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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
Speaker 1: and every week I talk to an expert who helps
Speaker 1: us work out how to get more out of the
Speaker 1: clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is
Speaker 1: and what isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. How often
Speaker 1: have you seen an outfit in the window of a store,
Speaker 1: loved it, but then you've thought, ah, I can't wear that.
Speaker 1: It turns out a lot of women decide that they
Speaker 1: have quote unquote aged out of a store or a
Speaker 1: style and assume they can't wear certain trends because of
Speaker 1: how old they are. This episode is going to go
Speaker 1: against that belief because it's all in our heads. You
Speaker 1: haven't aged out of an item, You just need to
Speaker 1: style it for your personal style. Now joining me today
Speaker 1: is stylist Sally McKinnon. She believes in ageless dressing and
Speaker 1: between the two of us, we have the perfect formula
Speaker 1: that lets you feel stylish at any age. Sally, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. I requested your presence on this podcast,
Speaker 1: so I'm so excited to have you.
Speaker 2: Very pleased to be Herely, let's get started.
Speaker 1: With the questions I ask everyone, can you describe your
Speaker 1: style in three words?
Speaker 2: Do you know? This is such a hard question for
Speaker 2: me to answer. I have given this a lot of
Speaker 2: thought over quite some time, not just in preparation for
Speaker 2: today's podcast, because I really am a bit of a
Speaker 2: style chameleon. My style can literally change day to day,
Speaker 2: week to week. However, I would say my style is modern,
Speaker 2: curated and it's elevated.
Speaker 1: Loving following. You could not agree more. And I think
Speaker 1: chameleon could be a word in of itself, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it shows that you're a bit eclectic.
Speaker 2: And a few people have used the word eclectic to
Speaker 2: describe my style, and I never would have used that
Speaker 2: word because I always associate it with someone a little
Speaker 2: bit crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah me too, or like thrown together but not in
Speaker 1: a good way. Yes, yeah no, But chameleon is an
Speaker 1: excellent one, and I love those words. Now. The fashion
Speaker 1: theory is, we have a wardrobe full of clothes. Ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the stuff we've worn a bit, sure, you know,
Speaker 1: on occasion, but there's a ten percent that we just
Speaker 1: wear over and over again, our trusty favorites. What's in
Speaker 1: your ten percent?
Speaker 2: My ten percent, without a doubt, would have to be Blazers, jeans,
Speaker 2: and the last one probably if I was saying right now,
Speaker 2: I'm loving a ballet flat, like a modern ballet flat,
Speaker 2: but maybe a couple of months ago, they would be
Speaker 2: very on par with a pointed kitten heel. So I
Speaker 2: love a kitten heel. So those three pieces, the Blazers,
Speaker 2: the interesting genes, the kitten heels are kind of my
Speaker 2: signature style, and definitely that ten percent of the wardrobe
Speaker 2: that I wear.
Speaker 1: Today, we're doing things a little bit differently. We got
Speaker 1: a dressing room dilemma from a listener. I am trying
Speaker 1: on a bunch of outfits and I just don't know
Speaker 1: if they are right for my age or if I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be young again. I am in my late
Speaker 1: forties and feel like I'm having an identity crisis. How
Speaker 1: do I know what's right for me, so Sally, as
Speaker 1: a starist, I'm sure this comes up a lot when
Speaker 1: you're working with clients, or I wonder if it does.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that question? And the age
Speaker 1: part particularly I find really interesting. So is this a
Speaker 1: common thread you see with clients?
Speaker 2: This is so commonly, It's very common amongst women of
Speaker 2: a certain kind of age demographic. And we find that
Speaker 2: as women kind of go throughout life and go from
Speaker 2: decade to decade, so even from their twenties to thirties,
Speaker 2: thirties to forties, forties to fifties, they do have this
Speaker 2: identity crisis. It's particularly common for new mums. So perhaps
Speaker 2: this particular listener is someone who might have a young
Speaker 2: family and all of a sudden her lifestyle has changed considerably.
Speaker 2: What she used to wear doesn't apply to her current lifestyle.
Speaker 2: But also I think the older we get, the more
Speaker 2: we start to question, which was kind of her concern,
Speaker 2: well how do I dress and how am I supposed
Speaker 2: to look? And so I think that's where the dilemma
Speaker 2: comes in. And it's a reasonable dilemma because we are
Speaker 2: constantly bombarded as women with so much in terms of
Speaker 2: fashion and trends. Add in social media, it is highly
Speaker 2: highly confusion. So this is a really, really common dilemma.
Speaker 2: So I would say to this listener, you're not the
Speaker 2: only one. It's really common, and try not to stress
Speaker 2: too much about it.
Speaker 1: I think maybe she's overthinking it, but I agree it's
Speaker 1: a common thing. Because I was actually shopping with a
Speaker 1: girlfriend on Sunday and I saw something in the window
Speaker 1: of a store and she goes, we can't go in there,
Speaker 1: we're too old, and I thought, oh, that's interesting. I
Speaker 1: myself have felt that through periods, particularly postpartum. This lovely
Speaker 1: lady is saying, I'm trying on a bunch of outfits
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they are right for my age.
Speaker 1: So do you think it's that everyone on social media
Speaker 1: and this is a generalization is twenty one? Do you
Speaker 1: think it's marketing?
Speaker 2: To be honestly, I think it's all of those things.
Speaker 2: And I think one of the problems with the fashion world,
Speaker 2: and this is worldwide, is that there's a real disconnect
Speaker 2: between who the actual consumer is and the images that
Speaker 2: as a consumer we see on their websites, on their
Speaker 2: social media pages. So I don't know where this particular
Speaker 2: woman was shopping but I can guarantee she was drawn
Speaker 2: towards something that she really loved the look of. She
Speaker 2: probably put it on her body and looked in the
Speaker 2: mirror and then started to question is this appropriate for
Speaker 2: my age? And I guess if I was there with
Speaker 2: her in the chained room, I would then ask her, well,
Speaker 2: how do you plan to wear it? You know, because
Speaker 2: it's not just about a single item, it's about the
Speaker 2: head to toe styling. And I think that is what
Speaker 2: differentiates someone maybe in their twenties to someone in their
Speaker 2: forties or fifties or sixties. That you might have exactly
Speaker 2: the same item, but you will wear it differently to
Speaker 2: suit you, not necessarily suit your age, but to suit
Speaker 2: your personal style.
Speaker 1: That's why I prefer Pinterest, because I take screenshots and
Speaker 1: then I cut the person's head off in my camera
Speaker 1: roll because I don't want to know anything about them.
Speaker 1: I just want to be inspired by the outfit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and quite assion brands are doing that now on
Speaker 2: their e comm you just kind of see a mouth down,
Speaker 2: so they're trying to disassociate the model.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clothing Sally, Let's say we're going to help this
Speaker 1: lovely lady. We want her to find her ageless fashion style.
Speaker 1: Do you think ageless fashion is.
Speaker 2: It's such an interesting and obviously a very hot topic,
Speaker 2: and I'm a big advocate for ageless style, and I
Speaker 2: guess essentially what I think that means is ageless style
Speaker 2: is really wearing whatever you want and wearing whatever makes
Speaker 2: you feel good, regardless of your age. So thinking beyond
Speaker 2: all those stereotypes, all those silly sayings like mutton dressed
Speaker 2: up as lamb, and wearing whatever makes you feel the
Speaker 2: best version of yourself, whatever that might be, whatever your
Speaker 2: personal style is. And I think at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, as we get older, we definitely do learn
Speaker 2: to trust our instincts a lot more when it comes
Speaker 2: to personal style, and we tend to get better at
Speaker 2: shutting out the noise. But I still think for a
Speaker 2: lot of women it is very, very hard, because of
Speaker 2: all those factors we've already talked about to trust their
Speaker 2: instincts and were what they genuinely feel best in.
Speaker 1: That's it. I could not agree more. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: now forty two and I only started wearing miniskirts and
Speaker 1: shorter things in my forties because my legs aren't my
Speaker 1: best part of my body. Do I hate them. No,
Speaker 1: do I think about them?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But I told myself, oh, I can't show my legs.
Speaker 1: And then I got into my forties, I was like,
Speaker 1: who cares, No, one's looking at my legs. I like
Speaker 1: the dress. I feel great. And so that came with age.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because oftentimes, as we're saying it might
Speaker 1: be the other other way around. You might have had
Speaker 1: confidence before and then you think, ooh, am I too
Speaker 1: old Now I'm a mum. Whatever that may be. So
Speaker 1: we go through phases, don't we.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think also maybe Lee, you know, I
Speaker 2: think about the way that you're wearing that mini skirt
Speaker 2: in your forties. Yes, it's probably very different to how
Speaker 2: you would have worn that miniskirt in your twenty Totally.
Speaker 1: This is a kitten heel or a sandal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would not go near high stiletto.
Speaker 2: Yep. You're probably not wearing it with a little crop top.
Speaker 1: No, And that's it. And it's just because I like
Speaker 1: comfort because I'm tired. Ye. So do you think are
Speaker 1: any similarities between what the sixteen year olds are wearing
Speaker 1: today versus the trends of say you and I?
Speaker 2: I think the thing is that right now, in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, we've never had so much at our disposal
Speaker 2: in terms of choice and availability, whether it be online,
Speaker 2: and we also, I feel like there's never been less
Speaker 2: almost differentiation between what the eighteen year olds and the
Speaker 2: fifty eight year olds are wearing. Yes, I agree, so
Speaker 2: gone all the days when you know, teenagers dressed a
Speaker 2: certain way and their mother's dressed another way. There's definitely
Speaker 2: a lot more crossover between what's in a store in
Speaker 2: say somewhere that cater's for a teenage girl and somewhere
Speaker 2: that cater's towards a fifty plus year old woman. Whether
Speaker 2: it's a sneakers, you know, everyone's wearing sneakers. The youngsters
Speaker 2: will be wearing that same sneaker with their visible socks,
Speaker 2: whereas a different generation. So it's just those little tweaks.
Speaker 2: But honestly, there is very little difference between how the
Speaker 2: generations are dressing. But each generation or each individual will
Speaker 2: wear something in their own unique way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. My mum's Nelly eighty, and every time
Speaker 1: I pop out to her place, I go, oh, whoops,
Speaker 1: I took those seed jeans home just to borrow.
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely she's.
Speaker 1: Nailing ageless dressing. And when I take her shop and
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, I'm not going into that store. That's
Speaker 1: an old lady's store, and I think I want to
Speaker 1: be exactly like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting that same kind of sentiment we
Speaker 2: see that all the time with our clients is that
Speaker 2: we will take older clients into younger stores. You know
Speaker 2: what's perceived younger stores, and vice versa, our younger clients
Speaker 2: into somewhere that they perceive as being, oh, that's an
Speaker 2: older lady store. Because it's about the item that you're
Speaker 2: going to choose for them and then how they're going
Speaker 2: to style it. So those preconceived notions about brands are
Speaker 2: even kind of disappearing. I think.
Speaker 1: I'm totally ageless and I love fashion, but I have felt,
Speaker 1: let's say a little bit mature seeing all the two
Speaker 1: thousands trends coming back, even some of the nineties trends,
Speaker 1: because you know, I was there the first time. Is
Speaker 1: it that fashion and trends are cyclical and it's just
Speaker 1: that it kind of goes on to the next generation.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they do. Yeah, you look at all the big
Speaker 2: baggie jeans and the sneakers and the little crop top.
Speaker 2: I'm ten years older than you, Lee, so that just
Speaker 2: reminds me of my favorite girl band at the time, TLC. Yes,
Speaker 2: but again, you know, you can look at like I'm
Speaker 2: loving a baggie kind of slightly or won't say low rise,
Speaker 2: but just slightly lower on my hips. Yeah, wide leg
Speaker 2: to the floor. But I will then elevate it using
Speaker 2: one of my words, and rather than wear it with
Speaker 2: a sneaker, I'll wear it with a ballet flat or
Speaker 2: a pointed pump and a blazer. So I'm still taking
Speaker 2: whatever that trend is or you know, the cycle that's
Speaker 2: come back through, but I'm styling it very differently to
Speaker 2: the young women in their twenties.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, and they're probably thinking, oh, this trend's so
Speaker 1: cool and new, and we're like, oh, we did that
Speaker 1: the first time. I know. So do you think can
Speaker 1: women in their forties and fifties confidently wear the same
Speaker 1: outfits as their daughters. I know Mia swaps clothes with
Speaker 1: her daughter all the time. What do you think about this.
Speaker 1: I don't wear my whole mum's outfit, but I wear
Speaker 1: a lot of my mum's clothes and hers she wears
Speaker 1: a lot of mine.
Speaker 2: That kind of comes back to what we talked about,
Speaker 2: how really the difference between how the generations currently dress
Speaker 2: isn't really perhaps as different as it used to be,
Speaker 2: And that probably also has something to do with the
Speaker 2: fact that we are actually here talking about ageless style.
Speaker 2: You no, I'm sure you've probably seen memes or you know,
Speaker 2: videos about the Golden Girls back in the day, you know,
Speaker 2: who were actually only supposed to be in their mid forties.
Speaker 2: I know, the way a fifty year old woman, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm fifty two think i'm younger all the time, and
Speaker 2: you know, a fifty two your old woman today or
Speaker 2: a sixty two or a seventy two year old woman.
Speaker 2: It's not the same as how we kind of pictured
Speaker 2: that same age group all those years ago. So there's
Speaker 2: definitely lots of crossover. And yes, I know Mia often
Speaker 2: swaps clothes or wears her daughter's clothes or vice versa,
Speaker 2: but again, I'm sure she just wears them a little
Speaker 2: bit differently.
Speaker 1: So, Sally, let's say you're helping this client in real life.
Speaker 1: What advice are you giving her or what steps are
Speaker 1: you taking or where are you going? What are you
Speaker 1: doing to help her feel less daunted or worried about
Speaker 1: dressing quote unquote age appropriately.
Speaker 2: So first of all, it's really important to find out
Speaker 2: what the actual day to day needs are of the client.
Speaker 2: So what does their lifestyle look like. Are they working?
Speaker 2: Are they working from home? Are they in an office?
Speaker 2: Are they in a corporate environment or a more casual environment.
Speaker 2: Are they stay at home mum looking after kids? What
Speaker 2: does their social life look like? And then you start
Speaker 2: to think about, well, what clothes are actually going to
Speaker 2: serve your life purpose, what clothing is going to be
Speaker 2: functional for you every day? And I think what's happened
Speaker 2: post pandemic? Is it because the workplace has become a
Speaker 2: lot more casual. That's a really great thing for a
Speaker 2: lot of people's budgets. So we're finding now rather than
Speaker 2: shopping with clients to get a separate work wardrobe and
Speaker 2: a separate weekend wardrobe, there's a lot more overlap emerging
Speaker 2: educating the client and showing them through their clothing, how
Speaker 2: they can put together a look that suits their everyday needs,
Speaker 2: how they can dress something up, dress something down, how
Speaker 2: they can elevate it, and how they can wear their
Speaker 2: clothes in a way that makes them feel fantastic for
Speaker 2: whatever their day to day purpose, whether that is. And
Speaker 2: you'd be amazed how many women say this. They just
Speaker 2: want to look good when they pick the kids up
Speaker 2: from school. They don't want to be in their leggings,
Speaker 2: but they want to just look like they've made an effort.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just a as that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. So many of us are busy. We
Speaker 1: don't go on the Oscars red carpet. We're running around
Speaker 1: doing chores and working kids. But we just want that
Speaker 1: little bit of elevation comfort. But then like, oh that's
Speaker 1: quite cool. Like it's hard to find, but it looks
Speaker 1: very effortless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you do learn to listen to your gut
Speaker 2: and trust your instinct, whether you're shopping or putting together
Speaker 2: an outfit from your wardrobe, you know, look in the mirror,
Speaker 2: take a photo, and if it feels right, regardless of
Speaker 2: what anyone else says, it's probably right.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about fabrics. So this is
Speaker 1: something that I've probably changed the most since i've aged,
Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking about fabrics, because I
Speaker 1: feel like I've always had a similar style, but I
Speaker 1: was just not maybe I wasn't as busy, there wasn't
Speaker 1: as much wear and tear. So do you think as
Speaker 1: we age, little tweaks into the types of fabrics that
Speaker 1: we look for, how we care for our garments can change,
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting because I used.
Speaker 1: To think, oh, white T shirt's a white T shirt whatever,
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, Oh, it's one hundred percent cotton,
Speaker 1: it's breathable, I know how to launder it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, definitely, natural fibers are going to feel more comfortable.
Speaker 2: They're more breathable. So I guess if we are talking
Speaker 2: about women of a certain age and going through a
Speaker 2: certain time in life and maybe having hot flushes and
Speaker 2: you know, regulating different body temperatures than obviously natural fibers
Speaker 2: are going to be better. So, whether that's cotton, linens
Speaker 2: and silks and things like that. But I'm also a
Speaker 2: big believer, just anyway, Lee, that when you're buying clothes,
Speaker 2: the way a fabric looks and falls and drapes on
Speaker 2: your body is actually really key. And you can buy
Speaker 2: something very inexpensive, and I know that's going to be
Speaker 2: something we'll talk about in a minute, But when it's
Speaker 2: a good cotton or a good linen or a blend
Speaker 2: of the two, or a bit of a synthetic. I
Speaker 2: can tell you now, if that item of clothing looks
Speaker 2: great on your body, then it will look a lot
Speaker 2: more expensive than it actually is. And I've also got
Speaker 2: another little very with clients who do need to shop
Speaker 2: on a budget. So I think we always think, oh,
Speaker 2: the more we spend on clothes, the more we need
Speaker 2: to be careful and look after them and dry clean
Speaker 2: than bloody blah. But I also say, hey, if you're
Speaker 2: buying budget, look after them just as well, because that
Speaker 2: will prolong their wear and it will make them look
Speaker 2: really good for a much longer period of time. So
Speaker 2: don't be afraid if it's applicable to get a synthetic blouse,
Speaker 2: dry clean.
Speaker 1: Yes, or hand wash, you affordable tea or nit or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Just because it was affordable doesn't mean
Speaker 1: we want to trash it any faster. I love that.
Speaker 1: Before we get into bougie and budget, what's your overall
Speaker 1: message or advice for women who are worried about wearing
Speaker 1: certain things at their age. I know you've said just
Speaker 1: go with your gut, but something a bit more practical
Speaker 1: in that should they take a friend with them, should
Speaker 1: they not take a friend with them?
Speaker 2: Look, it's very hard shopping with friends because friend can
Speaker 2: sometimes be almost a little bit too honest in many ways,
Speaker 2: but also they're being a lot more subjective with their advice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the best way is to shop by yourself and take
Speaker 2: photos in the change room. Even do what you said
Speaker 2: before Lee, actually cover your face with the phone or
Speaker 2: top your head off so that you're really objectively looking
Speaker 2: at the item. But even from there, rather than just
Speaker 2: putting on a top or a jacket, style it from
Speaker 2: head to toe in the store and see how it
Speaker 2: comes together as a collective outfit. Your judgment of how
Speaker 2: something looks will be a lot more accurate.
Speaker 1: I really like putting together the whole outfit in the chain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or perhaps checking the returns policy and taking it home
Speaker 1: and seeing the combos in your wardrobe.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, always take things home if the returns policy allows
Speaker 2: for you to go home, try it on in your
Speaker 2: own home. I do that all the time online shopping.
Speaker 2: I only buy online from stores that are free returns. Yes,
Speaker 2: because you do want to be able to bring it home.
Speaker 2: Quight on with your wardrobe, mix the match, take lots
Speaker 2: of photos, yeah, and have some time to process it.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the problem. When we shot with friends,
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of healthy kind of competition, but
Speaker 2: there's also can be some unhealthy influence.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, it's very expensive.
Speaker 2: How mud are these percent?
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going to move on to bougie and budget,
Speaker 1: so we're talking about ageless outfits, ageless fashion. So I
Speaker 1: found this quite hard in that I actually found a
Speaker 1: few versions. So what I've done, I've gone into an
Speaker 1: online store that's for quote unquote young people and found
Speaker 1: a boogie in a budget that I would very happily
Speaker 1: recommend for my age group and my mum would probably wear.
Speaker 1: So that's how I went about it. Tell me Sally
Speaker 1: about your budget and what you've chosen and why.
Speaker 2: So I'm a big were of any matching set. So
Speaker 2: I love a good coor be it a suit, you know,
Speaker 2: a jacket and trouser, jacket and skirt, or a good
Speaker 2: coored you know, kind of softer blouse and pants. So
Speaker 2: I went into Camilla and Mark last week to check
Speaker 2: out their brand new drop and my eye went straight
Speaker 2: to this kind of torpie color, buttoned down collared shirt
Speaker 2: and elasticize, wasted full fluid.
Speaker 1: Pants, heaven elastic on the waist.
Speaker 2: My last fabric beautiful with a nice kind of quite
Speaker 2: textured little front pleat. And I tried it on and
Speaker 2: it's very fluid. It's a little bit Pajamary in styling,
Speaker 2: just to describe it. But I put it on and
Speaker 2: I put my hands in my pockets and my shoulders
Speaker 2: just relaxed, and I just knew this is you.
Speaker 1: Felt good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt good. It came home with me. And
Speaker 2: I don't really shop like that very much. I don't
Speaker 2: really do that kind of shop now, And so I
Speaker 2: appreciate that Camilla and Mark is not budget. When I
Speaker 2: compare it to my bougie.
Speaker 1: I love this.
Speaker 2: You're very budget.
Speaker 1: We'll get there in a moment. But also Camilla and
Speaker 1: Mark's quality and the fact that they're kind of classic coords.
Speaker 1: You can work them in with new trans new seasons forever.
Speaker 1: I approve, and don't worry. My budget's very budget. So
Speaker 1: I'm covering you there. So I pretended I went to
Speaker 1: Dottie online because I thought, oh, I can't shop in Dottie.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that, but I think a lot of
Speaker 1: women would Dottie have the Sarah Soft Cargo pant. It's
Speaker 1: a cord available, but I like the pants elasticated waist.
Speaker 1: The color I like is called warm Talk. They look
Speaker 1: like a brushed silk. They're not silk for the price,
Speaker 1: but they're just super stretchy, cumfy, wideish at the ankle,
Speaker 1: so you could do a sneaker, you can do a
Speaker 1: sandorm yep. And they are sixty nine ninety budget. I'd
Speaker 1: be a little bit sweaty. That would be a really
Speaker 1: good aeroplane outfit. Yeah. I wouldn't wear that fabric, probably
Speaker 1: in the height of summer because I get a bit shitzy.
Speaker 1: But they're really nice. So the Sarah Soft Cargo pants
Speaker 1: from Dotty, which I haven't looked at.
Speaker 2: In years, I will have to check them out.
Speaker 1: You will now give me your boogie because I think
Speaker 1: it's by one of my favorite designers of all time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I should also say the set that I'm talking
Speaker 2: about from Camilla and Mark is called the Nevas Shirt
Speaker 2: and the Nevas pant.
Speaker 1: Her face.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you the price.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go on.
Speaker 2: So they were three fifty each.
Speaker 1: Oh that's not too bad.
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing. I know, but I thought
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 1: But after having purchased a blazer at the start of winter,
Speaker 1: which obviously blazers a little bit more boogie, but three
Speaker 1: fifty each is good for the quality and reputation of
Speaker 1: Camilla and Mark agreed.
Speaker 2: So that's a seven hundred dollars investment, okay. And the
Speaker 2: bougie is from my favorite designer, also New York brand Tibby. Yes,
Speaker 2: tib I love, and they have almost the identical set.
Speaker 2: It's called the Thomas Men's Wear shirt and pant.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me this.
Speaker 2: The shirt in Australian dollars is eight hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars okay, and the pants are a thousand dollars okay.
Speaker 1: So that's why we went for Camilla and Mark. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is essentially the same vibe, it's the
Speaker 2: same aesthetic, it's the same functionality, but less way less
Speaker 2: than half price, and that's before you add shipping from
Speaker 2: the US.
Speaker 1: Totally go there, No, we won't. Tivy is such a
Speaker 1: I was gonna say fun. Probably not fun, but you know,
Speaker 1: modern twist on classic shapes and a bit you know,
Speaker 1: architectural and structural and their account and they're design to
Speaker 1: give so many amazing styling tips. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: can get a lot of TIVV on secondhand sites. There's
Speaker 1: even a Facebook group. I mean, I'm in the group
Speaker 1: with the spreadsheet. Yes, we'll have to link all of
Speaker 1: this in twins. Now, my Bougie is still pretty affordable,
Speaker 1: but more expensive than my budget. I went in virtually
Speaker 1: to Bado, another store I have not shopped in in
Speaker 1: my real life for many, many years. I was really impressed.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's Bardo's stores anymore. There's
Speaker 1: definitely online, but I haven't seen a store, gosh for years.
Speaker 1: So I've got two I'm cheating. The Anna high waist
Speaker 1: pant in ten. It's a very high waisted, almost like suiting.
Speaker 1: It's called the tailoring pants. They have got invisible little
Speaker 1: zip pockets, high waisted, beautiful, falls delightfully one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty nine dollars. And then the other thing I just
Speaker 1: had to mention, I know I'm cheating is expensive for Bardo.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and thirty nine dollars and ninety nine cents,
Speaker 1: so two hundred and forty bucks for a denim skirt.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called the Zeta denim midi skirt in dark
Speaker 1: It almost gives me sort of age vibes or did
Speaker 1: you know that very high waisted, sort of pleated almost
Speaker 1: coarsetting around the waist and then sort of out to
Speaker 1: a soft pleat in an It's beautiful. So two hundred
Speaker 1: and forty dollars is a lot for Bardo, but you
Speaker 1: would see this skirt and you would think it was very,
Speaker 1: very extensive and very high end. And the way you
Speaker 1: could start it. You could do a came in a heel,
Speaker 1: you could do a tea in a tank or a sandal.
Speaker 1: I am considering it, but I do want to go
Speaker 1: and try it on in real life, and I just
Speaker 1: the waist is so feminine and flattering, and it's that
Speaker 1: really beautiful dark indigo denim that you can really sort
Speaker 1: of dress up.
Speaker 2: Sounds amazing. And can I just say on that note
Speaker 2: being denim, this is one thing that I often advise
Speaker 2: people that denim is denim.
Speaker 1: Agreed, you don't have to spend a million dollars, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: We find something that's a little bit unique like the Bard, Yeah,
Speaker 2: go for it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Oh, Sally, I'm so glad to have
Speaker 1: finally chatted with you. I followed you for so long.
Speaker 1: I love all your advice, so we'll pop a link
Speaker 1: to your Instagram in the show notes so everyone else
Speaker 1: can enjoy your wonderful wisdom.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Leigh, it's been an absolute pleasure
Speaker 2: chatting with you.
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