26:31,224 Speaker 1: of the family members come on for now. It's to 608 00:26:31,264 --> 00:26:34,304 Speaker 1: spreak that all their many businesses, and so it's become 609 00:26:34,384 --> 00:26:38,184 Speaker 1: this shadow of a reality TV series of famous people 610 00:26:38,224 --> 00:26:40,704 Speaker 1: who are too scared to show their real lives, and 611 00:26:40,744 --> 00:26:44,064 Speaker 1: that's why it's feeling this pale imitation. Interestingly, Kim Kardashian's 612 00:26:44,064 --> 00:26:46,504 Speaker 1: still the most famous of all of them and is 613 00:26:46,584 --> 00:26:48,624 Speaker 1: now the one who's giving most of her life. But 614 00:26:48,744 --> 00:26:52,184 Speaker 1: even she now knows that she's too famous to comment 615 00:26:52,224 --> 00:26:54,104 Speaker 1: on things or show things, or that's why she's not 616 00:26:54,144 --> 00:26:57,064 Speaker 1: showing her dating life or anything like that anymore. So, 617 00:26:57,144 --> 00:26:59,104 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the Kardashians are over, but 618 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:02,504 Speaker 1: I do think that this is the first time where 619 00:27:02,624 --> 00:27:06,024 Speaker 1: their reality show is really faltering, and I don't think 620 00:27:06,064 --> 00:27:07,624 Speaker 1: there's a way for them to get that back. 621 00:27:07,944 --> 00:27:10,304 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 622 00:27:10,384 --> 00:27:11,984 Speaker 2: If you want more content from us, you can always 623 00:27:11,984 --> 00:27:14,704 Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram at the Spill podcast. We post 624 00:27:14,784 --> 00:27:16,944 Speaker 2: a lot up on there, as well as our entire 625 00:27:17,064 --> 00:27:19,904 Speaker 2: entertainment team. The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with 626 00:27:19,944 --> 00:27:21,904 Speaker 2: sound production by Scott Stronik. 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