1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:23,014 --> 00:00:23,214 Speaker 2: Hi. 5 00:00:23,374 --> 00:00:26,494 Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast, 6 00:00:26,534 --> 00:00:31,214 Speaker 1: The Quickie. How's your mental fitness Today? Our over stimulated 7 00:00:31,254 --> 00:00:32,934 Speaker 1: minds are gearing up for the end of the year, 8 00:00:33,094 --> 00:00:34,974 Speaker 1: and for some it might throw a bit of a 9 00:00:34,974 --> 00:00:37,654 Speaker 1: spanner into the brain works. Today we're going to find 10 00:00:37,694 --> 00:00:40,134 Speaker 1: out how some of the country's most love celebs stay 11 00:00:40,214 --> 00:00:43,054 Speaker 1: mentally fit and how we can put that into practice, 12 00:00:43,294 --> 00:00:45,854 Speaker 1: like a little wait session for that big brain of yours. 13 00:00:46,014 --> 00:00:48,414 Speaker 1: But first, here's the letters from the QUICKI newsroom. Friday, 14 00:00:48,454 --> 00:00:52,574 Speaker 1: October twenty five, the La County Prosecutor is expected to 15 00:00:52,614 --> 00:00:56,094 Speaker 1: request a resentencing of Lyle and Eric Menendez, who are 16 00:00:56,134 --> 00:00:58,494 Speaker 1: in jail for the murder of their parents. The move 17 00:00:58,534 --> 00:01:00,934 Speaker 1: could see the brothers, who shot dead their father and 18 00:01:01,014 --> 00:01:04,014 Speaker 1: mother and their home in nineteen eighty nine, reportedly after 19 00:01:04,094 --> 00:01:07,574 Speaker 1: years of sexual, physical and psychological abuse, could see the 20 00:01:07,614 --> 00:01:10,334 Speaker 1: brothers walk free. At the time of their trial, their 21 00:01:10,374 --> 00:01:12,974 Speaker 1: claims of abuse or met with skepticism that as the 22 00:01:13,054 --> 00:01:15,734 Speaker 1: understanding around the impacts and behaviors of victims of this 23 00:01:15,894 --> 00:01:18,374 Speaker 1: kind of trauma grows, the claims could be seen as 24 00:01:18,454 --> 00:01:21,814 Speaker 1: credible enough to warrant the resentencing. The case has drawn 25 00:01:21,854 --> 00:01:24,174 Speaker 1: renew detention this year with the release of the Netflix 26 00:01:24,214 --> 00:01:26,854 Speaker 1: docu drama and then a documentary in which the brothers 27 00:01:26,894 --> 00:01:30,614 Speaker 1: discussed the case themselves. But while the district attorney's recommendation 28 00:01:30,774 --> 00:01:33,814 Speaker 1: does hold some weight, ultimately the decision is in the 29 00:01:33,854 --> 00:01:35,574 Speaker 1: hands of a judge to decide. 30 00:01:35,294 --> 00:01:36,414 Speaker 2: Lyl and Eric's fate. 31 00:01:37,334 --> 00:01:40,574 Speaker 1: Health workers in northern Gaza are warning of a catastrophic 32 00:01:40,614 --> 00:01:44,094 Speaker 1: situation as Israel returned to an air and ground offensive 33 00:01:44,094 --> 00:01:46,134 Speaker 1: in the region, which has now been constant for the 34 00:01:46,174 --> 00:01:49,254 Speaker 1: past two weeks. Hundreds of people have been killed and 35 00:01:49,374 --> 00:01:52,294 Speaker 1: tens of thousands have fled their homes as the IDF 36 00:01:52,334 --> 00:01:55,494 Speaker 1: says they're battling Hamas fighters who regrouped in the north, 37 00:01:55,734 --> 00:01:57,654 Speaker 1: which was one of the first areas to be hit 38 00:01:57,694 --> 00:02:00,454 Speaker 1: when the war began in October twenty twenty three. The 39 00:02:00,534 --> 00:02:03,934 Speaker 1: director of the Kamel Aardwin Hospital released a video message 40 00:02:03,934 --> 00:02:06,694 Speaker 1: earlier this week saying they're treating a large number of 41 00:02:06,774 --> 00:02:10,094 Speaker 1: wounded civilians while dealing with a serious lat of medical 42 00:02:10,134 --> 00:02:13,014 Speaker 1: supplies and staff. He said they lose at least one 43 00:02:13,054 --> 00:02:16,254 Speaker 1: person every hour as more arrive on their own, their 44 00:02:16,294 --> 00:02:19,574 Speaker 1: ambulance services pushed to the brink and unable to transfer 45 00:02:19,614 --> 00:02:23,534 Speaker 1: anyone to another facility. US Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln, 46 00:02:23,574 --> 00:02:27,574 Speaker 1: who's in Qatar, where negotiations between Israel and Hamas have stalled, 47 00:02:27,894 --> 00:02:30,894 Speaker 1: announced an additional one hundred and thirty five million dollars 48 00:02:30,894 --> 00:02:34,414 Speaker 1: in USA to the Palestinians while urging Israel to allow 49 00:02:34,454 --> 00:02:38,414 Speaker 1: more assistance into the territory. Kamala Harris is continuing to 50 00:02:38,534 --> 00:02:41,094 Speaker 1: use the power of celebrity to try and reach voters, 51 00:02:41,334 --> 00:02:44,294 Speaker 1: with the US Democratic presidential candidate to be joined in 52 00:02:44,374 --> 00:02:48,454 Speaker 1: Georgia by rock legend Bruce Springsteen and entertainer Tyler Perry. 53 00:02:48,734 --> 00:02:51,494 Speaker 1: She'll then head to Houston, where there are rumors Beyonce 54 00:02:51,654 --> 00:02:54,654 Speaker 1: will appear in support of Harris. The Harris Waltz campaign 55 00:02:54,814 --> 00:02:58,014 Speaker 1: using her twenty sixteen track Freedom as their anthem as 56 00:02:58,054 --> 00:03:00,254 Speaker 1: they look to shore up support as the November five 57 00:03:00,294 --> 00:03:04,374 Speaker 1: election deadline approaches. Meanwhile, in an interview, Donald Trump was 58 00:03:04,414 --> 00:03:08,134 Speaker 1: asked whether he would pardon himself or fire special counsel 59 00:03:08,254 --> 00:03:11,134 Speaker 1: Jack Smith, who's brought got two federal cases against the 60 00:03:11,174 --> 00:03:15,094 Speaker 1: former president, one accusing him of retaining classified documents, which 61 00:03:15,094 --> 00:03:17,894 Speaker 1: has been dismissed, and one for plotting to overturn the 62 00:03:17,894 --> 00:03:20,854 Speaker 1: result of the twenty twenty election, which has been delayed 63 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:24,254 Speaker 1: due to the Supreme Court decision over presidential immunity. Trump 64 00:03:24,334 --> 00:03:26,894 Speaker 1: says the decision would be so easy that he would 65 00:03:26,934 --> 00:03:30,574 Speaker 1: fire Smith within two seconds. There are reports that Ossie 66 00:03:30,614 --> 00:03:33,614 Speaker 1: actor Chris Hemsworth is in talks to play Prince Charming 67 00:03:33,694 --> 00:03:36,734 Speaker 1: in an upcoming Disney movie. It's not clear whether the 68 00:03:36,774 --> 00:03:39,534 Speaker 1: movie will be live action or animated, and the plot 69 00:03:39,574 --> 00:03:42,054 Speaker 1: line has been kept under wraps For the character who 70 00:03:42,134 --> 00:03:45,294 Speaker 1: has famously played the love interests of Disney princesses from 71 00:03:45,334 --> 00:03:48,774 Speaker 1: snow White to Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and Rapunzel. There are 72 00:03:48,814 --> 00:03:52,414 Speaker 1: reports that this version will not necessarily be specifically linked 73 00:03:52,454 --> 00:03:55,374 Speaker 1: to Prince Charming's first appearance in the Disney universe as 74 00:03:55,414 --> 00:03:57,454 Speaker 1: Cinderella's man in the nineteen fifties. 75 00:03:57,734 --> 00:03:59,214 Speaker 2: That's what's going on in the world today. 76 00:03:59,214 --> 00:04:01,854 Speaker 1: Next, we know we have to physically train our bodies 77 00:04:01,894 --> 00:04:04,374 Speaker 1: to stay fit, but what exercise are you doing for 78 00:04:04,414 --> 00:04:06,774 Speaker 1: your brain? We get a lesson on how to stay 79 00:04:06,974 --> 00:04:20,174 Speaker 1: mentally fit. The month of October means different things to 80 00:04:20,294 --> 00:04:22,774 Speaker 1: different Aussies. The end of the month is not just 81 00:04:22,814 --> 00:04:25,054 Speaker 1: the deadline to get your tax in, but it's also 82 00:04:25,174 --> 00:04:27,934 Speaker 1: Halloween for those who celebrate, or those who have children 83 00:04:27,974 --> 00:04:30,734 Speaker 1: who are forcing them to do so. For our friends 84 00:04:30,734 --> 00:04:34,094 Speaker 1: in the Northern hemisphere, there's something known as the October slide, 85 00:04:34,254 --> 00:04:37,334 Speaker 1: where people who suffer chronic illnesses experience a flare up 86 00:04:37,334 --> 00:04:38,654 Speaker 1: of symptoms this time of year. 87 00:04:39,134 --> 00:04:43,534 Speaker 3: Around October time, our symptoms tend to flare up and 88 00:04:43,574 --> 00:04:45,574 Speaker 3: we tend to feel a bit worse. And this is 89 00:04:45,654 --> 00:04:48,854 Speaker 3: due to a number of things, including the barometric pressure, 90 00:04:49,214 --> 00:04:52,894 Speaker 3: just the seasonal changes, seasonal allergies. There's going to be 91 00:04:52,894 --> 00:04:56,734 Speaker 3: an increase in illnesses like more colds and flus and 92 00:04:56,774 --> 00:05:00,214 Speaker 3: things like that. So because of all these things around 93 00:05:00,214 --> 00:05:03,614 Speaker 3: this time of the year, you might feel a bit worse. 94 00:05:03,934 --> 00:05:07,134 Speaker 3: And that's okay, We're all kind of feeling it. 95 00:05:07,894 --> 00:05:10,694 Speaker 1: But for Australians, the most stress full time is not 96 00:05:10,854 --> 00:05:13,014 Speaker 1: quite here yet, and it has nothing to do with 97 00:05:13,094 --> 00:05:17,814 Speaker 1: the weather, well, not entirely. October is this weird moment 98 00:05:17,854 --> 00:05:20,414 Speaker 1: where the end of year, Christmas and New Year celebrations 99 00:05:20,454 --> 00:05:24,014 Speaker 1: are uncomfortably close, while at the same time still being 100 00:05:24,094 --> 00:05:26,854 Speaker 1: quite far away, So for those who hoping for that 101 00:05:26,894 --> 00:05:29,974 Speaker 1: sweet relief of an office shut down, end of year holiday, 102 00:05:30,054 --> 00:05:33,094 Speaker 1: or reduced responsibilities at work, there is now a little 103 00:05:33,094 --> 00:05:35,614 Speaker 1: over two months left to get ready for it. For 104 00:05:35,694 --> 00:05:37,454 Speaker 1: families who are hoping to have the money to get 105 00:05:37,494 --> 00:05:40,014 Speaker 1: those last lay bys off and under the tree, despite 106 00:05:40,054 --> 00:05:41,974 Speaker 1: the cost of living expenses piling. 107 00:05:41,774 --> 00:05:43,534 Speaker 2: Up, it is way too close. 108 00:05:43,934 --> 00:05:46,454 Speaker 1: For those who are estranged from their families or who 109 00:05:46,454 --> 00:05:49,734 Speaker 1: have difficult relationships that will inevitably become strained due to 110 00:05:49,734 --> 00:05:52,614 Speaker 1: proximity at Christmas, it can't be over quick enough. 111 00:05:53,294 --> 00:05:54,374 Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four. 112 00:05:54,334 --> 00:05:57,134 Speaker 1: Hasn't been the easiest of years, although when you compare 113 00:05:57,174 --> 00:05:59,174 Speaker 1: it to the end of twenty nineteen when everything felt 114 00:05:59,254 --> 00:06:01,494 Speaker 1: like it was burning to the ground and twenty twenty 115 00:06:01,534 --> 00:06:03,814 Speaker 1: when I make COVID turned up, it does seem like 116 00:06:03,854 --> 00:06:04,774 Speaker 1: a walk in the park. 117 00:06:04,934 --> 00:06:06,334 Speaker 2: But we've still had our pressures. 118 00:06:06,654 --> 00:06:09,214 Speaker 1: The cost of living crisis has continued, with the Reserve 119 00:06:09,254 --> 00:06:12,174 Speaker 1: Bank keeping that pressure on homeowners with rates not dropping 120 00:06:12,254 --> 00:06:15,334 Speaker 1: despite rumblings in twenty twenty three that twenty four was 121 00:06:15,374 --> 00:06:19,054 Speaker 1: a year they'd go backwards. House prices have remained stubbornly high, 122 00:06:19,094 --> 00:06:22,414 Speaker 1: as have grocery prices and fuel, and when you zoom out, 123 00:06:22,454 --> 00:06:25,414 Speaker 1: there are wars and women's rights being tested and sad 124 00:06:25,454 --> 00:06:28,614 Speaker 1: celebrity deaths, and sometimes it all just feels like a 125 00:06:28,654 --> 00:06:34,214 Speaker 1: bit too much. So let's calm down for a moment 126 00:06:34,454 --> 00:06:36,694 Speaker 1: and see if we can't get our mental fitness in 127 00:06:36,854 --> 00:06:39,974 Speaker 1: check now before the silly season and all the rest 128 00:06:39,974 --> 00:06:42,814 Speaker 1: of it catches up with us. Claire Stevens is the 129 00:06:42,814 --> 00:06:45,374 Speaker 1: host of the Bana You Happy podcast and Muma me 130 00:06:45,534 --> 00:06:48,694 Speaker 1: is executive editor. She has spoken to a stack of 131 00:06:48,694 --> 00:06:51,974 Speaker 1: notable lossies from Tim Minchin to Zoe Foster, Blake, Josh 132 00:06:51,974 --> 00:06:54,814 Speaker 1: Thomas and flex Mummy. So what does she learn from 133 00:06:54,814 --> 00:06:57,854 Speaker 1: asking all of these talented humans about how they stay 134 00:06:57,894 --> 00:07:01,494 Speaker 1: mentally fit? Claire, you have now got three seasons of 135 00:07:01,574 --> 00:07:04,254 Speaker 1: this show under your belts. You've spoken to many, many 136 00:07:04,294 --> 00:07:07,094 Speaker 1: people about their levels of happiness and how they achieve them. 137 00:07:07,574 --> 00:07:08,374 Speaker 2: What have you learned? 138 00:07:09,014 --> 00:07:13,694 Speaker 4: I always joke that I kind of over relate to 139 00:07:13,854 --> 00:07:18,334 Speaker 4: the people I interview, because often they're incredibly successful people, 140 00:07:18,534 --> 00:07:21,574 Speaker 4: and it's quite funny for me to sit there and 141 00:07:21,934 --> 00:07:24,454 Speaker 4: feel like I can relate very closely to their lives. 142 00:07:24,494 --> 00:07:27,854 Speaker 4: But I feel like there's always something that I can 143 00:07:27,934 --> 00:07:31,094 Speaker 4: take out of it. Sometimes it's the people who are 144 00:07:31,134 --> 00:07:34,174 Speaker 4: the most different to me that I walk away and 145 00:07:34,254 --> 00:07:39,814 Speaker 4: realize I've learnt something really insightful about happiness or how 146 00:07:39,814 --> 00:07:42,494 Speaker 4: to apply something to my own life. 147 00:07:43,454 --> 00:07:46,014 Speaker 1: He is there any themes you feel amongst your guests 148 00:07:46,134 --> 00:07:48,454 Speaker 1: about what makes them happy? I mean, is it money, 149 00:07:48,494 --> 00:07:49,174 Speaker 1: is it family? 150 00:07:49,294 --> 00:07:50,974 Speaker 2: Is a success? What kind of. 151 00:07:50,934 --> 00:07:52,654 Speaker 1: Things do they say brings them happiness? 152 00:07:53,254 --> 00:08:00,734 Speaker 4: It always seems to come down to connection. The idea 153 00:08:00,814 --> 00:08:03,894 Speaker 4: of the show is really to interrogate the idea that 154 00:08:03,934 --> 00:08:08,534 Speaker 4: all of the shiny external things are what brings us 155 00:08:09,094 --> 00:08:11,974 Speaker 4: happiness and meaning, which I think we all know but 156 00:08:12,054 --> 00:08:14,174 Speaker 4: we need to be reminded of over and over and 157 00:08:14,214 --> 00:08:17,574 Speaker 4: over again. And it does seem like for everyone I 158 00:08:17,614 --> 00:08:21,374 Speaker 4: speak to it's the things you can't see that are 159 00:08:21,414 --> 00:08:23,214 Speaker 4: the things that bring them happiness. 160 00:08:23,654 --> 00:08:25,294 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the guests that you've had 161 00:08:25,334 --> 00:08:29,174 Speaker 1: on recently. So Hugh van Kylenberg, who everybody might know 162 00:08:29,214 --> 00:08:33,694 Speaker 1: from the Imperfect podcast. He took you through some ups 163 00:08:33,734 --> 00:08:35,814 Speaker 1: and downs in his life, and it's funny to think 164 00:08:35,854 --> 00:08:38,574 Speaker 1: of someone who is that wildly successful right now is 165 00:08:39,014 --> 00:08:41,214 Speaker 1: even having down moments in their lives. 166 00:08:41,254 --> 00:08:42,974 Speaker 2: But he was a really interesting one. 167 00:08:43,014 --> 00:08:46,014 Speaker 1: Because he focused really in on his own appearance, like 168 00:08:46,054 --> 00:08:48,454 Speaker 1: his physical appearance caused him some issues. 169 00:08:49,094 --> 00:08:51,934 Speaker 4: That's why these interviews it so profound. It's because you 170 00:08:51,974 --> 00:08:54,494 Speaker 4: look at someone like him who must get so much 171 00:08:54,734 --> 00:08:58,574 Speaker 4: external validation and so much worth from what he does 172 00:08:58,654 --> 00:09:01,134 Speaker 4: because it means a lot to a lot of people. 173 00:09:01,654 --> 00:09:03,494 Speaker 5: But he talked. 174 00:09:03,214 --> 00:09:06,854 Speaker 4: About having moments where he looks in the mirror and 175 00:09:06,974 --> 00:09:11,174 Speaker 4: just has a really visceral reaction to how he looks 176 00:09:11,174 --> 00:09:14,894 Speaker 4: on the fact that he's aging, which I liked hearing 177 00:09:14,934 --> 00:09:18,654 Speaker 4: from a man, and that is somebody whose entire career 178 00:09:18,934 --> 00:09:24,694 Speaker 4: is around resilience and helping people to build up some 179 00:09:25,014 --> 00:09:29,734 Speaker 4: armor so that they're not crushed. Everybody has those moments 180 00:09:29,934 --> 00:09:34,454 Speaker 4: and those experiences of being confronted by something they're uncomfortable 181 00:09:34,454 --> 00:09:39,054 Speaker 4: with or a feeling thrown and for him, it's having 182 00:09:39,174 --> 00:09:46,854 Speaker 4: quite a structured framework in place where he follows a 183 00:09:46,894 --> 00:09:48,734 Speaker 4: bunch of things he does to make sure that he 184 00:09:48,894 --> 00:09:52,294 Speaker 4: feels his best and he feels like he can attack 185 00:09:52,414 --> 00:09:54,934 Speaker 4: each day. And he shared exactly what. 186 00:09:54,854 --> 00:09:58,054 Speaker 6: He does this year. I've implemented this routine. I guess 187 00:09:58,094 --> 00:10:00,094 Speaker 6: of stuff that I just have to do every single day. 188 00:10:00,654 --> 00:10:01,894 Speaker 6: So as soon as I like half In the morning, 189 00:10:02,174 --> 00:10:04,414 Speaker 6: I will drink five hundred miles of water. I have 190 00:10:04,454 --> 00:10:07,414 Speaker 6: this drink which called Athotic Greens, which I just love it. 191 00:10:07,414 --> 00:10:09,134 Speaker 6: It's just like a supplement vitamin drink. 192 00:10:09,574 --> 00:10:09,814 Speaker 4: I think. 193 00:10:09,854 --> 00:10:10,734 Speaker 5: For me, it's just like. 194 00:10:10,654 --> 00:10:12,734 Speaker 6: I'm just ticking boxes here. I get in the pool 195 00:10:12,774 --> 00:10:14,374 Speaker 6: and do like a cold plunge first thing in the morning, 196 00:10:14,454 --> 00:10:16,734 Speaker 6: for like I'm after about two two and a half 197 00:10:16,734 --> 00:10:19,094 Speaker 6: minutes at the moment, and then after that I have 198 00:10:19,614 --> 00:10:22,054 Speaker 6: a long black coffee and I try and do it. 199 00:10:22,094 --> 00:10:24,134 Speaker 6: So I'm in the sun. And then I've got this 200 00:10:24,254 --> 00:10:27,414 Speaker 6: journal and there's a question every morning. It's the same 201 00:10:27,494 --> 00:10:30,294 Speaker 6: question morning at night, and I just try and get 202 00:10:30,334 --> 00:10:33,214 Speaker 6: five minutes to myself and answer that question. So actually, 203 00:10:33,254 --> 00:10:34,934 Speaker 6: I'm now getting into sauna as well. At this place, 204 00:10:35,014 --> 00:10:37,694 Speaker 6: I'm doing sauna as well. And I have to. I 205 00:10:37,734 --> 00:10:41,094 Speaker 6: absolutely have to exercise every day. 206 00:10:41,174 --> 00:10:44,174 Speaker 1: You've also spoken to some athletes on the show, one 207 00:10:44,214 --> 00:10:47,214 Speaker 1: of them being Olympic boxer Harry Garside, who some might 208 00:10:47,254 --> 00:10:49,374 Speaker 1: remember from I'm a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here Too. 209 00:10:49,854 --> 00:10:52,974 Speaker 1: But it's interesting when you speak to athletes because you 210 00:10:53,094 --> 00:10:56,054 Speaker 1: just presume they're as mentally fit as they are physically, 211 00:10:56,174 --> 00:10:59,134 Speaker 1: but Harry really kind of took you to a place 212 00:10:59,174 --> 00:11:03,094 Speaker 1: where he shows how he has to work at that right. Yes, 213 00:11:03,454 --> 00:11:05,694 Speaker 1: and this is what I've been when I talk about 214 00:11:05,734 --> 00:11:08,974 Speaker 1: me over relating to guests, because there is something about 215 00:11:08,974 --> 00:11:13,734 Speaker 1: the Apple mindset that I am just obsessed with and 216 00:11:13,774 --> 00:11:20,654 Speaker 1: that I weirdly connect with. And so he talked about 217 00:11:20,654 --> 00:11:25,294 Speaker 1: the fact that he has to remind himself hold on, 218 00:11:25,734 --> 00:11:29,854 Speaker 1: nobody's coming for you. I need to be really really strong. 219 00:11:30,094 --> 00:11:34,374 Speaker 1: I need to attack my life. And I've spoken to 220 00:11:35,014 --> 00:11:39,134 Speaker 1: other athletes who have this similar mentality of almost like 221 00:11:39,734 --> 00:11:42,934 Speaker 1: going into battle like that they have to do with 222 00:11:43,014 --> 00:11:45,734 Speaker 1: their mind what they do with their bodies, which is 223 00:11:46,974 --> 00:11:51,134 Speaker 1: really make sure that it is strong and tough, and 224 00:11:51,174 --> 00:11:53,974 Speaker 1: that they know that things can go wrong and they 225 00:11:54,014 --> 00:11:55,134 Speaker 1: need to be able to cope with it. 226 00:11:55,774 --> 00:11:58,614 Speaker 7: The universe stops from no one stel feeling sorry for yourself. 227 00:11:58,654 --> 00:12:02,414 Speaker 7: This world kind of fosters victim mentality. I don't know 228 00:12:02,454 --> 00:12:05,294 Speaker 7: what it's like. Of course, the world sucks and it's 229 00:12:05,414 --> 00:12:08,014 Speaker 7: unfair and unjust. You don't have to look too far 230 00:12:08,094 --> 00:12:10,774 Speaker 7: to see those things, like in our society and then 231 00:12:10,814 --> 00:12:13,214 Speaker 7: also internationally overseas we're seeing it on our phone. But 232 00:12:13,334 --> 00:12:16,654 Speaker 7: like selfiely sorry for yourself. It's like no one's coming 233 00:12:16,734 --> 00:12:18,814 Speaker 7: and it's up to you always, and don't be wrong. 234 00:12:18,854 --> 00:12:21,854 Speaker 7: Absolutely feel your emotions and be in pain, don't suppress them, 235 00:12:21,854 --> 00:12:24,734 Speaker 7: but like like get up, like let's go, like it's 236 00:12:24,774 --> 00:12:27,134 Speaker 7: up to you always, and of course don't go wrong. 237 00:12:27,174 --> 00:12:29,414 Speaker 7: I've also got a beautiful support network, but it is 238 00:12:29,494 --> 00:12:31,414 Speaker 7: always up to us, and we can sit there and 239 00:12:31,454 --> 00:12:34,294 Speaker 7: complain and feel bad for ourselves. We're living in one 240 00:12:34,294 --> 00:12:36,454 Speaker 7: of the greatest countries on earth with so much opportunity. 241 00:12:36,534 --> 00:12:39,054 Speaker 7: Like I always think that like the world stops from 242 00:12:39,054 --> 00:12:42,654 Speaker 7: no one keep going so close seasons. 243 00:12:42,654 --> 00:12:44,414 Speaker 1: I guess we have to ask you what do you 244 00:12:44,454 --> 00:12:45,974 Speaker 1: do to remain mentally fit. 245 00:12:46,574 --> 00:12:50,654 Speaker 4: The biggest thing for me has been taking the pressure off. 246 00:12:51,174 --> 00:12:54,654 Speaker 4: I think that's an important thing for women, and an 247 00:12:54,694 --> 00:13:01,374 Speaker 4: important thing if you're a parent, is reminding yourself that 248 00:13:02,294 --> 00:13:05,694 Speaker 4: there are seasons of life, there are stages of life. 249 00:13:05,934 --> 00:13:08,574 Speaker 4: It's okay to be doing your best in the moment 250 00:13:08,614 --> 00:13:12,854 Speaker 4: that you're in. I think shame is the most crippling 251 00:13:13,774 --> 00:13:18,814 Speaker 4: thing when it comes to being mentally fit, and so 252 00:13:19,014 --> 00:13:22,814 Speaker 4: I think really being kind to yourself and giving yourself grace, 253 00:13:23,014 --> 00:13:25,414 Speaker 4: that's the thing that I think keeps me the most 254 00:13:25,454 --> 00:13:26,094 Speaker 4: mentally fit. 255 00:13:28,734 --> 00:13:31,814 Speaker 1: Okay, it's time to call in the big guns. Doctor 256 00:13:31,854 --> 00:13:35,174 Speaker 1: Andrew Wilson is a psychiatrist and group Chief Medical Officer 257 00:13:35,214 --> 00:13:38,774 Speaker 1: at Medibank. Andrew, when you scour the internet, there are 258 00:13:38,934 --> 00:13:41,814 Speaker 1: limitless posts that include tips on how to stay mentally fit. 259 00:13:41,854 --> 00:13:43,534 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping we can talk about some of them 260 00:13:43,574 --> 00:13:45,414 Speaker 1: and see whether you agree they're a good way to 261 00:13:45,414 --> 00:13:47,454 Speaker 1: get your brain to remain calm in the face of 262 00:13:47,534 --> 00:13:51,974 Speaker 1: high pressure and potential triggers. But first, what even is 263 00:13:52,094 --> 00:13:52,854 Speaker 1: mental fitness? 264 00:13:52,854 --> 00:13:53,294 Speaker 2: Exactly? 265 00:13:53,774 --> 00:13:54,494 Speaker 5: Thanks Claire Well. 266 00:13:54,534 --> 00:13:57,094 Speaker 8: I mean, we talk a lot about physical fitness, right, 267 00:13:57,094 --> 00:14:00,334 Speaker 8: everybility kind of understands that it gets a lot of attension, and. 268 00:14:00,254 --> 00:14:01,534 Speaker 5: It really means kind of. 269 00:14:01,534 --> 00:14:06,414 Speaker 8: Tuning up your body, getting it functioning optimally, weights, exercise, 270 00:14:06,454 --> 00:14:08,094 Speaker 8: all that sort of stuff. It's kind of the same 271 00:14:08,174 --> 00:14:11,774 Speaker 8: with your mental health mental fitness. It's really getting your 272 00:14:11,774 --> 00:14:16,734 Speaker 8: brain and mind functioning optimally. And that can mean cognitively, 273 00:14:16,894 --> 00:14:20,494 Speaker 8: like things like memory concentration so you can do your 274 00:14:20,574 --> 00:14:23,814 Speaker 8: tasks at work or at home, but also emotionally, so 275 00:14:24,614 --> 00:14:27,814 Speaker 8: how do you get your emotions more stable? How the 276 00:14:27,894 --> 00:14:30,454 Speaker 8: things not cause you to react as much as you 277 00:14:30,614 --> 00:14:32,854 Speaker 8: might do if you're not mentally fit, So it's really 278 00:14:32,894 --> 00:14:35,814 Speaker 8: as important. It's looking at the brain as a really 279 00:14:35,894 --> 00:14:39,174 Speaker 8: important organ in our body, which it really is. 280 00:14:39,814 --> 00:14:42,974 Speaker 1: One of the things that I read about this is 281 00:14:43,014 --> 00:14:45,294 Speaker 1: that one part of your brain that you really need 282 00:14:45,334 --> 00:14:47,134 Speaker 1: to focus on is the part that does all the 283 00:14:47,254 --> 00:14:49,934 Speaker 1: auto thinking for us, So the ways that we react 284 00:14:49,934 --> 00:14:52,294 Speaker 1: in a situation, or the ways that we talk to 285 00:14:52,374 --> 00:14:55,814 Speaker 1: ourselves in a dialogue and things like that, just so 286 00:14:55,894 --> 00:14:57,814 Speaker 1: that we can make some better choices and maybe what 287 00:14:57,894 --> 00:15:00,734 Speaker 1: our brain sometimes leads us into. But how do we 288 00:15:00,814 --> 00:15:03,534 Speaker 1: actually do that, How do we retrain that part of 289 00:15:03,534 --> 00:15:05,734 Speaker 1: our brain that's kind of on autopilot for us. 290 00:15:06,134 --> 00:15:07,534 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really good point. 291 00:15:08,014 --> 00:15:12,174 Speaker 8: Human beings are very habit driven, and just like we 292 00:15:12,294 --> 00:15:14,614 Speaker 8: have habits in our day to day life, our brain 293 00:15:15,374 --> 00:15:18,534 Speaker 8: easily gets trained into habits of thinking in a particular way. 294 00:15:18,534 --> 00:15:22,214 Speaker 8: And sometimes that can be really positive, but unfortunately. 295 00:15:21,734 --> 00:15:22,774 Speaker 5: Sometimes it's not. So. 296 00:15:22,854 --> 00:15:25,854 Speaker 8: Look, the first thing is to be aware of it, 297 00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:29,214 Speaker 8: so it's kind of making it more conscious rather than 298 00:15:29,294 --> 00:15:33,134 Speaker 8: just sort of floating around below the surface. So if 299 00:15:33,134 --> 00:15:37,094 Speaker 8: you start to catch yourself with those kind of autothinking 300 00:15:37,134 --> 00:15:40,534 Speaker 8: patterns to say, oh ah, that's I'm doing that again, 301 00:15:40,614 --> 00:15:41,454 Speaker 8: so it's making it. 302 00:15:41,414 --> 00:15:43,334 Speaker 5: More conscious rather than unconscious. 303 00:15:43,854 --> 00:15:45,814 Speaker 8: But the other thing is a bit like exercise, the 304 00:15:45,854 --> 00:15:50,454 Speaker 8: physical exercise thing, it's actually practicing having auto thoughts that 305 00:15:50,494 --> 00:15:54,054 Speaker 8: are more positive, so actually responding in a particular way 306 00:15:54,094 --> 00:15:58,294 Speaker 8: the situations that is more positive and perhaps less emotive 307 00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:01,214 Speaker 8: or less reactive. The other thing you can do is 308 00:16:01,814 --> 00:16:05,094 Speaker 8: practice what's called mindfulness. Really, all that is is being 309 00:16:05,174 --> 00:16:07,534 Speaker 8: more observing of what's going on. 310 00:16:07,654 --> 00:16:09,854 Speaker 5: So whether it's you or situation. 311 00:16:09,934 --> 00:16:12,694 Speaker 8: Or the way other people are behaving, more watch it 312 00:16:12,854 --> 00:16:15,494 Speaker 8: with a bit of detachment rather than reacting to things. 313 00:16:16,174 --> 00:16:19,974 Speaker 1: When we train ourselves physically, we see results, right, So 314 00:16:20,014 --> 00:16:22,614 Speaker 1: we might get bigger muscles, we might tone up, we 315 00:16:22,694 --> 00:16:24,614 Speaker 1: might look at ourselves in the mirror and think, yep, 316 00:16:24,814 --> 00:16:27,294 Speaker 1: the work I'm putting in is actually doing something and 317 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:31,254 Speaker 1: achieving something. If we do improve our mental fitness, what 318 00:16:31,334 --> 00:16:33,494 Speaker 1: kind of impact would we see in our day to 319 00:16:33,574 --> 00:16:34,134 Speaker 1: day life. 320 00:16:34,414 --> 00:16:36,014 Speaker 5: It can really make a big difference. 321 00:16:36,054 --> 00:16:38,894 Speaker 8: Now there's a timeframe obviously around that, and that can 322 00:16:38,934 --> 00:16:42,094 Speaker 8: sometimes take weeks but sometimes months. So just like getting 323 00:16:42,094 --> 00:16:45,334 Speaker 8: physically fit, but I think you'd been looking for observing 324 00:16:45,414 --> 00:16:47,974 Speaker 8: benefits in the kind of domains in your life that 325 00:16:48,054 --> 00:16:52,854 Speaker 8: really matters so at home, in relationships at work, so 326 00:16:53,174 --> 00:16:58,734 Speaker 8: less reactive, calmer, feeling, more positive, increased happiness. Really that 327 00:16:58,854 --> 00:17:01,894 Speaker 8: brain training, that mind train, and getting more fit mentally 328 00:17:01,974 --> 00:17:05,974 Speaker 8: through some simple exercises, including physical activity, which can be 329 00:17:06,054 --> 00:17:09,734 Speaker 8: super important in terms of you mental fitness. You can 330 00:17:09,734 --> 00:17:11,774 Speaker 8: see the changes in your day to day life in 331 00:17:11,854 --> 00:17:15,094 Speaker 8: terms of how you're feeling about the things that matter 332 00:17:15,174 --> 00:17:15,414 Speaker 8: to you. 333 00:17:16,014 --> 00:17:17,174 Speaker 2: We kind of touched on it there. 334 00:17:17,174 --> 00:17:20,454 Speaker 1: All the lists that I've seen online around mental fitness 335 00:17:20,494 --> 00:17:24,654 Speaker 1: include things like adding physical exercise, getting more sleep, making 336 00:17:24,694 --> 00:17:27,254 Speaker 1: better food choices. Adding all of that to your routine 337 00:17:27,814 --> 00:17:30,454 Speaker 1: is beneficial to your mental fitness. But is any one 338 00:17:30,454 --> 00:17:31,854 Speaker 1: of those more important than the other. 339 00:17:32,454 --> 00:17:36,294 Speaker 8: It's usually the combination of the above. I think physical 340 00:17:36,334 --> 00:17:41,534 Speaker 8: exercise is super important foundationally, So being physically fit actually 341 00:17:41,614 --> 00:17:44,774 Speaker 8: does really chune up a lot of the systems in 342 00:17:44,814 --> 00:17:47,974 Speaker 8: your brain and body that regulates your response to stress. 343 00:17:48,534 --> 00:17:51,854 Speaker 8: So the sort of major systems that kind of have 344 00:17:52,014 --> 00:17:55,014 Speaker 8: our bodies and minds ready to react to things, and 345 00:17:55,054 --> 00:17:58,214 Speaker 8: they can get switched on and sort of made more 346 00:17:58,534 --> 00:18:02,534 Speaker 8: kind of reactive to things. Physical activity damp and those down. 347 00:18:02,614 --> 00:18:05,694 Speaker 8: So that's a super important baseline. There's more and more 348 00:18:05,694 --> 00:18:08,254 Speaker 8: evidence that what you eat has an impact on your 349 00:18:08,254 --> 00:18:11,094 Speaker 8: mental health. Again, we all know the sort of things 350 00:18:11,174 --> 00:18:13,774 Speaker 8: that we should avoid or increase. 351 00:18:13,374 --> 00:18:14,494 Speaker 5: More in our day to day. 352 00:18:14,694 --> 00:18:18,614 Speaker 8: Better food choices, more fruit and vegetables, less processed food, 353 00:18:18,694 --> 00:18:21,134 Speaker 8: all of that probably does make a big difference. And 354 00:18:21,214 --> 00:18:23,694 Speaker 8: the other thing I would really encourage you to look 355 00:18:23,734 --> 00:18:28,374 Speaker 8: at is something around a meditative practice. There's a lot 356 00:18:28,374 --> 00:18:31,134 Speaker 8: of evidence again that that can have a very powerful 357 00:18:31,134 --> 00:18:34,774 Speaker 8: effect on your mental health. So even doing something really simple, 358 00:18:34,894 --> 00:18:39,614 Speaker 8: doing some mindfulness or meditative exercises, breathing exercises, even for 359 00:18:39,654 --> 00:18:41,534 Speaker 8: a couple of minutes, a couple of times a day, 360 00:18:41,534 --> 00:18:42,934 Speaker 8: it can make a really big difference. 361 00:18:43,334 --> 00:18:46,334 Speaker 1: Here's a million dollar question, though, Andrew. Can you be 362 00:18:46,454 --> 00:18:49,654 Speaker 1: mentally fit and still be addicted to doom scrolling on 363 00:18:49,694 --> 00:18:50,534 Speaker 1: your smartphone? 364 00:18:50,854 --> 00:18:51,174 Speaker 7: Yeah? 365 00:18:51,334 --> 00:18:54,334 Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think that's what. 366 00:18:54,334 --> 00:18:55,574 Speaker 2: I was afraid you were going to say. 367 00:18:55,854 --> 00:18:56,894 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think so. 368 00:18:57,094 --> 00:19:00,614 Speaker 8: I think that, you know, in our modern day, that's 369 00:19:00,694 --> 00:19:03,454 Speaker 8: really kind of been a big negative factor. 370 00:19:03,094 --> 00:19:04,734 Speaker 5: In terms of people's mental fitness. 371 00:19:04,774 --> 00:19:05,254 Speaker 3: I think so. 372 00:19:05,614 --> 00:19:08,014 Speaker 8: I think it's really important to be aware of it. Obviously, 373 00:19:08,734 --> 00:19:11,334 Speaker 8: smartphones are part of life. We're not going to put 374 00:19:11,334 --> 00:19:13,614 Speaker 8: them away. We're not going to throw them away, so 375 00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,094 Speaker 8: it's a matter of managing it. 376 00:19:15,134 --> 00:19:17,734 Speaker 5: I think particularly avoid it late at night and first 377 00:19:17,734 --> 00:19:18,454 Speaker 5: thing in the morning. 378 00:19:18,774 --> 00:19:20,654 Speaker 8: The first thing you do when you wake up shouldn't 379 00:19:20,694 --> 00:19:23,534 Speaker 8: be reaching for your phone, and it shouldn't be something 380 00:19:23,574 --> 00:19:25,494 Speaker 8: you're looking at before you go to sleep. We know 381 00:19:25,574 --> 00:19:29,734 Speaker 8: that that blue light from phones is bad for your sleep, 382 00:19:29,934 --> 00:19:32,614 Speaker 8: and also it's bad for that kind of auto. 383 00:19:32,374 --> 00:19:35,294 Speaker 5: Thinking thing we were talking about. So yeah, try and 384 00:19:35,454 --> 00:19:35,934 Speaker 5: manage it. 385 00:19:36,094 --> 00:19:38,934 Speaker 8: Try and have some time in the day where your 386 00:19:38,974 --> 00:19:41,214 Speaker 8: phone is not with you or turned off. 387 00:19:41,694 --> 00:19:45,054 Speaker 1: There's this belief that you can retrain into new habits 388 00:19:45,094 --> 00:19:47,014 Speaker 1: in two weeks. Do you think that's actually true, that 389 00:19:47,054 --> 00:19:49,214 Speaker 1: we could be making better choices for ourselves in as 390 00:19:49,214 --> 00:19:50,294 Speaker 1: little as a fortnite? 391 00:19:50,534 --> 00:19:52,374 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is. I think as long as 392 00:19:52,374 --> 00:19:54,414 Speaker 5: those goals are realistic. 393 00:19:53,894 --> 00:19:56,574 Speaker 8: And you've got a small steps approach when you're trying 394 00:19:56,574 --> 00:19:59,614 Speaker 8: to change habits, a really good way to think about 395 00:19:59,614 --> 00:20:02,734 Speaker 8: it is like small steps, small steps, or a staircase 396 00:20:02,774 --> 00:20:04,174 Speaker 8: that's got you know, the. 397 00:20:04,174 --> 00:20:06,494 Speaker 5: Treads aren't too big. If you try and. 398 00:20:06,494 --> 00:20:08,454 Speaker 8: Say, look, in two weeks time, I'm going to kind 399 00:20:08,454 --> 00:20:11,814 Speaker 8: of completely read the way I think about things. That's 400 00:20:11,854 --> 00:20:13,854 Speaker 8: probably unrealistic. But if you say I want to see 401 00:20:13,854 --> 00:20:16,214 Speaker 8: some positive changes, I'm going to try and introduce a 402 00:20:16,254 --> 00:20:17,014 Speaker 8: couple of things. 403 00:20:17,374 --> 00:20:18,814 Speaker 5: I'm going to go for a walk every. 404 00:20:18,694 --> 00:20:20,894 Speaker 8: Day, or I'm going to start doing some meditation or 405 00:20:20,894 --> 00:20:23,494 Speaker 8: whatever it is. You will see the benefits from that 406 00:20:23,534 --> 00:20:25,214 Speaker 8: in a couple of weeks, and then use that to 407 00:20:25,254 --> 00:20:29,454 Speaker 8: build gradually on some changes that will add to make 408 00:20:29,494 --> 00:20:31,094 Speaker 8: a difference to you mental fitness. 409 00:20:31,694 --> 00:20:33,574 Speaker 1: And of course, lastly, Andrew, if you do suffer a 410 00:20:33,614 --> 00:20:36,614 Speaker 1: mental health issue, I guess part of this whole mental 411 00:20:36,654 --> 00:20:38,974 Speaker 1: fitness program is to make sure that you're checking in 412 00:20:39,014 --> 00:20:41,934 Speaker 1: with your health professionals and making sure the medications you're 413 00:20:41,974 --> 00:20:44,054 Speaker 1: on or all correct and are working well for you, 414 00:20:44,134 --> 00:20:46,854 Speaker 1: and maintaining and making sure you're checking in on that 415 00:20:46,894 --> 00:20:47,574 Speaker 1: stuff too. 416 00:20:47,454 --> 00:20:51,454 Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, absolutely so mental fitness is kind of something 417 00:20:51,454 --> 00:20:54,134 Speaker 8: we should all be focused on, just like being physically 418 00:20:54,174 --> 00:20:56,174 Speaker 8: active and physically tuned up. 419 00:20:56,494 --> 00:20:58,454 Speaker 5: But yeah, I think if your mental health. 420 00:20:58,214 --> 00:21:01,694 Speaker 8: Is really starting to impact your day to day with 421 00:21:02,134 --> 00:21:04,694 Speaker 8: new mood or with anxiety, then really checking in with 422 00:21:04,774 --> 00:21:06,614 Speaker 8: your health professional is super important. 423 00:21:07,414 --> 00:21:09,334 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 424 00:21:09,374 --> 00:21:11,334 Speaker 1: us today. 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