WEBVTT - The "Useless Boyfriend" Trope Is Taking Over Hollywood & Did Phoebe Bridgers Write A Gracie Abrams Diss Track? 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:01.440 From Mamma Mia. 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:04.640 Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:06.920 I'm m Vernon and I'm Free Player. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.639 And on the show today, we are talking about a 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:14.440 potential feud between two artists. I feel like feud is 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.520 a very very strong word, but we're going to get 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:17.040 into it. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.080 I don't think it's like I think that is thrown 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.479 around a lot with these two. I don't know how true. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.480 It is a little dissect And we are also talking 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.120 about a brand new movie trope that has been on 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.199 the rise, especially this year. It's a character that we 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.919 are also going to dissect and see whether or not 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:36.400 it's good for women. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:37.559 Much to discuss. 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:41.080 There much to discuss. But first I brought something to 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.839 the table. So yesterday Mirandica. You might have heard of her, 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.600 uh huh. She went on Christian Cavalari's podcast Let's Be Honest, 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.560 and she was talking about what she eats in a day. 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.520 Oh, you really have brought something to the table. 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:58.800 You literally, I brought her food to the table on 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.800 a plate. When I made that intro, I was like, 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.440 this is not going to sound interesting to anyone, So 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.880 why did I find this so interesting? So I watched 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.880 the full video and then when it ended, I couldn't 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.479 stop thinking about it because the day and our plate 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.520 is so wild to me. I need to discuss it. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.560 I was going to play the video, but I decided 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:21.800 to do a dramatic reading. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.960 Oh what a traite because I've seen the video and 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.080 like that is out there, you can all see it. Yeah, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.080 but what a treat to get a dramatic reading. But 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:30.440 I've got a. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.360 Better version for you right here. Okay. It starts off 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.240 and like, I love the way they form this social 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.080 because it is a social clip from the Bigger Podcast 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:43.360 interview that's on Kristen's Instagram, and they really get us 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.840 in with the hook. It starts with Miranda going I 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.840 don't do eggs, and then Kristin's like, oh my god, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:54.600 and Miranda's like, I do do protein. Forgetting that eggs 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.480 are in protein, she says I eat meat like venison 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:06.240 by sin and lamb thoughts on those meat, Yeah, I 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.840 don't Okay, can we get those meats in Australia? 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.200 Definitely venison, Like I've seen it on menus, I've been 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.120 served it at events and. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.560 Like come around a curve you well, Yeah, when I 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.519 used to have to go to a lot of like foody. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.080 Events back in my magazine days, and they would assume 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.600 then that you'd be adventurous with food, which I'm not. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.320 So have you tried it? No? 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.359 No, Lamb love lamb? 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:32.119 Yeah, love lamb. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.480 And that's so Aussie of her. To wrap the lamb bison, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.480 I had to remind myself. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.280 What I kind of saw your computer morning and. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.560 What is adas? Because I was like, I mean, like 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.000 straight up principle, like no, I'm not eating by some 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:50.639 But then I was like, why what is it I 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.280 should know? And I was like and it was like 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:57.800 from the bovine category, but wild ox apparently, Like no, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:03.160 I wouldn't eat those thass And it gave me the creeps, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.120 like what is she eating? 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.639 Well, she said that she doesn't do any mass produced meat, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:10.079 so I don't think she is at. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.560 The moment like that. You know, she obviously doesn't want 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.400 the like the nasties. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.880 Meats fair parasite, especially if you can afford it, like 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.240 you know, to eat that way it's imported, Well, she'd 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:23.560 have to. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.320 There's no good lamb in America. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.280 Interesting, Yeah, Okay. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.560 Whenever you go to a restaurant America and you order 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.320 lamb off the menu. It always says, like Australian and 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:33.480 then they jack the price up. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.680 Wow. Interesting, Okay, sorry. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.200 Can she's getting get imported. I don't know where the 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.720 bisons come from she has by far. Yeah, maybe maybe 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.160 there's money and that ends up. 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:45.040 Being mass produced. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:51.280 True, that's sustainable. That's a that's a discussion for a 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.560 different day. Okay. One thing I will say is when 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.800 she said I don't eat eggs and then was like, 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.680 I do eat protein. My first reading it, and I'm 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.200 going to be like, to be fair to Miranda, my 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.000 first reading was like, girl, eggs are protein. But I 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.080 think on reflection, what she was saying was like I 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:11.760 don't need eggs. But then she's like, oh but wait, 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.920 like I do eat I do eat protein. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.360 That's a generous read on it. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.320 I like, maybe it is. It might be a bit generous, 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.200 but I think you, like, she's always been very interested 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.040 in health, so we. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.159 All know that we need to be eating more protein. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.279 Yeah, we get flogged. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:28.880 Everything's protein. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.680 I've banned it. I'm going to like make that a 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.440 bandword on my social media because it's just it drives 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:34.000 me nuts. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:38.640 I was sorry, this is so unrelated, but I was 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.560 at the store the other day because I really wanted 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:44.160 a chocolate moose. All protein mooses. I don't want protein 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:45.320 in my moose. I just want chocolate. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.400 That's the thing. I find the word like on packaging 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.760 when it says like added protein, I find it really 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:51.279 off putting. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.400 Yeah, it's gross. Yeah, it sounds like it's something that 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:54.120 shouldn't be there. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.240 I think too. But anyway, I do think Miranda's always 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.880 been very health conscious and very into like wellness and 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.159 that kind of thing. Remember her whole nony Juice saga? Yes, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:05.839 who could forget? Yeah? 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.120 I still do you think she's still on that? 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:07.720 Well, I don't know. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.800 I mean it was kind of her brand for a while. Well, 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.080 she didn't mention nony Juice in this No, she didn't. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.760 Should I continue? Yeah, Pa, Kristin asked a very important questions. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:22.200 She says, so you're not doing sushi, and Miranda says, oh, never, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.400 parasites and chrius. It's like, yeah, parasites, I know, I 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:31.039 don't know. And then Miranda goes, I do like Cavia, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.240 and Kristen goes me too, I like Cavia. And then 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.599 Miranda says, but that's fine because there's no parasites in Cavia. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.640 So we're good on Cavia, We're good on Cavea. So 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.800 she want eat chicken, eggs, ch leatfish ecks, yes, exactly, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.320 which she likes. And she says there's no parasites in that, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:50.440 and I feel like we should believe her. She says, personally, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.279 I don't do dairy or meat, and then Kristin, oh wait, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.000 I personally, I don't do dairy or wheat. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:58.720 Oh wheat? 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:07.200 Sorry, are we established? And then Kristen says, but will 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.120 you eat sour dough? And then Miranda's like, no, I 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.240 won't do sour dough, and christ It's like, do you 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.480 do rice? Do you do any carbs? And the Miranda says, 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.800 I eat a lot of squash and carrots and parsnips, 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.359 And I'm like, are those carbs? I didn't know that. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.320 I think, yeah, squash and wait, squashed carrot, Yeah, yeah, 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.240 there are there is a carb content. Okay, you know 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:38.240 the vegetables, because potatoes are vegetab. I don't think she 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:39.040 would do potatoes. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.560 Oh no, I don't think she touched a potato since 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.200 like year six. 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.240 And then she says, I don't eat kale, which is 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.560 what I thought all the Hollywood ela eat is like 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.599 kale salad. Does she explain why she doesn't eat kale? Well, no, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.719 I assused, and shock. I assumed it's also about the parasites. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.640 I think Kristen was shocked, but she didn't want to 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.960 come across a shop. That's where she asked, do you 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.560 eat spinach? And Miranda was like mm mmmm. And then 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.360 Kristin's like, oh, you're super healthy, and Miranda's like mm hmm. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.640 And that's how it ends. So a little day on 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.560 the plate. I feel like we should try this diet. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.040 Oh my god, where are you going to get bison from? 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.080 I don't know. I'll have to call her people and 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.840 go to your like, go to your local butcher and. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:30.600 Say I have I'm making Speti bolognas Germany bison mints. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.520 Yeah I can't. I can't with them eating the bison 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.240 but not eating spinach or kale. 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.520 It sounds like super restrictive as well, because like I 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.960 could if I had to do that down a plate, right, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.800 I'd have to eliminate the stuff I would refuse to eat, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.280 so then I'd be left with lamb and the vegetables. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:48.960 She mentioned. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.720 Yeah, and if I. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.120 Hate that every day forever. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.960 I feel like this is such a weird thing to 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:55.760 put out there. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:56.400 I do too. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.240 I think it's feels it feels very elitist, like I 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.800 thought when I was watching it it was satire and. 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:04.360 Not with Miranda. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:06.680 I think she's been very serious, but you have very 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.800 serious little looks into like billionaire's life, like you're just 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.760 living in like a totally different universe to the rest 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:13.160 of the house. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.440 Do you know what my read on it ultimately was 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:17.560 Kristin love sushi. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.000 Krystal love sushi and sour dough and. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:21.120 Like, girl, eat your sushi. Eat. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:22.800 I wonder if she had like a loaf of soado 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.440 to gift her and then she's like, oh god. 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.880 That means if Miranda was gifted Taylor sourdo she wouldn't 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.560 eat it. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:31.520 Surely she would. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.760 You'd have to, You have to, you gotta eat. Okay, 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.160 So you mentioned a potential like music feud. There are 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.840 a lot of music feuds, supposedly, and the good thing 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.120 about a music feud is you get lyrics that can 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.959 swipe back and forth. You know, we had like Olivia 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.200 Rodrigo and Sabrina carp and you know, then there was 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.200 Like one of my favorites was when Camilla Bell dated 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.640 Joe Jonas and Taylor got upset about it and wrote 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.120 better than Revenge. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.679 Oh yeah, and then she had to change the lips 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:02.640 because they were too me. 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:04.640 Yeah, but the fans like the ot. 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:05.760 I love the Oden. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:06.640 It works much better. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.720 This is why rap is actually my favorite genre of music. Yeah, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:13.280 because like you just get the best music over disc 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.679 tracks like Kendrick Lemian Drake, Oh my god, the best 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:17.600 music ever. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.640 So there's a new one brewing and The Guardian who 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.520 got an early listen of Febe Bridges. Now, are you 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:26.880 familiar with Phoebe Bridges. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.800 I love Phoebe Bridges. I've seen her live at a 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.800 music festival and she was very very talented. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.199 Yeah, incredibly talented. So she's part of boy Genius but 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.200 also a successful solo artist, full time Grammy winner by 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.600 the way, guys, so like, yeah, incredible artist. So she 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.640 has her new album coming out called Last Weekend that 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.040 drops on August fourteen. But Guardian and like other music 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.400 journalists around the world, get an early listen. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.760 It's like kind of like how we get screen as 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:55.640 for movies. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.520 Exactly, and I often get like I do a lot 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.719 of music writing, so I forget early haven't this one yet, 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.480 but now I'm like chomping at the bit to hear it. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.600 So Guardian did a review on it, gave it a 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.720 great review, and they printed some lyrics that seemingly take 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.680 a swipe at Gracie Abrams. 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.960 Crazy Abram, who I also love yeah, and also saw 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.600 Life also love also saw Live exactly, So do you 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:29.040 know the connection there? I do, And I am obsessed 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.839 with Paul Mescal. We talk about him in great length 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:36.439 on this podcast, but I'm not like fully across the 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.920 intricacies of his relationships because he's always been quite private. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.640 But I knew around the normal people time he was 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.080 dating Phoebe Bridges, Yeah, and then that photo at the 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.320 met Gala went viral where he's posing with her, but 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.440 like a zoomed out version of the photo shows he's staring 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.040 at Daisy Edgar Jones. They were engaged, and I think 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.880 they broke up, and then he started dating Grazy Yeah, 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:02.960 and Daisy's always just in the realm of the. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.840 Daisy's just there as friends. 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:06.079 Yea. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.720 I think that the like the true love of his 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:12.000 life or just like the fans really wanted or maybe 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.320 he really wanted a date. Look, that's that's neither here 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:14.720 nor there. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.000 I mean, he's only obsessed with her. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:21.000 But I'm going to read you these lyrics, okkay. So 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.480 this is on the song called the Governor's Waltz, and 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.200 on the track, Phoebe sings, she can pretend to be 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.120 me since she took my place in my bed on 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:31.840 that stage. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:34.480 Oh wow. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:39.280 So this is, like I would say, pretty pointedly for 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:44.560 people who understand all the law behind this about Gracie. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.560 I don't think that there's like much room for error 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.640 here that it could be about someone else. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:54.199 Until she took my place on that bed on that stage. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.720 So I'm going to go through a bit of a 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.640 timeline here for you. Yeah, as you know, Paul and 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:05.800 Phoebe were together quite a long time, engaged all that business. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.920 They broke up apparently in December twenty twenty two, but 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.400 there was an overlap there with like Phoebe's now with 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.560 Bo Burnham has been apparently since December twenty twenty two. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.640 Whether or not one ended before the other one started, 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.560 I don't know. And also, as we know, with a 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.040 lot of celebrity relationships, they can often break up before 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.200 we find out about. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.960 It wasn't weren't they outed by? It was a Keith Urban. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.840 So this is amazing. Yes, so there was just no 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.240 no at Taylor's. Everything always comes back to Taylor Swift, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.280 and it does in this case too. I'll explain why. 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:43.560 So. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:49.120 Yes, Keith Urban filmed in the Era's tent at the 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.400 Philadelphia show. He was there with Nicole. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.920 It's like the Celebrity Test, the celebrity t people that 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.320 Taylor Swift invites to come watch her exactly. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.640 So Nicole and Keith longtime friends of Taylor's. Taylor has 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.280 had Keith on a song. They are partying, having the 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.720 night of their lives and Eras He's like, whoo host 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.320 this story being like best time ever, thank you for 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.480 having as Taylor having the best time. And of course 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.840 in the back fans all noticed straightaway Phoebe and Bo 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:19.520 Burnham snogging. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:21.000 Yeah, and it. 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.720 Just went everywhere. Keith has been asked about it, I 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:28.600 think on Entertainment Tonight and was like, yikes, Like sorry, sorry, Phoebe, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.880 I did expose you. I didn't realize sos so like 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.120 that's the thing. What happened in the Eras tent is 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.040 meant to stay in the eras tent, but it didn't 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:36.439 that night. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:40.359 So yeah, it got the key grand shots with Travis exactly. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.480 So whether or not there was crossover, who knows. Right. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:49.960 What there was definitely no crossover with was Gracie and Paul. Right, 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:55.400 So Gracie and Paul were first seen together in June 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.440 twenty twenty four. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.000 Okay, so that's quiel. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.480 After quite a bit later they were out having dinner 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.199 in London and that sparked dating rumors. There's probably every 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.000 chance again, everything comes back to Taylor that Gracie met 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:14.320 Paul through Taylor. Yes, because Gracie is a good friend 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.720 of Taylor's. Phoebe is a good friend of Taylor's. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.920 And they both were like supporting acts for her ears. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.880 So both were supporting acts on her Ears tour and 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.360 both have also featured on songs with Taylor as well. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.000 And they are all still friends with Taylor and were 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.280 all at her wedding. Yeah, so they're like, this is 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:37.440 all still happening. Now. There's this weird thing about bed sheets, Yes, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.400 have you like? The bed sheets thing is super weird 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.000 And I wasn't leaving like i'd kind of vaguely seen 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.240 something about it and was like, who cares about that? 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:47.520 But I got into it today. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.920 Obviously the only thing that I can think about the 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.160 bed on the stage. And I might be reading into this, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.320 but because I went to Gracie Abram's concert in Sydney, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.120 there's a whole part of her performance. I think it's 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.479 like halfway through a concert where the set design changes 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.800 and she's back in her bedroom and she brings out 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:09.960 a bed on stage and she's like on this little 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.640 piano in front of her bed, and it's set up 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.880 in like her old bedroom because she wants to take 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.720 the audience back to COVID days where she was performing 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.720 in her bedroom on her bed on zoom calls and 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.280 she was just like singing to fans on zoom calls, 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.320 and she like has that part of her performance where 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.160 she's literally on a bed on a stage. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.240 So Phoebe had these bed sheets that featured on her 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.520 Instagram a lot that were like glow in the dark, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:39.440 like space themed bed sheets. Yeah, then Gracie also had 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.280 them and they were the same exact same, like niche 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:44.720 glow in the Dark bed sheets. 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.440 That wait, did Paul take the bed sheets in the 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.120 relationship You. 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.400 Know because it was all before, like it was all 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:55.720 in COVID years. But Gracie has always like maintained right 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.600 from the start pre Paul, before she probably even ever 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.640 met him, that she loved Phoebe Bridges was a huge fan. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.640 So whether she saw the bed sheets on Phoebe's Instagram, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.200 was like, I need these bed sheets. They they look cool, 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.560 like they are glowing the dark space theme. Sure, what's 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.800 not to love, especially when you're all trapped at home. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:15.600 So she got the bed sheets as well and then 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.640 like posted herself on her Instagram wrapped in the bed sheets, 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.360 and then there was like the whole bed thing on 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.240 the stage. So this line, all of a sudden sounds 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.600 pretty pointed because it was, as I said before, she 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.920 can pretend to be me since she took my place 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.280 in my bed on that stage. Yeah, so there's like 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.960 the bed sheets, there's the X, and we also know 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:38.840 we're on the stage. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:44.240 Gracie's new album, it was quite highly criticized because of 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:49.600 the whole can great artists write great songs after they're 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.960 in a happy relationship? And there were I know one 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:54.480 song for you, I'm not sure there was more that 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.680 she co wrote with Paul Mescal. Yeah, so he's also 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.280 been like really involved in her like music process, which 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.960 I think adds on to like the harshness of those 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.359 harsh critiques of being like, I don't like a lot 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:08.959 of people said that it wasn't a good album, it 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:10.879 wasn't a normal Gracie Abrams album. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.600 Yeah, I did actually feel like I don't love it 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.960 as much as her earlier album. I also I love 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.920 a heartbreak album. Yeah, I too, absolutely love it. And 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:25.600 so Phoebe's like obviously mind through this kind of content 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:30.200 for this new album, And I think what's really interesting 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.359 here is that it's going to spark like so much 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.040 conversation about whether or not there is a feud between 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:40.680 these two. My take on that is like probably not right, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.840 but that it would obviously have been something that was 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.760 interesting to Phoebe to happen. She moved on before he did, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.399 and she moved on with Bo long before Paul and 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.760 Gracie got together. Yeah, so it's not like Gracie stole 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:55.760 her guy, right. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:56.880 Yeah. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.680 So I think like sometimes when you're like trying to 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.600 write these songs and you're sitting there in the writer's 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.480 room and you're thinking about like you know, all the 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.359 different kind of things in your past that you're pulling 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.199 stuff from that this is just something that's kind of 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.159 like come to her. Yeah. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.480 It was like one of her sliding door moments. Yeah, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.560 and I feel like that is always the best place 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.840 to write from from an artist. So I think exactly 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.119 what you said. I don't think it's a feud, but 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.399 I also think Phoebe Bridges knows how to write a 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.240 good song and knows what will get her good reviews. 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:28.880 And also what people will talk about. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.360 Yeah, that's so true, you know. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.680 And you wonder how much has done because it does 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.800 generate conversation as well. And of course it's like the 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.320 first thing Guardian pulled out when they were writing about 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:38.840 this album. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:40.840 Oh my god. I wonder if Paul's right now in 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.480 his group chat with Joe Alwin in the Tortured Man's 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.240 group chat, going oh my god, guys, it's happening again. 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.160 It's happening again. Well, that Tortured Man's group chat is him, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.800 and Andrew Scott Joe. But then paulan Andrew were like, oh, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.600 we never write in it. I actually think that Joe's 0:18:58.680 --> 0:18:59.920 left out in the cold in that chat. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.200 Joe's just writing by himself in that chat and no 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:03.399 one's replying to him. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.160 Do you know what I most want to know? Does 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:11.840 Gracie still have the bed sheets? And has Paul experienced 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.840 both sets of shirt? Yeah? Because that would be so weird. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:16.840 That's such a nache thing. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.040 I feel like the minute she would have started dating Paul, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.439 she would have been like, this is too weird and 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:23.959 it's too much. It's already in my show, Like I've 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.240