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Speaker 2: There's no age, there's no time frame. Trust the universe

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Speaker 2: bring joy. Be yourself, free yourself. Honestly, your power is

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Speaker 2: your self, which is the weirdest and strangest and hardest

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Speaker 2: lesson to learn. Like you look at every amazing person

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Speaker 2: who's doing something brilliant. They are who they are and

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Cees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly, The best and worst day

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Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing Yay. I'm Sarah

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Speaker 1: Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned fanentrepreneur

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Speaker 1: who swapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha

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Speaker 1: Maiden and Matcha Milk bar. Czya is a series of

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Speaker 1: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

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Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Lovely Yahborhood,

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Speaker 1: We've got another dose of delight this week that'll have

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Speaker 1: you in stitches with the wonderful Tanya Hennessy. As you'll

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Speaker 1: hear Tan discuss in the episode, one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: gifts you can give is a moment of laughter and

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Speaker 1: a little escape from what's been a shit show of

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Speaker 1: a year. Not that anyone needs reminding, and she does

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Speaker 1: that expertly, leading her to become one of our most

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Speaker 1: beloved comedians, presenters, authors, internet creators, and campaigner for adults

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Speaker 1: to be able to order children's meals in pubs. You'll

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Speaker 1: hear from the get go how effortlessly witty, intelligent, empathetic

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Speaker 1: combine self deprecating, relatable humor with some serious and inspiring

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Speaker 1: delivering us everything from the hysterical viral everyday makeup tutorial

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Speaker 1: video to two and nearly three fabulous books. Am I

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Speaker 1: doing this right? Help Self that just came out and

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Speaker 1: a children's book to follow soon. I couldn't help but

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Speaker 1: fall in love with her all over again, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure many of you will too. During this episode, be

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Speaker 1: prepared for a lot of loud laughter in your ears.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys enjoy as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: Tan Hennessy, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Hi, Oh my god. Hi.

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Speaker 1: My voice just changed completely because I'm so excited. We've

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how to come into the podcast, like

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Speaker 2: I never know how to like, hey, I don't know

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I know, and because usually we've been

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Speaker 1: chatting for a while, so it's weird to redo a hello, right.

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Speaker 2: And you're like, Hi, is your bedroom by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, actual bedroom, because we're mid renovation and I have

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Speaker 1: no other like mildly photogenic friendly would show the public

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Speaker 2: No, it's fine, it's awesome. You've got a beautiful house.

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Speaker 2: It's so organized and like.

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Speaker 1: That's because you can only see two percent of it.

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Speaker 2: Now. I know this is an audio platform, but look

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Speaker 2: what I've got. Like in the closest thing to me

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Speaker 2: is a duck, a wooden duck dressed as Santa that

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Speaker 1: It's not even like Hemisphere appropriate, mate, It's ugly as hell.

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Speaker 1: This is the shit that makes my life wonderful. Right.

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Speaker 2: I have a dog called Paul. It's like my dream

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Speaker 2: I tell you I want a dog so bad I

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Speaker 1: Well, I love that you thought the duck wasn't suitable,

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Speaker 2: It's not my favorite thing because you know when you

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Speaker 1: So true. Oh my gosh, you are such a breath

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Speaker 1: of fresh air. I absolutely love how you're a self

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Speaker 1: what are children's meals at cafes, which is like my

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Speaker 2: And then you can have another meal, sort of like

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Speaker 1: You have also just had and I'm so so grateful

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Speaker 1: I'm a chronic oversharer in certain things and then outrageously

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Speaker 1: That is so wonderful. I love the way you just

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Speaker 2: saying to people listening to this podcast, don't have a

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Speaker 2: No one wakes up the top, and if you if

436
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Speaker 2: you do, it's not good for you because you kind

437
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Speaker 2: of have to do all the shit down below. Like

438
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Speaker 2: you know, when I s started in radio as a

439
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Speaker 2: producer and I got like Burger's thrown at me and

440
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Speaker 2: I you know, crazy hours and just being yelled at consistently,

441
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 2: and you know, it's hard on the ego. You kind

442
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Speaker 2: of you just can't survive this unless you desperately have

443
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Speaker 2: something to say or desperately have something you want to

444
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Speaker 2: put into the world. Otherwise it just doesn't work. It's

445
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Speaker 2: too harrowing. It's really fucking hard. Like when I have

446
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Speaker 2: a kid, I'm gonna be like, girl, honestly, do you

447
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Speaker 2: really really want to do this?

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Speaker 1: I really love though that you don't skate over, Like,

449
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Speaker 1: this is why I go back to all these chapters,

450
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Speaker 1: because we're such an instant gratuity focused society that we

451
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Speaker 1: we have a goal, and then we're like, I want

452
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Speaker 1: to be the goal. I want to have a million followers.

453
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Speaker 1: I want to be doing what I love every day.

454
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Speaker 1: Like what this idea that we have to love our job.

455
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Speaker 1: It's such a twenty first century concept. Because of that,

456
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Speaker 1: and because we are lucky to be able to get there,

457
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Speaker 1: a lot of the time people just forget that. Most

458
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Speaker 1: people have so many shitty chapters, Like there are a

459
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Speaker 1: lot of shitty chapters to get to the good bits,

460
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Speaker 1: but I like kind of rehashing them just to remind

461
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Speaker 1: people that everything's a stepping stone and like you just

462
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Speaker 1: can't skip to the end. You wouldn't get to who

463
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Speaker 1: you are without those parts.

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Speaker 2: But I also reckon there's so many like even now right,

465
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Speaker 2: people go, this is the good bit. I'm like, yes,

466
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Speaker 2: it is. That I'm really grateful and I do have

467
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Speaker 2: like the best fucking life. But also like I get

468
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Speaker 2: rejected still constantly. You know, I got rejected the other

469
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Speaker 2: day from a TV show that I really wanted to do.

470
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Speaker 2: I've been denied five times by a prediction particular production company.

471
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Speaker 2: Because my TV show writing is not there yet. It's

472
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Speaker 2: not the writing, it's the idea, you know what I mean,

473
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Speaker 2: Like I constantly, you know, I fail in auditions and

474
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Speaker 2: don't get stuff, and there's so much stuff. Yes, stuff

475
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: is going great, and obviously I'm stoked, but there's so

476
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Speaker 2: much rejection and stuff on the side. You know you

477
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Speaker 2: might do something, but you don't know how you got there,

478
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Speaker 2: and maybe the process wasn't as fun, as easy, as breezy,

479
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Speaker 2: as cute as you would imagine. Because my job is

480
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Speaker 2: to entertain, it's not to go, hey, this is fucking hard.

481
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Speaker 2: Part of what I want to do is create escapism

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Speaker 2: for people, because life is fucking shitty sometimes and a

483
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Speaker 2: lot of people are having a tough time, and I

484
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Speaker 2: want to be like, here's three minutes of a law,

485
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Speaker 2: here's a little bit of a book that might take

486
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Speaker 2: you out of this space. Here's a podcast, here's something

487
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Speaker 2: just because life can weigh on you, and I know

488
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Speaker 2: that feeling, and I want to like pull it away, Like,

489
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Speaker 2: you know, people live fucking hard lives, and to give

490
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Speaker 2: them three minutes of just a bit where they get

491
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Speaker 2: to like click out of that world is amazing. And

492
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Speaker 2: if I can do that for somebody, I'm doing my job.

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Speaker 1: And you were so extraordinary at it, Like I have

494
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Speaker 1: not laughed as hard as I have during your books,

495
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Speaker 1: during your everyday makeup tutorial, like just so fucking hysterical.

496
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Speaker 1: But before we move on to how some of the

497
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Speaker 1: things you touched on just then that I think are

498
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Speaker 1: so important the fact that we do only see the successes,

499
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Speaker 1: we don't see all the stuff that happened along the

500
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Speaker 1: way to get there, and that it can be quite

501
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Speaker 1: consuming to be a creator of joy because yours then

502
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Speaker 1: falls kind of sometimes to the bottom of the list

503
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Speaker 1: in producing all that stuff. Another thing that I picked

504
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Speaker 1: up that I think is so wonderful about your story

505
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Speaker 1: is that you said before, I don't know why I'm

506
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Speaker 1: mentioning all these people, And I think it's because at

507
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Speaker 1: so many key sliding doors, moments or junctions in your life,

508
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Speaker 1: there has been a key person. And we all have

509
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Speaker 1: this idea that you can't phone a front like you've

510
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Speaker 1: got to do it all alone. But YI, the sum

511
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Speaker 1: of the five people you spend the most time with,

512
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Speaker 1: and they're the people who will put you on the

513
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Speaker 1: right path. Or the wrong one depending on who you consult,

514
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Speaker 1: and so your grandfather then the lighting director. I read

515
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Speaker 1: that you moved into radio in the beginning because one

516
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Speaker 1: of the Disney actors that you were dressing suggested it,

517
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Speaker 1: and then the YouTube video started. Because of Jewel's life

518
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Speaker 1: and like an equal stage, there are like key people

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Speaker 1: form key moments, and I love that in your story.

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Speaker 2: Also, this is so nice for you to say this

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Speaker 2: to me, because I don't see myself outside myself, you know.

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Speaker 2: I also like to like give thanks and stuff, like

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Speaker 2: I think it's so weirdly narcissistic to be like, well

524
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Speaker 2: I did it all myself and here I am. That's

525
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Speaker 2: a weird way to be. I always want to be like, hey,

526
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Speaker 2: this person helped me. Fucking thanks to this person, and

527
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Speaker 2: I want to shout them out and give them airtime,

528
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Speaker 2: because no singular person can do anything singularly. They just

529
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Speaker 2: don't think it's possible. Support is a huge part of

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Speaker 2: the arts and creativity. I know there's this like myth

531
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Speaker 2: of creatives being by themselves and being these weird geniuses

532
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Speaker 2: or whatever. I definitely don't fall into that category. I

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Speaker 2: like to be around people. I'm very inspired by people.

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Speaker 2: But the people I'm most inspired by are like people

535
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Speaker 2: at are cotton on, Like I'm inspired by really arguably

536
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Speaker 2: mundane things like that's what really ignites my creativity. Like

537
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Speaker 2: people are like, oh, it's Paris, and I'm like, oh,

538
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Speaker 2: it's a Westfield food court, like it's super weird. But yeah,

539
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Speaker 2: like jewels definitely helped me. Christian Hull really helped me.

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Speaker 2: And you know, my mama is a supporter. Like I've

541
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Speaker 2: had so many fucking amazing people on the sidelines cheering

542
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Speaker 2: me on and helping me. And you know, the thing

543
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Speaker 2: that I did which was really extraordinary is listened. I

544
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Speaker 2: listened when Jules Lue told me to do that thing.

545
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Speaker 2: I listened when my pop said that I couldn't do it.

546
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Speaker 2: I listened when Scott said, there's only don't have a backup.

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Speaker 2: The extraordinary thing about me is not that I do it,

548
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Speaker 2: but it's just that I continue to do it and

549
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Speaker 2: I fucking listen.

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Speaker 1: And I love that because sometimes if we're left to

551
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Speaker 1: our own devices and we listen to our own thoughts

552
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: echoing around in our head, you wouldn't necessarily come to

553
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Speaker 1: the right decision for yourself because you can't see yourself

554
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Speaker 1: outside yourself. And I love that starting in theater doesn't

555
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Speaker 1: automatically mean you were ever going to discover that you

556
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Speaker 1: are wonderful at comedy. You are wonderful at giving us

557
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Speaker 1: a moment of escapism, and somehow you kind of diverted

558
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: in all these weird directions until you found the way

559
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Speaker 1: to deliver that. And now you're there.

560
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: And I just it took me a really long time,

561
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Speaker 2: you know, like one year, like you're one year older

562
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Speaker 2: than me. When I sort of first releastart, I was

563
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Speaker 2: twenty nine, started to get traction on the internet, like

564
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: people think, oh, you know, I'm twenty two. It's not working.

565
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Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, you've just been born. Like you

566
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Speaker 1: know what, Like Ricky.

567
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Speaker 2: Jabase didn't write The Office, which is arguably one of

568
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Speaker 2: the best television series ever to be fucking written until

569
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Speaker 2: it was forty two or forty one or something. You know,

570
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 2: like there's no age, there's no time frame. Trust the universe,

571
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Speaker 2: like it'll come to you when it will happen for you,

572
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Speaker 2: when it's meant to, and if it's not, that's also fine.

573
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my gosh, you are so wise.

574
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Speaker 2: Like I was thinking about doing like what do you

575
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Speaker 2: think about this? Like a motivational sort of comedy motivational

576
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Speaker 2: tour where I'm like, get the fuck up, you could do.

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Speaker 1: This absolutely, It's like, you know, go the fuck to

578
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Speaker 1: sleep the truck. Yeah, like that. But for self help

579
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Speaker 1: books that I mean even the fact that this your

580
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Speaker 1: new book is called help self is just so fricking genius.

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Speaker 1: I love it so much. And the other book, your

582
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Speaker 1: first book. Am I doing this right again? Just touches

583
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Speaker 1: on like everything that all of us are feeling about

584
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Speaker 1: just being like a total mess in life. Before we

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Speaker 1: continue with this installment of yay, just got a little

586
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Speaker 1: hot tip to share as get your legs back out

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Speaker 1: season is upon us. While the pasty glory of my

588
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Speaker 1: immediate post isoskin needed a lot of extra help. Now

589
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Speaker 1: that my skin has a bit of natural color back,

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Speaker 1: I've been absolutely loving Jurgen's Natural Glow moisturizer that has

591
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Speaker 1: a built in gradual glow while deeply hydrating your skin

592
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Speaker 1: at the same time. This way you can build some

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Speaker 1: color gently over several uses, without any streaks or odor

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Speaker 1: and avoiding any flaky dry skin, especially on those knees

595
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Speaker 1: and elbows. I moisturize all over my body daily anyway,

596
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Speaker 1: So building up some bronze while I do so is

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Speaker 1: a drink. The firming range also visibly burns up the

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Speaker 1: skin over seven days, which is always an added bonus.

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Speaker 1: I'll pop the link in the show notes. Now back

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Speaker 1: to the show.

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Speaker 2: We want to scoop. I have not written any of

602
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Speaker 2: my titles of any of my books, including the kids

603
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Speaker 2: book that I just told you about. I've not written

604
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Speaker 2: any of the titles because I can't. I actually, I

605
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: think I even wrote the back of help self a

606
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: bunch of titles that I pitched. I'm wearing pajamas.

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Speaker 1: Underneath, mate, me too. You're lucky. I'm wearing pants to

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Speaker 1: be honest.

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Speaker 2: Thank god. Are you cold? You look like you're like

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Speaker 2: you're bringing a jump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little chills, little chills. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: like thirty degrees yesterday though this I have trust issues.

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Speaker 2: Girls Same. That's what I wanted to call my podcast

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Speaker 2: by the word wait girls same. Okay, So here it is.

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Speaker 2: This is a list at the back end list of

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Speaker 2: titles for this book my publisher Veto Laugh, Live Sorry,

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Speaker 2: Love Laugh Live Sexy The Compass to a Sexy Future

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Speaker 2: self help Handbook for the lazy self help, but sexy

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Speaker 2: sexy self help, like the ultimate guy, just sexy self help.

620
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Speaker 1: Like she was like, no, do you know that they're

621
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Speaker 1: all just using the same three words sexy, self and

622
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Speaker 1: help in different variations.

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Speaker 2: No, because I was like, I just think sexy is

624
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Speaker 2: really funny, and I had accompass to a sexy future.

625
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Speaker 2: And then the last day that I actually really wanted

626
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Speaker 2: this book to be called was Hurricane Hennessy but I know,

627
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Speaker 2: and she was like, no, because that doesn't speak to

628
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Speaker 2: what the book is about. And so I was like, great,

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Speaker 2: I'll use that title for my next book.

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Speaker 1: I know, But Okay, so many things jump out of

631
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Speaker 1: me about this book. Firstly, the goat who has daddy

632
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Speaker 1: issues yoga pose really enjoy that creation. I think it's

633
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Speaker 1: absolutely spectacular. How to make a penis kolata very sexy.

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Speaker 1: Also modern ways to get out of things, Spirituality for

635
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Speaker 1: the lazy, like it you're just you're just saying all

636
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Speaker 1: this stuff none of us will say, but we really feel.

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Speaker 2: I tell you one of my favorite picks in this book,

638
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Speaker 2: I do I do in dote for spirituality And it's like,

639
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Speaker 2: do you know seek somebody who's like don't see a

640
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Speaker 2: man in a van who claims that he knows everything

641
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: about crystals, don't crystalline, yell your wishes at it, don't

642
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: see a medium, ask him if he knows Elvis. You know,

643
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: so dumb, But it's just like this great premise for comedy,

644
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Speaker 2: you know, because we know the joke is obviously I

645
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: don't need to explain it, but like we all know

646
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Speaker 2: what is so societally acceptable, but to pull it so

647
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Speaker 2: far the other way is just like a really great

648
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Speaker 2: space for jokes, which is why I wanted to write

649
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Speaker 2: this book that was like everything that you think of

650
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: self help, pull it, you know, right the other way,

651
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: and just like look at this ludicrous way that you

652
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: could live. And then it sort of smacks you back

653
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: in the face with a bunch of like legitimate help

654
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: and then like lulls again at the end.

655
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: So I know, it's like Peters cleardter deep dive into

656
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: mental health and then back to like sexy yoga goat pos.

657
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this woman is versatile.

658
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: Well see, I really wanted to write a legitimate book

659
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: on career, like a career book about like how you

660
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: blah and manifest inah. But my publishers were like, I

661
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: think you still need to write some comedy. So this

662
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: was a compromise.

663
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like okay, so I'm still a little bit funny. Okay,

664
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: but interesting question. You are the first comedian to come

665
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: on the show in over one hundred episodes. What makes

666
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: a comedian? Like when did you decide? When do you

667
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: kind of become that title in your journey from regular

668
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: radio and just observational humor and just being a general

669
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: hilarious human, Like when does it take the jump into

670
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I am an actual comedian? My realm is comedy? Like

671
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: how do you know you're funny? Because I think I'm hysterical.

672
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: No one else thinks I'm funny, So I'm like, well

673
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: that's just not gonna work really quick. Oh thank you,

674
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't I might take this too seriously

675
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: and like become a next thing.

676
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: You know, you're announcing your Melbourne comedy.

677
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: My tour to my grand audience of two.

678
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: Paul and what's his name? See, you know I used

679
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: to do a lot of stand up. You know, when

680
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: I was like twenty five, twenty six, twenty four, I

681
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: never considered myself a comedian. Then I just knew I

682
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: wanted to make jokes. I think like I was always

683
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: a bit chubby, you know, weird at school, and like

684
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: I just sort of sat into the comedy realm quite well.

685
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: I think they don't say you hear, they say you

686
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: hear comedy. Comedy is like music. It's rhythmic, you know,

687
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: you can hear the ins and outs of jokes. And

688
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: sometimes when you watch like a comedy film, or if

689
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: you ever watch a comedy video, you'll notice that the

690
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: editing is almost a comedian themselves, because the edit has

691
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: jokes in and of itself, and that's like a skill too.

692
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: So I guess like the way I like found out

693
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: maybe I was a comedian was when somebody told me.

694
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I just saw it in the magazine

695
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: one day. It was like Yahoo, not a magazine. It

696
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: was like an article. When I first did my video

697
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: about the realistic makeup to Dray, people like comedian. They

698
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: weren't just like it woman. The description was comedian. I

699
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: was like, well, if this magazine says I am, and

700
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: then like you know, I still do. I still touch

701
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: on darker, deeper stuff, but I just prefer comedy. It's

702
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: also like socialist. It's political it's you know, it's everything

703
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: that's going on. I think comedians get a rap for

704
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: not being smart, but I think comedians are the smartest

705
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: people in the world, absolute and complex people as well.

706
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: And so the more I live and the more I

707
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: hang out with different people and different people's people in

708
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: the world, I realize I am a comedian only because

709
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: I connect with a comedic brain. I connect with other comedians.

710
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: But I don't think being comedian. Being a comedian means

711
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: you are just funny, like you can be for everything,

712
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm also like a woman mental case,

713
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: like I don't know, Like I think there's so many

714
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 2: shades of fucking gray to that. Like, yes, I can

715
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: be funny, but I can also be really thoughtful as well.

716
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: I think that's what's really cool about this day and

717
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: age as well, is that like that intense need to

718
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: put us into discrete categories is kind of fading away.

719
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Like people can be so many different things at once,

720
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and it can change like year or year or month

721
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: to month. You can be an author, and then you

722
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: can be a comedian, then you can be a political

723
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: commentator like you can people are more accepting of you

724
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: exploring all those sides of yourself rather than being like, well,

725
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: what are you just get back in a comedian box?

726
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it wasn't until I did to stand up

727
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: tour last year that people started to be like, oh, okay,

728
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: you're a comedian.

729
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: That's like, yeah, I'm really fucking funny. You're on the

730
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: same page.

731
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: Now this proof, Oh you've done stand ups to your

732
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 2: comedian and it's like, Hamish Blake is one of the

733
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: best comedians in this country. When has he done stand up? Right?

734
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. What about success? The really big part of

735
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: the whole idea of CZA is kind of dropping that

736
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: need to chase success and productivity and be busy all

737
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: the time, which is so natural and such a side

738
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: effect of this day and age. But I think at

739
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: some point we all hit a moment of realizing that

740
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: such a static thing to aim for doesn't last very long.

741
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: Is infinitely measurable, but also not necessarily fulfilling, and kind

742
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: of happiness and fulfillment is maybe a better metric to

743
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: measure where you're at. What's your relationship? A girl? I

744
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: just take other people's codes and rework them. Oh my god,

745
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: you want not writing down something that I just said.

746
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: I didn't quite get it so much to you to

747
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: repeat it, but yeah, you're so right, and I think

748
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: so and it's so nice to hear you say that,

749
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: because that rhetoric does not exist, you know, because people

750
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: just want to be like, you're successful, you're happy.

751
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: Bye. I think we conflate them, like people literally think

752
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: they're the same thing.

753
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you see someone like Justin Bieber or

754
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: Selena Gomez or whatever, these big celebrities who are going

755
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: to this fucking harrowing time and people are like, how

756
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: dare they? It's like money doesn't mean they are happy.

757
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: If anything, I think it almost makes happiness more difficult

758
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: because you don't have the kind of a hustle.

759
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: A different set of rules. So they mind like it's

760
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: hard they see a psychologists. Psychologist doesn't understand them, the

761
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: empathy for these big sleds. And look, I know that

762
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: some of Dustin Bieber's on some shitty things, but I

763
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: also think, like, poor kid, like I feel I do

764
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: feel for him, like I know he's rich, but doesn't

765
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: mean that he doesn't have a body or a soul

766
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: and a heart. And yeah, the mental health doesn't discriminate,

767
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how rich famous you are, Like money and

768
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: fame doesn't mean anything, you know with mental health. Yes,

769
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: I think that success is a complicated thing. I'm not

770
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: driven by success. I'm driven by work. The work, Like

771
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: I want to write this story. I want it to

772
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: like my kids books, Like That's what fills me. Not

773
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: the promotion of the book. I don't really like I'd

774
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: love for people to buy it because I really took

775
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: time to write it and I think the story is good.

776
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, being doing a podcast and doing some

777
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: really good content and having people connect to it is

778
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: like really great. That's what drives me. I think the

779
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: idea of success doesn't exist for me. The only reason

780
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: I care about it is because if people buy it,

781
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: then I can continue to do it.

782
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's part of your process of the experience, not

783
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: as a like destination by itself.

784
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: I learned that a while ago.

785
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting. We all kind of I think we

786
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: all start that way because that's the way society frames success.

787
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: And of course when you're like you start your you know,

788
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: life at fourteen and nine months in a McDonald's making

789
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: five dollars an hour, like it's a good goal to

790
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: have to be like successful and stable and financially secure

791
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But I think we all do

792
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: hit a strange point in our relationships success where you realize,

793
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: actually it's not it's important and it's valuable, but cultivating

794
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: your happiness is a totally separate exercise, Like they're not

795
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: just one and the same thing.

796
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, I get so much joy from writing because

797
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people have been like, oh, can't you

798
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: do some videos? And I'm like, I love to write.

799
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: I love it. I feel like I can tell my

800
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: store wor is really clearly I love like I love words.

801
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: I just and this like writing a narrative. I know

802
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: I should be talking about help stuff. But my STEPU

803
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: Lawis book is like got a full narrative, you know, beginning,

804
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 2: middle and end. It's sixteen thousand words. It's like a

805
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: Babysitters Club meets Hating Elson Ashley.

806
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god, stuff it right there.

807
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: It's funny.

808
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: That is my whole entire childhood. I need to have

809
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: a wait to read it.

810
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very much modeled off Hating Us nationally because

811
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: it's a character called Addison, like you know what I mean,

812
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: And Stevie is this little anxious kid. I've got a

813
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: kid in a wheelchair who's like this fierce she's a writer,

814
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: and it's just it's really diverse, and it's I'm really

815
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: proud of it, and I'm with help self. I'm really

816
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: proud of some of the rhetoric and discussion that there

817
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: is in this book. And so, like, I don't if

818
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: it's successful, great means I can write more. But if

819
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: it's not, I'm also fulfilled in the fact that I've

820
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: written something, got my shit. Some people just cannot put

821
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: pen to paper, and I've fucking done it three fucking times,

822
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't know that's a

823
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: success in itself. Overcoming your own herosies and doubt to

824
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: put your shit on a shelf and go buy my

825
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: shit is a pretty big deal.

826
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that is the perfect segue into the next section,

827
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: which is an ata all the stuff that just blows

828
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: the aa up and causes the shit storm along the way,

829
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: but equally teaches us probably the most important lessons to

830
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: continue on that journey. But before you move to self doubt,

831
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: which is one of the biggest topics of the whole podcast. Yeah,

832
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: it's literally the main recurring theme of course, something I

833
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: think is so interesting and important to delve into. But

834
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: one of the things I picked up just then that

835
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: you said is that you love writing. And I think

836
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: that shone through so much in your first book, being

837
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: the first time that you'd actually penned your form, your

838
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: unique kind of brand of comedy on paper. And I

839
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: think we do get this really intense sense of obligation

840
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: to do the things that we're good at that other

841
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: people like. And so because you're good at videos that

842
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: are hysterical and people love them, it's like, well, why

843
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: an't you're doing more of that? But you don't have

844
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: an obligation to do stuff just because you're good at at,

845
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: especially not to the exclusion of stuff that you actually like.

846
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: And so I was a really good lawyer. I did

847
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: not like it, but I felt like I should use it,

848
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: because like you should use the things you're good at.

849
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: But I love that you're just like, actually, I love writing.

850
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: I was really good at advertising. My minor is an advertising.

851
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

852
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: I know if anyone listens to this podcast hear more

853
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: about me on this podcast and they have on any

854
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: other podcast or any interview I've ever done, they'll be like,

855
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: holy shit, people do I.

856
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Say that, they're like, what did you did you drug

857
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: me before we did this? We're like, oh sorry.

858
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: Really warm, and you like you're an EmPATH and you

859
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: know you care, and I think people like respond to

860
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: that more so than like apathy or like, you know,

861
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: you really want to do this podcast and that passion

862
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: creates passion and you know, like you're you're a fabulous communicator.

863
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: So like that's that's what it is. And that's an

864
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: incredible trait that not every single human being has. So

865
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: that's awesome. But yeah, like I loved advertising and I

866
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: got a scholarship to work at SACI and SACI and

867
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I don't want it, and I

868
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: turned it down when I was on my second year.

869
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: They wanted me like to start and still be at

870
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: Union and I was like, nah, I want to be creative.

871
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 2: And it's the same like I would have made so

872
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: much money. Money doesn't interest me.

873
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: That's so and that's early to have that revelation as well.

874
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Twenty Yeah.

875
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, I'd go you for not needing to go

876
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: down the pathway of having that whole career just to

877
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: like tick it off.

878
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: Oh, because I've never like, like I said, my desire

879
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: to tell stories. My desire to like create is louder

880
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: than any other voice. Like I'm so self doubting, but

881
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: like my desire to create is louder than the self doubt.

882
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, that is just so powerful, the

883
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: idea that we're always going to have all the voices.

884
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: It's just like I turn down the volume on some

885
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: and turn up the volume on others. I think I

886
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: spent the first few years of my career waiting for

887
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: the self doubt to just go. Fine, day I'm going

888
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: to be confident and a sure of myself enough. I

889
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: will have done enough therapy to like not have this feeling.

890
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: Enough life experience. You've hung around enough people, you've done

891
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: enough events, You've done enough fucking bullshit.

892
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: So you're like, I'm here, yeah, but I now I'm like,

893
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: the day I don't have nerves and I'm worried about

894
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: doing a good job is the day I'll be like, man,

895
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: you're complacent, like you don't care about doing a good job.

896
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: It's actually not a bad mechanism to have. You just

897
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: have to not listen to it as if it's true.

898
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got to hear it and then just

899
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: like let it go, which is easy with some things,

900
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: but other things, you know, and like the world's biggest catastrophizer,

901
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: you like, it's actually like listed as a special skill

902
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: on my resume.

903
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: It's LinkedIn. Right, I'm pretty sure I can. I can

904
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: endorse you.

905
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I'll take one thought and magnify it and

906
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: like blow up a workplace over my own thoughts in

907
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: my head. But yes, I have a volume switch that

908
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 2: I can't actually turn off. The knob broke when I

909
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: was about eight.

910
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: And technology these days it's just fucked shit.

911
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: And I've got, you know, an eighty five model, so

912
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: you know it's ship.

913
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, eighty nine like not that much better?

914
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this is both the shittest models, but it's

915
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: the one thing I'm the most fortunate for, this broken

916
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: knob that tells me, here's an idea. What about this?

917
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: You could do something with this? What about this? You

918
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: like this? This an angle for this? What do you

919
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: realking about this? You could do a documentary, You could

920
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: do this. What do you think about this? Why does

921
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: this person do that thing? You could do a documentary

922
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: about prisons, you know, like that thing is louder than

923
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: You're not good enough you're not funny enough. Everyone's going

924
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: to find out that you're not good enough. Everyone knows

925
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: your shit. You're really embarrassing, you know. People think you're

926
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: really cringing, bl blah blah blah. You know, like all

927
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: of those things I hear, but the things that are

928
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 2: lowed or I hate. Let's do this docco about women

929
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: in prison, which is maybe I'm thinking about creating.

930
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do it?

931
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 2: That's the prison?

932
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, I've some people to introduce you to,

933
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: so on Necker Island last year. Piper Kerman. Yes, the

934
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: original Orange is the New Black Lives. I know, I

935
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: know was there. I'm obsessed with prison, crime, everything.

936
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: Girl.

937
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we have to have a whole separate

938
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: conversation about this.

939
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm so obsessed with prison. I

940
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: think it's like the I love stories. It's not much

941
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: my own. It's like anyone's stories, which again ties into

942
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: the fact of the beginning of this chat, where I

943
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: was like, I'll talk to anyone because I'll never discriminate

944
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: against somebody. Someone's got a fucking fear story. You'll never

945
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: know people that you wouldn't expect, like in a Subway

946
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: line have the best stories.

947
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what this show is.

948
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: It's like, always be here for that story. Like my

949
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: story is so fucking boring compared to most people's stories.

950
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: Stop it. It is so interesting, so interesting.

951
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: Oh I'm a white middle class girl. And then I

952
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: just did what I wanted to do and then here

953
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 2: I am. You know what I mean. Like, it's really

954
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: quite basic compared to some people's lifestory.

955
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: But that's what I love about this platform so much

956
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: is that it is an excuse really for me to

957
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: talk to everyone on the spectrum, like for every religion,

958
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: every sexual orientation, every gender, every like it's been just unbelievable.

959
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: Back to what we're talking about again, I'm like so

960
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: impressed with myself. I pulled myself back from a tangent,

961
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: which very.

962
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Really disappointing because now I'm like, fuck, what is it?

963
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: What's the tagent? The fact that your brain goes that

964
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: fast means that if you are able to drown out

965
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: some of the self doubt mechanism I imagine, burnout then

966
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 1: becomes your greater ata because of the inability to tune

967
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: out in the work of whole weakness, which is actually

968
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: the w in your alphabet in the first book, which

969
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: is alphabetized, which really appealed to my OCD.

970
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: It just made it really EASi.

971
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: Why you're like, this is really directing me in a

972
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: nice way. How do you manage that when you're an

973
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: ideas woman?

974
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: I just makeup artist, and I see, I'm all of

975
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: this is the thing. I hear people. I listen to people,

976
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: and then I reg to date. I'm like, but Sarah Laidlaw,

977
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: She's this fucking amazing thing, A makeup artist.

978
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: You know her, She's yeah, when we did the price

979
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: on Runway, well shit, yeah, of course.

980
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, of course, because she's amazing. I'm obsessed

981
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: with her. She's like one of my good friends. I

982
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 2: see her all the time.

983
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Did you see her ISO creations? What the actual fuck?

984
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: I was like, is that? Is that the same? Per

985
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: How are you doing?

986
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: I love people who are just like, fuck off talented.

987
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: It's so exciting, and you're just like, ough, who made you?

988
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: Where are you from? I love you? I love your brain.

989
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Let me just kiss that brain of yours. She reade

990
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: this book and I can't remember the book's name, but

991
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: she said to me, you know, people get ideas all

992
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: the time, it's whether or not you take the ideas.

993
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: You know. You know, sometimes you see on the TV

994
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I fucking had that idea, or that

995
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: was my idea, or that TV show was my idea,

996
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: or I had that invention for Cheetos that you know,

997
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: did this, that and the other, or you know that

998
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: was my book concept. And it's like, because that idea

999
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: probably floated through one hundred thousand people before it landed

1000
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: with you, And the difference is that you took the idea.

1001
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: That's a theory. For me. I've never said no to

1002
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: any of those ideas that have come to me.

1003
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, my way of balance is just not using no.

1004
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like simultaneously excited by ideas as I am

1005
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 2: sometimes drained and exhausted by them. But because I've had

1006
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: this operation, i had two and a half weeks of stillness,

1007
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: which I've never had, like in seven or eight years.

1008
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: Even on holidays. I'm a mental case and making content

1009
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: like all the time. I can't stop. Digital content creation

1010
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: is one of the most exhausting things you'll ever do

1011
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: because it never fucking ends. And what they do is

1012
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: they add more fucking platforms for you to try and

1013
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: create on and it's.

1014
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: Like, you know how they say this is a teachable

1015
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: moment every five seconds, I'm like, this is a content

1016
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: creatable moment.

1017
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: Yes, that's Oprah. Go. It was just like, this is

1018
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: a teaching moment. Don't even start with you. No, I

1019
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: fucking love it, love Oprah. But yeah, I had this

1020
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: two and a half weeks where it's like lad and

1021
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: was really still and didn't do anything, and I just

1022
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: loved it. And you know, twenty twenty one for me

1023
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: is like do the work that you feel passionate about

1024
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: and sometimes that you need to pay bills with, but

1025
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: everything else should bring joy.

1026
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, perfect soundbye for this entire show. I'm

1027
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: just gonna put you on the intro from now on

1028
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: a sound.

1029
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: That's why it gives me so much. I'm I'm a

1030
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: solid was just because I gave a good SoundBite and

1031
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm good for it.

1032
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: Just you are just a walking SoundBite.

1033
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just want to be like happy and

1034
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: I love my boy heap, so I want to probably

1035
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: give them a little bit more time because I'm a

1036
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: bit busy.

1037
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: More risk, more risties, Oh my god, amazing. Okay, but

1038
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: I have that exact same problem. Everything is a content

1039
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: creatable moment, particularly if it's a shareable girl could create

1040
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: an urha moment for someone else kind of moment. Yes,

1041
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: And I find your job is to entertain. Mine is

1042
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: to spark joy or kind of aha moments in self development. Yeah,

1043
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: but I feel like that makes it very difficult when

1044
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: I have clitical anxiety that flares every now and then,

1045
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: or I just have a breakdown, which happens more regularly

1046
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: than I like to admit. You know, how do you

1047
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: balance the mental health level?

1048
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: It's different every time. Like my manager always is like

1049
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: or lost it? You know what? I like from this

1050
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: one day message here and I was like, oh, I

1051
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: can't identify things are real or not. She was like, okay,

1052
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: someone needs some time off.

1053
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm just going to clear the calendar.

1054
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: But then she's like, are you good for like in

1055
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: two weeks. I'm like, oh, I can go back to

1056
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: work now. Like it's quite fleeting, and I've just kind

1057
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: of come to the terms with that. A lot of therapy,

1058
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: a lot of therapy and different therapists, like I talk

1059
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: about it in my book, I will see a psych

1060
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: I'll see a reiki therapist. I'll see a healer, I'll

1061
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: see a psychic, I'll see a medium, all in the

1062
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: same week if I really need it.

1063
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: And that's just like a Monday, Monday, Monday.

1064
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I do a lot of gratitude as well,

1065
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: which is really really really good for mental health, and

1066
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: I've only recently learned about. That's the why. Just before

1067
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: I go to bed and every morning I say three

1068
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: things I'm really grateful for and they can't do the

1069
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: same thing.

1070
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: It's actually life changing. Like I used to laugh at it.

1071
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: I was like those like woo woo people with their

1072
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: gratitude journals, and now I'm like, it actually changes your

1073
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: entire relationship to the world.

1074
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people are like, oh, it's so lame. I'm like, well,

1075
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: then if it's lame and doesn't do anything, why don't

1076
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: you do it for a week? If it's so shit

1077
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: and doesn't matter, And if it doesn't do anything, you've

1078
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: not wasted any time, and if you have, it's great,

1079
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: so just do it. Good one does change people's Like

1080
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: it's changed my life because I've always been like that

1081
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: girl too, being like ooh, and now I'm like, Tom,

1082
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: what do you give gratitude for? Actually when we're in

1083
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: the jungle dial Rook, he did. We did gratitude for

1084
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: every meal and it was really cool to go around

1085
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: the circle and be like, what are you grateful for?

1086
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: And hearing different other you know, other people's perspective on

1087
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: their gratitude is cool. So I wouldn't kind of put

1088
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: it into my family a little bit. Just don't want

1089
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: to hear what they perceive the world to be and

1090
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: what they are grateful for and how that might differ

1091
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: or be the same as mine.

1092
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

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00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: Well.

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00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: Before we move on to the last section, which again

1095
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I do every time, I've not left any minutes for

1096
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: but just quickly, what would be your biggest help self

1097
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: tip that you would like people to take away from

1098
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: the book, Or if they don't have a copy and

1099
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: haven't read it yet, what is like the gateway drug

1100
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: that's going to make them buy the book?

1101
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's cool.

1102
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: It's hard to answer that about your own book.

1103
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: No, it's a good one. It's good. It's you're so thoughtful.

1104
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: I would say that if you are I, or have

1105
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: had a really shit year where you felt really unmotivated

1106
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: or just confused about where you sit in the world,

1107
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: or this year has turned upside down for you, or

1108
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: even if it hasn't, but you just feel a little

1109
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: bit affected by the change in the world. I'd say

1110
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: this book is going to give you not only some laughs,

1111
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: but I also think it's going to motivate you. And

1112
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: it's not going to change the world, this book, but

1113
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: it might change your outlook, and sometimes or you need

1114
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: to change is your outlook.

1115
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: I actually think that is how you change the world.

1116
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: By changing people's outlook and by giving them a laugh,

1117
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: like that makes the world a better place.

1118
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: What it's sometimes life is hard, but you know, having

1119
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: three different types of rocky road recipes is fucking funny

1120
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: and just so stupid, and sometimes the world needs more stupidity,

1121
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: you know. But also like to team that with some heart.

1122
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: There's a great quote in there that is actually not

1123
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: my own, because again I listen to a lot of

1124
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: people and take their advice. It's from Arnold Schwartzeneggar, and

1125
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: he says, you can either have results or excuses, so

1126
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: choose and choose. And for me that that piece of

1127
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: advice has changed my life. And so there's no extreme

1128
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: quote like that in there, but that quote will kick

1129
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: you in the dick, and then this book is the

1130
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: next step actually making it happen.

1131
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: I also love in the lead up to the festive

1132
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: season that whole section on like adult cheese platters that

1133
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: will lame and boring, and how you've totally given me

1134
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: permission to just put chicken and cheese twisties right in there.

1135
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck yes.

1136
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: Because I just think there's all these like weird rules

1137
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: about being an adult that I fucking don't subscribe tos

1138
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: of candles, have this chocuitary board, we're heels, friends talk

1139
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: about this. I'm like, I don't give a shit about

1140
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: any of that. Like, I don't like small talk, I

1141
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: don't like I don't know, be yourself, free yourself honestly, Like,

1142
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: if you're trying to adhere to some people, some ideal

1143
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: of who you think you should be, this book will

1144
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: tell you don't be that fucker. No one's interested. You're

1145
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: power is yourself, which is the weirdest and strangest and

1146
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: hardest lesson to learn. Like you look at every amazing

1147
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: person who's doing something brilliant. They are who they are,

1148
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: and you like them because they are who they are,

1149
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: So be who you are.

1150
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's absolutely again another sound by it.

1151
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm just going to make you my introduction now twenty

1152
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: twenty one season brought to you by Down your Head.

1153
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 2: I'll do it.

1154
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Very last section Playta, where we unravel all the things

1155
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: about you that are your title as a comedian, your

1156
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: title as a content creator, all the things that are

1157
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: productive and busy about you. What other things that you

1158
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: do purely for play and I kind of describe them

1159
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: as things that make you forget what time it is.

1160
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a good one, and no one does that

1161
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: because everyone alays knows what time it is because it's

1162
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: usually on their phone. Okay, So I would say I

1163
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 2: like to read, Oh good this year, I have read

1164
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: fucking every children's book ever and it's been so fun

1165
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: and playful and kids are so great and innocent and lovely,

1166
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: and I love children's books. So I've read a good

1167
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: forty two kids books, like adult like junior fiction. So

1168
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: it's you know, like Morris lights Man and Paul Jennings and.

1169
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Much of you sitting at the table with your like

1170
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: kid's meal, reading spot the dog, like.

1171
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: Grow the fuck up. And I'm no, because created creativity

1172
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: lives in a child brain so I'm going to keep

1173
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: my child brain still payment tax, pay my mortgage. You

1174
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: did not just dab thirty five, just dabbed. What else

1175
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: do I do that? It makes me forget the time? You know,

1176
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: I like to hang out with my friends and do

1177
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: something really dumb, like go like a random karaoke, like

1178
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: a random plan, you know, when you're like with people,

1179
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to this weird tiki bar for no reason,

1180
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: Like let's go to a photo shoot, any sort of spontaneous.

1181
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: A friend who's like fucking insane and I'm obsessed with

1182
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: her talk about it in my book. She came to

1183
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: San Francisco with b for a Pixar job with four

1184
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: days notice, like she's mental, like and we just had

1185
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: so much fun in San France, Cisco, didn't sleep, had

1186
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: pancakes at three am, like anything that makes you feel alive,

1187
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: like camel riding.

1188
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yep, I'm gonna go. That's what happened

1189
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: to us. That's how we ended up at the Hemsworst

1190
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: Christmas party. Yeah. New Year's party was two days before.

1191
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: They were like, so we're in San Diego and we

1192
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we're in Melbourne and they're like oh,

1193
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: come to San Diego and we're like, oh, it's the

1194
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: thirtieth of December, Like, yeah, cool, just get on plane.

1195
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: We're like, okay, I love that, And I do talk

1196
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 2: about that in my book about like breaking habits because

1197
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: people love to be habitual. The all do you get

1198
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: you become like a kid again, sleep this time, work

1199
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 2: this time, do this, break that fucking habit. How fun

1200
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: is it? Like I know that you would have had

1201
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: fun in San Diego randomly on like a one day bender.

1202
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we went. Yeah, like we were for like three days,

1203
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: Like we literally flew for three days to spend three days.

1204
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: It was amazing.

1205
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: What is money for if it is not for three

1206
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: days of like miscellaneous travel your whole life and don't

1207
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: do this job if it come bring you like an

1208
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 2: extreme amount of joy and people who are guilty fulfilling joy.

1209
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: Why love love your fucking shit, do dumb stuff. That's

1210
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: why a duck on fucking skates wearing a fucking Christmas

1211
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: vest by it do it.

1212
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: Also, I think his name should now be Kevin with

1213
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: a C seven. Okay, at this point, we had clearly

1214
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: been having so much fun that we missed the fact

1215
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: that Tanya had an appointment, so we didn't have time

1216
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: for the second last question, the three interesting things that

1217
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: don't normally come up in conversation, although I feel like

1218
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: she's speckled so many of them through the episode. So

1219
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: we're finishing up with Tan's favorite quote.

1220
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: Oh, my favorite quote is I got so many okay,

1221
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: no day of it today from Rent because Rent is

1222
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 2: the best musical ever. I've got go instead where there

1223
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: is no path and leave a trail because I've lived

1224
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: my life by that. And the other one is the

1225
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: quote about excuses and results. Oh, and I have one more.

1226
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: I got four Okay. The other one is I'd rather

1227
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: be terrified and do it than to be terrified and

1228
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: not do it, because either way you're terrified.

1229
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god, most amazing way to end, Tan,

1230
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You are an absolute legend, and

1231
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: just appreciate you so much.

1232
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I appreciate you. You're so smart and wonderful.

1233
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I did this podcast. You're a

1234
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 2: little angel.

1235
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: I actually adore this woman, and I hope you guys

1236
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: felt as much yay as I did during our chat.

1237
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I think we both forgot we were recording for most

1238
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: of it, so I hope the full unleashing of our

1239
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: crazy didn't blow your ears off this week. It's been

1240
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: a year since our first and only live show with

1241
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: Olivia Molly Rodgers, which reminds me how often I do

1242
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: forget who's listening or that anyone is actually listening, So

1243
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: how much it truly means when you guys share what

1244
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: you thought or took away from the show on socials,

1245
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: because otherwise we don't get to hear from you. Please

1246
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: do send tans love if you enjoyed listening, tagging at

1247
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: Tanya Hennessy and myself so we can reshare and keep

1248
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 1: spreading the YA. Only a few episodes to go this

1249
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: year and will be taking a little break in January

1250
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: to plan out a bigger and brightered twenty twenty.

1251
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 2: One for you all.

1252
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: Hope you're all seizing your yea