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Speaker 1: The power. You're in a Runner podcast series is brought

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Speaker 2: The best part is really just you know, you're always

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Speaker 2: So this year I sort of tried really hard to

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our final episode of the Power Your Inner

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Speaker 1: Runner podcast series in partnership with Nike Running and Rebel Gosh.

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Speaker 1: That has gone so quickly. I feel so lucky to

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Speaker 1: much universal advice into these chats that will be invaluable

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Speaker 1: to listen to. So we've heard from Katrina on mastering

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Speaker 1: But I still have some pretty specific questions left around fuel,

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Speaker 1: as our third and final guest Lindon Hall, a fifteen

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Speaker 1: also a qualified dietitian who headed to America after high

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Speaker 1: Today we get into the guts of our guts and

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Speaker 1: again in the few runs I've done since recording this

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Speaker 1: As I've been recording these episodes, I've really been reminded

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a pretty cool place to go. Like

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Speaker 2: we had great weather year round, great running, you know,

435
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 2: had a great group of girls to run with, you know,

436
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 2: every day. It was amazing, Like it was just like

437
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 2: handed to you on a plate. It was like, you

438
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Speaker 2: go go be the best you can because here is

439
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 2: everything you need. I feel like it was the closest

440
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 2: thing to sort of being a professional athlete without actually

441
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Speaker 2: being one, which I think was probably that like push

442
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: I needed to get to that next level because I

443
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,360
Speaker 2: was surrounded by you know, so many driven women who

444
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: just wanted to be the best and get the most

445
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Speaker 2: out of them and you know, you kind of had

446
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: no choice but to go along for the ride. And

447
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: you know, by the end of sort of college, I

448
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 2: was like I finished in twenty fifteen, so the next

449
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: year was an Olympic. Yeah, so I was kind of like, oh, real, Olympics, hey,

450
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: which I've been pretty obsessed with since I was little,

451
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: like Sydney Olympics. I was in grade three, so it

452
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 2: was like prime impressionable age and I was obsessed. I

453
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: still have this box that I like decorated with like

454
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: my own drawings of like the mascots and like oh

455
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 2: my the cauldron and things like that.

456
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Speaker 1: Was it Harvey million Oi or something? I se Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: and Millennium Olympics exactly who is Harvey?

458
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Speaker 2: Don't know? Maybe he designed them maybe, Yeah. So I

459
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: was like obsessed with the Olympics, So it was it

460
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: was pretty cool to finally like be in a position

461
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Speaker 2: where I was kind of within a sniff of maybe qualifying. Yeah.

462
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Speaker 2: So the next year, I guess, like big things happen

463
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: in Olympic years, like you see it every year, like

464
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: people just come out of the woodwork and have incredible

465
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: years because that's the magic of the Olympics really and yeah,

466
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Speaker 2: I improved like nine seconds that year and ended up

467
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Speaker 2: making it too rear and came thirteenth. So I was

468
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: that painful like first person to miss the final by

469
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Speaker 2: point oh zero two street a second and it was

470
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: like such a happy, sad moment because obviously, like ad

471
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: achieved so much more than I expect that year and

472
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Speaker 2: you know, made my first Australian team gone to the Olympics.

473
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Speaker 2: But you know, you always want more as an athlete,

474
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Speaker 2: and I think, you know, we're all pretty guilty of

475
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: that of you know, always wanting wanting more, wanting to

476
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Speaker 2: do more. And I think that's why we keep coming

477
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Speaker 2: back the next year, because you know, you want to

478
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 2: better yourself and you want to you know, chase those

479
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Speaker 2: medals and things like that.

480
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love you are such an amazing

481
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Speaker 1: example of just pure dedication to a goal. And I

482
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Speaker 1: love the idea that I think sometimes like not necessarily

483
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Speaker 1: in the sporting or athletic context, or it's quite measurable.

484
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Speaker 1: Something I always talk about on the show is the

485
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Speaker 1: idea that your why, once you find it, that stays

486
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: the same, but you're how, oh, that has to change

487
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: along the way through different chapters, and your how when

488
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 1: you were in Melbourne starting at Melbourne UNI, like that

489
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the right how for you. It took a

490
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: big shift in environment, a completely sideways sort of not

491
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: really sideways, but you know, big shift to a different

492
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: country to do college somewhere else and study something different

493
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Speaker 1: and then come back. Like I love the idea that

494
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: your goal has never wavered, but the way that you

495
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: kind of made it there and made it work for

496
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: you has had to change along the way. And it's

497
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: so interesting. I find that just so fascinating, the way

498
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Speaker 1: people find and keep their motivation as you build up

499
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Speaker 1: to something. Because again, like an Olympics is only every

500
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Speaker 1: four years or five kind of this year, yeah, or three,

501
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: but you have to stay focused, like you can't wake

502
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Speaker 1: up or go to the Olympics. You know, you have

503
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: to be patient while you make your way to these goals.

504
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: And that's also something I find really interesting, Like how

505
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Speaker 1: has your last five years been like once you did

506
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Speaker 1: get that pinnacle, Like, how did you stay patient just

507
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Speaker 1: waiting for Tokyo?

508
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess, like, you know, we get the somewhat

509
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Speaker 2: of attention every four years for the Olympics, but you know,

510
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: there's still plenty happening in those in between years, I

511
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: guess in the athletics world, so you've always got goals

512
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Speaker 2: along the way. It's not you know, I think if

513
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Speaker 2: you measured your entire career on the Olympics, which is

514
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 2: obviously huge. You're kind of setting yourself up a little bit,

515
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: but not necessarily disaster. But if you know that one

516
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: race every four years something goes wrong, you know, you

517
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: get sick, you get tripped. You know, you kind of

518
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: want other things, like you've got your World Championships, which

519
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: are on alternate years for US, we obviously have come

520
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 2: up games which will have next year, which is good

521
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: to have those sort of the goals in between, and

522
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: you know it's not quite the Olympic Games, but you

523
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: know you've still got just amazing quality of competition. And yeah,

524
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 2: probably doesn't get I guess, quite as noticed outside of

525
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Speaker 2: the athletics world, but I think, you know, they're really

526
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Speaker 2: good to have in between and really good to track

527
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: your progress and see where you're sitting with all of

528
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Speaker 2: the other girls. And yeah, I think I got not lucky.

529
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Speaker 2: I think I things worked out really well, that I

530
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: had a really great year in an Olympic year, you know,

531
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Speaker 2: from an injury perspective, But you know, so much of

532
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: that was down to, you know, so much for the

533
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: planning by my coaches and support staff and you know,

534
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: just the support network that I have and just making

535
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Speaker 2: sure everything was as perfect and smooth as it could

536
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Speaker 2: possibly be. And I think, you know, for such an

537
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: individual sport, that team you surround yourself with is so

538
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: important because you do spend a lot of time on

539
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: your own and things like that. So we have those

540
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Speaker 2: really great you know, supports around you is really important

541
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: and other people making decisions. You know, sometimes you get

542
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: so caught up in the emotion of it all because

543
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Speaker 2: you know, you asked, everyone is so passionate about it,

544
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: and you put so much into it that sometimes having

545
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Speaker 2: that person to be like, no, that idea, you will

546
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: get injured if you go and do that, or like,

547
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: you can't do five races in one week, that's a

548
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: terrible idea. You know, maybe you're quite that extreme, but

549
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Speaker 2: you know, it's really good to have those sort of

550
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Speaker 2: people to keep you in check as well.

551
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Speaker 1: And then, oh my gosh, you got to Tokyo and

552
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: you improved your time from the heats to the semis

553
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: and then to the finals every time, got faster to

554
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Speaker 1: run your PV. To come sixth in an Olympic final,

555
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, congratulations. Has it settled in yet? How

556
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: are you feeling?

557
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: I definitely had to watch the race back a couple

558
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: of times just sort of digest it and kind of

559
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: break it down a little bit, just kind of you know,

560
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: let it all register. But I think what was really

561
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: different for me this year going into the you know,

562
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: major championship of the year was just I had so

563
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: much more confidence and just a real kind of, I guess,

564
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: sense of belonging in that race. I think, you know, obviously,

565
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 2: you roll up to the Olympics and you're like, well,

566
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: the World Championships, and you're like, I want to make

567
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: the final, because that's what you want to do, you know,

568
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: that's that's the aim of the task. But I think

569
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 2: previously I'd lined up being like I wish I make

570
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: the final. I want you know, whereas this year it

571
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: was like, no, you've done all the work, like everything's

572
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: been gone really well, like you should, and we'll make

573
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: the final because you you know, we've done everything to

574
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: be there, You've run as fast as these other girls,

575
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Speaker 2: Whereas I think other years I've come in being like, oh,

576
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Speaker 2: maybe if like everything goes right and maybe like a

577
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: couple other people have bad races and like maybe I

578
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: get really lucky, I might get the last spot in

579
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: the final, and that'd be great. But this year, like

580
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: it was just such a different mindset and it was

581
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: just so powerful to line up and feel like that.

582
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Speaker 2: I think the heats, I was so nervous, but it

583
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Speaker 2: was the heats and because of the COVID pandemic obviously

584
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: we haven't had raced overseas almost two years, so it

585
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: was you know, just lining up with other you know,

586
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: women of that level was you know a little bit

587
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: like ooh people.

588
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: Whereas humans, yeah, social distance, mate, don't be that close

589
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: to me. They should have extended the lanes.

590
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: Exactly. So like I think that was like, oh my gosh,

591
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Speaker 2: other people in the race, other people in the track.

592
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: You know, I was so stressed about getting tripped up

593
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: or something because our races in Australia are a lot,

594
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: a lot smaller, especially on the girl's side. You know,

595
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 2: we don't have that same depth and we don't have

596
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Speaker 2: you know, twelve girls within like three seconds of each

597
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: other or something. You know, it's a bit more spread out,

598
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: so you get a bit more room on the track.

599
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: So that was like the biggest thing I was scared

600
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: about going in almost was just like people. So yeah,

601
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: by the time we got to the semi final round,

602
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like I know what I'm doing now,

603
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: like we're right at home. And I was just, yeah,

604
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: felt so much more confident and so much more settled

605
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: lining up for that race, and then yet carried that

606
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: through to the final. Actually said, I like got progressively

607
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: less nervous, wow, as we went through the rounds. I

608
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 2: mean I was pretty nervou stood by the final. And

609
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: I think we had like a really long care room

610
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: beforehand when they you know, organize you beforehand and you know,

611
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: get your numbers and things like that. And we were

612
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: waiting just at the edge of the track under the stands,

613
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: and the women's four hundred was right before us, and

614
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: obviously everyone like I feel like no one missed, you know,

615
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: how amazing Alison Felix was. And she kind of, you know,

616
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: obviously ran incredible and needed to sort of just line

617
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: a heap and die and she kind of came and

618
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: laid like right in our core room area, like wrapped

619
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: in an American life, just like dead on the ground.

620
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, that's that's pretty cool.

621
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: And then we had the women's jab going on at

622
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: the same time, and we had three girls in that

623
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Speaker 2: final and they had the TV showing that like in

624
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: this area, and they just showed Kelsey our Australian athlete

625
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: who ended up winning the bronze medal, you know, through

626
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: her medal winning throw. And I was like, oh my god,

627
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: there's no shortage of inspiration, like just right here. And

628
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: that was like so cool to have, you know, those

629
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: two athletes just do amazing things sort of right then

630
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: and there. It was such a great like unintentional fire up.

631
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, like this is the chit like

632
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: we're at the Olympics.

633
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how exciting. Oh you just must feel

634
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: so proud and and like all of us feel so

635
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: proud for you. What an amazing achievement.

636
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you. It's so fun to talk about

637
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: because I feel like I get to almost like live

638
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: it all again.

639
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Well, I like feel like it's such a privilege to

640
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: get to sit down with Olympians and talk about it

641
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: because you almost like you sort of see it and

642
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: you get really caught up in the emotion. But then

643
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: hearing about what it felt like on the ground is

644
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: like triple goosebumps. It's just so exciting to hear what

645
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: it felt like you And also to look at you

646
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: and know that you're reflecting, like often it is the

647
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: first or second time you've really thought about it with

648
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: some distance and perspective as well. Like that actually happened to.

649
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: Me, What, yeah, I do have to sort of take

650
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: that step back and kind of be like that's pretty cool,

651
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: you know, I think, yeah, you know, you're always wanting more,

652
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: wanting to achieve the next goal, and so it's so

653
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: easy to you know, finish a championship and be like, Okay,

654
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: next time I want to do this, I want to

655
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: do that, and you start immediately moving on to how

656
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: am I going to do that? Why I'm going to

657
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: do that? But I think, you know, it's so valuable.

658
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: And I've sort of actually read a newspaper article before

659
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: the Olympics were originally meant to be that was had

660
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of coats from Ian Thorpe about how, you know,

661
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 2: he'd sort of been a bit like that in his

662
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: career in terms of not really celebrating some of the

663
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: successes when they happened. And I think I sort of

664
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: looked back on my sort of last few years, you know,

665
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: since the last Olympics, and I was like, you know what,

666
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: I was really quick to move on, and I just

667
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: wanted to do more. So this year I sort of

668
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: tried really hard to kind of stop and celebrate and

669
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: soak it all up and you know, share it with

670
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: the people who have been so important to getting me

671
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: to that start or getting to that finish line. You know,

672
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: my friends, my family, my coaches and training partners and

673
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: things like that, and just really acknowledge, I guess, not

674
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: only their contribution, but to sort of to share that

675
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: success that we were all a part of. Yeah, I

676
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: think it's just, you know, it makes you really appreciate

677
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: all the work that you put in to achieve a

678
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: goal rather than being like, all right, what's next. I mean,

679
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 2: obviously you need to need to do that as well,

680
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: but I think kind of having that pause before moving

681
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: on it's been really important. And Yeah, I feel like

682
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: I did a much better job of that this year,

683
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: and it was kind of cool to be out to reflect.

684
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: You actually did a really lovely post on that a

685
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: little while ago, like maybe six or seven post back.

686
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: I saw that you did take like a real moment

687
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: to reflect on what you'd achieved and list the things,

688
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: which often feels really awkward to sort of list your

689
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: achievements over the year, but to stop and reflect on them,

690
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: like that's a big part of CZA. What is the

691
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: point in achieving your goals if you're just going to

692
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: start chasing the next one straight away after and never

693
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: let it settle. So I love that idea of taking

694
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: a moment to celebrate and really reflect on your achievements.

695
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: We have so many questions from people who have been

696
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: incredibly inspired by you, who are so excited about running,

697
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: but who really just don't know where to start, or

698
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: who don't have the coaches or the team or the

699
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: background years and years of running behind them like you do.

700
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: So I'm very, very grateful to have you here to

701
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: pick your brains today. From a practical standpoint, the first

702
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: thing I'd love to ask you about, particularly in the

703
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: context of how well you've done recently and how much

704
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: you've increased your speed over the last couple of years,

705
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: is just that how do you increase your time? I

706
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: think that's the question I got asked the most when

707
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: I announced that we were going to do this, And

708
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I know that for a lot of people that was

709
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: in the context of a half marathon or a much

710
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: longer distance, but even the fact that you mentioned how

711
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: vary do your distances have to be for a fifteen hundred?

712
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: How do you work you said speedwork before. What is

713
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: speed work for you? How do you actually think that

714
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: people can break through those plateaus they might have hit?

715
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Well? I think, you know, having consistency and not having

716
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: injuries and staying healthy is obviously like your first step.

717
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: You know, you can't sort of jump to the next

718
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: one before you've kind of got a solid standing on

719
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: that first you know, you can't, Like, I guess even

720
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: just right now, in my sort of return to running,

721
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: I've spent the last two weeks just doing jogs and

722
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: haven't done a whole lot any harder or faster, and

723
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: just kind of you know, remembering how to run, letting

724
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: my muscles adapt and so that you know, I'm not

725
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: going to risk getting injured by just jumping straight in. Yeah,

726
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: I guess. So it's almost. Yeah. We like to really

727
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: work back from you know, that most important race, so

728
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: obviously that was the Olympics last year, and kind of

729
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: being like all right, like this is where we need

730
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: to be, and then kind of working backwards from sort

731
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: of that race day, you know, to build up that

732
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: consistency and kind of I guess the closer we get

733
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: to race day, typically a lot of the running gets

734
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: shorter and faster because you know, you're really trying to

735
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: sharpen up. I guess it's pretty different to those people

736
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: running a marathon and a half marathon to a fifteen hundred,

737
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: that's for sure, But you know, you do want to

738
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: sort of be a bit fresher and faster come race day.

739
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: So I guess, yeah, that sort of longer, less fun.

740
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 2: In my opinion, training is definitely going to come earlier,

741
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: and that's kind of what's coming for us in the

742
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: next few weeks. But I think being able to improve,

743
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: you need to I guess, like we're saying before, is

744
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: not just keep doing the same thing. You know, have

745
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: that variety in your training and have different distances and

746
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: different intervals or things like that, and mix it up

747
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: with you know, some hill running or some you know

748
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: running on different surfaces and changing it up to you know,

749
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: keep challenging yourself in different ways. You know, obviously probably

750
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: not throwing a thousand new things at yourself in a week,

751
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: but you know, picking you know, maybe one thing a

752
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: week to challenge yourself on and maybe that's you know,

753
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: doing a hilly run one day a week rather than

754
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: running around a flat course every week or something. Or

755
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: maybe it's running ten minutes longer, or you know, if

756
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: you've got to watch the tracks your pace, it's you know,

757
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: maybe running for the last five minutes of your run

758
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: a little bit faster or something like that, and just

759
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: finding you know, little new ways to get to challenge

760
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: yourself and slowly creep it up and you know, definitely

761
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: not throwing it all yourself in one go. I think

762
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: it's it's very much, as you know, a tiered approach

763
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: and you know, add one new thing and kind of

764
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, let yourself adjust to it. I guess you

765
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: know it's going to make you sow, probably as I'm

766
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: finding asking my return to run and Jim Lan things

767
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: like that, and you know, wait till you sort of

768
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: feel like you've got on top of that and you're

769
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: not like, don't feel like you've been hit by a

770
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: bus the next day. And then you know, when you

771
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: feel confident with that, you know, then maybe you can

772
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: try another way to challenge yourself. And I think sometimes

773
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: we're having you know, maybe a training partner or something

774
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: is really good because you can kind of push each

775
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: other sometimes. You know, if you're going out for a

776
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: run on your own, it's like, I was going to

777
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: go do that, you know, hilly run today, but you know,

778
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: a bit tired. But you know, if you've already told

779
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: your friend or hey, we're going to go run at

780
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: whatever park and there's hills there, you're like, well, better go.

781
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: I think, you know, having that accountability when you're you know,

782
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: trying new things or things that are hard is really cool.

783
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: And then you know you kind of get to celebrate

784
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: at the end, you know, high five and things like that.

785
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: It's you know, kind of fun. Just to achieve it together.

786
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: I think that makes it more fun.

787
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: So hilly runs important for us because you're like, a

788
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: track is flat obviously, so for speedwork, do you make

789
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: sure to include different kind of like gradients in running

790
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: as well as just intervals of different speeds within a

791
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: flat surface.

792
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, we definitely do some hill sprints and things like

793
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: that that really, I guess they're not much fun. I

794
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: don't love them. I complain a lot.

795
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: Obviously they're good for you though.

796
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 2: Like vegetables, But yeah, it's probably something we do further

797
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: away from racing. I guess, you know, I often pull

798
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: up pretty sore, so I like to do well. I

799
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: get told to do that a lot further away from

800
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: when in more of a preparation phase than sort of

801
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: a competition phase, that's for sure, because yeah, it's a

802
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: different way to challenge yourself, I guess. And so you're

803
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: using different muscles and things like that, so it gets stronger,

804
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

805
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really good advice because I often

806
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: just do the same texture, like the same kind of ground,

807
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 1: and just vary the distance, and then I'm like one,

808
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: I getting faster in each of these distances, But it's

809
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: probably because it's not varied at all. I just do

810
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: the same thing but change out good how far I'm going,

811
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: and then wonder why I'm not getting faster. But I think, yeah,

812
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: varying that up just so your legs can kind of

813
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: get used to it is something definitely to integrate into

814
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: your routine. What about you mentioned before about injury, and

815
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that's another reason why, Like remembering non runner

816
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: me I used to start running, I wouldn't do a

817
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: warm up, I wouldn't do a warm down. I just

818
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: go from zero to hero and then I'd be so sore,

819
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: and then that would fuel my belief that I hated running,

820
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: but it was only because I wasn't doing it properly.

821
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: What about I mean a big part of today's topic

822
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: is replenishing and recharging. How do you warm up properly?

823
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: And how do you warm down properly? Like what actual

824
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: exercises do you do? How long do you put into that?

825
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last of normal warm up warm down is

826
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 2: usually just an easy jog and then obviously with some

827
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: sort of dynamic drills and stretching and things like that,

828
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: which yeah, definitely to sort of get you going. And

829
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes there's a few extra bits and pieces

830
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: that might have come from physio if you know, you've

831
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: had a problem with something, and just keeping on top

832
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: of all those little things and looking after yourself in

833
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: between so that you know you're showing up for the

834
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 2: next run and you're not in the worst state possible,

835
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, to help yourself a little bit,

836
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: as easy as is just to be like, oh, I'm done,

837
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: thank god. I don't know. Everyone's busy and you're trying

838
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: to squeeze, you know, in here and there, So sometimes

839
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: you are a bit you know, go go go, but yeah,

840
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: sort of probably taking the time to you know, make

841
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: sure you doodle warm down, or getting enough food into

842
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: you and the right foods into you, and you know

843
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: in summer especially, you know as we're coming into you know,

844
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: keeping hydrated and getting enough sleep. I think sleeper is

845
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: pretty undervalued as a recovery tool. I think it's, you know,

846
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: we're so busy and distracted these days as well, Like

847
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: it's easy, like the amount of times it's so easy

848
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my gosh, it's like eleven o'clock,

849
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: you know, you just get caught up watching squid games

850
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: or something, which was us last night, and you're like,

851
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: oh my gosh. So I think just like having routines

852
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 2: is really good to you know, once you make something

853
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: a habit around your recovery and things like that, it's

854
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: it's so much easier. It's less of a chore. You

855
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: can't just do it without thinking. You're like, yeah, okay,

856
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: finish my run, my gym session. I have this snack

857
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 2: in the car on the way to you know, work

858
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, and things like that.

859
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I found that I remember to warm up and

860
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: do some like calf stretches and quads and just like

861
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: really quick sort of simple leg stretches. But warming down

862
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: is something you just forget because you kind of like, oh,

863
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: I've done it, you know, tick, and you just want

864
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: to rush off to the next thing. But if you

865
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: go and sit down straight away and then like an

866
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: hour later try and stand up, I'm like, Oh, that's

867
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 1: why people warm down. What do you actually do as

868
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: a warm down? Like what exercises or do you walk

869
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: it off? Like what kind of advice do you have

870
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: to people who don't actually know what a warm down is.

871
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if we've been doing a track session or

872
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: some harder running, we'll just do like an easy jog.

873
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: For me, that's fifteen minutes. But you know, that's all

874
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: sort of in context of my overall training. I guess,

875
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, if it's five minutes because your session was

876
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: ten minutes, you know that makes sense as well, And

877
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: that fifteen minutes is like as slow as it needs

878
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: to be on that day, and it's probably the slowest

879
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: running I do for the week, And it's often the

880
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: first few minutes are the worst, like and kind of

881
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: once you get that hard running out of your legs

882
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: a little bit you kind of almost flush it out,

883
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: and you know, the last few minutes you're like, Okay, yes,

884
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: that was a good idea, Like I needed that. Yeah,

885
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: but yeah. Often, you know, if you're training with someone else,

886
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: in that first five minutes, it's kind of like, okay,

887
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: no one talk.

888
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: Like no, no, worse, I cannot.

889
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, so it's kind of like, yeah. It's like you know,

890
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: when you get in the beach and it's really cold.

891
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: In that first few minutes, you're like, oh, sort of freezing,

892
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: and then after a few minutes you're like, oh, yeah,

893
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: this is pretty good. This is nice. It's kind of

894
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: that saying, like, you know, get through the first little

895
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: bit when you're really tired, and then you kind of

896
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: come good and you adjust and you kind of flush

897
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: it out of your legs and you definitely feel better

898
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: for it the next day. But at the time you're like,

899
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: it is the longest like three k's of my life.

900
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that three cases you're warmed down.

901
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: Do you do the same on like a long run day,

902
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: So on your Sunday long runs at the end of

903
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: the run, what would you normally do.

904
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: I'll often just do some like sort of dynamic drills

905
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: are not necessary, like sort of some static stretches, but

906
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: sort of yeah, a few sort of I guess, like

907
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: walking lunge stretches and a few sort of things like that,

908
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: I guess just to do it sort of depends what's

909
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: sawing cranky as to sort of probably what gets more attention.

910
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: But for example, I find my hips get really tired

911
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: after a long run, just you know, fatigued. So yeah,

912
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: a lot of kind of like sort of lungy stretches,

913
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, your arms over your head and twisting and

914
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: kind of just trying to I love the just kind

915
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: of yeah, trying to free up sort of that sort

916
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: of movement through my hips and sort of some like

917
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: leg swings and things like that, just to kind of

918
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: try and loosen up the sort of hips and back

919
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: and things like that. For me, tends to get a

920
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: little bit cranky after those longer runs.

921
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: And are you like are you a bath person or

922
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: you're going to the ocean for the cold person? Like

923
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: is it hot recovery, cold recovery? What do you think

924
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: is best for the legs?

925
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: Well, it depends what you've got access to. Like we

926
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: don't have a bath at home, so it's oh my god.

927
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Hopefully in my next place we will, but right now

928
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: we don't. But we live pretty close to the beach,

929
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: so yeah, sometimes I do head down there after after training,

930
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: especially in summer when it's kind of hot and refreshing

931
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, definitely when I know I've got

932
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: a session that's really going to challenge me, and maybe

933
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: I've got a race coming up and I want to

934
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: make sure I'm recovering well, we'll use the ice baths

935
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: or like the hot and cold pools, which is not

936
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 2: like my favorite activity, but in other one of those

937
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: kind of like but the bullet I know this is

938
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: good for me scenarios, which is, yeah, you know, you

939
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: always do feel a little bit a little bit better

940
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: for it. But yeah, I do kind of spend a

941
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: bit of time in compression socks and things like my

942
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: calves tend to get pretty cranky. Yeah, I've had some

943
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: injuries with those in the past, so I like to

944
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: try and baby those a little bit. And yeah, so

945
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: I think it's just finding, yeah, the things on that

946
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: for you get sore and tired, or the things that

947
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: might have been injuries in the past, and finding its

948
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,959
Speaker 2: little things that make them feel better and recover better,

949
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, just be pham rolling or a spiky ball

950
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: or yoga or something like that. You know, there's everyrun's

951
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: got different ways of making their bodies feel good.

952
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, drawing on your dietetics qualifications, this is something that,

953
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: again along with speed, has been the most common question

954
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: and also something that I worry about a lot, refueling

955
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: after a run, but also fueling before a run. I

956
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: discovered the other day I tried to go for a

957
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: run before breakfast because I thought then my stomach wouldn't

958
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to wait for the food to settle

959
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: and just avoid that whole thing. But I just didn't

960
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: have enough energy. Like I figured out, I'm an afternoon runner.

961
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: But the kind of question that came up a lot

962
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: was and this is like maybe not for a fifteen

963
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: hundred runner, but just from your dietetics background, people are like,

964
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: how do you fuel up before a longer run? Are

965
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: you meant to fuel during the run? You know, are

966
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: you supposed to not eat so that your stomach doesn't

967
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, get all upset? And also how do you

968
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: run and hydrate without getting a stitch? Like these dietetics

969
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: questions I was like, oh my god, Linda, help so

970
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: talk us through running nutrition.

971
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well, yeah, like you said, you definitely

972
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: want some fuel in the tank, especially for those those

973
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: longer runs. So the things that are going to give

974
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: our muscles the most fuel that the fuel we're actually

975
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: going to use on that run is you know, our carbohydrates.

976
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: And I guess the simpler that form of carbohydrate is,

977
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: the easier it is for us to digest, and the

978
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: quicker that energy we'll get to our muscles. So, you know,

979
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: you really quick carbohydrates like your gatorade, your you know,

980
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: white bread, a banana, like lollies, things like that.

981
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I thought this was all just like

982
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: us justifying ourselves having like carb loading. But I'm so

983
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: glad you're confirming it.

984
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, carbs aren't like essential. So yeah, if you're

985
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: sort of getting up and running or you know, running

986
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, it's those sort of people are Carbohydrates

987
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: are the ones you want to be getting in that

988
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: sort of you know, hour two hours before. They're typically

989
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: going to sit a little bit better. And I think

990
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: sometimes if you do struggle to digest them, sometimes things

991
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: that are in a liquid form sit a bit better

992
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: with a lot of people. So just you know, I

993
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 2: guess that's just absorbed, a little easier, a little quicker,

994
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: a little easier on the gut. And then yeah, I

995
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: guess if you're actually going in to do, you know,

996
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: like a really long run or something, it's you know,

997
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: I'm sure people are if they're preparing to run a

998
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: half marathon or a marathon, Yeah, you definitely want to

999
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: be taking on some fuel, you know, beyond that kind

1000
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: of hour and a half sort of marker of time,

1001
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: and whether that's gels, gatorad, lollies, all sorts of things.

1002
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: You know. I think everyone has different things that they

1003
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: like or convenient to carry or things like that. Or

1004
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: if you know, if you're going to run back by

1005
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: where you've parked your car or something, you can kind

1006
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: of have a quick step off, or you know, if

1007
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: you've got to cram a gel in your sports bar

1008
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: or something like that, it's you Yeah, but I think

1009
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: what's really cool about that is it gives you, you know,

1010
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 2: if you are going to go and run a marathon,

1011
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: you definitely want to be practicing what nutrition you're going

1012
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: to take on in your marathon. In your training, we

1013
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: don't want to be trying new things on race day.

1014
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: I've had an awkward toilet moment because I tried something

1015
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: the first day on a race day and I'm never

1016
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: doing that again. So is that a thing like you

1017
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: have to train your body, including your bladder and boughs

1018
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: to cope with things along the run, because I in

1019
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: my mind, I was always like I will try and

1020
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: not eat before and then not eat during so that

1021
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: my body just doesn't get confused with like putting extra

1022
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: stuff in it. But is that totally the wrong thing

1023
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: to do because then you just don't have the fuel. Yeah, definitely,

1024
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Like the more you practice, you know, taking on any

1025
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: kind of fuel mid run while you're running, you know,

1026
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: the more tolerance you're going to get kind of training

1027
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: you've got in a way to take on that fuel,

1028
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: to use that fuel and it's less like poly to

1029
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: cause and cause an upset hopefully. So yeah, definitely something

1030
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: you want to be practicing in your training, that's yeah,

1031
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And you know, finding different people different

1032
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: brands of products you know work better for others or

1033
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: different you know, sort of you've got gels, you've got drinks,

1034
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: you've got like lollies and chews and bars and you know,

1035
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: so many different forms.

1036
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: Of getting nutrition in that it's really important to be

1037
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: find what works best for you from a practicality, you

1038
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: know standpoint as well as you know taste digestion and

1039
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: you know what's its best. Yeah, So definitely practicing these

1040
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: things before race day is like the golden rule of nutrition.

1041
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: I feel like, from you know, running a marathon.

1042
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: Perspective, and that is so interesting that you mentioned about

1043
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: the hour and a half mark like that that's about

1044
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: where you should start because I wouldn't even know. I'm like,

1045
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: I'd just eat all my gels straight away and then

1046
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I've got none left.

1047
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: You can definitely take them on earlier, and you know,

1048
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: people definitely tend to, but I guess you're not going

1049
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: to start running out until that point. I guess in

1050
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: terms of what you've got on board from your breakfast

1051
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: or you didn't have the night before and things like that.

1052
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what then should you eat like the night before?

1053
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: And then what should you eat straight after? Because that's

1054
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: another thing that I always like. It's so easy because

1055
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: sometimes after you finish running you feel sick. I often

1056
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: feel a little bit not really sick, but just a

1057
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: bit nauseous and not super hungry. But I know that

1058
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: like for your muscles to recover from a long run,

1059
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: it's important to just push through that fielly and actually

1060
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: put something in your body. So what should you be

1061
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: eating straight after a run?

1062
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So in our recovery, we want carbo

1063
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: hydrates because we want to replace the carbohydrates that we've

1064
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: just used. We want some protein because that's going to

1065
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: obviously help repair our muscle damage that we might have

1066
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: done and help us get stronger again. And carbs and

1067
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: protein work pretty well together, so they work better in

1068
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: a pair rather than separately. And then we want to

1069
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: rehydrate as well, because we've obviously been sweating and things

1070
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: a lot. So they're sort of our three goals, I guess.

1071
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: And I think it's about, you know, when we are

1072
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: feeling a bit nauseous or run really hard and it's

1073
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: getting something in and then maybe you're getting something of

1074
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: better quality, and maybe when you've sort of settled down,

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Speaker 2: so that's something you know, might just be gatorade or something,

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Speaker 2: because that's going to give you some carbohydrates and some hydration,

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Speaker 2: and then you know you might settle down your stomach

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Speaker 2: a little bit later and be able to have you know,

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Speaker 2: some yogurt or a smoothie or something something like that

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00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: that's maybe not quite as palatable in the like immediately

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Speaker 2: after finishing. Yeah, and then obviously working out what's like

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Speaker 2: practical if you're out and about in the summer and

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00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 2: you've driven thirty minutes to somewhere that you've run or something,

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00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: you know, what's going to stay food safe in the

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Speaker 2: car at that time while you're running.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to sound in the middle of a run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of planning to make

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Speaker 2: sure you know you're packing snacks or you know that like,

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00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: oh yeah, as soon as I'm done, there's like holes

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00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: around the corner and I can go there and pick

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00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: up whatever snack you like to have. So I think,

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Speaker 2: like the worst thing for me is getting caught without snacks.

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00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: I hate being caught without whether I'm running or not exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I think planning, planning is key for that recovery,

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00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: to know that you know you've got something there. I'm

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00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: a huge fan of an up and go because it

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00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: kind of ticks all of those boxes, and in summer,

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Speaker 2: I like chuck in the freezer and then by the

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00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: time I'm done running, it's still cold but defrosted.

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Speaker 1: That's a great tip.

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00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: Super handy because it's got it's obviously the liquid, so

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00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 2: it's got to rehalf rehydration element, but it's also got

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00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: some carbs and protein from the milk and the flavoring

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Speaker 2: and things like that. So a bit about like all

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00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: in one kind of ties me over to wake at

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Speaker 2: home and then I'll get home and have breakfast or

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Speaker 2: dinner or lunch, whatever time a day it is.

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Speaker 1: And the night before when I'm running a long run,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, the night before, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: go for like a massive bowl of pasta or something.

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00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: Is that actually what you should be doing? Like are

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Speaker 1: you actually carveloading from the night before a long run?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're running to a point where you

1114
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 2: think you're going to use all of those carbohydrates. So yeah,

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00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: like if you're going to go for a two hour run,

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00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: you definitely want to put a bit of attention on,

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00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: you know, having a few more carbs the night before,

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00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: because that way, I guess you're waking up and your

1119
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 2: fuel tanks is already full.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lindon, that was such useful information. I honestly was

1121
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: just like stabbing in the wind, making random guesses about

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00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: carb loading and when to eat. And I obviously now

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00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: understand that trying to run without any fuel is such

1124
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: a bad idea. So I'm so glad that I understand

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Speaker 1: why that was not going down too well for me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom

1127
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: and knowledge and beautiful story. It's been so so lovely

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Speaker 1: to have you today. Last question for you, what's your

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Speaker 1: favorite quote?

1130
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Speaker 2: Oh right, it sounds a bit silly, but my favorite

1131
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: is when you go back to a bit of toy

1132
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: story here. Yes, my favorite pre race, I guess is

1133
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: probably where it came from is just run like the

1134
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Speaker 2: wind pools. I. I love it, which kind of just

1135
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Speaker 2: started because it's like a little joke with my mom

1136
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: and I when I was a kid, and then you know,

1137
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: we kind of just kept it going and you know,

1138
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: even before the Olympic, should texts me and be like,

1139
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: run like the wind puls Ie, and it just like

1140
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: makes me happy. It's a bit funny, it's a bit cute,

1141
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: it relaxes me, and it's about running kind of.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love it so much, and I

1143
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: love that it's like that little injection of like not

1144
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: taking it too seriously, but you are taking it seriously.

1145
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: It's a bit of fun. It's like very czya. I

1146
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: love it so much.

1147
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my fast favorite one.

1148
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much for joining Linden. It

1149
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: is just such a pleasure and I know so many

1150
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: people listening will have gained so much from this today.

1151
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the chat. It was so fun.

1152
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: Another wonderful episode, jam packed with nuggets of wisdom that

1153
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: I hope you all found as useful as I have

1154
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: in the lead up to Melvin Mara and beyond. If

1155
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: you are running in Melbourne Marathon, please let us know.

1156
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: I'd love to look out for you on the day

1157
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: and hear any of your training takeaways from these chats.

1158
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: It's so exciting for our guests and these wonderful athletes

1159
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: to see how you've been implementing things that they might

1160
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: have shared. And yeah, watch you guys getting excited about

1161
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: the sport. As always, I would love you in the

1162
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Speaker 1: neighborhood to share the episode if you enjoyed listening, tagging

1163
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Speaker 1: all of us at Linden dot hole at Nike Running

1164
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: and at Rebel Sport, so that we can keep growing

1165
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: the neighborhood as far and wide as possible and hopefully

1166
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 1: accessing a lot of other potential or aspiring or even

1167
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: already pro runners. I hope this is helping you all

1168
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Speaker 1: embrace that and motivating you to a achieve your running potential.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Nike and Rebel for making

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Speaker 1: this miniseries possible, and hopefully we can bring you many

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Speaker 1: more in the future. Hope you guys are all having

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Speaker 1: a great week and seizing your yay