Speaker 1: We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land.
Speaker 2: We're recording on today.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to Eat, Sleep, Shit, Repeat, your
Speaker 1: unhinged podcast all about the madness that is motherhood and
Speaker 1: everything in between.
Speaker 2: I'm Kyrie Sels, I'm Kelly McCarron, and we hope that
Speaker 2: you all loved just being back in your ears last week.
Speaker 2: We sure a shit loved penetrating into them.
Speaker 1: And if you hear any babbling or goo goos or
Speaker 1: that is Suki Cels.
Speaker 2: She is our co host.
Speaker 1: She is not asleep. I tried my hardest to get
Speaker 1: her down for a nap for our record. It didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So she's in the bouncer and hopefully she will fall asleep.
Speaker 2: She wanted to have a yap in a yarn with this,
Speaker 2: she really did.
Speaker 1: She was keen. She's like girls, I slept through the
Speaker 1: other episode last week.
Speaker 2: I missed out. I really want to be in part
Speaker 2: of this, especially if you're going to talk about me.
Speaker 1: And speaking of last week, we are mixing things up
Speaker 1: this season. We're going to try some new things out.
Speaker 1: So later on in the episode, I'll be bringing my
Speaker 1: first rant. But first one.
Speaker 2: Thing not new and a bit of a fave slash
Speaker 2: old faithful with the shitters. It's time for peak and pit,
Speaker 2: y'all yuah quean eything's trough to shit keep please kick
Speaker 2: things off.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have missed doing peak and pick,
Speaker 1: so I haven't even been doing on on my social
Speaker 1: so I'm so excited to get back into this my pit. Well,
Speaker 1: last week I was recording with mastitis. Well, I had
Speaker 1: the most excruciating pain of my life, and I just
Speaker 1: thought like, oh, your milk ducks go like under your
Speaker 1: arm and a little bit onto your back and you
Speaker 1: I've got this little rash And I googled it and
Speaker 1: it looked like this rush that some people get with mastitis.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'm on antibiotics. Why isn't the
Speaker 1: mass titis going away? So finally went to see the
Speaker 1: doctor and she's like, oh, what's that rash? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it was here when I saw you,
Speaker 1: but it was very faint at the time. I didn't
Speaker 1: think anything of it. Like I have really sensitive skin,
Speaker 1: so often I'll like use a body wash and I
Speaker 1: can get some weltz, you know, or I'll spray some
Speaker 1: perfume and get welts on my skin, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: like too alarmed by the rash, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And then I said I've got some of my back too,
Speaker 1: and she's like and I just saw her face like
Speaker 1: drop and I was like, fuck.
Speaker 2: You don't ever want to see the doctor's face do anything?
Speaker 1: No, exactly, And so she had a look and she's like,
Speaker 1: it's shingles. You've got shingles. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: you're kidding.
Speaker 2: Did you even know what that was like? Because you
Speaker 2: messaged me and I wrote back, isn't that something old
Speaker 2: people yet?
Speaker 1: And I was like, Kelly, we're old. We're not all old.
Speaker 2: I am like elderly elderly, like retirement home elderly.
Speaker 1: I think back in the day. But honestly, the number
Speaker 1: of people that I know our age who have had it.
Speaker 1: And it is actually obviously it's the chicken pox virus
Speaker 1: that lays dormant in your body, But what happens is
Speaker 1: that if you're under extreme stress, say maybe you've had
Speaker 1: a newborn baby and you've decided to go back to
Speaker 1: work and you've also got a toddler, the chicken pox
Speaker 1: virus kind of reignites, and that is what shingles is,
Speaker 1: so it's super infectious. So the first thing I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of is like, cool, my newborn isn't vaccinated and the
Speaker 1: rash was on my boot that I have been breastfeeding
Speaker 1: like crazy because I had masst aritis. I was like,
Speaker 1: they tell you to keep breastfeeding through it. I'm a
Speaker 1: very hygienic person, so I knew that I've been washing
Speaker 1: my hands and I wasn't like letting her touch the
Speaker 1: ration anyway. But I'm still pretty freaked out by it,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not out of the woods yet. I think
Speaker 1: I've got one welt on my back that hasn't yet
Speaker 1: scabbed over. So as soon as the scabs form, that
Speaker 1: means that you can no longer be infected by that spot.
Speaker 1: But my god, like and Charlie's never had chicken pox,
Speaker 1: so that's really dangerous if you're adult getting she's vaccinated.
Speaker 1: He had one vaccination. He checked his medical records and
Speaker 1: he's had one vaccination for it, and you're mede to
Speaker 1: get two when you're a kid. So when it rains
Speaker 1: at pause like that is ridiculous. How do I get
Speaker 1: mastitis and the shing shingles?
Speaker 2: Well, you do yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Do have the world's worst bad luck.
Speaker 2: So he hasn't gotten it, like she would show it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she would show it. She's been a bit unsettled,
Speaker 1: but I think she's just like a bit more active
Speaker 1: and like maybe a bit bored, like, hey, we need
Speaker 1: to do new stuff, more stuff, like I'm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like I'm out of the newborn stage, like
Speaker 2: we can leave the house. Now, take me for a walk.
Speaker 1: Please, okay okay, and also rude like she has been vaccinated,
Speaker 1: but she can still get it. But the doctor was reassuring.
Speaker 1: She was like, look, if the girls get it, it's
Speaker 1: much better for them to have it as kids than
Speaker 1: it isn't as an adult. So just come in if
Speaker 1: they've got a ration, we'll take it from there. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking every day nothing.
Speaker 2: Yet whenever I see people with the stupid anti vax arguments,
Speaker 2: I always think about, I mean, obviously there's way worse
Speaker 2: things that we have vaccines for, but chicken pox, because
Speaker 2: it's something that stands out to me in my mind
Speaker 2: as a kid, how awful and itchy and the color
Speaker 2: mine lotion and everything. How often do you hear about
Speaker 2: a kid getting chicken pox these days?
Speaker 1: That is so true. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1: It's not a hofly. You just don't forget getting chicken pox.
Speaker 1: I remember being in the chemist itching and my grandparents
Speaker 1: having put socks on my hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they don't I need to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I am starting to feel Probably today is
Speaker 1: the best I felt in Ohanna, say, like ten days.
Speaker 1: So the mastitis is really almost cleared up. I think
Speaker 1: that was my pitch.
Speaker 2: Mas diitis is also like I have friends that have
Speaker 2: ended up in hospital with mastitis.
Speaker 1: It's awful. Well, the thing is with the mass artis
Speaker 1: is I caught it early. I hadn't had any fevers
Speaker 1: or anything yet, and I was like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I should go to the doctor, Like
Speaker 1: I haven't had a fever, but everything on the internet
Speaker 1: was saying go, go go, because you get the gets
Speaker 1: wet first. And I think I messaged you and you
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I didn't get it that bad because
Speaker 1: your dad was really on top of it.
Speaker 2: I literally had a fever one night and one boob
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, it was like the middle
Speaker 2: of summer. Still, all of a sudden, I was like
Speaker 2: putting all of these jumpers on and I was sitting
Speaker 2: at the table shivering, sweating, and my dad straight off
Speaker 2: the bat just went, you've got mast idis.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do this. But whatever.
Speaker 2: He had like an old box of anybotics that he
Speaker 2: hadn't used that weren't ones that I was allerge too,
Speaker 2: so he like made me take two doses that day
Speaker 2: and then like so I just got onto it and
Speaker 2: by the next day it was completely fine.
Speaker 1: It's so lucky, yeah, because you hear people just having
Speaker 1: as you said, fevers, having to go to hospital it
Speaker 1: coming back just like not being cleared properly and then
Speaker 1: you have to can turn into like a breast abscess.
Speaker 1: It's just insane. So really glad that I did go
Speaker 1: to the doctor. Really annoyed that I didn't point out
Speaker 1: the rash when I was there, but that's all right.
Speaker 1: We got there in the end.
Speaker 2: What's your pick.
Speaker 1: I have had a really lovely I would say two
Speaker 1: weeks with Rue. Our relationship after having Suki has been
Speaker 1: really rocky. And a lot of people say this that
Speaker 1: it's something that happens when you have your your second baby,
Speaker 1: is that your first baby is kind of pissed off
Speaker 1: at you for having the baby, and also just how
Speaker 1: much Charlie was the primary parent during my pregnancy because
Speaker 1: I was so exhausted and sick and tired and all
Speaker 1: of that jazz. And so it's been a minute since
Speaker 1: we've really connected and bonded. And I think because I'm
Speaker 1: out of that really intense fourth trimester newborn stage and
Speaker 1: the baby's kind of found a bit of a rhythm
Speaker 1: and I'm coming, you know, out of the fog, I've
Speaker 1: been able to actually have capacity to really invest in
Speaker 1: my relationship with Ru again. And oh, like I could cry,
Speaker 1: I don't want to because my makeup looks amazing today
Speaker 1: and I don't really get to put makeup on that
Speaker 1: often he does.
Speaker 2: That's so annoying because I'm just sitting here without a
Speaker 2: scrap of it on. Thank you look so pretty.
Speaker 1: It's just been so nice. And I think the Sheridan incident,
Speaker 1: I really hit ro bottom that day.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I shouldn't laugh for Sheridan sheet saga.
Speaker 1: When I had a breakdown in Sheridan because Rue was
Speaker 1: running circles around me, I had a bit of an
Speaker 1: epiphany in my breakdown and I just went, something is
Speaker 1: not right. I need to be able to handle this better.
Speaker 1: I've got to change something up, and it kind of
Speaker 1: goes with one of my goals for this year is
Speaker 1: to stop rushing all the time. And so now for
Speaker 1: the last week or so, I just am not rushing.
Speaker 1: We get home, like I'm getting her into the shower.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to get in the shower. I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like hurting her into the shower. I'm not
Speaker 1: being as like driven by the clock or like running
Speaker 1: against the clock in a way, I'm kind of just
Speaker 1: giving into it in a way of like she'll get
Speaker 1: to bed when she gets to bed, but it's not
Speaker 1: the hill I'm willing to die on anymore. I've come
Speaker 1: out of that newborn stage. The babies kind of hit
Speaker 1: a bit of a stride. But then I've also just
Speaker 1: been like I need to just give in to her
Speaker 1: being a kid and not try to parent because I
Speaker 1: need to get her into bed by a certain time.
Speaker 1: Like it's better for me if I just enjoy the
Speaker 1: time that we have together and take it slow. And yeah,
Speaker 1: do you want to pull out a big box of
Speaker 1: Safari toys and pull them out one by one and
Speaker 1: name what they are? When I'm trying to get your
Speaker 1: nappy on so that we can go and then have dinner.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Like before, I was so highly strung for
Speaker 1: some reason, Like I don't know why, but I was
Speaker 1: so highly strung and I was getting spun out by
Speaker 1: everything and I couldn't just enjoy the moment. And so
Speaker 1: I've really tried to do that for the last two
Speaker 1: weeks and it's just been so nice. Like I'm finding
Speaker 1: that we have these little moments that are really fun
Speaker 1: and I'm not stressed, and she's not as naughty because
Speaker 1: I'm not like forcing her to do stuff that she
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do in this time period that I've allotted.
Speaker 2: There's something to be said for having a routine but
Speaker 2: also letting kids go at their own pace to a
Speaker 2: certain extent because they know the routine they do.
Speaker 1: And that's the funniest thing. Is Like my thing is
Speaker 1: like shoes off, wash hands. We're doing a shower, right,
Speaker 1: and so she gets to the front door and she's like,
Speaker 1: shoes off, washhands, do will we go to shower? And
Speaker 1: then we get inside and as soon as she washes
Speaker 1: her hand, she runs away, Like so she knows the routine,
Speaker 1: but she's being a kid, And I think that I
Speaker 1: just got really highly strung for a moment. I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's like all to do with the new more stage
Speaker 1: and being overwhelmed by everything, But yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: little sherid and breakdown was a really good reset for me,
Speaker 1: just to be like, hey, this isn't working. What's gonna
Speaker 1: work for us? And does it really matter what time
Speaker 1: she goes to bed at night? Yeah? And it doesn't.
Speaker 1: And honestly, she ends up going to bed at like
Speaker 1: eight because she enjoys the time that we're having and
Speaker 1: that we're out having the big feelings.
Speaker 2: You know, she doesn't have a nap. What time does
Speaker 2: she wake up in the morning.
Speaker 1: She wakes up at like seven.
Speaker 2: I would say, Lene puts himself to bed a daycare.
Speaker 1: How funny is that? It's my favorite thing when roue
Speaker 1: at night is like I want to go to bed,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go to babe, let's go.
Speaker 1: And I'm like no books and no books. I'm like, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Fucking hate reading books. I hate it.
Speaker 1: So she pulled out five and then she bloody topped
Speaker 1: her drink bottle accidentally. She thought the lid was on top.
Speaker 1: I just filled it up, so it was a full
Speaker 1: bottle of water on the couch, and the couch was
Speaker 1: like stopping when I was like, I don't have to
Speaker 1: tell you no more books, like I've got to clean
Speaker 1: this up now, like let's just go to bed.
Speaker 2: And she was like, okay, okay, it's one thing that
Speaker 2: I don't like doing. I don't mind, but he wants
Speaker 2: to read the same bloody book every time. And I
Speaker 2: know you've said to hide it, but then he'll just
Speaker 2: find another one and then that will be the one
Speaker 2: that he wants to read every single bloody time.
Speaker 1: That's actually good for them the life.
Speaker 2: I know, but it's suck.
Speaker 1: No, look, it is so boring, But what makes it fun?
Speaker 1: I like, let them finish the sentence I say the first,
Speaker 1: and that kind of makes it fun because then you're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: they're really smart. I reckon that.
Speaker 2: When he wants to actually like do books like a
Speaker 2: you know, like a nice story rather than just random
Speaker 2: cars in a book, then I'll be more like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because I love to read and I like to do
Speaker 2: voices and the performance of it all.
Speaker 1: Actually, our producer matter got rude like a big book
Speaker 1: for her birthday, a big book of doctor Zeus like
Speaker 1: five stories, and I find those are really fun to
Speaker 1: read because they're tongue twisting and like sometimes I'll make mistakes,
Speaker 1: so like, I don't know, it's like for me to
Speaker 1: read to her rather than like something Mondane, Oh.
Speaker 2: I know what you mean. That's why I like reading
Speaker 2: Harry McClary exactly, because I want to get through it
Speaker 2: without mistakes. That's my goal, and like to do every
Speaker 2: all of the characters really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're up, cal Sorry, I waffled
Speaker 1: on a little bit there.
Speaker 2: First, up, we need to discuss my kit, which is
Speaker 2: having the two cats.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is not a peak.
Speaker 2: No, it's not a peak. Listen, I don't regret it
Speaker 2: at all, because it is literally the best thing ever
Speaker 2: for Lenny. He gets his kitty and he lugs her
Speaker 2: around the house, even though she's like a full size
Speaker 2: cat now and he's just still a very small boy,
Speaker 2: and he'll just be lugging her around the house and
Speaker 2: he goes, oh, I just love my kitty so much.
Speaker 2: I just love her. And he goes look at her
Speaker 2: little cheeks like things that I've obviously he's overheard me
Speaker 2: say about babies, and he goes, look mummy, rockabye baby,
Speaker 2: and he rocks her like he's a obsessed with her.
Speaker 2: They snuggle all night every night, like they are literal
Speaker 2: best friends.
Speaker 1: Of him snuggling her just so cute.
Speaker 2: Like it's exactly what we wanted for an animal for him,
Speaker 2: Like it's just so cute. But she drives me mad.
Speaker 2: And when we had Percy's sister, she just wasn't annoying.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Marge is just so annoying. First up,
Speaker 2: if anyone has any advice to get her to stop
Speaker 2: hissing on things. As I mentioned last week, she knows
Speaker 2: where her toilet is and just a couple of times
Speaker 2: a week she just is like, fuck you all, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna piss here, And it's just disgusting. She mews if
Speaker 2: she's not getting her own way all the time, and
Speaker 2: she's very loud with the meowing and the purring. She
Speaker 2: jumps up on the kitchen bench. I have a squirter
Speaker 2: that I squirt her with because she annoys me so much.
Speaker 2: I'll just be like, get off that because she jumps
Speaker 2: up on the kitchen bench. She jumps up on Lenny's
Speaker 2: table and tries to eat his food. She's just irritating me.
Speaker 2: And that's my pit because and she also crash tackles
Speaker 2: poor Percy.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing, right, because when you introduce a
Speaker 1: pet into the home, you have such high hopes that
Speaker 1: the personality will fit. And I think you've had a
Speaker 1: really good luck with the fact that you had Herbie,
Speaker 1: great personality, Percy and then Holly. They've all been really cool.
Speaker 2: Easy going cats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she is like me and a cat. I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember Charlie's family. They had Frankie who was like
Speaker 1: a rescue They think it was dingo mixed with something
Speaker 1: like she was just the coolest dog, but she just
Speaker 1: fucking hated humans. So they were just like, we've got
Speaker 1: this dog, and like she was loving at times, but
Speaker 1: she was more like a cat to be honest. She
Speaker 1: just was like wanted to be left alone. And I
Speaker 1: remember them just being like so disappointed. But you've got
Speaker 1: this animal. Now, You're like, you're not gonna give it
Speaker 1: up just because they've got a like Personali they're annoying,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna love them still, but yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a gamble bringing a new personality into the family.
Speaker 2: And I just feel so mean because she is so cute,
Speaker 2: Like she's so sweet and is just so loving. She
Speaker 2: just wants to be cuddled all the time, and she's
Speaker 2: always purring. And but I also think that I don't
Speaker 2: have the tolerance for a kitten that I would have
Speaker 2: prior as well.
Speaker 1: I think that that's really normal, Like I don't think
Speaker 1: i'd ever get a puppy. Like God, I think having
Speaker 1: al when I think I adopted him when he was
Speaker 1: like three or something, he'd already been toilet trained in
Speaker 1: every way and not annoying, you know, like kind of understood,
Speaker 1: like one with the flow, like I think getting a
Speaker 1: kitten or a puppy or like a baby animal. It's
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can probably hear her at the moment, meowing
Speaker 2: at the door because I won't let her in. But
Speaker 2: you know why I won't let her in because Percy
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like playing. Right now, Percy is sitting with
Speaker 2: me kindly with his little legs out, and he tolerates
Speaker 2: her tackling him all the time.
Speaker 1: It's so funny for the older pets because they're just
Speaker 1: like so pissed off. They're like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: They like get into her. I'm like, mom, geez, Anyway,
Speaker 2: my peak is kind of random, and I need to
Speaker 2: include the link to whatever recipe he uses in my
Speaker 2: show notes. But the peak is my dad's luxA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love luxA same.
Speaker 2: My Dad's been coming down to Sydney way more than
Speaker 2: he usually would to spend time with Nanny, and he
Speaker 2: stays with me because we live closer. One night he
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, I'm gonna cook luxA. This was ages
Speaker 2: ago now it was quite funny. Me and my girlfriend
Speaker 2: Sammy still giggle about it though, because she came over
Speaker 2: for dinner that night and I was like, oh, Dad's
Speaker 2: cooking luxA. And my dad is the crankiest man. He
Speaker 2: comes across as very charming to most people. He's probably
Speaker 2: kind of like me, just really charming, but also real
Speaker 2: cranky if you've got him in a mood. And so
Speaker 2: he was like grumbling around this night. Didn't even say
Speaker 2: hello to Sammy when she we've known each other, so
Speaker 2: so just rumbling around and then he just puts the
Speaker 2: luxA in front of us. But his presentation was just
Speaker 2: on point, with like the bean sprouts and the shalots
Speaker 2: and it was just so funny. Anyway, he made it
Speaker 2: again last night because he's down again. This week, there
Speaker 2: was like seven people that came over to my house
Speaker 2: because everyone wants his luxA. And it's just funny someone
Speaker 2: that doesn't cook, like he grew up not cooking in
Speaker 2: our house. He wasn't a cook. He would cook every
Speaker 2: now and then, but it was like sausages, you know.
Speaker 2: And now he's just the maker of this incredible luxA.
Speaker 1: I love that, though. Is that his retirement thing that
Speaker 1: he's gotten good into cooking?
Speaker 2: I guess he's just shown more of an interest since
Speaker 2: we sort of all left home, and probably more so
Speaker 2: since retiring. I also realized the other day that my
Speaker 2: parents retired quite young. They were both sixty. Like they've
Speaker 2: got hopefully a long road, so they've you know, cut
Speaker 2: time for hobbies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's epic.
Speaker 2: I love that, But I guess it's also just nice
Speaker 2: to spend a little bit more time with him. And
Speaker 2: it's also really nice when he comes down, given that
Speaker 2: Luke is on night shift, to have company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think that's really lovely. And any
Speaker 1: additional time that you get to spend with your family
Speaker 1: that you haven't planned, you know, it's always so precious.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly anyway, that is my peak. But after the break, can.
Speaker 1: I just be a bitch for a sec? It's our
Speaker 1: new segment to talk to me sometimes, Dolores. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to be a high riding bitch to survive. Okay,
Speaker 1: a quick reminder, Can I just be a bitch for
Speaker 1: a sec? Our new segment is a sixty second timed
Speaker 1: rant about something that's on our mind. It could be big, small,
Speaker 1: and then Cal and I discuss the topic. We'll be
Speaker 1: taking this in turns and this week I'm kicking things off.
Speaker 1: So here we go. Can I just be a bitch
Speaker 1: for a sec? Going from one to two? Okay, So
Speaker 1: my honest thoughts on this is that it is kind
Speaker 1: of psychotic, like I am an insane person for so
Speaker 1: willingly entering into this, because no one really told me.
Speaker 1: It was all like it'll be fine, like you've had
Speaker 1: a baby before, you'll know what to do. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know what to do with a baby because I've
Speaker 1: had a baby before, But you know what I haven't
Speaker 1: had before a three year old. And it's almost as
Speaker 1: if the three year old goes nuclear as soon as
Speaker 1: you have this baby. It has these big, deep feelings
Speaker 1: and you are left very sleep deprived, very emotional, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit of baby blues, trying to deal with
Speaker 1: a toddler that really doesn't like you anymore. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are probably listening to this being like, yeah, duh.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's almost as if you have
Speaker 1: no kids and you're like, we're going to have a baby,
Speaker 1: and people who are very steadfast on not having kids
Speaker 1: are like, that seems like a weird idea. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's what I was like, because if you are
Speaker 1: someone who has had one baby and they had a
Speaker 1: pretty okay time, they're just like, yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: have three. But if you ask someone who has had two,
Speaker 1: they will flat out tell you that they're going to
Speaker 1: have none. So my honest thoughts on having a second
Speaker 1: child right now going from one to two, Look, it
Speaker 1: really depends on the day you ask me, because someday
Speaker 1: I'm like, I will never have a child again, and
Speaker 1: then other days I literally say I might.
Speaker 2: Have a thood. You're insane, I know, Okay, so talk
Speaker 2: to us about going from one to two, because every
Speaker 2: time we spoke, especially in the first oh six weeks
Speaker 2: or so, I don't want to say you sounded regretful,
Speaker 2: but I think you definitely had moments where you were, like,
Speaker 2: more so about Rue.
Speaker 1: Really, you think it's almost going to be like the
Speaker 1: first time, like and if you've had a pretty kind
Speaker 1: of textbook experience with your first then you kind of
Speaker 1: think it's going to be the same. And it is.
Speaker 1: Like when I was in the depths of the sleep
Speaker 1: deprivation and trying to feed and figuring it all out,
Speaker 1: there was comfort in knowing that I'd done it before
Speaker 1: and I had a bit of a confidence to it.
Speaker 1: But what I didn't expect was kind of like seeing
Speaker 1: Rue and Charlie like it was almost quite lonely during
Speaker 1: that time, because I felt like in order to survive,
Speaker 1: you had to divide and conquer. So Charlie was automatically
Speaker 1: Rue and I was on the baby. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: a newborn baby can't take that much from their father
Speaker 1: at the beginning if you are breastfeeding, and just in general,
Speaker 1: they want to be with you. They've been inside of
Speaker 1: you for ten months, but it does feel like you're
Speaker 1: a little bit solo. And I felt like I almost
Speaker 1: was a little bit jealous of Charlie and Rue's relationship
Speaker 1: because right at that time, it was almost like I
Speaker 1: had seen Ru for the first time in months, like
Speaker 1: I had the capacity to see her, and she was
Speaker 1: so big. Charlie kept saying, it's just because you've had
Speaker 1: the baby and the baby's so small that now you
Speaker 1: see ruin she's so big. But I got really upset
Speaker 1: because I was like, I feel like I've missed I've
Speaker 1: missed her growing. Like the last time we were always
Speaker 1: holding hands, her hands were half the size as they
Speaker 1: are now. Like I got really sentimental about Rue. Then
Speaker 1: you see get all these waves of emotions because your
Speaker 1: first kid ends up like resenting you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Like Ru was never horrible to me, Well, she was
Speaker 1: probably a little bit, but she had these extra big
Speaker 1: fear And what was really hard was watching her hang
Speaker 1: out with Charlie and be completely the Rue I've always known,
Speaker 1: like so funny, so cheeky, all of that, and then
Speaker 1: come to me and it's like she just didn't she
Speaker 1: the devil sports words with me. Yeah, And I really questioned,
Speaker 1: like for the first time if I was meant to
Speaker 1: be a mum, Like I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm even meant to be a mum of two kids,
Speaker 1: Like I can't even handle my toddler, like and then
Speaker 1: I started imagining life, like what would it have been
Speaker 1: like maybe if we waited a bit more, and I
Speaker 1: got to see her kind of turn into this like
Speaker 1: three year old toddler. I don't know. It just made
Speaker 1: me think, like I really became a parent that I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be. And that was kind of what
Speaker 1: I was talking about in my peak today, was like
Speaker 1: I was just really highly strung when I was looking
Speaker 1: after her, and that was what was really hard was
Speaker 1: I think I was really upset about the things I
Speaker 1: had lost being pregnant and then obviously going into newborn territory.
Speaker 2: I think that although people can sort of talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, we did that episode, what's it really like
Speaker 2: to go from one to to them, we had the
Speaker 2: different perspectives. Yeah, unless you're sort of in the middle
Speaker 2: of it, you can't really articulate how or like estranged,
Speaker 2: you can almost feel, yeah, from your toddler and your husband,
Speaker 2: but mostly your toddler, because like you know, you sort
Speaker 2: of expect it with your husband, but you probably don't
Speaker 2: expect it as much with your toddler. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't. It kind of hit me out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: and it was just it was really strange because I
Speaker 1: think I was so consumed by my very shit pregnancy
Speaker 1: that I just was surviving.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't being a particularly amazing mum. Probably, I was
Speaker 1: just surviving during that time. And as soon as I
Speaker 1: had the baby, it was like I could see clearly
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more and they're over thirty five, get pregnant, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's no easy feat. There's a reason we're supposed to
Speaker 2: have baby's at sixty. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think I went into the doctor and she,
Speaker 1: you know, they say, oh, how's your mental health? And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, it's it's not great,
Speaker 1: a bit grappy. I've had the blues and you know.
Speaker 1: And she said, don't stress out about your toddlers so much,
Speaker 1: because this is not a time where they really need you.
Speaker 1: Like they're going to need you when they're older and
Speaker 1: you're going to be present for that. It's okay right
Speaker 1: now to not be the primary parent. Give yourself a
Speaker 1: bit of grace. I think as a mum, you just
Speaker 1: think you want to be their world. I was her
Speaker 1: world for so long because I did everything. Charlie worked
Speaker 1: a lot, and then suddenly it's like Dad comes in
Speaker 1: this night and shining armor and he's like her world suddenly,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, well, so then it's just me
Speaker 1: and Sukin. And then I'm like, well, it's not us
Speaker 1: against them. But like this is where my brain was going,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't want to sound too complaining.
Speaker 1: It was amazing seeing them relationship deepen, and you know,
Speaker 1: and now because he was so much of that primary parent,
Speaker 1: it's now like he makes a point to come home
Speaker 1: for bedtime at a minimum, and he'll keep working after that.
Speaker 1: But I guess I am a little bit sad that
Speaker 1: I'm no longer the everything. Yeah, I don't know, which
Speaker 1: sounds a bit silly.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't sound silly, because Luke's even pointed that
Speaker 2: out to me before, Because sometimes I find it so
Speaker 2: frustrating when len is just so obsessed with me and
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to bar of anyone else, even Luke. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but Luke's pointed out, you know, and it's true if
Speaker 2: it was the other way around, you'd be so off it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And it's true I still would like him to get
Speaker 2: off me sometimes, though.
Speaker 1: I think what was probably another thing which which we
Speaker 1: did handle well, or I think I did handle well,
Speaker 1: was like I really had to tap out of the
Speaker 1: little things that make me happy as a mum. And
Speaker 1: I think that probably contributed to it. But it was
Speaker 1: almost like I had to be a bit selfish. I
Speaker 1: had to set boundaries on exactly like what I could
Speaker 1: and couldn't do, things like perfect lunchboxes, you know, like
Speaker 1: Charlie was just honestly still doing lunchboxes now, like he's
Speaker 1: doing a great job. But it was just that I
Speaker 1: had to let go of the things that I love
Speaker 1: about being a mom, like creating.
Speaker 2: I loved doing lunchboxes.
Speaker 1: My love language is gift giving, like I loved You're
Speaker 1: very good at it gifts, and I think doing a
Speaker 1: lunch box every day is like giving a little bit
Speaker 1: of a gift, you know. And so it was hard
Speaker 1: just giving up the things that I think to find
Speaker 1: me as a mom, Like, you know, I wasn't doing
Speaker 1: drop off, I wasn't taking her own little walks or
Speaker 1: excursions like that was the really hard part. But the
Speaker 1: best part about it, and everyone says this, so it's
Speaker 1: like nothing new, but is seeing them together. Because while
Speaker 1: she had these really big feelings towards me. She has
Speaker 1: loved her sister from the first time that they have met,
Speaker 1: and it's so cute because she grew is the person
Speaker 1: that can make Suki laugh the most. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. And like when she started smiling, was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry because it's so cute. Ru was like, look, mom, look,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, she's smiling at you. She's smiling
Speaker 1: at you. And she every time she'd be like, look
Speaker 1: look because she'd never done it before, and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, look at what Suki's doing. And she
Speaker 1: would just that is just the cutest thing. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Like I'd lay Suki down on her like play mat
Speaker 1: and have the little wooden thing with the dangly bits
Speaker 1: whatever it's called, the mobile is it, and like there's
Speaker 1: no room, it's a tiny little playmat. Anyway, Rue just
Speaker 1: kind of like squeezes in and she's.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just gonna scoot chun in here.
Speaker 1: And then she's like telling Suki because they're like different animals,
Speaker 1: She's like, this one your favorite. Yeah, I like purple,
Speaker 1: like this elephant. Yeah, I like purple. You like green?
Speaker 1: You like green? And I was just like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is this is what I always wanted. I always wanted
Speaker 1: a sister to share my life with, and Ru is
Speaker 1: so caring and sharing. To see her with a sister
Speaker 1: is just like so cute. And to know that they're
Speaker 1: going to like have each other, you know, for their
Speaker 1: lifetime is like through everything. Yeah, so it's all worth
Speaker 1: a bit wow. Like, yeah, I mourned the relationship I
Speaker 1: had with Rue a lot, but it does come back
Speaker 1: to it, like it comes full circle and then you
Speaker 1: start to like meet each other again and form that
Speaker 1: bond again.
Speaker 2: So what would you say the hardest moments that you've
Speaker 2: just gone Oh, my very word.
Speaker 1: I think anytime you're looking after both of them and
Speaker 1: that early new newborn stage. Even now, like I have
Speaker 1: one day a week with just Rue and Suki where
Speaker 1: I'm by myself. So the one day that Rud doesn't
Speaker 1: go to daycare, that was one of the days that
Speaker 1: I have my share to meltdown. That was a Friday,
Speaker 1: and most Fridays, Charlie would have to come home early
Speaker 1: to help me. The hardest part is, yeah, having them
Speaker 1: both by yourself and trying to do anything.
Speaker 2: Because with you were so like your postpartum period with
Speaker 2: Suki has been so different to Ru's. You were out
Speaker 2: and about every day, going to your moms and bubs,
Speaker 2: at the movies, going for your walks, going for like
Speaker 2: you were so out there with Rue. But yeah, Suki,
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm just gonna stay here for me.
Speaker 1: That's been the hardest thing. It's like I have not
Speaker 1: wanted to leave the house. I've been like too exhausted.
Speaker 1: I think the exhaustion and everyone talks about this is
Speaker 1: on it because you're like, have a toddler. It's like
Speaker 1: Rue gets into our bed pretty much every night in
Speaker 1: the morning, so we don't sleep in, like we get
Speaker 1: up when she wants to get up, so you don't
Speaker 1: have the luxury of that spare time. Because the spare time.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, before it was one kid, so my
Speaker 1: brain was just solely on one kid. Now it's barely
Speaker 1: on Suki. It's just like eat, sleep, shit, repeat. And
Speaker 1: when she's asleep, I'm like, all right, what do I
Speaker 1: need to do for this toddler? Your brain capacit is
Speaker 1: just so small, Like, yeah, I feel like my world
Speaker 1: shrunk a little bit more and it is so much
Speaker 1: harder for me to get out the house, and when
Speaker 1: I have them, it's like the times that I have
Speaker 1: tried to get out the house with them has turned
Speaker 1: to absolute shit. So then it makes you want to
Speaker 1: stay in more, which isn't great for the toddler. So
Speaker 1: that would be the hardest part, just that it is
Speaker 1: so different to your first matt leave in my experience,
Speaker 1: and just having to kind of go with the flow,
Speaker 1: like really learning to go with the flow, which I
Speaker 1: was really good at with one kid and struggled a
Speaker 1: little bit with two. But now we're back on that train.
Speaker 1: So oh. I just think anyone out there who's going
Speaker 1: through it right now, like in the depths of just
Speaker 1: in that newborn stage, and they're like, what, maybe what
Speaker 1: have I done? Or this isn't quite what I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be. It does get better. Like
Speaker 1: I look to my friends who have kids now with
Speaker 1: their two kids, and they're in maybe like six and
Speaker 1: four something, and they are just having the best time.
Speaker 1: They are going on holidays and the kids are like
Speaker 1: self sufficient but fun and like they're doing the best stuff,
Speaker 1: and they're all just like, don't worry, girl, it gets better.
Speaker 1: Like this, It's gonna get so much better. And this
Speaker 1: like little blip and time is going to feel like nothing,
Speaker 1: So just keep going.
Speaker 2: I have a few recommendations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that you've added an extra one.
Speaker 2: I did because I just thought of it. Well, I
Speaker 2: thought of it while you were talking earlier, and I
Speaker 2: popped it in because it's a great recommendation.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: So first one is something that you can enjoy if
Speaker 2: you enjoy medical dramas.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I've just well not just but a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago we finished The Pit and I have a
Speaker 1: big hole in my heart where the Pit used to live.
Speaker 2: What's the Pit? Okay, Well, this is Key Reese Sells's recommendation.
Speaker 1: It's called The Pit. It's something like maybe twelve episodes.
Speaker 1: It's set in a Pittsburgh emergency room, and the premises
Speaker 1: each episode is an hour of a twelve hour shift
Speaker 1: in an emergence room. Oh yes, okay, And the series
Speaker 1: starts on like the first day where these kind of
Speaker 1: like junior doctors have joined the team, and it goes
Speaker 1: through what happens in a twelve hour shift and it's
Speaker 1: freaking crazy. So you really get to see what it
Speaker 1: is like on the front line of medical emergencies in America.
Speaker 1: And it's really interesting because when this show launched in
Speaker 1: the States, he's like, yeah, I really liked it. It
Speaker 1: was what we watched it at my new on stage.
Speaker 1: There were all of these medical professionals who came out
Speaker 1: and said, this show is the most accurate show we
Speaker 1: have ever seen about what it is truly like to
Speaker 1: be a medical professional in the United States. So there
Speaker 1: are so many things that happens, and I want to
Speaker 1: tell you too much because I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: what the beauty of it in watching it, but.
Speaker 2: It's just how many amazons.
Speaker 1: This is the first season, so it's been renewed for
Speaker 1: a second season. I believe the second season will come
Speaker 1: out at the beginning of twenty twenty six. So honestly,
Speaker 1: I have recommended it to so many people. It is
Speaker 1: thrilling to watch. It's heartbreaking, but you just realize, like
Speaker 1: how much those doctors and nurses are dealing with on
Speaker 1: a daily basis.
Speaker 2: Doctors and nurses, It's insane. I went to see Adam
Speaker 2: Kay last month and he wrote a book called This
Speaker 2: Is Going to Hurt. There's a really good TV series
Speaker 2: I think also on Binch, which is based on the
Speaker 2: book that he wrote, he was a doctor in the
Speaker 2: NHS in the UK for gosh, twenty years or whatnot,
Speaker 2: and it's a he always talks so much about the
Speaker 2: mental health of the frontline workers in the UK, in Australia,
Speaker 2: in America, every single place in the entire world, and
Speaker 2: I think that we forget about that. Sometimes you forget
Speaker 2: about the real person that has to deal with everyone
Speaker 2: in the waiting room, the heartbreak of seeing the most awful,
Speaker 2: awful thing, like the mental health. I sometimes think of
Speaker 2: my dad and why he is so cranky. It's because
Speaker 2: of forty years of just seeing the most fucked up
Speaker 2: shit as a paramedic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so first on seeing ugh, just just that they're
Speaker 1: expected just to go from especially like in an emergency room,
Speaker 1: like going from patient to patient, like you might lose
Speaker 1: a patient and then there's just another one waiting there
Speaker 1: for you to pick up. Like where is the time
Speaker 1: for these professionals to really digest what's happened? And they
Speaker 1: go through a lot of that because obviously these new
Speaker 1: junior doctors that are starting have their first losses and
Speaker 1: you know they kind of navigating that and you see
Speaker 1: that in real time across a shift. You know, having
Speaker 1: a loss and a shift, but still having ten hours
Speaker 1: of a shift left to get.
Speaker 2: Through going home. Remember when we had Sandy, my bestI
Speaker 2: on I think it was last year, returned to work.
Speaker 2: We can link it in the show notes. And she
Speaker 2: is a nurse with the Mark Hughes Foundation. So dealing
Speaker 2: with brain cancer, like I set, how do you compartmentalize
Speaker 2: that literally dying and then going home to your three kids.
Speaker 2: It's just it would be so hard for them. Yeah, okay, well,
Speaker 2: thank you, Kiris, because now I'm adding that to my list,
Speaker 2: So you can add Pulse on Netflix to your list.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Tell me about it.
Speaker 2: It's a medical drama based in Florida in the US.
Speaker 2: It's more about the lives of the doctors though, but
Speaker 2: there is still like a really good amount of the
Speaker 2: emergencies and the cases and that sort of thing. It's
Speaker 2: just the one season, and it's also it goes to
Speaker 2: flashbacks because it's based around a sexual harassment claim. Oh
Speaker 2: interesting within the hospital. It's so good. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's very far fetched, and I'm sure doctors
Speaker 2: are probably like, this is absolutely it's very Gray's Anatomy
Speaker 2: vibe that's good though there's a place for grace hotties.
Speaker 2: Hotties with their dramas. But I absolutely loved it, so
Speaker 2: did my sister and wear big connoisseurs kind of whatever
Speaker 2: that word is for medical dramas, and we have very
Speaker 2: high expectations because we are long standing Grades Anatomy fans.
Speaker 2: So that's on Netflix. There's just the one season, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if they will renew it because it's
Speaker 2: one of those shows it was like, I want to
Speaker 2: know what else is going to happen, But it also
Speaker 2: did neatly wrap up, so I don't know, is there.
Speaker 1: A space for a second season. Maybe it'd be a
Speaker 1: different like still under the same umbrella, but it'd be
Speaker 1: a whole new group of doctors and something's happened.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's definitely a lot that they could still
Speaker 2: explore within that group. Okay, but the main thing, or
Speaker 2: the main two or three things were closed nicely, which
Speaker 2: I really appreciate with a pilot show, and they don't
Speaker 2: know if they're going to get another season, Like, let's
Speaker 2: not leave too many things open.
Speaker 1: Ended it really I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree my next two recommendations, I'll try to keep
Speaker 2: them brief. It's not anything new, but I talked about
Speaker 2: it on Insta and a lot of people like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's such a good idea, so I thought i'd mentioned
Speaker 2: it is putting a platter out for dinner. So every
Speaker 2: Monday night now, Lenny and I have a platter for dinner,
Speaker 2: so I cut up cheese, we have crackers. I cut
Speaker 2: up so much fruit and veg and it's also for me.
Speaker 2: I struggle really hard to eat healthy food because I'm
Speaker 2: very lazy, but I have to cut it up anyway
Speaker 2: for us, So it's like one way for me to
Speaker 2: eat a lot of fruit and vegetables, whereas I might
Speaker 2: not at different other points during the week. And He'll
Speaker 2: always try one of everything, which I love. It's just
Speaker 2: really really fun, and it's a great way to get
Speaker 2: them to try different things and eat different foods because
Speaker 2: it's like a little game for them as well, and
Speaker 2: it's such a fun little treat.
Speaker 1: I think that's such a good idea, such a good idea.
Speaker 1: A girlfriend of mine has toast nights, so on nights
Speaker 1: when she just cannot be bothered cooking totally, yeah, she'll
Speaker 1: put all the spreads out so then the kids can
Speaker 1: have whatever spreads that they want on toasts. I just
Speaker 1: think that's so fun, like imagining an adult and thinking
Speaker 1: back to that, like remember when Mum used to do toast.
Speaker 2: I think anything where we can cut the expectations of
Speaker 2: a home cooked meal that they're probably not going to
Speaker 2: fucking eat anyway. Oven food sometimes, I'm not Let's just
Speaker 2: have an oven food night. Those Dino nugs.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, that's such a good idea.
Speaker 2: Especially because Luke is at work and I never cook
Speaker 2: for myself. I'm just gods, I'm so lazy. Anything where
Speaker 2: I can just what can we both have? That is
Speaker 2: so easy. Finally, beer pong. Beer pong is my favorite game,
Speaker 2: Like I love It's not my favorite game, but I
Speaker 2: love playing it so much. Yeah, I've taught Lenny how
Speaker 2: to play. That's genius, it is. He's so much better
Speaker 2: than me at it. I'm like, you're going to slay
Speaker 2: when you're of drinking age, my friend. We set up
Speaker 2: the cups. Listen. He doesn't follow the rules exactly, but
Speaker 2: it's really fun for me because I love beer pong,
Speaker 2: so I consider it good practice and he just has
Speaker 2: so much fun with it. So we get the cups out.
Speaker 2: We've got all the balls. It's great teacher kid how
Speaker 2: to play beer pongle.
Speaker 1: Those games are so good to play, especially if there's
Speaker 1: maybe if you've got different colored balls or something like that,
Speaker 1: so you're like, let's get the yellow ball into the
Speaker 1: red cup or just to tweak it a little bit
Speaker 1: and turn it educational. Yeah, exactly, and it's good for
Speaker 1: hand eye coordination. Amazing, such good records.
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