WEBVTT - The One Number That Says Absolutely Everything About You 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.240 Hello, and welcome to Momma Mia out loud. It's what 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.960 women are actually talking about on Friday, the stead of April. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.600 It's Good Friday. And if you're surprised that we are 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.160 bringing you a full show on Good. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.000 Friday, because hustlers never quit. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:16.960 I was going to say, if you're if you are 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.080 feeling that this is a holy day, just address your 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.759 concerns to capitalism. Send your emails of complaint to capitalism. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.000 That's what I would like to say. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:29.440 I think my nanois you say Good Friday is more important. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.720 Than Easter Sunday. Yep, it is for some people religiously. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.800 The thing I know most about Good Friday from my 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:39.040 years of camping and things at Easter, the bottle shops 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.960 are shut. It's the only day of the year because 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.040 we're morning Jesus. Is that? 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:43.440 Howe? 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.600 I know? So happy? Oh no, I was going to 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:46.440 say happy Good Friday. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.360 That's not the correct. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.920 Happy Easter long weekend if you are having one. Here 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.040 is what Oh sorry, I'm Hollywayen right. Hello, I'm Claire 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.960 Stephen and I'm Vernon. We are in public holiday mode, obviously. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.200 Here is what made our agenda for today. I'm a nine. Gwin, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.680 it's the one. No, you're a ten out of ten. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:12.280 Sweet Claire's a four, Margat Robbie's a seven and a three. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.640 Is that correct? It is correct. We're talking about niagrams, 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.520 why they're so hot right now and whether they're just 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.640 star signs for the self optimization group. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.800 Plus everything you shouldn't do an hour before a date. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.880 I have some very very strong. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.520 Opinions and our recommendations for your Easter long weekend, what 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.839 to watch and read. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.840 But first we need to talk about Easter. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:41.800 Treats, because every time I go to the supermarket, I'm aware. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.200 I'm like, it's so sad that some people don't know 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.400 the ranking, Like what's elite and what's not a laite? 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.440 You mean an Easter eggs? Yes, obviously chocolate. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.920 So I may be thirty five years old, but I 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.080 better be receiving eggs on some day. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.640 Who's going to get them for you? Who gets you eggs? 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.000 We are going to mum's house? 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.800 Oh my god, does your mom still buy Easter eggs 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.280 for you as she should she buys them for children? 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.720 Yes, and I will eat my child exactly exactly, and 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.800 I reckon she'll do an Easter egg hunt. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.839 Yes, I will participate and you will win. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.160 Yeah, I will win. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.040 Do people buy you? 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.840 This is quite traumatic to bring up, but I haven't 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.440 had an I haven't received an Easter egg in the 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.679 past three years. The year before that, I went over 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.480 for lunch to mom and dad and I was like, so, 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.720 where's there is? Do I get an Easter bunny and 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.120 Easter Egg? And I just saw like the blood terrain 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.240 from their face and going, oh, we didn't know we 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.400 were still doing that. And I've been upset ever since. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.480 Hasn't been amended thought one. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:46.239 Absolutely. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.120 When I was a kid, there were some kids at 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:53.400 school who got presents at Easter present gifts as if 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:57.079 it was Christmas, and I so I was like, that 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.200 is wild people do that. 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.679 I remember that in primary school, and I remember my 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:06.600 mum being horrified by consumerism. But I did think i'd share, 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.000 you know, just share my knowledge about what the most 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.240 elite eggs are. I guess you guys can weigh in. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.200 You'll be wrong, but the most elite egg for gifting 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.239 purposes is the big Cadbury crunchy one. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.960 Dude, it looks like a turd. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.840 Like looks can me to see it? 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.800 It's thin milk chocolate, and then it's got little bits crunchy, 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.480 and then it has like mini crunchy eggs inside. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.280 There are eight. That's a good number to. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.040 Get eight pieces of disappintment. It's not enough in my 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.920 opinion at the point. If you're gonna have a big egg, 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.800 it needs to be full of stuff. You know, Sometimes 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.560 you buy a big egg and the xmasha and there's 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:49.360 nothing inside. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.960 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I was gonna 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.720 say that. Sometimes I do the eight mini eggs and 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.440 then I do put the big hollow egg in the 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:04.800 freezer for and that's a lovely experience. Along with the 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.320 plain Cadbury Dairy milk. Mini eggs I agree are the 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.240 elite and the mini egg The one where the. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.200 Blue turns into a purple is the best tasting one. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:15.880 It's all about the. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.360 Foil, about the foil. That's exactly what I was. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.279 I don't want to yellow, No, I don't want a 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.400 lime green, orange, red. No. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.080 The best eggs are the lint mini eggs, the dark ones, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.200 the blue. I'll just take out a home, take it 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.000 a loan for this. I know. It's cost of living, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.000 pressures and everything. Fewer eggs, better quality. I'm going to 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:35.640 lint all the way. 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.200 See I have feedback for lint, I do. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.120 There is no feedback lip. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.400 The lint Easter Bunny. Yeah, okay, very classic in the 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:48.400 gold wrapping with the little red ribbon. It's thick in 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.440 places you don't expect it to be thick, such as. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:51.680 The ears, and. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:54.440 It makes me thirsty. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.600 It makes me thirsty. Chop the milk milk, it. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.080 Down, silk milk. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:07.600 Next here the KitKat chunky egg, the Smarties. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.320 I don't know what that is. I know about the 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.960 kid cat little bunny rabbit, but I don't know. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:19.160 What they're Sorry, it's KitKat chunky and the smartiest one. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:24.400 But then Nestle and notably, that's not Cadbury Golden Gaytime egg. No, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.720 don't be too tricky. You can't be taking those kind 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:31.360 of risks. Not a fan of carra milk, Cadbury cream 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.040 eggs or the ones with caramel inside, although. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.039 I do I love the Cadbury's cream egg. When I 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.880 was a child, sometimes my mum, who is busy working 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.200 mother hashtag, would bring one back from the supermarket for 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.919 me and my brother, just just a treat, and it 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.680 would be the most amazing thing ever, she'd like pull 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.520 it out of her sleeve as if it was. And 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.200 they are the bomb. I haven't eaten one as an adult, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:54.800 though I have to say they seem a lot. I 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.120 don't like being surprised by content in my egg. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:58.520 Agree. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:01.520 I don't like being surprised by the color. That can 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:02.360 be quite distressing. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.040 It's fondant. Yeah, yes, I think I think that's what's inside. 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:11.320 Exactly, Red Huel of Easter Bunnies. No, no, absolutely ill, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.440 But I'm not going to enjoy it. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.520 See the way it goes in my world. Regular outlouders 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.039 will know this. I wrote a freaking book about it. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.080 But I'm always camping at Easter. I've had I'm camping 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.480 right now while you're listening to this. I am camping 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.760 the problems that you have. And all Easter campers know 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.920 this is we've got we can with a load of kids. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.839 You've all got to take your eggs for the Easter hunt. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.840 They will melt because it is invariably hot. So you've 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.279 always got to have an eski that's got ice in 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.679 it where the eggs will go. But then the water 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.520 gets in the card board around their eggs breaks down 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.320 like it's very high maintenance. But I've always believed in 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.240 quality for me. So little cute lint ones and cheap 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.440 rubbish at scale for the children. So because the kids 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.880 only care about how big their egg is, they don't 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:02.320 really care about the taste. You just go hardcore cheap 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.040 chocolate for the children and you keep back the lind 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.520 Minis for yourself. That's the only way to do it. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.680 One year I got Brent to buy the Easter eggs. 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:13.000 You won't be surprised to know that he went full 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.320 cheap chocolate. And I think it was the year that 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.920 I'd just written some story about some NRL player that 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.200 was being bad or something, and he got me a 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:26.120 big NRL for Easter and all my friends laughed at me. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.840 And it tasted awful. It tasted like shame and discippline 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:38.840 and wax. Okay. Amy Pohler started this for me, right. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.360 I listened to her podcast Good Hang. We've talked about 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:46.120 it before, and in almost every single episode she brings 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.160 up enneagrams. Right does she get the guest to do 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.640 them before? Well, she always asks them what they are, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.360 so she's like, I think they It only works with 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.360 other people who are into it, which is what leads 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.600 me to believe that all of Hollywood is into it 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.960 because they all know because Amy is an eight and 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.360 which ones that is a challenger, and that is She's 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.360 made it pretty much her whole personality. And that's because 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.440 it is her personality, right, it's her any a gram number. 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:14.080 And if you don't know what we're talking about, I'm 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.040 going to give you a quick breakdown. In Hollywood right now, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.000 it's very hot. It's on all the self optimization podcasts, 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.440 but management trainers, leadership coaches, you know those team building 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.200 exercises you're often asked to do a work. They've been 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.800 loving the niagram for a long time. If you need 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.880 any further proof of how hot it is. The other week, 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.680 in fact, just the other day, I was listening to 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.880 my friend Gwyneth, who's one just so that you know, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:45.960 and one is for She was interviewing Andrew Huberman, who 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:50.440 is like self. You can imagine the excellent bullshit that 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.760 was on that podcast. It was fabulous, and they were 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.080 talking about anyagrams and gwyn It says to him do 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.240 you use them in hiring? And I was like, oh 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.000 my god. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:59.959 Don't say that out loud, babe. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.640 So there are going to be a few experts who 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.280 are listening to this show and they're going to hear 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.240 the way that I describe aneagrams now and they're going 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.760 to go, Holly, you're wrong. I know there are people 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.480 who spent their life studying this stuff, but I'm just 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.200 talking to those amongst us who will either have to 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.640 do it because we're part of like a team building 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.480 thing at work and they're making us do it, or 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.600 we're like feeling bossy and we want to know. Maybe 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.160 we're eights that's why we're feeling bossy, or we're really curious, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.480 maybe we're forced, I don't know whatever. I think that 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.480 there are reasons why. So we do it in this 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.280 very basic way, which is you do a quick test 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.959 on the internet. You are given a whole lot of 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.600 questions and you have to rank the accuracy of this 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.400 question about your personality. The kind of questions will be 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.480 things like, is it important that other people like you? 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.839 Do you tend to blend your personality based on the 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.320 people you're with? Do you find it hard to say no? 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.480 Those kind of things right, And after you've answered those 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.880 for about fifteen minutes, it spits you out a list 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.320 of numbers and one of them will be at the 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.840 top and that is your number, and you are stuck 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:07.080 with it. Right, So you two, did you do the test? 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.439 M did you do the test? What did you find? 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:11.440 I did do the test because you told me I 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.280 had to do it, so I did have to do 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:14.320 it for work purpose. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.160 Do you like these kind of things or not? Personality quizzies, Like, 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.120 it'sn't really that different from those ones I used to 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.599 do in magazines when you were a kid, and it 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.800 would be like mostly a's you're excellent, mostly c's you're 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:25.360 a punished. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.800 I was really into it when I was younger because 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.160 I think that the answer to these personality tests would 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.000 be like what I would be like when I grew up. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:35.280 And we did like the Mayas Briggs and stuff when 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.840 I was younger. Now I just feel like there's so many. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.120 So the only reason I'm interested in this one is 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:42.880 because I feel like it's the big one right now. 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.840 It is there's so many, Like we did love languages, 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.160 we do it all, and I feel like they're all 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.520 different types of personality. And to be clear, the reason 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:51.600 that managers love to do this and it's one. I 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.000 went on my first management course like nearly twenty years 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.440 ago probably, and they made us. The first thing they 0:10:57.480 --> 0:10:59.080 made us all do is a personality test. I think 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.440 it was Mayas Briggs, And the reason they like to 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:03.960 do it is because it's supposed to teach you about 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.000 how to get the best out of your people. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.200 I also think like yes, but I also think with 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.360 because that's sort of being replaced a bit by the enniogram. 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:13.640 Now. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.960 I did a leadership thing maybe five years ago, and 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.520 we did the enneagram. I also think it's a bit 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.880 of an easy trick to make you feel seen. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.120 Yeah, because everybody likes to talk about themselves, right, Yeah, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.880 anyway back to you, when you get my answers, what 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.000 did you get? I got a three, which is the achiever, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.480 and I'm about to read out the traits of myself, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.400 which will I'm sure make everybody not want to do 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:47.520 this test. So threes are self assured, attractive. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:52.920 And charming, ambitious and energetic, and they can be status 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.000 conscious and highly driven for advancement. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:56.760 That's all true. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.080 Wait, we are diplomatic and poison but can also be 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.360 overly concerned with their image and what others think. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.720 Of them. Now I need to read out the negatives. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.400 Like knowing you as I do, as I have in 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.600 a professional capacity, I for he is, I would say 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:13.840 tick tick tick on all those things, thank you so much. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:15.040 Just wait, okay. 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.640 Negatives Fearing failure and humiliation. They can be exploitative and 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.120 opportunistic and willing to do whatever it takes to preserve 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:24.240 the illusion. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.920 Of their superiority. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.880 Devious and deceptives so that their mistakes and wrongdoings will 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:33.880 not be exposed. Untrustworthy, maliciously betraying or sabotaging people to 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:38.680 triumph over them, delusionally jealous of others, become vindictive, attempting 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:43.760 to ruin others' happiness, relentless, obsessive about destroying whatever reminds 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.360 him of their own shortcomings and failures, and it just 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.800 ends on psychopathic and murder. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.440 So am, if you are being really honest with yourself, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.080 is any of that true? Come on, now, are you 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.760 a jealous person? Are you a jealous person? Do you 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.640 sometimes sneakily find a way to make yourself seem more 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.800 important than you are? Like, come on, I think that 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.480 can be a bit jealous, But to destroy other people's 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.440 happiness and then to make it worse, I looked up 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:15.640 other celebrities who are also threes, Bill Clinton, Prince William, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:20.280 Arnold Schwarzenegger, O J. Simpson, Oh J. Simpson, Kevin Spacey, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.080 dear Rachel Berry from Glee, as as far as I 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.040 know any Don Draper from mad Men and Lady Gaga. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.800 I love this celebrity angle because as if anybody really 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.960 like Don Draper hot tep not a real person. Yeah, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.120 I did one and it was like, Jane Austen is 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:41.000 this oh laugh from Frozen? Is that? I'm like, you know, Claire. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.439 I would just like to point out em that as 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.440 somebody who has done an enneagram. Of course I did 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.240 a proper enneagram course of like maybe ten years ago. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.520 But I will say what you've just read out. The 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.280 idea is there's a healthy version of you and an 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:56.319 unhealthy version of you. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.319 So I just want you to know that murder would be. 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:04.400 That ually oh J. Simpson, though he does bear that out. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.920 Okay, true, So just make sure things don't go down 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.360 the toilet for you. 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.439 You might start to murder. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.000 But again, I'm also attractive and charming. Well those things 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.040 are true about you. Class Stevens. How did you go. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:23.000 So I was a five when I did it professionally 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:24.240 a few years ago. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.560 Because Holly is gonna mock me. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.400 I am going to mock her. She did the three 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.560 times to get the numbers she wanted, which I think 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.080 a lot of people do that. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:33.640 So it was a five. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.520 That's so five of you, five of her. That's exactly it. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.720 Then I did it again for work like five years ago, 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:43.600 and I was still a five. But then when I 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.840 did it at the crack of dawn this morning as 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.320 I was half asleep, I was a four and. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:50.480 That made me feel weird. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.000 So what's a five? 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:58.440 So well, a five is the investigator. No thing wise, 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.720 So fives are alert, insightful, and curious. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:04.880 They are able. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.200 To thank you so much. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.480 They are able to concentrate and focus on developing. I 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.800 mean concentrate and focus is a bit of an issue 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.160 that I can't do either of those things. But if 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.880 they were to focus, they would be able to focus 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:23.200 on developing complex ideas and skills, the independent, innovative. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:24.120 And inventive. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:25.120 That's true. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.960 They can become preoccupied with their thoughts, and. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.640 That's definitely true. It's such a sagittarius. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.480 This is where mine goes into M's territory, they become detached, 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:43.600 yet high strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.040 and isolation. Nihilism. Yes, yes, eccentricity. I don't think I'm 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:48.720 that eccentric. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.600 Remember when you remember when you wouldn't wear shoes in 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.480 the office? Centric, Yeah, that's eccentric. People who want to 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.320 fit in wear shoes in the office. People who are 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.760 comfortable a little bit weird, And I don't bring any 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.000 judgment to that because they're my favorite kind of people 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.840 are like, who cares if their boss is wearing shoes? 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:07.120 That's you. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.680 Yeah, yeah, I think eccentric people don't know they're eccentric. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:10.680 That's good to know. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.440 So at their best, visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.840 they will see the world in an entirely new way. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.400 Nice. No, she hasn't got to the bad bits yet. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.520 The bad bits, so okay. The thing I do relate 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:27.760 to about. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:33.560 It is like information being the primary currency of safety, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.760 so you believe that if you just understand how everything works, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.480 you will be prepared to handle life. But this is 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.200 the other bit I do think is very me the 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:48.080 relentless pursuit of knowledge is actually about deep insecurities about 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.520 your ability to function in the world. So fives feel 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.120 they do not have an ability to do things as 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.920 well as others, so their identity is built around having 0:16:58.960 --> 0:16:59.760 ideas as like. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.160 A fence mechanism. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.240 So basically, my if mine was going down the murder route, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.760 I'd be like a hermit. I'm quite I'd be like 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.480 really eccentric hermit, like crazy hair like that kind of thing. 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.120 So far, Oh, my friends, this aneogram shit is real. 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.240 Amy Pohlar is right and Gwyneth is right. These are 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:25.359 You're describing yourselves pretty perfectly to me, but really rude. 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.679 I do think it changes over time because both the 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:33.560 achiever and the individualists have better social skills than a five. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.879 And I think maybe as I've gotten because it's like 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:41.280 do you There was something about like do you build 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:46.240 relationships with people? Like basically can you network? And my 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.760 answer five ten years ago would have been no, But 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.600 my answer now is like, yeah, you're really good at it, 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.480 but like not in as, but you just do because 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.600 you've been You're more comfortable because you've been in an 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.280 industry for longer. So and with yours, I'm a bit 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.520 like you are that at this point in your life. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:10.800 But maybe later I won't murder somewhere exactly. It's interesting, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.840 right because I have done this test a few times 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.399 because I did like my number, like lad And the 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.600 thing is is, every time I've done it, it tells 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.159 me I'm the same thing. So I just have to 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.240 accept by fate, I am a nine. I am a 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.879 solid nine. I am a high nine, and nine is 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:32.240 a peacemaker, which is high. So many peacemakers fucking boring 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.600 read it out because it's so you so my my 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.840 superpowers are the good thing, because all of these have 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.160 good and bad. I have an incredible ability head. Look 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.840 as long as it says incredible ability, I'm in. Oh, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:48.240 we all like, yes, I'm so nigh to see all 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.320 sides of an argument. You're non judgmental, easy going and steady. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:55.560 It's that's so yummy. That is true, unfortunately, but it's 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.880 very boring. You might find it hard to say no. Look, 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:03.880 I tried so like last year, I found I made 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:05.880 my word of the year nup and I failed terribly. 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.399 Or voice your own needs because you don't want to 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.399 cause conflict. Sometimes nines merge with other people's preferences to 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.080 keep things moving smoothly. All of those things are one 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.600 hundred percent me. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.560 It just tells me like all nines are British. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.159 Oh my god, it's so funny. I have a very 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.160 strong inner critic. I have a strong sense of how 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.520 things should be. I'm allergic to confrontation and argument, and 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.120 I'm always always trying to find somewhere peaceful to retreat 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.920 to inside my head and in the world. All those 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.360 things are really, really true. It's why I like my garden. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.760 I didn't even know that until two years ago, and 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.280 why I like reading and art and music and shit. 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:45.840 All of those things are true. But I was so 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:47.679 unhappy about it. I kept trying to game it. But 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:49.879 then when it gave me my flaws, that's when I 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.240 knew it was one hundred percent right, because all these 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.000 things are so true about me, and anyone who works 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.080 with me, and especially as ever tried to manage me, 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.199 would know. Right the art of the I can't say no, 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.560 but I say maybe all the time. Maybe we'll see 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.160 it actually said. The words we'll see are you're most used. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.520 And anyone who knows me, any of my friends, would know, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.040 they'll be like do you want to do this thing 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.400 on that thing on that day? And I'm like, we'll see, 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.280 we'll see. That's literally what I say all the time, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.919 like maybe I'll tell you later. Like I can't say no, 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.920 so I say maybe. And that's really annoying. The procrastination 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:29.800 pivot you how you masterfully finish unimportant tasks to avoid 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:31.160 the thing that actually matters. 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.520 See, hello, absolutely, that is very very very nice. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.920 It's like got a book to write, but hey, suddenly 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.880 I need to replant that gun. But the stone wall. 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.879 This is very me understanding the passive aggressive, stubbornness that 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.280 emerges when you feel pushed or controlled. That is one 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.560 hundred percent me. If you ask me as she would 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.040 go that that's her. 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.240 Yeah, there's like a bit of rebel. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.920 Like when somebody tries to like then I get very 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.080 like and I don't say I won't say yeah because 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:03.280 I'm passive aggressive idiot. To tell me what to do, 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.440 I'll just get very stubborn. Peacemakers can lose their eye 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.000 into a Wii, so like they lose sight of what 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.760 they want and they think to the group very interesting. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:15.600 So all those things are true. So now I'm just 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.600 going to walk around at the time, going I'm so nine. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.640 So I see, I see the value in this because 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:21.919 we've got to get to whether or not any of 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.000 this is important, whether it's just like star signs and 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.840 we like talking about ourselves. I see the value in 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.280 this to a point because the things that I know, 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:31.159 we all know. No matter how old you are and 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.080 what your life stage is and what the challenges are 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.520 you facing in that minute, there are things you need 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.600 to fix about your life or get better at. So, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.720 for example, and nine needs to get better at saying nope, right, 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.720 I need to get better at stop killing. You need 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.800 to get better at not ruining everybody else, like to 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:52.520 improve yours. I'm just thinking about the time that em 0:21:52.600 --> 0:22:01.560 carried around her Best New Talent award. She put it 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.600 on the podcast, and I'm just like, she's such, what 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.160 is it? Three? I am such a three? Such a three? 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.119 I love it. But it's like, so in theory, the 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.520 positive side of this kind of thing is it supposed 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.960 to make you recognize that in yourself and so therefore 0:22:16.000 --> 0:22:20.080 work towards like working with your weaknesses. So is it 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:21.240 scientifically correct? 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.880 So when I was studying psychology in our first tutorial. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.240 They did something where they gave everybody did a personality test, 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.280 and then they gave everybody in the next lesson a 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.320 paragraph and then you wrote about how much you felt 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:37.119 like it reflected you. 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.800 Surprise, price turned out they gave everyone. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.680 The same paragraph and everybody was like, yes, self identification, Yes, 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.760 I do think there's a lot of that with enny agram. 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.800 So Holly you reading that out, I'm like, that's me. 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:57.960 That's me, like less with the murder, We're not. 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.280 Like the only achiever in the whole world. 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.840 But the idea of people being ambitious and then wanting 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:05.960 to protect their image, like that's universal. 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.159 Yeah, I know, but you know how like I was 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.399 pissed off about mine because I wanted one that was 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:14.800 like you're an amazingly successful genius and it's like, no, 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.359 you're just good at making people feel nice, Like what 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:18.200 about that side? 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.640 Well, so you will be happy to know. The enneagram 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:25.479 is not a scientifically validated personality test, and it ranks 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:29.480 well below other models in terms of evidence and reliability. 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:29.359 Thank god. 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:31.119 And it is what about all of. 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.480 It is based on a mix of spiritual traditions and 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:43.119 psychological ideas, and what it's good for is a storytelling 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:49.560 framework or conversations about growth, but it's not kind of 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:54.840 made of anything. But it's not about scientific rigor. So 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.320 there's many reasons for that. One is that it hasn't 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.840 been shown to be addictive of anything, so like your 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.640 behavior or job performance or life outcomes, it hasn't been 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:12.399 found to be reliable across time. I me, and if 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.040 you're interested, the most scientifically backed personality test is actually 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:22.480 the Big five Ocean, So that's openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, neuroticism. 0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:24.560 You know, I'm going to get freaking agreeableness. 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:26.359 Yeah, you're going to get agreeableness. 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.480 Not doing any more tests, I'm going to be disagreeable. 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:32.600 I'm going to be disagreeable. I'm not doing any more tests. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.199 But that is really predictive across cultures, across time. So 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.680 if you kind of want something that's got a lot 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.240 more evidence, I'd probably go down that route, even though 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.080 you might feel like it's less interesting, but I do 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:49.240 think it's really interesting. I categorize everybody via those five traits. 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:54.360 Where I live, there will often just be an unexplained queue, 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.240 and honestly, I reckon every Saturday. I go for a 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:02.440 walk and I walk past corner and there's a sneaking 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:07.560 line of hundreds of people. So well, no, more often 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.400 than not, it's an influencer doing some kind of pop up, 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.719 of course, And what do they do pop ups on, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.159 like for a brand like some like sometimes on like 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.560 the Beach, it'll be a sunscreen brand and they've got 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:24.879 some influencer or there was. 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:26.240 There was an ice cream one a. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:29.080 Little while ago with a really like popular influencer, and 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:30.840 I thought it was interesting because I saw the queue 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.119 and then I walked past the shop front and she 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:35.080 was out the back talking to someone. 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:36.160 Was it Tyra Banks? 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:39.800 No? No, no, no, no, very young influencer. But I 0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:40.679 was like, honey, there's. 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:41.760 Hundreds of people waiting for you. 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:42.840 Busy. 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:49.440 But I'm always interested by what motivates people to line 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:54.080 up for so so so long. Maybe they're hoping to 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.919 get a photo with the person or meet them in person, 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.200 meet them in person, and they. 0:25:58.119 --> 0:25:59.760 Will literally wait hours. 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.199 The's got me thinking about what I would queue for, 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:04.520 because I would not cue for that. 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.760 But it's interesting because I think, you know, how we 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:09.800 live in this immediacy culture of like we can press 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:13.359 a button and get everything. Queuing feels like it's back 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:15.399 in a way, because like when you go to a 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.800 major shopping center, there will be people queuing for a 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.919 pop up or whatever, and I feel that it's all 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:24.360 about fomo. It's fake. It's sort of fake demand created right, 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.399 and it's like people are into it. They like the 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.760 whole experience of standing in the queue. 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:34.920 It's the same reason apparently some shops, especially like new shops, 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:40.240 are designed to be like intentionally small, so that it 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:41.560 always looks over crowded. 0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:43.760 It's why the influencer was talking to the person at 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:45.800 the back. She wanted the queue to be big. 0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:49.280 Oh so you're smart, people would cuy for you, Holly. 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:53.240 Oh yeah, Holly. What would you queue for coffee? There's 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.520 pretty much the only thing my friend always says to me. 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.800 Who's not a coffee person, you know, when you like 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.840 sometimes where I live, there's only a few coffee shops 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:03.480 and it might be a busy holiday weekend and you'll 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:04.720 go and auder your coffee and they'll be like, oh, 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.359 it's going to be fifteen minutes or there's a really 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:08.960 long wait, and I'll be like fine, But my friend 0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.040 alway says, there is nothing else you would queue for 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.480 and wait for all that time, except for coffee, And 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:16.720 I'm like, that's true. But then I was also thinking 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:22.080 about tickets to stuff. So people always complain about those 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.760 online queues we have now where it's like you log 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:26.240 in and it's like I want to see Harry Styles 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:30.439 and it'll say you are fourteen thousand, three hundred and 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.480 whatever in this queue, and how annoying it is, and 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.719 you're there for like three hours. But when I was eleven, 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.919 I stood in an actual physical queue for tickets to 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:44.879 see Duran DuRane gen X reference four eight hours. We 0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:47.800 got there before. It was late in the morning with 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.280 our sleeping bag on a school day, no whatuld a 0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.040 bit of Saturday for sure, and we were there for 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:55.639 eight hours. And when I got to the front of 0:27:55.680 --> 0:28:00.879 the queue, tickets is sold out, just sold out. So 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.760 when people complained about online queues, I'm a bit like, mate, 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.960 you know how it used to bear. Yeah, people queue 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.240 for in my neighborhood, my old neighborhood in Sydney. They 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:16.320 would definitely cue for bread, fancy bread from a fancy bakery. Yeah, 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.480 Iggy's on Bronze Road. That's the one people would always 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.560 queue for. That, but I personally will only cue for 0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:23.600 coffee and Harry Styles. 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:28.040 I will queue for anything and everything. A few weeks ago, 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:29.879 I stood in a queue for two hours for a 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:30.600 chicken wrap. 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.160 I know you don't understand. It was a really important 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.040 chicken red it was so important. 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.640 So Ramadan was a few weeks ago, and they do 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.720 the La Kember markets in Sydney, and. 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.160 You were so excited about going to that. Did you 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:46.840 spend the whole two hour standing in a queue? 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.560 I kind of left my friends in the q and 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:53.520 and explored and got more food. Somebody would someone had 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:57.240 to be in the queue. The best best chicken rote 0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.760 you've ever tasted. They only do it for the market, 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:01.960 so you only get it once a year. So worth 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.200 it and I had to have it. It was amazing, 0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.320 so worth it. I've queued for twenty five minutes. 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.600 For a Labooboo. I don't know where it is now, 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.160 but I enjoyed the experience moment. It was very important 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.440 and I didn't even know what we were queuing for. 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.200 I just stood out of PopMart and joined the queue, 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:19.760 and then I asked someone and they were like, oh, 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:21.680 the new labuobus are coming out, and I was like, okay, 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.280 I wait, and then I get there, and then she 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.000 gets she goes what's the laboob? 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.360 And then at the counter they were like what would 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.200 you like? And I was like, why was I in 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:31.840 that queue? And he was like, oh, for this labum 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:32.560 and I was like, yeah, that one. 0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:35.680 That's what I want. That's what I want. What these 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.200 people want, that's what I want to They always queue 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.960 for cafes, like really nice breakfast cafes, probably like about 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:42.880 forty five minutes. 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:44.440 Yeah, really way around. 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.000 It's for a good scrambled Will you not going next 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:48.720 door to the one that doesn't have the queue? No, 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:52.040 because why wouldn't they have a queue? Clearly not that good. 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:52.959 No. 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:54.160 I love cues. 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.240 I love the experience of a queue. I love listening 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.240 to other people's conversation. You can't get angry at people 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.160 in q's because then you to stand there with them. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:05.120 Yeah time, Yeah, well yeah exactly. What about theme parks? 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:06.680 I would kill yeah, ride. 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.120 I was going to say I would queue for two things. 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:14.080 One theme park, absolutely, because it's like being in a 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.000 Q is just part of the experience. 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.040 And sometimes I think, you. 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.520 Know, how really rich people get that pass where they 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:24.080 don't have to queue, Like that's lovely, but like I 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.240 want to teach my child that that the queue is 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.040 part of it because you watch the ride a million time. 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.440 A two hour queue for a five minute ride, and 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.080 sometimes they might like gift you with like a steal 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.400 bar or a wall to lean on in the queue. Wow. 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:42.800 But it's funny because it's like I when I was young, 0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.480 I would queue for nightclubs, right, like, obviously this is 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.920 a long time ago, and we used to tell ourselves 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.280 as we were freezing our tits off in some really 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.680 stupid outfit and you know, it's minus five, and we 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.560 used to tell ourselves, you never remember the queue, And 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.440 that's true, like you and I later in life, I 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.840 remember the thinking that about labor, Like I was like, 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.120 you don't remember the pain so much as the baby, 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.720 but like you don't remember the queue outside the nightclub, Yes, 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.640 as much as you remember the time you had in 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:10.400 such Yes. 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.960 And that leads me to my second thing that I 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.760 will always queue for and not ask questions. I will 0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:21.520 queue overseas when the stakes are seeing something I may 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:22.960 never have the opportunity. 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.320 To see, So the Mona Lisa or there. 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.080 Yeah, yeah, I will cue. 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:30.440 So I remember the Mona Lisa. She's quite small, but. 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.280 Like even getting into the loop. Depending on the time 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:33.960 of year, it might be a bit of a cue. 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.720 But I remember the queue to see Ann Frank's house 0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:42.120 in Amsterdam was huge, and we had had a back 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:43.520 and forth about do we line up? 0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.600 Do we not line up? I was like, you line up, 0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:46.960 You're always line up. 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.280 That's really interesting. I reckon there would be an any 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.960 gram answer to that of like which numbers would just 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:53.400 go fuck it, let's go and have a drink, and 0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.600 which ones would be like, no, we have come to 0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:56.760 see this, we will see it. 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:58.120 I always line up. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.360 The three is definitely gonna cue because they want to 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:02.920 achieve exactly. 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:05.640 And then take photos and showrun how much better my 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:07.840 life is and how your life is really bad. 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:09.240 And also I might murder you later. 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:14.160 See I'm wise, so I need to see historic things 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.000 because I may be historic. 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.640 That's true, So you might be the Mona Lisa out 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:21.840 loud is in a moment. 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.920 There are very specific things you shouldn't do an hour 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.360 before a date, and you're about to learn from all 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:32.640 of my mistakes. American psychiatrist doctor k was interviewed on 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:39.120 the Andrew Huberman podcast and so much, and they were 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:43.000 talking about love and dating and some of the obstacles 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:46.040 in modern love, and he said, Andrew Kay said, he's 0:32:46.040 --> 0:32:46.640 a one, by. 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:52.280 The way, when my reformers. 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.640 Yeah, Doctor Kay said, one of the reasons that it's 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.200 harder to fall in love is because the feeling of 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:02.000 being in love fells our brain dopamine. However, due to 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:05.120 our dopamine system getting messed up with social media and 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:08.840 all the time that we spend on technology, it becomes 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.280 neurochemically harder to fall in love. So what he does 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.680 is he tells his patience to go for a walk 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:16.920 an hour before they go on a date and to 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:19.440 not touch any technology. 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.360 Right, is an hour long enough to do that? To think, 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:25.200 like an hour to like to sort out the detox 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:26.280 dopamine stuff. 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:28.320 Well, as you know, I'm a three, so I don't 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:29.320 really care about. 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:30.600 What's happening to you personally. 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.080 What I care about is that you're not messaging me 0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.200 in an hour before our day to let me know 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.520 that it's still happening. So now I'm freaking out. I'm 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.720 already done up because it's an hour for our date 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.680 and they're not messaging me back because Andrew Hubberman said, 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:45.200 don't do. 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:48.240 That, don't message her. What do you think? Do you 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:53.000 think it's good advice? I know? No, who are you 0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.800 messaging in an hour before? Is the person I'm going 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.200 to say before? I assume that if you've got all 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.640 the way to an hour hour before the date thinking 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.280 the date's going to happen, it's. 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:06.640 No, it's more like an iss, like I need to 0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.439 tell them, Hey, I'm just about to leave, see you soon. 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:09.640 Oh. 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:11.719 I need them to say that so I'm I know 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:13.200 we're in it. We're in it. 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.640 Yeah, not a last minute cancelation. I think the social 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.759 media thing is a good idea not to look at 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:22.919 social media before a date, Like I do this when 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.440 I'm about to do, like go to an event, or 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.840 even if i'm like last Weekend was going on stage 0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.520 hollywo was as well, And I don't look at my phone. 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.000 Not for the dopamine thing, but because there have been 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.640 times where I'm about to do something that feels high 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.959 stakes and I'm on my phone and I just see 0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.319 something that ruins my confidence. 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:45.840 Like it's something totally. 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:51.360 It can be like a photo of somebody or just 0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:55.719 just something that makes me feel self conscious or inadequate. 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.560 A photo of a three achieving something yes. 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.080 Yes, and I become murderous. It's not good for them 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:06.080 the event, So I think it's good for both those reasons. 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.799 Well, that makes sense because your algorithm is always algorithming. 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:10.200 So I guess if you're going on a date with 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.000 someone and then you see a TikTok of some guy going. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.160 These red flags are people always. 0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.040 Forget and it's describing that guide to a t then 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.839 that might put you off. But it reminded me that 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.919 as a serial data that I subconsciously have all these 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.520 rules in my head of things that you should definitely 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.560 not do an hour before the date. 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:32.640 So Andrew, get on your podcast sculling several glasses of prosecca. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.239 Yes, one of them is don't do tequila shot an 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.560 hour before the date, because you feel good in the moment, 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:38.640 but an hour later. 0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.719 It also can skew the judgment of whether or not 0:35:41.760 --> 0:35:43.600 this person is attractive and interesting. 0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.200 I have, okay, unpopular opinion, but this is from experience. 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.960 An hour before the date, if you see a juicy 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.160 pimple in your face, do pop it? 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:54.560 Do? Yeah? Do not pop it? 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.640 On the way out or do not see it on 0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.439 the way out. Okay, I need to tell you about 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:00.440 this date. I went on how a juicy pimple on 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.439 my face. I was like, no, it's going to ruin everything. 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.440 I'll put some makeup over. 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:03.760 It. 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.480 Went on a date, really vibe with the guy. We 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.160 were having so much fun. I did the flirty thing 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.160 of like tucking my hair behind my ears. As I 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:16.160 went to tuck my hair, my nail grazed the pimple 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:19.960 on my cheek and I pushed it up my cheek 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.000 and into my hair, and I just felt this whole 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.200 right side on my face completely wet, and I I 0:36:26.200 --> 0:36:29.840 could see his eyelight, his eyeline. 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:33.520 Following my hand, and it's staying there. It stayed where 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.359 my cheek was you pop the pimple in a date? 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:36.959 I did? 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:42.160 Did he call? I didn't hear from a game? Yeah. 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.560 That's a hard one though, because I'd often do that, 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.680 like before I'm coming to work or something. I might 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:49.080 be looking closely in the me and you're like, oh, 0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:50.759 and then you know if you do go in, you're 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:54.080 gonna have red blotches. So leave it, leave the steaks. 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:54.560 Leave it. 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.719 Also face related, do not try any new skin care 0:36:58.000 --> 0:36:59.120 an hour before the day. 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.800 You'll get a rushed own dire eyebrows. I've done that before. 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.320 Same died by eyebrow because I tinted my eyebrows because 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:08.600 my eyebrows are non existent. And this was before an 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.719 event too, because I'm sad like Claire and haven't been 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:12.160 on a date. Well a should I go on dates 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.960 with Brent? But like, you know, you know, I've got 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.160 trivia Thursday, We've got trivia Thursdays. I'd never pop a 0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:22.719 piple before Trivia Thursdays. But I died my eyebrows and 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.880 then this makeup honest lady just looked at me and 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:29.600 she was like, what did you do? I was like, well, 0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.200 I thought they needed tinting because you can't see them 0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:33.839 and all the rest of it. She's like, we're going 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.319 to have to try and fix that with foundation now, 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:37.520 and she had to paint them out. 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.000 Because you know what you didn't do because I don't 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.359 do it either. You didn't put vasoline around them. Did 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.279 you to stop the dye going on your skin because 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:44.720 you're too. 0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:47.440 Fast and loose. I'm the same. I'm like, oh, just 0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:49.719 be really precise, and then I end up. 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.720 With this weird monobrow like tattooed thing because I didn't 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:55.000 do the vasoline. 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.279 One time an hour before a date, I got a 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.120 lymphatic drainage massage. 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:01.400 What happened? 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.279 It really makes your bows move, but only like an 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:06.000 hour after. 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.600 Yeah, if there's things you shouldn't eat, you shouldn't in 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:11.239 the hour before you go on, you don't. 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.920 You also don't want to hold everything in because then 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:15.160 you're get a hemorrhoid. 0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:17.480 Which has also happened on a day. You need to 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.120 check with doctor Claire if that's true. But anyway, have 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.320 you got any thoughts about things you shouldn't do before. 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.160 You Okay, massive thing for me. 0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:28.120 Don't try and paint your nails because you are too 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:33.360 impatient and I cannot not use my hands for however 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.400 long the ambiguous amount of time it is that it 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.839 will dry, so they always end up so so, so bad, 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.600 and you'd rather just have bare nails than all the mess. 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:47.200 You shouldn't have a fight with your mom, best friend X. Shouldn't. 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.279 You shouldn't anything that's going to ruin your mood like that, Like, 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.439 don't get into it if you if you're WhatsApp group 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.800 starts popping off but you've got to be in the zone. 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:56.720 Just ignore. I agree. 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.919 I also think don't tell your friends that you're going 0:38:59.920 --> 0:39:01.960 on a date an hour before, because then it gives 0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.719 them an hour to like really vet that person and 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.359 you have to answer the questions. Just tell them as 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:07.200 you're walking out the door. 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.640 Question, do you if you're going on a date with someone? 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.200 Do you? Do you tell your friends? And do you 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.120 tell them who it is so that they do do 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:16.960 that and get in your head about it. Oh, I've 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.759 seen that guy. Oh I don't know about that guy, 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.160 blah blah blah. No, I only tell them who it 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.440 is after the date. But I do have them on 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:26.239 Find my Friends, so they track my location for a 0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:28.680 safety thing. So you would text before we leave, leaving 0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.879 now leaving for a day on it. Yeah, and then 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:33.399 after I'll be like it was this guy, and I'd 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.520 be like, oh, I dated that guy in twenty twenty one. Yeah, great, 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.239 Sunny is very small. We will never talk of him again. 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:42.880 After the break. 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:47.160 Our best recommendations to get you through the Easter long weekend. 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:53.560 Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is my 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:54.600 best recommendation. 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.680 It's Friday, so we want to set you up with 0:39:58.080 --> 0:39:59.480 our best recommendations. 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:04.319 I'm going to start with m you have been on 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:05.080 a hot streak. 0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:09.600 Oh, I'd say, really setting the tone with the recommendations 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.760 because you consume content like no one I've ever. 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:13.480 Met me to consume a lot of content. 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:16.359 And I do have to issue an apology for out 0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:19.319 louders because I was made aware by a lovely out 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:23.920 louder that there is also a twenty twenty one Bruce 0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:28.440 Willis film called Deadlock. That's deadlock with a K, not 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.920 Deadlock with the H. The TV show that I recommend 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.720 that I recommended last week. I didn't recommend that film. 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:36.040 I did ask her if it was good and she 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:36.560 said no. 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.759 She came in to be like, EM, why did you 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:41.759 send me to this movie? And you were like, no, no, no, 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:43.759 that's not what I meant. She said that she spent 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.000 thirty five minutes watching it and her partner was like, 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.360 what is going on? And she was like, I trust 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.840 EM's recommendation. Let's take it rough. This doesn't seem like 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:56.880 a quirky crime comedy in Tasmania. No, but Deadlock with 0:40:57.000 --> 0:40:59.600 the H is a TV show that is very very good. 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.239 Started watching it now, are you enjoying? You absolutely loving it? 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.520 All your records lately? Oh my god, how to get 0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:06.480 to Heaven from Belfast? 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.440 So I've got another TV show to recommend this week 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:10.400 on Prime Video. 0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.719 It's a new one. It's called Young Sherlock. It is 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:14.560 on Prime Video. 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:19.640 It stars Hero Finds Tiffin And if that name sounds familiar, 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:24.319 it's because he's Ray find nephew. Oh so the not 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:27.440 the character, the start, the starter, the star he plays 0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:33.320 Sherlock Holmes and his other uncle, Joseph Finds, plays his dad. 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.960 And if he sounds familiar, he's the commander in Handmaid's Tale. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.520 And I'm sure he was in shakespeare line anyway. So 0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.840 it's a big It's a big handsome guy. He's very handy, 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.799 always like a bit of a creepy, creepy dude. But 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:51.640 I just love to keep it in the family, don't they. 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.839 They're like, it must be a really good job because 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.319 if like I was watching Love Story Meryl Streep's daughters, 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.120 and I'm like, imagine being Meryl Streep's daughter, Who's she's 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:02.840 the best act of all time. Anyway, I'm digressing, but 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:05.480 it's so true. So I've only found this after the case. 0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:07.879 But it's a big NEPO show, but you can't tell 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:08.760 when you're watching it. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:09.879 It's really really good. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.400 So it is about Sherlock Holmes when he was younger 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.960 at Oxford. All his professors start to die and then 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:18.759 he goes on this big like adventure to figure out 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:20.600 how they're dying, why they're dying. 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:22.720 It's just really really fun. 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.680 I would say it's like a family show, except that 0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:27.399 it is a few swear words in there? 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.680 Do I need to have any other? Because when when 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:32.560 I hit this is the thing about shows now, when 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.240 I hear young Sherlock, I'm like, is there some Sherlock 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:37.640 universe that I'm not aware of? 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:39.280 Where I'm going to be lacking things? 0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.800 You do know who Slock home? I do an investigator. 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:47.040 I like him, he is a five, he's a far 0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:47.640 like you. 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:52.840 But I'm like, young, like, is there other related stuff? 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:54.080 When there's storylines? 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.000 I need to know there are like some few little 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.080 bits of that, like address the Sherlock universe. 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:00.799 But you're not going to be like, what are they 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.359 talking about? Okay, like you will understand it. So it's 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:09.120 him and his best friend James Moriarty when they're older 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.799 become like sworn enemies. But they're best friends when they 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.200 were younger, and they're just like on this big adventure. 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.160 And they're both very good looking, which is arguably the 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:17.839 most important thing. 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:22.440 Oh, beautiful, beautiful, Okay, I need to recommend The Gambler 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:27.040 by J. P. Pomari. I'm probably saying that wrong. I 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.680 think it's no, it's not Pommyre. It's not Pommere. It 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:34.600 is Maury and he rolls the art and it sounds 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.680 beautiful when he says it, and silly when I say it. 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.120 Sorry, but you're say it's not Italian. 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:43.919 But you'll see now that I've said it, you'll see 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:44.759 his name on book cover. 0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:45.440 Yes, okay. 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:48.640 So he's an award winning author originally from New Zealand 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:51.120 who now lives in Melbourne. And books of his you 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.280 might have already read include In The Clearing, The Last 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.719 Guests Tell Me Lies or seventeen years Later. And he's 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:01.400 also had two of his books adapted for series on 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:05.160 Stan and Disney Plus. But The Gambler just came out 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:09.000 and I read an early copy in literally two days. 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.120 It is set in America and it follows a private 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:16.000 investigator who is looking at quite an unusual case because 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.440 an otherwise lovely woman in her sixties has opened fire 0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:23.360 at a political rally, shooting a promising young university student 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.120 before being shot dead herself. There doesn't seem to be 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.120 any motive except some rumors that Barb who's the shooter, 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.880 was spending a lot of time on Facebook and getting 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.200 more and more persuaded by conspiracy. 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.480 Lots of things we've been talking about lately, I know. 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:43.960 So the thing I loved most about this book that 0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:48.160 people who have read other books of his will recognize 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:53.080 is that there's an incredible twist, a master of the twist. 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:58.400 But it challenges every possible stereotype you could have about 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.000 different kinds of people in the US. So you might 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.040 have a stereotype about the kind of person who carries 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.360 a gun, or the kind of person who lives in 0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.760 the Midwest, or the kind of person who's highly educated, 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.799 whatever it is, it turns all of it on its 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.960 head in a really humanizing way. And he's able to 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:21.000 express a character's motivations in. 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:24.319 This really believable. 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.319 Way, even when they're the villain. So if you love 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.560 Jane Harper, then you'll love the Gambler and you'll race 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:30.960 through it. 0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.640 I've got a book as well, So we were heaving 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:36.279 on the books this week because I've been waiting for 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:37.759 this book to come out to tell you about it, 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.359 because so many out louders are going to fricking love 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:43.200 this book. It's called The Nocturnals and it's by Francis Whiting. 0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:47.600 And Francis Whiting is a journo from Queensland who is 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.160 the most beautiful writer. She has a really popular column 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.040 that she's had for one hundred years, so she's a 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.239 little bit of a Brisbane legend. And she writes novels too, 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.759 but not very often like she's and so you're always 0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:01.799 excited when she writes one. I know her name she wrote, well, 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.080 the last one she wrote was called some kind of Beautiful. 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.799 I think her most popular, her most famous one is 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.680 called Walking on Trampolines. She's just a beautiful writer. Anyway. 0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.520 This one is called The Nocturnals and it's going to 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:16.560 be big because it taps into so many things that 0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:19.759 people love at the minute, nineties, nostalgia. It's like, it's 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.080 not about murders and it's not about crime, which murders 0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:23.640 and crime are great, don't get me wrong, but it's 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.960 not that kind of a book. Yeah. So it's about 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:30.000 this group of school best friends in the nineties. So 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.399 in nineteen ninety seven, this group of sort of they've 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:35.120 all got like issues at home or whatever, and they 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:38.120 become this very tight group of sort of slightly eccentric 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:41.759 outcasts called the Nocturnals. And then the book picks them 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.840 up fifteen years later, so still in the world pre phones, 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.440 pre internet, they're going to have a reunion for the 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:50.120 first time. So like, this is a familiar kind of 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.800 plot in a way, right, we know about the friends 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.080 at school and that picking them up later, and it's 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.960 just very successful in that way. But the thing about 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:04.000 this book is the characters so beautifully crafted. The competing 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.520 timeline of it isn't confusing at all. It's so deft. 0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:09.560 The chapters are really short. She manages to cram so 0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:12.360 much characterization into it. Like I just felt like I 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:15.040 could see all these people that I knew exactly what 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.200 they look like, what they smelt like, how they were 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.160 and they were so real. And the thing is is, 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.240 of course there's like a romantic tension because the ones 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:23.960 who you think are going to be the couples at 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.320 the beginning. Then somebody's gone off with somebody else's person 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:28.759 and all this, and one of them has become a 0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:30.759 famous news reader in New York and he's coming back, 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:35.800 and like, it's just so beautiful, so juicy, but such 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:39.759 a like gorgeous read. Anyway, I love it. You'll see 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.759 it because it's got these it's got this gorgeous cover 0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.680 with these disco balls on it that kind of all 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.319 glitters and it's it's just the most beautiful book. It's 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.239 called The Nocturnals by Francis Widing, and you will thank 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:52.080 me for it. That is all we have time for 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.399 on Mama Mia out Loud this week. Have a nice 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:56.880 long weekend. 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