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Speaker 1: You're listening to a mom with mere podcast.

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Speaker 2: Makeup is my therapy.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited to talk about the bush because

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Speaker 1: I'm a very hairy girl.

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Speaker 2: Are you?

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Speaker 1: I know? Quite like yes, people just don't assume it.

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Speaker 1: But it is like law around here that I'm just here.

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Speaker 2: She comes the hairy beast, the harriest beast.

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Speaker 1: I have to pluck every day.

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Speaker 2: The bush is officially back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kelly McCarron, and welcome to the formula. Today we

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Speaker 1: are talking about after decades of oppressing our pubic hair

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Speaker 1: from growing into the wild, glorious beast that it can,

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Speaker 1: it is officially back. And who better to talk about

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Speaker 1: such a topic with me than someone who loves to

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Speaker 1: talk about things that other people might say a little

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Speaker 1: bit personal, I say, just fun conversation than Abby Chatfield. Welcome, Abby,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, welcome, Welcome Abby. First things first, you were

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Speaker 1: rolling in hot from the arias, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Or like Luke Waller, were kind of cool loll Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Everyone thinks that I'm some like party anymore, but I

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Speaker 2: was at home at nine o'clock class nights.

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Speaker 1: I actually said that to our producer because to be honest,

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Speaker 1: they were like, maybe she won't, like she'll cancel or

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Speaker 1: reschedule a bit because.

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Speaker 2: When I come but she but.

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Speaker 1: I said, I was like, I don't know. I feel

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Speaker 1: like sometimes it's the loudest ones or the ones that

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Speaker 1: present that are actually the ones that go home and

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Speaker 1: go to bed because I'm very tired.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been out past midnight in maybe like two

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Speaker 2: or three years. Like, I don't. I don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Night and I really still regretting it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually no, I did in Berlin. I shouldn't lie

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Speaker 2: I have my first all nighter ever in Berlin to

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Speaker 2: get into one of those crazy No. We just were

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Speaker 2: hang out with Adam and his producer. It wasn't was

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Speaker 2: It was really fun. That's why I think I liked

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Speaker 2: it because it was us having drinks and just like

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Speaker 2: we're aut of this like bar slash five clubs it

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Speaker 2: but that's also like bar tables on the water, so

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Speaker 2: it was kind of like it was you could be

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Speaker 2: in and out. It's the overstimulation. So yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't go out. Everyone thinks that I'm no. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I like I don't drink when I work, I

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Speaker 2: don't really drink really ever, Like I have very strict

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Speaker 2: rules about myself because I don't want.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're a professional.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would never bail on you. No, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't never. Oh my god, if I had to

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Speaker 2: cancel them because I was hngover, I actually think that

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Speaker 2: I would have a nervous breakdown. I would feel so guilty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you and I I'm the exact same, but

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Speaker 1: you and I are quite rare breeds in this industry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it's because when I first started, my

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Speaker 2: makeup artist said to me, she said, if you do

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Speaker 2: get a career in this industry, I don't want you

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Speaker 2: to ever drink when you're feeling nervous or before you perform,

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Speaker 2: because that's how I've seen two people get ruined by

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Speaker 2: doing that. So I was twenty three and I wasn't

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Speaker 2: really drinking anyway, but very easily you could go down

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Speaker 2: that road. But I had like this Angelan Dowsley, who

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Speaker 2: always was like, don't do it like a second mom. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and she's right because she's like, it's not going to

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Speaker 2: make it perform better, and then if you screw up,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna blame you. Being tipsy or an excuse is

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Speaker 2: actually worse because it is you still, you still chose

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Speaker 2: to do it. Yeah, and people need that whatever, but

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Speaker 2: I have made a very conscious effort to not need

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Speaker 2: that ever. I think I had on my last New

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Speaker 2: Zealand show. I had two glasses of wine and I

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Speaker 2: was like, guys, I'm off my head.

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Speaker 1: Like I was like, because throughout the show I was

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Speaker 1: really see adrenaline and it makes you feel drunk anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was. I had like the start of

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Speaker 2: an hour in I was like, I'm so sorry, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm feeling crazy, but I am.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Arias so sorry, cold as carolling in Cold Cold

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Speaker 1: Yeah from the Arias. But your makeup, like this is

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Speaker 1: a beauty podcast, can we talk about it?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: Makeup artist Yan had he done your makeup before?

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Speaker 2: He's never, but he does. One of my best friends,

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Speaker 2: Mitch cre all the time. Yes, yea, so Mitch Doc Grayer.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately I'm stealing her makeup artist insane. We're the best time.

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Speaker 2: And then my hair was by Liz two and that

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Speaker 2: give yan a brief. I was just like, here's what

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Speaker 2: I didn't look at the mirror or in the camera

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Speaker 2: until we were done, and I was like, perfect, no.

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Speaker 1: Changes, because I'm not sure have you done something like

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Speaker 2: Helen Dowley's done a lot on me, my angel, He's

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Speaker 2: done it for my first LOGI she did and I

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Speaker 2: was really really scared because I was I was like

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Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I was blonde, but like never again,

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Speaker 2: Yeah you're a brunette. I know. I was, thank you,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've done it a few times. I've been

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Speaker 2: doing it myself a lot, but yeah, I haven't gone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And sometimes it's with people doing your makeup. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you would have done a much better job. I got

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Speaker 1: married in your bo't makeup.

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Speaker 2: Really because you have to fix it or because.

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Speaker 1: Because not one of those TikTok drama girls that wash

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I think it'd be okay though,

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Speaker 2: Like if you just told the makeup artist and you

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Speaker 1: Don't love it. No, it was just I didn't trust

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I be mind for it's not

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Speaker 2: the same thing. But for my live shows, I don't

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Speaker 1: No, that's the You need to be by yourself before

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Speaker 1: Ye so yeah, okay, Well moving on from makeup, then the.

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Speaker 2: Bush straight down to the bush, straight down to the pulse.

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Speaker 2: It's back. It's the Bush's back with the bush. The

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Speaker 2: bush should have never left. But the bush is.

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Speaker 1: Back as someone who's never had laser, who hates waxing,

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Speaker 1: who doesn't like Oh I know, I'm a red breed. Wow,

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Speaker 2: It's like finding one of those fossils age, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, But not not that, not in an

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Speaker 2: old way, because the rarity. You go, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: the swamp man body, they found you, and I go,

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Speaker 2: no laser, no waxing, Like.

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Speaker 1: I trim, but I trim and then I will shave

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Speaker 1: the sides if I please, but I'm not fast. It

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Speaker 1: it's spiky. It's awful. It's awful. You have made the

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Speaker 1: right decision, think you. Waxing is awful because it is torturous. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lasa. I just was never interested too much.

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Speaker 2: I can't commit to.

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Speaker 1: Go into the doctor, let alone in a laser appointment

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Speaker 1: every week. Yeah I could easily in a week because

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Speaker 1: Really, that's I'd love that so much.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think it was ever out. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I've never really been Maybe when I was

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Speaker 2: so ridiculous for women. It's what a waste of time

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Speaker 2: kind of like, God, why would I spend hours of

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Speaker 2: pain and like you're saying, the appointments, going to the doctor,

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Speaker 2: looks better. Yeah, some yeah, and it's even got some

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Speaker 1: To me. I'm just like you can think, whatever money

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Speaker 1: I want, I don't give it. If you know this puss,

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Speaker 1: oh you deal with it in all of its glorious.

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Speaker 2: top of it. You love it. It's gorgeous. It's the

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Speaker 2: little pitch that you could pass. It's gorgeous cushion pushing

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Speaker 2: and that's the true Christian. Yeah, but I from laser

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Speaker 2: If you're going detail a bush details, please share. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad really curly hair. It's really curly and cause

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Speaker 2: I like have this weird thing on my legs where

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Speaker 2: my hair comes up like this in a in a pattern.

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Speaker 2: Do you have that or are you just full eating? No?

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Speaker 1: No, So my hair grows dark till my knees and

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Speaker 1: then it's just baby blonde fine hairs, and then.

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Speaker 2: Like on my arm, then we've got like hair hair like.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't get that, but on the back of

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Speaker 2: And how long you've been there?

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Speaker 1: Long? Because sometime surely walking behind me going yeah on

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Speaker 1: that girl's leg, yes, yeah, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Trevor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he comes, he comes and visits sometimes little trim.

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Speaker 2: So I thankfully am still able to grow a bush back.

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Speaker 1: Did you like? Was that part of your campaign with.

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Speaker 2: I was already trying to do it, so it kind

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Speaker 2: of coincided perfectly. I already kind of wasn't doing laser

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Speaker 2: or shaving. I mainly I mainly stopped doing laser because

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Speaker 2: a friend of mine because I live at the beach

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Speaker 2: and a friend of mine went and got her legs

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Speaker 2: lasered one time, and you know, you're not meant to

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Speaker 2: be in the sun for two weeks before and after

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Speaker 2: if that's impossible when you live at the beach in summer.

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Speaker 2: So her whole legs were blistered and bubbled and it

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Speaker 2: was her fault, like it wasn't anything. Yeah, the people

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Speaker 2: did wrong because she and she's like, nah, my bad,

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have done that, but.

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Speaker 1: She tries to assume them they were like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can see on your Instagram you were in the sun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all day every day the lab at Bond Eye.

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Speaker 2: But the point is I was shit scared by that,

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Speaker 2: So Billy did that years before I even I didn't

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and that it's not this one ideal. Yes, that

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Speaker 2: for the podcast. But I don't want to get a

433
00:20:00,674 --> 00:20:03,394
Speaker 2: noseb because I'm so scared not looking like myself because

434
00:20:03,394 --> 00:20:06,674
Speaker 2: I see so many people who don't like themselves and

435
00:20:06,714 --> 00:20:09,514
Speaker 2: that's But I do think that it's worth thinking about

436
00:20:09,554 --> 00:20:11,194
Speaker 2: if you're getting that work done. I don't think it's

437
00:20:11,234 --> 00:20:13,434
Speaker 2: that you're a bad person at all, like I've had

438
00:20:13,434 --> 00:20:15,634
Speaker 2: it done. I just think we need.

439
00:20:15,514 --> 00:20:17,594
Speaker 1: To think about things, but then at the same time

440
00:20:17,674 --> 00:20:21,794
Speaker 1: not overthink some things to the extent where we're questioning

441
00:20:21,834 --> 00:20:24,074
Speaker 1: every single should I put Maskayra on today?

442
00:20:24,154 --> 00:20:27,274
Speaker 2: Yes? What does it say about why I want? Yeah?

443
00:20:27,314 --> 00:20:30,954
Speaker 1: Sometimes we argue against ourselves with those because it was

444
00:20:30,994 --> 00:20:34,073
Speaker 1: actually this morning I was saying to my sister about

445
00:20:34,794 --> 00:20:36,874
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'm interviewing Abby today, and she goes

446
00:20:37,034 --> 00:20:39,194
Speaker 1: about the bush. She goes, oh, you'll have a lot

447
00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:41,354
Speaker 1: to say about that. She always makes jokes about her hair.

448
00:20:41,394 --> 00:20:44,354
Speaker 1: Am She's fully lazed, And I said, yeah, well, when Evy,

449
00:20:44,514 --> 00:20:47,593
Speaker 1: her daughter who's five, starts growing hair, when she's eleven,

450
00:20:47,634 --> 00:20:49,754
Speaker 1: she'll have to come and have a look at me

451
00:20:49,834 --> 00:20:51,914
Speaker 1: in the shower to know that hair's are okay, what

452
00:20:51,914 --> 00:20:54,354
Speaker 1: are you going to say? And then my sister's like, well,

453
00:20:54,354 --> 00:20:56,874
Speaker 1: what are you going to say when your son asks

454
00:20:56,914 --> 00:20:58,634
Speaker 1: why you've got such different noses?

455
00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:01,234
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, but it is interesting because

456
00:21:01,354 --> 00:21:04,314
Speaker 2: I know I want to be a good feminist. I

457
00:21:04,314 --> 00:21:07,794
Speaker 2: don't want to contribute to you know, patriarchal, be your standards.

458
00:21:08,274 --> 00:21:12,234
Speaker 2: But it's very oh, it's very easy and accessible to

459
00:21:12,234 --> 00:21:14,593
Speaker 2: get all these things. So I don't know. The bush's

460
00:21:14,594 --> 00:21:17,354
Speaker 2: a nice little, nice little nod. Yeah, nice sort of

461
00:21:17,394 --> 00:21:19,033
Speaker 2: maybe even like a toes dipping.

462
00:21:19,434 --> 00:21:22,754
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really kisses people off, which is funny.

463
00:21:22,834 --> 00:21:23,674
Speaker 2: They lose them.

464
00:21:23,674 --> 00:21:28,674
Speaker 1: Why do you care if someone has else has hair?

465
00:21:29,514 --> 00:21:31,273
Speaker 2: Why do you care if I have a bush? Why do

466
00:21:31,314 --> 00:21:33,313
Speaker 2: you care? If the absence of an action is so

467
00:21:33,434 --> 00:21:35,954
Speaker 2: offensive to them? It's like, what are you and you're

468
00:21:36,074 --> 00:21:39,234
Speaker 2: trolling someone or you're getting like shocked and horrified that

469
00:21:39,354 --> 00:21:42,794
Speaker 2: someone has pubes as was naturally intended.

470
00:21:42,954 --> 00:21:45,314
Speaker 1: I don't know that they do. They just might do

471
00:21:45,354 --> 00:21:47,314
Speaker 1: something about it, which is their choice. But that's a

472
00:21:47,434 --> 00:21:49,474
Speaker 1: very strange thing to have opinions about, isn't it.

473
00:21:49,554 --> 00:21:51,194
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's just a whole lot of self

474
00:21:51,234 --> 00:21:53,394
Speaker 2: hatred really, yeah, projection.

475
00:21:53,594 --> 00:21:59,554
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does come back to those feelings of cleanliness, which.

476
00:22:00,314 --> 00:22:01,794
Speaker 2: Yeah, we sort of will.

477
00:22:02,274 --> 00:22:05,194
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where it started. Was

478
00:22:05,194 --> 00:22:06,834
Speaker 1: it the porn industry, was it?

479
00:22:07,234 --> 00:22:09,794
Speaker 2: I think it's maybe this's just the association of female

480
00:22:09,834 --> 00:22:13,274
Speaker 2: genitals being quote unquote dirty man because of periods. Maybe

481
00:22:13,394 --> 00:22:17,914
Speaker 2: maybe it's uh, you know, people do think of vaginas

482
00:22:17,954 --> 00:22:21,034
Speaker 2: as dirty inherently, which they are not. The actually only

483
00:22:21,034 --> 00:22:24,794
Speaker 2: self cleaning organism, organism organ Okay, okay, they're actually very clean.

484
00:22:25,354 --> 00:22:29,474
Speaker 2: This whole idea that women are dirty, therefore vaginas are dirty,

485
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,594
Speaker 2: therefore the natural state is dirty. Maybe it's just like

486
00:22:31,594 --> 00:22:34,354
Speaker 2: a flow and effect of thousands of years of patriarchy.

487
00:22:34,554 --> 00:22:37,634
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's strange though, Yeah, it is strange.

488
00:22:37,714 --> 00:22:42,514
Speaker 1: It's very constantly teach people such simple things like that.

489
00:22:42,634 --> 00:22:46,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very it feels very backwards because I even

490
00:22:46,074 --> 00:22:48,674
Speaker 2: see those ads on and they're funny, Like I see

491
00:22:48,674 --> 00:22:52,434
Speaker 2: these ads of like waxes in America, like dropping an

492
00:22:52,474 --> 00:22:56,354
Speaker 2: actual cookie on the floor in a pile of hair.

493
00:22:56,714 --> 00:22:59,914
Speaker 2: I'm like, go, would you eat this cookie. No if

494
00:22:59,994 --> 00:23:01,914
Speaker 2: not coming to me for the best bikini wax of

495
00:23:01,914 --> 00:23:04,434
Speaker 2: your life. Right, it's like a silly adeh, Like that's

496
00:23:04,474 --> 00:23:07,834
Speaker 2: funny and that's silly, and like it's not like horror offensive,

497
00:23:08,274 --> 00:23:10,354
Speaker 2: but I do. But it's think it's that's what the

498
00:23:10,354 --> 00:23:12,594
Speaker 2: same thing is it because it's actually not eating a

499
00:23:12,634 --> 00:23:14,954
Speaker 2: cookie and swallowing hair. It's actually hair attached to my

500
00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:15,954
Speaker 2: skin virofollicle.

501
00:23:16,074 --> 00:23:20,154
Speaker 1: But you're also not that. It's very different.

502
00:23:20,234 --> 00:23:26,034
Speaker 2: You're not eating the hair. No, you're not chewing it. Yeah, yeah,

503
00:23:26,154 --> 00:23:28,394
Speaker 2: no one would want to do that. Yeah, no one

504
00:23:28,394 --> 00:23:29,954
Speaker 2: would want to do that. And also men don't have

505
00:23:29,954 --> 00:23:31,954
Speaker 2: the same messaging of like dropping a hot dog in

506
00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:34,474
Speaker 2: a pile of hair, You would you want to suck this?

507
00:23:34,954 --> 00:23:40,914
Speaker 2: Like no, no, So just this idea that hair is dirty,

508
00:23:40,994 --> 00:23:45,234
Speaker 2: even though hair prevents infection from coming in back to

509
00:23:45,234 --> 00:23:46,274
Speaker 2: her from coming in.

510
00:23:46,474 --> 00:23:48,554
Speaker 1: The reason it's there is to protect us.

511
00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:51,874
Speaker 2: Ever a reason. Yeah, it's actually a useful thing. And

512
00:23:51,954 --> 00:23:56,434
Speaker 2: even with like vaginal washes, the washes and stuff I

513
00:23:56,514 --> 00:24:00,394
Speaker 2: go and people really like, you know, my friends from

514
00:24:00,394 --> 00:24:02,714
Speaker 2: my school used to talk about, like, guys, it's really

515
00:24:02,794 --> 00:24:05,474
Speaker 2: bad for you, and they would kind of shame me

516
00:24:05,634 --> 00:24:08,513
Speaker 2: for not using those things in a subtle way, not

517
00:24:08,594 --> 00:24:12,394
Speaker 2: going ha ha. You know, they go, oh, yeah, you

518
00:24:12,434 --> 00:24:15,994
Speaker 2: don't wash, why you should watch it? Should wash it

519
00:24:16,114 --> 00:24:17,553
Speaker 2: one of those soaps. Yeah, or it's like that's why

520
00:24:17,554 --> 00:24:19,434
Speaker 2: you're getting yout eyes. It's like, actually, I'm getting you

521
00:24:19,474 --> 00:24:22,954
Speaker 2: two eyes because I have perfect flow dysfunction queen. But well,

522
00:24:23,074 --> 00:24:25,634
Speaker 2: you know, looking back now, I go, that's why. But

523
00:24:26,194 --> 00:24:33,474
Speaker 2: that wasn't because I wasn't using a cleaning product to scrub. Yeah, yeah,

524
00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:37,594
Speaker 2: because cleaning it yeah yeah yeah. So it's very funny

525
00:24:37,634 --> 00:24:40,914
Speaker 2: the way that we inherently see female genitalia or anything

526
00:24:40,954 --> 00:24:42,994
Speaker 2: surrounding as inherently.

527
00:24:42,834 --> 00:24:44,754
Speaker 1: Dirty, whereas men have never had that.

528
00:24:45,114 --> 00:24:49,474
Speaker 2: No, no, no, just even though it's there's've all smelt

529
00:24:49,754 --> 00:24:52,194
Speaker 2: one or two that needed a bit of a sexy. Oh,

530
00:24:52,274 --> 00:24:54,874
Speaker 2: let's get in the shower for a see, let's do

531
00:24:54,914 --> 00:24:56,474
Speaker 2: a sexy wash of your ball.

532
00:24:56,514 --> 00:25:00,074
Speaker 1: When I was single, I never ever had a man

533
00:25:00,114 --> 00:25:02,194
Speaker 1: come over and did not get straight into the shower.

534
00:25:02,314 --> 00:25:04,394
Speaker 1: Just really it was just I'm a bit of a

535
00:25:04,434 --> 00:25:06,834
Speaker 1: germ person as well, but I was always like, it's

536
00:25:06,874 --> 00:25:08,394
Speaker 1: just a thing I ever want to have to deal with,

537
00:25:08,514 --> 00:25:09,794
Speaker 1: so let's just shower straight away.

538
00:25:09,994 --> 00:25:10,714
Speaker 2: Just let's just get it.

539
00:25:13,594 --> 00:25:17,874
Speaker 1: Let's just get straight in some people do. That's it's

540
00:25:17,914 --> 00:25:22,033
Speaker 1: not normal that he is into it so hot, but

541
00:25:22,074 --> 00:25:24,273
Speaker 1: he's into He's into everything me.

542
00:25:24,674 --> 00:25:26,834
Speaker 2: He asked me about undies for as long as I can,

543
00:25:26,834 --> 00:25:27,754
Speaker 2: and he takes it on tour.

544
00:25:27,914 --> 00:25:29,034
Speaker 1: It lasts longer for him.

545
00:25:29,074 --> 00:25:29,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves it.

546
00:25:29,914 --> 00:25:31,474
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was just a day, it would have

547
00:25:31,554 --> 00:25:43,154
Speaker 1: last loved so loved. What about the skims that you know.

548
00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:47,834
Speaker 2: They did that? I didn't. I Everyone's like, you love this?

549
00:25:47,914 --> 00:25:49,754
Speaker 2: I was like, why would I love someone who has

550
00:25:49,794 --> 00:25:53,794
Speaker 2: lais their entire body, profiting off other women who have

551
00:25:53,874 --> 00:25:57,194
Speaker 2: laid their entire body and succumb to beauty pressures. Why

552
00:25:57,194 --> 00:26:03,833
Speaker 2: would I love then profiting even more by making the

553
00:26:03,874 --> 00:26:05,513
Speaker 2: bush a fashion? I get that.

554
00:26:05,594 --> 00:26:08,394
Speaker 1: It's also did you see that they've got they their

555
00:26:08,474 --> 00:26:10,954
Speaker 1: recent reports came out about the working climate and it

556
00:26:11,154 --> 00:26:13,674
Speaker 1: scored lower. This is just a bit of a PSA

557
00:26:13,754 --> 00:26:16,314
Speaker 1: for when it's called lower than sheen and TIMU.

558
00:26:17,314 --> 00:26:19,074
Speaker 2: Really how about that? Really?

559
00:26:19,234 --> 00:26:21,874
Speaker 1: That's awful selling fake bushes?

560
00:26:22,234 --> 00:26:27,314
Speaker 2: WHOA see that's oh that's fucked. See I I if

561
00:26:27,394 --> 00:26:31,194
Speaker 2: someone received that message as all the bushes back in

562
00:26:31,354 --> 00:26:33,834
Speaker 2: that I like that message. You know if there's someone

563
00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:37,154
Speaker 2: that was said overall, I think it's a bit fucking ridiculous.

564
00:26:37,154 --> 00:26:39,354
Speaker 2: And I think I saw an interview with Kim Kardashian

565
00:26:39,434 --> 00:26:41,634
Speaker 2: even saying that she they just thought it was funny.

566
00:26:41,674 --> 00:26:44,194
Speaker 2: It's like, but why is it funny? People? It was

567
00:26:45,234 --> 00:26:47,114
Speaker 2: something why is that funny?

568
00:26:46,514 --> 00:26:51,754
Speaker 1: White people spending eighty dollars on something that they're actually

569
00:26:51,794 --> 00:26:54,034
Speaker 1: not gonna wear. What are you gonna wear your undies over?

570
00:26:54,714 --> 00:26:58,594
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's making fun of pubic care again and then

571
00:26:58,674 --> 00:27:01,714
Speaker 2: trying to make it some avant garde, crazy wild thing.

572
00:27:01,714 --> 00:27:04,594
Speaker 2: It's it's othering. That's why I didn't like it. It felt

573
00:27:04,594 --> 00:27:07,434
Speaker 2: like it was pointing out us. Imagine but guys, imagine

574
00:27:07,474 --> 00:27:09,834
Speaker 2: how crazy. I'll be fine at Bush. It's like you,

575
00:27:09,954 --> 00:27:13,034
Speaker 2: naturally we do have bushes, and it's fine. It's fine

576
00:27:13,034 --> 00:27:15,394
Speaker 2: that you don't. But it's the additional messaging of this

577
00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:18,154
Speaker 2: is funny, this is ridiculous, and also I'm going to

578
00:27:18,234 --> 00:27:22,234
Speaker 2: make money off it after you know, I've been a

579
00:27:23,434 --> 00:27:25,874
Speaker 2: someone who's been pushing these beauty standard about having no hair,

580
00:27:25,914 --> 00:27:29,274
Speaker 2: which is also fine whatever, but it's.

581
00:27:29,154 --> 00:27:31,114
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bit weird because I think that

582
00:27:31,474 --> 00:27:33,754
Speaker 1: some people are trying to position it as liberating. It's

583
00:27:33,754 --> 00:27:34,714
Speaker 1: absolutely not though.

584
00:27:34,714 --> 00:27:36,313
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's not at all. It's not at all.

585
00:27:36,354 --> 00:27:40,994
Speaker 1: It's describing and into it into this weird ideal that

586
00:27:41,074 --> 00:27:43,354
Speaker 1: she's been like, no, but we don't have bushes, but

587
00:27:43,394 --> 00:27:45,914
Speaker 1: we can wear these funny little yeah things.

588
00:27:46,034 --> 00:27:46,874
Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't like it.

589
00:27:47,034 --> 00:27:51,793
Speaker 1: Okay, So you recently took a social media break after

590
00:27:52,474 --> 00:27:57,313
Speaker 1: lots of trolling, lots of very traumatizing trolling, including I

591
00:27:57,354 --> 00:28:02,034
Speaker 1: don't think people ever truly think about what they're writing

592
00:28:02,234 --> 00:28:06,834
Speaker 1: to people online, that it's an actual person, and how

593
00:28:08,554 --> 00:28:11,914
Speaker 1: I just always think when I see things, you would

594
00:28:11,994 --> 00:28:13,874
Speaker 1: not say that to my face, or you would not

595
00:28:13,914 --> 00:28:16,114
Speaker 1: say that to that person's face. You not walk up

596
00:28:16,154 --> 00:28:18,594
Speaker 1: to the ministry. I mean some psychopaths actually would. Oh

597
00:28:18,674 --> 00:28:20,434
Speaker 1: my god, I got shoulder charged this morning.

598
00:28:20,514 --> 00:28:21,834
Speaker 2: What what?

599
00:28:22,114 --> 00:28:24,714
Speaker 1: I actually burst out laughing though, because I was so surprising,

600
00:28:24,794 --> 00:28:28,634
Speaker 1: and I was walking along and I was holding my coffee.

601
00:28:29,794 --> 00:28:33,954
Speaker 1: I was literally just like yeah, and then this chick

602
00:28:34,794 --> 00:28:39,554
Speaker 1: proper not just accidentally bumped into me, shoulder charged me

603
00:28:40,634 --> 00:28:42,714
Speaker 1: and so bad that my coffee went and I just

604
00:28:42,914 --> 00:28:44,994
Speaker 1: spun around. Everyone's going, oh my god, are you're okay?

605
00:28:45,194 --> 00:28:47,434
Speaker 1: But my reaction was just to burst out laughing.

606
00:28:47,914 --> 00:28:53,234
Speaker 2: It's like, wild, what did that actually just happen? Nary,

607
00:28:53,474 --> 00:28:54,234
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

608
00:28:54,634 --> 00:28:59,474
Speaker 1: Most people, though, don't ever attack people in real life.

609
00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:05,754
Speaker 1: So it's I just think that the parasocial relationship that

610
00:29:05,834 --> 00:29:09,434
Speaker 1: some people think that it's okay tout different things.

611
00:29:09,834 --> 00:29:13,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. It's it's really really weird, and really

612
00:29:13,914 --> 00:29:18,074
Speaker 2: what a strange way to expend your time.

613
00:29:18,434 --> 00:29:22,034
Speaker 1: Well, we had Indy Clinton in here a couple of

614
00:29:22,034 --> 00:29:24,434
Speaker 1: months ago, and it was after she went through that

615
00:29:24,594 --> 00:29:28,394
Speaker 1: whole like p I and she and I were having

616
00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:30,394
Speaker 1: a bit of a laugh because I was like, imagine

617
00:29:30,434 --> 00:29:32,274
Speaker 1: if you found out your friend was a troll.

618
00:29:32,714 --> 00:29:35,034
Speaker 2: That's what I say, Like you would you had.

619
00:29:36,434 --> 00:29:39,154
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be friends one of my friends.

620
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:40,794
Speaker 2: If I foun out my friends was a troll, I

621
00:29:40,834 --> 00:29:43,354
Speaker 2: would genuinely like if if it was my best friend,

622
00:29:43,474 --> 00:29:46,034
Speaker 2: you know, I would genuinely call their parents. I would

623
00:29:46,074 --> 00:29:48,794
Speaker 2: be like, something seriously wrong with this person, Like they

624
00:29:48,794 --> 00:29:51,554
Speaker 2: need some serious serious But they.

625
00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:52,794
Speaker 1: Would be so embarrassed. People would be.

626
00:29:52,754 --> 00:29:54,634
Speaker 2: So embarrassed around them.

627
00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:56,594
Speaker 1: Knew what they were doing.

628
00:29:57,034 --> 00:29:59,074
Speaker 2: They're losers. If you were like.

629
00:29:59,234 --> 00:30:00,354
Speaker 1: So what are you doing your spare time?

630
00:30:00,874 --> 00:30:04,194
Speaker 2: I write mean things about I said on this forum

631
00:30:04,274 --> 00:30:07,154
Speaker 2: called Tattle, and I don't have any friends in in

632
00:30:07,154 --> 00:30:10,314
Speaker 2: real life, but I sit there and I troll through

633
00:30:11,034 --> 00:30:16,074
Speaker 2: all different influences in Australia and I find reasons why

634
00:30:16,074 --> 00:30:16,954
Speaker 2: they're evil.

635
00:30:16,834 --> 00:30:19,794
Speaker 1: Or I comment that girl has backfat that looks like

636
00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:22,754
Speaker 1: fish skills on. That was a good one I got

637
00:30:22,754 --> 00:30:23,154
Speaker 1: one time.

638
00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:26,794
Speaker 2: That's oh fish creative. I thought, that's see. Sometimes you

639
00:30:26,874 --> 00:30:27,874
Speaker 2: kind of go, that's quite.

640
00:30:27,754 --> 00:30:31,914
Speaker 1: Good sometimes chuckle poetic because at least it was creative.

641
00:30:32,074 --> 00:30:36,234
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really they're really obsessed. I mean, it's funny,

642
00:30:36,234 --> 00:30:38,314
Speaker 2: like the start of the conversation was saying that I'm

643
00:30:38,514 --> 00:30:40,794
Speaker 2: a junkie and then I'm an addict, and it's like,

644
00:30:41,434 --> 00:30:43,914
Speaker 2: because I have personality. It's really cute because obviously they're

645
00:30:43,914 --> 00:30:46,194
Speaker 2: so boring that they don't it's a projection. They're like,

646
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:48,074
Speaker 2: and oh yeah, so you're at the front of the

647
00:30:48,074 --> 00:30:51,874
Speaker 2: heroin clinic. I go, what also heroin clinics? If I

648
00:30:51,914 --> 00:30:54,154
Speaker 2: was a heroin much more mellow. Okay, let's get off

649
00:30:54,954 --> 00:30:58,754
Speaker 2: right those videos talk of the zombies. Yeah, you know,

650
00:30:58,874 --> 00:31:02,274
Speaker 2: if I was on ventanyl, i'd be I wouldn't be

651
00:31:02,274 --> 00:31:05,354
Speaker 2: posting every day. How did I do the podcast, they

652
00:31:05,394 --> 00:31:08,434
Speaker 2: eating their drugs, so it's like it's very yeah, it's

653
00:31:08,554 --> 00:31:11,114
Speaker 2: it's it's very funny the way that these people it's

654
00:31:11,114 --> 00:31:12,874
Speaker 2: just a projection of themselves. But it is scary when

655
00:31:12,874 --> 00:31:15,634
Speaker 2: it's like threats with your address and also when it's

656
00:31:15,714 --> 00:31:18,954
Speaker 2: concerned it's like anything that is posted of me, these

657
00:31:18,994 --> 00:31:21,354
Speaker 2: people just like flock to it and then lie about

658
00:31:21,394 --> 00:31:24,274
Speaker 2: me in the comments, and it's just like, well, you

659
00:31:24,274 --> 00:31:27,354
Speaker 2: guys are like your only hobby is hating me, and

660
00:31:27,394 --> 00:31:32,474
Speaker 2: that's really weird to it about like I've seen I've

661
00:31:32,474 --> 00:31:35,834
Speaker 2: seen like ten a week's so weird. Abby Chefood is

662
00:31:35,874 --> 00:31:40,194
Speaker 2: a grub, Aby Chaffood has eights, Aby chaffeld junkie Abby Chatfield. Yeah,

663
00:31:40,274 --> 00:31:42,874
Speaker 2: like like this, like this is not uncommon. People people

664
00:31:42,874 --> 00:31:44,594
Speaker 2: said to me, like, don't worry about it. I go,

665
00:31:44,714 --> 00:31:45,114
Speaker 2: you have.

666
00:31:45,114 --> 00:31:48,034
Speaker 1: No No, you have no idea unless you've been in

667
00:31:48,034 --> 00:31:49,994
Speaker 1: that position, and even then you can't say don't worry

668
00:31:49,994 --> 00:31:53,714
Speaker 1: about it. But with so, you know, working with Billy,

669
00:31:53,874 --> 00:31:57,994
Speaker 1: you body autonomy huge, yes, part of that, but how

670
00:31:58,034 --> 00:32:01,874
Speaker 1: do you protect the mental side of yourself? Like when

671
00:32:01,914 --> 00:32:05,354
Speaker 1: it comes to this with so much toxicity online, is

672
00:32:05,394 --> 00:32:06,354
Speaker 1: it taking breaks?

673
00:32:06,634 --> 00:32:09,274
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess taking breaks It was also reminding myself that,

674
00:32:09,554 --> 00:32:12,754
Speaker 2: like you were just saying, and Adam always you know,

675
00:32:12,874 --> 00:32:15,914
Speaker 2: it says, he's like these people who we don't know

676
00:32:15,994 --> 00:32:18,834
Speaker 2: anyone that would do anything like this, and there's thousands

677
00:32:18,874 --> 00:32:19,714
Speaker 2: of these losers.

678
00:32:20,034 --> 00:32:22,674
Speaker 1: I want to even write a rude Google review even

679
00:32:22,794 --> 00:32:24,354
Speaker 1: after I've had a bad experience.

680
00:32:25,434 --> 00:32:28,034
Speaker 2: Never. Never, the only reviews that I write are five

681
00:32:28,074 --> 00:32:29,794
Speaker 2: stars because you're like, oh my god, that was a man, like.

682
00:32:29,714 --> 00:32:32,514
Speaker 1: You know, you want to give them the props, the yes,

683
00:32:32,834 --> 00:32:35,554
Speaker 1: not that I don't. I actually think that Google reviews

684
00:32:35,554 --> 00:32:38,194
Speaker 1: are if you have a bad experience, and that's a

685
00:32:38,194 --> 00:32:40,754
Speaker 1: fine way to express totally I think anger.

686
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:45,074
Speaker 2: But yeah, it just means it's.

687
00:32:44,834 --> 00:32:49,474
Speaker 1: The fact that you're going online purely to express anger.

688
00:32:49,714 --> 00:32:52,874
Speaker 2: Just block me as well, like people that had fuck

689
00:32:52,914 --> 00:32:56,554
Speaker 2: average outfield signs at this like the March for Australia

690
00:32:56,554 --> 00:32:58,754
Speaker 2: Ally it's like I'm not a politician, like you can

691
00:32:59,194 --> 00:33:01,074
Speaker 2: feel like why did you boys get arts and crafts

692
00:33:01,114 --> 00:33:03,754
Speaker 2: together to like like you can just block me, like

693
00:33:04,114 --> 00:33:06,274
Speaker 2: I'm not even on TV anymore.

694
00:33:06,034 --> 00:33:09,474
Speaker 1: Like having you as the podcast, like did you not

695
00:33:09,594 --> 00:33:13,074
Speaker 1: go to that rally for your own racist beliefs? Like

696
00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:16,034
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have preferred to have a sign about that then.

697
00:33:16,194 --> 00:33:18,394
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, but they don't have anything they're really

698
00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:18,914
Speaker 2: fighting for.

699
00:33:18,994 --> 00:33:20,074
Speaker 1: But they just wanted to go.

700
00:33:20,194 --> 00:33:21,594
Speaker 2: They just wanted to go to feel included.

701
00:33:21,634 --> 00:33:25,594
Speaker 1: My bad the little the flag around the next.

702
00:33:25,474 --> 00:33:28,114
Speaker 2: Oh they're so cute, aren't they. But I also Adam

703
00:33:28,114 --> 00:33:30,314
Speaker 2: says to me, he's like, when I get really upset

704
00:33:30,354 --> 00:33:33,274
Speaker 2: about it, he's like, name one person that matters that

705
00:33:33,314 --> 00:33:37,114
Speaker 2: thinks negatively of you. I can never think of anyone.

706
00:33:37,194 --> 00:33:40,394
Speaker 2: I can never think of anyone like anyone that I

707
00:33:40,514 --> 00:33:43,234
Speaker 2: actually care what they think, that thinks negatively of me.

708
00:33:43,474 --> 00:33:45,874
Speaker 1: And I also think that there's something to be said

709
00:33:45,874 --> 00:33:47,754
Speaker 1: about it was on a I think it was an

710
00:33:47,794 --> 00:33:51,394
Speaker 1: episode of The Imperfects where they talked about the courage

711
00:33:51,434 --> 00:33:54,954
Speaker 1: to be disliked. Yeah, because I often think that even

712
00:33:55,074 --> 00:33:59,074
Speaker 1: if someone I do respect dislikes me, if they're not

713
00:33:59,114 --> 00:34:01,514
Speaker 1: being rude, though, that's still okay, because I'm not going

714
00:34:01,554 --> 00:34:03,954
Speaker 1: to get along well with everyone. And like, there have

715
00:34:04,034 --> 00:34:05,674
Speaker 1: been lots of people I work with before that I

716
00:34:05,714 --> 00:34:08,194
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily get along well with and they probably wouldn't

717
00:34:08,194 --> 00:34:10,354
Speaker 1: have the nicest things to say about me. Yeah, but

718
00:34:10,393 --> 00:34:13,674
Speaker 1: they wouldn't go and write about it. Online.

719
00:34:14,074 --> 00:34:16,234
Speaker 2: No, that is a whole other even even think of

720
00:34:16,274 --> 00:34:18,953
Speaker 2: like the worst person that you know. I don't think

721
00:34:19,034 --> 00:34:21,154
Speaker 2: they would even like I think of the worst people

722
00:34:21,154 --> 00:34:22,794
Speaker 2: that I know.

723
00:34:23,234 --> 00:34:26,154
Speaker 1: Behind your back on my whatsap, Chuck person.

724
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:28,194
Speaker 2: Yes, like like be normal or like even like you're

725
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:30,834
Speaker 2: like weirdest X, like that's what I'm thinking of. I'm like,

726
00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:34,314
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even like like and you're a complete nutter,

727
00:34:34,554 --> 00:34:37,433
Speaker 2: Like imagine the level you have to be to be

728
00:34:37,594 --> 00:34:40,594
Speaker 2: spending your time and these people are like dedicated.

729
00:34:40,714 --> 00:34:42,714
Speaker 1: So it's pretty weird scary.

730
00:34:42,874 --> 00:34:45,993
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty weird in summary, but we knew they'd

731
00:34:45,994 --> 00:34:48,393
Speaker 2: be mad about the billy the billy post that was.

732
00:34:49,194 --> 00:34:51,554
Speaker 2: It's very funny watching how weak and fragile they are

733
00:34:51,674 --> 00:34:56,034
Speaker 2: like and also like that photo. It's even that it

734
00:34:56,114 --> 00:34:59,594
Speaker 2: was like a dream bush. It was an edited bush

735
00:34:59,634 --> 00:35:01,393
Speaker 2: to be like, this is what I want. Guys. It's

736
00:35:01,394 --> 00:35:04,913
Speaker 2: slowly coming back from the laser. It's quite prominent in

737
00:35:04,914 --> 00:35:06,914
Speaker 2: the middle, but on the side it's not quite spreading

738
00:35:07,554 --> 00:35:10,234
Speaker 2: where you wanted it though. Yeah, it is where I

739
00:35:10,274 --> 00:35:12,354
Speaker 2: wanted it, but I kind of wanted the really hot

740
00:35:12,354 --> 00:35:14,314
Speaker 2: photo with the bush. I was like, this is my

741
00:35:14,834 --> 00:35:15,194
Speaker 2: get there.

742
00:35:15,634 --> 00:35:17,154
Speaker 1: I think I was twenty six.

743
00:35:17,194 --> 00:35:19,234
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting a few out here now. So we've

744
00:35:19,754 --> 00:35:20,674
Speaker 2: got some spots.

745
00:35:20,394 --> 00:35:23,594
Speaker 1: Which I could like lend you some really, because I'm

746
00:35:24,194 --> 00:35:26,514
Speaker 1: just so easily transcriber has so many friends.

747
00:35:27,314 --> 00:35:34,114
Speaker 2: We love it all right.

748
00:35:34,474 --> 00:35:38,834
Speaker 1: You have curly hair, yes, guilty, Yes, funny story.

749
00:35:38,634 --> 00:35:39,794
Speaker 2: So do I really?

750
00:35:39,914 --> 00:35:42,234
Speaker 1: Yeah, But because it's so bleached, it's just fried.

751
00:35:42,314 --> 00:35:43,914
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like when I was blonde.

752
00:35:43,994 --> 00:35:48,034
Speaker 1: Yeah, Aussie summer is awful for frizz humidity. That's another reason.

753
00:35:48,074 --> 00:35:51,194
Speaker 1: If I just let my hair towel dry.

754
00:35:51,074 --> 00:35:53,393
Speaker 2: You would you would laugh. But I should do it.

755
00:35:53,434 --> 00:35:54,873
Speaker 2: I should come and do what I do in my

756
00:35:54,954 --> 00:35:56,994
Speaker 2: hair to your hair. We could see it wouldn't.

757
00:35:56,594 --> 00:35:59,674
Speaker 1: Work, though, I don't because it's so fried bleach. Tell

758
00:35:59,714 --> 00:36:02,074
Speaker 1: us what your top tips or products are when it

759
00:36:02,114 --> 00:36:05,714
Speaker 1: comes to having curly hair in summer, because a lot

760
00:36:05,754 --> 00:36:06,794
Speaker 1: of us don't know what we're doing.

761
00:36:06,834 --> 00:36:09,194
Speaker 2: Okay, I think the biggest tip I think you can

762
00:36:09,354 --> 00:36:12,114
Speaker 2: get products of all price ranges that are really really good.

763
00:36:12,594 --> 00:36:14,913
Speaker 2: I recently did a clad with a Bit Hippie, which

764
00:36:14,954 --> 00:36:17,554
Speaker 2: is an Australian brand, really really good. I've also won

765
00:36:17,594 --> 00:36:20,874
Speaker 2: with Garniere and I have been using Ghanna for ages

766
00:36:20,914 --> 00:36:24,634
Speaker 2: of hair food. Chris Appleton like the colour Wow, it's

767
00:36:24,754 --> 00:36:28,074
Speaker 2: your high end. I think the products as long as

768
00:36:28,074 --> 00:36:30,393
Speaker 2: you have a really good conditioner that you like, like

769
00:36:30,794 --> 00:36:33,834
Speaker 2: with a bit hippie. I made my own setting spray

770
00:36:34,314 --> 00:36:36,034
Speaker 2: with the conditioner. You just got like a glob of

771
00:36:36,074 --> 00:36:37,913
Speaker 2: conditioner and put it in like a in a like

772
00:36:37,954 --> 00:36:42,674
Speaker 2: a spray container and just do like, yeah, a decent amount.

773
00:36:43,434 --> 00:36:44,114
Speaker 1: Use it with water.

774
00:36:44,434 --> 00:36:47,234
Speaker 2: Yeah, with water, sorry, yeah. Use that conditioner in the

775
00:36:47,234 --> 00:36:48,873
Speaker 2: shower as like a co wash. So I don't really

776
00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:51,953
Speaker 2: shampoo my hair either. I shampooed like once every like

777
00:36:52,514 --> 00:36:56,034
Speaker 2: two weeks. Get dirty, no, because I co wash. So

778
00:36:56,074 --> 00:36:59,274
Speaker 2: I get conditioner in my roots and rub it in

779
00:36:59,394 --> 00:37:01,994
Speaker 2: so it's really hydrated, and then do all the mask

780
00:37:02,394 --> 00:37:03,754
Speaker 2: and then when you get out, then you use that

781
00:37:03,954 --> 00:37:06,354
Speaker 2: mask spray, so it's kind of like leaving a bit

782
00:37:06,394 --> 00:37:08,634
Speaker 2: in there, but it's not globby in there, so it

783
00:37:08,674 --> 00:37:11,514
Speaker 2: then gets light and fluffy. So I think the biggest

784
00:37:11,514 --> 00:37:14,154
Speaker 2: thing is, well, I think the biggest, biggest, biggest thing

785
00:37:14,194 --> 00:37:16,314
Speaker 2: is stop dyeing your hair. Because one s that's of

786
00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:18,194
Speaker 2: dying my hair, it was pretty easy to get it good.

787
00:37:18,594 --> 00:37:19,794
Speaker 2: But I think if you're not going to do that,

788
00:37:20,194 --> 00:37:25,274
Speaker 2: keeping it a hydrated and using kind of consistent simple products.

789
00:37:25,354 --> 00:37:28,034
Speaker 2: I think. I think it's very the curl this and

790
00:37:28,074 --> 00:37:29,954
Speaker 2: this and this and this necessarily come mist doesn't. I

791
00:37:29,954 --> 00:37:32,873
Speaker 2: think just use a basic product you can use as

792
00:37:32,914 --> 00:37:35,994
Speaker 2: long as that aunt silver cones or sulfates. In my experience,

793
00:37:37,514 --> 00:37:38,034
Speaker 2: it's good.

794
00:37:38,754 --> 00:37:40,274
Speaker 1: It's not going to weigh it down then.

795
00:37:40,314 --> 00:37:42,873
Speaker 2: No, it's not. And it's also going to keep your

796
00:37:42,914 --> 00:37:45,114
Speaker 2: curl pattern really nice. But I actually think summer is

797
00:37:45,114 --> 00:37:47,514
Speaker 2: my best time for my hair, some of my favorite

798
00:37:47,514 --> 00:37:50,114
Speaker 2: time for my hair. Winter sucks because it takes too

799
00:37:50,114 --> 00:37:50,714
Speaker 2: long to dry.

800
00:37:50,954 --> 00:37:54,393
Speaker 1: Yeah, summer because I haven't been hair dry.

801
00:37:54,634 --> 00:37:58,914
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's actually a dream for me in someone.

802
00:37:59,034 --> 00:38:01,834
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think using one product consistently throughout, just

803
00:38:01,874 --> 00:38:03,714
Speaker 2: like keeping it really simple and it's getting it hydrated

804
00:38:03,794 --> 00:38:05,993
Speaker 2: is the best way. And I've been plotting it before

805
00:38:06,074 --> 00:38:09,914
Speaker 2: bed as well, which I thought would ruin the curls.

806
00:38:09,914 --> 00:38:12,674
Speaker 1: But if you do it looser, it just sort of

807
00:38:12,754 --> 00:38:15,274
Speaker 1: like and it stops you mushing around if you are

808
00:38:15,274 --> 00:38:15,714
Speaker 1: a musher.

809
00:38:15,874 --> 00:38:18,914
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly, so I think protected when you sleep

810
00:38:18,954 --> 00:38:21,594
Speaker 2: and also use a lot of conditioning hydrating stuff to

811
00:38:21,634 --> 00:38:25,274
Speaker 2: get it nice. Yeah, it's really good, like having and

812
00:38:25,314 --> 00:38:27,354
Speaker 2: it's so much less stress, so much money. I was

813
00:38:27,394 --> 00:38:30,953
Speaker 2: paid dollars six weeks. I was like, sorry, thousand dollars.

814
00:38:30,994 --> 00:38:32,354
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm out now, I'm out.

815
00:38:32,434 --> 00:38:34,754
Speaker 1: Someone asked me if being a blonde was expensive. I

816
00:38:34,914 --> 00:38:37,074
Speaker 1: was like, yes, time as well.

817
00:38:37,434 --> 00:38:41,994
Speaker 2: Time spends six hours and one thousand dollars every six weeks.

818
00:38:42,034 --> 00:38:43,474
Speaker 2: Is if I had TV stuff, it had to be

819
00:38:43,554 --> 00:38:45,354
Speaker 2: it had to be fresh. I couldn't just let it

820
00:38:45,434 --> 00:38:47,954
Speaker 2: like go out. And then I was like, I actually

821
00:38:48,074 --> 00:38:49,834
Speaker 2: can't do this anymore. No, it's I was seeing so

822
00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:53,114
Speaker 2: much time, so much money. I don't my hair's brittle

823
00:38:53,314 --> 00:38:53,834
Speaker 2: to be share.

824
00:38:54,034 --> 00:38:56,154
Speaker 1: I do not spend that. I spent three hundred dollars

825
00:38:56,194 --> 00:38:58,314
Speaker 1: every two months and it takes her two hours. But

826
00:38:58,514 --> 00:39:00,393
Speaker 1: it's because I go to a ninja at her own

827
00:39:00,434 --> 00:39:02,873
Speaker 1: house and she like and she knows what you want

828
00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:03,754
Speaker 1: as well exactly.

829
00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:04,074
Speaker 2: Yeah.

830
00:39:04,114 --> 00:39:05,754
Speaker 1: I don't go to any of those fancy salons, which

831
00:39:05,754 --> 00:39:07,074
Speaker 1: are great, but they just take so long.

832
00:39:07,234 --> 00:39:08,473
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they do. I don't want to be there

833
00:39:08,474 --> 00:39:12,234
Speaker 2: for six hours. Yes, so don't have time. Skincare? What

834
00:39:12,314 --> 00:39:12,794
Speaker 2: do you love?

835
00:39:12,914 --> 00:39:14,034
Speaker 1: What do you think is overrated?

836
00:39:14,674 --> 00:39:21,354
Speaker 2: Ooh? I actually am obsessed with well doctor spiller have

837
00:39:21,434 --> 00:39:23,913
Speaker 2: you ever used that? Yea to Spiller love that have

838
00:39:23,954 --> 00:39:27,754
Speaker 2: an obsession, but I think and that's high end, but

839
00:39:27,754 --> 00:39:30,714
Speaker 2: then I think equally is good for a night cream?

840
00:39:30,914 --> 00:39:34,234
Speaker 2: Is the serah V like a bomb, the advanced bum,

841
00:39:34,394 --> 00:39:37,714
Speaker 2: the advanced balm, the advanced repair balm? So good? My lip?

842
00:39:37,754 --> 00:39:39,674
Speaker 2: I had a burn on my lip. I don't know

843
00:39:39,714 --> 00:39:40,954
Speaker 2: what from. I don't know if it was like I

844
00:39:40,994 --> 00:39:43,114
Speaker 2: got chili in a cracked lip or something. Then it

845
00:39:43,154 --> 00:39:46,274
Speaker 2: just expanded. It was for maybe two or three months.

846
00:39:46,274 --> 00:39:48,274
Speaker 2: It was it was almost like a cold sauce size

847
00:39:48,394 --> 00:39:50,433
Speaker 2: my lip, but it wasn't a cold saw. And I

848
00:39:50,514 --> 00:39:52,514
Speaker 2: use that one overnight and it fixed it. So the

849
00:39:52,554 --> 00:39:52,994
Speaker 2: Sarah V.

850
00:39:53,514 --> 00:39:55,473
Speaker 1: It like if I get crusty out of my nose

851
00:39:55,474 --> 00:39:58,393
Speaker 1: if after a cold, Yeah, no, it's it's magic. I

852
00:39:58,394 --> 00:40:00,714
Speaker 1: did put on my entire face before bed dry.

853
00:40:00,954 --> 00:40:03,993
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm pretty dry. Yeah, my entire face before bed,

854
00:40:04,154 --> 00:40:06,554
Speaker 2: even like my ears and my dec liotage. And I

855
00:40:06,594 --> 00:40:09,354
Speaker 2: think that'srobably like one of my holy Grail products. And

856
00:40:09,394 --> 00:40:13,834
Speaker 2: it's what under twenty dollars not affordable, it's so amazing,

857
00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:16,754
Speaker 2: But doctor Spiller for higher end, but Sarah like sarahly

858
00:40:17,154 --> 00:40:20,634
Speaker 2: basic stuff. I'm really reactive. My skin's really reactive. So

859
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:23,834
Speaker 2: any fragrances or anything that really ruins my skin.

860
00:40:24,154 --> 00:40:26,954
Speaker 1: So yeah, And do you have like a pretty simple routine.

861
00:40:27,074 --> 00:40:28,194
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I get skin.

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Speaker 1: You don't really strike me as someone that's like got

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Speaker 1: my twenty one steps.

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Speaker 2: No, I used to be. I used to be, but

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Speaker 2: then I was breaking out if like I ran out

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Speaker 2: of one because it was like this maybe like this

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Speaker 2: balance of pH on my skin was like relying on

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Speaker 2: every single step. Yes, so it was like one change and.

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Speaker 1: It would just go crazy once again, very expensive when

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Speaker 1: it's that twenty one steps didn't no one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so needling. I go to a facille owned

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Speaker 2: by two gorgeous women.

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Speaker 1: We've had them on before.

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Speaker 2: They're amazing and they're so lovely, and it's like the

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Speaker 2: needling has been incredible.

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Speaker 1: Also huge fan. I had awful acne in my twenties.

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Speaker 1: Really needling's beautiful skinling.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, like the only thing that ever cleared

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Speaker 1: it up.

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Speaker 2: I love it. The pain is gnarali when I do that,

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Speaker 2: find it that bad? See when I have period, it's

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Speaker 2: so bad, but usually okay, But when they put the

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Speaker 2: acid on afterwards because I get an acid thing.

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Speaker 1: Up that would burn Freddy Krueger afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, but it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I've gone out for dinner though afterwards I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: don't care. I just had a facial treatment. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: flushed and gorgeous, kay, and you know that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to look really hot. Finally, what is the best tip

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Speaker 1: or product you've picked up make up addition, because you've

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Speaker 1: had your makeup done by incredible people.

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Speaker 2: So many times. Yeah, I think the one that I

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00:41:51,834 --> 00:41:56,034
Speaker 2: use the most, and it's probably pretty obvious, but it's

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Speaker 2: using the same color on your like the same product

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Speaker 2: with lipstick on your lips, cheeks and eyes.

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Speaker 1: That's not obvious. I think you're the first person that's

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Speaker 1: ever said that. Really, Yeah, I completely agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Is so beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It's easy. No, but I should blum on you. Please

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Speaker 2: try it and then on and then just a little

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Speaker 2: on the.

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Speaker 1: Wash on the cheek and then a lip. I honestly

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Speaker 1: think that that would be iconic on you. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good idea because against the blue and then the

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Speaker 1: contrast of the hair, gorgeous.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so welcome. Use one product because my makeup

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Speaker 2: a lot of makeup artists do that on TV to

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Speaker 2: make it look cohesive and just and just.

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Speaker 1: Like you don't really know what's going on, but it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's all the same texture as well, like

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Speaker 2: it just looks like, yeah, not too natural, but it's

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Speaker 2: it's really beautiful. And then like when I travel, I'll

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Speaker 2: just take like one lipstick and then foundation like a

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Speaker 2: little tiny bag because I can just if I get desperado,

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Speaker 2: I can just use that like holiday or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Abby, thank you, We appreciate having you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you well, Thank you so much to the glorious

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Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield. If you love this deep dive into koalas

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Speaker 1: the Bush and challenging some pretty old beauty standards, make

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