1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,024 Speaker 1: So much you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,784 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,864 --> 00:00:20,704 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:20,264 --> 00:00:27,864 Speaker 2: On from mom and MEA welcome to this spill your 5 00:00:27,944 --> 00:00:29,144 Speaker 2: daily pop culture fix. 6 00:00:29,304 --> 00:00:31,744 Speaker 1: I'm Amburnham and I'm Laura Brodney. Wow. 7 00:00:31,984 --> 00:00:32,864 Speaker 2: Lovely to be here. 8 00:00:33,064 --> 00:00:34,864 Speaker 1: Lovely. I feel it almost said like lovely to meet 9 00:00:34,904 --> 00:00:36,224 Speaker 1: you because I haven't seen you for like a week. 10 00:00:36,544 --> 00:00:39,184 Speaker 2: It's been really long. I know it even went on 11 00:00:39,264 --> 00:00:40,864 Speaker 2: a date without me last night. 12 00:00:41,304 --> 00:00:43,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, And can I just tell you this is so 13 00:00:43,464 --> 00:00:46,184 Speaker 1: of our toxic codependent relationship. I actually did think about 14 00:00:46,224 --> 00:00:48,504 Speaker 1: you the whole time. Anyway, I won't spoil anything or 15 00:00:48,584 --> 00:00:50,904 Speaker 1: just say we can watch. Tomorrow is going to be lit. 16 00:00:51,024 --> 00:00:52,504 Speaker 2: It's going to be lit. 17 00:00:52,704 --> 00:00:55,344 Speaker 1: But coming up on the show today a new podcast 18 00:00:55,384 --> 00:00:58,344 Speaker 1: interview that has absolutely blown my mind on the whole 19 00:00:58,384 --> 00:01:04,224 Speaker 1: Glen Pale Sydney Sweeney situation, plus Sabena Carpenter's new artworks 20 00:01:04,224 --> 00:01:07,464 Speaker 1: song One of Us has a really intense opinion and 21 00:01:07,504 --> 00:01:10,344 Speaker 1: for the first time, it's not me. I have thoughts. 22 00:01:10,544 --> 00:01:11,184 Speaker 2: It's a hot take. 23 00:01:11,264 --> 00:01:13,224 Speaker 1: It's a hot take. It's the hottest of takes that 24 00:01:13,304 --> 00:01:15,144 Speaker 1: will only stay here in the spill in the safety 25 00:01:15,144 --> 00:01:17,904 Speaker 1: of our friends. Don't tell anyone but first, this week 26 00:01:17,944 --> 00:01:20,464 Speaker 1: we've been gifted with the first trailer for an upcoming 27 00:01:20,504 --> 00:01:23,784 Speaker 1: movie on Netflix, A little rom Com. And what's exciting 28 00:01:23,824 --> 00:01:26,944 Speaker 1: about that is that it is written, produced, and created 29 00:01:27,224 --> 00:01:32,544 Speaker 1: by Lena Dunam. Just something has shifted with you. You're unhappy. 30 00:01:32,784 --> 00:01:33,104 Speaker 2: Leave me. 31 00:01:33,904 --> 00:01:38,264 Speaker 1: It's the worst thing everyone's ever done. Change your life. 32 00:01:38,344 --> 00:01:39,104 Speaker 1: Guilty London. 33 00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,064 Speaker 2: Seriously, you love London. 34 00:01:41,584 --> 00:01:44,504 Speaker 1: You saw a Spice World nine times in the Theater. 35 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:44,584 Speaker 3: Of t. 36 00:01:46,224 --> 00:01:46,744 Speaker 4: Do this thing. 37 00:01:47,464 --> 00:01:50,144 Speaker 1: I'm fix by the way you've got like an American accent. Right, 38 00:01:50,304 --> 00:01:55,064 Speaker 1: let me guess you like one of those love actually girls. 39 00:01:55,144 --> 00:01:56,944 Speaker 1: I came here to find myself? 40 00:01:57,224 --> 00:01:58,504 Speaker 4: Is he who he says? He used? 41 00:01:59,584 --> 00:02:02,264 Speaker 1: This has all just been a series of redflex You 42 00:02:02,344 --> 00:02:04,944 Speaker 1: think you're so special. I get that it's hard for you, 43 00:02:05,024 --> 00:02:08,224 Speaker 1: but like it's hard for fucking everyone. Okay, I wanted 44 00:02:08,304 --> 00:02:09,784 Speaker 1: to be in bed with like a few grant from 45 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:13,984 Speaker 1: the British. Did you say British. There's four of them. Yeah, 46 00:02:14,024 --> 00:02:17,584 Speaker 1: it's not called British jonesis. 47 00:02:17,824 --> 00:02:19,584 Speaker 2: I am so excited? 48 00:02:19,624 --> 00:02:21,664 Speaker 1: How many times have you watched the trailer? I've shocked 49 00:02:21,704 --> 00:02:22,424 Speaker 1: him at three. 50 00:02:22,864 --> 00:02:24,504 Speaker 2: Oh, I think I'm like on seven. 51 00:02:24,664 --> 00:02:24,824 Speaker 4: Oh. 52 00:02:24,864 --> 00:02:27,784 Speaker 1: Really, it's like a little movie to me. It's so good. 53 00:02:28,024 --> 00:02:30,664 Speaker 1: The trailer itself could be a short film. It's so good. 54 00:02:30,704 --> 00:02:32,184 Speaker 2: I have a huge crash on Will Sharp. 55 00:02:32,664 --> 00:02:35,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's from White Lotus Season two, right, and he's 56 00:02:35,584 --> 00:02:37,704 Speaker 1: in this Well, he's playing a very pivotal role. So 57 00:02:37,704 --> 00:02:40,104 Speaker 1: this new movie stars Megan Statler. It's called too much. 58 00:02:40,104 --> 00:02:42,904 Speaker 1: And if I say that it's too excited, too much, 59 00:02:43,064 --> 00:02:43,904 Speaker 1: too much, which. 60 00:02:43,744 --> 00:02:45,304 Speaker 2: The movie every Woman has been called. 61 00:02:45,304 --> 00:02:47,864 Speaker 1: At least literally, that is what I think to myself 62 00:02:47,904 --> 00:02:49,544 Speaker 1: every day as I walk into this office. Might don't 63 00:02:49,544 --> 00:02:51,144 Speaker 1: be too much, don't be too much. And I always 64 00:02:51,184 --> 00:02:52,624 Speaker 1: break it as soon as I walk in the door. 65 00:02:53,264 --> 00:02:54,904 Speaker 1: But that's fine. I'll thank you. Well, maybe to you, 66 00:02:54,984 --> 00:02:57,064 Speaker 1: but to the rest of the world. Definitely so me 67 00:02:57,064 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 1: and we won't talk about that. So it stars Megham Stetler, 68 00:03:00,104 --> 00:03:02,864 Speaker 1: who is an amazing comedian. But I think a lot 69 00:03:02,864 --> 00:03:04,784 Speaker 1: of people have fallen in love with her recently on 70 00:03:04,824 --> 00:03:07,704 Speaker 1: the TV show Hats, one of the greatest TV shows 71 00:03:07,704 --> 00:03:08,184 Speaker 1: of all time. 72 00:03:08,304 --> 00:03:10,144 Speaker 2: She's just been a big award winner TV show. 73 00:03:10,184 --> 00:03:13,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's won so many awards, critical acclaim. It just 74 00:03:13,264 --> 00:03:15,584 Speaker 1: finished its recent season on standing if you haven't watched it, 75 00:03:15,624 --> 00:03:18,264 Speaker 1: but it's been renewed for another season. I'm so excited. 76 00:03:18,384 --> 00:03:20,344 Speaker 1: So she's been a breakout star and that, and she's 77 00:03:20,384 --> 00:03:23,024 Speaker 1: the lead in this and she plays a woman called Jessica, 78 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:26,944 Speaker 1: which is just the perfect, like slightly elder millennial name. 79 00:03:26,864 --> 00:03:28,784 Speaker 2: And is actually I didn't even think of that. 80 00:03:28,824 --> 00:03:31,144 Speaker 1: Well yeah, because she's playing a woman in her mid thirties, 81 00:03:31,184 --> 00:03:34,264 Speaker 1: and I think at that time, every second girl was Jessica. 82 00:03:34,424 --> 00:03:36,824 Speaker 1: I was almost Jessica. I was going to be Jessica 83 00:03:36,944 --> 00:03:38,464 Speaker 1: until the day I was born and my mum opened 84 00:03:38,504 --> 00:03:40,904 Speaker 1: the newspaper and all the announcements were all Jessica. 85 00:03:41,064 --> 00:03:41,904 Speaker 2: That's so funny. 86 00:03:41,904 --> 00:03:43,744 Speaker 1: So she flipped to Laura. But it's a good name 87 00:03:43,784 --> 00:03:44,544 Speaker 1: Shakespeare invented. 88 00:03:44,584 --> 00:03:47,104 Speaker 2: I feel like everyone has a friend named jess. 89 00:03:47,144 --> 00:03:50,024 Speaker 1: Everyone has a jess jesses so like I just love 90 00:03:50,064 --> 00:03:52,624 Speaker 1: that little detail of like that that's exactly what her 91 00:03:52,704 --> 00:03:55,984 Speaker 1: name would be. So she's a workaholic woman living in 92 00:03:55,984 --> 00:03:58,784 Speaker 1: New York. She's in her mid thirties. She's just had 93 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:01,704 Speaker 1: this big relationship breakup that she thought was going to 94 00:04:01,744 --> 00:04:05,064 Speaker 1: be her forever relationship. Her partner has like moved on 95 00:04:05,144 --> 00:04:09,424 Speaker 1: with a new love interest when Saya like the one 96 00:04:09,504 --> 00:04:13,624 Speaker 1: love interest note no pardon to move on with, and 97 00:04:13,744 --> 00:04:17,144 Speaker 1: so she takes off and moves to London, where she 98 00:04:17,264 --> 00:04:20,264 Speaker 1: plans to live a life of solitude like a Bronte's stuff. 99 00:04:21,064 --> 00:04:23,144 Speaker 2: It's giving little women exactly. 100 00:04:23,464 --> 00:04:26,344 Speaker 1: But when she's there, she meets Felix played by Will 101 00:04:26,424 --> 00:04:30,064 Speaker 1: Shark Your Lover, and they sort of have this kind 102 00:04:30,104 --> 00:04:33,824 Speaker 1: of big, beautiful romance, but also she's trying to find 103 00:04:33,824 --> 00:04:34,544 Speaker 1: herself and. 104 00:04:34,504 --> 00:04:37,024 Speaker 2: It feels like a huge situation ship. That's where I 105 00:04:37,144 --> 00:04:38,104 Speaker 2: feel like it's gonna go. 106 00:04:38,144 --> 00:04:40,184 Speaker 1: One hundred percent this love story, but it's also this 107 00:04:40,224 --> 00:04:42,824 Speaker 1: thing on modern dating, and the dialogue is so sharp 108 00:04:42,864 --> 00:04:45,304 Speaker 1: and funny, like I love when she arrives in London 109 00:04:45,744 --> 00:04:47,704 Speaker 1: and she meets Felix and he's like, oh, are you 110 00:04:47,744 --> 00:04:49,664 Speaker 1: one of those love Actually girls? As in like she's 111 00:04:49,744 --> 00:04:52,304 Speaker 1: grown up watching her Love Actually and so she's come 112 00:04:52,344 --> 00:04:55,064 Speaker 1: to London and then it comes upon the screen produced 113 00:04:55,064 --> 00:04:56,104 Speaker 1: by the people who made. 114 00:04:55,944 --> 00:04:58,464 Speaker 2: Love Actually so good. It's so funny. 115 00:04:58,504 --> 00:05:01,384 Speaker 1: Interesting though, this is like a little autobiographical for Lena 116 00:05:01,424 --> 00:05:03,664 Speaker 1: Dunham in a way, because remember how she broke up 117 00:05:03,664 --> 00:05:05,664 Speaker 1: with Jacki Antonoff and there's a whole thing. He was 118 00:05:05,744 --> 00:05:08,064 Speaker 1: dating Lord and then he moved on really quickly with 119 00:05:08,104 --> 00:05:11,424 Speaker 1: Margaret Quality and they got married. And when Lena Dunham 120 00:05:11,584 --> 00:05:15,464 Speaker 1: met an Englishman called Louis Felber, who is the co 121 00:05:15,584 --> 00:05:17,464 Speaker 1: creator and producer on this show. 122 00:05:17,504 --> 00:05:18,824 Speaker 2: She met the guy she married. 123 00:05:18,984 --> 00:05:21,464 Speaker 1: Yes, so she made the show with her husband, and 124 00:05:21,504 --> 00:05:24,104 Speaker 1: so they met. So Lena and Louis met, and she 125 00:05:24,144 --> 00:05:25,664 Speaker 1: thought it was just gonna be a one night's stand 126 00:05:25,784 --> 00:05:27,464 Speaker 1: and they met and they just went like a whole 127 00:05:27,544 --> 00:05:30,464 Speaker 1: night walking around London, talked for hours and hours and hours. 128 00:05:30,464 --> 00:05:32,504 Speaker 1: This is in twenty twenty one, and a few months 129 00:05:32,544 --> 00:05:34,984 Speaker 1: later they had that big, beautiful London wedding, remember when 130 00:05:35,024 --> 00:05:37,824 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was the bridesmaid, and they just fell madly 131 00:05:37,864 --> 00:05:39,784 Speaker 1: in love. And then they've made the show together, which 132 00:05:39,824 --> 00:05:42,184 Speaker 1: is kind of like an interpretation of their lost story. 133 00:05:42,264 --> 00:05:44,064 Speaker 2: And this is the first thing that because I obviously 134 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:45,984 Speaker 2: know Lena Dunham still rides and she has a sub 135 00:05:46,024 --> 00:05:48,424 Speaker 2: stack and everything, but this the first like piece of 136 00:05:48,424 --> 00:05:50,544 Speaker 2: TV she's made since Girls. 137 00:05:50,624 --> 00:05:52,704 Speaker 1: Oh no, she's made other things like that is like 138 00:05:52,704 --> 00:05:54,744 Speaker 1: a girl called Bertie and like a few other kind 139 00:05:54,824 --> 00:05:56,584 Speaker 1: of things like this, But I guess this is kind 140 00:05:56,584 --> 00:05:59,264 Speaker 1: of her dipping her toe back into that signature form 141 00:05:59,304 --> 00:06:02,344 Speaker 1: of storytelling that she had with girls, which is that 142 00:06:02,424 --> 00:06:05,384 Speaker 1: kind of millennial. It also like it's a kind of 143 00:06:05,384 --> 00:06:08,744 Speaker 1: critique of like modern dating and also expectations of life 144 00:06:08,504 --> 00:06:12,224 Speaker 1: and friendship and all the things. And so Megan Stutler's 145 00:06:12,264 --> 00:06:15,664 Speaker 1: kind of as Jessica is playing like a very fictionalized 146 00:06:15,784 --> 00:06:18,264 Speaker 1: version of her, which I hope people will just kind 147 00:06:18,304 --> 00:06:19,544 Speaker 1: of get on board with this time. 148 00:06:19,664 --> 00:06:22,024 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't want it to be tainted with any 149 00:06:22,344 --> 00:06:26,664 Speaker 2: reviews about the comparison between the show and Lena Dunham's life, 150 00:06:26,664 --> 00:06:28,064 Speaker 2: because I feel like this is just going to be 151 00:06:28,104 --> 00:06:32,184 Speaker 2: such good standalone TV yeah, that everyone's going to enjoy. 152 00:06:32,464 --> 00:06:34,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, because when she uses her own life, which she's 153 00:06:34,744 --> 00:06:36,864 Speaker 1: done many times, not just with girls, but like with 154 00:06:36,944 --> 00:06:38,984 Speaker 1: tiny furniture and all these kind of things, she's just 155 00:06:39,064 --> 00:06:40,904 Speaker 1: using that as a jumping off point, and she's taking 156 00:06:40,944 --> 00:06:43,104 Speaker 1: these little bits of her life and our lives as 157 00:06:43,144 --> 00:06:45,424 Speaker 1: like women in their twenties, thirties and like forties now 158 00:06:45,744 --> 00:06:47,864 Speaker 1: and like blowing it up. And that was the big 159 00:06:47,904 --> 00:06:50,864 Speaker 1: critique with Girls that people still don't get is that 160 00:06:51,744 --> 00:06:54,864 Speaker 1: Hannah Harvath was meant to be like satire, like a caricature. 161 00:06:55,264 --> 00:06:56,984 Speaker 1: When she would say things like I'm the voice of 162 00:06:56,984 --> 00:06:58,904 Speaker 1: a generation and stuff like it's meant to be. It's 163 00:06:58,944 --> 00:06:59,944 Speaker 1: meant to be part of a joke. 164 00:07:00,304 --> 00:07:03,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, that every woman has like felt and it was like, actually, 165 00:07:03,104 --> 00:07:05,024 Speaker 2: like all four of them right, like they all felt 166 00:07:05,024 --> 00:07:08,464 Speaker 2: like extreme character chures of like every person you've been 167 00:07:08,584 --> 00:07:09,624 Speaker 2: growing up in your twenties. 168 00:07:09,624 --> 00:07:11,784 Speaker 1: And then yeah, and that's so deliberate. Now people are 169 00:07:11,824 --> 00:07:13,704 Speaker 1: just like, oh, it's so insufferable, and like that's just 170 00:07:13,784 --> 00:07:16,344 Speaker 1: her on screen. It's a joke, and like this is 171 00:07:16,384 --> 00:07:20,464 Speaker 1: also a very over the top character she is. I 172 00:07:20,504 --> 00:07:23,264 Speaker 1: love when she's walking through the notting Hill houses and 173 00:07:23,304 --> 00:07:25,464 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, everyone who lives in this neighborhood is 174 00:07:25,464 --> 00:07:27,384 Speaker 1: like they're all broken inside, and she's like, oh, but 175 00:07:27,464 --> 00:07:30,824 Speaker 1: a yellow doors. So true, she's all of us. When 176 00:07:30,824 --> 00:07:33,984 Speaker 1: we go to London. It's so magical here doing a 177 00:07:34,024 --> 00:07:36,584 Speaker 1: huge pug for Netflix here because we're so we're so 178 00:07:36,664 --> 00:07:39,104 Speaker 1: easily bought with a good trailer. Too Much is coming 179 00:07:39,104 --> 00:07:42,584 Speaker 1: out on Netflix July ten. We'll talk more about it then. 180 00:07:43,424 --> 00:07:47,424 Speaker 2: Okay. So a few days ago, Sabrina Carpenter released a 181 00:07:47,504 --> 00:07:59,384 Speaker 2: music video called Manchild and the video is very similar 182 00:07:59,464 --> 00:08:02,904 Speaker 2: to her other music videos like Espresso and Please Please 183 00:08:02,944 --> 00:08:06,704 Speaker 2: Please is very big storytelling. It's obviously set in a 184 00:08:06,744 --> 00:08:09,664 Speaker 2: specific period of time. It's pretty old school. There's that 185 00:08:09,784 --> 00:08:13,064 Speaker 2: like seep filter over it. And in this video she 186 00:08:13,184 --> 00:08:15,304 Speaker 2: plays a sexy beautiful hitchhiker. 187 00:08:15,824 --> 00:08:18,704 Speaker 1: Such a departure for her. A sexy beautiful woman. 188 00:08:18,744 --> 00:08:22,424 Speaker 2: A sexy beautiful woman who is a hitchhiker who catches 189 00:08:22,504 --> 00:08:26,664 Speaker 2: rides with really dumb men, so like men who wash 190 00:08:26,704 --> 00:08:29,864 Speaker 2: their face with gasoline, men who are like extremely bad 191 00:08:29,944 --> 00:08:32,864 Speaker 2: kisses and they don't realize. I want to read some 192 00:08:32,904 --> 00:08:34,464 Speaker 2: of the lyrics for this song, Like one of the 193 00:08:34,504 --> 00:08:39,064 Speaker 2: lyrics is why so sexy if so dumb? And how 194 00:08:39,184 --> 00:08:41,944 Speaker 2: survived the earth so long? If I'm not there, it 195 00:08:41,984 --> 00:08:43,944 Speaker 2: won't get done. I choose to blame. 196 00:08:43,704 --> 00:08:45,984 Speaker 1: Your mom, I mean, fair, fair friend. 197 00:08:46,944 --> 00:08:50,024 Speaker 2: So it's kind of everything that she's done, Like she 198 00:08:50,064 --> 00:08:52,384 Speaker 2: hasn't changed her brand as such, right, Like we've talked 199 00:08:52,384 --> 00:08:55,584 Speaker 2: about her before, how she's plays this role of like 200 00:08:55,984 --> 00:09:00,384 Speaker 2: the sexy bombshell pollypocket girl who kind of takes ownership 201 00:09:00,424 --> 00:09:05,024 Speaker 2: of her sexuality and says that women are better than men. Essentially, 202 00:09:05,024 --> 00:09:06,944 Speaker 2: that's pretty much what she's been saying, and she's had 203 00:09:06,944 --> 00:09:11,024 Speaker 2: that interesting strategy from kind of moving out of that 204 00:09:11,144 --> 00:09:13,904 Speaker 2: Disney persona that I feel like a lot of other 205 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:17,304 Speaker 2: Disney stars weren't able to do as well, and she's 206 00:09:17,384 --> 00:09:20,104 Speaker 2: kind of pushed into this limelight. And her whole thing 207 00:09:20,304 --> 00:09:23,384 Speaker 2: is that she sexualizes herself, but it's for women, it's 208 00:09:23,384 --> 00:09:26,224 Speaker 2: not essentially for men. And she also does all of 209 00:09:26,264 --> 00:09:28,904 Speaker 2: this in I want to say the name of female empowerment. 210 00:09:29,304 --> 00:09:31,024 Speaker 1: I think so. And again, this is all we've said 211 00:09:31,024 --> 00:09:33,864 Speaker 1: from the moment she got really popular. Is that the 212 00:09:34,264 --> 00:09:37,064 Speaker 1: dancing around stage and the little baby doll dresses, all 213 00:09:37,064 --> 00:09:40,504 Speaker 1: the sequin body suits, the big hair, the very over 214 00:09:40,504 --> 00:09:44,464 Speaker 1: the top, almost like burlesque baby girl style makeup and everything, 215 00:09:44,504 --> 00:09:47,384 Speaker 1: and like that really old school pop star persona that 216 00:09:47,464 --> 00:09:50,944 Speaker 1: she has. It should feel regressive. It should feel like 217 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:53,664 Speaker 1: we've done this so many times, haven't we moved past this? 218 00:09:53,984 --> 00:09:56,104 Speaker 1: But it's almost like we've come back around so far 219 00:09:56,144 --> 00:09:58,304 Speaker 1: the other way that what was regressive now feels like 220 00:09:58,344 --> 00:10:00,904 Speaker 1: really fresh and fun, And I'm like, yeah, I just 221 00:10:00,944 --> 00:10:03,144 Speaker 1: want to see a girl acting like a sexy baby 222 00:10:03,544 --> 00:10:06,464 Speaker 1: up on the stage, dancing around Laingderie singing too cute 223 00:10:06,504 --> 00:10:08,384 Speaker 1: little lyrics that I can bop along to. It's all 224 00:10:08,424 --> 00:10:08,744 Speaker 1: I want. 225 00:10:08,904 --> 00:10:11,504 Speaker 2: And the stage stuff like I feel like, oh my god, 226 00:10:11,544 --> 00:10:13,784 Speaker 2: what am I watching? But it's exactly what you said. 227 00:10:13,824 --> 00:10:16,384 Speaker 2: It's not like she comes out in a towel. There's 228 00:10:16,384 --> 00:10:18,784 Speaker 2: one song Juno that she does, like a different sex 229 00:10:18,824 --> 00:10:19,984 Speaker 2: position every night. 230 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:22,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. She was doing the Short and Sweet too, 231 00:10:22,624 --> 00:10:24,064 Speaker 1: And like a lot of mums will take their younger 232 00:10:24,184 --> 00:10:27,224 Speaker 1: kids because they like love espresso without like knowing what 233 00:10:27,264 --> 00:10:29,504 Speaker 1: almost stuffs about, which is all of us listening to 234 00:10:29,544 --> 00:10:31,104 Speaker 1: pop music when we're kids, Like it's only when you 235 00:10:31,104 --> 00:10:32,424 Speaker 1: get older you're like, oh, I sung this when I 236 00:10:32,464 --> 00:10:34,664 Speaker 1: was five, but it's about a sex position, but I 237 00:10:34,704 --> 00:10:37,624 Speaker 1: didn't know, so it was fine. And all these mums 238 00:10:37,704 --> 00:10:40,904 Speaker 1: and dads being so horrified that she was simulating sex 239 00:10:40,944 --> 00:10:43,344 Speaker 1: on stage, and I was like, that's her brand. Yeah, 240 00:10:43,384 --> 00:10:45,304 Speaker 1: that's she just really like a little dolls. 241 00:10:45,504 --> 00:10:48,064 Speaker 2: It's even like articles saying if you're a parent, here's 242 00:10:48,104 --> 00:10:48,904 Speaker 2: what to watch out for. 243 00:10:49,144 --> 00:10:51,224 Speaker 1: Some moments during the show where mums would like lean 244 00:10:51,264 --> 00:10:54,104 Speaker 1: over and cover their kids' faces. Yeah, oh my god, yes, 245 00:10:54,504 --> 00:10:55,784 Speaker 1: just let them see it. It's fine. 246 00:10:55,864 --> 00:10:58,024 Speaker 2: I think all of this to say is that up 247 00:10:58,104 --> 00:11:02,264 Speaker 2: until like now, she's always been in control of the narrative, 248 00:11:02,704 --> 00:11:06,544 Speaker 2: and I think that has changed really because early this 249 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:09,824 Speaker 2: morning she announced that she's releasing a new album in August, 250 00:11:10,464 --> 00:11:12,384 Speaker 2: and I feel like she's loosened the reins a bit. 251 00:11:12,704 --> 00:11:15,464 Speaker 2: So the album is called Man's Best Friend, and she's 252 00:11:15,464 --> 00:11:18,264 Speaker 2: posted it alongside the artwork, which is her on her 253 00:11:18,304 --> 00:11:21,104 Speaker 2: hands and knees in front of a man standing over her, 254 00:11:21,704 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 2: gripping a handful of her hair. And I don't want 255 00:11:24,904 --> 00:11:26,664 Speaker 2: to sound like a prude, but it deeply upset me. 256 00:11:27,104 --> 00:11:27,544 Speaker 4: Why did it? 257 00:11:27,784 --> 00:11:30,824 Speaker 1: Okay, So he's leaning over her, and he's gripping her 258 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:33,064 Speaker 1: hair in a like a very intense way, right, like 259 00:11:33,064 --> 00:11:34,064 Speaker 1: a fistful. 260 00:11:33,664 --> 00:11:35,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like a fist full of ham like kind of 261 00:11:35,264 --> 00:11:35,984 Speaker 2: pulling it up. 262 00:11:36,384 --> 00:11:38,944 Speaker 1: Yeah. So something that is like bording that line between 263 00:11:38,984 --> 00:11:41,464 Speaker 1: like consensual sex play and something a bit more forceful. 264 00:11:41,664 --> 00:11:42,024 Speaker 2: Yeah. 265 00:11:42,064 --> 00:11:44,264 Speaker 1: And so you saw that, and why was it upsetting? 266 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:46,984 Speaker 2: I saw that, and I thought, like, I'm a huge 267 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:50,064 Speaker 2: Sabrina Carpenter fan, and I think what she does really 268 00:11:50,144 --> 00:11:53,984 Speaker 2: well is that she juxtaposes her songs from what she's 269 00:11:54,024 --> 00:11:57,384 Speaker 2: putting out there in her looks. And I think that 270 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:00,624 Speaker 2: works because like you're obviously being sexy. It's for the 271 00:12:00,624 --> 00:12:03,384 Speaker 2: male gaze essentially, but then the songs do something different 272 00:12:03,424 --> 00:12:05,224 Speaker 2: where the songs are for women. The songs are like, 273 00:12:05,464 --> 00:12:07,664 Speaker 2: don't take shit from men, especially shitty men. 274 00:12:08,464 --> 00:12:10,664 Speaker 1: All my heart, my makeup so nice. 275 00:12:10,784 --> 00:12:10,944 Speaker 3: Yeah. 276 00:12:11,384 --> 00:12:13,264 Speaker 1: The thing when you hear that, you're like, yeah. 277 00:12:13,144 --> 00:12:15,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have the power. Even the sex position 278 00:12:15,264 --> 00:12:17,944 Speaker 2: she does on stage, it's like the women having the 279 00:12:17,984 --> 00:12:21,224 Speaker 2: power in that situation, right, And this feels like it's 280 00:12:21,264 --> 00:12:24,784 Speaker 2: done the complete opposite, and it's it's something that I 281 00:12:24,784 --> 00:12:28,144 Speaker 2: feel like works for an older audience where you can 282 00:12:28,304 --> 00:12:30,864 Speaker 2: see that juxtaposition. But we have to keep in mind 283 00:12:30,904 --> 00:12:33,104 Speaker 2: that a lot of her fans are young girls, like 284 00:12:33,264 --> 00:12:37,024 Speaker 2: young children, and I think just seeing an album artwork 285 00:12:37,184 --> 00:12:41,264 Speaker 2: of a woman comparing herself to a dog man's best friend, 286 00:12:41,384 --> 00:12:43,704 Speaker 2: being on her hands and knees in front of a man, 287 00:12:44,064 --> 00:12:47,944 Speaker 2: and like it's such a submissive like kind of like 288 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:52,304 Speaker 2: making yourself really small and just like a really gross way. Yeah, 289 00:12:52,464 --> 00:12:55,104 Speaker 2: not everyone will be able to see that stark difference 290 00:12:55,104 --> 00:12:57,904 Speaker 2: between that and then the song she released, Manchild, and 291 00:12:57,944 --> 00:13:01,864 Speaker 2: I think that is quite harmful for the young girls 292 00:13:01,864 --> 00:13:02,504 Speaker 2: who follow her. 293 00:13:02,944 --> 00:13:05,624 Speaker 1: Oh isn't that interesting? Because I took a completely dig 294 00:13:05,944 --> 00:13:07,784 Speaker 1: kind of takeaway from it when I saw it, I 295 00:13:07,824 --> 00:13:10,144 Speaker 1: just was like, I mean, obviously, I do understand what 296 00:13:10,144 --> 00:13:11,744 Speaker 1: you're saying, like there's some kind of more of a 297 00:13:11,784 --> 00:13:15,064 Speaker 1: serious undertone there, but I think she's leaned so far 298 00:13:15,144 --> 00:13:18,264 Speaker 1: into this kind of like bubblegum pop persona that something 299 00:13:18,344 --> 00:13:20,624 Speaker 1: like that just feels like the natural progression of where 300 00:13:20,624 --> 00:13:23,304 Speaker 1: her marketing needs to go. And I think she's probably 301 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:25,824 Speaker 1: looking around because she's like almost the definition of a 302 00:13:25,824 --> 00:13:29,504 Speaker 1: manufactured pop star without being like someone who was just 303 00:13:29,584 --> 00:13:31,944 Speaker 1: plucked and kind of given a completely new name in makeover, 304 00:13:32,024 --> 00:13:33,624 Speaker 1: Like she's been around for a while, but everything about 305 00:13:33,624 --> 00:13:36,584 Speaker 1: her is very manufactured, and I think that she's leaning 306 00:13:36,664 --> 00:13:41,344 Speaker 1: into almost that kind of shock, trying to get publicy 307 00:13:41,424 --> 00:13:43,304 Speaker 1: through that way, because if you look round at her, 308 00:13:43,344 --> 00:13:46,504 Speaker 1: like competition, it's like Taylor Swift, who's also on stage 309 00:13:46,504 --> 00:13:48,424 Speaker 1: in a sparkly bodysuit, but it is still very much 310 00:13:48,464 --> 00:13:51,304 Speaker 1: appealing to very young girls and is very much like 311 00:13:51,424 --> 00:13:54,304 Speaker 1: very earnest and female empowerment and this is what a 312 00:13:54,344 --> 00:13:57,464 Speaker 1: relationship is. And I'm here like I'm a songwriter kind 313 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,944 Speaker 1: of thing. I'd say that with all respect, obviously, I'm 314 00:13:59,944 --> 00:14:02,424 Speaker 1: like a basic bitch. I love taylor'ste I love Sabrina Carpenter, 315 00:14:02,664 --> 00:14:05,104 Speaker 1: but also Gracie Abrams, who's like standing on stage very 316 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:08,264 Speaker 1: pared back with a guitar, singing these beautiful lyrics and 317 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:11,304 Speaker 1: almost going a bit folksy sometimes. And then you've got like, 318 00:14:11,424 --> 00:14:13,144 Speaker 1: you know, the other women who are coming up, who 319 00:14:13,144 --> 00:14:15,864 Speaker 1: are also leading more away from that old school pop 320 00:14:15,864 --> 00:14:18,144 Speaker 1: star thing. So she's gone the other way, which is 321 00:14:18,224 --> 00:14:19,944 Speaker 1: quite smart in terms of being like, I'm going to 322 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:21,944 Speaker 1: go back and do it like what Brittany did, what 323 00:14:22,064 --> 00:14:24,384 Speaker 1: Christina did, all those kind of like things, and be 324 00:14:24,584 --> 00:14:27,184 Speaker 1: very like aggressively sexual in a way that feels like 325 00:14:27,224 --> 00:14:30,864 Speaker 1: it's pushing the envelope. And because she's been very clear 326 00:14:30,904 --> 00:14:32,664 Speaker 1: also in the fact that she's like, I put my 327 00:14:32,664 --> 00:14:35,064 Speaker 1: tour together, I write my songs, I do my dances, 328 00:14:35,304 --> 00:14:37,304 Speaker 1: so I'm choosing this. So when I saw it, I 329 00:14:37,384 --> 00:14:39,904 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's fine, because she's choosing it, it's 330 00:14:39,944 --> 00:14:40,824 Speaker 1: like consensual. 331 00:14:41,024 --> 00:14:42,984 Speaker 2: It is consensual one hundred percent, and I think it 332 00:14:43,024 --> 00:14:45,584 Speaker 2: does work for us. But similar to Gracie Abrams and 333 00:14:45,664 --> 00:14:48,904 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, like you said, if you're still taking money 334 00:14:48,944 --> 00:14:51,664 Speaker 2: from young girls attending your concert. I think you do 335 00:14:51,784 --> 00:14:53,344 Speaker 2: have a level of responsibility. 336 00:14:54,184 --> 00:14:56,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but do you though like she's not 337 00:14:56,664 --> 00:14:59,224 Speaker 1: their parent, She's not there to raise them. No, but 338 00:14:59,264 --> 00:15:01,944 Speaker 1: she that's up to their parents of who goes to 339 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,944 Speaker 1: the concert and who listens to their music and what 340 00:15:05,024 --> 00:15:07,424 Speaker 1: they take away from it. And isn't that the whole 341 00:15:07,504 --> 00:15:09,344 Speaker 1: excitement of like being a teenager when you go to 342 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:11,624 Speaker 1: all concerty hear a song and you're like, what is this? 343 00:15:11,824 --> 00:15:13,144 Speaker 1: Like this is one hundred different. 344 00:15:13,344 --> 00:15:15,584 Speaker 2: And I do think like even the sex positions, I 345 00:15:15,664 --> 00:15:18,224 Speaker 2: was so fine with ye, Like, but I think it's 346 00:15:18,344 --> 00:15:22,464 Speaker 2: the comparing yourself to a dog and then putting that 347 00:15:22,584 --> 00:15:25,344 Speaker 2: online and then with all the young girls to follow 348 00:15:25,424 --> 00:15:27,544 Speaker 2: us saying that this is cool, this is okay, this 349 00:15:27,624 --> 00:15:29,744 Speaker 2: is female empowerment. It is not female empowerment. 350 00:15:29,824 --> 00:15:31,704 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing about wrapping anything to do with 351 00:15:31,744 --> 00:15:35,184 Speaker 1: pop music and like money making essentially into female empowerment. 352 00:15:35,264 --> 00:15:36,944 Speaker 1: It's like, at the end of the day, to bring 353 00:15:36,944 --> 00:15:38,624 Speaker 1: it back to our friend Emrata and those kind of 354 00:15:38,624 --> 00:15:40,864 Speaker 1: women from like our first segment, it's like they'll like 355 00:15:40,864 --> 00:15:42,984 Speaker 1: be on magazine covers posing naked and all these things, 356 00:15:43,024 --> 00:15:46,184 Speaker 1: and like it's female empowerment. And it's like, no, you're 357 00:15:46,224 --> 00:15:48,544 Speaker 1: making money and that's totally fine. We support your right 358 00:15:48,584 --> 00:15:50,744 Speaker 1: to make money any way you want. But this is 359 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:54,184 Speaker 1: not lifting anyone else up and that's okay. Once you 360 00:15:54,264 --> 00:15:56,264 Speaker 1: put that kind of gaze over it, that's when it 361 00:15:56,264 --> 00:15:59,024 Speaker 1: becomes problematic. So I feel like with Sabrina Carpenter, it 362 00:15:59,184 --> 00:16:01,264 Speaker 1: could just be I think she needs to drop the 363 00:16:01,504 --> 00:16:04,504 Speaker 1: women empowerment situation where she's actually, to be fair, never 364 00:16:04,584 --> 00:16:07,664 Speaker 1: really leaned into that much. Like I've never seen her 365 00:16:07,704 --> 00:16:09,304 Speaker 1: be on stage being like I'm making a stand for women. 366 00:16:09,384 --> 00:16:11,304 Speaker 1: She's just like, stand up for your off in a relationship, 367 00:16:11,544 --> 00:16:13,384 Speaker 1: tell that loser guy to get away from you. Like, 368 00:16:13,424 --> 00:16:17,104 Speaker 1: that's just common sense. It's not empowerment. So I think, yeah, 369 00:16:17,104 --> 00:16:19,144 Speaker 1: I think once you wrap it up in empowerment, that's 370 00:16:19,544 --> 00:16:21,064 Speaker 1: a bit of a red flag. But if she's like, 371 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:23,464 Speaker 1: I'm doing this to markt myself and make money, yeah, 372 00:16:23,584 --> 00:16:24,344 Speaker 1: like that's fine. 373 00:16:24,904 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 2: Just pouring one out for all this. Parents, you have 374 00:16:27,024 --> 00:16:29,184 Speaker 2: to have a conversation with their kid who shows them 375 00:16:29,224 --> 00:16:29,624 Speaker 2: the photo. 376 00:16:30,784 --> 00:16:33,104 Speaker 1: Emily will talk to your daughter and say hey, hey, 377 00:16:34,464 --> 00:16:34,824 Speaker 1: I'll do it. 378 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:36,184 Speaker 2: Do it leads on music video. 379 00:16:36,704 --> 00:16:38,424 Speaker 1: Oh your children. I thought you said I'll do a 380 00:16:38,464 --> 00:16:41,784 Speaker 1: PSA into the camera. It's like, if your children ask questions, 381 00:16:42,104 --> 00:16:44,704 Speaker 1: show them this and Emily will say, I don't need 382 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:45,224 Speaker 1: to be a dog. 383 00:16:45,424 --> 00:16:47,304 Speaker 2: I will say, if you don't want to be a dog, 384 00:16:47,584 --> 00:16:50,024 Speaker 2: you don't have to. Yeah, women aren't dogs. 385 00:16:50,064 --> 00:16:53,064 Speaker 1: Women are dogs unless that's your thing. And in that case, 386 00:16:53,184 --> 00:16:56,384 Speaker 1: no judgment of people's sex kinks. But make it consensual. 387 00:16:57,424 --> 00:16:59,544 Speaker 1: They'll be like, don't take young kids money and be like, 388 00:16:59,544 --> 00:17:00,384 Speaker 1: what's a sex kink? 389 00:17:00,504 --> 00:17:00,664 Speaker 4: Mom? 390 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:08,584 Speaker 1: This is why you don't take parenting advice from Ellie. Okay. 391 00:17:09,064 --> 00:17:11,664 Speaker 1: Onto the interview, we've been wing. I actually thought we 392 00:17:11,664 --> 00:17:13,784 Speaker 1: were never going to get this because two long years 393 00:17:13,824 --> 00:17:15,904 Speaker 1: have passed. Has it been two years? It has been 394 00:17:15,944 --> 00:17:19,624 Speaker 1: two years months since the movie Anyone but You burst 395 00:17:19,624 --> 00:17:21,624 Speaker 1: onto our screens. But there was such a big lead 396 00:17:21,704 --> 00:17:24,104 Speaker 1: up for this rom com that was shot in Sydney 397 00:17:24,144 --> 00:17:26,744 Speaker 1: outside on your office. Actually it really took me out 398 00:17:26,744 --> 00:17:29,224 Speaker 1: of the movie because so often it's the characters from 399 00:17:29,264 --> 00:17:31,104 Speaker 1: Anyone but You, which is the wrong comm starr in 400 00:17:31,144 --> 00:17:33,544 Speaker 1: Glen Powell and Sidney Sweeney. That was filmed in Australia 401 00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:36,504 Speaker 1: in Sydney, and they were always filming on those streets. 402 00:17:36,584 --> 00:17:38,904 Speaker 1: I walk home on I was just like, oh wow. 403 00:17:39,064 --> 00:17:41,064 Speaker 1: But the funny thing was that they had to blank 404 00:17:41,104 --> 00:17:42,984 Speaker 1: out all of the faces of the crowds in the 405 00:17:43,024 --> 00:17:45,864 Speaker 1: background because obviously no one had any chill, and people 406 00:17:45,864 --> 00:17:46,424 Speaker 1: would just like. 407 00:17:46,384 --> 00:17:47,464 Speaker 2: Do you recognize yourself? 408 00:17:47,784 --> 00:17:51,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's me in the background, Glenn Glen. So that 409 00:17:52,024 --> 00:17:54,224 Speaker 1: movie came out in twenty twenty three, and the huge 410 00:17:54,224 --> 00:17:56,584 Speaker 1: build up to it was that Sidney Sweeney and Glen 411 00:17:56,584 --> 00:18:00,344 Speaker 1: Powell both in very long term loving relationships. Glen Powell 412 00:18:00,384 --> 00:18:03,944 Speaker 1: had been with his girlfriend gig Paris for over three years. 413 00:18:04,384 --> 00:18:07,264 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney had been with her fiance Jonathan Devino, oh 414 00:18:07,664 --> 00:18:08,784 Speaker 1: many many years, and. 415 00:18:08,744 --> 00:18:09,704 Speaker 2: They got a neng age. 416 00:18:09,744 --> 00:18:12,424 Speaker 1: They produced the movie together. They made the movie together essentially. 417 00:18:12,904 --> 00:18:15,424 Speaker 1: So before the movie comes out, Sydney and Glenn were 418 00:18:15,424 --> 00:18:18,904 Speaker 1: posting all of these photos and videos and things from 419 00:18:18,904 --> 00:18:21,984 Speaker 1: filming in Sydney and making this movie together. And there 420 00:18:22,024 --> 00:18:24,264 Speaker 1: were so many videos that showed them getting them really 421 00:18:24,304 --> 00:18:26,704 Speaker 1: touchy feely, remember them on the like the red double 422 00:18:26,744 --> 00:18:29,544 Speaker 1: decker tour bus, yes, or like him doing like the 423 00:18:30,064 --> 00:18:31,744 Speaker 1: weightlifting squats. 424 00:18:31,304 --> 00:18:32,904 Speaker 2: Over Oh my god, I forgot about that. 425 00:18:33,264 --> 00:18:36,344 Speaker 1: Yeah really, And so all of that stuff came out 426 00:18:36,464 --> 00:18:39,424 Speaker 1: and kind of like into the promo press of the movie. 427 00:18:39,424 --> 00:18:42,104 Speaker 1: We're also on red carpets. They were like hugging and 428 00:18:42,144 --> 00:18:45,544 Speaker 1: like half kissing, like whispering to each other and always 429 00:18:45,544 --> 00:18:47,784 Speaker 1: saying like we're just friends, but the chemistry is there, 430 00:18:47,864 --> 00:18:50,384 Speaker 1: and all these things like clearly promo for the movie, 431 00:18:50,504 --> 00:18:52,984 Speaker 1: except it wasn't. And in the midst of all that, 432 00:18:53,144 --> 00:18:56,104 Speaker 1: Gig broke up with gun Power yea, And we've never 433 00:18:56,144 --> 00:18:58,024 Speaker 1: really heard her full side of it. She did make 434 00:18:58,064 --> 00:18:59,864 Speaker 1: a comment at the time saying that what had happened 435 00:18:59,944 --> 00:19:02,184 Speaker 1: was really hurtful, but she didn't say anything else. But 436 00:19:02,344 --> 00:19:05,424 Speaker 1: now she has gone on the podcast too Much, And 437 00:19:05,464 --> 00:19:07,624 Speaker 1: when I went in to listen to the podcast, I thought, Oh, 438 00:19:07,664 --> 00:19:10,184 Speaker 1: this is gonna be one of those podcasts where she didn't. 439 00:19:09,864 --> 00:19:12,344 Speaker 2: Realize what talking about too much in two different ways. 440 00:19:12,584 --> 00:19:15,104 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, too much of the podcast, I don't, so 441 00:19:15,224 --> 00:19:17,664 Speaker 1: yeah too much the TV show too much to the podcast, 442 00:19:18,144 --> 00:19:20,824 Speaker 1: we're both too much. It is honestly the biggest phrase 443 00:19:21,264 --> 00:19:24,744 Speaker 1: I should read too much. Well, this podcast will just 444 00:19:24,744 --> 00:19:26,984 Speaker 1: be too much, which sometimes it is. So when I 445 00:19:27,064 --> 00:19:29,064 Speaker 1: went to listen to her interview on too Much, I 446 00:19:29,104 --> 00:19:30,424 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be more of a like 447 00:19:30,464 --> 00:19:34,904 Speaker 1: an overarching career chat about, you know, her life and everything, 448 00:19:34,944 --> 00:19:37,224 Speaker 1: because she's a model, she's also got a clothing line, 449 00:19:37,264 --> 00:19:39,104 Speaker 1: she's a yoga teacher, She's got a lot going on. 450 00:19:39,464 --> 00:19:43,144 Speaker 1: But the whole thing was about the Glen Powell Sydney 451 00:19:43,144 --> 00:19:46,464 Speaker 1: Sweeney situation in a way that I've never heard before. 452 00:19:47,064 --> 00:19:52,544 Speaker 2: This interview was like so insane to me. Firstly because 453 00:19:52,824 --> 00:19:57,304 Speaker 2: I didn't realize that we talked about the Sydney Sweeney 454 00:19:57,384 --> 00:19:59,784 Speaker 2: and Glenn Powell like PR thing for a really really 455 00:19:59,864 --> 00:20:02,584 Speaker 2: long time, especially as things progress and they broke up 456 00:20:02,624 --> 00:20:06,904 Speaker 2: with their partners. But I didn't realize how badly it 457 00:20:06,944 --> 00:20:08,104 Speaker 2: affected her relationship. 458 00:20:08,184 --> 00:20:10,904 Speaker 1: Yes, I was just okay, here's what I thought happened, 459 00:20:11,104 --> 00:20:14,704 Speaker 1: of which I'm now questioning. I thought that they had 460 00:20:14,744 --> 00:20:16,504 Speaker 1: been together for a while, but they'd already had like 461 00:20:16,504 --> 00:20:18,664 Speaker 1: some issues in their relationship, as you know, this is 462 00:20:18,664 --> 00:20:20,984 Speaker 1: a normal thing, And that it was so clear to 463 00:20:21,024 --> 00:20:24,104 Speaker 1: everyone that the Glenn and Sydney situation was PR because 464 00:20:24,144 --> 00:20:27,184 Speaker 1: it was so over the top and so overt, and 465 00:20:27,344 --> 00:20:30,584 Speaker 1: his public behavior had just been one factor in his 466 00:20:30,704 --> 00:20:34,104 Speaker 1: breakup with GG, not the driving force. So what she 467 00:20:34,144 --> 00:20:36,224 Speaker 1: talks about in this podcast interview is that they had 468 00:20:36,224 --> 00:20:39,224 Speaker 1: been together for over three years they lived together. Their 469 00:20:39,264 --> 00:20:42,864 Speaker 1: families were very intertwined, and a lot of their relationship 470 00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:45,944 Speaker 1: had taken place during COVID Lockdown. He was obviously a 471 00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:49,624 Speaker 1: celebrity before Top Gone and Anyone but You, but mostly 472 00:20:49,664 --> 00:20:53,504 Speaker 1: TV like smaller movie roles, that Netflix movie like, so 473 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:56,184 Speaker 1: he's not getting chased down the street by paparazzi. And 474 00:20:56,344 --> 00:21:00,344 Speaker 1: so much of their life together was in Quarantine and COVID. 475 00:21:00,504 --> 00:21:02,464 Speaker 1: So they're just at the house together, like she was like, 476 00:21:02,704 --> 00:21:04,824 Speaker 1: I would be sewing and making things, you know, and 477 00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:06,504 Speaker 1: he would just be riding and we were just together 478 00:21:06,544 --> 00:21:07,384 Speaker 1: in this little bubble. 479 00:21:07,784 --> 00:21:10,864 Speaker 2: All relationships that were formed during COVID just moved so fast. 480 00:21:11,024 --> 00:21:13,424 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's what she said. She was like, you're 481 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:15,704 Speaker 1: either broke up or you're all exactly like we were 482 00:21:15,744 --> 00:21:18,544 Speaker 1: all in So then you have that context for their relationship. 483 00:21:18,864 --> 00:21:21,344 Speaker 1: And then he goes to Australia to fill anyone but you. 484 00:21:21,624 --> 00:21:23,984 Speaker 1: They're still very in love. She's like, it was hard 485 00:21:24,024 --> 00:21:25,944 Speaker 1: to see him sort of be such a blow up 486 00:21:25,944 --> 00:21:28,144 Speaker 1: and be this megastar, but I was so in love 487 00:21:28,184 --> 00:21:30,104 Speaker 1: with him, and we told each other we would be 488 00:21:30,144 --> 00:21:33,464 Speaker 1: together forever. And then she said she starts to see 489 00:21:33,664 --> 00:21:36,504 Speaker 1: all of the videos and stories pop up about him 490 00:21:36,544 --> 00:21:39,504 Speaker 1: and Sydney, and she calls him and says like, hey, 491 00:21:39,584 --> 00:21:41,264 Speaker 1: what's going on, And that is the first time that 492 00:21:41,304 --> 00:21:43,984 Speaker 1: he's quite dismissive of her and her feelings. This is 493 00:21:43,984 --> 00:21:45,384 Speaker 1: a red flag. I love how you acting like you 494 00:21:45,384 --> 00:21:51,104 Speaker 1: haven't heard this is like leaning so bored on her. 495 00:21:53,064 --> 00:21:55,904 Speaker 1: I've listened to it. What's so interesting is that she 496 00:21:56,104 --> 00:21:59,184 Speaker 1: talked about her decision to go to Australia and kind 497 00:21:59,184 --> 00:22:01,784 Speaker 1: of all the factors in that, and to me, this 498 00:22:01,904 --> 00:22:03,664 Speaker 1: was kind of like hearing this part of her interview 499 00:22:03,704 --> 00:22:05,424 Speaker 1: was like one of the biggest red flags. 500 00:22:05,384 --> 00:22:07,864 Speaker 3: And we like try to kind of keep it on 501 00:22:08,224 --> 00:22:11,504 Speaker 3: good terms. But then as soon as I loved more 502 00:22:11,544 --> 00:22:14,184 Speaker 3: and more things started coming out, Like I just was 503 00:22:14,344 --> 00:22:19,424 Speaker 3: so frustrated, how disrespectful it all was, like, at least 504 00:22:19,824 --> 00:22:22,824 Speaker 3: have your publicist make a statement or something on my 505 00:22:22,984 --> 00:22:25,664 Speaker 3: behalf call me and say, okay, how should we address this? 506 00:22:25,824 --> 00:22:25,944 Speaker 1: Right? 507 00:22:26,064 --> 00:22:27,824 Speaker 3: There were weeks I went by I didn't hear a 508 00:22:27,824 --> 00:22:32,304 Speaker 3: single thing. It's crazy how transactional that industry is. And 509 00:22:32,344 --> 00:22:33,944 Speaker 3: that's why I was like, I need to get the 510 00:22:33,984 --> 00:22:34,664 Speaker 3: fuck out of here. 511 00:22:34,904 --> 00:22:37,104 Speaker 2: I am ready to throw hands for this woman. 512 00:22:37,304 --> 00:22:41,024 Speaker 1: Me too, like I crossed so well visited, she speaks 513 00:22:41,064 --> 00:22:44,144 Speaker 1: so eloquently. Obviously everyone said of the story would be different, 514 00:22:44,144 --> 00:22:45,344 Speaker 1: but like my. 515 00:22:45,584 --> 00:22:49,184 Speaker 2: Heart broke when I heard this interview, This Glenn Pale man, 516 00:22:49,424 --> 00:22:52,424 Speaker 2: I don't know what is but what I found really 517 00:22:52,424 --> 00:22:55,704 Speaker 2: interesting is that everything she's saying is true. Right, Like 518 00:22:56,384 --> 00:22:59,904 Speaker 2: he did not mention her at all during his press tour, 519 00:23:00,424 --> 00:23:03,944 Speaker 2: whereas Sidney Sweeney did mention her partner because as you said, 520 00:23:03,984 --> 00:23:04,944 Speaker 2: he was a produced on the show. 521 00:23:05,024 --> 00:23:07,224 Speaker 1: He was on every red carpet, he were in on 522 00:23:07,264 --> 00:23:09,664 Speaker 1: the joke and he was part of the and he's 523 00:23:09,704 --> 00:23:11,224 Speaker 1: making money off Yeah, he's making. 524 00:23:11,144 --> 00:23:13,104 Speaker 2: Money off it. There was a part where like he 525 00:23:13,184 --> 00:23:15,064 Speaker 2: was in on the joke on an SNL skid where 526 00:23:15,104 --> 00:23:17,344 Speaker 2: she called him out as like her fiance, and she 527 00:23:17,424 --> 00:23:21,344 Speaker 2: even like said he's backstage my beautiful fiance. And Glenn 528 00:23:21,344 --> 00:23:23,144 Speaker 2: pal was just silent about. 529 00:23:22,984 --> 00:23:26,024 Speaker 1: Jig exactly the only reason people knew that she existed 530 00:23:26,064 --> 00:23:28,264 Speaker 1: because they had taken photos and like talked about their 531 00:23:28,304 --> 00:23:30,864 Speaker 1: relationship previously. But as soon as he got into filming 532 00:23:30,904 --> 00:23:34,104 Speaker 1: this movie, it was like radio silence. So from Gig's perspective, 533 00:23:34,144 --> 00:23:36,424 Speaker 1: he went to Australia, he's filming this stuff blows up. 534 00:23:36,744 --> 00:23:38,904 Speaker 1: Her first kind of point of contact with him was like, hey, 535 00:23:38,944 --> 00:23:41,304 Speaker 1: I know nothing's going on, and I know thing's fine, 536 00:23:41,344 --> 00:23:43,464 Speaker 1: but just be aware that everything you're doing right now 537 00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:45,744 Speaker 1: when you post these photos is on the world stage 538 00:23:45,744 --> 00:23:47,624 Speaker 1: in a huge way. And she said he took that 539 00:23:47,784 --> 00:23:51,024 Speaker 1: very badly. And then she said she called him and 540 00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:53,264 Speaker 1: was trying to get a work visa because she wanted 541 00:23:53,304 --> 00:23:55,344 Speaker 1: to come over and be in Australia for the majority 542 00:23:55,344 --> 00:23:57,224 Speaker 1: of filming the movie, because filming a movie takes months 543 00:23:57,224 --> 00:23:59,064 Speaker 1: and months and months, but she wanted to be able 544 00:23:59,104 --> 00:24:01,384 Speaker 1: to work here because one she said, she's like, I 545 00:24:01,384 --> 00:24:04,104 Speaker 1: don't stop my life from a man, great advice to everyone. Also, 546 00:24:04,144 --> 00:24:05,704 Speaker 1: she's like, I pay my own bills and so I 547 00:24:05,704 --> 00:24:07,984 Speaker 1: can't come over and just hang out for months. So 548 00:24:08,024 --> 00:24:09,984 Speaker 1: she took a while to get to Australia because she 549 00:24:10,024 --> 00:24:13,024 Speaker 1: was getting your work visa. And as she was sorting 550 00:24:13,024 --> 00:24:15,144 Speaker 1: all of that out, she called Glenn and said it's 551 00:24:15,144 --> 00:24:18,864 Speaker 1: all coming together. I'm coming and he said to her, 552 00:24:19,144 --> 00:24:22,464 Speaker 1: I don't think you should come because of the producers. 553 00:24:22,704 --> 00:24:27,064 Speaker 3: There was one specific reason why I flew to Australia 554 00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:29,064 Speaker 3: to end things. 555 00:24:29,104 --> 00:24:29,664 Speaker 2: What was that? 556 00:24:30,424 --> 00:24:32,784 Speaker 3: I got a phone call from him right when I 557 00:24:32,824 --> 00:24:35,544 Speaker 3: was about to go to Australia to work. I had 558 00:24:35,784 --> 00:24:39,664 Speaker 3: my visa that took me much longer than I anticipated. Meanwhile, 559 00:24:39,664 --> 00:24:41,344 Speaker 3: all this show was coming out on the internet and 560 00:24:41,384 --> 00:24:44,744 Speaker 3: I had jobs lined up, and he called and said, 561 00:24:45,304 --> 00:24:47,584 Speaker 3: the producers and I have discussed that I think it's 562 00:24:47,584 --> 00:24:50,144 Speaker 3: best that you don't come to visit to. 563 00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:53,504 Speaker 4: K Are you fucking kidding me? 564 00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:53,984 Speaker 1: Nope? 565 00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:56,184 Speaker 3: And that's when I hung up and I was like, 566 00:24:56,384 --> 00:25:00,104 Speaker 3: this mother fucker is done to me. 567 00:25:00,504 --> 00:25:01,144 Speaker 2: The way. 568 00:25:02,784 --> 00:25:07,424 Speaker 4: I would have I would have swam, Yeah, fucking swam there. 569 00:25:07,624 --> 00:25:08,224 Speaker 1: Yeah. 570 00:25:08,264 --> 00:25:10,544 Speaker 4: If it's true for your partner to hear that coming 571 00:25:10,584 --> 00:25:12,584 Speaker 4: out of someone else's mouth and not just put the 572 00:25:12,624 --> 00:25:15,064 Speaker 4: kebash on it right then and there and say I'm 573 00:25:15,064 --> 00:25:17,664 Speaker 4: not saying that to my girlfriend, that's one layer of it. 574 00:25:17,744 --> 00:25:19,944 Speaker 4: And then the fact that there was the audacity to 575 00:25:19,984 --> 00:25:22,224 Speaker 4: say it to you. 576 00:25:22,224 --> 00:25:25,304 Speaker 3: You're a saint for not I think that's what I 577 00:25:25,384 --> 00:25:27,584 Speaker 3: just also thought. Out of love, I was like, where 578 00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:29,664 Speaker 3: the fuck are your balls? 579 00:25:29,904 --> 00:25:31,344 Speaker 1: Wait? What does she say? 580 00:25:31,384 --> 00:25:33,504 Speaker 2: And that beak are you talking about? 581 00:25:33,584 --> 00:25:35,984 Speaker 1: Beat? In the podcast? As well as like it's beatn 582 00:25:36,024 --> 00:25:38,144 Speaker 1: on all of the TikTok videos that we've been watching 583 00:25:38,144 --> 00:25:40,664 Speaker 1: and in the podcast. So she calls him right and says, 584 00:25:40,704 --> 00:25:43,304 Speaker 1: I'm coming, and when he says, the producers don't think 585 00:25:43,304 --> 00:25:45,664 Speaker 1: it's a good idea. The producers, I mean there's lots 586 00:25:45,704 --> 00:25:48,264 Speaker 1: of producers, but the two main producers are Sidney Sweeney 587 00:25:48,304 --> 00:25:51,824 Speaker 1: and Jonathan Devino. Oh, because they're the producers of the movie, 588 00:25:51,864 --> 00:25:54,864 Speaker 1: which who put that together? Yeah, yeah, which is a 589 00:25:54,864 --> 00:25:56,744 Speaker 1: whole extra layer of the movie. Like they're the ones 590 00:25:56,784 --> 00:25:59,344 Speaker 1: who are making the movie. So they're the ones who've 591 00:25:59,344 --> 00:26:01,184 Speaker 1: said to Glenn Powe, your don't I don't think your 592 00:26:01,184 --> 00:26:02,544 Speaker 1: girlfriend should come near the set. 593 00:26:02,744 --> 00:26:05,224 Speaker 2: Has there been any like theories on what was said 594 00:26:05,304 --> 00:26:06,144 Speaker 2: during that beef? 595 00:26:06,344 --> 00:26:08,024 Speaker 1: Well, it's so funny because if you look at all 596 00:26:08,024 --> 00:26:09,904 Speaker 1: the comments on TikTok where that video with the beep 597 00:26:09,984 --> 00:26:11,824 Speaker 1: is playing, everyone's like, get those lip readers and here 598 00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:13,904 Speaker 1: are because they beat it, but they don't take the 599 00:26:13,984 --> 00:26:17,464 Speaker 1: camera away. I have watched that video a few times now, 600 00:26:17,864 --> 00:26:19,744 Speaker 1: you think you got it? And I think she says 601 00:26:19,824 --> 00:26:23,464 Speaker 1: because it will upset Sydney. I think the way she 602 00:26:23,584 --> 00:26:25,264 Speaker 1: leans back and the way she moves she says something 603 00:26:25,304 --> 00:26:27,784 Speaker 1: it because it will upset And I think it's Sydney, 604 00:26:27,784 --> 00:26:28,504 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. 605 00:26:29,384 --> 00:26:33,664 Speaker 2: Interesting, so if it was true, like because of upset Sydney. 606 00:26:33,704 --> 00:26:36,704 Speaker 2: The whole thing is about Glen Pale not wanting his 607 00:26:36,784 --> 00:26:39,184 Speaker 2: girlfriend to come to Australia to visit because of all 608 00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:39,864 Speaker 2: upset Sydney. 609 00:26:39,944 --> 00:26:42,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, but just to give Sydney to me the benefit 610 00:26:42,384 --> 00:26:44,904 Speaker 1: of the doubt, because we don't know what happened. Does 611 00:26:44,944 --> 00:26:48,144 Speaker 1: that mean because it'll make her look It'll like they'll. 612 00:26:47,984 --> 00:26:49,224 Speaker 2: Take away the PR thing. 613 00:26:49,584 --> 00:26:51,784 Speaker 1: People will see it upset the PR plan that she's 614 00:26:51,824 --> 00:26:53,984 Speaker 1: set up. Will it make her look like the other 615 00:26:54,264 --> 00:26:56,824 Speaker 1: woman in a more intense way that Glen Powell's girlfriend 616 00:26:56,824 --> 00:27:00,304 Speaker 1: had to flight of Australia to break up their torret affair. 617 00:27:00,384 --> 00:27:01,904 Speaker 1: Like you just don't know how these things Again, I 618 00:27:01,944 --> 00:27:03,464 Speaker 1: think it's the first one. But I'm just giving her 619 00:27:03,464 --> 00:27:04,424 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. 620 00:27:04,584 --> 00:27:05,344 Speaker 2: I have a theory. 621 00:27:05,464 --> 00:27:06,104 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, tell me. 622 00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:11,904 Speaker 2: I think so Glen Pale did the school Tom Cruise. Yes, 623 00:27:12,304 --> 00:27:15,144 Speaker 2: I think this was part of his homework is to 624 00:27:15,144 --> 00:27:18,264 Speaker 2: break up with your current partner. Oh, I think this 625 00:27:18,344 --> 00:27:20,144 Speaker 2: has come from the Tom Cruise school. 626 00:27:20,264 --> 00:27:21,944 Speaker 1: If you don't know, that's not even a joke. Globe 627 00:27:21,944 --> 00:27:23,144 Speaker 1: Powell went to the Tom Cruise. 628 00:27:24,064 --> 00:27:26,344 Speaker 2: I should have said that that part was right. 629 00:27:26,464 --> 00:27:29,544 Speaker 1: That part Tom Cruise school of film is that you 630 00:27:29,544 --> 00:27:31,504 Speaker 1: go to Tom Cruise's house. I would go. I mean 631 00:27:31,504 --> 00:27:33,024 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't come out alive, but I would go. 632 00:27:34,384 --> 00:27:37,024 Speaker 1: And you watched all these movies that Tom Cruise has 633 00:27:37,024 --> 00:27:37,904 Speaker 1: selected for you. 634 00:27:38,344 --> 00:27:40,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think part of that movie, like one 635 00:27:40,584 --> 00:27:42,304 Speaker 2: of the movies would have been about how to break 636 00:27:42,384 --> 00:27:45,544 Speaker 2: up with your partner. Yeah, but he reminds me a 637 00:27:45,584 --> 00:27:48,744 Speaker 2: lot of what happened with Vanessa Hudgens and Austin Butler. 638 00:27:49,024 --> 00:27:49,384 Speaker 1: Yeah. 639 00:27:49,544 --> 00:27:51,664 Speaker 2: Like obviously there was no like big pr thing, but 640 00:27:51,744 --> 00:27:55,384 Speaker 2: I think if you're dating a celebrity that like gets 641 00:27:55,424 --> 00:27:58,984 Speaker 2: pushed into stardom, it will always end. It will always end, 642 00:27:58,984 --> 00:28:01,384 Speaker 2: And we've always heard stories about it ending, and this 643 00:28:01,544 --> 00:28:05,064 Speaker 2: is just another level. This is another level of not 644 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:07,864 Speaker 2: only did the relationship end, which is kind of what 645 00:28:07,904 --> 00:28:09,824 Speaker 2: we expected, which is why I wasn't talked about a 646 00:28:09,824 --> 00:28:12,224 Speaker 2: lot at the time. Yeah, yeah, but the level of 647 00:28:12,304 --> 00:28:15,704 Speaker 2: like your partner, not even like pushing down rumors that 648 00:28:15,784 --> 00:28:18,664 Speaker 2: they're cheating your partner, not even talking about you or 649 00:28:18,704 --> 00:28:21,704 Speaker 2: mentioning that you're still with them, your partner, just like 650 00:28:21,784 --> 00:28:24,144 Speaker 2: telling you this is what I have to do in 651 00:28:24,224 --> 00:28:27,224 Speaker 2: order to be famous. Essentially, that's pretty much what happened. Well, 652 00:28:27,224 --> 00:28:29,504 Speaker 2: that's what she says in this podcast interview. She says 653 00:28:29,504 --> 00:28:31,664 Speaker 2: that like all of a sudden, when Glenn Powell got 654 00:28:31,664 --> 00:28:34,064 Speaker 2: all these big movie roles, that he changed as a person. 655 00:28:34,384 --> 00:28:37,064 Speaker 2: And she says that he said to her, my career 656 00:28:37,104 --> 00:28:39,464 Speaker 2: comes first, and this is going to come first, and 657 00:28:39,464 --> 00:28:41,624 Speaker 2: this is what we have to do, and he said, 658 00:28:41,664 --> 00:28:43,464 Speaker 2: this is all I've wanted my whole life, was this 659 00:28:43,544 --> 00:28:46,144 Speaker 2: level of started. I'm not giving it up, and that 660 00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:47,624 Speaker 2: she had respect for that because she was like, at 661 00:28:47,664 --> 00:28:49,864 Speaker 2: least you're being honest. But it's so interesting. I actually 662 00:28:49,904 --> 00:28:52,024 Speaker 2: find the worst thing that whole podcast and this whole 663 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:54,984 Speaker 2: story is when she says the moment and that's where 664 00:28:55,024 --> 00:28:57,024 Speaker 2: I fell out of love with him, Because it's so 665 00:28:57,184 --> 00:28:59,464 Speaker 2: interesting that she's not in fearing that she fell out 666 00:28:59,464 --> 00:29:02,144 Speaker 2: of love with him when the cheating room has started, 667 00:29:02,464 --> 00:29:05,304 Speaker 2: or even if she found out they cheated, anything like that, 668 00:29:05,384 --> 00:29:06,984 Speaker 2: she fell out of love with him in the moment 669 00:29:07,024 --> 00:29:09,424 Speaker 2: that he wouldn't stand up for her. Yeah, it's almost 670 00:29:09,464 --> 00:29:12,504 Speaker 2: like it's literally she said, she literally said all he 671 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:16,224 Speaker 2: had to do was to say I'm not cheating. All 672 00:29:16,224 --> 00:29:16,904 Speaker 2: we had to do was. 673 00:29:16,904 --> 00:29:19,144 Speaker 1: Say I love my girlfriend, not even publicly, like in 674 00:29:19,184 --> 00:29:21,264 Speaker 1: that room. Because in the podcasting, and she says, like, 675 00:29:21,464 --> 00:29:23,024 Speaker 1: we were in the room with some of these people 676 00:29:23,064 --> 00:29:25,504 Speaker 1: sometimes these produces, these people, and they would say really 677 00:29:25,544 --> 00:29:27,904 Speaker 1: awful things to her. There's so much that she said 678 00:29:27,944 --> 00:29:29,704 Speaker 1: without saying like, I feel like there's so much more 679 00:29:29,744 --> 00:29:31,704 Speaker 1: to the story. But she she has gone very top 680 00:29:31,784 --> 00:29:34,064 Speaker 1: level with it. But she's saying like he wouldn't stand 681 00:29:34,144 --> 00:29:35,864 Speaker 1: up for me, and that would just be the most 682 00:29:35,904 --> 00:29:38,624 Speaker 1: like you would just get the biggest ick looking across 683 00:29:38,704 --> 00:29:40,424 Speaker 1: the room at this man, I don't want to sound 684 00:29:40,584 --> 00:29:43,304 Speaker 1: like I feel like you can sometimes just forgive cheating, 685 00:29:43,584 --> 00:29:46,064 Speaker 1: especially in this industry. Yeah, because what I always hear 686 00:29:46,064 --> 00:29:47,984 Speaker 1: from people like behind the scenes on movie sets and 687 00:29:47,984 --> 00:29:49,744 Speaker 1: people who work in pr and people who work in 688 00:29:49,984 --> 00:29:51,744 Speaker 1: you know, in all different countries and stuff, is that 689 00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:54,384 Speaker 1: like most of these people are sleeping with each other, 690 00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:56,984 Speaker 1: which I mean, I don't know, but I. 691 00:29:57,024 --> 00:29:59,504 Speaker 2: Mean they're all doing very intimate things on camera. 692 00:29:59,624 --> 00:30:01,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're all away for months and like, and 693 00:30:01,784 --> 00:30:03,664 Speaker 1: that's not just the actors, that's all the people involved 694 00:30:03,704 --> 00:30:05,224 Speaker 1: in the film and stuff, and so like maybe that's 695 00:30:05,224 --> 00:30:06,504 Speaker 1: just how it works. So I feel like, if you're 696 00:30:06,504 --> 00:30:08,864 Speaker 1: really in that world, you can maybe forgive it, like 697 00:30:08,904 --> 00:30:10,704 Speaker 1: a one night stand or a fling with a coaster, 698 00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:13,384 Speaker 1: because you're in love. But I think what she couldn't 699 00:30:13,384 --> 00:30:15,624 Speaker 1: forgive was him sitting in a room with all these 700 00:30:15,624 --> 00:30:17,984 Speaker 1: people and having them attack her and him not standing 701 00:30:18,064 --> 00:30:21,264 Speaker 1: up for her, either publicly or behind the scenes, like 702 00:30:21,304 --> 00:30:23,624 Speaker 1: it's wild. But also this has all come up again 703 00:30:23,664 --> 00:30:26,584 Speaker 1: recently because remember how Sidney Sweeney went to Glen Power's 704 00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:29,704 Speaker 1: sister's wedding and was photographed together, and she also worked 705 00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:31,144 Speaker 1: on the movie. So it's like it could just be 706 00:30:31,464 --> 00:30:34,024 Speaker 1: that they were all friends and things, and so she 707 00:30:34,024 --> 00:30:35,824 Speaker 1: says on the podcast, it was kind of hard seeing 708 00:30:35,824 --> 00:30:38,384 Speaker 1: it all bubble up again, but she almost hoped that 709 00:30:38,424 --> 00:30:40,904 Speaker 1: they were together just to make it all worth it. 710 00:30:41,144 --> 00:30:44,904 Speaker 1: Oh that's which I guess a lot of people have said, if, like, 711 00:30:44,984 --> 00:30:46,824 Speaker 1: you know, their partner breaks up with them because there's 712 00:30:46,824 --> 00:30:48,784 Speaker 1: like rumors and stuff, they're like, at least if they 713 00:30:48,784 --> 00:30:51,664 Speaker 1: get together, it's like you're justified or at least like 714 00:30:51,784 --> 00:30:54,064 Speaker 1: what you thought was true, Like you weren't being crazy, 715 00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:56,544 Speaker 1: it was true, they were trying to get together. So 716 00:30:56,624 --> 00:30:58,624 Speaker 1: here's the question to end on. After all of that, 717 00:30:59,304 --> 00:31:01,224 Speaker 1: all of that stuff that's come out, do you think 718 00:31:01,224 --> 00:31:03,104 Speaker 1: that Sidney Sweeney and Glen Power hooked up. 719 00:31:03,464 --> 00:31:05,744 Speaker 2: I still don't think they hooked up. I don't think 720 00:31:05,784 --> 00:31:09,184 Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney would have done it. I think she's too smart. 721 00:31:08,904 --> 00:31:09,544 Speaker 1: That's what I think. 722 00:31:09,624 --> 00:31:12,864 Speaker 2: Maybe after that broke up, yes, maybe like around the 723 00:31:12,864 --> 00:31:16,144 Speaker 2: wedding time. But I actually think that whole thing was 724 00:31:16,184 --> 00:31:19,984 Speaker 2: still pr and he just didn't have the guts to 725 00:31:20,304 --> 00:31:21,864 Speaker 2: say I love my girlfriend. 726 00:31:22,184 --> 00:31:25,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. So weak men, weak men. 727 00:31:25,184 --> 00:31:25,664 Speaker 2: The one thing. 728 00:31:25,784 --> 00:31:28,504 Speaker 1: I'll take a cheater over a week man any day. 729 00:31:29,024 --> 00:31:31,024 Speaker 2: I don't want to either, but okay, and we need 730 00:31:31,024 --> 00:31:33,144 Speaker 2: to end this Tom Cruise school. Nothing good comes out 731 00:31:33,144 --> 00:31:33,304 Speaker 2: of it. 732 00:31:33,384 --> 00:31:35,024 Speaker 1: Can kind of say. As far as I know, Tom 733 00:31:35,064 --> 00:31:37,464 Speaker 1: Cruise is he fakes relationships for other reasons, I think, 734 00:31:37,504 --> 00:31:40,544 Speaker 1: but he doesn't fake relationships for movies, Like that's never 735 00:31:40,584 --> 00:31:43,504 Speaker 1: been his thing. He never does that. Pr Smith. He's 736 00:31:43,584 --> 00:31:45,424 Speaker 1: just like, come and see me jump off a cliff 737 00:31:45,464 --> 00:31:48,864 Speaker 1: and nearly die because I'm Tom Cruise. Like that's so 738 00:31:48,984 --> 00:31:51,344 Speaker 1: I think this side thing that that I actually think 739 00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:54,024 Speaker 1: that Tom Cruise we really disappointed in Glen Power because 740 00:31:54,064 --> 00:31:56,704 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is like it's about the movie experience for 741 00:31:56,744 --> 00:31:59,984 Speaker 1: the people, like he doesn't do salicious throm might. 742 00:31:59,944 --> 00:32:03,304 Speaker 2: Lose his certificates graduating graduation certificate. 743 00:32:03,704 --> 00:32:05,904 Speaker 1: Can I say I at the time, I never thought 744 00:32:05,904 --> 00:32:08,584 Speaker 1: they slept together because the thing about going and you 745 00:32:08,624 --> 00:32:11,904 Speaker 1: do now maybe because I think about Glen Palin Sidney Sweeney, 746 00:32:12,024 --> 00:32:14,344 Speaker 1: both in that movie and on the Red Carpet, like 747 00:32:14,584 --> 00:32:19,824 Speaker 1: zero chemistry, so staged but actual zero sexual chemistry between them. 748 00:32:19,984 --> 00:32:22,304 Speaker 1: They looked like brother and sister. They do, you know? 749 00:32:22,864 --> 00:32:24,024 Speaker 1: They acted like brother and. 750 00:32:23,944 --> 00:32:27,904 Speaker 2: Sisters, and paparazzi photos came out of the sister's wedding 751 00:32:28,104 --> 00:32:30,064 Speaker 2: there listening around the table. It took me a while 752 00:32:30,104 --> 00:32:33,224 Speaker 2: to figure out these Sydney Soon, which his cousiner is 753 00:32:33,224 --> 00:32:36,304 Speaker 2: Sisterically it was so overtly. 754 00:32:35,784 --> 00:32:38,584 Speaker 1: A PR stunt because I think the watch out is 755 00:32:38,584 --> 00:32:41,064 Speaker 1: when you see two people who play love interest in 756 00:32:41,104 --> 00:32:43,824 Speaker 1: a movie being a bit awkward and standing away from 757 00:32:43,864 --> 00:32:46,384 Speaker 1: each other, and like what because like they have slept together, 758 00:32:46,704 --> 00:32:48,984 Speaker 1: whereas these two were so full in on it. It 759 00:32:49,064 --> 00:32:51,784 Speaker 1: just felt so PR. But now I don't know, because 760 00:32:51,904 --> 00:32:53,824 Speaker 1: now I'm hearing from people who were like on the 761 00:32:53,904 --> 00:32:57,504 Speaker 1: set that they did hook up allegedly rumors. I have 762 00:32:57,544 --> 00:33:01,144 Speaker 1: no idea, but also gig herself says in this podcast, 763 00:33:01,264 --> 00:33:05,184 Speaker 1: just me covering myself. Gg herself says, when she's asked, 764 00:33:05,184 --> 00:33:07,344 Speaker 1: do you think they hooked up, She's like, I honestly 765 00:33:07,384 --> 00:33:10,264 Speaker 1: don't know. I've heard different stories. So people from that 766 00:33:10,424 --> 00:33:12,384 Speaker 1: set have told her different stories. Some people have told 767 00:33:12,384 --> 00:33:14,064 Speaker 1: her yes, they hooked up, some people have said no, 768 00:33:14,344 --> 00:33:15,384 Speaker 1: So she doesn't even know. 769 00:33:15,584 --> 00:33:16,984 Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever know? I want her to 770 00:33:17,024 --> 00:33:18,784 Speaker 2: write a massive essay on this. 771 00:33:19,224 --> 00:33:21,984 Speaker 1: So much stuff around, like them telling her not to 772 00:33:22,064 --> 00:33:24,344 Speaker 1: come to the set, and like what was happening and 773 00:33:24,384 --> 00:33:27,064 Speaker 1: which producers said no, what they've bleeped up. She also 774 00:33:27,144 --> 00:33:29,744 Speaker 1: says that she flew to Australia to look Glenn Powe 775 00:33:29,784 --> 00:33:30,904 Speaker 1: and the Iron break up with him. 776 00:33:31,504 --> 00:33:33,024 Speaker 2: That's a long flight exactly. 777 00:33:33,024 --> 00:33:35,224 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would be so just imagine you 778 00:33:35,224 --> 00:33:39,144 Speaker 1: see her flight like the TV's off, nothing's on you, 779 00:33:38,704 --> 00:33:42,864 Speaker 1: fourteen hours from LA to Sydney. Just be like, look 780 00:33:42,904 --> 00:33:46,504 Speaker 1: that man's face and say, you're so weak. I love 781 00:33:46,504 --> 00:33:48,584 Speaker 1: how become so attached to this woman that I literally 782 00:33:48,584 --> 00:33:51,904 Speaker 1: have not read anything for anything. I'll die for this orbit. 783 00:33:53,424 --> 00:33:56,024 Speaker 1: We'll link the full podcast Yeah, there's actually so much 784 00:33:56,064 --> 00:33:57,784 Speaker 1: a dream and get to that. She said, there's so much. 785 00:33:57,824 --> 00:34:00,464 Speaker 1: She said, it's really interesting. We don't know what happened, 786 00:34:00,584 --> 00:34:03,224 Speaker 1: but you know what. Also, Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney 787 00:34:03,264 --> 00:34:05,704 Speaker 1: both fine, Like this isn't going to touch them. They're 788 00:34:05,704 --> 00:34:08,184 Speaker 1: both fine. They've got new releases coming out, Sidney Sweeney 789 00:34:08,224 --> 00:34:09,104 Speaker 1: at the top of the World. 790 00:34:09,224 --> 00:34:10,184 Speaker 2: They're still super hot. 791 00:34:10,424 --> 00:34:12,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're super hot. Hot people get away with everything. 792 00:34:12,584 --> 00:34:14,264 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I think this is a whole 793 00:34:14,264 --> 00:34:17,304 Speaker 1: thing about like not giving any leeway to a week 794 00:34:17,384 --> 00:34:18,784 Speaker 1: man that's going to take away from this. 795 00:34:19,504 --> 00:34:22,064 Speaker 2: I love that. Thank you so much for listening to 796 00:34:22,104 --> 00:34:24,264 Speaker 2: The Spill today. Do not forget to follow us on 797 00:34:24,344 --> 00:34:27,224 Speaker 2: TikTok at The Spill podcast. The Spill is produced by 798 00:34:27,224 --> 00:34:30,064 Speaker 2: Militia Swaren, with sound production by Scott Stronik. 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