1 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:13,869 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,829 --> 00:00:18,349 Speaker 2: MoMA Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:18,349 --> 00:00:20,069 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:20,269 --> 00:00:23,109 Speaker 1: Hello. I'm Stacy Hicks. I'm the editor of Mamma Mia 5 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:25,629 Speaker 1: and I'm also the host of our new parenting podcast, 6 00:00:25,749 --> 00:00:29,149 Speaker 1: Parenting out Loud. And this summer, we're curating your listening 7 00:00:29,149 --> 00:00:32,189 Speaker 1: with a healthy dose of culture savvy conversations that parents 8 00:00:32,309 --> 00:00:36,229 Speaker 1: actually want. This holiday season, we're bringing you unmissable episodes 9 00:00:36,349 --> 00:00:39,789 Speaker 1: right here into your podcast playlist. 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I'm Monice 18 00:01:11,629 --> 00:01:14,909 Speaker 2: Boy and does it make me a bad person if 19 00:01:14,989 --> 00:01:18,229 Speaker 2: I laugh at Nicole and Keith memes? 20 00:01:18,629 --> 00:01:19,109 Speaker 3: I think? 21 00:01:19,189 --> 00:01:19,269 Speaker 4: So? 22 00:01:19,549 --> 00:01:20,829 Speaker 5: What's been the best one you saw? 23 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:21,629 Speaker 6: Oh? 24 00:01:21,669 --> 00:01:23,509 Speaker 2: The hair straightener one. Oh, it was like they have 25 00:01:23,549 --> 00:01:26,429 Speaker 2: to divide up their hair straightness. I laugh and I 26 00:01:26,469 --> 00:01:27,389 Speaker 2: feel so guilty. 27 00:01:27,989 --> 00:01:30,349 Speaker 1: Look, you can laugh about the memes. Don't laugh about 28 00:01:30,349 --> 00:01:32,749 Speaker 1: their divorce. But we'll laugh about the memes. They're there 29 00:01:32,789 --> 00:01:36,109 Speaker 1: for us. I'm Amelia Lester, I am Stacy Hicks, and 30 00:01:36,149 --> 00:01:37,909 Speaker 1: I'm not laughing at the memes so far. 31 00:01:38,189 --> 00:01:39,389 Speaker 2: No, you're better than me. 32 00:01:40,349 --> 00:01:44,069 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Taylor Swift has emotionally ruined 33 00:01:44,109 --> 00:01:46,589 Speaker 1: all the eldest daughters across the globe this week, So 34 00:01:46,629 --> 00:01:49,109 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about whether there's actually any truth 35 00:01:49,149 --> 00:01:50,189 Speaker 1: to the birth order theory. 36 00:01:50,709 --> 00:01:54,429 Speaker 3: Plus, magicians are having a moment, and not just with kids. 37 00:01:54,669 --> 00:01:55,949 Speaker 3: We need to unpack why. 38 00:01:56,309 --> 00:01:59,509 Speaker 2: Oh, and good news for sports parents. A World Cup 39 00:01:59,589 --> 00:02:03,749 Speaker 2: champion says, please stop showing up to kids practice. 40 00:02:04,069 --> 00:02:06,829 Speaker 1: But first, are you guys feeling a bit six seven 41 00:02:06,909 --> 00:02:07,349 Speaker 1: this week? 42 00:02:07,549 --> 00:02:08,869 Speaker 5: Can you explain what this is? 43 00:02:08,989 --> 00:02:11,549 Speaker 3: Because I have all of the sudden hearing it everywhere. 44 00:02:11,709 --> 00:02:15,109 Speaker 1: Yeah, like every school age child I know in Australia 45 00:02:15,149 --> 00:02:17,629 Speaker 1: at the moment is just repeating the numbers six seven. 46 00:02:17,709 --> 00:02:20,629 Speaker 1: And I made myself the task of finding out why 47 00:02:20,669 --> 00:02:23,949 Speaker 1: they're doing this. So they're using this in a variety 48 00:02:24,029 --> 00:02:26,629 Speaker 1: of ways, like if someone asked your height, they'll scream 49 00:02:26,749 --> 00:02:29,349 Speaker 1: six seven, And if, like they see the numbers on 50 00:02:29,349 --> 00:02:32,309 Speaker 1: the whiteboard at school, they'll say six seven, and it's 51 00:02:32,349 --> 00:02:36,429 Speaker 1: in that voice always. So this all started with scriller. 52 00:02:36,749 --> 00:02:39,389 Speaker 1: What's a scriller, you may ask? That is a rapper 53 00:02:39,629 --> 00:02:42,549 Speaker 1: and he has this song called doot Dude where he 54 00:02:42,629 --> 00:02:47,029 Speaker 1: repeats six seven six seven in the song. Kids started 55 00:02:47,149 --> 00:02:51,269 Speaker 1: using this song over the top of mostly sports video edits, 56 00:02:51,309 --> 00:02:54,829 Speaker 1: like basketball edits. Of their favorite basketball is one in particular, 57 00:02:54,989 --> 00:02:58,189 Speaker 1: Lamello Ball. So he's a Charlotte Hornets player and he's 58 00:02:58,469 --> 00:03:02,309 Speaker 1: six seven in height. Ok right, so this is where 59 00:03:02,309 --> 00:03:04,389 Speaker 1: it's come from. So they started using it for this, 60 00:03:04,789 --> 00:03:08,669 Speaker 1: But now it's just transformed to the point where kids 61 00:03:08,709 --> 00:03:11,349 Speaker 1: are just yelling it for fun or they're using it 62 00:03:11,389 --> 00:03:13,589 Speaker 1: to mean so. So so if you say how are 63 00:03:13,589 --> 00:03:16,829 Speaker 1: you going, they go, oh, six seven six seven, So 64 00:03:16,989 --> 00:03:20,229 Speaker 1: basically it means nothing and instead it's just meaning BITMD. 65 00:03:20,349 --> 00:03:22,549 Speaker 3: I'm really just relieves it has nothing to do with 66 00:03:22,629 --> 00:03:23,309 Speaker 3: sixty nine. 67 00:03:23,549 --> 00:03:25,149 Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's very PG. 68 00:03:25,789 --> 00:03:28,029 Speaker 2: Okay, here's something I saw this week for sporting parents. 69 00:03:28,429 --> 00:03:30,269 Speaker 2: Do you know Abby Womback. 70 00:03:30,189 --> 00:03:31,469 Speaker 1: Yes, like Olympian. 71 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:33,909 Speaker 2: Right, She's an Olympian, so she's literally one of the 72 00:03:33,949 --> 00:03:37,789 Speaker 2: world's best soccer players. She's a world champion, won two 73 00:03:37,829 --> 00:03:41,069 Speaker 2: Olympic golds. All of that. She dropped a bomb on 74 00:03:41,109 --> 00:03:44,949 Speaker 2: her podcast this week and said parents need to stop 75 00:03:44,989 --> 00:03:47,989 Speaker 2: going to their kids' sports practices. And my ears pricked 76 00:03:48,029 --> 00:03:51,269 Speaker 2: up so quickly at this because her reason is great, 77 00:03:51,389 --> 00:03:52,109 Speaker 2: have a listen to this. 78 00:03:52,629 --> 00:03:53,349 Speaker 1: Are we supposed to. 79 00:03:53,349 --> 00:03:54,549 Speaker 3: Go to every practice? 80 00:03:54,749 --> 00:03:58,029 Speaker 7: No, that is no. Actually on my dunts list, do 81 00:03:58,189 --> 00:04:00,629 Speaker 7: not go to the practices and watch your children. This 82 00:04:00,789 --> 00:04:01,509 Speaker 7: is their time? 83 00:04:02,189 --> 00:04:05,669 Speaker 5: And ever ever, are you seriously no practice? 84 00:04:05,749 --> 00:04:09,389 Speaker 7: Because just think about this practice? What is the purpose 85 00:04:09,429 --> 00:04:13,549 Speaker 7: of practice? It is not for It's not for the 86 00:04:13,669 --> 00:04:15,989 Speaker 7: kid to look over their shoulder and make sure that 87 00:04:16,029 --> 00:04:18,869 Speaker 7: their mom or dad or parent is sitting on the 88 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:23,109 Speaker 7: sideline watching them. Practice is for free play for them 89 00:04:23,509 --> 00:04:26,629 Speaker 7: that there is nothing that's going to encumber them from 90 00:04:26,749 --> 00:04:30,509 Speaker 7: trying something new, making taking a risk, making a mistake, 91 00:04:30,749 --> 00:04:33,869 Speaker 7: trying something being successful. Because what we're then doing is 92 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:36,109 Speaker 7: we're externalizing all of our motivation. 93 00:04:36,469 --> 00:04:36,629 Speaker 6: Ah. 94 00:04:36,789 --> 00:04:38,309 Speaker 2: I want this on a T shirt. I want this 95 00:04:38,349 --> 00:04:40,869 Speaker 2: tattooed on my body. I want to buy a billboard 96 00:04:40,909 --> 00:04:43,789 Speaker 2: of this and put it next to a stadium or 97 00:04:43,829 --> 00:04:47,469 Speaker 2: a sports field, Stacey, are we just all completely over 98 00:04:47,469 --> 00:04:48,549 Speaker 2: involved sideline parents? 99 00:04:48,549 --> 00:04:50,749 Speaker 1: Now it's one of those things. Now I've heard it, 100 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:52,989 Speaker 1: it does feel so much like one of those areas 101 00:04:53,029 --> 00:04:56,869 Speaker 1: where parents have become overinvolved compared to previous generations. Like, 102 00:04:57,149 --> 00:04:58,829 Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys. Growing up, I can't 103 00:04:58,829 --> 00:05:02,189 Speaker 1: remember my parents being there for like guitar practice or golf. 104 00:05:02,309 --> 00:05:04,349 Speaker 1: I also did that for a while. Don't remember them 105 00:05:04,509 --> 00:05:06,989 Speaker 1: ever being there for that, probably because they knew I'd 106 00:05:06,989 --> 00:05:09,029 Speaker 1: never stick to it. But I think it is one 107 00:05:09,029 --> 00:05:11,549 Speaker 1: of those things where you go so parents being their 108 00:05:11,629 --> 00:05:15,749 Speaker 1: equals pressure, and so when there's pressure, you probably won't 109 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:17,629 Speaker 1: want to do it. So it is probably a good 110 00:05:17,669 --> 00:05:19,349 Speaker 1: thing for us to be backing out. Like, do you 111 00:05:19,389 --> 00:05:21,869 Speaker 1: think it's maybe a guilt thing as well, that we 112 00:05:21,909 --> 00:05:24,269 Speaker 1: feel like we have to be there because we're not 113 00:05:24,389 --> 00:05:26,189 Speaker 1: there for other areas of their life. 114 00:05:26,349 --> 00:05:28,269 Speaker 3: I think it's definitely a guilt thing, but I think 115 00:05:28,269 --> 00:05:31,909 Speaker 3: that we can apply it to not just sports but everything. 116 00:05:32,149 --> 00:05:35,029 Speaker 3: So this immediately made me think about the fact that 117 00:05:35,229 --> 00:05:38,429 Speaker 3: in one of my kids' classes, parents are invited to 118 00:05:38,469 --> 00:05:41,909 Speaker 3: come in to volunteer, and I felt guilty, so of 119 00:05:41,949 --> 00:05:46,389 Speaker 3: course I signed up to volunteer. And then my son 120 00:05:46,509 --> 00:05:49,269 Speaker 3: said to me, I don't want you coming in, and 121 00:05:49,429 --> 00:05:52,069 Speaker 3: at first I was a little bit offended, and well 122 00:05:52,109 --> 00:05:54,389 Speaker 3: not at first I was offended, and so I went 123 00:05:54,429 --> 00:05:56,829 Speaker 3: to his teacher and I said, he doesn't want me 124 00:05:56,909 --> 00:05:59,149 Speaker 3: coming in to help out. Why doesn't he want me 125 00:05:59,189 --> 00:06:02,749 Speaker 3: coming in? And she said something very profound, which is 126 00:06:02,789 --> 00:06:05,069 Speaker 3: that a lot of students don't want their parents to 127 00:06:05,149 --> 00:06:08,349 Speaker 3: visit the classroom because the classroom is a site of learning. 128 00:06:08,749 --> 00:06:11,549 Speaker 3: It's therefore a site of vulnerability. You're trying new things, 129 00:06:11,589 --> 00:06:14,229 Speaker 3: just like Abby said in the clip, and they want 130 00:06:14,269 --> 00:06:16,389 Speaker 3: privacy for that. They want to be able to try 131 00:06:16,549 --> 00:06:20,309 Speaker 3: new things without their parents looking at them and observing them. 132 00:06:20,749 --> 00:06:22,829 Speaker 3: And I thought that was so profound, and it can 133 00:06:22,869 --> 00:06:25,949 Speaker 3: be applied to so many areas of life, and if 134 00:06:25,989 --> 00:06:28,829 Speaker 3: you think about it, it's not that unusual to want 135 00:06:28,869 --> 00:06:30,509 Speaker 3: privacy when you're trying something new. 136 00:06:30,549 --> 00:06:33,909 Speaker 1: It can be embarrassing. They say the same even with food, 137 00:06:34,149 --> 00:06:36,029 Speaker 1: like you know at meal times, when you're trying to 138 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:38,109 Speaker 1: get your kids to eat a lot of the research 139 00:06:38,149 --> 00:06:40,629 Speaker 1: around that is that you just need to lean right back, 140 00:06:40,789 --> 00:06:43,309 Speaker 1: like if your laser focused on them and staring at 141 00:06:43,349 --> 00:06:45,229 Speaker 1: them while they eat, they will clam up and not 142 00:06:45,269 --> 00:06:46,989 Speaker 1: want to do it. So it is about kind of 143 00:06:47,349 --> 00:06:50,349 Speaker 1: removing ourselves from situations where we feel like we need 144 00:06:50,389 --> 00:06:52,229 Speaker 1: to be right in there to support. 145 00:06:51,949 --> 00:06:54,909 Speaker 3: Which is so odd because adults love it when people 146 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:57,349 Speaker 3: lean in and stare at the every. 147 00:06:57,109 --> 00:07:01,189 Speaker 2: Four years as someone that played an enormous amount of 148 00:07:01,229 --> 00:07:04,189 Speaker 2: sport throughout their whole childhood and then in teen years 149 00:07:04,189 --> 00:07:09,229 Speaker 2: and then in adult years, sport lets you learn. It 150 00:07:09,309 --> 00:07:12,349 Speaker 2: teaches you who to be, and it's a place where 151 00:07:12,389 --> 00:07:17,389 Speaker 2: you can solve problems and negotiate and reconcile things and 152 00:07:17,629 --> 00:07:21,309 Speaker 2: kind of work out your internal battles. And that is 153 00:07:21,349 --> 00:07:24,429 Speaker 2: something that's going to be difficult to do when your 154 00:07:24,509 --> 00:07:27,909 Speaker 2: parents are there watching. And it also undermines the role 155 00:07:27,949 --> 00:07:30,349 Speaker 2: of a coach and the role of the one sort 156 00:07:30,389 --> 00:07:34,629 Speaker 2: of adult leader in a space. There's all this research 157 00:07:34,709 --> 00:07:37,549 Speaker 2: about this about how when kids aren't being directed or 158 00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:39,749 Speaker 2: helped and I know, you know, sitting on the sideline 159 00:07:40,069 --> 00:07:42,829 Speaker 2: and passively watching a kid doing a sport, you would 160 00:07:42,909 --> 00:07:45,309 Speaker 2: argue that's actually not directing them or helping them, but 161 00:07:45,349 --> 00:07:48,829 Speaker 2: it is. It's this constant understanding that they are being 162 00:07:48,909 --> 00:07:52,509 Speaker 2: watched and it changes the dynamic in the room. And 163 00:07:52,589 --> 00:07:55,669 Speaker 2: what the researchers say in this is that when you 164 00:07:55,749 --> 00:07:58,109 Speaker 2: step back when you are not there, that is the 165 00:07:58,149 --> 00:08:02,349 Speaker 2: training ground for them to learn executive function, creativity, social skills, 166 00:08:02,389 --> 00:08:06,789 Speaker 2: resilience to take risks to fail. And the constant oversight 167 00:08:06,829 --> 00:08:10,349 Speaker 2: of parents in intensive parenting often says to children, I 168 00:08:10,389 --> 00:08:12,589 Speaker 2: don't trust you to do this alone, and that can 169 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:16,269 Speaker 2: erode confidence. So if we step back, if we don't attend, 170 00:08:16,389 --> 00:08:18,749 Speaker 2: if we are not there all the time, we show 171 00:08:18,869 --> 00:08:22,389 Speaker 2: kids that we believe in their capacity. And I think 172 00:08:22,429 --> 00:08:25,469 Speaker 2: this is really important to just step back and let 173 00:08:25,549 --> 00:08:27,829 Speaker 2: kids have a space of their own to work out 174 00:08:27,869 --> 00:08:28,429 Speaker 2: who they are. 175 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:31,109 Speaker 3: That makes so much sense, and it reminds me also 176 00:08:31,309 --> 00:08:34,669 Speaker 3: of how this is one of those instances where sometimes 177 00:08:34,709 --> 00:08:38,509 Speaker 3: I feel like we forget that kids are actually human too. 178 00:08:38,709 --> 00:08:41,109 Speaker 3: They're not these sort of alien creatures who we have 179 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:45,629 Speaker 3: to decode. No one likes the micromanaging boss. People like 180 00:08:45,709 --> 00:08:48,749 Speaker 3: it when their boss trusts them to do what they 181 00:08:48,749 --> 00:08:52,109 Speaker 3: are there to do, and children are exactly the same. 182 00:08:52,349 --> 00:08:55,149 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so right, Like if someone's there asking you 183 00:08:55,189 --> 00:08:57,349 Speaker 1: about your every task and making sure you're doing it 184 00:08:57,349 --> 00:08:59,349 Speaker 1: the right way. Even if they're being encouraging, like even 185 00:08:59,389 --> 00:09:02,309 Speaker 1: if you're on the sideline giving them so much support, 186 00:09:02,389 --> 00:09:05,629 Speaker 1: with every mistake they make, you're still there interrupting their 187 00:09:05,629 --> 00:09:09,069 Speaker 1: flow and interrupting their focus and interrupting their chance to 188 00:09:09,109 --> 00:09:11,829 Speaker 1: make a mistake offf it up and correct it themselves. 189 00:09:12,229 --> 00:09:14,549 Speaker 1: So we really are like taking away their autonomy in 190 00:09:14,589 --> 00:09:17,189 Speaker 1: a big way. It's really interesting that she's framed it 191 00:09:17,229 --> 00:09:18,829 Speaker 1: like that, because I've never thought about it that way. 192 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:21,269 Speaker 2: There's also a part of it where if you go 193 00:09:21,349 --> 00:09:23,629 Speaker 2: and toil over something by yourself or with a group 194 00:09:23,669 --> 00:09:26,029 Speaker 2: of your peers for a long time and your parents 195 00:09:26,029 --> 00:09:28,309 Speaker 2: aren't there to watch you at the point that when 196 00:09:28,349 --> 00:09:30,589 Speaker 2: they are, you get to show them how far you've come. 197 00:09:30,869 --> 00:09:34,269 Speaker 2: And one of the defining moments of my life was 198 00:09:34,309 --> 00:09:38,149 Speaker 2: when I was living away from home. I was at 199 00:09:38,349 --> 00:09:41,349 Speaker 2: the AIS on a basketball scholarship. I was toiling away 200 00:09:41,389 --> 00:09:43,989 Speaker 2: every single day, and then the moment that it came 201 00:09:44,029 --> 00:09:46,669 Speaker 2: together was for me was I was playing for Australia 202 00:09:46,709 --> 00:09:49,669 Speaker 2: in a World Championships and I'd been traveling with this 203 00:09:49,709 --> 00:09:52,389 Speaker 2: team overseas for a long time, and then at the 204 00:09:52,429 --> 00:09:54,629 Speaker 2: first game of the World Championships, I looked up into 205 00:09:54,669 --> 00:09:57,429 Speaker 2: the crowd singing the national anthem, and my parents were 206 00:09:57,469 --> 00:10:00,069 Speaker 2: there and it was like, look what I've done. I 207 00:10:00,149 --> 00:10:02,909 Speaker 2: get to show you what I've been doing this whole 208 00:10:02,909 --> 00:10:04,949 Speaker 2: time without you being there, and now you're there to 209 00:10:04,989 --> 00:10:06,829 Speaker 2: see the kind of fruits of the labor. And that 210 00:10:06,989 --> 00:10:09,549 Speaker 2: was like one of those defining moments. And it wouldn't 211 00:10:09,549 --> 00:10:12,389 Speaker 2: have been as significant if they were at every single 212 00:10:12,389 --> 00:10:15,069 Speaker 2: game and practice and being my shadow the whole time. 213 00:10:15,149 --> 00:10:17,309 Speaker 2: It was look at me, I get to grow up. 214 00:10:17,669 --> 00:10:19,989 Speaker 1: Okay, that just gave me goose from yeah me too. 215 00:10:20,229 --> 00:10:22,469 Speaker 1: That's so lovely and yeah, so true. So we all 216 00:10:22,509 --> 00:10:25,709 Speaker 1: just need to back off. Really. So, my close personal 217 00:10:25,749 --> 00:10:28,669 Speaker 1: friend Taylor Swift released an album this week called Life 218 00:10:28,669 --> 00:10:32,069 Speaker 1: of a show Girl, and before anyone even heard the album, 219 00:10:32,189 --> 00:10:35,429 Speaker 1: there was mass hysteria about track five, the most important 220 00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:38,029 Speaker 1: track every time on the album, because it is called 221 00:10:38,189 --> 00:10:40,229 Speaker 1: Eldest Daughter and it's brought up a kind of a 222 00:10:40,269 --> 00:10:43,909 Speaker 1: bigger conversation around birth order. So lots of people were 223 00:10:43,949 --> 00:10:46,469 Speaker 1: reacting to this saying, you know, this is going to 224 00:10:46,469 --> 00:10:48,549 Speaker 1: be one for the girls who never feel like they're 225 00:10:48,589 --> 00:10:51,629 Speaker 1: good enough. They're the chronic people pleases of the family, 226 00:10:52,189 --> 00:10:55,709 Speaker 1: and it reminded me of this podcast. Doctor Gabor Marte 227 00:10:55,829 --> 00:10:59,229 Speaker 1: was on the Mel Robins podcast speaking about birth order 228 00:10:59,269 --> 00:11:01,629 Speaker 1: and how much birth order can affect the type of 229 00:11:01,669 --> 00:11:02,389 Speaker 1: person you are. 230 00:11:02,669 --> 00:11:05,469 Speaker 8: No siblings grow up in the seam mars, no siblings 231 00:11:05,549 --> 00:11:08,229 Speaker 8: have the same parents, No siblings of the same family, 232 00:11:08,629 --> 00:11:11,989 Speaker 8: no siblings of the same childhood. Why not the whole 233 00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:15,229 Speaker 8: lot of reasons. Number one, there's the birth order. Parents 234 00:11:15,269 --> 00:11:16,949 Speaker 8: don't relate to the first child the way they were 235 00:11:16,989 --> 00:11:19,829 Speaker 8: to the second child. Then there's gender differences. And I'm 236 00:11:19,829 --> 00:11:21,309 Speaker 8: not doing word by their parents love the kids, and 237 00:11:21,469 --> 00:11:23,789 Speaker 8: I'm talking know what it actually happens. The child doesn't 238 00:11:23,789 --> 00:11:27,069 Speaker 8: experience the parents love. The child experiences the way the 239 00:11:27,109 --> 00:11:29,949 Speaker 8: parents shows up. Number two, the parts relationship might be 240 00:11:29,989 --> 00:11:32,949 Speaker 8: in a different phase one child and another. Then the 241 00:11:33,029 --> 00:11:35,789 Speaker 8: parents might be in a different economic situation, The parents 242 00:11:35,869 --> 00:11:36,789 Speaker 8: lays may be different. 243 00:11:37,149 --> 00:11:38,829 Speaker 1: And he goes on to say, even if it blew 244 00:11:38,909 --> 00:11:43,189 Speaker 1: my mind, isn't it so interesting? No child is raised 245 00:11:43,229 --> 00:11:46,309 Speaker 1: in the same household. And he goes on to say, 246 00:11:46,429 --> 00:11:49,509 Speaker 1: even if, even if you could give every single one 247 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:51,429 Speaker 1: of your children, Say you had three children, and you 248 00:11:51,429 --> 00:11:54,229 Speaker 1: could give them the same exact parenting at the same 249 00:11:54,269 --> 00:11:57,549 Speaker 1: exact moment, in time, then temperament comes into that as well, 250 00:11:57,749 --> 00:12:00,509 Speaker 1: So it's how they experience you as much as what 251 00:12:00,709 --> 00:12:03,789 Speaker 1: you are giving them. How much do you buy into 252 00:12:03,869 --> 00:12:07,149 Speaker 1: the concept of birth order affecting your personality type? 253 00:12:07,189 --> 00:12:07,269 Speaker 3: Like? 254 00:12:07,309 --> 00:12:09,189 Speaker 1: Do we need to check on all their eldest daughters? 255 00:12:09,429 --> 00:12:12,549 Speaker 2: I have a few before we get there. Does Taylor 256 00:12:12,669 --> 00:12:14,149 Speaker 2: Swift have siblings? 257 00:12:14,429 --> 00:12:16,709 Speaker 1: She does, so she is the eldest daughter with a 258 00:12:16,789 --> 00:12:18,389 Speaker 1: younger brother, Austin. 259 00:12:18,869 --> 00:12:21,389 Speaker 2: Is there any science behind birth order? 260 00:12:21,469 --> 00:12:21,549 Speaker 1: Like? 261 00:12:21,669 --> 00:12:25,069 Speaker 2: Is there any research, any proper psychological studies behind it? 262 00:12:25,309 --> 00:12:29,709 Speaker 3: There are some research, and very loosely speaking, here are 263 00:12:29,709 --> 00:12:33,869 Speaker 3: the generalizations that they've decided can be attributed to each child. 264 00:12:33,909 --> 00:12:38,549 Speaker 3: So firstborns tend to bask in their parents' presence, sometimes 265 00:12:38,589 --> 00:12:41,789 Speaker 3: called mini adults because they've spent so much time with adults, 266 00:12:41,869 --> 00:12:45,669 Speaker 3: kind of one on one, and that undivided attention, researchers 267 00:12:45,709 --> 00:12:50,469 Speaker 3: think is why they are often overachievers, because they tend 268 00:12:50,509 --> 00:12:53,309 Speaker 3: to have had all the expectations placed on them, and 269 00:12:53,349 --> 00:12:55,909 Speaker 3: then they want to live up to those expectations, and 270 00:12:55,949 --> 00:12:58,709 Speaker 3: they tend to be Typai personalities as well as a result. 271 00:12:58,789 --> 00:13:01,829 Speaker 3: I know you are both eldest daughters. Monds played a 272 00:13:01,869 --> 00:13:06,429 Speaker 3: sport for Australia. You played golf. Tell us about whether. 273 00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:10,029 Speaker 2: You and you're an editor? You're an editor of a website? Now, yes, 274 00:13:10,429 --> 00:13:11,109 Speaker 2: you are you? 275 00:13:11,229 --> 00:13:14,749 Speaker 1: Type A Type A to a T like. I think 276 00:13:14,909 --> 00:13:18,069 Speaker 1: I very much play into the birth order theory. I 277 00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:21,709 Speaker 1: think every characteristic that's listed for an eldest daughter, I 278 00:13:21,749 --> 00:13:24,189 Speaker 1: generally seem to play into what about you Mon's. 279 00:13:23,989 --> 00:13:26,189 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a Type A with a Type B rising. 280 00:13:26,229 --> 00:13:28,269 Speaker 2: I think I want to be Type B. Yeah, I 281 00:13:28,309 --> 00:13:29,389 Speaker 2: am a Type A. 282 00:13:29,389 --> 00:13:30,829 Speaker 5: All type as want to be Type B. 283 00:13:31,029 --> 00:13:33,149 Speaker 1: That's a classic trait of a type A is that 284 00:13:33,229 --> 00:13:35,389 Speaker 1: we want to be type B. We just won't. 285 00:13:35,749 --> 00:13:38,509 Speaker 3: Middle children tend to go with the flow. They tend 286 00:13:38,589 --> 00:13:40,469 Speaker 3: to have really I thought this was interesting. They tend 287 00:13:40,509 --> 00:13:43,309 Speaker 3: to have really strong relationships with their friends because they're 288 00:13:43,349 --> 00:13:46,189 Speaker 3: the ones who are often overlooked in their immediate family. 289 00:13:46,909 --> 00:13:50,029 Speaker 3: And then youngest children get the most last a fair parenting. 290 00:13:50,469 --> 00:13:54,269 Speaker 3: They tend to be adventurous and attention seeking. I am 291 00:13:54,429 --> 00:13:57,389 Speaker 3: a youngest child and this is true of me. And 292 00:13:57,469 --> 00:14:00,269 Speaker 3: also youngest children tend to be Type B because people 293 00:14:00,269 --> 00:14:02,389 Speaker 3: are just entranced by how cute they are when they 294 00:14:02,389 --> 00:14:04,309 Speaker 3: walk in a room. You know, we don't have to. 295 00:14:04,269 --> 00:14:05,389 Speaker 5: Perform at a high level. 296 00:14:05,429 --> 00:14:07,349 Speaker 1: That's what I always say when you walk into a room, 297 00:14:07,429 --> 00:14:08,109 Speaker 1: how cute you are. 298 00:14:08,149 --> 00:14:10,509 Speaker 3: And that's why I didn't play a sport for Australia. 299 00:14:10,589 --> 00:14:14,349 Speaker 3: So research shows actually that many famous actors and comedians 300 00:14:14,429 --> 00:14:16,469 Speaker 3: tend to be the babies of their family. So it's 301 00:14:16,509 --> 00:14:19,349 Speaker 3: interesting that Taylor's kind of bucking that trend a little bit. 302 00:14:19,469 --> 00:14:21,149 Speaker 5: Yeah, her family very much. 303 00:14:21,029 --> 00:14:24,429 Speaker 3: Like organized their lives around the building of her career. 304 00:14:24,469 --> 00:14:27,149 Speaker 3: They moved to Nashville when she was a teenager to 305 00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:31,429 Speaker 3: pursue her interest in country music, and interestingly, Austin Swift, 306 00:14:31,469 --> 00:14:34,109 Speaker 3: three years younger than her, I went onto his Instagram 307 00:14:34,149 --> 00:14:35,349 Speaker 3: and did a bit of a deep dive. 308 00:14:35,469 --> 00:14:37,269 Speaker 5: They have a lovely relationship. 309 00:14:37,269 --> 00:14:39,829 Speaker 3: It seems he now is in charge of licensing music 310 00:14:39,949 --> 00:14:43,149 Speaker 3: for her, but he's written some really beautiful things about 311 00:14:43,149 --> 00:14:46,109 Speaker 3: her on Instagram. For instance, he's written, I've always had 312 00:14:46,109 --> 00:14:49,349 Speaker 3: a best friend, a role model, and a caring, tireless, 313 00:14:49,349 --> 00:14:52,749 Speaker 3: dedicated champion in my corner, which I just think is like, 314 00:14:53,149 --> 00:14:55,229 Speaker 3: when is my brother going to write that about me? 315 00:14:56,029 --> 00:14:56,869 Speaker 5: And when she. 316 00:14:56,869 --> 00:14:59,949 Speaker 3: Released Evermore, that second album she released during the pandemic, 317 00:15:00,309 --> 00:15:02,669 Speaker 3: he wrote as a brother and a friend, I couldn't 318 00:15:02,669 --> 00:15:03,589 Speaker 3: be more proud. 319 00:15:04,309 --> 00:15:06,829 Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that just lovely and so lovely? But 320 00:15:06,909 --> 00:15:09,349 Speaker 1: don't you think the things he's saying are kind of 321 00:15:09,469 --> 00:15:12,669 Speaker 1: things that you would say about a parent. Like I 322 00:15:12,709 --> 00:15:15,389 Speaker 1: have a bit of a theory about eldest daughters and 323 00:15:15,549 --> 00:15:19,189 Speaker 1: why we kind of assign so much of our personality 324 00:15:19,229 --> 00:15:22,069 Speaker 1: type too being an eldest daughter, And I think it's 325 00:15:22,109 --> 00:15:26,669 Speaker 1: because very often, if the eldest is a girl, there's 326 00:15:26,789 --> 00:15:30,349 Speaker 1: what they call parentification, so where they become kind of 327 00:15:30,389 --> 00:15:34,229 Speaker 1: the secondary caregiver or the third caregiver to the younger siblings, 328 00:15:34,269 --> 00:15:37,229 Speaker 1: and they kind of become that mediator between the parents, 329 00:15:37,349 --> 00:15:40,069 Speaker 1: especially if there's any tension in the household. The eldest 330 00:15:40,149 --> 00:15:43,909 Speaker 1: daughter becomes the middleman between the parents and the younger sibling. 331 00:15:44,269 --> 00:15:46,909 Speaker 1: They take on that kind of more nurturing role for them, 332 00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:49,669 Speaker 1: and so I think they probably do build up feelings 333 00:15:49,669 --> 00:15:52,229 Speaker 1: of resentment towards the younger siblings. 334 00:15:52,509 --> 00:15:55,669 Speaker 3: I want to ask the two oldest daughters about the 335 00:15:55,789 --> 00:15:59,349 Speaker 3: idea that parents get better at parenting when they get 336 00:15:59,429 --> 00:16:00,469 Speaker 3: more practice. 337 00:16:00,509 --> 00:16:02,309 Speaker 5: Are you both aware of. 338 00:16:02,269 --> 00:16:05,749 Speaker 3: The fact that your parents refined their parenting as they 339 00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:07,789 Speaker 3: went along, and that you got the novices. 340 00:16:08,429 --> 00:16:11,109 Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't believe they refine it. 341 00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:14,069 Speaker 2: I believe they probably relax. There a noose about it. 342 00:16:14,229 --> 00:16:16,109 Speaker 2: Like if you think about the difference between how you 343 00:16:16,149 --> 00:16:18,709 Speaker 2: parent your first child and then the subsequent ones, you 344 00:16:18,749 --> 00:16:22,229 Speaker 2: are way more relaxed with subsequent children. 345 00:16:22,309 --> 00:16:24,629 Speaker 1: But this is like saying where the first pancake and 346 00:16:24,669 --> 00:16:29,589 Speaker 1: the first pancake you make is always exactly is always 347 00:16:29,589 --> 00:16:31,829 Speaker 1: a bit rubbish, And it's the second one where you 348 00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:34,549 Speaker 1: just go, yeah, I've got this, like I'll give it 349 00:16:34,589 --> 00:16:37,589 Speaker 1: a flip. Whatever however it turns out is fine, and 350 00:16:37,629 --> 00:16:40,909 Speaker 1: so that's always the better one. So yeah, like maybe 351 00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:42,589 Speaker 1: there is something in being the youngers. 352 00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:43,749 Speaker 5: I want to be the youngers. 353 00:16:44,229 --> 00:16:45,869 Speaker 2: Can we go back to Taylor Swift for a minute. 354 00:16:45,909 --> 00:16:50,629 Speaker 2: If you index the eldest daughter traits against what Taylor 355 00:16:50,669 --> 00:16:52,429 Speaker 2: Swift does, she does seem to be kind of the 356 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:56,669 Speaker 2: embodiment of eldest daughter energy. So there's the overachievement, there's 357 00:16:56,709 --> 00:17:01,509 Speaker 2: the perfectionism, there's the type a personality. There's the productivity 358 00:17:01,589 --> 00:17:06,029 Speaker 2: which just seems to be astronomical. There's the reliability. She 359 00:17:06,109 --> 00:17:09,989 Speaker 2: reliably releases albums all the time. Even that decision to 360 00:17:10,269 --> 00:17:13,749 Speaker 2: re record that entire back catalog was very eldest daughter 361 00:17:13,949 --> 00:17:17,989 Speaker 2: coded of I will control this, I will make this right. 362 00:17:18,629 --> 00:17:20,789 Speaker 2: So I do feel like this track five is probably 363 00:17:20,829 --> 00:17:23,749 Speaker 2: that nod to understanding, like her drive and her perfectionism. 364 00:17:24,109 --> 00:17:26,149 Speaker 2: But my question for you, Stacy, as the top tier 365 00:17:26,189 --> 00:17:30,229 Speaker 2: Swifty in this group, once Taylor Swift gives something cultural gravitas, 366 00:17:30,589 --> 00:17:33,429 Speaker 2: So once she releases this, once the eldest daughter is 367 00:17:33,469 --> 00:17:35,749 Speaker 2: out in the cultural space, are we going to see 368 00:17:35,789 --> 00:17:38,349 Speaker 2: a big movement here once she names this? Are we 369 00:17:38,389 --> 00:17:42,629 Speaker 2: going to see a whole mainstream movement of eldest daughter stuff, 370 00:17:43,109 --> 00:17:47,989 Speaker 2: merch movements, all the kind of mainstream hype around a thing. 371 00:17:48,149 --> 00:17:51,349 Speaker 1: I feel like we almost already are just from the 372 00:17:51,349 --> 00:17:53,549 Speaker 1: track list. Like when people saw that, I could not 373 00:17:53,629 --> 00:17:57,109 Speaker 1: believe the amount of tiktoks. I saw like they definitely 374 00:17:57,229 --> 00:17:59,869 Speaker 1: know me my algorithm because I was getting all of 375 00:17:59,869 --> 00:18:03,109 Speaker 1: these videos, and it very much was a we've got permission, 376 00:18:03,149 --> 00:18:05,269 Speaker 1: We're proud to be the eldest, Like look at look 377 00:18:05,309 --> 00:18:07,829 Speaker 1: at our icon in being an eldest daughter, in Taylor 378 00:18:07,869 --> 00:18:10,709 Speaker 1: Swift and what she does, like the length she goes 379 00:18:10,749 --> 00:18:13,829 Speaker 1: to in her career and in her life, and it 380 00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:15,909 Speaker 1: kind of just gives you permission to lean into that 381 00:18:15,949 --> 00:18:16,829 Speaker 1: if that's who you are. 382 00:18:17,149 --> 00:18:20,669 Speaker 2: Does birth order? Is it giving astrology a little bit 383 00:18:20,829 --> 00:18:22,749 Speaker 2: like you see a label, you know the way that 384 00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:25,349 Speaker 2: astrology You read your horoscope and you can kind of 385 00:18:25,389 --> 00:18:27,469 Speaker 2: take anything out of it that you need to. So 386 00:18:27,709 --> 00:18:31,229 Speaker 2: these ideas about birth order, where you're the responsible one, 387 00:18:31,269 --> 00:18:33,709 Speaker 2: you're the peacekeeper, you're the baby in the clown and 388 00:18:33,749 --> 00:18:35,429 Speaker 2: you kind of grab onto it. Is it just that 389 00:18:35,469 --> 00:18:39,029 Speaker 2: we're searching for meaning, and so anytime someone puts out 390 00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:41,509 Speaker 2: a theory of like, here's you already made identity, we 391 00:18:41,629 --> 00:18:43,549 Speaker 2: kind of cling onto it because it feels good to 392 00:18:43,949 --> 00:18:46,469 Speaker 2: sort yourself into a type and to feel like, oh, yeah, 393 00:18:46,509 --> 00:18:47,229 Speaker 2: I understand that. 394 00:18:47,589 --> 00:18:50,189 Speaker 5: I don't think it's astrology. I think it's real. 395 00:18:50,509 --> 00:18:53,589 Speaker 3: Like doctor Gabor Marte was talking about, there are facts here. 396 00:18:53,909 --> 00:18:56,629 Speaker 3: As parents have more children, they're going to be changing 397 00:18:56,629 --> 00:18:58,909 Speaker 3: their parenting style over time. Yeah. 398 00:18:58,989 --> 00:19:01,789 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I don't believe in astrology at all because I'm 399 00:19:01,829 --> 00:19:05,949 Speaker 1: the most unscorpio scorpio that's ever existed. People often say 400 00:19:05,989 --> 00:19:08,589 Speaker 1: that to me, but I am the most eldest, eldest 401 00:19:08,629 --> 00:19:12,069 Speaker 1: daughter that's ever existed. So I just feel like, anecdotally 402 00:19:12,069 --> 00:19:14,189 Speaker 1: from what I see with everyone. I feel like you 403 00:19:14,229 --> 00:19:17,749 Speaker 1: can pretty easily pick who are the eldest, who are 404 00:19:17,749 --> 00:19:20,149 Speaker 1: the middle, who are the youngest. It definitely does feel 405 00:19:20,189 --> 00:19:23,629 Speaker 1: like there's something in it, and I've even seen experts 406 00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:27,109 Speaker 1: talking about the birth order renewal. So when there's a 407 00:19:27,109 --> 00:19:29,669 Speaker 1: big age gap, so I think they say the number 408 00:19:29,709 --> 00:19:31,989 Speaker 1: is five and up, so more than a five year 409 00:19:32,029 --> 00:19:35,389 Speaker 1: age gap between children, it starts again. I'm glad you 410 00:19:35,469 --> 00:19:39,109 Speaker 1: mentioned this because increasingly that there's also a focus on 411 00:19:39,189 --> 00:19:43,229 Speaker 1: the gap between children as being definitive and is sort 412 00:19:43,229 --> 00:19:46,109 Speaker 1: of setting the tone in a family. And an interesting 413 00:19:46,149 --> 00:19:49,229 Speaker 1: fact is that over the last fifty years, the average 414 00:19:49,269 --> 00:19:52,909 Speaker 1: gap between siblings has widened and it's going to continue 415 00:19:52,949 --> 00:19:56,229 Speaker 1: to widen apparently that it's become quite a distinct trend. 416 00:19:56,589 --> 00:19:58,029 Speaker 1: Of course, I think that's got a lot to do 417 00:19:58,109 --> 00:20:01,469 Speaker 1: with contraception and having more life options for women. But 418 00:20:01,669 --> 00:20:05,629 Speaker 1: that bigger age gap, psychologists say, can actually soften the 419 00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:08,429 Speaker 1: blow for an older sibling when the new baby comes 420 00:20:08,469 --> 00:20:12,149 Speaker 1: along and diverts attention. So in that way, maybe the 421 00:20:12,189 --> 00:20:15,349 Speaker 1: birth order thing will become less pronounced as the age 422 00:20:15,389 --> 00:20:19,189 Speaker 1: gap becomes wider between kids. Every now and then a 423 00:20:19,229 --> 00:20:22,669 Speaker 1: topic comes along where I just simply have to talk 424 00:20:22,709 --> 00:20:25,549 Speaker 1: about it, and I think I scare people with my enthusiasm. 425 00:20:26,029 --> 00:20:28,469 Speaker 1: But the time has come for that topic, and this 426 00:20:28,589 --> 00:20:30,029 Speaker 1: week it is magic. 427 00:20:30,269 --> 00:20:33,549 Speaker 3: Magic is back, and we need to figure out why 428 00:20:34,309 --> 00:20:37,709 Speaker 3: party magician TikTok is a thing. It is full of 429 00:20:37,749 --> 00:20:40,829 Speaker 3: card tricks and vanishing doves and top hats. And it's 430 00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:43,669 Speaker 3: not just kids who are in love with magic these days. 431 00:20:43,749 --> 00:20:46,069 Speaker 3: There's a lot of twenty seven year old at birthday 432 00:20:46,069 --> 00:20:48,909 Speaker 3: parties doing a lot of dramatic shrieking and jumping to 433 00:20:48,949 --> 00:20:51,309 Speaker 3: the point where you know those tiktoks where the camera 434 00:20:51,469 --> 00:20:53,869 Speaker 3: like moves and shakes and you can't really see what's 435 00:20:53,869 --> 00:20:56,469 Speaker 3: happening because it looks like an earthquake. That's what happens 436 00:20:56,469 --> 00:20:58,309 Speaker 3: when a trick happens on party magicians. 437 00:20:58,349 --> 00:21:01,109 Speaker 1: I'm suddenly seeing fully grown adults like instead of having 438 00:21:01,229 --> 00:21:03,549 Speaker 1: any sort of entertainment, instead of going out to a club, 439 00:21:03,709 --> 00:21:05,629 Speaker 1: they are hiring magicians into their house. 440 00:21:05,709 --> 00:21:07,549 Speaker 5: This is right, is exactly okay. 441 00:21:08,109 --> 00:21:11,029 Speaker 1: It's almost like maybe people are drinking king less now, 442 00:21:11,349 --> 00:21:14,869 Speaker 1: so maybe they're wanting that alternative like entertainment and group 443 00:21:14,949 --> 00:21:17,549 Speaker 1: activity that they can do that doesn't involve that and 444 00:21:17,589 --> 00:21:20,949 Speaker 1: it kind of feels like what coloring was ten years ago. 445 00:21:21,229 --> 00:21:24,909 Speaker 1: Remember everyone suddenly got obsessed with coloring again, Like it's 446 00:21:24,989 --> 00:21:27,149 Speaker 1: just looking for a group hobby that we can do 447 00:21:27,189 --> 00:21:29,549 Speaker 1: that doesn't revolve around getting black out drunk. 448 00:21:29,789 --> 00:21:32,989 Speaker 3: Cosmopolitan has reported on this trend, and it says that 449 00:21:33,149 --> 00:21:36,109 Speaker 3: the reason why we're getting in on this pastime that 450 00:21:36,229 --> 00:21:39,749 Speaker 3: is very traditionally for kids is because young adults are 451 00:21:39,749 --> 00:21:43,029 Speaker 3: in and I love this phrase, a deep whimsy deficiency 452 00:21:43,069 --> 00:21:46,109 Speaker 3: we are. They say that after formative years spent in 453 00:21:46,189 --> 00:21:50,229 Speaker 3: quarantine and a shaky entry into adulthood, young people in 454 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:55,349 Speaker 3: particular are experiencing historic levels of unhappiness, which is exactly 455 00:21:55,429 --> 00:21:59,469 Speaker 3: why magic and the escapism of magic is primed for 456 00:21:59,509 --> 00:22:02,709 Speaker 3: a comeback. Mon's it feels like when we were growing 457 00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:07,029 Speaker 3: up as elder millennials, magic was everywhere. Remember David Copperfield 458 00:22:07,069 --> 00:22:10,549 Speaker 3: marrying Claudia Schiffer. I mean, magicians were marrying super models 459 00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:13,349 Speaker 3: back then. There was the Now You See Me film 460 00:22:13,389 --> 00:22:17,189 Speaker 3: series which was about illusionists during bag heightsts. So I 461 00:22:17,229 --> 00:22:19,989 Speaker 3: guess my real question for you it isn't why magic 462 00:22:20,069 --> 00:22:22,189 Speaker 3: is making a comeback, It is why did it ever 463 00:22:22,229 --> 00:22:22,749 Speaker 3: go away? 464 00:22:23,189 --> 00:22:26,669 Speaker 2: It's such a good question, I don't have the answer, because. 465 00:22:26,429 --> 00:22:28,989 Speaker 5: It did for like two decades there was no magic. 466 00:22:29,469 --> 00:22:33,549 Speaker 2: I guess things become unfashionable and then they become fashionable again, 467 00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:36,029 Speaker 2: and it's like a new generation is discovering this thing 468 00:22:36,069 --> 00:22:38,989 Speaker 2: that we got so much joy out of. I went 469 00:22:39,109 --> 00:22:41,669 Speaker 2: so deep on this, I confess I did roll my eyes, 470 00:22:41,749 --> 00:22:44,229 Speaker 2: and then I was like, no, no, I'll trust Amelia Lester. 471 00:22:44,709 --> 00:22:47,509 Speaker 2: So I went on to TikTok. This is so fun 472 00:22:47,549 --> 00:22:52,349 Speaker 2: to watch. It's the screaming, the gasping, the shrieking in wonder. 473 00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:55,429 Speaker 2: It's really fantastic to see. 474 00:22:55,949 --> 00:22:56,669 Speaker 1: And it says a. 475 00:22:56,589 --> 00:22:58,909 Speaker 2: Lot about our craving to be kids again. And I 476 00:22:58,949 --> 00:23:02,029 Speaker 2: think that this article is right. With all the pandemic, 477 00:23:02,069 --> 00:23:05,069 Speaker 2: the economic instability, all the bad news in the world, 478 00:23:05,549 --> 00:23:07,789 Speaker 2: we want to just forget it all and look at 479 00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:10,509 Speaker 2: a rabbit in a hat. I want to ask you, Stacy, 480 00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:13,709 Speaker 2: do you think that it says something deeper about how 481 00:23:13,829 --> 00:23:16,069 Speaker 2: adults are just now struggling with being adults. 482 00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:18,549 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And I think we're seeing this a lot 483 00:23:18,589 --> 00:23:20,829 Speaker 1: across the culture. Like I know on Mamma Mia, we've 484 00:23:20,869 --> 00:23:23,389 Speaker 1: definitely done a lot of articles around the trends of 485 00:23:23,749 --> 00:23:27,829 Speaker 1: adults now with collecting as well, Like they're collecting Sonny angels, 486 00:23:27,869 --> 00:23:31,869 Speaker 1: they're collecting squish mellows, they're collecting la boo boos, like 487 00:23:31,949 --> 00:23:34,389 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen them, the charm creatures that people 488 00:23:34,429 --> 00:23:37,509 Speaker 1: are attaching to their bags. And I think it's because 489 00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:41,709 Speaker 1: it's a return to surprise, Like we don't get surprised 490 00:23:41,749 --> 00:23:45,149 Speaker 1: and delight that much when we're adults, Like we kind 491 00:23:45,149 --> 00:23:47,029 Speaker 1: of know everything we can know. We can find out 492 00:23:47,069 --> 00:23:48,909 Speaker 1: the gender of our baby pretty early if we want, 493 00:23:48,949 --> 00:23:52,189 Speaker 1: Like nothing is a surprise to us now. And with labooboos, 494 00:23:52,469 --> 00:23:55,709 Speaker 1: they're in a magic rapper so that you can't see 495 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:59,389 Speaker 1: what they are, so we're giving ourselves that little ooh ah. 496 00:23:59,389 --> 00:24:01,389 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what magic does as well. 497 00:24:01,429 --> 00:24:03,109 Speaker 5: Right, It's almost like a jolt. 498 00:24:03,629 --> 00:24:07,069 Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be really sort of surprising, And I 499 00:24:07,189 --> 00:24:10,029 Speaker 3: started to understand the appeal of magic or unpack it. 500 00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:13,629 Speaker 3: I used to live in Washington, DC, and the most 501 00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:16,829 Speaker 3: popular children's entertainer in Washington, DC is a man called 502 00:24:16,829 --> 00:24:20,069 Speaker 3: the Great Zacchini. He's a magician. There have been like 503 00:24:20,349 --> 00:24:23,869 Speaker 3: very long Washington Post articles written about him and how 504 00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:27,269 Speaker 3: famous he is. One time I tried to employ him 505 00:24:27,309 --> 00:24:29,669 Speaker 3: for a child's birthday party, and it was honestly like 506 00:24:29,709 --> 00:24:31,949 Speaker 3: trying to contact a member of the mafia, Like you 507 00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:34,789 Speaker 3: have to call this number and leave a message for him, 508 00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:37,349 Speaker 3: and then in his voicemail he says, I could call 509 00:24:37,389 --> 00:24:39,829 Speaker 3: you back at any time, and if I can't reach you, 510 00:24:39,869 --> 00:24:42,309 Speaker 3: I'm not going to call you back again. So you 511 00:24:42,389 --> 00:24:44,749 Speaker 3: call him, you leave this message basically begging him to 512 00:24:44,829 --> 00:24:45,749 Speaker 3: come to your child. 513 00:24:45,869 --> 00:24:47,789 Speaker 2: What was your message? What did you say? Did you 514 00:24:47,869 --> 00:24:48,989 Speaker 2: rehearse it ahead of time? 515 00:24:49,229 --> 00:24:51,549 Speaker 3: Yes, And you have to express a willingness for him 516 00:24:51,589 --> 00:24:53,949 Speaker 3: to come whenever he is available. So the concept of 517 00:24:53,989 --> 00:24:57,669 Speaker 3: having him for your child's actual birthday, forget about it. 518 00:24:57,709 --> 00:24:59,269 Speaker 3: He's way too in demand for that. 519 00:24:59,429 --> 00:25:01,269 Speaker 1: So he could to show up to like Sunday dinner 520 00:25:01,309 --> 00:25:03,909 Speaker 1: and you have to bow down. And basically so you 521 00:25:03,989 --> 00:25:06,829 Speaker 1: have to be like high Great Zacchini. I've heard so 522 00:25:06,949 --> 00:25:09,229 Speaker 1: many wonderful things about you, and I have a very 523 00:25:09,309 --> 00:25:12,389 Speaker 1: respectful force a year old who would really appreciate you 524 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:16,069 Speaker 1: coming to celebrate her birthday. Not on her birthday obviously, 525 00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:18,589 Speaker 1: but at any time in the second half of this year. 526 00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:20,389 Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Thank you so much. 527 00:25:20,429 --> 00:25:20,949 Speaker 5: Call me back. 528 00:25:21,069 --> 00:25:23,029 Speaker 1: I did the Great Zacchini come. 529 00:25:23,109 --> 00:25:27,669 Speaker 3: Immediately and he goes, I can do fourteenth of October 530 00:25:27,949 --> 00:25:31,109 Speaker 3: at two thirty. This was not a convenient time for me, 531 00:25:31,429 --> 00:25:34,029 Speaker 3: nor was it my child's birthday. But I said great, 532 00:25:34,309 --> 00:25:37,309 Speaker 3: because you cannot turn down the Great Zacchini. And then 533 00:25:37,349 --> 00:25:39,829 Speaker 3: he explains to me that I need payment immediately, the 534 00:25:39,829 --> 00:25:42,389 Speaker 3: full payment, not just a deposit. It needs to be 535 00:25:42,429 --> 00:25:45,069 Speaker 3: sent to my bank account immediately to secure your spot. 536 00:25:45,309 --> 00:25:47,749 Speaker 3: If I do not receive your payment by midnight tonight, 537 00:25:47,869 --> 00:25:50,349 Speaker 3: you do not have the spot. So I say to 538 00:25:50,389 --> 00:25:52,789 Speaker 3: my partner, we need to send this large amount of 539 00:25:52,829 --> 00:25:56,189 Speaker 3: money to a bank account named the Great Zacchini immediately. 540 00:25:56,509 --> 00:25:58,589 Speaker 3: And so he rolled his eyes, but we did send 541 00:25:58,589 --> 00:26:00,869 Speaker 3: the money to the Great Zacchini. He did come to 542 00:26:00,909 --> 00:26:03,429 Speaker 3: the party. All of this is to say, here is 543 00:26:03,469 --> 00:26:06,589 Speaker 3: why magic is loved by everyone. It's not even about 544 00:26:06,629 --> 00:26:09,829 Speaker 3: the tricks themselves. The Great Zacchini's appeal is that he's 545 00:26:10,229 --> 00:26:14,149 Speaker 3: tremendously silly. He has the children like rolling around on 546 00:26:14,229 --> 00:26:17,429 Speaker 3: the floor laughing. The magic is actually not very impressive. 547 00:26:17,469 --> 00:26:19,269 Speaker 3: It's like a couple of slights of hand with like 548 00:26:19,309 --> 00:26:22,829 Speaker 3: a pack of cards. But really, why he's so famous 549 00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:26,029 Speaker 3: and why he's so compelling as an entertainer is because 550 00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:28,189 Speaker 3: he is bending the rules of what we are taught 551 00:26:28,349 --> 00:26:31,029 Speaker 3: is how you're meant to behave, and specifically how adults 552 00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:33,389 Speaker 3: are meant to behave. He is so silly, and the 553 00:26:33,429 --> 00:26:36,149 Speaker 3: children cannot believe that here is a growing up who 554 00:26:36,229 --> 00:26:38,549 Speaker 3: was behaving in all the ways that they are told 555 00:26:38,589 --> 00:26:41,269 Speaker 3: that grown ups should not behave. And that is I 556 00:26:41,309 --> 00:26:44,469 Speaker 3: think the core of why magic is appealing. It's because 557 00:26:44,469 --> 00:26:47,829 Speaker 3: it's bending rules. It's making us think that things that 558 00:26:47,869 --> 00:26:50,269 Speaker 3: we thought were the case are not the case. 559 00:26:50,509 --> 00:26:53,949 Speaker 2: In a world where information is just at our fingertips NonStop, 560 00:26:54,309 --> 00:26:57,229 Speaker 2: is magic the last place where everyone in the room 561 00:26:57,589 --> 00:27:00,149 Speaker 2: is completely clueless and there's just now. 562 00:27:01,069 --> 00:27:04,669 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, like I want to watch a magic show now. 563 00:27:04,829 --> 00:27:07,509 Speaker 3: Weirdly, I have another magic story which is going to, 564 00:27:07,589 --> 00:27:09,589 Speaker 3: I think prove my point, which is that kids don't 565 00:27:09,589 --> 00:27:11,229 Speaker 3: care about the magic itself. 566 00:27:11,309 --> 00:27:12,429 Speaker 5: Okay, So when I was a. 567 00:27:12,429 --> 00:27:15,109 Speaker 3: Child, I lived in India and one time I went 568 00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:17,429 Speaker 3: to a birthday party and a man came to the 569 00:27:17,429 --> 00:27:20,829 Speaker 3: birthday party who proceeded to lie on the floor, cover 570 00:27:20,949 --> 00:27:25,509 Speaker 3: himself with a blanket and levitate. He levitated off the floor. 571 00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:29,229 Speaker 3: Do not ask me how this literally happened. There were 572 00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:32,029 Speaker 3: adults in the room. He was floating off the floor 573 00:27:32,189 --> 00:27:34,349 Speaker 3: like that. Clearly the blanket had something to do with it, 574 00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:36,749 Speaker 3: but he was nonetheless off the floor. 575 00:27:37,349 --> 00:27:39,349 Speaker 1: Do you think any of the kids in the room cared. 576 00:27:39,589 --> 00:27:42,549 Speaker 5: They don't actually care about the tricks. They just want 577 00:27:42,629 --> 00:27:44,949 Speaker 5: the surprise, the delight. 578 00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:47,709 Speaker 3: And the sheer unexpected nature of it. 579 00:27:47,949 --> 00:27:49,869 Speaker 1: And I think that's the thing though, if adults are 580 00:27:49,869 --> 00:27:51,989 Speaker 1: going to get back into magic now, is that we 581 00:27:52,109 --> 00:27:53,949 Speaker 1: do just have to sit back and not try and 582 00:27:53,989 --> 00:27:56,469 Speaker 1: figure it out. Because I feel like adults have a 583 00:27:56,509 --> 00:27:59,549 Speaker 1: really bad tendency to need to know the answers and 584 00:27:59,589 --> 00:28:01,189 Speaker 1: to be like, oh well, it must be you know, 585 00:28:01,429 --> 00:28:03,109 Speaker 1: a trick door or at the back, or it must 586 00:28:03,149 --> 00:28:05,749 Speaker 1: be some sort of mechanism. Like part of the beauty 587 00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:08,669 Speaker 1: of magic is not knowing the answers. And I think 588 00:28:08,709 --> 00:28:10,909 Speaker 1: it's okay if we don't know the answer sometimes. 589 00:28:11,069 --> 00:28:13,629 Speaker 2: Yes, I think magic could be the perfect art form 590 00:28:13,709 --> 00:28:17,669 Speaker 2: for this generation. Magic is quick and wondrous, and it 591 00:28:17,709 --> 00:28:20,429 Speaker 2: requires attention and you have to be paying attention, and 592 00:28:20,469 --> 00:28:23,629 Speaker 2: it moves fast, much like the algorithm. So maybe magic 593 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:25,949 Speaker 2: will be the art form that sustains in this time 594 00:28:25,949 --> 00:28:27,549 Speaker 2: of just dwindling attention spans. 595 00:28:27,709 --> 00:28:30,549 Speaker 3: You just said the word that I think is key attention. 596 00:28:31,389 --> 00:28:34,309 Speaker 3: It captures our attention in a way that we're trying 597 00:28:34,349 --> 00:28:37,069 Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on. And you're so right 598 00:28:37,189 --> 00:28:40,829 Speaker 3: that that ability to get people's attention fully for a 599 00:28:40,909 --> 00:28:43,949 Speaker 3: short period of time, that is what makes it perfect. 600 00:28:44,589 --> 00:28:47,549 Speaker 2: Okay, before we wrap today's show, we like to bring 601 00:28:47,589 --> 00:28:50,909 Speaker 2: you things that we're recommending. It's kind of the greatest 602 00:28:50,989 --> 00:28:53,989 Speaker 2: hits of our lives since we've discovered things, we've watched, 603 00:28:54,069 --> 00:28:57,989 Speaker 2: scene bought, the stuff that's worth spending your time and 604 00:28:58,029 --> 00:29:00,789 Speaker 2: attention on. Stacy, what have you got this week? 605 00:29:00,869 --> 00:29:03,389 Speaker 1: Okay, So everyone this week's obviously been talking about Nicole 606 00:29:03,469 --> 00:29:06,789 Speaker 1: Kidman and Keith Urbans divorce. There is so much out 607 00:29:06,829 --> 00:29:09,869 Speaker 1: the hair about their separation announcement, but there's a piece 608 00:29:09,869 --> 00:29:11,789 Speaker 1: that's actually worth your time on Mum and mea this 609 00:29:11,829 --> 00:29:15,149 Speaker 1: week called Everyone's saying the same thing about Nicole and 610 00:29:15,229 --> 00:29:19,269 Speaker 1: Keith's divorce, They're wrong by Jessica Clark. She's done such 611 00:29:19,309 --> 00:29:22,669 Speaker 1: a beautiful opinion piece about the fact that the general 612 00:29:22,709 --> 00:29:25,589 Speaker 1: sentiment seems to be love is dead and what a 613 00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:29,829 Speaker 1: tragedy that that relationship ended, and her opinion, which she's 614 00:29:29,829 --> 00:29:31,909 Speaker 1: so beautifully written about, will put the link in the 615 00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:34,909 Speaker 1: show notes is that nineteen years in any type of 616 00:29:34,949 --> 00:29:38,149 Speaker 1: relationship should not be considered a failure. She speaks from 617 00:29:38,189 --> 00:29:41,589 Speaker 1: a place of being divorced herself and talking about how 618 00:29:41,789 --> 00:29:45,309 Speaker 1: important that relationship was in her life and how we 619 00:29:45,349 --> 00:29:48,349 Speaker 1: should reframe that. And we had such beautiful responses from 620 00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:50,549 Speaker 1: the audience, so I'd love everyone to read it. What's 621 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:51,429 Speaker 1: your recomon's? 622 00:29:52,309 --> 00:29:56,229 Speaker 2: I know it's October, but I want to talk about Christmas. 623 00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:57,389 Speaker 2: Don't come at. 624 00:29:57,229 --> 00:29:59,389 Speaker 1: Me, oh God, already? 625 00:29:59,709 --> 00:30:02,069 Speaker 2: No, no, no, do not roll your eyes. If Christmas 626 00:30:02,069 --> 00:30:03,589 Speaker 2: is your Roman Empire and there are a lot of 627 00:30:03,589 --> 00:30:05,709 Speaker 2: people out there for whom it is who spend their 628 00:30:05,789 --> 00:30:08,029 Speaker 2: whole year looking forward to it, I have a Facebook 629 00:30:08,109 --> 00:30:12,749 Speaker 2: group for you to indulge yourself called Christmas Mums Australia. 630 00:30:12,869 --> 00:30:17,429 Speaker 2: This is literally a Facebook group of mums for whom 631 00:30:17,509 --> 00:30:22,229 Speaker 2: Christmas is their personality. It's me, guys, It's me. This 632 00:30:22,349 --> 00:30:26,629 Speaker 2: Facebook group is my secret delight. They are sluper what's 633 00:30:26,629 --> 00:30:29,429 Speaker 2: coming out in Kmart and Target. They are in the stores, 634 00:30:29,469 --> 00:30:32,869 Speaker 2: they are taking photos. They are debating the best Advent calendars. 635 00:30:32,989 --> 00:30:34,029 Speaker 2: They are tagged. 636 00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:36,949 Speaker 1: Event calendar to buy? Are their Advent calendars already? 637 00:30:37,189 --> 00:30:39,589 Speaker 2: If you haven't got one already, Get onto the Christmas Mums? 638 00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:41,309 Speaker 5: Where is the best advent calendar? 639 00:30:41,349 --> 00:30:43,549 Speaker 2: Tell me it depends what esthetic you're going for. This 640 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:46,389 Speaker 2: is what the group's about. They will tell you exactly 641 00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:48,549 Speaker 2: what to buy an eight year old girl, a fourteen 642 00:30:48,589 --> 00:30:51,469 Speaker 2: year old boy. Basically they do all the heavy lifting 643 00:30:51,549 --> 00:30:55,709 Speaker 2: around Christmas while I sit back and just read it 644 00:30:55,949 --> 00:30:58,829 Speaker 2: and just get so immersed in how nuts it all is. 645 00:30:59,069 --> 00:31:02,589 Speaker 2: I love it. It's dopamine without spending any money. Now listen, 646 00:31:02,709 --> 00:31:05,869 Speaker 2: the cavet is this. Sometimes it can become overwhelming. So 647 00:31:06,269 --> 00:31:09,229 Speaker 2: small doses of Christmas Mums Australia, because you'll start to 648 00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:11,469 Speaker 2: get you such a roll. You'll start, your heart will 649 00:31:11,549 --> 00:31:13,789 Speaker 2: rate will start to increase. You'll think, shit, I haven't 650 00:31:13,869 --> 00:31:17,789 Speaker 2: organized myself yet. It's still October. You're okay, okay, So 651 00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:21,389 Speaker 2: small doses of this group for anyone that just loves 652 00:31:21,429 --> 00:31:25,029 Speaker 2: to lurk in other people's homes, other people's brains, and 653 00:31:25,189 --> 00:31:27,709 Speaker 2: just people who are mad about Christmas. 654 00:31:27,989 --> 00:31:29,269 Speaker 1: I don't think I can go in there. 655 00:31:29,309 --> 00:31:31,629 Speaker 2: This is what rolling your eyes at me? 656 00:31:31,949 --> 00:31:32,509 Speaker 5: What is this? 657 00:31:32,669 --> 00:31:35,829 Speaker 3: Because it's making me anxious? Frankly, because you're making me 658 00:31:35,869 --> 00:31:37,869 Speaker 3: think that I have to think about Christmas when I've 659 00:31:37,869 --> 00:31:39,549 Speaker 3: got Halloween to prepare for. 660 00:31:39,789 --> 00:31:43,669 Speaker 2: Exactly Amelia, your type B. Okay, maybe this isn't the 661 00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:45,709 Speaker 2: group for this type is. 662 00:31:45,709 --> 00:31:47,189 Speaker 5: A group full of eldest daughters. 663 00:31:47,229 --> 00:31:49,989 Speaker 3: I can tell you that mine is a TV show 664 00:31:49,989 --> 00:31:52,389 Speaker 3: because I'm type B. I have a TV show to 665 00:31:52,429 --> 00:31:55,749 Speaker 3: recommend love. It's called The Assembly, a show on ABC 666 00:31:55,949 --> 00:31:58,229 Speaker 3: that's just come back for its second season. It's not 667 00:31:58,309 --> 00:32:01,149 Speaker 3: a show about parenting. The premise is that Lee Sales 668 00:32:01,229 --> 00:32:06,109 Speaker 3: mentors a group of aspiring journalism students with autism and 669 00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:11,389 Speaker 3: they ask no holds barred questions of Australian public figures basically, 670 00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:16,389 Speaker 3: and you get some really surprising and beautiful moments and interactions. 671 00:32:16,589 --> 00:32:19,629 Speaker 3: I'd recommend starting with season one. The first episode is 672 00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:23,589 Speaker 3: with Sam Neil, and the students make him blush. They 673 00:32:23,789 --> 00:32:26,509 Speaker 3: ask him questions that make him incredibly uncomfortable. And also 674 00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:28,629 Speaker 3: he's just so handsome, is Sam Neil. 675 00:32:28,829 --> 00:32:31,069 Speaker 1: He's just such a lovely. 676 00:32:30,829 --> 00:32:34,189 Speaker 3: Charming, handsome person to spend some time with. But the 677 00:32:34,269 --> 00:32:36,629 Speaker 3: moment I wanted to bring to you both is from 678 00:32:36,749 --> 00:32:39,949 Speaker 3: the season two premiere. It's with the actor Richard Roxborough, 679 00:32:40,109 --> 00:32:43,429 Speaker 3: and this moment will stop you in your tracks, grab 680 00:32:43,469 --> 00:32:45,229 Speaker 3: some tissues and listen. 681 00:32:45,549 --> 00:32:49,069 Speaker 4: You have three children. Babies don't stay baby's forever. They 682 00:32:49,149 --> 00:32:52,949 Speaker 4: grow taller and grow into themselves and develop a beautiful brain. 683 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:56,109 Speaker 4: Have they made you aware of time and that you 684 00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:57,309 Speaker 4: does not last forever? 685 00:32:57,869 --> 00:32:58,109 Speaker 1: Oh? 686 00:32:58,189 --> 00:33:06,589 Speaker 6: My god, yes they have, they have. I think you know. 687 00:33:06,629 --> 00:33:10,189 Speaker 9: It's it's a really interesting thing becoming apparent because you 688 00:33:10,189 --> 00:33:15,509 Speaker 9: you because it brings as much fear with it as 689 00:33:15,549 --> 00:33:18,709 Speaker 9: it does love, and you spend your life trying to 690 00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:24,229 Speaker 9: combat the fear to the kind of exactly the same 691 00:33:24,349 --> 00:33:28,669 Speaker 9: shape as love. It's like love's shadow. 692 00:33:29,229 --> 00:33:33,549 Speaker 6: And that's fear that you have that anything bad would 693 00:33:33,629 --> 00:33:37,829 Speaker 6: happen to them. So yeah, they do make you really 694 00:33:37,869 --> 00:33:41,229 Speaker 6: aware of mortality and all the other things that go 695 00:33:41,349 --> 00:33:41,629 Speaker 6: with that. 696 00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:43,589 Speaker 1: Oh love Shadow. 697 00:33:44,669 --> 00:33:48,949 Speaker 3: That show, I'll tell you the question is so beautiful. 698 00:33:49,229 --> 00:33:51,989 Speaker 3: That show will just fill you up. And I just 699 00:33:52,229 --> 00:33:55,229 Speaker 3: can't recommend it them. But Christmas mom sounds great, two 700 00:33:55,309 --> 00:33:56,989 Speaker 3: months mom sounds great. 701 00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:58,989 Speaker 1: I won't be going in there and keep me out. 702 00:33:59,109 --> 00:34:01,389 Speaker 1: That's how we're different. As eldest daughter's monds. I'm not 703 00:34:01,589 --> 00:34:02,749 Speaker 1: going in there now. 704 00:34:02,749 --> 00:34:05,909 Speaker 2: I feel like a jerk. When you're bringing the feels 705 00:34:06,029 --> 00:34:09,469 Speaker 2: and loves shadow look that's what you love about this show. 706 00:34:09,549 --> 00:34:11,909 Speaker 2: It swings and roundabouts. It's light and shade, and that 707 00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:14,469 Speaker 2: is us done for the day. Thank you to the 708 00:34:14,509 --> 00:34:17,509 Speaker 2: parenting out louders that are hyping us up with reviews. 709 00:34:17,509 --> 00:34:20,789 Speaker 2: In Apple podcasts, the challenge is to write a review 710 00:34:20,829 --> 00:34:24,349 Speaker 2: in gentle parenting speak. And I was laughing out loud 711 00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:26,629 Speaker 2: this week or what came through. I have to say 712 00:34:26,829 --> 00:34:29,989 Speaker 2: you all understood the brief. Here's a couple of my favorites. 713 00:34:30,029 --> 00:34:31,949 Speaker 2: So this one was left by someone called love the 714 00:34:31,949 --> 00:34:36,709 Speaker 2: pod Girls. The headline is space for Big Feelings. I 715 00:34:36,789 --> 00:34:39,949 Speaker 2: love the way you all held space for each other's 716 00:34:39,989 --> 00:34:44,829 Speaker 2: thoughts and emotions in the last episode. Navigating big feelings 717 00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:48,229 Speaker 2: can be really tricky. Sometimes I'm proud of you for 718 00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:52,629 Speaker 2: trying your best. And then this one was my favorite 719 00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:57,109 Speaker 2: of the week from Amy Lee Lauren. She says, Wow, Amelia, 720 00:34:57,309 --> 00:35:01,229 Speaker 2: mon and Stacy, you have been so creative. I can 721 00:35:01,389 --> 00:35:03,989 Speaker 2: see how much time and love you have put into 722 00:35:03,989 --> 00:35:07,269 Speaker 2: your colorful purple and yellow branding. And the content for 723 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:11,389 Speaker 2: each episode is being a podcaster making your heart happy. 724 00:35:11,869 --> 00:35:14,669 Speaker 2: My heart is so happy seeing how happy you are. 725 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:17,309 Speaker 2: Amy Lee, you win like. 726 00:35:17,309 --> 00:35:20,109 Speaker 1: You nailed that by so good so good. 727 00:35:21,149 --> 00:35:24,109 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us this week, and look at you. 728 00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:27,309 Speaker 2: You did the whole episode start to finish and that 729 00:35:27,469 --> 00:35:30,869 Speaker 2: shows such focus. Does listening to us make your brain 730 00:35:30,909 --> 00:35:34,309 Speaker 2: feel sparkly, because ours does too, So if your heart 731 00:35:34,309 --> 00:35:37,709 Speaker 2: feels ready, leave us a review and please tap follow, 732 00:35:37,989 --> 00:35:41,149 Speaker 2: but only if it feels good in your body. You 733 00:35:41,309 --> 00:35:45,509 Speaker 2: are doing such important listening work. Hey, and a big 734 00:35:45,509 --> 00:35:49,269 Speaker 2: thanks to the team this week, Tessakovic, Sashatanic, Leoporges and 735 00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:51,829 Speaker 2: the group ep Is Ruth Divine. See you next week. 736 00:35:51,989 --> 00:35:56,749 Speaker 1: Bye you, bye,