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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Momma Mia out loud. It's what

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Speaker 1: women are actually talking about on Friday, the stead of April.

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Speaker 1: It's Good Friday. And if you're surprised that we are

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Speaker 1: bringing you a full show on Good.

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Speaker 2: Friday, because hustlers never quit.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, if you're if you are

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Speaker 1: feeling that this is a holy day, just address your

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Speaker 1: concerns to capitalism. Send your emails of complaint to capitalism.

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Speaker 1: That's what I would like to say.

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Speaker 3: I think my nanois you say Good Friday is more important.

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Speaker 1: Than Easter Sunday. Yep, it is for some people religiously.

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Speaker 1: The thing I know most about Good Friday from my

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Speaker 1: years of camping and things at Easter, the bottle shops

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Speaker 1: are shut. It's the only day of the year because

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Speaker 1: we're morning Jesus. Is that?

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Speaker 3: Howe?

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Speaker 1: I know? So happy? Oh no, I was going to

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Speaker 1: say happy Good Friday.

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Speaker 2: That's not the correct.

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Speaker 1: Happy Easter long weekend if you are having one. Here

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Speaker 1: is what Oh sorry, I'm Hollywayen right. Hello, I'm Claire

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Speaker 1: Stephen and I'm Vernon. We are in public holiday mode, obviously.

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Speaker 1: Here is what made our agenda for today. I'm a nine. Gwin,

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Speaker 1: it's the one. No, you're a ten out of ten.

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Speaker 1: Sweet Claire's a four, Margat Robbie's a seven and a three.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? It is correct. We're talking about niagrams,

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Speaker 1: why they're so hot right now and whether they're just

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Speaker 1: star signs for the self optimization group.

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Speaker 4: Plus everything you shouldn't do an hour before a date.

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Speaker 1: I have some very very strong.

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Speaker 3: Opinions and our recommendations for your Easter long weekend, what

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Speaker 3: to watch and read.

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Speaker 2: But first we need to talk about Easter.

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Speaker 3: Treats, because every time I go to the supermarket, I'm aware.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's so sad that some people don't know

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Speaker 3: the ranking, Like what's elite and what's not a laite?

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Speaker 1: You mean an Easter eggs? Yes, obviously chocolate.

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Speaker 3: So I may be thirty five years old, but I

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Speaker 3: better be receiving eggs on some day.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to get them for you? Who gets you eggs?

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Speaker 2: We are going to mum's house?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, does your mom still buy Easter eggs

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Speaker 1: for you as she should she buys them for children?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I will eat my child exactly exactly, and

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Speaker 3: I reckon she'll do an Easter egg hunt.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I will participate and you will win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will win.

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Speaker 1: Do people buy you?

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Speaker 4: This is quite traumatic to bring up, but I haven't

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Speaker 4: had an I haven't received an Easter egg in the

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Speaker 4: past three years. The year before that, I went over

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Speaker 4: for lunch to mom and dad and I was like, so,

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Speaker 4: where's there is? Do I get an Easter bunny and

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Speaker 4: Easter Egg? And I just saw like the blood terrain

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Speaker 4: from their face and going, oh, we didn't know we

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Speaker 4: were still doing that. And I've been upset ever since.

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Speaker 4: Hasn't been amended thought one.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: When I was a kid, there were some kids at

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Speaker 1: school who got presents at Easter present gifts as if

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Speaker 1: it was Christmas, and I so I was like, that

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Speaker 1: is wild people do that.

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Speaker 3: I remember that in primary school, and I remember my

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Speaker 3: mum being horrified by consumerism. But I did think i'd share,

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Speaker 3: you know, just share my knowledge about what the most

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Speaker 3: elite eggs are. I guess you guys can weigh in.

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Speaker 3: You'll be wrong, but the most elite egg for gifting

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Speaker 3: purposes is the big Cadbury crunchy one.

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Speaker 1: Dude, it looks like a turd.

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Speaker 2: Like looks can me to see it?

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Speaker 3: It's thin milk chocolate, and then it's got little bits crunchy,

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Speaker 3: and then it has like mini crunchy eggs inside.

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Speaker 2: There are eight. That's a good number to.

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Speaker 1: Get eight pieces of disappintment. It's not enough in my

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Speaker 1: opinion at the point. If you're gonna have a big egg,

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Speaker 1: it needs to be full of stuff. You know, Sometimes

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I was gonna

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Speaker 3: say that. Sometimes I do the eight mini eggs and

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Speaker 3: freezer for and that's a lovely experience. Along with the

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Speaker 3: plain Cadbury Dairy milk. Mini eggs I agree are the

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Speaker 3: elite and the mini egg The one where the.

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Speaker 1: Blue turns into a purple is the best tasting one.

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Speaker 1: It's all about the.

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Speaker 2: Foil, about the foil. That's exactly what I was.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to yellow, No, I don't want a

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Speaker 3: lime green, orange, red. No.

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Speaker 1: The best eggs are the lint mini eggs, the dark ones,

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Speaker 1: the blue. I'll just take out a home, take it

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Speaker 1: a loan for this. I know. It's cost of living,

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Speaker 1: pressures and everything. Fewer eggs, better quality. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: lint all the way.

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Speaker 2: See I have feedback for lint, I do.

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Speaker 1: There is no feedback lip.

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Speaker 3: The lint Easter Bunny. Yeah, okay, very classic in the

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Speaker 3: gold wrapping with the little red ribbon. It's thick in

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Speaker 1: The ears, and.

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Speaker 2: It makes me thirsty.

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Speaker 1: It makes me thirsty. Chop the milk milk, it.

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Speaker 2: Down, silk milk.

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Speaker 3: Next here the KitKat chunky egg, the Smarties.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. I know about the

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Speaker 3: What they're Sorry, it's KitKat chunky and the smartiest one.

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Speaker 3: But then Nestle and notably, that's not Cadbury Golden Gaytime egg. No,

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Speaker 3: don't be too tricky. You can't be taking those kind

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Speaker 3: of risks. Not a fan of carra milk, Cadbury cream

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Speaker 1: I do I love the Cadbury's cream egg. When I

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Speaker 1: me and my brother, just just a treat, and it

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Speaker 1: would be the most amazing thing ever, she'd like pull

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Speaker 1: it out of her sleeve as if it was. And

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Speaker 1: they are the bomb. I haven't eaten one as an adult,

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Speaker 1: though I have to say they seem a lot. I

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Speaker 1: don't like being surprised by content in my egg.

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Speaker 2: Agree.

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Speaker 3: I don't like being surprised by the color. That can

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Speaker 1: It's fondant. Yeah, yes, I think I think that's what's inside.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, Red Huel of Easter Bunnies. No, no, absolutely ill,

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Speaker 3: But I'm not going to enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: See the way it goes in my world. Regular outlouders

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Speaker 1: But I'm always camping at Easter. I've had I'm camping

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Speaker 1: right now while you're listening to this. I am camping

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Speaker 1: the problems that you have. And all Easter campers know

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Speaker 1: You've all got to take your eggs for the Easter hunt.

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Speaker 1: They will melt because it is invariably hot. So you've

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Speaker 1: it where the eggs will go. But then the water

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Speaker 1: like it's very high maintenance. But I've always believed in

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Speaker 1: quality for me. So little cute lint ones and cheap

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Speaker 1: Minis for yourself. That's the only way to do it.

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Speaker 1: One year I got Brent to buy the Easter eggs.

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Speaker 1: You won't be surprised to know that he went full

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Speaker 1: cheap chocolate. And I think it was the year that

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Speaker 1: And it tasted awful. It tasted like shame and discippline

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Speaker 1: and wax. Okay. Amy Pohler started this for me, right.

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Speaker 1: I listened to her podcast Good Hang. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: it before, and in almost every single episode she brings

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Speaker 1: up enneagrams. Right does she get the guest to do

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Speaker 1: them before? Well, she always asks them what they are,

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Speaker 1: so she's like, I think they It only works with

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Speaker 1: it is her personality, right, it's her any a gram number.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't know what we're talking about, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you a quick breakdown. In Hollywood right now,

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Speaker 1: it's very hot. It's on all the self optimization podcasts,

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Speaker 1: but management trainers, leadership coaches, you know those team building

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Speaker 1: exercises you're often asked to do a work. They've been

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Speaker 1: any further proof of how hot it is. The other week,

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Speaker 1: So there are going to be a few experts who

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Speaker 1: the way that I describe aneagrams now and they're going

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Speaker 1: to go, Holly, you're wrong. I know there are people

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Speaker 1: we're like feeling bossy and we want to know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we're eights that's why we're feeling bossy, or we're really curious,

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Speaker 1: there are reasons why. So we do it in this

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Speaker 1: things like, is it important that other people like you?

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Speaker 1: Do you tend to blend your personality based on the

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Speaker 1: Those kind of things right, And after you've answered those

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Speaker 1: for about fifteen minutes, it spits you out a list

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Speaker 1: top and that is your number, and you are stuck

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Speaker 1: with it. Right, So you two, did you do the test?

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Speaker 1: M did you do the test? What did you find?

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Speaker 4: I did do the test because you told me I

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Speaker 4: had to do it, so I did have to do

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Speaker 4: it for work purpose.

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Speaker 1: Do you like these kind of things or not? Personality quizzies, Like,

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Speaker 1: it'sn't really that different from those ones I used to

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Speaker 1: do in magazines when you were a kid, and it

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Speaker 4: I was really into it when I was younger because

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Speaker 4: I think that the answer to these personality tests would

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Speaker 4: be like what I would be like when I grew up.

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Speaker 4: And we did like the Mayas Briggs and stuff when

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Speaker 4: I was younger. Now I just feel like there's so many.

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Speaker 1: But again, I'm also attractive and charming. Well those things

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Speaker 3: So I was a five when I did it professionally

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Speaker 2: Because Holly is gonna mock me.

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Speaker 1: That's so five of you, five of her. That's exactly it.

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Speaker 2: That made me feel weird.

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Speaker 3: So well, a five is the investigator. No thing wise,

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Speaker 1: To thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: They are able to concentrate and focus on developing. I

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Speaker 3: This is where mine goes into M's territory, they become detached,

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Speaker 1: Nice. No, she hasn't got to the bad bits yet.

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Speaker 3: It is like information being the primary currency of safety,

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Speaker 3: So basically, my if mine was going down the murder route,

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Speaker 1: for example, and nine needs to get better at saying nope, right,

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00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: I need to get better at stop killing. You need

437
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: to get better at not ruining everybody else, like to

438
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: improve yours. I'm just thinking about the time that em

439
00:21:52,600 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: carried around her Best New Talent award. She put it

440
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and I'm just like, she's such, what

441
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: is it? Three? I am such a three? Such a three?

442
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 1: I love it. But it's like, so in theory, the

443
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: positive side of this kind of thing is it supposed

444
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: to make you recognize that in yourself and so therefore

445
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: work towards like working with your weaknesses. So is it

446
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: scientifically correct?

447
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 3: So when I was studying psychology in our first tutorial.

448
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: They did something where they gave everybody did a personality test,

449
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: and then they gave everybody in the next lesson a

450
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 3: paragraph and then you wrote about how much you felt

451
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 3: like it reflected you.

452
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 2: Surprise, price turned out they gave everyone.

453
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: The same paragraph and everybody was like, yes, self identification, Yes,

454
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: I do think there's a lot of that with enny agram.

455
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: So Holly you reading that out, I'm like, that's me.

456
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 3: That's me, like less with the murder, We're not.

457
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Like the only achiever in the whole world.

458
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: But the idea of people being ambitious and then wanting

459
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: to protect their image, like that's universal.

460
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but you know how like I was

461
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: pissed off about mine because I wanted one that was

462
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: like you're an amazingly successful genius and it's like, no,

463
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: you're just good at making people feel nice, Like what

464
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: about that side?

465
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 3: Well, so you will be happy to know. The enneagram

466
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,479
Speaker 3: is not a scientifically validated personality test, and it ranks

467
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: well below other models in terms of evidence and reliability.

468
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: Thank god.

469
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: And it is what about all of.

470
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Speaker 3: It is based on a mix of spiritual traditions and

471
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Speaker 3: psychological ideas, and what it's good for is a storytelling

472
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: framework or conversations about growth, but it's not kind of

473
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: made of anything. But it's not about scientific rigor. So

474
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: there's many reasons for that. One is that it hasn't

475
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: been shown to be addictive of anything, so like your

476
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: behavior or job performance or life outcomes, it hasn't been

477
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: found to be reliable across time. I me, and if

478
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: you're interested, the most scientifically backed personality test is actually

479
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: the Big five Ocean, So that's openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, neuroticism.

480
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to get freaking agreeableness.

481
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to get agreeableness.

482
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: Not doing any more tests, I'm going to be disagreeable.

483
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be disagreeable. I'm not doing any more tests.

484
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: But that is really predictive across cultures, across time. So

485
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: if you kind of want something that's got a lot

486
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: more evidence, I'd probably go down that route, even though

487
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: you might feel like it's less interesting, but I do

488
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: think it's really interesting. I categorize everybody via those five traits.

489
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 3: Where I live, there will often just be an unexplained queue,

490
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 3: and honestly, I reckon every Saturday. I go for a

491
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Speaker 3: walk and I walk past corner and there's a sneaking

492
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 3: line of hundreds of people. So well, no, more often

493
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: than not, it's an influencer doing some kind of pop up,

494
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 3: of course, And what do they do pop ups on,

495
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: like for a brand like some like sometimes on like

496
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: the Beach, it'll be a sunscreen brand and they've got

497
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Speaker 3: some influencer or there was.

498
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: There was an ice cream one a.

499
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Speaker 3: Little while ago with a really like popular influencer, and

500
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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting because I saw the queue

501
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: and then I walked past the shop front and she

502
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: was out the back talking to someone.

503
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Speaker 1: Was it Tyra Banks?

504
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, no, very young influencer. But I

505
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 3: was like, honey, there's.

506
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Speaker 2: Hundreds of people waiting for you.

507
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: Busy.

508
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: But I'm always interested by what motivates people to line

509
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: up for so so so long. Maybe they're hoping to

510
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: get a photo with the person or meet them in person,

511
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: meet them in person, and they.

512
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Speaker 2: Will literally wait hours.

513
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 3: The's got me thinking about what I would queue for,

514
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: because I would not cue for that.

515
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because I think, you know, how we

516
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: live in this immediacy culture of like we can press

517
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: a button and get everything. Queuing feels like it's back

518
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: in a way, because like when you go to a

519
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: major shopping center, there will be people queuing for a

520
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: pop up or whatever, and I feel that it's all

521
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: about fomo. It's fake. It's sort of fake demand created right,

522
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: and it's like people are into it. They like the

523
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: whole experience of standing in the queue.

524
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Speaker 3: It's the same reason apparently some shops, especially like new shops,

525
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: are designed to be like intentionally small, so that it

526
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: always looks over crowded.

527
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: It's why the influencer was talking to the person at

528
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: the back. She wanted the queue to be big.

529
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Speaker 2: Oh so you're smart, people would cuy for you, Holly.

530
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Holly. What would you queue for coffee? There's

531
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Speaker 1: pretty much the only thing my friend always says to me.

532
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Who's not a coffee person, you know, when you like

533
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: sometimes where I live, there's only a few coffee shops

534
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: and it might be a busy holiday weekend and you'll

535
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: go and auder your coffee and they'll be like, oh,

536
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: it's going to be fifteen minutes or there's a really

537
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: long wait, and I'll be like fine, But my friend

538
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: alway says, there is nothing else you would queue for

539
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: and wait for all that time, except for coffee, And

540
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's true. But then I was also thinking

541
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: about tickets to stuff. So people always complain about those

542
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: online queues we have now where it's like you log

543
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: in and it's like I want to see Harry Styles

544
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: and it'll say you are fourteen thousand, three hundred and

545
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: whatever in this queue, and how annoying it is, and

546
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: you're there for like three hours. But when I was eleven,

547
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: I stood in an actual physical queue for tickets to

548
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: see Duran DuRane gen X reference four eight hours. We

549
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: got there before. It was late in the morning with

550
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: our sleeping bag on a school day, no whatuld a

551
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: bit of Saturday for sure, and we were there for

552
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: eight hours. And when I got to the front of

553
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: the queue, tickets is sold out, just sold out. So

554
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: when people complained about online queues, I'm a bit like, mate,

555
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: you know how it used to bear. Yeah, people queue

556
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: for in my neighborhood, my old neighborhood in Sydney. They

557
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: would definitely cue for bread, fancy bread from a fancy bakery. Yeah,

558
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: Iggy's on Bronze Road. That's the one people would always

559
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: queue for. That, but I personally will only cue for

560
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: coffee and Harry Styles.

561
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 4: I will queue for anything and everything. A few weeks ago,

562
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: I stood in a queue for two hours for a

563
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 4: chicken wrap.

564
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: I know you don't understand. It was a really important

565
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: chicken red it was so important.

566
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: So Ramadan was a few weeks ago, and they do

567
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: the La Kember markets in Sydney, and.

568
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: You were so excited about going to that. Did you

569
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: spend the whole two hour standing in a queue?

570
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: I kind of left my friends in the q and

571
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: and explored and got more food. Somebody would someone had

572
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 4: to be in the queue. The best best chicken rote

573
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: you've ever tasted. They only do it for the market,

574
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: so you only get it once a year. So worth

575
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: it and I had to have it. It was amazing,

576
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: so worth it. I've queued for twenty five minutes.

577
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: For a Labooboo. I don't know where it is now,

578
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: but I enjoyed the experience moment. It was very important

579
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't even know what we were queuing for.

580
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I just stood out of PopMart and joined the queue,

581
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: and then I asked someone and they were like, oh,

582
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: the new labuobus are coming out, and I was like, okay,

583
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: I wait, and then I get there, and then she

584
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: gets she goes what's the laboob?

585
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: And then at the counter they were like what would

586
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 4: you like? And I was like, why was I in

587
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: that queue? And he was like, oh, for this labum

588
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, that one.

589
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: That's what I want. That's what I want. What these

590
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: people want, that's what I want to They always queue

591
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: for cafes, like really nice breakfast cafes, probably like about

592
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: forty five minutes.

593
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, really way around.

594
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: It's for a good scrambled Will you not going next

595
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: door to the one that doesn't have the queue? No,

596
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: because why wouldn't they have a queue? Clearly not that good.

597
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 3: No.

598
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: I love cues.

599
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: I love the experience of a queue. I love listening

600
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 4: to other people's conversation. You can't get angry at people

601
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: in q's because then you to stand there with them.

602
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah time, Yeah, well yeah exactly. What about theme parks?

603
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: I would kill yeah, ride.

604
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: I was going to say I would queue for two things.

605
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: One theme park, absolutely, because it's like being in a

606
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: Q is just part of the experience.

607
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: And sometimes I think, you.

608
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: Know, how really rich people get that pass where they

609
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: don't have to queue, Like that's lovely, but like I

610
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: want to teach my child that that the queue is

611
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: part of it because you watch the ride a million time.

612
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: A two hour queue for a five minute ride, and

613
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: sometimes they might like gift you with like a steal

614
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: bar or a wall to lean on in the queue. Wow.

615
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: But it's funny because it's like I when I was young,

616
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: I would queue for nightclubs, right, like, obviously this is

617
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and we used to tell ourselves

618
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: as we were freezing our tits off in some really

619
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: stupid outfit and you know, it's minus five, and we

620
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: used to tell ourselves, you never remember the queue, And

621
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: that's true, like you and I later in life, I

622
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: remember the thinking that about labor, Like I was like,

623
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: you don't remember the pain so much as the baby,

624
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: but like you don't remember the queue outside the nightclub, Yes,

625
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: as much as you remember the time you had in

626
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: such Yes.

627
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: And that leads me to my second thing that I

628
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: will always queue for and not ask questions. I will

629
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: queue overseas when the stakes are seeing something I may

630
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: never have the opportunity.

631
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: To see, So the Mona Lisa or there.

632
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will cue.

633
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: So I remember the Mona Lisa. She's quite small, but.

634
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: Like even getting into the loop. Depending on the time

635
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: of year, it might be a bit of a cue.

636
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: But I remember the queue to see Ann Frank's house

637
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: in Amsterdam was huge, and we had had a back

638
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: and forth about do we line up?

639
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: Do we not line up? I was like, you line up,

640
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: You're always line up.

641
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I reckon there would be an any

642
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: gram answer to that of like which numbers would just

643
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: go fuck it, let's go and have a drink, and

644
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: which ones would be like, no, we have come to

645
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: see this, we will see it.

646
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: I always line up.

647
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: The three is definitely gonna cue because they want to

648
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: achieve exactly.

649
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: And then take photos and showrun how much better my

650
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: life is and how your life is really bad.

651
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: And also I might murder you later.

652
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: See I'm wise, so I need to see historic things

653
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 3: because I may be historic.

654
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: That's true, So you might be the Mona Lisa out

655
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Speaker 1: loud is in a moment.

656
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 4: There are very specific things you shouldn't do an hour

657
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: before a date, and you're about to learn from all

658
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 4: of my mistakes. American psychiatrist doctor k was interviewed on

659
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: the Andrew Huberman podcast and so much, and they were

660
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: talking about love and dating and some of the obstacles

661
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: in modern love, and he said, Andrew Kay said, he's

662
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: a one, by.

663
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: The way, when my reformers.

664
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Doctor Kay said, one of the reasons that it's

665
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: harder to fall in love is because the feeling of

666
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: being in love fells our brain dopamine. However, due to

667
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: our dopamine system getting messed up with social media and

668
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: all the time that we spend on technology, it becomes

669
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 4: neurochemically harder to fall in love. So what he does

670
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: is he tells his patience to go for a walk

671
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: an hour before they go on a date and to

672
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: not touch any technology.

673
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Speaker 1: Right, is an hour long enough to do that? To think,

674
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: like an hour to like to sort out the detox

675
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: dopamine stuff.

676
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: Well, as you know, I'm a three, so I don't

677
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: really care about.

678
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: What's happening to you personally.

679
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: What I care about is that you're not messaging me

680
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 4: in an hour before our day to let me know

681
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: that it's still happening. So now I'm freaking out. I'm

682
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 4: already done up because it's an hour for our date

683
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: and they're not messaging me back because Andrew Hubberman said,

684
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 4: don't do.

685
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: That, don't message her. What do you think? Do you

686
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: think it's good advice? I know? No, who are you

687
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: messaging in an hour before? Is the person I'm going

688
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: to say before? I assume that if you've got all

689
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: the way to an hour hour before the date thinking

690
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: the date's going to happen, it's.

691
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: No, it's more like an iss, like I need to

692
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 4: tell them, Hey, I'm just about to leave, see you soon.

693
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: Oh.

694
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: I need them to say that so I'm I know

695
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: we're in it. We're in it.

696
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a last minute cancelation. I think the social

697
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 3: media thing is a good idea not to look at

698
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 3: social media before a date, Like I do this when

699
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: I'm about to do, like go to an event, or

700
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: even if i'm like last Weekend was going on stage

701
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: hollywo was as well, And I don't look at my phone.

702
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: Not for the dopamine thing, but because there have been

703
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: times where I'm about to do something that feels high

704
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 3: stakes and I'm on my phone and I just see

705
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: something that ruins my confidence.

706
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Like it's something totally.

707
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: It can be like a photo of somebody or just

708
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: just something that makes me feel self conscious or inadequate.

709
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: A photo of a three achieving something yes.

710
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and I become murderous. It's not good for them

711
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: the event, So I think it's good for both those reasons.

712
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: Well, that makes sense because your algorithm is always algorithming.

713
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: So I guess if you're going on a date with

714
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: someone and then you see a TikTok of some guy going.

715
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: These red flags are people always.

716
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: Forget and it's describing that guide to a t then

717
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 4: that might put you off. But it reminded me that

718
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 4: as a serial data that I subconsciously have all these

719
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 4: rules in my head of things that you should definitely

720
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: not do an hour before the date.

721
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: So Andrew, get on your podcast sculling several glasses of prosecca.

722
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 4: Yes, one of them is don't do tequila shot an

723
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: hour before the date, because you feel good in the moment,

724
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: but an hour later.

725
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: It also can skew the judgment of whether or not

726
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: this person is attractive and interesting.

727
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: I have, okay, unpopular opinion, but this is from experience.

728
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: An hour before the date, if you see a juicy

729
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 4: pimple in your face, do pop it?

730
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: Do? Yeah? Do not pop it?

731
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: On the way out or do not see it on

732
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 4: the way out. Okay, I need to tell you about

733
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 4: this date. I went on how a juicy pimple on

734
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 4: my face. I was like, no, it's going to ruin everything.

735
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: I'll put some makeup over.

736
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 3: It.

737
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: Went on a date, really vibe with the guy. We

738
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: were having so much fun. I did the flirty thing

739
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: of like tucking my hair behind my ears. As I

740
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: went to tuck my hair, my nail grazed the pimple

741
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: on my cheek and I pushed it up my cheek

742
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: and into my hair, and I just felt this whole

743
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 4: right side on my face completely wet, and I I

744
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 4: could see his eyelight, his eyeline.

745
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Following my hand, and it's staying there. It stayed where

746
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: my cheek was you pop the pimple in a date?

747
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 3: I did?

748
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Did he call? I didn't hear from a game? Yeah.

749
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: That's a hard one though, because I'd often do that,

750
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: like before I'm coming to work or something. I might

751
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: be looking closely in the me and you're like, oh,

752
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: and then you know if you do go in, you're

753
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna have red blotches. So leave it, leave the steaks.

754
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: Leave it.

755
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: Also face related, do not try any new skin care

756
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: an hour before the day.

757
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: You'll get a rushed own dire eyebrows. I've done that before.

758
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: Same died by eyebrow because I tinted my eyebrows because

759
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: my eyebrows are non existent. And this was before an

760
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: event too, because I'm sad like Claire and haven't been

761
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: on a date. Well a should I go on dates

762
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: with Brent? But like, you know, you know, I've got

763
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: trivia Thursday, We've got trivia Thursdays. I'd never pop a

764
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: piple before Trivia Thursdays. But I died my eyebrows and

765
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: then this makeup honest lady just looked at me and

766
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: she was like, what did you do? I was like, well,

767
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: I thought they needed tinting because you can't see them

768
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. She's like, we're going

769
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: to have to try and fix that with foundation now,

770
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: and she had to paint them out.

771
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: Because you know what you didn't do because I don't

772
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: do it either. You didn't put vasoline around them. Did

773
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: you to stop the dye going on your skin because

774
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: you're too.

775
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: Fast and loose. I'm the same. I'm like, oh, just

776
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: be really precise, and then I end up.

777
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 3: With this weird monobrow like tattooed thing because I didn't

778
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: do the vasoline.

779
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: One time an hour before a date, I got a

780
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: lymphatic drainage massage.

781
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: What happened?

782
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: It really makes your bows move, but only like an

783
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: hour after.

784
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's things you shouldn't eat, you shouldn't in

785
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: the hour before you go on, you don't.

786
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 4: You also don't want to hold everything in because then

787
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: you're get a hemorrhoid.

788
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: Which has also happened on a day. You need to

789
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: check with doctor Claire if that's true. But anyway, have

790
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 1: you got any thoughts about things you shouldn't do before.

791
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: You Okay, massive thing for me.

792
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: Don't try and paint your nails because you are too

793
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: impatient and I cannot not use my hands for however

794
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: long the ambiguous amount of time it is that it

795
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: will dry, so they always end up so so, so bad,

796
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: and you'd rather just have bare nails than all the mess.

797
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: You shouldn't have a fight with your mom, best friend X. Shouldn't.

798
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: You shouldn't anything that's going to ruin your mood like that, Like,

799
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: don't get into it if you if you're WhatsApp group

800
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: starts popping off but you've got to be in the zone.

801
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: Just ignore. I agree.

802
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 4: I also think don't tell your friends that you're going

803
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: on a date an hour before, because then it gives

804
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: them an hour to like really vet that person and

805
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: you have to answer the questions. Just tell them as

806
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: you're walking out the door.

807
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Question, do you if you're going on a date with someone?

808
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Do you? Do you tell your friends? And do you

809
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: tell them who it is so that they do do

810
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: that and get in your head about it. Oh, I've

811
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: seen that guy. Oh I don't know about that guy,

812
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. No, I only tell them who it

813
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: is after the date. But I do have them on

814
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: Find my Friends, so they track my location for a

815
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: safety thing. So you would text before we leave, leaving

816
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: now leaving for a day on it. Yeah, and then

817
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: after I'll be like it was this guy, and I'd

818
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I dated that guy in twenty twenty one. Yeah, great,

819
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: Sunny is very small. We will never talk of him again.

820
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: After the break.

821
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: Our best recommendations to get you through the Easter long weekend.

822
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is my

823
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: best recommendation.

824
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: It's Friday, so we want to set you up with

825
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: our best recommendations.

826
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to start with m you have been on

827
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: a hot streak.

828
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: Oh, I'd say, really setting the tone with the recommendations

829
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 3: because you consume content like no one I've ever.

830
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: Met me to consume a lot of content.

831
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: And I do have to issue an apology for out

832
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 4: louders because I was made aware by a lovely out

833
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: louder that there is also a twenty twenty one Bruce

834
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: Willis film called Deadlock. That's deadlock with a K, not

835
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 4: Deadlock with the H. The TV show that I recommend

836
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 4: that I recommended last week. I didn't recommend that film.

837
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: I did ask her if it was good and she

838
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: said no.

839
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: She came in to be like, EM, why did you

840
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: send me to this movie? And you were like, no, no, no,

841
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: that's not what I meant. She said that she spent

842
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes watching it and her partner was like,

843
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: what is going on? And she was like, I trust

844
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: EM's recommendation. Let's take it rough. This doesn't seem like

845
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: a quirky crime comedy in Tasmania. No, but Deadlock with

846
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: the H is a TV show that is very very good.

847
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: Started watching it now, are you enjoying? You absolutely loving it?

848
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: All your records lately? Oh my god, how to get

849
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: to Heaven from Belfast?

850
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: So I've got another TV show to recommend this week

851
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: on Prime Video.

852
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: It's a new one. It's called Young Sherlock. It is

853
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: on Prime Video.

854
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: It stars Hero Finds Tiffin And if that name sounds familiar,

855
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: it's because he's Ray find nephew. Oh so the not

856
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: the character, the start, the starter, the star he plays

857
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 4: Sherlock Holmes and his other uncle, Joseph Finds, plays his dad.

858
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: And if he sounds familiar, he's the commander in Handmaid's Tale.

859
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he was in shakespeare line anyway. So

860
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: it's a big It's a big handsome guy. He's very handy,

861
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: always like a bit of a creepy, creepy dude. But

862
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: I just love to keep it in the family, don't they.

863
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: They're like, it must be a really good job because

864
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: if like I was watching Love Story Meryl Streep's daughters,

865
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, imagine being Meryl Streep's daughter, Who's she's

866
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: the best act of all time. Anyway, I'm digressing, but

867
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: it's so true. So I've only found this after the case.

868
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 4: But it's a big NEPO show, but you can't tell

869
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 4: when you're watching it.

870
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: It's really really good.

871
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: So it is about Sherlock Holmes when he was younger

872
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Speaker 4: at Oxford. All his professors start to die and then

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Speaker 4: he goes on this big like adventure to figure out

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Speaker 4: how they're dying, why they're dying.

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Speaker 1: It's just really really fun.

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Speaker 4: I would say it's like a family show, except that

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Speaker 4: it is a few swear words in there?

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Speaker 3: Do I need to have any other? Because when when

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Speaker 3: I hit this is the thing about shows now, when

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Speaker 3: I hear young Sherlock, I'm like, is there some Sherlock

881
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Speaker 3: universe that I'm not aware of?

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Speaker 2: Where I'm going to be lacking things?

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Speaker 1: You do know who Slock home? I do an investigator.

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Speaker 1: I like him, he is a five, he's a far

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Speaker 1: like you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, young, like, is there other related stuff?

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Speaker 2: When there's storylines?

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Speaker 1: I need to know there are like some few little

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Speaker 1: bits of that, like address the Sherlock universe.

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Speaker 4: But you're not going to be like, what are they

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Speaker 4: talking about? Okay, like you will understand it. So it's

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Speaker 4: him and his best friend James Moriarty when they're older

893
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Speaker 4: become like sworn enemies. But they're best friends when they

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Speaker 4: were younger, and they're just like on this big adventure.

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Speaker 4: And they're both very good looking, which is arguably the

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Speaker 4: most important thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, beautiful, beautiful, Okay, I need to recommend The Gambler

898
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Speaker 3: by J. P. Pomari. I'm probably saying that wrong. I

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Speaker 3: think it's no, it's not Pommyre. It's not Pommere. It

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Speaker 3: is Maury and he rolls the art and it sounds

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Speaker 3: beautiful when he says it, and silly when I say it.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, but you're say it's not Italian.

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Speaker 3: But you'll see now that I've said it, you'll see

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Speaker 3: his name on book cover.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: So he's an award winning author originally from New Zealand

907
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Speaker 3: who now lives in Melbourne. And books of his you

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Speaker 3: might have already read include In The Clearing, The Last

909
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Speaker 3: Guests Tell Me Lies or seventeen years Later. And he's

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Speaker 3: also had two of his books adapted for series on

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Speaker 3: Stan and Disney Plus. But The Gambler just came out

912
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Speaker 3: and I read an early copy in literally two days.

913
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Speaker 3: It is set in America and it follows a private

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Speaker 3: investigator who is looking at quite an unusual case because

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Speaker 3: an otherwise lovely woman in her sixties has opened fire

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Speaker 3: at a political rally, shooting a promising young university student

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Speaker 3: before being shot dead herself. There doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 3: any motive except some rumors that Barb who's the shooter,

919
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Speaker 3: was spending a lot of time on Facebook and getting

920
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Speaker 3: more and more persuaded by conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Lots of things we've been talking about lately, I know.

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Speaker 3: So the thing I loved most about this book that

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Speaker 3: people who have read other books of his will recognize

924
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Speaker 3: is that there's an incredible twist, a master of the twist.

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Speaker 3: But it challenges every possible stereotype you could have about

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Speaker 3: different kinds of people in the US. So you might

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Speaker 3: have a stereotype about the kind of person who carries

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Speaker 3: a gun, or the kind of person who lives in

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Speaker 3: the Midwest, or the kind of person who's highly educated,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is, it turns all of it on its

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Speaker 3: head in a really humanizing way. And he's able to

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Speaker 3: express a character's motivations in.

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Speaker 2: This really believable.

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Speaker 3: Way, even when they're the villain. So if you love

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Speaker 3: Jane Harper, then you'll love the Gambler and you'll race

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Speaker 3: through it.

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Speaker 1: I've got a book as well, So we were heaving

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Speaker 1: on the books this week because I've been waiting for

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Speaker 1: this book to come out to tell you about it,

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Speaker 1: because so many out louders are going to fricking love

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Speaker 1: this book. It's called The Nocturnals and it's by Francis Whiting.

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Speaker 1: And Francis Whiting is a journo from Queensland who is

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful writer. She has a really popular column

944
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Speaker 1: that she's had for one hundred years, so she's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a Brisbane legend. And she writes novels too,

946
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Speaker 1: but not very often like she's and so you're always

947
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Speaker 1: excited when she writes one. I know her name she wrote, well,

948
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Speaker 1: the last one she wrote was called some kind of Beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I think her most popular, her most famous one is

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Speaker 1: called Walking on Trampolines. She's just a beautiful writer. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: This one is called The Nocturnals and it's going to

952
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Speaker 1: be big because it taps into so many things that

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Speaker 1: people love at the minute, nineties, nostalgia. It's like, it's

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Speaker 1: not about murders and it's not about crime, which murders

955
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Speaker 1: and crime are great, don't get me wrong, but it's

956
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Speaker 1: not that kind of a book. Yeah. So it's about

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Speaker 1: this group of school best friends in the nineties. So

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven, this group of sort of they've

959
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: all got like issues at home or whatever, and they

960
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Speaker 1: become this very tight group of sort of slightly eccentric

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Speaker 1: outcasts called the Nocturnals. And then the book picks them

962
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Speaker 1: up fifteen years later, so still in the world pre phones,

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Speaker 1: pre internet, they're going to have a reunion for the

964
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Speaker 1: first time. So like, this is a familiar kind of

965
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Speaker 1: plot in a way, right, we know about the friends

966
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Speaker 1: at school and that picking them up later, and it's

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Speaker 1: just very successful in that way. But the thing about

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Speaker 1: this book is the characters so beautifully crafted. The competing

969
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Speaker 1: timeline of it isn't confusing at all. It's so deft.

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Speaker 1: The chapters are really short. She manages to cram so

971
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Speaker 1: much characterization into it. Like I just felt like I

972
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Speaker 1: could see all these people that I knew exactly what

973
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Speaker 1: they look like, what they smelt like, how they were

974
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Speaker 1: and they were so real. And the thing is is,

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Speaker 1: of course there's like a romantic tension because the ones

976
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Speaker 1: who you think are going to be the couples at

977
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Speaker 1: the beginning. Then somebody's gone off with somebody else's person

978
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Speaker 1: and all this, and one of them has become a

979
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Speaker 1: famous news reader in New York and he's coming back,

980
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: and like, it's just so beautiful, so juicy, but such

981
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Speaker 1: a like gorgeous read. Anyway, I love it. You'll see

982
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Speaker 1: it because it's got these it's got this gorgeous cover

983
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Speaker 1: with these disco balls on it that kind of all

984
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Speaker 1: glitters and it's it's just the most beautiful book. It's

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Speaker 1: called The Nocturnals by Francis Widing, and you will thank

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Speaker 1: me for it. That is all we have time for

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Speaker 1: on Mama Mia out Loud this week. Have a nice

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Speaker 1: long weekend. You might be working, you might be staying

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Speaker 1: home when you didn't think you were going to be

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Speaker 1: because of the bloody petrol crisis. But whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 1: we hope you're having a lovely time. And I hope

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Speaker 1: you're having.

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Speaker 2: Eggs, eggs, eggs. We hope you're ends that you're taking

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Speaker 2: our recommendation.

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Speaker 1: Starts choclud and chocolate. And remember, if you've loved this episode,

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Speaker 1: of course, about why you love the show. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you and we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 4: Bye. Mamma Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of the land

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Speaker 4: on which we have recorded this podcast.