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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on. I'm a Shiny

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Speaker 2: Dante host of But Are You Happy? Did you know

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Speaker 2: that one in five Australians experience and mental health condition

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Speaker 2: each year? Yet too many suffer in silence. Talking about

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Speaker 2: our feelings and experiences is one of the most powerful

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Speaker 2: steps towards healing and knowing we're not alone. That's why

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Speaker 2: we're introducing I Never told you This, a series created

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Speaker 2: to spark honest, meaningful conversations that support better mental well being,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Medibank.

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Speaker 3: But you didn't try to hide it.

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Speaker 1: I did try and hide it. I've been hiding it

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Speaker 1: for twenty years.

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Speaker 4: Two people, One big reveal. I never told you this

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Speaker 4: A simple card game where one question could change everything.

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Speaker 4: It starts like, what more things brings me joy?

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to answer that.

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Speaker 4: Then comes the moment that could shift a relationship forever.

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Speaker 4: As they finish this seme, I never told you this.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you.

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Speaker 3: They never told you this.

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Speaker 4: Today, mother and daughter, Casey and Sally will be sitting

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Speaker 4: down together.

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling a tiny bit nervous.

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Speaker 4: Casey has something bach you would like to tell her mother.

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Speaker 5: This is just like the final thing that I want

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Speaker 5: to tell her. So, Mum, how are you feeling.

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Speaker 6: Little bit nervous? Not sure what the questions are going

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Speaker 6: to be? Confident in your hands?

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Speaker 5: All right, I've got these Madibank family roast cards which

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Speaker 5: are going to help me today to reveal something to you.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start question number one.

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Speaker 5: What is the most ridiculous fashion trend you've ever followed?

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Speaker 6: Back in the sixties the very high platform shoes because

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Speaker 6: most of my boyfriends ended up being short so tall,

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Speaker 6: so I had to cut those out. I'm now going

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Speaker 6: to pick up a car. What do you think your

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Speaker 6: most useless talent is?

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Speaker 5: I can barely dance with my tongue. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if you know that about me.

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Speaker 3: No, yes, do you want me to do it? Yes?

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Speaker 3: That is? That is? That is gross.

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Speaker 5: I'm so useless. Okay, So now another one. I've never

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Speaker 5: told you this. Oh no, I tell you absolutely everything,

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Speaker 5: even rude things, but this I didn't tell you because

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Speaker 5: it's not something I'm proud of and it's something I regret.

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Speaker 1: So you're not growing up.

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Speaker 5: You always told me no drugs, no tattoos.

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Speaker 3: Oh I got a tattoo. I've seen it on you.

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Speaker 6: Oh must be crazy to think that I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: You didn't know it's here.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I just didn't say anything anyway. I'm

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Speaker 1: not proud.

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Speaker 3: It's small.

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Speaker 5: It was a warning writing French word underneath my rib

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Speaker 5: ill Sophia do lesp.

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Speaker 1: It means like you just have to breathe.

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Speaker 5: It's just actually now morphed into looking like something illegible.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. So I did it when I was like twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one.

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Speaker 5: I'm now forty and I'm in the protest of getting

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Speaker 5: a remove, which is a very long, painful process.

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Speaker 6: But I think you should have just kept it there.

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Speaker 5: No, because I don't want my little girl to see

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Speaker 5: and get any ideas, and I just want to have

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Speaker 5: like a clean body.

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Speaker 6: I can't quite remember when I first noticed it, but

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Speaker 6: you're either in a bikini getting in the bath, and

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Speaker 6: I won't say anything because I just thought, oh, she

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Speaker 6: won't want me to know that.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't angry. I just thought, of course, she got

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Speaker 6: a tattoo. I suppose I was a little bit annoyed.

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Speaker 6: I thought, of course, she went behind my back and

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Speaker 6: got it when I specifically said don't. I didn't discuss

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Speaker 6: it with anyone, not even your sister.

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Speaker 1: Oh really no, Oh god, that's interesting.

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Speaker 6: Maybe deep down I wasn't happy with you for doing

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Speaker 6: it typical cases, you had to do something rebellious. But

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Speaker 6: it's okay because it's just in a small.

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Speaker 1: Way, a big dragon on the back.

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Speaker 3: Anyway. But you didn't try to hide it.

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Speaker 1: I did try and hide it. I've been hiding it

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Speaker 1: for twenty years. There's a lord of hiding.

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Speaker 5: And in the shower, I still have to turn every

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Speaker 5: time you walk past.

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Speaker 1: I have to turn so that you don't say.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to do that every.

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Speaker 1: Single time, because, like I'm you know, we're open.

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Speaker 3: So what did you say?

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Speaker 5: Say you thought I thought you'd be so upset because

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Speaker 5: you really told me no drugs, no tattoos.

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Speaker 1: And I listened to the first part, what.

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Speaker 3: About the drugs? Yeah, I didn't do the drug Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Good, Now you've got your own daughter, Yes you'll understand,

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Speaker 6: yes I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the rest of this episode of I never told

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Speaker 2: you this right after the break.

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Speaker 5: It was actually not like me to go and do

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Speaker 5: something like this. So that's why I've kept it from you,

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Speaker 5: because it was a peer pressured into it. But no,

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Speaker 5: I haven't been happy with it ever since.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a burden to carry around hide in something.

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Speaker 6: But I also knew that whatever you had to tell me,

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Speaker 6: and I did say this to you, I will already know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as I'm a step ahead.

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Speaker 5: I'm impressed and shocked.

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Speaker 6: Even though you think I'm not, I do think you're not.

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Speaker 6: But what led to you going to do it?

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Speaker 5: You are really a breakup a breakup, and then I

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Speaker 5: was just a feeling a bit out of control.

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Speaker 3: Did it make you feel better?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, temporarily. Did you have any heartbreak when you were younger?

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Speaker 6: I had a lot of heartbreak, a lot of tragedies

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Speaker 6: in my life. It pushes you to another level so

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Speaker 6: that you are forced to investigate and to work out

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Speaker 6: how to heal yourself. I think I was able to

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Speaker 6: give you a really good advice because of my own experience.

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Speaker 5: Remember when you created me, that specially your book. I

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Speaker 5: hadn't met anyone, I was unmarried, I didn't have a child,

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Speaker 5: going through a really hard time. I wish I still

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Speaker 5: had it, But you wrote me a book about how

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Speaker 5: to cope, And really that was something very special.

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Speaker 6: I think I just wrote for three hours straight every

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Speaker 6: self help, thought, idea, and I just poured my heart

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Speaker 6: out because I was so upset for you that things

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Speaker 6: weren't working out.

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Speaker 5: It set the part for me to do some really

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Speaker 5: amazing things in my life.

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Speaker 1: And gave me a lot of confidence.

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Speaker 5: So I really appreciate it and brought my little Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 5: it's true.

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Speaker 6: Your little daughter, my granddaughter, brings me such joy every

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Speaker 6: time I see her.

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Speaker 3: She makes my heart explode.

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Speaker 6: She's just so feisty and gorgeous, and she's just like

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Speaker 6: worse than you were as a child, and you were

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Speaker 6: a very strong willed child. I'm very grateful to have

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Speaker 6: had this opportunity learn that we do both appreciate each other.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't matter what you told me. I'd still honor

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Speaker 6: you and love you and look after you and care

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Speaker 6: for you and write more books for you.

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Speaker 1: And it was going to be born and you as

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Speaker 1: her mom.

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Speaker 3: Now you have the life of my life.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, I loved you the day you were born,

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Speaker 6: and I love you still and always will