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Speaker 2: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 3: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Cassenni Lukitch and coming.

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Speaker 3: Up on the show today, we after a bit of

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Speaker 3: a drought, we have finally had a star slutted red carpet.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get into the best and worst looks

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Speaker 3: from that. Plus, Tom Cruise has received an oscar, but

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Speaker 3: there is a catch to that, and that's also not

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Speaker 3: the reason he's going viral today. So we're going to

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Speaker 3: get into that video because my eyeballs have never been

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Speaker 3: the same. Plus, Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rivo are out

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Speaker 3: promoting the new Wicked movie that comes out this week,

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Speaker 3: but they kind of also have gone into hiding, So

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Speaker 3: we're going to explain what's happened there.

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Speaker 4: But first, the first as that the new Moana trailer

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Speaker 4: the Rock is going to be returning as Maui, and

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Speaker 4: a new Catherine Legaya is going to be playing Moana.

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Speaker 1: I am a girl lost my life and the girl

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Speaker 4: But the response to the trailer has been a little

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Speaker 4: bit lackluster, you know. I feel like a lot of

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Speaker 2: Already, we've got a live action Moana.

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Speaker 4: So the original Majuana was released in twenty sixteen, and

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Speaker 4: So while my Waana two did do well at box

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Speaker 4: that they're doing a live action now feels quite soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it does feel soon to me.

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Speaker 3: I guess like it's it feels so long since the

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Speaker 3: first Mowana, and that is like such a beloved movie.

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Speaker 3: It's had such a lasting effect on people. I personally

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Speaker 3: It's like a danger zone. But I did it for Moana.

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Speaker 3: I think just because the songs didn't hit. But I

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Speaker 3: do think the live action I'm against live action Disney

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Speaker 3: especially if they've been done before like Sleeping Beauty, seen

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Speaker 3: and the Beast, like, there's so many live adaptations. Those

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Speaker 3: And it's an Australian actress playing Molana because Alihi, they're

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Speaker 3: But I do understand when people saw the trailer release date,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the movie itself, Moana itself was

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Speaker 2: Are just some of the responses I've been saying on

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Speaker 4: Like, whoa, it's like they've got a bit of fatigue

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Speaker 3: So why did the trailer look so flat in CGI?

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Speaker 3: But the movie doesn't look like that. Yeah, the movie

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Speaker 2: I mean I do like you're welcome as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this so, I mean that's very far shiny.

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Speaker 4: I do also feel like the Rock would have really

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Speaker 2: He's got another Jamundi movie coming out.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well well yeah, those makes so much money

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I loved Jennifer Lawrence in her deal white gown.

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Speaker 2: I really liked this dress.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure she's like she's a business minded woman.

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Speaker 4: But yes, the kamma bun reminded me of my year

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Speaker 4: The reason the reason I don't like it. So it's

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Speaker 4: It feels costumeme to me. This one feels costume me.

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Speaker 3: as well, which I didn't think got photographed. When I

428
00:19:25,704 --> 00:19:27,904
Speaker 3: saw that, I was like, oh, I see the vision,

429
00:19:27,984 --> 00:19:29,824
Speaker 3: and I see how you put this stress on at

430
00:19:29,824 --> 00:19:32,064
Speaker 3: home and you walked around in it and you felt

431
00:19:32,144 --> 00:19:35,344
Speaker 3: amazing because in motion the dress looks incredible. It's so

432
00:19:35,384 --> 00:19:37,264
Speaker 3: hard because that's how a lot of coture dresses are

433
00:19:37,264 --> 00:19:39,184
Speaker 3: meant to be seen, Like that's why we have run ways,

434
00:19:39,264 --> 00:19:41,384
Speaker 3: is that they only look good in motion, and so

435
00:19:41,424 --> 00:19:43,824
Speaker 3: when you see a photo, it just sometimes it can

436
00:19:44,464 --> 00:19:46,704
Speaker 3: really ruin a look. And there's so many stylists who

437
00:19:46,704 --> 00:19:49,144
Speaker 3: have talked about the fact that they thought their person

438
00:19:49,264 --> 00:19:51,424
Speaker 3: was going to have this huge moment and then they

439
00:19:51,424 --> 00:19:53,504
Speaker 3: saw how it was photographed. And also, this is why

440
00:19:53,544 --> 00:19:55,704
Speaker 3: so many celebs take their own photos at home. Now,

441
00:19:56,064 --> 00:19:58,464
Speaker 3: is that you know that's also that's a black carpet,

442
00:19:59,024 --> 00:20:02,144
Speaker 3: a gray black background, except for like the gold bitch,

443
00:20:02,264 --> 00:20:04,744
Speaker 3: like the lighting can be off. Like there's so many things.

444
00:20:04,744 --> 00:20:07,744
Speaker 3: So I just think, before we rubbish, Kate Hudson need

445
00:20:07,784 --> 00:20:09,584
Speaker 3: to go look at videos of the dress and it

446
00:20:09,624 --> 00:20:10,424
Speaker 3: really saves it.

447
00:20:10,664 --> 00:20:14,144
Speaker 2: Okay, My final one is Annie Taylor Joy. Oh yeah,

448
00:20:14,664 --> 00:20:15,304
Speaker 2: oh my god.

449
00:20:15,344 --> 00:20:19,584
Speaker 4: I just loved the structure of the waist, the way

450
00:20:19,624 --> 00:20:22,664
Speaker 4: that the corset works is almost like just above her

451
00:20:22,704 --> 00:20:26,464
Speaker 4: belly button. There's this detail that kind of goes in

452
00:20:26,504 --> 00:20:28,784
Speaker 4: and the back out and I'm not explaining it's very

453
00:20:28,824 --> 00:20:32,664
Speaker 4: well but it's very sculptural. And then there's this gorgeous cape.

454
00:20:32,744 --> 00:20:36,504
Speaker 4: It looks really modern, it's really beautiful. It's Mason Marziella,

455
00:20:36,584 --> 00:20:40,144
Speaker 4: and it's got this beautiful like almost built in necklace.

456
00:20:40,184 --> 00:20:41,944
Speaker 4: I think it's a necklace or I'm just trying to

457
00:20:42,064 --> 00:20:44,664
Speaker 4: have a no, she's got a necklace on top, but

458
00:20:44,704 --> 00:20:46,224
Speaker 4: it looks like it's part of the dress. And then

459
00:20:46,264 --> 00:20:49,464
Speaker 4: her hair flows is flowing back behind her, looks like it's.

460
00:20:49,344 --> 00:20:49,904
Speaker 2: Part of the dress.

461
00:20:49,944 --> 00:20:52,264
Speaker 4: It feels really cohesive. I think she looks stunning. It's

462
00:20:52,264 --> 00:20:54,024
Speaker 4: actually one of my favorite looks that the whole night.

463
00:20:54,104 --> 00:20:56,344
Speaker 3: Yeah, she looks very pretty, but like she always looks pretty,

464
00:20:56,384 --> 00:20:58,144
Speaker 3: like I just I just think for someone who sometimes

465
00:20:58,224 --> 00:21:00,784
Speaker 3: takes these huge red carpet wrists, and because we haven't

466
00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,544
Speaker 3: had a red carpet for a while or seen her

467
00:21:02,544 --> 00:21:04,944
Speaker 3: in a while, I almost wanted something a little bit

468
00:21:04,984 --> 00:21:06,984
Speaker 3: more from her, Like you know how sometimes she'll wear

469
00:21:06,984 --> 00:21:08,904
Speaker 3: it pull out like a horde or a cape, or

470
00:21:09,264 --> 00:21:11,184
Speaker 3: like she walks to the Australian carpet of her last

471
00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:14,104
Speaker 3: premiere and that duress covered in those huge spikes and

472
00:21:14,144 --> 00:21:16,224
Speaker 3: nearly took out everyone around her. That's kind of what

473
00:21:16,264 --> 00:21:19,384
Speaker 3: I wanted from her. So speaking about what happened after

474
00:21:19,384 --> 00:21:22,584
Speaker 3: everyone moved off the red carpet and inside, Tom Cruise

475
00:21:22,624 --> 00:21:26,544
Speaker 3: accepted an honorary Oscar. He has been nominated four times

476
00:21:26,544 --> 00:21:29,304
Speaker 3: before for an Oscar, but very famously has never won.

477
00:21:29,784 --> 00:21:32,904
Speaker 3: For being one of the biggest movie stars and enduring

478
00:21:32,944 --> 00:21:35,704
Speaker 3: movie stars in the world, and that's always been something

479
00:21:35,744 --> 00:21:38,184
Speaker 3: interesting on Tom Cruise, because the thing is like, if

480
00:21:38,184 --> 00:21:40,064
Speaker 3: he wanted it Oscar now, he would just have one.

481
00:21:40,344 --> 00:21:42,584
Speaker 3: He would have gone and made some Oscar bait movies,

482
00:21:43,144 --> 00:21:45,024
Speaker 3: like a Brad Pitt or something like that. They would

483
00:21:45,024 --> 00:21:47,544
Speaker 3: have given him an It's Time Oscar, like a Matthew

484
00:21:47,624 --> 00:21:49,264
Speaker 3: McConaughey or something. You know what I mean. Like these

485
00:21:49,304 --> 00:21:52,664
Speaker 3: blockbuster stars go and do those do like one oscary

486
00:21:52,704 --> 00:21:55,504
Speaker 3: movie and then they get that Oscar as kind of

487
00:21:55,504 --> 00:21:57,784
Speaker 3: a token of like what they've done in the industry.

488
00:21:58,264 --> 00:22:00,944
Speaker 3: But it's so interesting that Tom Cruise just decided that

489
00:22:01,024 --> 00:22:02,744
Speaker 3: he was going to go another way and he was

490
00:22:02,784 --> 00:22:07,024
Speaker 3: going to care more about like being in blockbusters, doing

491
00:22:07,064 --> 00:22:10,104
Speaker 3: the biggest stunts in Hollywood, having the biggest opening weekend.

492
00:22:11,184 --> 00:22:13,184
Speaker 3: It's almost like, I know, there's a lot of strange

493
00:22:13,184 --> 00:22:16,024
Speaker 3: things about Tom Cruise, but I do kind of really

494
00:22:16,384 --> 00:22:18,664
Speaker 3: something I do find really impressive about him is how

495
00:22:18,704 --> 00:22:21,504
Speaker 3: he cares more about what the audience thinks of him

496
00:22:21,584 --> 00:22:24,184
Speaker 3: than he cares about what the academy or like the

497
00:22:24,224 --> 00:22:25,504
Speaker 3: Hollywood elite think of him.

498
00:22:25,624 --> 00:22:29,344
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has given he has made a niche for himself,

499
00:22:29,464 --> 00:22:32,064
Speaker 4: his Niche is the biggest action star in the world.

500
00:22:32,464 --> 00:22:34,824
Speaker 4: You know, there is a reason top Gun, We've got

501
00:22:34,864 --> 00:22:38,624
Speaker 4: Mission impossible. These franchises that are making millions and billions

502
00:22:38,664 --> 00:22:41,864
Speaker 4: and billions of dollars for a lot of people. But

503
00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:44,824
Speaker 4: the movies that he makes, while very entertaining, are not

504
00:22:44,904 --> 00:22:49,584
Speaker 4: necessarily critic and oscar worthy, despite the fact that he's

505
00:22:49,624 --> 00:22:51,744
Speaker 4: incredibly successful and made a lot of people of a

506
00:22:51,744 --> 00:22:57,504
Speaker 4: lot of money. I thought his speech was incredibly humble

507
00:22:57,584 --> 00:23:00,984
Speaker 4: and earnest. If you haven't heard it, he basically spent

508
00:23:01,024 --> 00:23:03,344
Speaker 4: the majority of the first half of the speech talking

509
00:23:03,344 --> 00:23:06,424
Speaker 4: about the other honorees, so Debbie Allen and Dolly Parton

510
00:23:07,064 --> 00:23:09,304
Speaker 4: and the other people in the room, and then the

511
00:23:09,344 --> 00:23:11,904
Speaker 4: rest of the time talking about how it was everybody

512
00:23:11,904 --> 00:23:14,424
Speaker 4: else around him that helped make the movies, and he

513
00:23:14,664 --> 00:23:17,384
Speaker 4: really very did not really talk about himself very much.

514
00:23:17,584 --> 00:23:18,624
Speaker 2: It was quite earnest.

515
00:23:18,984 --> 00:23:21,704
Speaker 4: And again, say what you will about Tom Cruise, he's

516
00:23:21,944 --> 00:23:27,304
Speaker 4: incredibly charismatic and he knows how to hold room. Did

517
00:23:27,384 --> 00:23:28,624
Speaker 4: you what did you think about the part where he

518
00:23:28,664 --> 00:23:30,744
Speaker 4: asked everyone to stand up at the end.

519
00:23:31,064 --> 00:23:33,024
Speaker 3: I thought that was like quite a nice touch. And

520
00:23:33,064 --> 00:23:34,984
Speaker 3: I also just feel like he's a showman and that's

521
00:23:35,024 --> 00:23:36,864
Speaker 3: what he's there for. And his whole thing is like,

522
00:23:36,904 --> 00:23:39,304
Speaker 3: I'm a humble artist. So yeah, he said like, if

523
00:23:39,344 --> 00:23:41,544
Speaker 3: you've worked with me, stand up, and no one stood up,

524
00:23:41,624 --> 00:23:43,424
Speaker 3: even though everyone in that room has worked with him.

525
00:23:43,584 --> 00:23:45,864
Speaker 3: And then he's like, no, no, stand up, stand up, everyone please,

526
00:23:45,904 --> 00:23:47,904
Speaker 3: I can see you and you and you, And then

527
00:23:48,024 --> 00:23:51,544
Speaker 3: everyone started standing up, you know, Steven Spielberg and Colin

528
00:23:51,624 --> 00:23:53,904
Speaker 3: Farrell and all these people just took to their feet.

529
00:23:54,424 --> 00:23:56,744
Speaker 3: And then he was like, it's because of all you, peep,

530
00:23:56,824 --> 00:23:58,944
Speaker 3: it's because of everyone's standing right now, Like I want

531
00:23:58,984 --> 00:24:01,104
Speaker 3: to give you guys a shout out. So I feel

532
00:24:01,104 --> 00:24:03,704
Speaker 3: like someone else might have that might have come off badly,

533
00:24:03,904 --> 00:24:05,784
Speaker 3: but I also felt because nearly everyone in the room

534
00:24:05,824 --> 00:24:07,744
Speaker 3: did stand up because they've all worked with Tom Cruise

535
00:24:07,784 --> 00:24:09,344
Speaker 3: at some stage. It was a nice touch.

536
00:24:09,504 --> 00:24:11,344
Speaker 4: It was funny though, that out of all of the

537
00:24:11,384 --> 00:24:14,784
Speaker 4: celebrities in the room that the one they got a

538
00:24:14,784 --> 00:24:17,224
Speaker 4: shot of was Colin Farrell's standing up, And I was like,

539
00:24:17,264 --> 00:24:18,264
Speaker 4: what movie did he do?

540
00:24:18,424 --> 00:24:21,224
Speaker 2: It was a Minority Report. That's the movie they worked

541
00:24:21,224 --> 00:24:21,664
Speaker 2: on together.

542
00:24:22,184 --> 00:24:24,784
Speaker 4: But apparently Tom and Colin Farrel didn't get along very

543
00:24:24,784 --> 00:24:25,704
Speaker 4: well in that movie, because.

544
00:24:25,504 --> 00:24:27,344
Speaker 3: Well that's probably why Colin didn't want to stand up.

545
00:24:27,344 --> 00:24:27,984
Speaker 3: He took a while.

546
00:24:28,144 --> 00:24:30,424
Speaker 4: He took a while because apparently that was when Colin

547
00:24:30,504 --> 00:24:34,504
Speaker 4: Varrell's right really knee deep in is drinking and drugs,

548
00:24:34,544 --> 00:24:37,384
Speaker 4: and apparently Tom and him didn't get along because he

549
00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:39,224
Speaker 4: wasn't taking it very seriously.

550
00:24:39,584 --> 00:24:41,144
Speaker 3: I would I would believe that. I feel like Tom

551
00:24:41,184 --> 00:24:42,704
Speaker 3: Cruise has a check and passed with a lot of

552
00:24:42,704 --> 00:24:45,984
Speaker 3: people in Hollywood. Something that's gone more viral than Tom

553
00:24:46,024 --> 00:24:49,704
Speaker 3: Cruise's speech is a little video that was taken at

554
00:24:49,744 --> 00:24:52,424
Speaker 3: the party that was celebrating Did you see this? It's

555
00:24:52,544 --> 00:24:55,624
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise on the dance floor with Debbie Allen. So

556
00:24:55,704 --> 00:24:58,544
Speaker 3: Debbie Allen incredible superstar but also no one as an

557
00:24:58,624 --> 00:25:01,824
Speaker 3: incredible dancer, and Chorrogra felt like that is her thing.

558
00:25:01,704 --> 00:25:05,704
Speaker 4: The Debbie Allen dance studio. Yeah, that is like she's iconic.

559
00:25:05,864 --> 00:25:08,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's on the dance floor. And Tom Cruise decided

560
00:25:08,704 --> 00:25:10,904
Speaker 3: that was his moment in front of one of the

561
00:25:10,904 --> 00:25:14,024
Speaker 3: greatest dances that's ever lived, that it was his moment

562
00:25:14,064 --> 00:25:17,864
Speaker 3: to show of his moves, and he went to town on

563
00:25:17,904 --> 00:25:20,104
Speaker 3: the dance floor. And I wish I could scrub this

564
00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:22,144
Speaker 3: from my eyeballs because I've never had a level of

565
00:25:22,184 --> 00:25:25,344
Speaker 3: secondhand embarrassment for a rich, famous man like I had

566
00:25:25,344 --> 00:25:27,784
Speaker 3: in this moment. And the interesting thing is is like

567
00:25:27,824 --> 00:25:29,464
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise is meant to be a good dancer.

568
00:25:29,824 --> 00:25:34,424
Speaker 4: It reminded me of like a dad, a boomer dad

569
00:25:34,504 --> 00:25:35,504
Speaker 4: at a wedding.

570
00:25:35,504 --> 00:25:37,184
Speaker 3: Who's had like one too many drinks and it's like

571
00:25:37,224 --> 00:25:38,344
Speaker 3: I'll get in the middle of the circle.

572
00:25:38,544 --> 00:25:42,184
Speaker 4: Like I found it again endearing, but it was a

573
00:25:42,184 --> 00:25:46,424
Speaker 4: bit cringe worthy because he can't dance, which is interesting

574
00:25:46,504 --> 00:25:50,304
Speaker 4: because apparently because risky business, you know that whole Like

575
00:25:51,064 --> 00:25:54,104
Speaker 4: that was such an iconic scene, him sliding into the

576
00:25:54,184 --> 00:25:57,464
Speaker 4: room and doing the dance in the undies and the

577
00:25:57,464 --> 00:25:59,984
Speaker 4: white shirt, Like that's one of the most iconic Tom

578
00:26:00,064 --> 00:26:01,104
Speaker 4: Cruise moments.

579
00:26:01,544 --> 00:26:02,584
Speaker 2: But he can't dance.

580
00:26:03,304 --> 00:26:05,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I feel like he used to be able

581
00:26:05,144 --> 00:26:07,464
Speaker 3: to dance, Like it's so crazy. Like Cher said that

582
00:26:07,504 --> 00:26:09,984
Speaker 3: she slept with Tom Cruise and he was great at

583
00:26:09,984 --> 00:26:11,984
Speaker 3: sex because she saw him on a dance floor and

584
00:26:11,984 --> 00:26:13,784
Speaker 3: he was a good dancer, And I was like, share,

585
00:26:13,864 --> 00:26:15,544
Speaker 3: have you lied to us all these years? What were

586
00:26:15,584 --> 00:26:15,984
Speaker 3: you seeing?

587
00:26:16,464 --> 00:26:18,584
Speaker 4: I feel like maybe that's just an age thing. Maybe

588
00:26:18,584 --> 00:26:21,864
Speaker 4: you get a bit older and the awkwardness just it

589
00:26:21,944 --> 00:26:23,584
Speaker 4: becomes inherent.

590
00:26:24,144 --> 00:26:25,864
Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but I feel like you've got like

591
00:26:25,904 --> 00:26:27,864
Speaker 3: I feel like kids today wouldn't because they don't go

592
00:26:27,904 --> 00:26:30,144
Speaker 3: out and dance and have those like you know, they're

593
00:26:30,144 --> 00:26:32,064
Speaker 3: all sitting at home on the phones.

594
00:26:32,304 --> 00:26:35,064
Speaker 4: Have you seen like Tanya heads his Instagram videos where

595
00:26:35,064 --> 00:26:36,704
Speaker 4: she does like the dancing of her mother.

596
00:26:37,464 --> 00:26:39,904
Speaker 2: That's what it reminded me of, but in like man form.

597
00:26:40,384 --> 00:26:42,344
Speaker 3: And I just think that I don't know, maybe he

598
00:26:42,424 --> 00:26:44,424
Speaker 3: just lost his mind. Maybe I don't know, he's lost

599
00:26:44,464 --> 00:26:47,464
Speaker 3: his moves. Like Tom Cruise is fitter than most people

600
00:26:47,504 --> 00:26:49,584
Speaker 3: that you know, can like jump out of a plane

601
00:26:49,584 --> 00:26:50,024
Speaker 3: and whatnot.

602
00:26:50,024 --> 00:26:52,544
Speaker 2: So did nineteen sixty one, so he's sixty five.

603
00:26:52,904 --> 00:26:55,024
Speaker 3: I would love to know what Debbie Allen was feeling

604
00:26:55,064 --> 00:26:57,344
Speaker 3: in that moment, whether she was like, oh, this nice

605
00:26:57,544 --> 00:26:59,624
Speaker 3: boy is trying to dance and he's terrible at it,

606
00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:01,784
Speaker 3: or if she was just like, I'm loving dancing with

607
00:27:01,864 --> 00:27:02,544
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise. Hih.

608
00:27:02,584 --> 00:27:04,424
Speaker 4: I think she was loving it because if you saw

609
00:27:04,464 --> 00:27:09,304
Speaker 4: her reaction to his speech, he mentioned her mother, the

610
00:27:09,384 --> 00:27:11,544
Speaker 4: quote from her mother, and she was so blown away

611
00:27:11,584 --> 00:27:13,104
Speaker 4: she basically started crying.

612
00:27:13,384 --> 00:27:14,384
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very sweet.

613
00:27:14,384 --> 00:27:15,864
Speaker 2: I reckon she loved it. She looked like she was

614
00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:16,584
Speaker 2: having a good time.

615
00:27:16,664 --> 00:27:18,424
Speaker 3: Also, if you're Debbiellen, you just used to being the

616
00:27:18,464 --> 00:27:20,424
Speaker 3: best dancer on the floor, so she's probably like, this

617
00:27:20,544 --> 00:27:21,304
Speaker 3: is just normal for me.

618
00:27:26,984 --> 00:27:30,024
Speaker 4: So the Wicked press stour is finally coming to an end.

619
00:27:30,064 --> 00:27:31,584
Speaker 4: The movie is set for a release in a couple

620
00:27:31,664 --> 00:27:34,104
Speaker 4: of days. We're all very, very excited for it. But

621
00:27:34,144 --> 00:27:37,144
Speaker 4: it's definitely been a little bit more subdued than the

622
00:27:37,264 --> 00:27:41,424
Speaker 4: first movies one and there's been a few like interesting

623
00:27:41,504 --> 00:27:45,664
Speaker 4: moments that have happened on the carpets lately, most notably,

624
00:27:45,744 --> 00:27:48,704
Speaker 4: you know, at the Singapore premiere earlier. Then there was

625
00:27:48,744 --> 00:27:53,184
Speaker 4: that stupid man in Singapore who rushed Ariana Grande and

626
00:27:53,224 --> 00:27:54,304
Speaker 4: then he's been sentenced.

627
00:27:54,304 --> 00:27:56,464
Speaker 2: He's got nine days in jail for what he did.

628
00:27:56,744 --> 00:27:58,664
Speaker 4: But it has been a little bit of a different

629
00:27:58,704 --> 00:28:00,504
Speaker 4: press store this time around. They're having a New York

630
00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:05,944
Speaker 4: premiere at the time of recording, and Cynthia and Ariana

631
00:28:06,144 --> 00:28:07,944
Speaker 4: have actually said that they're not coming to be doing

632
00:28:07,984 --> 00:28:10,624
Speaker 4: any interviews on the carpet at the New York City premier. Yeah,

633
00:28:10,664 --> 00:28:13,264
Speaker 4: which is quite a big deal considering it's like the

634
00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:17,024
Speaker 4: last premiere before the movie comes out on Thursday.

635
00:28:17,904 --> 00:28:20,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so interesting with this being one of the

636
00:28:20,704 --> 00:28:23,584
Speaker 3: biggest movie franchises in the world at the moment, and

637
00:28:23,784 --> 00:28:28,544
Speaker 3: also the how critically and successful and box office successful

638
00:28:28,584 --> 00:28:30,624
Speaker 3: the first movie was. And now we're back on this

639
00:28:30,664 --> 00:28:33,104
Speaker 3: press tour with two of the biggest stars in the world,

640
00:28:33,424 --> 00:28:35,264
Speaker 3: and that the biggest story to come out of this

641
00:28:35,384 --> 00:28:38,984
Speaker 3: whole press tour has been Johnson when the man who

642
00:28:39,264 --> 00:28:43,024
Speaker 3: rushed Ariana at the Singamore premiere and everything that's come

643
00:28:43,064 --> 00:28:46,824
Speaker 3: out of that. And you know, obviously I can understand

644
00:28:46,824 --> 00:28:49,864
Speaker 3: why that video went so crazy viral because you see

645
00:28:49,904 --> 00:28:52,424
Speaker 3: him rushing towards you see the fear in Ariana's face.

646
00:28:53,024 --> 00:28:54,824
Speaker 2: Obviously she's had.

647
00:28:54,664 --> 00:28:57,744
Speaker 3: Some sort of scary public moments before. She's had people

648
00:28:57,784 --> 00:29:00,224
Speaker 3: run a shadow grab her before. That's why she has security.

649
00:29:00,624 --> 00:29:03,224
Speaker 3: There was that awful thing that happened at her Manchester

650
00:29:03,264 --> 00:29:05,424
Speaker 3: concert many years ago, and so I feel like she's

651
00:29:05,544 --> 00:29:08,424
Speaker 3: very heightened in public spaces. And I think a lot

652
00:29:08,464 --> 00:29:11,224
Speaker 3: of that does explain why Cynthia Arivo like so jumped

653
00:29:11,264 --> 00:29:14,184
Speaker 3: into action, like if anyone attacked me, if I was

654
00:29:14,184 --> 00:29:16,664
Speaker 3: ever in an unsaved situation, I feel like I would

655
00:29:16,664 --> 00:29:20,104
Speaker 3: want Cynthia a Rivo there because I understand why Michelle yo,

656
00:29:20,184 --> 00:29:22,184
Speaker 3: and everyone else like, you're so shocked at the moment,

657
00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:25,544
Speaker 3: you just can't you sort of just can't even compute

658
00:29:25,584 --> 00:29:30,224
Speaker 3: about what's happening. But Cynthia Rivo so just jumped into action.

659
00:29:30,424 --> 00:29:33,304
Speaker 3: She's spun around, she's yelling, get off her, get off her.

660
00:29:33,744 --> 00:29:36,984
Speaker 3: She got there before security and she pulled when off him.

661
00:29:37,464 --> 00:29:40,344
Speaker 3: And it was interesting watch sort of hearing about what

662
00:29:40,424 --> 00:29:42,744
Speaker 3: happened in the trial with him, because at first, this

663
00:29:43,064 --> 00:29:44,984
Speaker 3: guy who is a bit of a public pest, he's

664
00:29:45,104 --> 00:29:47,784
Speaker 3: rushed the weekend before, he's rushed Katie Perry, He's tried

665
00:29:47,784 --> 00:29:50,464
Speaker 3: to get into other events. It's crazy to think that

666
00:29:50,504 --> 00:29:52,424
Speaker 3: he was front and center at the Wicked premiere. I'm like,

667
00:29:52,464 --> 00:29:54,264
Speaker 3: don't we have your name on a watch list somewhere.

668
00:29:54,384 --> 00:29:56,944
Speaker 4: I'm like, I like purposely didn't want to say his

669
00:29:56,984 --> 00:29:59,384
Speaker 4: name because I was like, this guy doesn't.

670
00:29:59,104 --> 00:30:00,944
Speaker 2: Need more publicity. He's doing this on purpose.

671
00:30:01,024 --> 00:30:03,624
Speaker 4: He loves dip his people off, he loves the attention,

672
00:30:03,744 --> 00:30:07,064
Speaker 4: he loves all this publicity. But yeah, I agree with you,

673
00:30:07,104 --> 00:30:09,584
Speaker 4: Cynthia was so great at sort of jumping into action.

674
00:30:09,664 --> 00:30:13,784
Speaker 4: But is that flight, flight or freeze. I'm a frazer

675
00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:16,544
Speaker 4: for sure. I've had things happen to where I just froze,

676
00:30:16,544 --> 00:30:18,544
Speaker 4: and then afterward I was like, why didn't I react?

677
00:30:18,864 --> 00:30:20,464
Speaker 2: But yeah, Cynthia jumped into Actually, I'm.

678
00:30:20,344 --> 00:30:26,424
Speaker 4: So surprised the security guards were not more attentive during that.

679
00:30:26,744 --> 00:30:29,984
Speaker 4: There is absolutely no reason that he should have gotten

680
00:30:30,024 --> 00:30:32,544
Speaker 4: so close to her, and Cynthia should not have been

681
00:30:32,584 --> 00:30:34,064
Speaker 4: the first one to jump in. It should have been

682
00:30:34,064 --> 00:30:37,984
Speaker 4: the security team either at the barricades or the ones

683
00:30:38,064 --> 00:30:40,864
Speaker 4: looking after the stars directly, that should have gotten to

684
00:30:41,784 --> 00:30:42,464
Speaker 4: him first.

685
00:30:42,744 --> 00:30:44,424
Speaker 2: It's just shouldn't have happened.

686
00:30:44,424 --> 00:30:46,744
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I feel that was interesting, like watching

687
00:30:46,824 --> 00:30:49,104
Speaker 3: the stuff that kind of the court cases is, you know,

688
00:30:49,144 --> 00:30:51,264
Speaker 3: he's apologizing to the judge and saying I'll never do

689
00:30:51,304 --> 00:30:54,464
Speaker 3: anything like this again, and the judges just like you,

690
00:30:54,544 --> 00:30:57,624
Speaker 3: this was premeditated, you did it for attention, and basically

691
00:30:57,664 --> 00:30:59,464
Speaker 3: said I'm going to make an example of you good

692
00:30:59,504 --> 00:31:01,864
Speaker 3: by giving you jail time. Good. I thought it was

693
00:31:01,904 --> 00:31:05,384
Speaker 3: interesting because Cynthia has spoken about it a little bit afterwards,

694
00:31:05,424 --> 00:31:07,224
Speaker 3: like she didn't go into detail, but she said that

695
00:31:07,544 --> 00:31:10,264
Speaker 3: they've been through a lot together and that's why, which

696
00:31:10,544 --> 00:31:12,104
Speaker 3: you think that there's stuff that's happened that we're not

697
00:31:12,144 --> 00:31:14,264
Speaker 3: even aware of while they've been on these press tours

698
00:31:14,784 --> 00:31:17,464
Speaker 3: and and so that's why she was really heightened. And

699
00:31:17,504 --> 00:31:20,104
Speaker 3: then Marissa Bodie, who plays Nasa Rose, put out a

700
00:31:20,184 --> 00:31:23,344
Speaker 3: video in response to some fans saying like, he's just

701
00:31:23,384 --> 00:31:25,944
Speaker 3: a fan, leave him alone, and she was like, you

702
00:31:25,944 --> 00:31:27,824
Speaker 3: can be a fan and still be a terrible person

703
00:31:27,864 --> 00:31:29,944
Speaker 3: and a dangerous person, and you don't get to make

704
00:31:30,024 --> 00:31:31,984
Speaker 3: us feel unsafe. So I thought, that's kind of I

705
00:31:31,984 --> 00:31:34,104
Speaker 3: feel like behind the scenes, the cast is like taking

706
00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:34,824
Speaker 3: this quite seriously.

707
00:31:34,904 --> 00:31:37,104
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're quite exhausted too.

708
00:31:37,304 --> 00:31:41,024
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that this tour has been going

709
00:31:41,064 --> 00:31:43,584
Speaker 4: on for you know, it's not as there wasn't as

710
00:31:43,624 --> 00:31:45,104
Speaker 4: much of a lead up as there was for the

711
00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:48,384
Speaker 4: first movie. But you know, they must be tired that

712
00:31:48,424 --> 00:31:50,424
Speaker 4: she was in Singapore, then they did she did the

713
00:31:50,464 --> 00:31:53,224
Speaker 4: Governor's Award in la then now they've gone to the

714
00:31:53,264 --> 00:31:55,624
Speaker 4: premiere back in New York City, like they must be,

715
00:31:56,584 --> 00:31:59,824
Speaker 4: so be no matter how many private jets you're flying,

716
00:31:59,824 --> 00:32:01,744
Speaker 4: you're still going to be tired from all of this

717
00:32:01,784 --> 00:32:05,424
Speaker 4: stuff they're doing. So I feel like maybe they've just

718
00:32:05,504 --> 00:32:07,184
Speaker 4: kind of run out of steam a little bit.

719
00:32:07,264 --> 00:32:09,304
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's a tiredness thing, because I

720
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:13,224
Speaker 3: think pressed tours are planned so intensely and so in

721
00:32:13,304 --> 00:32:16,344
Speaker 3: advance that the way this press tour has come out

722
00:32:16,384 --> 00:32:19,664
Speaker 3: feels like very premeditated and very interesting that they've chosen

723
00:32:19,784 --> 00:32:23,184
Speaker 3: to go this route of how they've chosen to roll

724
00:32:23,224 --> 00:32:25,864
Speaker 3: it out so and one of the reasons that this

725
00:32:25,984 --> 00:32:29,304
Speaker 3: story about this guy rushing Ariana has become the biggest

726
00:32:29,304 --> 00:32:31,864
Speaker 3: story from the press tour is that there's been very

727
00:32:31,984 --> 00:32:36,264
Speaker 3: else little to Gana this kind of headline. So like

728
00:32:36,304 --> 00:32:39,744
Speaker 3: with the first press tour, it was this huge, worldwide

729
00:32:39,824 --> 00:32:43,504
Speaker 3: like spectacle, and they did quite a few press junkets,

730
00:32:43,504 --> 00:32:44,984
Speaker 3: like we even had we had them on this pod,

731
00:32:45,104 --> 00:32:47,064
Speaker 3: like they you know, they're doing a lot of press

732
00:32:47,344 --> 00:32:49,544
Speaker 3: this time around. It's so interesting that they're not doing

733
00:32:49,624 --> 00:32:53,304
Speaker 3: press junkets. They're really not doing interviews, like they'll do

734
00:32:53,344 --> 00:32:55,344
Speaker 3: a few kind of late night spots. They've done a

735
00:32:55,344 --> 00:32:58,824
Speaker 3: few little red carpet moments, but it's been so tiny

736
00:32:58,864 --> 00:33:02,464
Speaker 3: and so spaced out, and they're just not really looking

737
00:33:02,864 --> 00:33:06,264
Speaker 3: for those big viral moments. And some people have said

738
00:33:06,264 --> 00:33:08,304
Speaker 3: that they did blow out the budget so much on

739
00:33:08,344 --> 00:33:09,744
Speaker 3: the first press tour, but I don't think that. I

740
00:33:09,784 --> 00:33:11,184
Speaker 3: don't think it's a budget I don't.

741
00:33:11,064 --> 00:33:11,904
Speaker 2: Think it's a budget thing.

742
00:33:11,984 --> 00:33:14,824
Speaker 4: My I was reading this article from Variety that they

743
00:33:14,824 --> 00:33:17,824
Speaker 4: posted last week talking about like the scale back marketing

744
00:33:17,904 --> 00:33:21,624
Speaker 4: of this particular movie. The writer says marketing executives usually

745
00:33:21,664 --> 00:33:23,744
Speaker 4: need to spend big bucks to reintroduce the property after

746
00:33:23,824 --> 00:33:27,424
Speaker 4: lengthy gaps. This wasn't necessary here since Wicked never left

747
00:33:27,424 --> 00:33:30,944
Speaker 4: the public consciousness. The studio showed out roughly ninety million

748
00:33:30,984 --> 00:33:34,224
Speaker 4: on global promotional efforts compared to the with the initial

749
00:33:34,264 --> 00:33:37,064
Speaker 4: films nearly one hundred and fifty million dollar marketing budget,

750
00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:41,984
Speaker 4: So they kind of were relying on the marketing from

751
00:33:42,024 --> 00:33:44,984
Speaker 4: the previous movie to kind of carry them through. Because

752
00:33:45,144 --> 00:33:47,744
Speaker 4: you look back at the Oscars, they performed at the Oscars,

753
00:33:47,984 --> 00:33:50,984
Speaker 4: they had, you know, that one spectacular night. They've kind

754
00:33:50,984 --> 00:33:53,904
Speaker 4: of peppered little things throughout, but it's almost like they

755
00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:57,144
Speaker 4: can rely on some of the goodwill from the previous movie.

756
00:33:57,304 --> 00:33:59,704
Speaker 2: Because people want to see the end of this movie.

757
00:33:59,784 --> 00:34:01,784
Speaker 4: They want to know what happens next if they haven't

758
00:34:01,784 --> 00:34:04,864
Speaker 4: seen the stage show or unfamiliar with the story. But

759
00:34:05,424 --> 00:34:08,184
Speaker 4: because it's not a sequel, it's a it's a continuation

760
00:34:08,904 --> 00:34:12,464
Speaker 4: of an original store, it's like they can rely on

761
00:34:12,504 --> 00:34:13,504
Speaker 4: that a little bit more.

762
00:34:14,344 --> 00:34:16,384
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also just wonder if it's like a source

763
00:34:16,424 --> 00:34:20,104
Speaker 3: of protection for the brand in away, because everyone loved

764
00:34:20,184 --> 00:34:23,224
Speaker 3: the press tour last time until they didn't until they

765
00:34:23,304 --> 00:34:26,824
Speaker 3: started teetering into that backlash that usually happens for female stars,

766
00:34:27,424 --> 00:34:30,584
Speaker 3: where you know, people were making fun of their crying

767
00:34:30,624 --> 00:34:33,504
Speaker 3: and thinking they're being disingenuous and thinking that they were

768
00:34:33,544 --> 00:34:36,544
Speaker 3: putting on a spectacle. And I think if maybe there

769
00:34:36,584 --> 00:34:40,544
Speaker 3: was a conversation behind the scenes of if we go

770
00:34:40,704 --> 00:34:43,384
Speaker 3: that hard again, will there be a bit of public

771
00:34:43,424 --> 00:34:46,064
Speaker 3: backlash the stars when people have fatigue. And also they're

772
00:34:46,184 --> 00:34:49,384
Speaker 3: so deep in Oscar campaigning at the moment, and they're

773
00:34:49,504 --> 00:34:52,544
Speaker 3: so deep in kind of cementing where they want to

774
00:34:52,544 --> 00:34:55,584
Speaker 3: be an award season and the box office is less

775
00:34:55,704 --> 00:34:58,144
Speaker 3: of a because there's no property at the moment, Like

776
00:34:58,144 --> 00:35:00,624
Speaker 3: there's been huge musical properties before that have gone to

777
00:35:00,704 --> 00:35:03,664
Speaker 3: the box office and have not performed well. So I

778
00:35:03,704 --> 00:35:05,944
Speaker 3: think that now they know that the box office success

779
00:35:06,064 --> 00:35:10,264
Speaker 3: is almost guaranteed, they can move more into how they

780
00:35:10,384 --> 00:35:11,944
Speaker 3: want the film to be seen. And I also think

781
00:35:11,984 --> 00:35:14,704
Speaker 3: it's very telling, like even Ariana and Granda was saying

782
00:35:14,704 --> 00:35:16,864
Speaker 3: in one of the very few, like very short red

783
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:20,264
Speaker 3: carpet interviews that they gave. She was saying that they

784
00:35:20,304 --> 00:35:22,664
Speaker 3: were asking her about why she looks different this time around,

785
00:35:22,704 --> 00:35:25,224
Speaker 3: and she said, last time she was leaning into almost

786
00:35:25,224 --> 00:35:27,984
Speaker 3: being Glinda on the press to her, so she kept

787
00:35:28,024 --> 00:35:30,664
Speaker 3: the blonde hair. She was even speaking a Glinda voice.

788
00:35:30,744 --> 00:35:32,344
Speaker 3: She didn't say that, but that's how he kind of knows.

789
00:35:32,424 --> 00:35:33,984
Speaker 3: She was wearing a lot of pink and a lot

790
00:35:34,024 --> 00:35:36,424
Speaker 3: of bedeled looks, and this time her look is more

791
00:35:36,464 --> 00:35:39,064
Speaker 3: toned down. She's gone back to brown hair. And she said,

792
00:35:39,064 --> 00:35:41,104
Speaker 3: this time, I don't want to be I don't want

793
00:35:41,104 --> 00:35:42,864
Speaker 3: people to see me as Glinda. I want people to

794
00:35:42,904 --> 00:35:45,144
Speaker 3: see me as the actress who played her. And it's

795
00:35:45,144 --> 00:35:47,624
Speaker 3: a tiny thing, but yeah, I think it's very much

796
00:35:47,784 --> 00:35:50,984
Speaker 3: leaning into that Oscar campaign and also just kind of

797
00:35:51,104 --> 00:35:53,584
Speaker 3: leaning into I guess all there's also like a reverence

798
00:35:53,664 --> 00:35:56,544
Speaker 3: for it they're trying to lean into as well, and

799
00:35:57,224 --> 00:35:59,584
Speaker 3: it's I guess it is working. But I do kind

800
00:35:59,624 --> 00:36:01,864
Speaker 3: of wish, like not that the press who has been

801
00:36:01,864 --> 00:36:04,064
Speaker 3: a letdown hasn't been a letdown at all, But I

802
00:36:04,104 --> 00:36:06,584
Speaker 3: think I just knowing that this is the last time

803
00:36:06,624 --> 00:36:09,184
Speaker 3: we'll really see them doing this, I think I wanted more,

804
00:36:10,424 --> 00:36:14,304
Speaker 3: wanted more just watching them celebrate and watching them together,

805
00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:16,984
Speaker 3: because the way that you see them behind the scenes,

806
00:36:16,984 --> 00:36:19,024
Speaker 3: Like there's videos of them at the Governor's Awards and

807
00:36:19,224 --> 00:36:23,024
Speaker 3: the Wicked table was popping off, Like Jonathan Bailey is

808
00:36:23,064 --> 00:36:25,424
Speaker 3: like hugging and laughing with Cynthia and Ariana and they

809
00:36:25,464 --> 00:36:26,984
Speaker 3: had John m ch when they're all just having the

810
00:36:27,064 --> 00:36:29,184
Speaker 3: best time, and I kind of just wish that we

811
00:36:29,264 --> 00:36:31,224
Speaker 3: had been allowed to see that instead of to see

812
00:36:31,224 --> 00:36:33,744
Speaker 3: them looking overwhelmed on a red carpet.

813
00:36:34,064 --> 00:36:37,264
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do feel like they there probably is a

814
00:36:37,304 --> 00:36:41,224
Speaker 4: little bit of fatigue there, but Arianna is definitely they

815
00:36:41,224 --> 00:36:43,504
Speaker 4: are campaigning for Ariana to get an oscar.

816
00:36:43,944 --> 00:36:46,304
Speaker 3: My my theor too is I would say.

817
00:36:46,144 --> 00:36:47,104
Speaker 2: So, I would say sy.

818
00:36:47,424 --> 00:36:51,344
Speaker 4: I would say Ariana more so for this movie than

819
00:36:51,384 --> 00:36:52,584
Speaker 4: the previous movie.

820
00:36:52,984 --> 00:36:58,664
Speaker 2: I think Cynthia. Cynthia's character wasn't as powerful in this one.

821
00:36:59,144 --> 00:37:01,144
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think that at all, But we'll say

822
00:37:01,824 --> 00:37:03,544
Speaker 3: to the movie and I don't.

823
00:37:03,384 --> 00:37:06,064
Speaker 4: Know, but I just think I think Arianna is well

824
00:37:06,104 --> 00:37:11,024
Speaker 4: and truly like on that campaign. But people are going

825
00:37:11,104 --> 00:37:13,784
Speaker 4: to really miss not being able to like see them

826
00:37:13,824 --> 00:37:16,464
Speaker 4: as a pair anymore because they've kind of become a

827
00:37:16,504 --> 00:37:22,584
Speaker 4: packaged deal now. Cynthia and Ariana, it's like they're very,

828
00:37:22,704 --> 00:37:27,024
Speaker 4: very enmeshed with each other these days. And because Alphaba

829
00:37:27,184 --> 00:37:30,384
Speaker 4: and Glinda are so immeasured, like we still see like

830
00:37:30,544 --> 00:37:34,504
Speaker 4: Adina Menzel and Kristin channel with Glinda and Alphaba. So

831
00:37:34,944 --> 00:37:36,384
Speaker 4: I think that's going to follow them for the rest

832
00:37:36,384 --> 00:37:38,424
Speaker 4: of their lives. And it's really sad for us Wicked

833
00:37:38,424 --> 00:37:41,704
Speaker 4: fans to like not be able to get more out

834
00:37:41,704 --> 00:37:43,744
Speaker 4: of it, But yeah, I kind of understand why they're

835
00:37:43,784 --> 00:37:44,104
Speaker 4: doing it.

836
00:37:44,264 --> 00:37:46,224
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also feel like when people see the movie,

837
00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:48,184
Speaker 3: they'll just like almost forget all that and it'll just

838
00:37:48,184 --> 00:37:51,784
Speaker 3: be all encompassing emotion. That's how I felt for sure.

839
00:37:52,304 --> 00:37:55,584
Speaker 2: Yes, we know, we saw the tears, we saw the teas.

840
00:37:55,704 --> 00:37:57,664
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's coming in our review guys this week.

841
00:37:57,744 --> 00:38:01,064
Speaker 4: Steach Hind, thanks so much for listening to the Spill today.

842
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843
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844
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