Speaker 1: From Mamma Mia.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix.
Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Free Player.
Speaker 2: And on the show today, we are talking about a
Speaker 2: potential feud between two artists. I feel like feud is
Speaker 2: a very very strong word, but we're going to get
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like I think that is thrown
Speaker 1: around a lot with these two. I don't know how true.
Speaker 2: It is a little dissect And we are also talking
Speaker 2: about a brand new movie trope that has been on
Speaker 2: the rise, especially this year. It's a character that we
Speaker 2: are also going to dissect and see whether or not
Speaker 2: it's good for women.
Speaker 1: Much to discuss.
Speaker 2: There much to discuss. But first I brought something to
Speaker 2: the table. So yesterday Mirandica. You might have heard of her,
Speaker 2: uh huh. She went on Christian Cavalari's podcast Let's Be Honest,
Speaker 2: and she was talking about what she eats in a day.
Speaker 1: Oh, you really have brought something to the table.
Speaker 2: You literally, I brought her food to the table on
Speaker 2: a plate. When I made that intro, I was like,
Speaker 2: this is not going to sound interesting to anyone, So
Speaker 2: why did I find this so interesting? So I watched
Speaker 2: the full video and then when it ended, I couldn't
Speaker 2: stop thinking about it because the day and our plate
Speaker 2: is so wild to me. I need to discuss it.
Speaker 2: I was going to play the video, but I decided
Speaker 2: to do a dramatic reading.
Speaker 1: Oh what a traite because I've seen the video and
Speaker 1: like that is out there, you can all see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what a treat to get a dramatic reading. But
Speaker 1: I've got a.
Speaker 2: Better version for you right here. Okay. It starts off
Speaker 2: and like, I love the way they form this social
Speaker 2: because it is a social clip from the Bigger Podcast
Speaker 2: interview that's on Kristen's Instagram, and they really get us
Speaker 2: in with the hook. It starts with Miranda going I
Speaker 2: don't do eggs, and then Kristin's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and Miranda's like, I do do protein. Forgetting that eggs
Speaker 2: are in protein, she says I eat meat like venison
Speaker 2: by sin and lamb thoughts on those meat, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't Okay, can we get those meats in Australia?
Speaker 1: Definitely venison, Like I've seen it on menus, I've been
Speaker 1: served it at events and.
Speaker 2: Like come around a curve you well, Yeah, when I
Speaker 2: used to have to go to a lot of like foody.
Speaker 1: Events back in my magazine days, and they would assume
Speaker 1: then that you'd be adventurous with food, which I'm not.
Speaker 2: So have you tried it? No?
Speaker 1: No, Lamb love lamb?
Speaker 2: Yeah, love lamb.
Speaker 1: And that's so Aussie of her. To wrap the lamb bison,
Speaker 1: I had to remind myself.
Speaker 2: What I kind of saw your computer morning and.
Speaker 1: What is adas? Because I was like, I mean, like
Speaker 1: straight up principle, like no, I'm not eating by some
Speaker 1: But then I was like, why what is it I
Speaker 1: should know? And I was like and it was like
Speaker 1: from the bovine category, but wild ox apparently, Like no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't eat those thass And it gave me the creeps,
Speaker 1: like what is she eating?
Speaker 2: Well, she said that she doesn't do any mass produced meat,
Speaker 2: so I don't think she is at.
Speaker 1: The moment like that. You know, she obviously doesn't want
Speaker 1: the like the nasties.
Speaker 2: Meats fair parasite, especially if you can afford it, like
Speaker 2: you know, to eat that way it's imported, Well, she'd
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 1: There's no good lamb in America.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: Whenever you go to a restaurant America and you order
Speaker 1: lamb off the menu. It always says, like Australian and
Speaker 1: then they jack the price up.
Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting, Okay, sorry.
Speaker 1: Can she's getting get imported. I don't know where the
Speaker 1: bisons come from she has by far. Yeah, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there's money and that ends up.
Speaker 2: Being mass produced.
Speaker 1: True, that's sustainable. That's a that's a discussion for a
Speaker 1: different day. Okay. One thing I will say is when
Speaker 1: she said I don't eat eggs and then was like,
Speaker 1: I do eat protein. My first reading it, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to be like, to be fair to Miranda, my
Speaker 1: first reading was like, girl, eggs are protein. But I
Speaker 1: think on reflection, what she was saying was like I
Speaker 1: don't need eggs. But then she's like, oh but wait,
Speaker 1: like I do eat I do eat protein.
Speaker 2: That's a generous read on it.
Speaker 1: I like, maybe it is. It might be a bit generous,
Speaker 1: but I think you, like, she's always been very interested
Speaker 1: in health, so we.
Speaker 2: All know that we need to be eating more protein.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get flogged.
Speaker 2: Everything's protein.
Speaker 1: I've banned it. I'm going to like make that a
Speaker 1: bandword on my social media because it's just it drives
Speaker 1: me nuts.
Speaker 2: I was sorry, this is so unrelated, but I was
Speaker 2: at the store the other day because I really wanted
Speaker 2: a chocolate moose. All protein mooses. I don't want protein
Speaker 2: in my moose. I just want chocolate.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I find the word like on packaging
Speaker 1: when it says like added protein, I find it really
Speaker 1: off putting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gross. Yeah, it sounds like it's something that
Speaker 2: shouldn't be there.
Speaker 1: I think too. But anyway, I do think Miranda's always
Speaker 1: been very health conscious and very into like wellness and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Remember her whole nony Juice saga? Yes,
Speaker 1: who could forget? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I still do you think she's still on that?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it was kind of her brand for a while. Well,
Speaker 2: she didn't mention nony Juice in this No, she didn't.
Speaker 2: Should I continue? Yeah, Pa, Kristin asked a very important questions.
Speaker 2: She says, so you're not doing sushi, and Miranda says, oh, never,
Speaker 2: parasites and chrius. It's like, yeah, parasites, I know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. And then Miranda goes, I do like Cavia,
Speaker 2: and Kristen goes me too, I like Cavia. And then
Speaker 2: Miranda says, but that's fine because there's no parasites in Cavia.
Speaker 2: So we're good on Cavia, We're good on Cavea. So
Speaker 2: she want eat chicken, eggs, ch leatfish ecks, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: which she likes. And she says there's no parasites in that,
Speaker 2: and I feel like we should believe her. She says, personally,
Speaker 2: I don't do dairy or meat, and then Kristin, oh wait,
Speaker 2: I personally, I don't do dairy or wheat.
Speaker 1: Oh wheat?
Speaker 2: Sorry, are we established? And then Kristen says, but will
Speaker 2: you eat sour dough? And then Miranda's like, no, I
Speaker 2: won't do sour dough, and christ It's like, do you
Speaker 2: do rice? Do you do any carbs? And the Miranda says,
Speaker 2: I eat a lot of squash and carrots and parsnips,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, are those carbs? I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, squash and wait, squashed carrot, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: there are there is a carb content. Okay, you know
Speaker 2: the vegetables, because potatoes are vegetab. I don't think she
Speaker 2: would do potatoes.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't think she touched a potato since
Speaker 1: like year six.
Speaker 2: And then she says, I don't eat kale, which is
Speaker 2: what I thought all the Hollywood ela eat is like
Speaker 2: kale salad. Does she explain why she doesn't eat kale? Well, no,
Speaker 2: I assused, and shock. I assumed it's also about the parasites.
Speaker 2: I think Kristen was shocked, but she didn't want to
Speaker 2: come across a shop. That's where she asked, do you
Speaker 2: eat spinach? And Miranda was like mm mmmm. And then
Speaker 2: Kristin's like, oh, you're super healthy, and Miranda's like mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And that's how it ends. So a little day on
Speaker 2: the plate. I feel like we should try this diet.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, where are you going to get bison from?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll have to call her people and
Speaker 2: go to your like, go to your local butcher and.
Speaker 1: Say I have I'm making Speti bolognas Germany bison mints.
Speaker 2: Yeah I can't. I can't with them eating the bison
Speaker 2: but not eating spinach or kale.
Speaker 1: It sounds like super restrictive as well, because like I
Speaker 1: could if I had to do that down a plate, right,
Speaker 1: I'd have to eliminate the stuff I would refuse to eat,
Speaker 1: so then I'd be left with lamb and the vegetables.
Speaker 1: She mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if I.
Speaker 1: Hate that every day forever.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is such a weird thing to
Speaker 2: put out there.
Speaker 1: I do too.
Speaker 2: I think it's feels it feels very elitist, like I
Speaker 2: thought when I was watching it it was satire and.
Speaker 1: Not with Miranda.
Speaker 2: I think she's been very serious, but you have very
Speaker 2: serious little looks into like billionaire's life, like you're just
Speaker 2: living in like a totally different universe to the rest
Speaker 2: of the house.
Speaker 1: Do you know what my read on it ultimately was
Speaker 1: Kristin love sushi.
Speaker 2: Krystal love sushi and sour dough and.
Speaker 1: Like, girl, eat your sushi. Eat.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she had like a loaf of soado
Speaker 2: to gift her and then she's like, oh god.
Speaker 1: That means if Miranda was gifted Taylor sourdo she wouldn't
Speaker 1: eat it.
Speaker 2: Surely she would.
Speaker 1: You'd have to, You have to, you gotta eat. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you mentioned a potential like music feud. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of music feuds, supposedly, and the good thing
Speaker 1: about a music feud is you get lyrics that can
Speaker 1: swipe back and forth. You know, we had like Olivia
Speaker 1: Rodrigo and Sabrina carp and you know, then there was
Speaker 1: Like one of my favorites was when Camilla Bell dated
Speaker 1: Joe Jonas and Taylor got upset about it and wrote
Speaker 1: better than Revenge.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then she had to change the lips
Speaker 2: because they were too me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the fans like the ot.
Speaker 2: I love the Oden.
Speaker 1: It works much better.
Speaker 2: This is why rap is actually my favorite genre of music. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because like you just get the best music over disc
Speaker 2: tracks like Kendrick Lemian Drake, Oh my god, the best
Speaker 2: music ever.
Speaker 1: So there's a new one brewing and The Guardian who
Speaker 1: got an early listen of Febe Bridges. Now, are you
Speaker 1: familiar with Phoebe Bridges.
Speaker 2: I love Phoebe Bridges. I've seen her live at a
Speaker 2: music festival and she was very very talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredibly talented. So she's part of boy Genius but
Speaker 1: also a successful solo artist, full time Grammy winner by
Speaker 1: the way, guys, so like, yeah, incredible artist. So she
Speaker 1: has her new album coming out called Last Weekend that
Speaker 1: drops on August fourteen. But Guardian and like other music
Speaker 1: journalists around the world, get an early listen.
Speaker 2: It's like kind of like how we get screen as
Speaker 2: for movies.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and I often get like I do a lot
Speaker 1: of music writing, so I forget early haven't this one yet,
Speaker 1: but now I'm like chomping at the bit to hear it.
Speaker 1: So Guardian did a review on it, gave it a
Speaker 1: great review, and they printed some lyrics that seemingly take
Speaker 1: a swipe at Gracie Abrams.
Speaker 2: Crazy Abram, who I also love yeah, and also saw
Speaker 2: Life also love also saw Live exactly, So do you
Speaker 2: know the connection there? I do, And I am obsessed
Speaker 2: with Paul Mescal. We talk about him in great length
Speaker 2: on this podcast, but I'm not like fully across the
Speaker 2: intricacies of his relationships because he's always been quite private.
Speaker 2: But I knew around the normal people time he was
Speaker 2: dating Phoebe Bridges, Yeah, and then that photo at the
Speaker 2: met Gala went viral where he's posing with her, but
Speaker 2: like a zoomed out version of the photo shows he's staring
Speaker 2: at Daisy Edgar Jones. They were engaged, and I think
Speaker 2: they broke up, and then he started dating Grazy Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Daisy's always just in the realm of the.
Speaker 1: Daisy's just there as friends.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: I think that the like the true love of his
Speaker 1: life or just like the fans really wanted or maybe
Speaker 1: he really wanted a date. Look, that's that's neither here
Speaker 1: nor there.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's only obsessed with her.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to read you these lyrics, okkay. So
Speaker 1: this is on the song called the Governor's Waltz, and
Speaker 1: on the track, Phoebe sings, she can pretend to be
Speaker 1: me since she took my place in my bed on
Speaker 1: that stage.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So this is, like I would say, pretty pointedly for
Speaker 1: people who understand all the law behind this about Gracie.
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's like much room for error
Speaker 1: here that it could be about someone else.
Speaker 2: Until she took my place on that bed on that stage.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go through a bit of a
Speaker 1: timeline here for you. Yeah, as you know, Paul and
Speaker 1: Phoebe were together quite a long time, engaged all that business.
Speaker 1: They broke up apparently in December twenty twenty two, but
Speaker 1: there was an overlap there with like Phoebe's now with
Speaker 1: Bo Burnham has been apparently since December twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Whether or not one ended before the other one started,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And also, as we know, with a
Speaker 1: lot of celebrity relationships, they can often break up before
Speaker 1: we find out about.
Speaker 2: It wasn't weren't they outed by? It was a Keith Urban.
Speaker 1: So this is amazing. Yes, so there was just no
Speaker 1: no at Taylor's. Everything always comes back to Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: and it does in this case too. I'll explain why.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Yes, Keith Urban filmed in the Era's tent at the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia show. He was there with Nicole.
Speaker 2: It's like the Celebrity Test, the celebrity t people that
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift invites to come watch her exactly.
Speaker 1: So Nicole and Keith longtime friends of Taylor's. Taylor has
Speaker 1: had Keith on a song. They are partying, having the
Speaker 1: night of their lives and Eras He's like, whoo host
Speaker 1: this story being like best time ever, thank you for
Speaker 1: having as Taylor having the best time. And of course
Speaker 1: in the back fans all noticed straightaway Phoebe and Bo
Speaker 1: Burnham snogging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it.
Speaker 1: Just went everywhere. Keith has been asked about it, I
Speaker 1: think on Entertainment Tonight and was like, yikes, Like sorry, sorry, Phoebe,
Speaker 1: I did expose you. I didn't realize sos so like
Speaker 1: that's the thing. What happened in the Eras tent is
Speaker 1: meant to stay in the eras tent, but it didn't
Speaker 1: that night.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it got the key grand shots with Travis exactly.
Speaker 1: So whether or not there was crossover, who knows. Right.
Speaker 1: What there was definitely no crossover with was Gracie and Paul. Right,
Speaker 1: So Gracie and Paul were first seen together in June
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's quiel.
Speaker 1: After quite a bit later they were out having dinner
Speaker 1: in London and that sparked dating rumors. There's probably every
Speaker 1: chance again, everything comes back to Taylor that Gracie met
Speaker 1: Paul through Taylor. Yes, because Gracie is a good friend
Speaker 1: of Taylor's. Phoebe is a good friend of Taylor's.
Speaker 2: And they both were like supporting acts for her ears.
Speaker 1: So both were supporting acts on her Ears tour and
Speaker 1: both have also featured on songs with Taylor as well.
Speaker 1: And they are all still friends with Taylor and were
Speaker 1: all at her wedding. Yeah, so they're like, this is
Speaker 1: all still happening. Now. There's this weird thing about bed sheets, Yes,
Speaker 1: have you like? The bed sheets thing is super weird
Speaker 1: And I wasn't leaving like i'd kind of vaguely seen
Speaker 1: something about it and was like, who cares about that?
Speaker 1: But I got into it today.
Speaker 2: Obviously the only thing that I can think about the
Speaker 2: bed on the stage. And I might be reading into this,
Speaker 2: but because I went to Gracie Abram's concert in Sydney,
Speaker 2: there's a whole part of her performance. I think it's
Speaker 2: like halfway through a concert where the set design changes
Speaker 2: and she's back in her bedroom and she brings out
Speaker 2: a bed on stage and she's like on this little
Speaker 2: piano in front of her bed, and it's set up
Speaker 2: in like her old bedroom because she wants to take
Speaker 2: the audience back to COVID days where she was performing
Speaker 2: in her bedroom on her bed on zoom calls and
Speaker 2: she was just like singing to fans on zoom calls,
Speaker 2: and she like has that part of her performance where
Speaker 2: she's literally on a bed on a stage.
Speaker 1: So Phoebe had these bed sheets that featured on her
Speaker 1: Instagram a lot that were like glow in the dark,
Speaker 1: like space themed bed sheets. Yeah, then Gracie also had
Speaker 1: them and they were the same exact same, like niche
Speaker 1: glow in the Dark bed sheets.
Speaker 2: That wait, did Paul take the bed sheets in the
Speaker 2: relationship You.
Speaker 1: Know because it was all before, like it was all
Speaker 1: in COVID years. But Gracie has always like maintained right
Speaker 1: from the start pre Paul, before she probably even ever
Speaker 1: met him, that she loved Phoebe Bridges was a huge fan.
Speaker 1: So whether she saw the bed sheets on Phoebe's Instagram,
Speaker 1: was like, I need these bed sheets. They they look cool,
Speaker 1: like they are glowing the dark space theme. Sure, what's
Speaker 1: not to love, especially when you're all trapped at home.
Speaker 1: So she got the bed sheets as well and then
Speaker 1: like posted herself on her Instagram wrapped in the bed sheets,
Speaker 1: and then there was like the whole bed thing on
Speaker 1: the stage. So this line, all of a sudden sounds
Speaker 1: pretty pointed because it was, as I said before, she
Speaker 1: can pretend to be me since she took my place
Speaker 1: in my bed on that stage. Yeah, so there's like
Speaker 1: the bed sheets, there's the X, and we also know
Speaker 1: we're on the stage.
Speaker 2: Gracie's new album, it was quite highly criticized because of
Speaker 2: the whole can great artists write great songs after they're
Speaker 2: in a happy relationship? And there were I know one
Speaker 2: song for you, I'm not sure there was more that
Speaker 2: she co wrote with Paul Mescal. Yeah, so he's also
Speaker 2: been like really involved in her like music process, which
Speaker 2: I think adds on to like the harshness of those
Speaker 2: harsh critiques of being like, I don't like a lot
Speaker 2: of people said that it wasn't a good album, it
Speaker 2: wasn't a normal Gracie Abrams album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did actually feel like I don't love it
Speaker 1: as much as her earlier album. I also I love
Speaker 1: a heartbreak album. Yeah, I too, absolutely love it. And
Speaker 1: so Phoebe's like obviously mind through this kind of content
Speaker 1: for this new album, And I think what's really interesting
Speaker 1: here is that it's going to spark like so much
Speaker 1: conversation about whether or not there is a feud between
Speaker 1: these two. My take on that is like probably not right,
Speaker 1: but that it would obviously have been something that was
Speaker 1: interesting to Phoebe to happen. She moved on before he did,
Speaker 1: and she moved on with Bo long before Paul and
Speaker 1: Gracie got together. Yeah, so it's not like Gracie stole
Speaker 1: her guy, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think like sometimes when you're like trying to
Speaker 1: write these songs and you're sitting there in the writer's
Speaker 1: room and you're thinking about like you know, all the
Speaker 1: different kind of things in your past that you're pulling
Speaker 1: stuff from that this is just something that's kind of
Speaker 1: like come to her. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like one of her sliding door moments. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that is always the best place
Speaker 2: to write from from an artist. So I think exactly
Speaker 2: what you said. I don't think it's a feud, but
Speaker 2: I also think Phoebe Bridges knows how to write a
Speaker 2: good song and knows what will get her good reviews.
Speaker 1: And also what people will talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true, you know.
Speaker 1: And you wonder how much has done because it does
Speaker 1: generate conversation as well. And of course it's like the
Speaker 1: first thing Guardian pulled out when they were writing about
Speaker 1: this album.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I wonder if Paul's right now in
Speaker 2: his group chat with Joe Alwin in the Tortured Man's
Speaker 2: group chat, going oh my god, guys, it's happening again.
Speaker 1: It's happening again. Well, that Tortured Man's group chat is him,
Speaker 1: and Andrew Scott Joe. But then paulan Andrew were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we never write in it. I actually think that Joe's
Speaker 1: left out in the cold in that chat.
Speaker 2: Joe's just writing by himself in that chat and no
Speaker 2: one's replying to him.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I most want to know? Does
Speaker 1: Gracie still have the bed sheets? And has Paul experienced
Speaker 1: both sets of shirt? Yeah? Because that would be so weird.
Speaker 1: That's such a nache thing.
Speaker 2: I feel like the minute she would have started dating Paul,
Speaker 2: she would have been like, this is too weird and
Speaker 2: it's too much. It's already in my show, Like I've
Speaker 2: already made a big thing about beds. I can't be
Speaker 2: doing this.
Speaker 1: You know, Gracie back in the day actually opened for
Speaker 1: Phoebe as well. Really, so they've like kind of had
Speaker 1: this Like.
Speaker 2: Is that how she would have met Paul?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Oh my god, did we just uncover something?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: No, Maybe I just remember those first paparazzi shots of
Speaker 2: Paul and Gracie at dinner and he's like holding her
Speaker 2: face and he's like they're just like having this really
Speaker 2: intense conversation. And then when that big profile Invanity Fair
Speaker 2: came out about him, you can tell he's just such
Speaker 2: an emotionally intense person that like I can only see
Speaker 2: him dating artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like quite torture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that like to have long, in depth conversations actually
Speaker 2: sounds a bit exhausting. Oh my god, so exhausting. But
Speaker 2: I'm glad they're not feuding. I'm glad they're just both.
Speaker 1: I don't think they are really good writers.
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. I'm excited to hear the whole album.
Speaker 1: When we hear the whole album, which again August fourteen,
Speaker 1: Lost Weekend, we will be able to uncover more and
Speaker 1: see if there's anything else in there.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be studying it.
Speaker 1: I love this and Paul, for that matter, Paul.
Speaker 2: Cosmopolitan did a piece that was titled the Useless Movie
Speaker 2: Boyfriend Era is upon us. So it's a realization that
Speaker 2: this year we've had so many films come out with
Speaker 2: the male character that is kind of just there and
Speaker 2: is essentially useless. So there's kind of two iterations of this, right,
Speaker 2: there's the character that really doesn't provide anything for the
Speaker 2: storyline at all, so he's like, the whole point of
Speaker 2: his purpose is quite useless. He was just there.
Speaker 1: He's just like a prop man.
Speaker 2: Exactly. And then there's this male trope where he is
Speaker 2: kind of valuable to the storyline. And the whole overarching
Speaker 2: theme of the movie. But his character, in its full
Speaker 2: essence is just a useless boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So some of the examples this article listed is there
Speaker 2: were Worst Proud of Too, Obsession and the drama. So
Speaker 2: I also wanted to add one to this, which they
Speaker 2: didn't really mention because I think it came out before
Speaker 2: the movie came out. But have you watched the Invite? Yes,
Speaker 2: Edward Norton's character, I feel like he would be labeled
Speaker 2: as a useless boyfriend. So the article asked the question,
Speaker 2: has the useless movie boyfriend replaced the wet blanket wife?
Speaker 1: Wear blanket? Okay, useless movie boyfriend already sounds sexier than
Speaker 1: wet blanket wife. I don't like that phrase.
Speaker 2: We blanket is a bad It is bad.
Speaker 1: Why can't it be wet blanket boyfriend?
Speaker 2: Oh, it should be wet blanket boy don't you think? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I also feel like with the wet blanket wife.
Speaker 2: Whenever I think of the wet blanket wife trope.
Speaker 1: Who do you think of with that? Like, who's a
Speaker 1: good example, because I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 2: Some I think of, like action movies that have a
Speaker 2: leading man and then you just like meet their girlfriend
Speaker 2: or meet their wife, or is like I have to
Speaker 2: get back to the like wife and kids, and you
Speaker 2: like like him even more because he's a family man
Speaker 2: and he has some other purpose rather than like killing
Speaker 2: the villain. Right, So it's like I don't really see
Speaker 2: them as like a person or a character, but they're
Speaker 2: just there, yeah, in the storyline. So I do find
Speaker 2: the wet blanket wife, even though I hate that term
Speaker 2: and it's a trope that I don't think should exist.
Speaker 2: I feel like they do provide new ones to the
Speaker 2: male character, whereas the useless movie boyfriend I feel like
Speaker 2: is absolutely not needed. And this article argues whether it's
Speaker 2: good that we have the useless boyfriend because it is
Speaker 2: replacing the wet blanket But I also think we just
Speaker 2: don't need him at all.
Speaker 1: You don't think we need the useless way at all.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like with the examples I gave, like
Speaker 2: I love Patrick Brammle, we all do here at Malai,
Speaker 2: We're obsessed with him. His character was not needed the
Speaker 2: devil as prior.
Speaker 1: To to I agree, and I have a couple of things
Speaker 1: to say about that. Okay, Firstly, like we know that
Speaker 1: scenes were cut. We saw scenes that were filmed in
Speaker 1: those pop shots that were great, and we had him
Speaker 1: on no filter at the time when the movie came out,
Speaker 1: and Kate did pointedly say to him, like where was
Speaker 1: the sex? Patrick, like why was there no romance? Like
Speaker 1: you like you didn't even get to have that side
Speaker 1: of the relationship, And he said, all those scenes were cut.
Speaker 1: They did film it, and then I guess for time
Speaker 1: or whatever gone.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what we were left with was like absolutely
Speaker 2: such a useless boyfriend. But I also felt like the
Speaker 2: movie was totally unnecessary. So sure, sure, it's like they
Speaker 2: were trying to fit so many like little good things
Speaker 2: about Andy's character her into one and they should have
Speaker 2: just leaned really into the career or leaned really into
Speaker 2: the lifestyle, and they tried to like chop and do
Speaker 2: both of them they Frank and Stein exactly. They also
Speaker 2: gave the example of a lot of romance films that
Speaker 2: have come out this year, like You, Me and Tuscany
Speaker 2: and the people would meet on vacations, And this is
Speaker 2: a trope that has always existed, but I feel like
Speaker 2: has come more into the light this year because we've
Speaker 2: had a lot of leading female movies this year, and
Speaker 2: there's the idea where to find your love in these
Speaker 2: romantic comedies is that they the woman always has to
Speaker 2: already have an existing boyfriend. That is kind of a
Speaker 2: wet blanket. So it's kind of like, why can't she
Speaker 2: just be single? Like why does she always need to
Speaker 2: realize that she's in such a bad relationship to find
Speaker 2: a better relationship? And I was thinking about that, and
Speaker 2: it's because we still aren't in a place where we
Speaker 2: can have single female characters without that being the main
Speaker 2: topic of conversation. We're told it always leaves audiences satisfied
Speaker 2: when that isn't explained, like why that woman is single?
Speaker 2: Where's in the other direction, we have a Brad Pitt
Speaker 2: or a Matt Damon or a George Clooney, and we
Speaker 2: don't care whether they're in a relationship or not. Like
Speaker 2: their characters can just exist for the purpose of the storyline.
Speaker 2: We don't need to know their backstory. Yes, so I
Speaker 2: feel like the useless movie boyfriend is there because we
Speaker 2: need an explanation for why these women are either single
Speaker 2: or in a relationship.
Speaker 1: What about like in the situation where like with Patrick
Speaker 1: brammle like she was single. Yeah, and then he comes
Speaker 1: in and he is just the useless movie boyfriend. So
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he's kind of the Ken, right,
Speaker 1: He's just can't He's just ken. And that's what we
Speaker 1: got from Barbie was the idea of like, these guys
Speaker 1: are kind of useless, the girls don't need them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think, Okay, when I read this article on Cosmo,
Speaker 1: I was like, is this a new thing? Because I
Speaker 1: thought I'm going to look back and see some of
Speaker 1: my favorite movies from the past, Yes, and favorite rom
Speaker 1: coms from back in the day.
Speaker 2: Did you find some more useless boyfriends? Well?
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, you know who was really useless?
Speaker 1: William Thacker in notting Hill.
Speaker 2: He was really useful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wasn't he so so useless? Lovely, but just like
Speaker 1: like you didn't need, Like he didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need He ran that travel bookshop that
Speaker 2: sold no books.
Speaker 1: He lived with his no hoper flat mate who was hilarious,
Speaker 1: and then he got to date the world's biggest, biggest
Speaker 1: movie star and have her fall in love with him
Speaker 1: and it was just because he was nice, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And she'd had a dickhead boyfriend before that with Alec Baldwin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait, Hugh Grant was kind
Speaker 1: of useless in Four Weddings and a Funeral too.
Speaker 2: Hugh Grant not coming across that, because all he ever.
Speaker 1: Did was just like be late to weddings. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, is is Hugh Grant the og
Speaker 1: useless boyfriend?
Speaker 2: Grant is the og? Oh my god, Brigard Jones Diaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a bit of a villain in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So like they twit that and like, I guess a
Speaker 1: little bit two weeks notice they kind of gave him
Speaker 1: a little bit more spark that you're writing was uselesses
Speaker 1: Mo than too.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was the one who found it first, and
Speaker 2: now we've all found out his secret. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: he's like, leave me alone. I love playing the original
Speaker 2: even in Love Actually his prime Mini, he is so
Speaker 2: useless and he's pretty damn useless. Yeah, I mean, great
Speaker 2: dance moves.
Speaker 1: Great dance moves, and he does make that one great
Speaker 1: speech when he stands up to Billy Bob Thornton, who's
Speaker 1: the US President, But for the rest of the movie,
Speaker 1: he's pretty damn useless.
Speaker 2: Oh no, Hugh, Oh my God, I love that you
Speaker 2: in front of this.
Speaker 1: Might be the original prototype of the useless boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm so sorry, Hugh Grant, but this trope,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Yes, they can be funny to just have
Speaker 2: there in the background, but I feel like they shouldn't
Speaker 2: be used as a reason to like make the perfect
Speaker 2: leading woman.
Speaker 1: She doesn't need.
Speaker 2: I agree, boyfriend.
Speaker 1: I also don't want to see that in my rom
Speaker 1: coms or in any kind of film anyway.
Speaker 2: Could have been the first one that did it. She
Speaker 2: could have just stayed single and everyone would have been like,
Speaker 2: we don't need No one's going to be like, but
Speaker 2: is she happy because she doesn't have.
Speaker 1: A boy No one's going to be like that. I
Speaker 1: feel like for me as well, like seeing a useless boyfriend,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've I've lived that.
Speaker 2: We all know first hand experience of what when I
Speaker 2: watch a.
Speaker 1: Rom call or I go to the cinema and I
Speaker 1: want to escape. But I don't want to see another
Speaker 1: useless boyfriend.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be on a screen. We don't
Speaker 2: need to be doing that.
Speaker 1: I want to dream, I want to escape.
Speaker 2: I won't believe there's something give us a single woman.
Speaker 1: Or give us a useful boyfriend, give us a capable boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Someone can do taxes, maybe, oh the dream, I haven't
Speaker 1: done mine for two years.
Speaker 2: That's all we want. Play Seople creatures.
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