WEBVTT - Outfit Formulas For Any Age 0:00:10.745 --> 0:00:15.265 You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 0:00:15.345 --> 0:00:18.385 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:18.465 --> 0:00:19.265 is recorded on. 0:00:21.105 --> 0:00:24.545 Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed. 0:00:24.105 --> 0:00:28.105 Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to 0:00:28.185 --> 0:00:28.545 do it. 0:00:28.585 --> 0:00:29.825 You live for fashion. 0:00:30.665 --> 0:00:33.665 Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 0:00:33.745 --> 0:00:37.825 solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 0:00:37.865 --> 0:00:40.665 and every week I talk to an expert who helps 0:00:40.705 --> 0:00:42.425 us work out how to get more out of the 0:00:42.465 --> 0:00:45.785 clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is 0:00:45.905 --> 0:00:50.025 and what isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. How often 0:00:50.025 --> 0:00:52.465 have you seen an outfit in the window of a store, 0:00:52.825 --> 0:00:55.825 loved it, but then you've thought, ah, I can't wear that. 0:00:56.545 --> 0:00:58.545 It turns out a lot of women decide that they 0:00:58.625 --> 0:01:01.625 have quote unquote aged out of a store or a 0:01:01.665 --> 0:01:04.905 style and assume they can't wear certain trends because of 0:01:04.945 --> 0:01:07.865 how old they are. This episode is going to go 0:01:08.025 --> 0:01:11.265 against that belief because it's all in our heads. You 0:01:11.345 --> 0:01:13.625 haven't aged out of an item, You just need to 0:01:13.665 --> 0:01:17.945 style it for your personal style. Now joining me today 0:01:18.025 --> 0:01:21.745 is stylist Sally McKinnon. She believes in ageless dressing and 0:01:21.785 --> 0:01:24.345 between the two of us, we have the perfect formula 0:01:24.425 --> 0:01:28.705 that lets you feel stylish at any age. Sally, Welcome 0:01:28.745 --> 0:01:33.145 to the show. I requested your presence on this podcast, 0:01:33.425 --> 0:01:34.865 so I'm so excited to have you. 0:01:35.225 --> 0:01:38.105 Very pleased to be Herely, let's get started. 0:01:37.745 --> 0:01:40.985 With the questions I ask everyone, can you describe your 0:01:41.065 --> 0:01:42.465 style in three words? 0:01:43.025 --> 0:01:45.945 Do you know? This is such a hard question for 0:01:46.065 --> 0:01:48.865 me to answer. I have given this a lot of 0:01:48.905 --> 0:01:51.785 thought over quite some time, not just in preparation for 0:01:51.865 --> 0:01:54.825 today's podcast, because I really am a bit of a 0:01:54.865 --> 0:01:59.705 style chameleon. My style can literally change day to day, 0:01:59.745 --> 0:02:04.585 week to week. However, I would say my style is modern, 0:02:04.985 --> 0:02:08.545 curated and it's elevated. 0:02:08.425 --> 0:02:10.745 Loving following. You could not agree more. And I think 0:02:10.825 --> 0:02:12.945 chameleon could be a word in of itself, you know, 0:02:13.025 --> 0:02:14.985 it's it shows that you're a bit eclectic. 0:02:15.105 --> 0:02:17.905 And a few people have used the word eclectic to 0:02:18.025 --> 0:02:20.345 describe my style, and I never would have used that 0:02:20.425 --> 0:02:22.745 word because I always associate it with someone a little 0:02:22.745 --> 0:02:23.705 bit crazy. 0:02:23.465 --> 0:02:25.625 Yeah me too, or like thrown together but not in 0:02:25.665 --> 0:02:28.945 a good way. Yes, yeah no, But chameleon is an 0:02:28.985 --> 0:02:32.185 excellent one, and I love those words. Now. The fashion 0:02:32.345 --> 0:02:36.465 theory is, we have a wardrobe full of clothes. Ninety 0:02:36.465 --> 0:02:38.905 percent of the stuff we've worn a bit, sure, you know, 0:02:38.945 --> 0:02:41.345 on occasion, but there's a ten percent that we just 0:02:41.465 --> 0:02:45.025 wear over and over again, our trusty favorites. What's in 0:02:45.065 --> 0:02:45.865 your ten percent? 0:02:46.145 --> 0:02:51.345 My ten percent, without a doubt, would have to be Blazers, jeans, 0:02:52.225 --> 0:02:55.785 and the last one probably if I was saying right now, 0:02:55.945 --> 0:02:59.465 I'm loving a ballet flat, like a modern ballet flat, 0:02:59.905 --> 0:03:02.105 but maybe a couple of months ago, they would be 0:03:02.265 --> 0:03:06.265 very on par with a pointed kitten heel. So I 0:03:06.345 --> 0:03:09.225 love a kitten heel. So those three pieces, the Blazers, 0:03:09.745 --> 0:03:12.505 the interesting genes, the kitten heels are kind of my 0:03:12.665 --> 0:03:16.185 signature style, and definitely that ten percent of the wardrobe 0:03:16.225 --> 0:03:16.905 that I wear. 0:03:16.985 --> 0:03:19.505 Today, we're doing things a little bit differently. We got 0:03:19.505 --> 0:03:22.985 a dressing room dilemma from a listener. I am trying 0:03:23.025 --> 0:03:25.345 on a bunch of outfits and I just don't know 0:03:25.425 --> 0:03:27.945 if they are right for my age or if I'm 0:03:28.025 --> 0:03:31.065 trying to be young again. I am in my late 0:03:31.185 --> 0:03:34.785 forties and feel like I'm having an identity crisis. How 0:03:34.825 --> 0:03:37.785 do I know what's right for me, so Sally, as 0:03:37.785 --> 0:03:39.545 a starist, I'm sure this comes up a lot when 0:03:39.585 --> 0:03:41.345 you're working with clients, or I wonder if it does. 0:03:42.105 --> 0:03:44.625 What do you think of that question? And the age 0:03:44.665 --> 0:03:48.385 part particularly I find really interesting. So is this a 0:03:48.425 --> 0:03:50.105 common thread you see with clients? 0:03:50.625 --> 0:03:56.465 This is so commonly, It's very common amongst women of 0:03:56.705 --> 0:03:59.505 a certain kind of age demographic. And we find that 0:03:59.545 --> 0:04:01.825 as women kind of go throughout life and go from 0:04:01.825 --> 0:04:05.065 decade to decade, so even from their twenties to thirties, 0:04:05.065 --> 0:04:09.025 thirties to forties, forties to fifties, they do have this 0:04:09.425 --> 0:04:15.545 identity crisis. It's particularly common for new mums. So perhaps 0:04:15.585 --> 0:04:18.865 this particular listener is someone who might have a young 0:04:18.945 --> 0:04:22.865 family and all of a sudden her lifestyle has changed considerably. 0:04:23.425 --> 0:04:27.065 What she used to wear doesn't apply to her current lifestyle. 0:04:27.625 --> 0:04:29.865 But also I think the older we get, the more 0:04:29.905 --> 0:04:32.665 we start to question, which was kind of her concern, 0:04:33.465 --> 0:04:37.185 well how do I dress and how am I supposed 0:04:37.225 --> 0:04:39.945 to look? And so I think that's where the dilemma 0:04:40.385 --> 0:04:44.385 comes in. And it's a reasonable dilemma because we are 0:04:44.625 --> 0:04:49.265 constantly bombarded as women with so much in terms of 0:04:49.465 --> 0:04:54.025 fashion and trends. Add in social media, it is highly 0:04:54.065 --> 0:04:57.345 highly confusion. So this is a really, really common dilemma. 0:04:57.425 --> 0:04:59.825 So I would say to this listener, you're not the 0:04:59.825 --> 0:05:05.385 only one. It's really common, and try not to stress 0:05:05.425 --> 0:05:06.585 too much about it. 0:05:06.945 --> 0:05:08.985 I think maybe she's overthinking it, but I agree it's 0:05:08.985 --> 0:05:11.225 a common thing. Because I was actually shopping with a 0:05:11.225 --> 0:05:13.305 girlfriend on Sunday and I saw something in the window 0:05:13.305 --> 0:05:14.785 of a store and she goes, we can't go in there, 0:05:14.785 --> 0:05:18.545 we're too old, and I thought, oh, that's interesting. I 0:05:18.625 --> 0:05:22.385 myself have felt that through periods, particularly postpartum. This lovely 0:05:22.465 --> 0:05:24.985 lady is saying, I'm trying on a bunch of outfits 0:05:25.025 --> 0:05:27.585 and I don't know if they are right for my age. 0:05:27.625 --> 0:05:31.185 So do you think it's that everyone on social media 0:05:31.225 --> 0:05:33.985 and this is a generalization is twenty one? Do you 0:05:34.065 --> 0:05:35.305 think it's marketing? 0:05:36.145 --> 0:05:38.465 To be honestly, I think it's all of those things. 0:05:38.505 --> 0:05:41.545 And I think one of the problems with the fashion world, 0:05:41.585 --> 0:05:44.465 and this is worldwide, is that there's a real disconnect 0:05:44.505 --> 0:05:49.345 between who the actual consumer is and the images that 0:05:49.465 --> 0:05:52.665 as a consumer we see on their websites, on their 0:05:52.665 --> 0:05:56.225 social media pages. So I don't know where this particular 0:05:56.265 --> 0:05:59.345 woman was shopping but I can guarantee she was drawn 0:05:59.385 --> 0:06:03.745 towards something that she really loved the look of. She 0:06:03.865 --> 0:06:06.025 probably put it on her body and looked in the 0:06:06.025 --> 0:06:09.945 mirror and then started to question is this appropriate for 0:06:10.065 --> 0:06:14.385 my age? And I guess if I was there with 0:06:14.425 --> 0:06:17.425 her in the chained room, I would then ask her, well, 0:06:17.465 --> 0:06:20.785 how do you plan to wear it? You know, because 0:06:20.785 --> 0:06:24.465 it's not just about a single item, it's about the 0:06:24.505 --> 0:06:27.785 head to toe styling. And I think that is what 0:06:27.825 --> 0:06:31.345 differentiates someone maybe in their twenties to someone in their 0:06:31.345 --> 0:06:34.425 forties or fifties or sixties. That you might have exactly 0:06:34.425 --> 0:06:37.825 the same item, but you will wear it differently to 0:06:37.985 --> 0:06:41.825 suit you, not necessarily suit your age, but to suit 0:06:41.865 --> 0:06:43.345 your personal style. 0:06:43.625 --> 0:06:46.105 That's why I prefer Pinterest, because I take screenshots and 0:06:46.145 --> 0:06:47.945 then I cut the person's head off in my camera 0:06:48.025 --> 0:06:49.905 roll because I don't want to know anything about them. 0:06:49.905 --> 0:06:51.625 I just want to be inspired by the outfit. 0:06:52.025 --> 0:06:54.785 Yeah, and quite assion brands are doing that now on 0:06:54.865 --> 0:06:58.545 their e comm you just kind of see a mouth down, 0:06:58.665 --> 0:07:01.545 so they're trying to disassociate the model. 0:07:01.865 --> 0:07:04.545 Yeah, clothing Sally, Let's say we're going to help this 0:07:04.585 --> 0:07:09.225 lovely lady. We want her to find her ageless fashion style. 0:07:09.785 --> 0:07:11.905 Do you think ageless fashion is. 0:07:13.745 --> 0:07:17.185 It's such an interesting and obviously a very hot topic, 0:07:17.265 --> 0:07:20.665 and I'm a big advocate for ageless style, and I 0:07:20.665 --> 0:07:24.545 guess essentially what I think that means is ageless style 0:07:24.665 --> 0:07:29.585 is really wearing whatever you want and wearing whatever makes 0:07:29.625 --> 0:07:34.145 you feel good, regardless of your age. So thinking beyond 0:07:34.265 --> 0:07:38.145 all those stereotypes, all those silly sayings like mutton dressed 0:07:38.185 --> 0:07:43.065 up as lamb, and wearing whatever makes you feel the 0:07:43.105 --> 0:07:46.465 best version of yourself, whatever that might be, whatever your 0:07:46.465 --> 0:07:48.785 personal style is. And I think at the end of 0:07:48.825 --> 0:07:52.705 the day, as we get older, we definitely do learn 0:07:52.785 --> 0:07:54.865 to trust our instincts a lot more when it comes 0:07:54.865 --> 0:07:57.745 to personal style, and we tend to get better at 0:07:57.745 --> 0:08:00.585 shutting out the noise. But I still think for a 0:08:00.585 --> 0:08:02.625 lot of women it is very, very hard, because of 0:08:02.665 --> 0:08:06.345 all those factors we've already talked about to trust their 0:08:06.465 --> 0:08:10.945 instincts and were what they genuinely feel best in. 0:08:11.345 --> 0:08:13.425 That's it. I could not agree more. I mean, I'm 0:08:13.465 --> 0:08:16.985 now forty two and I only started wearing miniskirts and 0:08:17.145 --> 0:08:20.425 shorter things in my forties because my legs aren't my 0:08:20.505 --> 0:08:22.185 best part of my body. Do I hate them. No, 0:08:22.305 --> 0:08:23.105 do I think about them? 0:08:23.145 --> 0:08:23.225 No? 0:08:23.305 --> 0:08:26.265 But I told myself, oh, I can't show my legs. 0:08:26.665 --> 0:08:28.225 And then I got into my forties, I was like, 0:08:28.465 --> 0:08:30.585 who cares, No, one's looking at my legs. I like 0:08:30.625 --> 0:08:33.585 the dress. I feel great. And so that came with age. 0:08:33.625 --> 0:08:36.225 But it's funny because oftentimes, as we're saying it might 0:08:36.265 --> 0:08:37.785 be the other other way around. You might have had 0:08:37.785 --> 0:08:40.785 confidence before and then you think, ooh, am I too 0:08:40.825 --> 0:08:43.185 old Now I'm a mum. Whatever that may be. So 0:08:43.225 --> 0:08:44.705 we go through phases, don't we. 0:08:45.025 --> 0:08:47.105 Yeah. And I think also maybe Lee, you know, I 0:08:47.145 --> 0:08:49.705 think about the way that you're wearing that mini skirt 0:08:49.745 --> 0:08:53.185 in your forties. Yes, it's probably very different to how 0:08:53.225 --> 0:08:56.025 you would have worn that miniskirt in your twenty Totally. 0:08:56.145 --> 0:08:58.545 This is a kitten heel or a sandal. I mean, 0:08:58.585 --> 0:09:00.545 I would not go near high stiletto. 0:09:00.865 --> 0:09:03.585 Yep. You're probably not wearing it with a little crop top. 0:09:03.745 --> 0:09:06.105 No, And that's it. And it's just because I like 0:09:06.145 --> 0:09:10.265 comfort because I'm tired. Ye. So do you think are 0:09:10.265 --> 0:09:13.585 any similarities between what the sixteen year olds are wearing 0:09:13.625 --> 0:09:16.905 today versus the trends of say you and I? 0:09:16.905 --> 0:09:19.545 I think the thing is that right now, in twenty 0:09:19.705 --> 0:09:24.745 twenty four, we've never had so much at our disposal 0:09:24.825 --> 0:09:29.105 in terms of choice and availability, whether it be online, 0:09:29.505 --> 0:09:32.705 and we also, I feel like there's never been less 0:09:32.745 --> 0:09:36.025 almost differentiation between what the eighteen year olds and the 0:09:36.065 --> 0:09:39.185 fifty eight year olds are wearing. Yes, I agree, so 0:09:39.745 --> 0:09:42.745 gone all the days when you know, teenagers dressed a 0:09:42.745 --> 0:09:45.865 certain way and their mother's dressed another way. There's definitely 0:09:45.945 --> 0:09:50.025 a lot more crossover between what's in a store in 0:09:50.065 --> 0:09:53.945 say somewhere that cater's for a teenage girl and somewhere 0:09:53.945 --> 0:09:56.865 that cater's towards a fifty plus year old woman. Whether 0:09:56.905 --> 0:10:00.425 it's a sneakers, you know, everyone's wearing sneakers. The youngsters 0:10:00.465 --> 0:10:04.665 will be wearing that same sneaker with their visible socks, 0:10:04.745 --> 0:10:08.425 whereas a different generation. So it's just those little tweaks. 0:10:08.465 --> 0:10:12.985 But honestly, there is very little difference between how the 0:10:13.065 --> 0:10:17.905 generations are dressing. But each generation or each individual will 0:10:17.945 --> 0:10:19.905 wear something in their own unique way. 0:10:20.065 --> 0:10:22.265 Yeah, I agree. My mum's Nelly eighty, and every time 0:10:22.265 --> 0:10:24.185 I pop out to her place, I go, oh, whoops, 0:10:24.185 --> 0:10:26.225 I took those seed jeans home just to borrow. 0:10:26.465 --> 0:10:28.105 You know, absolutely she's. 0:10:27.985 --> 0:10:30.185 Nailing ageless dressing. And when I take her shop and 0:10:30.225 --> 0:10:31.905 she goes, oh, I'm not going into that store. That's 0:10:31.945 --> 0:10:33.865 an old lady's store, and I think I want to 0:10:33.865 --> 0:10:34.985 be exactly like that. 0:10:35.425 --> 0:10:38.145 Yeah, And it's interesting that same kind of sentiment we 0:10:38.265 --> 0:10:40.225 see that all the time with our clients is that 0:10:40.265 --> 0:10:43.665 we will take older clients into younger stores. You know 0:10:44.025 --> 0:10:48.305 what's perceived younger stores, and vice versa, our younger clients 0:10:48.385 --> 0:10:51.545 into somewhere that they perceive as being, oh, that's an 0:10:51.585 --> 0:10:54.865 older lady store. Because it's about the item that you're 0:10:54.905 --> 0:10:56.745 going to choose for them and then how they're going 0:10:56.745 --> 0:11:00.865 to style it. So those preconceived notions about brands are 0:11:00.905 --> 0:11:03.025 even kind of disappearing. I think. 0:11:14.545 --> 0:11:17.065 I'm totally ageless and I love fashion, but I have felt, 0:11:17.185 --> 0:11:20.105 let's say a little bit mature seeing all the two 0:11:20.145 --> 0:11:23.025 thousands trends coming back, even some of the nineties trends, 0:11:23.025 --> 0:11:25.465 because you know, I was there the first time. Is 0:11:25.505 --> 0:11:28.505 it that fashion and trends are cyclical and it's just 0:11:28.585 --> 0:11:30.505 that it kind of goes on to the next generation. 0:11:31.105 --> 0:11:34.625 Absolutely, they do. Yeah, you look at all the big 0:11:34.665 --> 0:11:37.465 baggie jeans and the sneakers and the little crop top. 0:11:37.705 --> 0:11:39.865 I'm ten years older than you, Lee, so that just 0:11:39.945 --> 0:11:46.345 reminds me of my favorite girl band at the time, TLC. Yes, 0:11:46.585 --> 0:11:48.985 but again, you know, you can look at like I'm 0:11:49.105 --> 0:11:52.465 loving a baggie kind of slightly or won't say low rise, 0:11:52.585 --> 0:11:55.545 but just slightly lower on my hips. Yeah, wide leg 0:11:55.705 --> 0:11:59.105 to the floor. But I will then elevate it using 0:11:59.145 --> 0:12:01.185 one of my words, and rather than wear it with 0:12:01.265 --> 0:12:04.825 a sneaker, I'll wear it with a ballet flat or 0:12:04.865 --> 0:12:09.025 a pointed pump and a blazer. So I'm still taking 0:12:09.065 --> 0:12:11.905 whatever that trend is or you know, the cycle that's 0:12:11.905 --> 0:12:15.465 come back through, but I'm styling it very differently to 0:12:15.585 --> 0:12:16.905 the young women in their twenties. 0:12:17.065 --> 0:12:20.025 Yeah. Same, and they're probably thinking, oh, this trend's so 0:12:20.145 --> 0:12:21.865 cool and new, and we're like, oh, we did that 0:12:21.905 --> 0:12:24.745 the first time. I know. So do you think can 0:12:24.865 --> 0:12:28.985 women in their forties and fifties confidently wear the same 0:12:29.025 --> 0:12:32.545 outfits as their daughters. I know Mia swaps clothes with 0:12:32.585 --> 0:12:34.985 her daughter all the time. What do you think about this. 0:12:35.305 --> 0:12:37.225 I don't wear my whole mum's outfit, but I wear 0:12:37.225 --> 0:12:39.465 a lot of my mum's clothes and hers she wears 0:12:39.465 --> 0:12:40.025 a lot of mine. 0:12:40.345 --> 0:12:42.385 That kind of comes back to what we talked about, 0:12:42.465 --> 0:12:47.345 how really the difference between how the generations currently dress 0:12:47.625 --> 0:12:51.305 isn't really perhaps as different as it used to be, 0:12:51.385 --> 0:12:53.185 And that probably also has something to do with the 0:12:53.185 --> 0:12:56.065 fact that we are actually here talking about ageless style. 0:12:56.665 --> 0:12:59.545 You no, I'm sure you've probably seen memes or you know, 0:12:59.625 --> 0:13:02.185 videos about the Golden Girls back in the day, you know, 0:13:02.665 --> 0:13:05.265 who were actually only supposed to be in their mid forties. 0:13:05.305 --> 0:13:08.305 I know, the way a fifty year old woman, I mean, 0:13:08.345 --> 0:13:12.345 I'm fifty two think i'm younger all the time, and 0:13:12.705 --> 0:13:14.985 you know, a fifty two your old woman today or 0:13:14.985 --> 0:13:16.985 a sixty two or a seventy two year old woman. 0:13:17.025 --> 0:13:19.545 It's not the same as how we kind of pictured 0:13:19.585 --> 0:13:22.585 that same age group all those years ago. So there's 0:13:22.665 --> 0:13:26.625 definitely lots of crossover. And yes, I know Mia often 0:13:26.985 --> 0:13:30.185 swaps clothes or wears her daughter's clothes or vice versa, 0:13:30.225 --> 0:13:32.425 but again, I'm sure she just wears them a little 0:13:32.465 --> 0:13:33.145 bit differently. 0:13:33.705 --> 0:13:36.665 So, Sally, let's say you're helping this client in real life. 0:13:36.985 --> 0:13:39.425 What advice are you giving her or what steps are 0:13:39.425 --> 0:13:41.385 you taking or where are you going? What are you 0:13:41.585 --> 0:13:45.705 doing to help her feel less daunted or worried about 0:13:46.025 --> 0:13:48.425 dressing quote unquote age appropriately. 0:13:49.105 --> 0:13:51.505 So first of all, it's really important to find out 0:13:51.585 --> 0:13:55.505 what the actual day to day needs are of the client. 0:13:55.705 --> 0:13:58.625 So what does their lifestyle look like. Are they working? 0:13:58.665 --> 0:14:00.985 Are they working from home? Are they in an office? 0:14:01.185 --> 0:14:03.985 Are they in a corporate environment or a more casual environment. 0:14:04.025 --> 0:14:07.345 Are they stay at home mum looking after kids? What 0:14:07.385 --> 0:14:10.305 does their social life look like? And then you start 0:14:10.345 --> 0:14:13.145 to think about, well, what clothes are actually going to 0:14:13.225 --> 0:14:16.825 serve your life purpose, what clothing is going to be 0:14:16.905 --> 0:14:20.145 functional for you every day? And I think what's happened 0:14:20.225 --> 0:14:22.945 post pandemic? Is it because the workplace has become a 0:14:22.945 --> 0:14:25.825 lot more casual. That's a really great thing for a 0:14:25.825 --> 0:14:28.505 lot of people's budgets. So we're finding now rather than 0:14:28.905 --> 0:14:32.065 shopping with clients to get a separate work wardrobe and 0:14:32.105 --> 0:14:35.585 a separate weekend wardrobe, there's a lot more overlap emerging 0:14:36.625 --> 0:14:39.945 educating the client and showing them through their clothing, how 0:14:40.105 --> 0:14:44.105 they can put together a look that suits their everyday needs, 0:14:44.105 --> 0:14:46.745 how they can dress something up, dress something down, how 0:14:46.745 --> 0:14:50.345 they can elevate it, and how they can wear their 0:14:50.345 --> 0:14:54.985 clothes in a way that makes them feel fantastic for 0:14:55.105 --> 0:14:58.065 whatever their day to day purpose, whether that is. And 0:14:58.105 --> 0:15:00.865 you'd be amazed how many women say this. They just 0:15:00.905 --> 0:15:03.305 want to look good when they pick the kids up 0:15:03.345 --> 0:15:05.665 from school. They don't want to be in their leggings, 0:15:05.785 --> 0:15:08.385 but they want to just look like they've made an effort. 0:15:08.665 --> 0:15:10.465 Sometimes it's just a as that. 0:15:10.745 --> 0:15:12.545 Yeah, it is. So many of us are busy. We 0:15:12.665 --> 0:15:15.265 don't go on the Oscars red carpet. We're running around 0:15:15.265 --> 0:15:17.665 doing chores and working kids. But we just want that 0:15:17.705 --> 0:15:21.105 little bit of elevation comfort. But then like, oh that's 0:15:21.225 --> 0:15:23.465 quite cool. Like it's hard to find, but it looks 0:15:23.585 --> 0:15:24.385 very effortless. 0:15:24.865 --> 0:15:27.825 Yeah, when you do learn to listen to your gut 0:15:27.865 --> 0:15:30.985 and trust your instinct, whether you're shopping or putting together 0:15:30.985 --> 0:15:34.025 an outfit from your wardrobe, you know, look in the mirror, 0:15:34.345 --> 0:15:38.105 take a photo, and if it feels right, regardless of 0:15:38.105 --> 0:15:40.465 what anyone else says, it's probably right. 0:15:41.385 --> 0:15:44.945 I wanted to ask you about fabrics. So this is 0:15:44.985 --> 0:15:47.625 something that I've probably changed the most since i've aged, 0:15:47.705 --> 0:15:49.705 If you don't mind me asking about fabrics, because I 0:15:49.745 --> 0:15:52.345 feel like I've always had a similar style, but I 0:15:52.505 --> 0:15:55.545 was just not maybe I wasn't as busy, there wasn't 0:15:55.545 --> 0:15:58.185 as much wear and tear. So do you think as 0:15:58.225 --> 0:16:01.185 we age, little tweaks into the types of fabrics that 0:16:01.185 --> 0:16:04.025 we look for, how we care for our garments can change, 0:16:04.225 --> 0:16:05.105 If that makes sense. 0:16:05.545 --> 0:16:07.345 That's really interesting because I used. 0:16:07.225 --> 0:16:09.265 To think, oh, white T shirt's a white T shirt whatever, 0:16:09.345 --> 0:16:11.225 But now I'm like, Oh, it's one hundred percent cotton, 0:16:11.265 --> 0:16:13.665 it's breathable, I know how to launder it. 0:16:14.345 --> 0:16:18.865 Yeah. Well, definitely, natural fibers are going to feel more comfortable. 0:16:18.865 --> 0:16:21.585 They're more breathable. So I guess if we are talking 0:16:21.625 --> 0:16:24.625 about women of a certain age and going through a 0:16:24.625 --> 0:16:27.385 certain time in life and maybe having hot flushes and 0:16:27.425 --> 0:16:31.345 you know, regulating different body temperatures than obviously natural fibers 0:16:31.385 --> 0:16:34.385 are going to be better. So, whether that's cotton, linens 0:16:34.385 --> 0:16:36.505 and silks and things like that. But I'm also a 0:16:36.505 --> 0:16:40.345 big believer, just anyway, Lee, that when you're buying clothes, 0:16:40.945 --> 0:16:44.985 the way a fabric looks and falls and drapes on 0:16:45.025 --> 0:16:48.665 your body is actually really key. And you can buy 0:16:48.705 --> 0:16:51.305 something very inexpensive, and I know that's going to be 0:16:51.385 --> 0:16:54.145 something we'll talk about in a minute, But when it's 0:16:54.185 --> 0:16:57.425 a good cotton or a good linen or a blend 0:16:57.465 --> 0:17:00.105 of the two, or a bit of a synthetic. I 0:17:00.105 --> 0:17:03.905 can tell you now, if that item of clothing looks 0:17:03.985 --> 0:17:06.025 great on your body, then it will look a lot 0:17:06.065 --> 0:17:09.145 more expensive than it actually is. And I've also got 0:17:09.145 --> 0:17:12.545 another little very with clients who do need to shop 0:17:12.585 --> 0:17:15.145 on a budget. So I think we always think, oh, 0:17:15.425 --> 0:17:17.825 the more we spend on clothes, the more we need 0:17:17.865 --> 0:17:20.785 to be careful and look after them and dry clean 0:17:20.825 --> 0:17:24.025 than bloody blah. But I also say, hey, if you're 0:17:24.065 --> 0:17:27.945 buying budget, look after them just as well, because that 0:17:28.025 --> 0:17:31.825 will prolong their wear and it will make them look 0:17:32.065 --> 0:17:34.545 really good for a much longer period of time. So 0:17:34.825 --> 0:17:38.825 don't be afraid if it's applicable to get a synthetic blouse, 0:17:38.905 --> 0:17:39.625 dry clean. 0:17:39.585 --> 0:17:42.865 Yes, or hand wash, you affordable tea or nit or 0:17:42.905 --> 0:17:45.065 whatever it is. Just because it was affordable doesn't mean 0:17:45.145 --> 0:17:47.185 we want to trash it any faster. I love that. 0:17:48.385 --> 0:17:51.265 Before we get into bougie and budget, what's your overall 0:17:51.945 --> 0:17:56.545 message or advice for women who are worried about wearing 0:17:56.665 --> 0:17:58.825 certain things at their age. I know you've said just 0:17:58.825 --> 0:18:01.545 go with your gut, but something a bit more practical 0:18:01.585 --> 0:18:03.305 in that should they take a friend with them, should 0:18:03.305 --> 0:18:04.705 they not take a friend with them? 0:18:05.745 --> 0:18:11.105 Look, it's very hard shopping with friends because friend can 0:18:11.465 --> 0:18:17.385 sometimes be almost a little bit too honest in many ways, 0:18:17.665 --> 0:18:21.545 but also they're being a lot more subjective with their advice. Yeah, 0:18:21.705 --> 0:18:25.185 the best way is to shop by yourself and take 0:18:25.225 --> 0:18:29.265 photos in the change room. Even do what you said 0:18:29.305 --> 0:18:32.345 before Lee, actually cover your face with the phone or 0:18:32.425 --> 0:18:35.385 top your head off so that you're really objectively looking 0:18:35.745 --> 0:18:40.265 at the item. But even from there, rather than just 0:18:40.305 --> 0:18:43.345 putting on a top or a jacket, style it from 0:18:43.385 --> 0:18:45.465 head to toe in the store and see how it 0:18:45.465 --> 0:18:48.825 comes together as a collective outfit. Your judgment of how 0:18:48.865 --> 0:18:50.665 something looks will be a lot more accurate. 0:18:50.825 --> 0:18:53.345 I really like putting together the whole outfit in the chain. Yeah, 0:18:53.665 --> 0:18:56.185 or perhaps checking the returns policy and taking it home 0:18:56.225 --> 0:18:57.905 and seeing the combos in your wardrobe. 0:18:57.985 --> 0:19:02.505 Absolutely, always take things home if the returns policy allows 0:19:02.505 --> 0:19:03.985 for you to go home, try it on in your 0:19:04.025 --> 0:19:07.665 own home. I do that all the time online shopping. 0:19:07.705 --> 0:19:11.545 I only buy online from stores that are free returns. Yes, 0:19:11.585 --> 0:19:13.465 because you do want to be able to bring it home. 0:19:13.705 --> 0:19:16.225 Quight on with your wardrobe, mix the match, take lots 0:19:16.265 --> 0:19:18.865 of photos, yeah, and have some time to process it. 0:19:18.905 --> 0:19:21.385 And I think that's the problem. When we shot with friends, 0:19:21.705 --> 0:19:25.345 there's a little bit of healthy kind of competition, but 0:19:25.385 --> 0:19:28.945 there's also can be some unhealthy influence. 0:19:29.065 --> 0:19:43.425 Yes, I agree, it's very expensive. 0:19:44.225 --> 0:19:46.065 How mud are these percent? 0:19:47.545 --> 0:19:49.425 Okay, we're going to move on to bougie and budget, 0:19:49.465 --> 0:19:54.305 so we're talking about ageless outfits, ageless fashion. So I 0:19:54.385 --> 0:19:56.705 found this quite hard in that I actually found a 0:19:56.705 --> 0:20:00.145 few versions. So what I've done, I've gone into an 0:20:00.185 --> 0:20:04.825 online store that's for quote unquote young people and found 0:20:05.065 --> 0:20:07.985 a boogie in a budget that I would very happily 0:20:08.145 --> 0:20:11.665 recommend for my age group and my mum would probably wear. 0:20:11.665 --> 0:20:14.305 So that's how I went about it. Tell me Sally 0:20:14.345 --> 0:20:17.025 about your budget and what you've chosen and why. 0:20:17.625 --> 0:20:21.705 So I'm a big were of any matching set. So 0:20:21.745 --> 0:20:25.105 I love a good coor be it a suit, you know, 0:20:25.145 --> 0:20:28.545 a jacket and trouser, jacket and skirt, or a good 0:20:28.625 --> 0:20:31.785 coored you know, kind of softer blouse and pants. So 0:20:32.305 --> 0:20:34.745 I went into Camilla and Mark last week to check 0:20:34.785 --> 0:20:38.425 out their brand new drop and my eye went straight 0:20:38.625 --> 0:20:43.505 to this kind of torpie color, buttoned down collared shirt 0:20:44.105 --> 0:20:48.505 and elasticize, wasted full fluid. 0:20:48.225 --> 0:20:50.745 Pants, heaven elastic on the waist. 0:20:50.945 --> 0:20:54.945 My last fabric beautiful with a nice kind of quite 0:20:55.065 --> 0:20:58.465 textured little front pleat. And I tried it on and 0:20:58.505 --> 0:21:01.545 it's very fluid. It's a little bit Pajamary in styling, 0:21:01.665 --> 0:21:04.865 just to describe it. But I put it on and 0:21:04.905 --> 0:21:07.905 I put my hands in my pockets and my shoulders 0:21:07.945 --> 0:21:10.585 just relaxed, and I just knew this is you. 0:21:10.745 --> 0:21:11.465 Felt good. 0:21:11.745 --> 0:21:14.305