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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy,

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Speaker 1: but tired and worn, just some of the feelings when

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Speaker 1: baby is born. There's magic, elation, there's chaos and tears,

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Speaker 1: but everyone goes through the same hopes and fears. So

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Speaker 1: this is a segment we hope helps you feel supported

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Speaker 1: and valid. The mum juggles real, the good, bad, the ugly,

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Speaker 1: the best and worst day. It's part of the journey

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Speaker 1: to seize the Babe. I'm Sarah Davidson, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: entrepreneur who hung up the suits and heels to co

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Speaker 1: found Macha Maiden, a Macha Milk Bar, become a TV

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Speaker 1: and radio presenter, and of course host The Sees the

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Speaker 1: Ya Podcast. This year, I added motherhood to that list,

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Speaker 1: which is the best job I've ever had with our

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Speaker 1: beautiful baby Teddy, and this segment was designed to house

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Speaker 1: all the conversations we've been having about parenthood. We'll still

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Speaker 1: do our regular episodes and just like real life, it's

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Speaker 1: a constant balance between our parent identity and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy this segment as much as

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Speaker 1: I have enjoyed creating it. Lovely Neighborhood, It's been a

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Speaker 1: little while since our last Sees a Bebe episode, but

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Speaker 1: as always, that in itself is just such an apt

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Speaker 1: representation of the Juggle. So many good topics have come

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Speaker 1: up recently just in going about my life that I've

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Speaker 1: wanted to dedicate episodes two for this segment, but without

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Speaker 1: anywhere near enough time to squeeze them in, including another

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Speaker 1: episode on the Juggle itself after a little video I

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Speaker 1: shared on it when viral, But that will have to wait,

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Speaker 1: because what we did manage to squeeze in over this

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Speaker 1: past week was to catch an incredible guest during her

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Speaker 1: whirlwind visit to Australia. I still can't quite believe I

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Speaker 1: had the opportunity to sit down with the woman who

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Speaker 1: has already revolutionized meal time in our household, which is

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Speaker 1: becoming quite the challenge as Teddy enters the wild world

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Speaker 1: of toddlehood. When it comes to feeding small humans. There

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Speaker 1: is pretty much nobody better to speak to than Annabelle Carmel,

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Speaker 1: who has published fifty one books on the subjects nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one, had several TV shows, a life changing range

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Speaker 1: of delicious already made frozen meals, and now an amazing

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Speaker 1: app featuring her easy, healthy recipes, her decades of work

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Speaker 1: since well before similar resources were accessible, has earned her

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Speaker 1: an mbe our equivalent of an OAM, along with the

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Speaker 1: praise and loyalty of millions of families around the world.

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Speaker 1: I just was not prepared for how difficult it could

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Speaker 1: be to simply feed your child once they realized that

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Speaker 1: they have autonomy, plus add the overwhelm of meal prep,

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Speaker 1: balancing nutrition, and simply finding time. But Annabel's frozen meals

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Speaker 1: to meet her in the flesh. Not only do we

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Speaker 1: cover so many of the burning questions that many of

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Speaker 1: right volumes, and all that kind of thing, Annabel also

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Speaker 1: shares the heart wrenching story that brought her to this point,

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Speaker 1: a child, so please do take care while listening. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, I hope you gain as much from this

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Speaker 2: Annabelle welcome, so lovely to be I love coming to Australia.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we love having you absolute icon and

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is you've been here a month ago,

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Speaker 1: you're coming again later in the year. I always thought

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Speaker 1: so many reasons, not just because you happen to be

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Speaker 1: I've just it's just started to consume my life feeding

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Speaker 1: story is so interesting. We've been talking for about seven

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Speaker 2: I think the why you started it is always very interesting.

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Speaker 2: It isn't a path that you ever thought would happen,

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Speaker 2: but it just life takes you that some is this

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Speaker 2: tragedy that finds your career, which was for my life.

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Speaker 1: Well that's something that I mean, not necessarily the tragedy,

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Speaker 1: but the show is all about showcasing the many different, unexpected,

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Speaker 3: Well, this is definite've very non linear, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think most of them are and people will walk into

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to think that you knew you'd end

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Speaker 3: A lot of it was not planned, It just happened.

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Speaker 1: You had, I mean even a whole career that unless

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Speaker 1: you googled you, you wouldn't know from your current pages that

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Speaker 2: Well? I started off as a musician, so I was

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Speaker 3: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: With other people. They're very vulnerable.

437
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Speaker 2: And I talk about that because I think that many

438
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Speaker 2: parents don't understand that or if somebody comes to kiss

439
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,360
Speaker 2: them or touch them, they feel embarrassed that if you say,

440
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,160
Speaker 2: don't touch my baby, I'll think you're really fussy, crazy mother.

441
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Speaker 2: But we're doing it for a reason to keep up

442
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Speaker 2: babies safe.

443
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Speaker 1: And I think also that is why it's important to

444
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Speaker 1: talk about the areas of parenthood that are a little

445
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 1: bit more shrouded in shame or secrecy or taboo, because

446
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Speaker 1: you have to have heard that to take it seriously.

447
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 1: Unless you know the consequences, it is easy to go no,

448
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 1: it's fine, you just do it. So I think, yeah,

449
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Speaker 1: the more aware you.

450
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Speaker 3: Are of or can happen.

451
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean you don't want to live in fields,

452
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: I know. But awareness I think is such an important

453
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Speaker 1: part of you know, making choices. But you have gone

454
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Speaker 1: on to turn it into such an incredible career and

455
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 1: become such a pre eminent authority and in everything that

456
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Speaker 1: I need you for right now.

457
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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is that we can't always scratch cook

458
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Speaker 2: and there are times when you know, even peanut carrot

459
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Speaker 2: feels really ambitious.

460
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Speaker 1: Showering feels ambitious, so carots on the list.

461
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Speaker 2: So yeah, when I was approached by I was a

462
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Speaker 2: number one Frozen few company in Australia to design a

463
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Speaker 2: range of meals for children. I'd already done that in

464
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Speaker 2: the UK become really really successful, and we developed this

465
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Speaker 2: amazing range. It was originally for coles of like just

466
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Speaker 2: delicious meals that had lots of vegetables, no artificial flavors, colorings,

467
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Speaker 2: and snap frozen so everything was locked in, all the

468
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Speaker 2: goodness because let's face it, like when you go down

469
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Speaker 2: the baby ail in the supermarket, there's no electricity, so

470
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Speaker 2: it's all long life, and in order for it to

471
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Speaker 2: have a long shelf life has to be heated to

472
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Speaker 2: a high degree, which actually destroys a lot of the nutrients.

473
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Speaker 2: And there's a program on television looking at some of

474
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Speaker 2: these baby food pouches and like there was a mango

475
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: pouch actually contained zero vitamin C in it, or if

476
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Speaker 2: it happened meat, it was such a tiny amount. Whereas

477
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Speaker 2: you know, if you freeze something, you've locked everything in

478
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Speaker 2: and it's just as good as when you cooked at

479
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Speaker 2: the first time. So that's what I wanted to do,

480
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Speaker 2: like give mothers the opportunity to give their children something

481
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Speaker 2: that was like a freshly cooked meal, but they could

482
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Speaker 2: take it home and book it in their freezer for

483
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Speaker 2: days and they don't have time to cook. And at

484
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Speaker 2: the beginning, people didn't even know to go to the

485
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Speaker 2: freezer to find a children's meal. It just you know,

486
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Speaker 2: they weren't looking there. So it took about a year

487
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Speaker 2: for it to catch on. But after that it became really,

488
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Speaker 2: really popular. And I think it's amazing because you know,

489
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Speaker 2: we're developing another range now and it's been ten years

490
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Speaker 2: now since I developed that range, and so many people

491
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Speaker 2: come up to you and say, well, it's a lifesaver.

492
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Speaker 2: It's a lifesaver because you don't feel guilty about giving

493
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Speaker 2: it to your child. You don't because you know it's

494
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Speaker 2: good quality.

495
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Speaker 1: And there is a lot of guilt. And I mean,

496
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Speaker 1: we put so much pressure on ourselves to do it all,

497
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Speaker 1: and like the expectations. I actually posted a video the

498
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Speaker 1: other day about the modern motherhood riddle, which is that

499
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Speaker 1: women in twenty twenty five are expected to work as

500
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: if they don't mother mother is if they don't work,

501
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: and look as if they do neither working or motherly.

502
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: True exactly, And the pressure you put, either externally or

503
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Speaker 1: internally to do it all and cook from scratch but

504
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Speaker 1: also be one hundred percent of your work and maintain

505
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Speaker 1: or your friendships, and something's got to give somewhere. So

506
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Speaker 1: being able to do it knowing that there is nutritional

507
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Speaker 1: value and that it isn't full of preservatives, and that

508
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Speaker 1: they love the taste it is, you are actually yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: and it's actually saving lives, Anna Belle.

510
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Speaker 2: It's even also about like what if I did spend

511
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Speaker 2: time in the kitchen cooking something, is my child actually

512
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Speaker 2: going to eat it? There's always that worry as well.

513
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: At least here you can experiment with lots of different

514
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Speaker 2: flavors and see which one your child likes without having

515
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Speaker 2: to buy the food, chop the food, cook the food.

516
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it really is like so easy,

517
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Speaker 2: and we work really hard to make sure that all

518
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Speaker 2: the nutrients are as if you cooked it at home,

519
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: and it will be as good and it's tasty. And

520
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: they're based on favorite recipes from my book.

521
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say so.

522
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Speaker 2: I've just come from developing a new range which hopefully

523
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Speaker 2: we will launch next year, and there we just launched

524
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Speaker 2: a new bolonnaise mac I call it really two childhood

525
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 2: sweethearts meeting each other. The macaroni, cheese and the bolonnaise

526
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Speaker 2: is an absolute winner, and I think it's become one

527
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Speaker 2: of my most popular meals. It's only been out for

528
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Speaker 2: about ten days, so I think it's adults.

529
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Speaker 1: Eating that because that sounds like my favorite meal.

530
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
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Speaker 3: I just tasted and it really is good.

532
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Speaker 1: Well, that brings up I mean the whole idea that

533
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Speaker 1: the other day I cooked a twelve hour slow cooked

534
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Speaker 1: brisket thinking this would be a really good way to

535
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Speaker 1: get some more iron into him, and he doesn't love tough.

536
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Speaker 3: Beef, so of course it sounds good to me.

537
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds tasted great to me. I'm

538
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Speaker 1: glad I could eat it, but wouldn't have a bar

539
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Speaker 1: of it. And so there are lots of behavioral questions.

540
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Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you for any parents listening, because

541
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Speaker 1: I know it is such a hard time. So the

542
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Speaker 1: million dollar question is volume. Yeah, I mean it's really

543
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Speaker 1: hard to work out how much they should be eating,

544
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Speaker 1: how often, and when they are sort of throwing half

545
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Speaker 1: of it and playing with it in their face, Like

546
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Speaker 1: how do you deal with the volume question? Are they

547
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Speaker 1: eating enough? And if they are leaving a lot of

548
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Speaker 1: it on their plate, do you keep persisting? Do you

549
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: take it away and start again. Like in your experience

550
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Speaker 1: of seeing probably millions of families go through these.

551
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Speaker 2: I think is less about volume more about the quality

552
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Speaker 2: of what you're giving them. And I think there's a

553
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Speaker 2: stage where children eat pretty well in the first eleven months,

554
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Speaker 2: and then something has clearly wrong and you're snarled into

555
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Speaker 2: this sense of false security that my child's a good eater.

556
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Speaker 2: And that's because in the first year they grow more

557
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: rapidly than any other time in their entire life, so

558
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: their growth rate slows down, and also life becomes more interesting.

559
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Speaker 2: They're not stuck in a high chair, so it's quite

560
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Speaker 2: natural that they will not want to eat as much.

561
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Speaker 2: And also basically they prefer to eat things that they

562
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Speaker 2: pick up and put into their mouth themselves. So I

563
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Speaker 2: wrote a book all about fingerfoods, my latest book, And

564
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Speaker 2: what I did was I would put all sorts of

565
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Speaker 2: ingredients into a food pressss so chop them up. Maybe

566
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Speaker 2: it's chicken thigh which is twice as rich as the breast,

567
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Speaker 2: with lots of vegetables, of breadcrumbs and some herbs and

568
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Speaker 2: things like that, and then I'd roll it into balls

569
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Speaker 2: and either cooked in the alven or an air fryer

570
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Speaker 2: and they would pick it up with their fingers and

571
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Speaker 2: that word wanders. And the book is all about that

572
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Speaker 2: sort of thing where you put all of these delicious

573
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Speaker 2: like superfoods together to make really tiny food that they

574
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Speaker 2: pick up with their hands that works really well and

575
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Speaker 2: they don't drop it because they like it. Yeah, And

576
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Speaker 2: also in that book are like homemade fruit and vegetable lollies,

577
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Speaker 2: so you can make lollies out of like berry fruits

578
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Speaker 2: and beet fruit, so it can be vegetable and fruit

579
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Speaker 2: lolly or oranges and mango and carrots, and they sounds strange,

580
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 2: but children love them. And also like you can do

581
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: like your own homemade fast food. So I make things

582
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Speaker 2: like my own burgers which are delicious but they've got

583
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Speaker 2: lots of veggies in them, or my own pizzas with

584
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Speaker 2: also hidden vegetable tomato sauce. So there are all sorts

585
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Speaker 2: of things you can give your children to eat that

586
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: they will like and they don't take too long to make.

587
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: And also that you can make in batches and freeze,

588
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: which is good.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bulk, but I just love how all of

590
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Speaker 1: your sneak something in there that otherwise I mean, if

591
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Speaker 1: I put a piece of brocoli in front of him

592
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Speaker 1: that's just steamed with nothing on it. It's probably not

593
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Speaker 1: going to be thrilled with that. But I love the

594
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Speaker 1: way you sneak ingredients in because I think that's half

595
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Speaker 1: the battle. What about if their You mentioned that your

596
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: son was quite picky eater, when they are very finicky,

597
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Speaker 1: like just won't even try new foods. I have been

598
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Speaker 1: told that it can take twenty exposures before they will

599
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: like a food. But you know, do you persist that long?

600
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Speaker 1: What did you do to kind of.

601
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Speaker 3: Get one day?

602
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Speaker 2: And they eat it all up? And then you think,

603
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Speaker 2: this is great, I'm going to make it again.

604
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, make it again. It did like it once, Yeah.

605
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Speaker 2: So I think that I would give it again, obviously,

606
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: but I would try giving it in a different way. So,

607
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Speaker 2: for example, my children did not like boil or steamed cauliflower,

608
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: and then I roasted the cauliflower in the oven and

609
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: it gives it that lovely sweetness and they love that.

610
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: So there's other ways of doing it. And I mean

611
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Speaker 2: they do say you have to try ten to fifteen times,

612
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: and I would try quite a few times, but also

613
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: I would give it a rest sometimes if you find

614
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: something they like and keep on giving it to them.

615
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: You can overdo it and then they don't ever want

616
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: to eat it again their entire life. So I think

617
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: it's about variety, about making sure there's not too much

618
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: on the plate, about making individual portion sometimes. So let's

619
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Speaker 2: say you have a chicken potato pie and make it

620
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 2: in a small ramkin, so it's that individual portion rather

621
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Speaker 2: than slopping it onto a plate. Because they eat with

622
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: their eyes as well as their tummies. Cut up through

623
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Speaker 2: this colorful you know, cut like a pumpkin into a star,

624
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: make things into balls, and there's just a way to

625
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: entice children to eat. I do these like stars, where

626
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: actually I grat carrot and cogette, I mix it with

627
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: egg and cheese and I push it into a star cutter,

628
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: and then I bake these stars in the oven. And

629
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Speaker 2: they absolutely love them. But if they were like all

630
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: mushy and didn't look like a storied out or they'd

631
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: even give them time of day. But they say they

632
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: didn't like something they've never even tried it, I mean

633
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: that's hopeless. You've got to get them to eat the

634
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: first tiny bit of something new. And I also don't

635
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: think that you should give attention for not eating, but

636
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: you give loads of attention for eating an infinite testinary small.

637
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: Thing is something new.

638
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: So if you ignore the bad eating habits, it's not

639
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: so much fun for them to actually make a fuss.

640
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they know they're.

641
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: Not going to get a reaction from you, but they'll

642
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: get the reaction for eating something. And eating together is important.

643
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: Who likes to eat alone? You know they don't like

644
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: that just spooning food into a child's mouth in a

645
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: high chair. So if you eat together with them, I

646
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: think that also helps, or bring a child over is

647
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: a good eater. That's why a nursery they often eat

648
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: better than they eat at home because their friend Johnny

649
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: is eating that, so they're far they'll eat it.

650
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: I've actually heard a lot of babies who have nap

651
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: time problems at home with sleeping. They sleep absolutely fine

652
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: when they're a kinder because every other baby goes to sleep,

653
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Speaker 1: they just copy. I'm like, what do you mean, it's

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Speaker 1: so contrived. They're very clever.

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Speaker 3: They are clever. I guess they're very very wily, these children.

656
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Speaker 1: But they are gorgeous, absolutely, and they has to be

657
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Speaker 1: otherwise it's too hard.

658
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Speaker 2: But it's such a lovely thing that when you have

659
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Speaker 2: me something and you've come cut something that they eat

660
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Speaker 2: is a really good feeling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you feel like a queen. Achievement. It's unbelievable.

662
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Speaker 1: But that's a really interesting suggestion to mix up the

663
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Speaker 1: form factor and that they eat with their eyes, because

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. If they do look enticing, yeah,

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Speaker 1: why would? I mean, we don't like things if they

666
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Speaker 1: look gross, we wouldn't give it a chance. So is

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Speaker 1: very good at that they present everything so well. And

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Speaker 1: I love the idea of cutters, like the shapes.

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Speaker 2: I do cut things in shapes, yeah, which it does

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Speaker 2: make it a difference.

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Speaker 1: What about new foods, So if you are introducing I

672
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Speaker 1: think I watched one of your videos the other day

673
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Speaker 1: about spices, which are you know right now at Teddy's palette,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't really had too much. Like we've introduced a

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Speaker 1: lot of things broadly, but he hasn't had curry, for example,

676
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Speaker 1: he hasn't had chili or like. There are lots of

677
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Speaker 1: spices that are quite pun and or potent that he hasn't.

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Speaker 2: You can make them a bit more mile So I

679
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: made up a feated chicken which was absolutly delicious and

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Speaker 2: had a bit of cumen in it, and it's not spicy,

681
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Speaker 2: but it gives it a lot of flavor, and children

682
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Speaker 2: absolutely loved it. I'm thinking making it into a ready

683
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Speaker 2: meal because it was so delicious. Gara masala is very good.

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Speaker 2: I use a lot of time and herbs like that

685
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Speaker 2: because you can't really add salts. You've got to add

686
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Speaker 2: flavor otherwise it's really boring. So I think it's really

687
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Speaker 2: good to use herbs and basil and all of that

688
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: is something that children really enjoy.

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Speaker 1: What about treats? So I have a couple of friends

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Speaker 1: who had very, very fussy eaters, and their original hopes

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Speaker 1: and dreams of how they would feed their child had

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Speaker 1: to go out the window because it was like, if

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Speaker 1: I can get him to eat this packet yogurt and

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Speaker 1: that is the only calories I'm getting hit him today,

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Speaker 1: then I'm just going to have to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: That's okay. I don't believe in banning treats.

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Speaker 2: My children have chocolate and whatever they wanted, really, because

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Speaker 2: as soon as you ban them, they become the forbidden

699
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Speaker 2: fruit and they want it all the more.

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Speaker 1: So there's still.

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Speaker 2: So basically, my children, I just made my healthy food

702
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Speaker 2: taste so good that they weren't particularly interested in the

703
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Speaker 2: chocolate and the biscuits, but it was always there for them.

704
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Speaker 2: And there isn't such a thing as a really bad food.

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Speaker 2: It's how much you eat.

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Speaker 3: Of that food.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my children would go to my dolls have

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Speaker 2: a chicken nugget, and I wouldn't say anything, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: But then I would make my own chicken burg as

710
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Speaker 2: we were delicious. It's just what you eat in a

711
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: week that matters, really, not what you eat in a

712
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Speaker 2: particular day. And actually it's the frequency with which children

713
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Speaker 2: eat sugary food that is the worst thing. That's what

714
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Speaker 2: damages their teeth because then the sliv never has a

715
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Speaker 2: chance to wash it away. So if the child are

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Speaker 2: going to have chocolate, give at the end of a meal,

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Speaker 2: but not between meals. Yeah, And even things like raisins

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Speaker 2: they stick to teeth as well. And a lot of

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Speaker 2: these fruit snacks it says one hundred percent fruit, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it doesn't tack your teeth because fruit sugar

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Speaker 2: is also sugar. So I think that a lot of

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Speaker 2: the things in the supermarket that are like healthy snacks

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Speaker 2: are not that healthy and can do a lot of

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Speaker 2: damage to children's teeth. And in the UK a lot

725
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Speaker 2: of children are going under general anstatic before the age

726
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Speaker 2: of four to have teeth extracted, mostly because of these snacks,

727
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Speaker 2: you know, like fruit leather. That's so bad for children's teeth. Wow,

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Speaker 2: you have to be careful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would never have thought of the order

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Speaker 1: of offering chocolate, like I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Have spend of a meal between meals.

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Speaker 1: What are some other tips like that that you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: think of until you get to speak to sit down

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Speaker 1: with someone like you who's such an expert, or things

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Speaker 1: that you know parents have asked you that your surprise,

736
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Speaker 1: they don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually a lot of it is early on. It's

738
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Speaker 2: all about like what foods could cause choking. So if

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Speaker 2: you're in a cut a carrot and you cut it

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Speaker 2: into round shapes, that is a choking hazard. You need

741
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Speaker 2: to cut it into batons. If you're going to have

742
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Speaker 2: a large strawberry, that's fine, you can suck on that.

743
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Speaker 2: But a small strawberry it is a choking hazard. You

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Speaker 2: have to cut it into quarters. And on the app,

745
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Speaker 2: we show every single food and vegetable and how to

746
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Speaker 2: cut it so that your child doesn't choke. But the

747
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Speaker 2: thing that a lot of parents don't realize is that

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Speaker 2: gagging is a natural reflex and that's how children learn

749
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Speaker 2: and not to choke, and that they will gag. They'll

750
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Speaker 2: all gag, and nature is very clever and the gagging

751
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Speaker 2: reflects and a young child is very far forward in

752
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Speaker 2: their mouth, so gokough, cough, cough, and they go red

753
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Speaker 2: in the face, and the best thing is not to interfere.

754
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Speaker 2: But a lot of parents then stop giving their children

755
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Speaker 2: any finger food choking and they have the other hand

756
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Speaker 2: is when they go blue and they go silent and

757
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Speaker 2: their airway is blocked. So you've got to understand the

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Speaker 2: intertween gagging and choking. You've got to let them get

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Speaker 2: on with the gagging, because that is how they learn

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Speaker 2: how to swallow. It's a hard thing, but if you

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Speaker 2: know that's natural, then you understand that just let them

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Speaker 2: get on with it. They sort themselves out. They're pretty

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Speaker 2: good at that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually fascinating because I think, I mean, choking

765
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Speaker 1: is a parent's a worse night mare, of course, like

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Speaker 1: literally the worst case scenario. And I think it's also

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Speaker 1: because it's something unlike all the other risks that you face.

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Speaker 1: There are a million risks that children and parents face,

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Speaker 1: but it's the one that you feed them three times

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Speaker 1: a day, so it comes up more.

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Speaker 2: You do worry about it and never leave them alone, obviously.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is about allergies, Like specific allergies

773
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Speaker 2: are not inherited. So let's say you have an allergy

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Speaker 2: to peanuts. It isn't necessarier that your child's going to

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Speaker 2: have that allergy. What is inherited, however, is the propensity

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Speaker 2: to have an allergy. So that means if you have

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Speaker 2: exma or asthma or hay fever, your child may have that.

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Speaker 2: And it's the children have EXMA who are most at

779
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Speaker 2: risk of having a food allergy. So in fact, if

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Speaker 2: a child has very severe X march an early age,

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Speaker 2: they're very likely to have a food allergy. And in

782
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Speaker 2: some cases, and this sounds really odd, in some cases

783
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Speaker 2: you need to give them an under medical supervision peanut

784
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Speaker 2: butter at four months, not six months, because you have

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Speaker 2: this window of opportunity we're giving this potentially allergenic food

786
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Speaker 2: can help to actually stop them getting their allergy. And

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Speaker 2: when I was a mother, they would not give babies

788
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Speaker 2: peanut butter until nine months, and the instance of peanut

789
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Speaker 2: allergy went right sky high. And then they did this

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Speaker 2: trial with giving children peanut butter very early on, and

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Speaker 2: the ones who had the peanut butter early on were

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Speaker 2: the ones who didn't develop the allergy. And the other

793
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Speaker 2: thing is that in England the common asalergies actually to eggs,

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Speaker 2: not dairy, but eggs. Really in my day that meant

795
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Speaker 2: you could not give any eggs, no biscuits, no cakes,

796
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Speaker 2: no nothing. Now they know that you can have baked eggs.

797
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Speaker 2: Some children who are allergic to like omelet or scrambled eggs

798
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: can actually tolerate eggs in a muscle or something a

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Speaker 2: muffin or in a meat ball, and by having a

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Speaker 2: small amount of egg in whatever form may well help

801
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Speaker 2: them grow out of that egg allergy. So all these

802
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: things are really important to know because it may not

803
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Speaker 2: be forever. Not all allergies are life threatening allergies well

804
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: also like peanuts are more life threatening than egg or dairy,

805
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: but you know important And also a lot of parents

806
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: like they think their child has an analogy when they

807
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Speaker 2: actually don't because often gastroentritis is followed by a period

808
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: of intolerance to anything dairy, and then they think, oh,

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Speaker 2: my child's got a dairy aalergy. I have to take

810
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: everything dairy out of their diet, which is quite difficult actually,

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Speaker 2: so it's best to get it properly tested. I think

812
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: when you think your child has an analogy, and after

813
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Speaker 2: they say eighteen months, two years, try again. And there's

814
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Speaker 2: a milk ladder where you give a biscuit with a

815
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Speaker 2: small amount of milk and see if they can grow.

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Speaker 3: Out of it.

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Speaker 2: Because allergies are not that common and it is more

818
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: difficult to give your child a bounced out if you

819
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Speaker 2: have to avoid a common food group.

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Speaker 1: It's so fascinating how something seem really counterintuitive, Like I

821
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Speaker 1: know there's you know, we all go through the allergy

822
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Speaker 1: testing at the beginning, and then the instructions are make

823
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Speaker 1: sure you re expose them regularly.

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Speaker 3: Isn't given peanut right, that's great?

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Speaker 2: My child would have an argue, no, no, no, You've got

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Speaker 2: to give it like twice a week, and you just

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Speaker 2: wouldn't think of that.

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Speaker 1: No, gosh, there's so much admin to feed his children.

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Speaker 1: But also another thing that you said that I'd actually

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Speaker 1: saved this post on your page the other day that

831
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Speaker 1: you think that the bigger the food, the more likely

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Speaker 1: it is to be a choking hazard. But actually the food,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, needs.

834
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Speaker 2: To be bigger, smaller, ash it is or you cut

835
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Speaker 2: them in.

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Speaker 1: Half and again choking and gagging. Like, there are just

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Speaker 1: so many things that it's so valuable to have this information.

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Speaker 1: I love that your page is constantly reaffirming these messages,

839
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Speaker 1: so it's just giving you're getting the reminders.

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Speaker 2: It's giving you this what you need to know in

841
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Speaker 2: order to be able to feed your baby and feel

842
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 2: confident and feel in control. But there are two critical

843
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Speaker 2: nutrients that babies often don't get enough of, and one

844
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Speaker 2: of those, and you were talking about brisket, is iron.

845
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Speaker 2: Iron is so important first of all, like particularly for

846
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Speaker 2: a premature baby hasn't got the iron stores that a

847
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Speaker 2: full time baby has. But iron really you need to

848
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Speaker 2: give iron rich foods twice a day, which sounds like wow,

849
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Speaker 2: that sounds really difficult, but it's not. Because you can

850
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Speaker 2: give porridge which contains iron. However, if you give a

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Speaker 2: meat source of iron, like red meat or the dark

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Speaker 2: meat of the chicken or egg, that is well absorbed

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Speaker 2: by a baby or a child or an adult. But

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Speaker 2: if you give spinach or porridge or something contains iron

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Speaker 2: which is plant based, you can't absorb it unless you

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Speaker 2: have written and see at the same meal. So you

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Speaker 2: think you're giving you a child iron, but you're actually

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Speaker 2: not because you're not absorbing it.

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Speaker 1: So it's the.

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Speaker 2: Combination of things that children eat that is really important.

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Speaker 2: So if you're going to have porridge, put it together

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Speaker 2: with berries, and the other thing is essential fatty acids

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00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: omega threes. Our brain is made up primarily of omiga threes,

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Speaker 2: so it's very important for the development of a baby's

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Speaker 2: brain to have oily fish and also for their visual

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Speaker 2: development and to boost their immunity. And a lot of children,

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Speaker 2: especially if they're brought up on like package baby food,

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Speaker 2: do not get oily fish. You really have to cook

869
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Speaker 2: it yourself. And salmon is such a great food and

870
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Speaker 2: they should have it twice a week.

871
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: It's really important.

872
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: I make this really delicious meal, and it's just you

873
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: can cook the salmon in a microwave and then I

874
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: saute tomatoes with a little bit of cheese, and then

875
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: I add some steam carrots, and I put the salmon

876
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: and the steam carrots, tomato and cheese sauce together and

877
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: I blend it and it's absolutely delicious and I want

878
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: to eat it.

879
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: I love how many of your receipes I save all

880
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Speaker 1: of the words. If they're lessen five ingredients, I'm.

881
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Speaker 3: Like, that is me.

882
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: That's doable. And it feels you feel so accomplished when

883
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: you make something at home.

884
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, as well, you can't go on it's like step

885
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: by step.

886
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: It's so easy.

887
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the app like and you have

888
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: it in your pocket so or in your bag, and

889
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: so when you go into the supermarket, you'll never be

890
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: at a loss of what to cook. You can just

891
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: put in broccoli, chicken six months old, or I want

892
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: to make something for my family's dinner. And there's just

893
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: so many recipes there that are simple and quick, will

894
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: be delicious and you can freeze. You know, it's been

895
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: my life's work that out.

896
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Speaker 1: Really.

897
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: I think it's just so easy to use it in

898
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: a way, it's better than the book because you can

899
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: do can't do with a book. Yeah, it's always with.

900
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: You on what are the most popular recipes? Are you

901
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: surprised ever by the ones you put out and then

902
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: the deck like do you say the downloads.

903
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Speaker 2: Of specific Yes, I mean they are the really simple ones.

904
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Speaker 2: So also is really popular anything really? Yeah? I mean

905
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: like I do a carrot tomato cheese sauce with orso

906
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 2: that's really popular. And then I created because my son

907
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: would not eat chicken. I made these chicken and apple

908
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: balls because you liked apple, so I thought if I

909
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: put the apple with the chicken, that might get them

910
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: to eat it. So I took chicken thigh because it's

911
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: really rich and iron, and I mixed it with some

912
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: bread crumbs, some chopped onions, some thyme egg, and the

913
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: chicken and grated apple and mid into little balls. And

914
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: again you can bake them in the oven, you can

915
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: cook in the air fryer. He absolutely loved them. From

916
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: that day on, he loved chicken. So my chicken apple

917
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: walls are like one of my signature recipes. They were

918
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: in my first book, The Complete Baby and Tittle Meal Planner,

919
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: which is still a huge best seller. It must come

920
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: into nineteen different variations of that book. Nows. I keep

921
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: on updating it recipes to it, but it's a really

922
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: really popular book. And my lentil pures are really popular

923
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: that babies like lentils, and nobody would think of doing that.

924
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: And then strange combinations like my avocado and banana mash together.

925
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh have we do that? And that was by accident.

926
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Speaker 2: I know. It's so good that and it's also something

927
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: you can take with you. And there's one recipe which

928
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: sounds like wow, that sounds awful, but actually babies love it.

929
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: It's whitefish. I use cold and then I put orange

930
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: juice on it, and I put grated cheese and crushed

931
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: corn flakes and I put it in the micrave and

932
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 2: it takes like two and a half to three minutes.

933
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: And the orange juice and the cheese and the corn

934
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: flakes they mix with the fish. It's absolutely delicious and

935
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: it's so quick and easy, and people go crazy for it.

936
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: But now it's in the pallet.

937
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: It's an amazing it's an amazing recipe.

938
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

939
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: And in this book, which is a fun, fast and

940
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: easy cookbook, which is a cookbook for teaching children how

941
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: to cook, I do these cookies. They are unbelievable. They

942
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: oat and raisin cookies. They only have like six ingredients.

943
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: We make them every week at home. They are the

944
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: best cookies you'll ever have, and you cannot go wrong

945
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: with them. You just put all the ingredients together in

946
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: a bowl, roll them together, flatten it onto a baking dish,

947
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: and ten minutes later you've got these homemade oat and

948
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: raisin cookies. The whole house smells so inviting and incredible.

949
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: They're so good, it's amazing. And I'm doing an influencer

950
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: event tomorrow and I'm making my carrot cake energy balls

951
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: and they're really good. They've got no sugar in them.

952
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: They're made with dates and oats and some raisins, some

953
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: grated carrots and they're just like all put together and

954
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: you don't need to cook them at all, and some

955
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: desiccated coconut. They're absolutely fabulous. Again, great stack. And that's

956
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: in my finger food book.

957
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: This is a whole wanting so many recipes.

958
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: It's so quick and so easy and like, just make

959
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: your life. I mean, I think food is so important.

960
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: Can you imagine life without food?

961
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: I honestly think about.

962
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: Food all the time.

963
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: I think about what I'm going to cook, what are

964
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Speaker 2: I going to eat? What am I going to make

965
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: for dinner? And what Michel and are going to eat.

966
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just I'm sassive food. That's my job.

967
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Speaker 1: That brings up another question I selfishly have with the

968
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Speaker 1: balance between things like cookies or balls or muffins. I

969
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: find it's, you know, pretty safe to assume Tady will

970
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: love a muffin or he'll have a bit of banana bread.

971
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: There's a certain form factor that's kind of soft and

972
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: caky that he'll almost always love. But I want to

973
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: get my iron, my veggies into him. So when it

974
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: comes to the main meal versus dessert or main meal

975
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: versus treat balance, do you sort of offer them both

976
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: in one meal like you would an adult. You'd have

977
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: your main meal, then you'd have dessert, or would you

978
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: do main meal savory and then the cookies would be

979
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: for snacks in between? Is there like a system that

980
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: we should be being guided by so they don't get,

981
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, expect the cookie and then not eat their

982
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: their savory food.

983
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: I think this thing that children need loads of snacks

984
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: during the day is actually not great. And actually, if

985
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: you're going to you've got to think about your snacks

986
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: as being part of their overall good nutrition. So like

987
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: having cut up fruit, because whole fruit and a fruit bowl.

988
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: They just walk past.

989
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: But cut off fruit is very inviting and looks very

990
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: colorful on a plate, So that is a good snack.

991
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: And all these snacks in the supermarket that says it's

992
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: got carrot in it, and when you look on the

993
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: back it's like three percent carrot, which is why eat

994
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: a carrot?

995
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 3: What's wrong with a carrot?

996
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 2: You know? And like cut up carrots have a hommer step,

997
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: and you know, these kind of things are great snacks.

998
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: Or cheese is a great snack, or make a pasta salad,

999
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: that's a great snack. I don't think these packaged snacks

1000
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: from supermarkets. They're just like they're puffed up corn with

1001
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: a spray of carrot on them. For me, there's no

1002
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: place in them. It just fills up a child's time,

1003
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: which is already very small with calories that are not

1004
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: giving them any nutrition. So I think snacks should be

1005
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: a good part of their diet and think of them

1006
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: as fruit and veg cheese, that kind of thing. When

1007
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: they have a good meal, yes I give them a

1008
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: cookie or something, or an ice cream or something afterwards,

1009
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: because that can be it's a good food. Ice Cream

1010
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: has dairy and it. Cookies have the good things in it. Muffins.

1011
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: I do an apple and carrot muffin and they're good,

1012
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: and we all like this, you know, finish with something sweet.

1013
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: But as I said, like sweet things between meals attack

1014
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: children's teeth, and the more like sticky they are, they

1015
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: tax teeth even more. And children are going to have

1016
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: teeth extracted at very young age because we're giving them

1017
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: too many sacks in between meals.

1018
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so join them to the meal, like at the

1019
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: end of the meal.

1020
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: And give them like healthy snacks that won't damage their teeth.

1021
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: Cheese is one of the best things to give cheese cheese,

1022
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: So do we do that? Yes, cheese cheese e morcializes

1023
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: the acid on children's teeth. No way to give us

1024
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: apples at school, and that's the worst thing because apples

1025
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: are acidic and they're not good for your teeth at all.

1026
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Have you found over the years that you've been doing

1027
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: this that I mean, I feel like the literature on

1028
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: parenting generally, but food specifically changes so rapidly that there

1029
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: are some things that we used to do and then

1030
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: suddenly it's like do the opposite, like allergen exposure and

1031
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: things like that.

1032
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: Things changing. Yeah, we're learning all the time. There's so

1033
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: much we need to learn. I mean, we just to

1034
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: make all our bottles up and just put them in

1035
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: the fridge for the whole day, and I can't do that. Yeah,

1036
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: I mean our babies lived, they were fine.

1037
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.

1038
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: You can worry too much sometimes.

1039
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1040
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: And also like breastfeeding, Yes, I mean breastfeeding was great,

1041
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: but if you can't breastfeed your silk child's still going

1042
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: to do well. You formerly don't have to feel guilty

1043
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, it's too much guilt put on parents.

1044
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: But I think you know, home cooking is a joy

1045
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: if it's not too complicated, and I try to make

1046
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: it so easy that you want to do it and

1047
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 2: you feel good about your child eating something you've made.

1048
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: But I also think there are many times in your

1049
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: week when you just can't cook. And then what I've

1050
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: developed in my ready meals, which are frozen and locked

1051
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: in goodness, are a life saver for parents and they

1052
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 2: know that they're child's eating good meal and the child's

1053
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: enjoying it. And it's a great pleasure that I've been

1054
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: able to do that I've been able to create something

1055
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: that wasn't there, that there was only long life food

1056
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: for children. There was nothing frozen, nothing as good as

1057
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: this in Australia and it's really coolt on and I'm

1058
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm really happy. You know, if Natasha hadn't lived and

1059
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: hadn't died young or doubt whether any of this would

1060
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: have happened.

1061
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, what a legacy for her. She couldn't hope

1062
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: to have had a more incredible No.

1063
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: I didn't really understand when I was writing my first

1064
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: book what it would actually global food business. I would

1065
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: never have believed that because I couldn't get the book

1066
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: published for life, you know, at all. And so this

1067
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: has been a dream of mine. And I'm always doing

1068
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: new things. So I'm going to bring out a tablewear

1069
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: range in Australia probably later this year. So we just

1070
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: developed it and that would be lovely. And you know,

1071
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm always doing new restes for my app has new

1072
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 2: recipes every single week.

1073
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

1074
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: There's always a lot going on.

1075
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: And I work with a lot of hotels over the

1076
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: world and do children's menus, I do cruise liners, so

1077
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, all sorts of weird places.

1078
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that is a wonderful place to finish.

1079
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Speaker 1: We weren't recording when you first told this amazing story.

1080
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: But this journey has led you not into all of

1081
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: our households, and if any parent listening hasn't already been

1082
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: introduced to your frozen meals, I mean you will have

1083
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: seen in my stories how much they say of our

1084
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Speaker 1: lives weekly. So I will include all the links, of

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Speaker 1: course to the resources in the show notes. But what

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Speaker 1: are some of the crazy, crazy experiences that this has

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Speaker 1: led you to? You mentioned you were in a downing

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Speaker 1: street with some famous actors, Like, what are some of

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Speaker 1: the craziest rooms you've ended up in that you never expected?

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Speaker 1: And tell us about your charity work.

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Speaker 2: So I was asked to present paul Charity of the

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Speaker 2: Year and the winner was a charity called Julia's House,

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Speaker 2: and it was a hospice for children who have life

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Speaker 2: threatening diseases and will probably die by the age of thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of it, so I thought I would

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Speaker 2: go and visit them. But I thought me going to

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Speaker 2: visit them would be quite boring, but me going to

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Speaker 2: visit them with my dogs would be much more entertaining.

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Speaker 2: So I brought my dogs and the children had the

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Speaker 2: best time, and then I just thought they don't get

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Speaker 2: any public funding. What can I do to help them?

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Speaker 2: And I'd been to a few cocktail parties at Downing Street,

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Speaker 2: which is the government okay, number ten.

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Speaker 1: Number ten, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a Samantha Camera at the time, and she'd

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Speaker 2: had a child who had been to a hospice. I

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Speaker 2: even know she died very young as well. And I

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Speaker 2: wrote her and I said, like Amnuel Carmel, I sent

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Speaker 2: us some of my books. She said, oh, I know

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Speaker 2: exactly who you are, and I used your books.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows you never need to introduce yourself.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so she said, yes, you know, you pick a

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Speaker 2: date and we'll host it. And then the original hospice

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Speaker 2: was in Dorset in the country, and I looked up

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Speaker 2: all the people that lived in Dorset and one of them.

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Speaker 1: Was Guy Ritchie.

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Speaker 2: So I invited, well, we invited him. Most people don't

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Speaker 2: turn down an invitation to Downing Street. And he came

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Speaker 2: with his wife. Was very stunning, and he was very

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Speaker 2: taken with the charity. And he then said he wanted

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Speaker 2: to go and visit the charity where they have this

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Speaker 2: beautiful building and the children can come there and be

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Speaker 2: looked after. And also like when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: end of their life they can actually be there with

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Speaker 2: their parents.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful place and he.

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Speaker 2: Was so taken with it that he decides that he

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Speaker 2: would do an event in his country house in Dorset

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Speaker 2: and invite a few of his friends. And his friends

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Speaker 2: happened to be Robert Downey guy, so this is quite

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Speaker 2: an event and he had a shoot I think it

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Speaker 2: was Clay pidge and shooting, not actual live animals, and

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Speaker 2: a lunch and he raised one and a half million

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Speaker 2: pounds and with that we built another hospice in Wiltshire

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Speaker 2: and Robert down Junior was kind enough, he was doing

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Speaker 2: iron Man at the time to give a lot of

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Speaker 2: the props from iron Man to the hospital, so when

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Speaker 2: you walk in it's like this huge iron Man, like

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Speaker 2: all the whole thing and like and there's amazing and

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Speaker 2: it was just amazing what they did. And yeah, so

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Speaker 2: they have two hospices now and I think people don't

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Speaker 2: realize that it's a massive pressure on the family. Very

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Speaker 2: often they have one child who's terribly sick and two

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Speaker 2: other children and then the hospice will take the sick

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Speaker 2: child for a day so they can spend time with

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Speaker 2: the other two children and very often, like parents split

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Speaker 2: up because of the pressure and the stress, and it's

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Speaker 2: just a wonderful thing. And I felt so like akin

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Speaker 2: to it because my child died in a cold hospital

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Speaker 2: and I know what it's like to lose a child,

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Speaker 2: and also like, you know, helping them get over the

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Speaker 2: death of their child. And you know, I go there

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Speaker 2: and I see the children and I do a lot

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Speaker 2: of work with them, and recently we had a lot

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Speaker 2: of fun. We've got a lot of like these beautiful

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Speaker 2: statues and I have lots of different people painting them

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Speaker 2: and they're all over at the city. And then they

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Speaker 2: went for auction and we raised hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 2: pounds for the hospice. So I've been very active with them.

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Speaker 2: And it's nice to put something back and see the

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Speaker 2: children's faces light up, because even though they have short lives,

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Speaker 2: they can have happy lives. You know, every day really

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Speaker 2: counts when you know that you've have a limited life.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well, what a beautiful way to finish and a belle.

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Speaker 1: You are truly an incredible human being, and it's just

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Speaker 1: been a you. I mean, you're in our house every

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Speaker 1: night anyway.

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Speaker 3: In your kitchen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I know I say it all the time, but especially

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Speaker 1: in this chapter of my life. Gosh, I feel so

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Speaker 1: lucky to have a platform that just gives me an

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Speaker 1: excuse to sit down with people as clever as Annabelle. Literally,

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Speaker 1: her brand has been all over our home for months now,

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Speaker 1: and then I use she's coming to Australia and would

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Speaker 1: be open to jumping on the show. It just doesn't

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Speaker 1: get more exciting than this. I'll share the link to

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Speaker 1: her meals, her books and her incredible app that we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: And if you did find this episode useful, please do

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Speaker 1: share with any takeaways or even any questions, tagging at

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Speaker 1: Annabelle Carmel and us to thank her for her time

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Speaker 1: and wisdom and keep growing the neighborhood as far and

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Speaker 1: wide as possible. In the meantime, there are so many

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Speaker 1: more sees of bebe episodes brewing and coming your way

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Speaker 1: on single motherhood, modern working motherhood, expectations, weaning, and so

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Speaker 1: much more. If there's anything that you'd like covered, or

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Speaker 1: any experts you'd like to hear from, please also never

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Speaker 1: hesitate to send a DM. It may take me multiple

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Speaker 1: business days slash business weeks to get back to you,

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Speaker 1: but I will get there eventually. I hope you're having

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Speaker 1: a wonderful week and are seizing your yea. The h