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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Good morning from gadigal Land.

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Speaker 1: I'm Taylor Strato. In the spirit of New Year, New me,

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Speaker 1: many of us are re examining our relationship with alcohol.

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Speaker 1: For a lot of women, that glass of wine at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day isn't just about relaxing. It's

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Speaker 1: about coping or taking the edge off a brain that

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Speaker 1: never quite switches off. More and more women are realizing

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Speaker 1: what looks like social drinking can actually be self medicating

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Speaker 1: undiagnosed or undertreated disorders or conditions. We'll be talking to

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Speaker 1: an Aussie mum with ADHD about her life altering realization

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Speaker 1: once she quit alcohol before we get there. Clamurphy's got

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Speaker 1: your News headlines for Thursday, January fifteenth.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Taylor. Australia's most prominent neo Nazi groups have announced

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Speaker 2: they will disband ahead of the introduction of the new

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Speaker 2: federal anti hate speech laws, but they will still be watched.

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Speaker 2: Draft laws, to be debated next week when Parliament returns early,

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Speaker 2: would introduce a framework to outlaw hate groups that fall

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Speaker 2: below a threshold to designate them a terrorist organization. Organizers,

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Speaker 2: supporters and recruiters of those listed groups face up to

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Speaker 2: fifteen years in jail and members will face seven years

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Speaker 2: behind bars. Labor MP Josh Burns says it was a

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Speaker 2: fundamentally good thing. The Nationalist Socialist Network said they would

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Speaker 2: disband after the draft legislation was released on Tuesday. However,

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Speaker 2: he said they will continue to be surveiled, saying he

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Speaker 2: doesn't trust their public statements, so they'll have to make

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Speaker 2: sure the organization and its members don't continue to recruit

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Speaker 2: or promote the bid too. Strength and hate speech laws

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Speaker 2: are in response to an Islamic State inspired attack on

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Speaker 2: a Jewish Haunaker celebration at Bondai Beach on December fourteenth,

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Speaker 2: in which a father and son are accused of killing

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Speaker 2: fifteen people and injuring more than forty others. Anti government

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Speaker 2: protests that have shaken Iran for more than two weeks

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Speaker 2: appear to be calming, according to analysts and residents, the

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Speaker 2: decline in protest activities being attributed to warnings from US

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump that the United States may take military

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Speaker 2: action over the killing of peaceful demonstrators. A report published

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Speaker 2: by the US based Critical Threats Project shows only seven

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Speaker 2: protests were recorded across six provinces on Tuesday, a sharp

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Speaker 2: drop from last Thursday, when one hundred and fifty six

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Speaker 2: demonstrations were documented in twenty seven of Iran's thirty one provinces.

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Speaker 2: The author's caution that the true scale of protest activity

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Speaker 2: remains difficult to assess due to widespread internet shutdowns that

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Speaker 2: have restricted the flow of information. They also pointed to

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Speaker 2: the high number of reported casualties during the unrest, noting

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Speaker 2: that the level of brutality may be discouraging protesters and

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Speaker 2: decreasing the rate of protest activity. The US based Human

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Speaker 2: rights activist News Agency has said that more than two

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Speaker 2: thy four hundred demonstrators have been killed, a figure that

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Speaker 2: would make the crackdown the deadliest in Iran's recent history.

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Speaker 2: To European officials, said US military intervention appeared likely, with

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Speaker 2: one saying it could come in the next twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Officials from Greenland and Denmark have met with White House

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Speaker 2: officials in Washington, as US President Donald Trump continues to

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Speaker 2: President JD. Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio spend

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Speaker 2: hours speaking with the Danish and Greenlandic foreign ministers to

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Speaker 2: Danish rule. But just a few hours before the meeting,

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Speaker 2: Trump took to social media, writing that the US needs

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Speaker 2: Greenland for the purpose of national security and that NATO

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Speaker 2: to happen. He went on to write that NATO becomes

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Speaker 2: far more formidable and effective with Greenland in the hands

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Speaker 2: of the United States, saying anything less than that is unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: Denmark's prime minister has warned that any move by the

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Speaker 2: the NATO agreement. Greenland's Prime minister YenS Frederick Nielsen, saying

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Speaker 2: is strategically important for many countries as climate change leads

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Speaker 2: It could also make extracting and transporting critical mineral deposits easier.

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Speaker 2: Trump claims the territory would make the US's Golden Dome

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Speaker 2: them to access untapped natural resources. Controversial. US Health Secretary

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Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy Jr. Has given some insight into President Trump's

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Speaker 2: concerning diet, saying I don't know how he's alive, but

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Speaker 2: Kennedy said that if you travel with him, you get

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Speaker 2: this idea that he's just pumping himself full of poison

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Speaker 1: Thanks Clare Next, our relationship with alcohol where you talk

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Speaker 1: to an assy mum who stopped drinking and finally understood

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Speaker 1: her brain. For a lot of women, the patent starts young.

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Speaker 1: You discover you can drink in high volumes. You're the

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Speaker 1: fun parties, the Mimosa girl at brunch. Fast forward a

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Speaker 1: For women with ADHD diagnosed or not, that slide can

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Speaker 1: happen faster. But are you happy? Host and clinical psychologists

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Speaker 1: Anastasia Hernas says, ADHD brains are always looking for a dopamine.

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Speaker 3: Here, dope mean is very much related to drive and

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Speaker 3: motivation to seek out rewards, and so what this might

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Speaker 3: mean is that people with ADHD feel quite impulsive. They

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Speaker 1: As Anastasia says, and ADHD brain is constantly, almost instinctively

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Speaker 1: looking for anything that will boost it, novelty risk, sugar scrolling,

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Speaker 1: and in some cases alcohol. That's something mummamea writer analytes,

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Speaker 1: Todd knows all too well. Analytics has been documenting the

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Speaker 1: impact alcohol or lack their of has had on her life, mind,

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Speaker 1: and body following an ADHD diagnosis in her forties. Analise,

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Speaker 1: what was your relationship with alcohol like prior to your

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Speaker 4: Well, you've been out with me, Taylor, so you've seen

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Speaker 4: it irl in the wild. But I've always been a

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Speaker 4: binge drinker, like as a teenager. Definitely, it's something that like,

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Speaker 1: And what about after you were diagnosed because you were

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Speaker 1: one of these people, which it's really common women getting

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Speaker 1: age kids. Now, yeah, tell me about how you reexamined

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Speaker 4: I realized that I was just drinking far too much,

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Speaker 4: was probably overdone admittedly when socially, and then it just became,

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Speaker 4: And it's not an excuse. People say, oh, you're just

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Speaker 4: using it as an excuse. It's absolutely not. And it's

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Speaker 4: It was more because I wanted a healthier lifestyle and

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Speaker 4: there's something like the stat is people with ADHD brains

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Speaker 4: we do is that we're constantly looking for ways to

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Speaker 4: But then it is that self fulfilling prophecy of it

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Speaker 1: So I think for you ANALYSI, you've identified they're the

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Speaker 1: re examine their own relationship with alcohol. You've recently been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say there's a checklist in the article

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Speaker 4: Self compassion and don't fall into shame because it is

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Speaker 4: when I've had a bad day, or I'm feeling anxious

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Speaker 4: And when you remove that crutch, it's really really tough,

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Speaker 4: but you go through the pain, you process it, and

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Speaker 4: ultimately you do feel better when you're not numbing and

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Speaker 2: But it is hard, it's tough.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 1: us today. If this conversation has stirred up any feelings

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Speaker 1: for you, health is available. You can contact Lifeline on

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Speaker 1: thirteen eleven fourteen or the National Alcohol and Drug Information

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Speaker 1: So make sure you're following the Quiki wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your pods, and while you're there, give us a rating two.

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Speaker 1: The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano, Alaria Brophy

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Speaker 1: and Clamurphy, with audio production by Lou Hill.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on