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Speaker 1: So much.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 3: Mamma mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 3: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Taylor Strado.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Claire Murphy. On the show today, Megan Michael

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Speaker 2: has found herself in the crosshairs again while trying to

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Speaker 2: promote a new safety initiative, and I need to explain

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Speaker 2: to you a new theory I have about Hollywood stars

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Speaker 2: because of a recent incident with Zac Efron. I'll explain more.

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Speaker 2: Trust me, it makes all right.

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Speaker 3: I'm strapping in for that one. But first, Claire, you

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Speaker 3: and I are from Team Quiki, so it's very nice

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Speaker 3: the Spill girls have let us come and hijack their

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Speaker 3: podcast today. Something we do a lot on the Quiki

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Speaker 3: is talk about the Olympics that's happening at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Something that we don't do often on the quikief talk

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Speaker 3: about Snoop Dogg's involvement in the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: You across one hundred percent, he's the unofficial mascot for

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Speaker 2: the US team. Just Olympics in general. Let's be honest,

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Speaker 2: because he's really hyping up these games, and it's been

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Speaker 2: lovely to see all the things he's been out and

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Speaker 2: about doing. I've seen him do a throwdown I think

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Speaker 2: in maybe judo, in several other Olympic sports that he's

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Speaker 2: had a little shot at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's not his first time round. Prior to

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Speaker 3: the Games this year, Snoop Dogg had been involved in

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Speaker 3: the Olympics, sort of on the fringes. He hard a

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Speaker 3: crack at commentating some equestrian horse crip walking. Can you

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Speaker 1: Look at this girl?

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, this horse is off the chane.

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Speaker 1: I gotta get just the video.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: But this year we've seen him pop up all across

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Speaker 3: the schedule. Like you mentioned there, he tried his hand

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Speaker 3: at judo, amongst some other sports. He's also been commentating

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Speaker 3: for the NBC like there is a reason he's actually Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He also got his own pins made up so he

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Speaker 3: In the village. Somehow, he also managed to get himself

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Speaker 3: in the Olympic torch run in the relay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's there for another reason too, because his

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Speaker 3: He is there for another reason. His bestie aka Martha Stewart.

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Speaker 3: If you don't know, where have you been? They have

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Speaker 3: celebrated her eighty third birthday. She looks amazing. She's doing

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Speaker 3: amazing things at the moment. And I want to read

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Speaker 3: you a line from the Vanity Fair article that followed

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Speaker 3: Martha Stewart across her birthday weekend celebrations. This is what

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Speaker 3: it says. On Saturday, her actual birthday, Stewart was still

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Speaker 3: hard at work with Snoop again at her side. She

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Speaker 3: duo provided commentary for that day's Olympic dressage event. And

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Speaker 3: she says, and I quote, Snoop called me and he

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Speaker 3: knows I love horses. We're going to have so much fun.

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Speaker 3: These guys are so freaking cute.

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Speaker 2: And Snoop was in full like dressage outfit. Toode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he dodges. He doesn't do things by halves.

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Speaker 2: Snoop dogg hundred percent. And he also is terrified of horses.

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Speaker 2: You're aware of this. He's legitimately terrified horses. But he

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Speaker 3: I'm super happy to see more Snoop Dogg across the

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Speaker 3: Olympics as well. If you've been keeping up, please keep

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Speaker 3: tagging the Spill and the Quickie on Instagram. We want

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Speaker 3: to see what he's been doing. And if you want

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Speaker 3: to know more about the Olympics, of course we've been

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Speaker 2: All right, So if you haven't seen it yet, Megan

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Speaker 3: Dun dun, dum. You know, every time.

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Speaker 2: They do an interview, some shit's gonna go down, right,

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Speaker 2: bringing these people together through the Archwell Foundation to discuss,

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Speaker 2: know it, within twenty four hours, they could be taking

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Speaker 1: Too young, they're three and five. But all you want

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Speaker 2: The interviewer also she shifted the conversation to Megan's mental

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Speaker 1: Look, I was really ashamed to say it at the

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Speaker 2: Now. Megan was a little bit taken aback by this

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Speaker 1: When you've been through any level of pain or trauma,

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Speaker 2: Here is the problem. This is a great initiative. We

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Speaker 2: We know that it destigmatizes it, we know that it

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Speaker 3: She does. It's a catch twenty two, isn't it? Because

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Speaker 3: They just want to bully her. Essentially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is the thing, because there is an

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Speaker 2: protect them from online bullies when they're bullies themselves. One

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Speaker 2: my gosh, this is in less than twenty four hours

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Speaker 2: But what has to happen for the empathy for this

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Speaker 3: Well, I just feel like there's not much can happen.

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Speaker 3: It's a rock and a hard place, right. The whole

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Speaker 3: because of this exact reason, the way that Megan was treated,

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Speaker 3: to put our own peace first and the sake of

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Speaker 3: out the other end of it going right, Well, we've

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Speaker 3: and the conversation is inescapable when you are promoting an

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Speaker 2: I don't think there is anything they can do. I

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Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting, Claire, because we're talking about Harry

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Speaker 3: So the other new story that is across my feet

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Speaker 2: And we've seen that happen to so many. We've seen

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Speaker 2: And there are other people who have mental health issues

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Speaker 2: But there's also others in there, like Jojo Siwah Okay, right,

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Speaker 3: Well that is the Hollywood at risk.

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Speaker 2: I'll be hanging about the place, yes, because Laura Brodnick

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