1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,024 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. 4 00:00:26,264 --> 00:00:29,584 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm 5 00:00:29,704 --> 00:00:30,704 Speaker 3: Ed Burnham. 6 00:00:30,304 --> 00:00:31,544 Speaker 2: And I'm Laura Brodnick. 7 00:00:31,704 --> 00:00:33,264 Speaker 3: We had a bit of a fun day yesterday. 8 00:00:33,424 --> 00:00:35,744 Speaker 2: Yes we're We did night one of our spending five 9 00:00:35,864 --> 00:00:38,784 Speaker 2: nights out together this week and so far no bloodshed. 10 00:00:38,984 --> 00:00:41,024 Speaker 2: Although you haven't asked me how I am after my 11 00:00:41,144 --> 00:00:42,464 Speaker 2: near death experience last night? 12 00:00:42,664 --> 00:00:44,064 Speaker 3: What was your near death experience? 13 00:00:44,224 --> 00:00:45,944 Speaker 2: Problie, you don't remember this. So we went to this 14 00:00:46,104 --> 00:00:49,104 Speaker 2: very fancy event with Prime Video to celebrate the end 15 00:00:49,144 --> 00:00:50,744 Speaker 2: of the year. It was like a beautiful rooftop with 16 00:00:50,744 --> 00:00:52,544 Speaker 2: a view of the harbor, and they were also talking 17 00:00:52,584 --> 00:00:54,544 Speaker 2: about a lot of different releases they have coming up. 18 00:00:54,584 --> 00:00:57,464 Speaker 2: That was lovely. And then we shared an uber home 19 00:00:57,944 --> 00:00:59,744 Speaker 2: and we were having the conversation in the back, like 20 00:00:59,904 --> 00:01:02,144 Speaker 2: I thought, a very beautiful conversation about like the what 21 00:01:02,144 --> 00:01:03,784 Speaker 2: we've done with the pod so far, what we. 22 00:01:03,744 --> 00:01:04,824 Speaker 3: Want to do going forward. 23 00:01:05,384 --> 00:01:07,824 Speaker 2: And as we were talking, I felt like a weird 24 00:01:07,864 --> 00:01:09,624 Speaker 2: like a tickle on my arm, and I was like, oh, 25 00:01:09,624 --> 00:01:10,944 Speaker 2: I thought your bag was touch me. So I just 26 00:01:11,024 --> 00:01:12,784 Speaker 2: moved my arm and then I felt it again, like 27 00:01:12,824 --> 00:01:16,224 Speaker 2: a scurry, and I looked down and crawling up my 28 00:01:16,384 --> 00:01:21,304 Speaker 2: arm was the biggest spider I have ever seen. It 29 00:01:21,384 --> 00:01:23,144 Speaker 2: was like the size of a you know, like a 30 00:01:23,184 --> 00:01:25,824 Speaker 2: Selena Gomere's rare beauty blush. How they're really long and 31 00:01:25,864 --> 00:01:30,184 Speaker 2: bulky coars. It was like that, and I went, oh 32 00:01:30,224 --> 00:01:32,664 Speaker 2: my god, there's a massive spider on my arm. And 33 00:01:32,704 --> 00:01:34,384 Speaker 2: I showed you and you did nothing, and then I 34 00:01:34,424 --> 00:01:35,544 Speaker 2: flicked it off onto you. 35 00:01:35,704 --> 00:01:38,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, you flicked it off. So my thing with bugs 36 00:01:38,464 --> 00:01:40,504 Speaker 3: is like I hate them, can't stand. I didn't react 37 00:01:40,544 --> 00:01:43,384 Speaker 3: at all if I see them. If I don't see them, 38 00:01:43,424 --> 00:01:45,784 Speaker 3: it's like they're not there, Okay. So I was like, oh, 39 00:01:45,984 --> 00:01:47,464 Speaker 3: oh well, and then I got out of the car 40 00:01:47,504 --> 00:01:49,064 Speaker 3: because we were at my stof and was like, okay, 41 00:01:49,104 --> 00:01:49,664 Speaker 3: good luck with that. 42 00:01:49,784 --> 00:01:51,504 Speaker 2: And I was so freaked out the whole time, Like 43 00:01:51,544 --> 00:01:53,304 Speaker 2: the Uber driver kept looking in the mirror because they 44 00:01:53,304 --> 00:01:55,944 Speaker 2: could go like every time being the spider was in there. 45 00:01:56,024 --> 00:01:57,904 Speaker 2: And then like I didn't even wait for him to 46 00:01:57,904 --> 00:02:00,344 Speaker 2: stop at my building. I just like opened the door 47 00:02:00,384 --> 00:02:02,664 Speaker 2: and like rolled out while the car was still moving anyway, 48 00:02:02,704 --> 00:02:04,944 Speaker 2: I'm fine, thanks for asking. They didn't bite you. You 49 00:02:04,984 --> 00:02:06,064 Speaker 2: don't know that anyway. 50 00:02:06,184 --> 00:02:08,264 Speaker 3: Really on a trivia of being the real Spider Man. 51 00:02:09,144 --> 00:02:10,784 Speaker 2: Hey, that could have been my origin. Sorry and I 52 00:02:10,824 --> 00:02:12,984 Speaker 2: missed it anyway. Yes, we went to a Prime Video 53 00:02:13,024 --> 00:02:15,744 Speaker 2: event last night and you were a very vocal audience 54 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:17,984 Speaker 2: member when it came to one part of the presentation 55 00:02:18,064 --> 00:02:18,744 Speaker 2: of what was kind. 56 00:02:18,624 --> 00:02:19,704 Speaker 3: Of left some announcements. 57 00:02:19,824 --> 00:02:22,704 Speaker 2: Yes, so they're announcing, like, you know, some big successes 58 00:02:22,704 --> 00:02:24,984 Speaker 2: from this year, like the Idea of You, which we loved, 59 00:02:25,024 --> 00:02:26,064 Speaker 2: and you started screaming at that. 60 00:02:26,264 --> 00:02:26,904 Speaker 3: Oh so good. 61 00:02:27,024 --> 00:02:28,744 Speaker 2: And then they were talking about some things that are 62 00:02:28,744 --> 00:02:31,584 Speaker 2: coming up next year, and one of those was Jacob 63 00:02:31,584 --> 00:02:34,824 Speaker 2: Alordi's new five part series which kind of say it 64 00:02:34,864 --> 00:02:38,104 Speaker 2: is a very serious endeavor, Emily. So it's called The 65 00:02:38,224 --> 00:02:40,904 Speaker 2: Narrow Road to the Deep North, starring Jacob A Lordie. 66 00:02:41,064 --> 00:02:43,184 Speaker 2: It's going to be a five part series. It's based 67 00:02:43,224 --> 00:02:45,984 Speaker 2: on a book or prize winning novel. Like, it's very serious, 68 00:02:46,024 --> 00:02:48,104 Speaker 2: so happy for him. And a picture of Jacob A 69 00:02:48,184 --> 00:02:50,584 Speaker 2: Lordie in the show came up and it was very 70 00:02:50,584 --> 00:02:52,864 Speaker 2: serious and like everyone was quiet, kind of just taking 71 00:02:52,984 --> 00:02:55,944 Speaker 2: in this moment of this amazing Australian drama and I 72 00:02:55,984 --> 00:03:00,664 Speaker 2: looked over to you and I just hear who, and 73 00:03:00,704 --> 00:03:04,024 Speaker 2: the whole room was silent. Let's take a Balaardi, I know. 74 00:03:04,144 --> 00:03:08,024 Speaker 3: Australian National treasure, which then prompted of the woods. Yeah, 75 00:03:08,184 --> 00:03:10,024 Speaker 3: if anyone who would have been screaming, I THOUGHTD have 76 00:03:10,064 --> 00:03:10,304 Speaker 3: been new. 77 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:13,704 Speaker 2: I know I should I left the Queensland team down. No, 78 00:03:13,784 --> 00:03:16,144 Speaker 2: he was up there looking all clean shaven, which got 79 00:03:16,144 --> 00:03:18,024 Speaker 2: people talking for the rest of the night about a 80 00:03:18,024 --> 00:03:19,904 Speaker 2: few photos that were released over the weekend. 81 00:03:20,064 --> 00:03:24,384 Speaker 3: Oh my god, these photos have made my entire week. 82 00:03:24,864 --> 00:03:27,744 Speaker 3: He is the first person who's like sported a beard 83 00:03:27,824 --> 00:03:30,464 Speaker 3: and I'm like, that is not working for you as 84 00:03:30,544 --> 00:03:32,464 Speaker 3: much as does so. 85 00:03:32,504 --> 00:03:34,104 Speaker 2: He was at a film festival, and the thing is, 86 00:03:34,104 --> 00:03:36,264 Speaker 2: no one's talking about the film festival or what he 87 00:03:36,344 --> 00:03:38,424 Speaker 2: was promoting or anything that's coming up. They're just talking 88 00:03:38,424 --> 00:03:40,904 Speaker 2: about these photos that were released where he's got quite 89 00:03:40,944 --> 00:03:45,464 Speaker 2: a full beard. And the Internet in general was hurt, confused, 90 00:03:45,504 --> 00:03:47,304 Speaker 2: and a lot of people are saying get rid of it, 91 00:03:47,384 --> 00:03:50,264 Speaker 2: burn it with fire, to the point where they've gone 92 00:03:50,264 --> 00:03:54,424 Speaker 2: to his girlfriend's Instagram and do YouTube and TikTok and 93 00:03:54,464 --> 00:03:57,944 Speaker 2: all of those things. Olivia Jade, who is his Olivia 94 00:03:58,024 --> 00:04:00,904 Speaker 2: j Yes, the beauty influencer who is his longtime girlfriend, 95 00:04:01,064 --> 00:04:03,704 Speaker 2: and the scandal and Yes, and her mother was full 96 00:04:03,704 --> 00:04:06,184 Speaker 2: House actress Laurie Lochlan who Yes to go to prison 97 00:04:06,224 --> 00:04:08,344 Speaker 2: along with her father for getting her into a university. 98 00:04:08,504 --> 00:04:10,744 Speaker 2: But she didn't want to go to But anyway, it's 99 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:12,984 Speaker 2: either hen nor there. And we're like commenting under all 100 00:04:13,024 --> 00:04:15,184 Speaker 2: of her social media things saying, please tell him to 101 00:04:15,184 --> 00:04:17,384 Speaker 2: get rid of the beer, like to scrub it from 102 00:04:17,424 --> 00:04:19,424 Speaker 2: his face, pull it off. I don't think he looked 103 00:04:19,424 --> 00:04:19,784 Speaker 2: that bad. 104 00:04:19,824 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 3: Come get your man. Yeah, No, he didn't look bad 105 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:23,704 Speaker 3: at all. Like, he doesn't look bad at all. I 106 00:04:23,784 --> 00:04:27,184 Speaker 3: just think it makes him look much older than what 107 00:04:27,224 --> 00:04:27,744 Speaker 3: he really is. 108 00:04:27,704 --> 00:04:29,504 Speaker 2: Which I think is what he's going for. I think 109 00:04:29,544 --> 00:04:30,944 Speaker 2: for a while he's kind of been seen. 110 00:04:31,024 --> 00:04:32,264 Speaker 3: It's going for like old English. 111 00:04:32,464 --> 00:04:36,664 Speaker 2: He sees himself as this very serious like actor of 112 00:04:36,824 --> 00:04:38,904 Speaker 2: you know, Proscede Presley. 113 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:40,624 Speaker 3: One just completely changed. 114 00:04:40,624 --> 00:04:43,784 Speaker 2: What was that Netflix movie series he was in The 115 00:04:43,864 --> 00:04:47,704 Speaker 2: Kissing Breath, Yes, the Kissing Breath, the Kissing Booth movies. 116 00:04:47,824 --> 00:04:50,544 Speaker 2: Someone was like, he's desperately trying to like age himself 117 00:04:50,584 --> 00:04:53,144 Speaker 2: out of a kissing booth movie sequel, just in case 118 00:04:53,184 --> 00:04:53,984 Speaker 2: Netflix still here. 119 00:04:54,024 --> 00:04:56,664 Speaker 3: He was pretty much a kid when he was contract 120 00:04:56,704 --> 00:04:56,904 Speaker 3: for that. 121 00:04:57,544 --> 00:04:59,904 Speaker 2: I think if you were hurt an upset, but if 122 00:04:59,904 --> 00:05:02,384 Speaker 2: you were like personally hurt an upset by Jacob Alordi's beer, 123 00:05:02,464 --> 00:05:03,984 Speaker 2: that's totally fine. Like you don't have to go look 124 00:05:04,024 --> 00:05:05,864 Speaker 2: at it, make your truth, but speak your truth. But 125 00:05:05,864 --> 00:05:07,384 Speaker 2: I would just urge you to maybe go look at 126 00:05:07,384 --> 00:05:09,504 Speaker 2: a few different photos because in some of them he 127 00:05:09,544 --> 00:05:11,464 Speaker 2: did look like a serial killer, and some of them 128 00:05:11,504 --> 00:05:13,744 Speaker 2: he looked like a kind of chic, older French gentleman. 129 00:05:13,744 --> 00:05:16,184 Speaker 2: It just depends the angle and whether he was smiling 130 00:05:16,264 --> 00:05:17,144 Speaker 2: or she's your player. 131 00:05:19,784 --> 00:05:24,864 Speaker 3: So we still have a lot of Wicked news coming out. 132 00:05:24,904 --> 00:05:26,424 Speaker 3: I feel like the film has been out for what 133 00:05:26,544 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 3: three weeks now, two and a bit, two weeks, two 134 00:05:29,544 --> 00:05:32,584 Speaker 3: in a bit, and one piece of news that has 135 00:05:32,624 --> 00:05:35,744 Speaker 3: come out recently is not the fun kind. Marissa Bodi, 136 00:05:35,864 --> 00:05:40,104 Speaker 3: who plays Nasa Rose in Wicked, who's Alphabet's sister, has 137 00:05:40,184 --> 00:05:42,384 Speaker 3: taken to TikTok and she posted a video piece to 138 00:05:42,424 --> 00:05:45,544 Speaker 3: camera that now has over three million views, and she 139 00:05:45,624 --> 00:05:48,184 Speaker 3: was talking about some of the comments that she was 140 00:05:48,224 --> 00:05:51,744 Speaker 3: seeing circulating the internet that has to do with not 141 00:05:51,864 --> 00:05:55,424 Speaker 3: just Nsso Rose as a character, but also her disability, 142 00:05:55,744 --> 00:05:58,424 Speaker 3: and she was kind of voicing her opinion on that 143 00:05:58,664 --> 00:06:01,984 Speaker 3: because she is an authentic wheelchair user as well, and 144 00:06:02,584 --> 00:06:05,624 Speaker 3: the video is so upsetting. Have you watched it? 145 00:06:05,784 --> 00:06:05,984 Speaker 1: Yeah? 146 00:06:06,024 --> 00:06:08,544 Speaker 3: I have, so I'll read a bit about what she says. 147 00:06:08,624 --> 00:06:11,704 Speaker 3: She says, it is absolutely okay to not like a 148 00:06:11,744 --> 00:06:14,504 Speaker 3: fictional character, and I think with this she means I 149 00:06:14,544 --> 00:06:18,024 Speaker 3: also agree. I think Nasa Rose is not the most 150 00:06:18,064 --> 00:06:21,344 Speaker 3: likable character in Wicked, and that's like for both the 151 00:06:21,384 --> 00:06:24,744 Speaker 3: stage production and the movie. She's just like, I don't 152 00:06:24,784 --> 00:06:27,024 Speaker 3: want to spoil like Wicked part two, but if you 153 00:06:27,064 --> 00:06:28,184 Speaker 3: watch the musical, you. 154 00:06:28,144 --> 00:06:30,024 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I mean it depends what you take away 155 00:06:30,024 --> 00:06:32,704 Speaker 2: from the character. She's very different in the books to 156 00:06:32,744 --> 00:06:34,544 Speaker 2: the stage show and then to the movie. And what 157 00:06:34,584 --> 00:06:36,904 Speaker 2: I thought was interesting about the movie is that they 158 00:06:36,984 --> 00:06:40,824 Speaker 2: have given both Alphabet's character and Nasa Rose's character a 159 00:06:40,824 --> 00:06:45,224 Speaker 2: bit more backstory and context. And yeah, she sometimes people 160 00:06:45,224 --> 00:06:46,624 Speaker 2: are like, oh, I don't like that character. But I 161 00:06:46,704 --> 00:06:48,904 Speaker 2: also think that sometimes we just don't like characters who 162 00:06:48,944 --> 00:06:52,104 Speaker 2: act like actual human beings and they're flawed and make mistakes, 163 00:06:52,104 --> 00:06:55,024 Speaker 2: and we don't want to just watch angelic characters doing 164 00:06:55,024 --> 00:06:56,784 Speaker 2: the right thing all the time. I don't think she 165 00:06:56,784 --> 00:06:58,704 Speaker 2: comes across badly in the movie at all. If anything, 166 00:06:58,704 --> 00:07:00,984 Speaker 2: her story is one of the most compelling of how 167 00:07:01,264 --> 00:07:03,344 Speaker 2: it turns out and the choices she makes and what 168 00:07:03,424 --> 00:07:04,144 Speaker 2: she goes through. 169 00:07:04,224 --> 00:07:06,064 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it gets even more wild than that. 170 00:07:06,144 --> 00:07:07,784 Speaker 2: And the second point of Wicked is that no one 171 00:07:07,864 --> 00:07:10,264 Speaker 2: is good or evil, even like the Wizard, like everyone's 172 00:07:10,424 --> 00:07:13,024 Speaker 2: la and it just depends how your choices pan out. 173 00:07:13,184 --> 00:07:15,064 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people didn't see it that way. 174 00:07:15,144 --> 00:07:15,584 Speaker 2: Yeah. 175 00:07:15,664 --> 00:07:18,144 Speaker 3: So she went on to say, I'm going to be 176 00:07:18,184 --> 00:07:20,304 Speaker 3: admitting my bias in a way that I have a 177 00:07:20,304 --> 00:07:22,984 Speaker 3: lot of different feelings on NESSA than a lot of 178 00:07:23,024 --> 00:07:26,104 Speaker 3: you do. And that's totally fine. I think NSSA is complex, 179 00:07:26,144 --> 00:07:29,024 Speaker 3: but that's the beauty of art, Wicked and these characters 180 00:07:29,024 --> 00:07:31,504 Speaker 3: and the movie wouldn't be what it was if there 181 00:07:31,544 --> 00:07:34,984 Speaker 3: weren't different opinions on the characters and who's truly Wicked 182 00:07:35,104 --> 00:07:39,064 Speaker 3: or not. She then said, disability is not fictional at 183 00:07:39,104 --> 00:07:41,544 Speaker 3: the end of the day. Me, Marissa is a person 184 00:07:41,584 --> 00:07:44,224 Speaker 3: that is still disabled and in a wheelchair. So to 185 00:07:44,304 --> 00:07:47,504 Speaker 3: simply low hanging fruit that too many of you are 186 00:07:47,544 --> 00:07:50,904 Speaker 3: comfortable taking. So she was pretty much talking about how 187 00:07:51,024 --> 00:07:54,784 Speaker 3: people aren't just talking about their disdain for the character 188 00:07:54,864 --> 00:07:59,904 Speaker 3: in general, but also like making absolutely disgusting comments on 189 00:08:00,184 --> 00:08:03,464 Speaker 3: her being a wheelchair user. She said that she saw 190 00:08:03,544 --> 00:08:07,624 Speaker 3: comments of people saying that she deserves her disability, like 191 00:08:07,664 --> 00:08:09,504 Speaker 3: they want to push her out of the wheelchair, like 192 00:08:09,544 --> 00:08:13,224 Speaker 3: absolutely her stuff. And we did kind of touch on 193 00:08:13,344 --> 00:08:18,464 Speaker 3: the notion of what we were afraid of with Marissa Bodie, 194 00:08:18,464 --> 00:08:21,864 Speaker 3: who's absolutely brilliant in this role playing someone who is 195 00:08:21,904 --> 00:08:25,144 Speaker 3: authentically in a wheelchair, playing someone in a wheelchair, and 196 00:08:25,184 --> 00:08:26,424 Speaker 3: what the Internet. 197 00:08:25,984 --> 00:08:29,584 Speaker 2: Will do to that. Yeah, it's almost worse than we predicted. 198 00:08:29,904 --> 00:08:31,504 Speaker 2: I think, like, how the hell did this happen? I 199 00:08:31,504 --> 00:08:33,984 Speaker 2: didn't think they'd be in this intense wave of hatred 200 00:08:34,224 --> 00:08:36,144 Speaker 2: at this point in time for this character. And also 201 00:08:36,224 --> 00:08:38,424 Speaker 2: the fact that she's seen so much of it and 202 00:08:38,504 --> 00:08:40,304 Speaker 2: it's kind of like disturbing the way it played out. 203 00:08:40,344 --> 00:08:42,544 Speaker 2: And also what's interesting is like this happened over the weekend. 204 00:08:42,584 --> 00:08:44,344 Speaker 2: So on Saturday I was writing up one of my 205 00:08:44,424 --> 00:08:46,984 Speaker 2: last wicked pieces from the interviews I did, and I 206 00:08:47,024 --> 00:08:49,464 Speaker 2: wrote a feature on Marissa Bodi because I interviewed her 207 00:08:49,504 --> 00:08:51,584 Speaker 2: when she was in Australia, and I was having such 208 00:08:51,584 --> 00:08:53,304 Speaker 2: a lovely time writing it up because her story was 209 00:08:53,304 --> 00:08:55,024 Speaker 2: really funny and her quotes are really funny. We had 210 00:08:55,024 --> 00:08:56,544 Speaker 2: her on the Spills Soul link that you can listen 211 00:08:56,584 --> 00:08:58,064 Speaker 2: to it, and I was putting in a bit more 212 00:08:58,064 --> 00:09:00,064 Speaker 2: information about the fact that she was working as an 213 00:09:00,144 --> 00:09:02,384 Speaker 2: art teacher when she got the call that she got 214 00:09:02,424 --> 00:09:04,384 Speaker 2: wicked and all of these things, and you know, she'd 215 00:09:04,384 --> 00:09:06,304 Speaker 2: have a passport, she's like rushed to get it there 216 00:09:06,424 --> 00:09:08,504 Speaker 2: and there were all these things happening, and how her 217 00:09:08,584 --> 00:09:10,704 Speaker 2: mum had surprised her with tickets to win kid when 218 00:09:10,704 --> 00:09:12,104 Speaker 2: she was a kid, and it was the first time 219 00:09:12,144 --> 00:09:14,384 Speaker 2: she saw someone in a wheelchair on stage, and it 220 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:16,904 Speaker 2: just really stayed with her. And she's such a funny, 221 00:09:16,984 --> 00:09:19,344 Speaker 2: clever person who's also a filmmaker and a teacher and 222 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:21,624 Speaker 2: all these things as well as now being an actress. 223 00:09:22,184 --> 00:09:24,984 Speaker 2: And there's all this good there, and then she's doing 224 00:09:25,024 --> 00:09:27,824 Speaker 2: all of these beautiful interviews where she's talking about the 225 00:09:27,824 --> 00:09:30,104 Speaker 2: complexity of the character and all these sort of things, 226 00:09:30,144 --> 00:09:32,744 Speaker 2: and what people have taken from that is that they're 227 00:09:32,904 --> 00:09:34,784 Speaker 2: making fun of her for being in a wheelchair, Like, 228 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:36,984 Speaker 2: as she's saying, not just the character but her, but 229 00:09:37,024 --> 00:09:39,464 Speaker 2: also neither's okay, and they were like, Oh, why doesn't 230 00:09:39,464 --> 00:09:41,784 Speaker 2: she send up for her sister? Haha, she can't, which 231 00:09:41,864 --> 00:09:43,624 Speaker 2: is also not a funny joke in any way, but 232 00:09:43,744 --> 00:09:46,584 Speaker 2: is pretty disgusting because it's a wheelchair joke. And then yeah, 233 00:09:46,584 --> 00:09:49,224 Speaker 2: people making jokes about wanting to flip her wheelchair or 234 00:09:49,264 --> 00:09:51,544 Speaker 2: saying that if you're bad on the inside, it shows 235 00:09:51,544 --> 00:09:53,464 Speaker 2: on the outside, which I'm like, the whole point of 236 00:09:53,504 --> 00:09:54,464 Speaker 2: Wicked is that it doesn't. 237 00:09:54,704 --> 00:09:58,384 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think what she voiced in the video 238 00:09:58,624 --> 00:10:02,664 Speaker 3: not only about this, but she also really candidly talked 239 00:10:02,664 --> 00:10:05,664 Speaker 3: about how she was scared of making this video in 240 00:10:05,704 --> 00:10:09,184 Speaker 3: the first place because she's like part of the disabled community. 241 00:10:09,264 --> 00:10:11,944 Speaker 3: She says, she's what happens when you like try to 242 00:10:12,024 --> 00:10:15,864 Speaker 3: support yourself, And she says that everyone always says, like, 243 00:10:16,104 --> 00:10:17,864 Speaker 3: just take the joke, just take the joke, and then 244 00:10:17,944 --> 00:10:20,144 Speaker 3: like it's so true, like none of these things happen 245 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:22,944 Speaker 3: in like a singular moment, like it's always piled on. 246 00:10:23,464 --> 00:10:27,704 Speaker 1: Before even being cast in Wicked, I had received comments 247 00:10:27,784 --> 00:10:33,424 Speaker 1: just as me, as Marissa not Nessa, around the or 248 00:10:33,544 --> 00:10:37,144 Speaker 1: around the words of stand up for yourself. I guess 249 00:10:37,144 --> 00:10:42,464 Speaker 1: you can't stand him, etc. These comments aren't original, and 250 00:10:42,624 --> 00:10:46,104 Speaker 1: when these jokes are being made by non disabled strangers 251 00:10:46,584 --> 00:10:50,144 Speaker 1: with a punchline of not being able to walk, it 252 00:10:50,264 --> 00:10:53,664 Speaker 1: very much feels like laughing at rather than laughing with. 253 00:10:54,264 --> 00:10:56,864 Speaker 3: And if she's been going through all of this, like 254 00:10:57,184 --> 00:10:59,584 Speaker 3: from the beginning, like she would have seen everything, and 255 00:10:59,624 --> 00:11:01,624 Speaker 3: it's just so disheartening. 256 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:03,064 Speaker 2: If you get onto the wrong corner of TikTok. At 257 00:11:03,064 --> 00:11:05,144 Speaker 2: the moment, I don't see anyone really saying we hate 258 00:11:05,144 --> 00:11:07,504 Speaker 2: Massa Body, but they're making jokes about her being in 259 00:11:07,544 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 2: a wheelchair, which is exactly the same as like making 260 00:11:10,424 --> 00:11:13,304 Speaker 2: hate joke. And there so there's a whole corner of TikTok, 261 00:11:13,384 --> 00:11:15,824 Speaker 2: especially at the moment, that really hate Nasa Rose. And 262 00:11:15,864 --> 00:11:18,384 Speaker 2: I unfortunately found myself you don't wants the algorithm stop 263 00:11:18,424 --> 00:11:20,624 Speaker 2: serving something because I was searching for Marissa Body videos 264 00:11:20,624 --> 00:11:22,104 Speaker 2: because I was writing that piece on her and I 265 00:11:22,144 --> 00:11:25,784 Speaker 2: wanted to see different interviews with her. Adelaiers to my story, 266 00:11:26,064 --> 00:11:27,664 Speaker 2: and then I got on that corner of TikTok and 267 00:11:27,664 --> 00:11:30,024 Speaker 2: it it's like quite horrendous, and obviously it's her first 268 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:32,184 Speaker 2: big movie. She's looking at everything. You're searching your name, 269 00:11:32,184 --> 00:11:35,144 Speaker 2: you're reading the article, she's been reposting things, and so 270 00:11:35,264 --> 00:11:36,224 Speaker 2: she's seeing all of. 271 00:11:36,184 --> 00:11:37,784 Speaker 3: That and she's the first person in the wheelchair to 272 00:11:37,824 --> 00:11:38,864 Speaker 3: be playing this role exactly. 273 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:40,904 Speaker 2: She's the first person who's actually a wheelchair user in 274 00:11:40,944 --> 00:11:43,184 Speaker 2: the over twenty years that Wicked has been around to 275 00:11:43,264 --> 00:11:45,144 Speaker 2: play that role, which is a huge deal, and I'm like, 276 00:11:45,184 --> 00:11:47,904 Speaker 2: I just wish people would focus on that, and also like, yes, 277 00:11:47,944 --> 00:11:49,784 Speaker 2: there has been a lot of criticism of Wicked over 278 00:11:49,824 --> 00:11:52,704 Speaker 2: the years the way it kind of handles the story 279 00:11:52,704 --> 00:11:54,864 Speaker 2: of disability and other rings. So obviously, like a big 280 00:11:54,904 --> 00:11:58,184 Speaker 2: part of the story is alphab're being treated differently because 281 00:11:58,184 --> 00:12:00,544 Speaker 2: of her skinny color, and there's a whole part, especially 282 00:12:00,544 --> 00:12:02,024 Speaker 2: in the movie, they talk about the fact that she 283 00:12:02,024 --> 00:12:04,584 Speaker 2: doesn't want to change it because she decides later on 284 00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:07,504 Speaker 2: that that's what makes her who she is. But also 285 00:12:07,784 --> 00:12:10,144 Speaker 2: especially in the book and the second movie, there's a 286 00:12:10,184 --> 00:12:14,024 Speaker 2: real narrative around like fixing Nasa Rose, and a whole 287 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:16,864 Speaker 2: part of her story plays into this idea that they'll 288 00:12:16,904 --> 00:12:19,384 Speaker 2: get her to walk with magic. And we don't know 289 00:12:19,384 --> 00:12:21,024 Speaker 2: what's going to happen in part two, but we do 290 00:12:21,104 --> 00:12:23,264 Speaker 2: know that Marissa Body and John m Two, who's the 291 00:12:23,304 --> 00:12:26,144 Speaker 2: director of the two Wicked movies had a big conversation 292 00:12:26,224 --> 00:12:28,304 Speaker 2: about that, and they've made some changes to the script, 293 00:12:28,304 --> 00:12:29,784 Speaker 2: so I don't know what it's going to be, but 294 00:12:29,824 --> 00:12:32,344 Speaker 2: they have done something that's different to the stage musical 295 00:12:32,424 --> 00:12:35,264 Speaker 2: in that scene where the shoes get enchanted and all 296 00:12:35,264 --> 00:12:37,584 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff happens. Not spoiling Wicked too, because 297 00:12:37,584 --> 00:12:39,224 Speaker 2: we haven't seen it. We don't know what's going to happen, 298 00:12:39,384 --> 00:12:42,624 Speaker 2: but like they have taken steps to address people's concerns 299 00:12:42,624 --> 00:12:45,344 Speaker 2: over the years and make it a more inclusive storyline 300 00:12:45,344 --> 00:12:47,384 Speaker 2: so that they're doing all this work behind the scenes. 301 00:12:47,744 --> 00:12:50,304 Speaker 2: Because there's also a story Marissa Bodie tells where she 302 00:12:50,464 --> 00:12:52,624 Speaker 2: was doing the dance scene in the movie with Ethan Slater, 303 00:12:52,664 --> 00:12:55,304 Speaker 2: who plays Bach, and she accidentally tipped over and they 304 00:12:55,304 --> 00:12:56,824 Speaker 2: were talking about that is you know, you just tell 305 00:12:56,864 --> 00:12:58,944 Speaker 2: stories about filming the movie and some people are like, 306 00:12:59,024 --> 00:13:02,024 Speaker 2: oh good, like I would have pushed her, or I'm 307 00:13:02,064 --> 00:13:03,864 Speaker 2: so glad like that happened to her, And I was like, 308 00:13:03,904 --> 00:13:06,584 Speaker 2: this is it's the wrong takeaway for any moment in time, 309 00:13:06,664 --> 00:13:08,984 Speaker 2: but especially for this actress and this press too. I 310 00:13:08,984 --> 00:13:10,264 Speaker 2: can't believe it's gone in this direction. 311 00:13:10,504 --> 00:13:13,384 Speaker 3: I just hope everyone like firstly watches that video like 312 00:13:13,384 --> 00:13:16,344 Speaker 3: it's already has over three million views and really like 313 00:13:16,944 --> 00:13:20,704 Speaker 3: takes that in because it is so upsetting to see 314 00:13:20,744 --> 00:13:22,144 Speaker 3: like the stuff that she has with us. 315 00:13:22,264 --> 00:13:23,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also think, like we were saying in 316 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:25,984 Speaker 2: our brilliant honest review just to kind of finish up, 317 00:13:26,024 --> 00:13:28,704 Speaker 2: is that like supporting Marissa Bodie in this role. But 318 00:13:28,744 --> 00:13:30,584 Speaker 2: I think just supporting her in general, So like, go 319 00:13:30,664 --> 00:13:32,744 Speaker 2: follow her, like her staff, she makes her own movie. 320 00:13:32,824 --> 00:13:35,304 Speaker 2: She's an artist, Like she's incredible. She'd like be supporting 321 00:13:35,344 --> 00:13:37,144 Speaker 2: her in this movie and every other movie. 322 00:13:37,304 --> 00:13:40,224 Speaker 3: If you want to learn more about Marissa body LB 323 00:13:40,424 --> 00:13:42,864 Speaker 3: did a brilliant interview with her. We will link that 324 00:13:42,944 --> 00:13:45,264 Speaker 3: in our show notes. We'll also link our Bridley Honors 325 00:13:45,264 --> 00:13:48,944 Speaker 3: review of Wicked. It apparently is your favorite so far. Yes, 326 00:13:48,984 --> 00:13:51,864 Speaker 3: that's what you said, but yeah, I just like I 327 00:13:52,024 --> 00:13:54,864 Speaker 3: still love like seeing all the other Wicked stuff that's 328 00:13:54,864 --> 00:13:55,504 Speaker 3: been coming out. 329 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:56,264 Speaker 2: It's mostly good. 330 00:13:56,424 --> 00:13:59,544 Speaker 3: It's mostly good, and it's just fun and yeah, just 331 00:13:59,584 --> 00:14:00,984 Speaker 3: don't be mean. 332 00:14:02,304 --> 00:14:05,424 Speaker 2: So we finally have a conclusion to the ongoing legal 333 00:14:05,464 --> 00:14:07,824 Speaker 2: battle that it has been going for over fifteen years. Ah, 334 00:14:07,864 --> 00:14:11,784 Speaker 2: the final chapter, The final chapter between Katy Perry, an 335 00:14:11,824 --> 00:14:17,064 Speaker 2: Australian fashion designer spelled kat Ie Perry and Katy Perry 336 00:14:17,184 --> 00:14:20,864 Speaker 2: spelled kat Y Perry, also known as Catherine Hudson. 337 00:14:21,024 --> 00:14:24,224 Speaker 3: Well the real Katy Perry please. Also neither of them 338 00:14:24,344 --> 00:14:25,584 Speaker 3: real name is Katy Perry. 339 00:14:26,024 --> 00:14:28,784 Speaker 2: Yes, so a bit of background of this, so we 340 00:14:28,904 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 2: could also sue them. Both would want to be Katy Perry. 341 00:14:33,784 --> 00:14:36,704 Speaker 2: So back in twenty nineteen, just crushed your mind. Back there, 342 00:14:36,784 --> 00:14:39,544 Speaker 2: take me back there, Ozzie. Katy Perry, whose real name 343 00:14:39,664 --> 00:14:43,504 Speaker 2: is Katie Jane Taylor, sued the US Katy Perry for 344 00:14:43,624 --> 00:14:46,424 Speaker 2: selling Katy Perry merchandise in Australia. So the singer was 345 00:14:46,464 --> 00:14:48,984 Speaker 2: selling it and then this month, so she was. 346 00:14:48,984 --> 00:14:52,984 Speaker 3: Suing her because she's a designer who was also selling 347 00:14:53,064 --> 00:14:54,224 Speaker 3: under the label Katie Perry. 348 00:14:54,344 --> 00:14:56,224 Speaker 2: Yes, so they were both selling the same name, and 349 00:14:56,264 --> 00:14:59,824 Speaker 2: Australian Katy Perry was saying that she had her trademark. 350 00:14:59,904 --> 00:15:02,344 Speaker 3: She's like, Katy Perry, you can't sell merch with your 351 00:15:02,424 --> 00:15:04,864 Speaker 3: name on it because then people think it's my clothes. 352 00:15:05,024 --> 00:15:08,504 Speaker 2: Okay, wow, good turn. So the court herd that Katy Perry, 353 00:15:08,624 --> 00:15:10,944 Speaker 2: the singer, so her side said that she had honestly 354 00:15:11,024 --> 00:15:13,544 Speaker 2: adopted the Katy Perry name in two thousand and two, 355 00:15:14,024 --> 00:15:18,344 Speaker 2: which was five years before Katie Taylor had started her 356 00:15:18,424 --> 00:15:21,544 Speaker 2: own fashion label under the name Katy Perry in Australia. 357 00:15:22,064 --> 00:15:24,744 Speaker 2: So the judges also found that the Katy Perry trademark 358 00:15:24,824 --> 00:15:27,944 Speaker 2: had been applied for when Taylor, they're saying, already knew 359 00:15:27,984 --> 00:15:32,344 Speaker 2: of the singer's reputation. And they also said that Perry 360 00:15:32,424 --> 00:15:35,424 Speaker 2: had used her name in a trademark in good faith 361 00:15:35,544 --> 00:15:38,944 Speaker 2: during the twenty fourteen Prism tour and had been doing 362 00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:43,104 Speaker 2: so for five years before the Katy Perry Katie Taylor 363 00:15:43,384 --> 00:15:45,824 Speaker 2: in Australia had launched her own business. 364 00:15:46,144 --> 00:15:49,504 Speaker 3: And so okay, so Katie Perry singer, yes, let me 365 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:52,864 Speaker 3: get the straight. Katy Perry singer became Katie Perry and 366 00:15:52,944 --> 00:15:55,384 Speaker 3: then trademark that name and was touring with that name. 367 00:15:55,544 --> 00:15:58,584 Speaker 3: And then only after that Katy Perry the designer also 368 00:15:58,704 --> 00:16:01,344 Speaker 3: decided to call her label Katy Perry and then tried 369 00:16:01,384 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 3: a trademark as well. 370 00:16:02,464 --> 00:16:04,784 Speaker 2: Yes, I should also say that Katy Perry is Istraian 371 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:07,024 Speaker 2: Katy Perry. That's her maiden name. So that's also so 372 00:16:07,184 --> 00:16:08,944 Speaker 2: that's the name that she wanted to put on her 373 00:16:09,024 --> 00:16:12,304 Speaker 2: dec she's really Katie yes, oh, I don't know. They 374 00:16:12,424 --> 00:16:15,384 Speaker 2: both have like histories and everything with them. 375 00:16:15,424 --> 00:16:17,104 Speaker 3: And then when she got married that's wanted to change. 376 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:18,544 Speaker 2: Yes, that's when she changed her name to had the 377 00:16:18,584 --> 00:16:19,984 Speaker 2: same name as her husband, which people do. 378 00:16:20,104 --> 00:16:22,664 Speaker 3: But did she change her name and then make the label? 379 00:16:23,304 --> 00:16:25,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was Katie Taylor and she made the 380 00:16:25,304 --> 00:16:27,944 Speaker 2: clothing label. But then in two thousand and nine she 381 00:16:28,024 --> 00:16:31,144 Speaker 2: applied for the trademark Katie Perry for her clothing and 382 00:16:31,264 --> 00:16:34,504 Speaker 2: has sold that label since two thousand and seven. Because 383 00:16:34,544 --> 00:16:36,584 Speaker 2: she had always been known as Katy Perry to her 384 00:16:36,624 --> 00:16:37,944 Speaker 2: family and friends. It's like her name. 385 00:16:38,104 --> 00:16:40,304 Speaker 3: It sounds like the judge wasn't family and friends? 386 00:16:40,504 --> 00:16:43,704 Speaker 2: Well no, no, that's exactly it. So in twenty twenty 387 00:16:43,744 --> 00:16:46,824 Speaker 2: three there was a ruling that had favored the Australian designer. 388 00:16:46,904 --> 00:16:49,144 Speaker 2: So she was favored. And that's only this week. This 389 00:16:49,264 --> 00:16:50,984 Speaker 2: is why this is back of the news that that 390 00:16:51,104 --> 00:16:55,424 Speaker 2: has been overturned. Oh no, And so in response to 391 00:16:55,664 --> 00:16:59,384 Speaker 2: Katy Perry, the singer's successful appeal, Katie Perry is and 392 00:16:59,464 --> 00:17:02,464 Speaker 2: Katie Taylor has now been ordered for her trademark to 393 00:17:02,544 --> 00:17:04,864 Speaker 2: be deregistered. So what does that mean, she can't sell 394 00:17:04,904 --> 00:17:07,344 Speaker 2: clothes anymore, she can't sell them under that name, so 395 00:17:07,464 --> 00:17:09,464 Speaker 2: she has to change her name. Well, she'd have to 396 00:17:09,544 --> 00:17:12,544 Speaker 2: change everything around. She's not the trademark. Oh that's so 397 00:17:12,744 --> 00:17:15,224 Speaker 2: Katy Perry, the singer's side, so that they had offered 398 00:17:15,264 --> 00:17:19,384 Speaker 2: Katie Australian Katy Perry an offer for a coexistence agreement. 399 00:17:19,704 --> 00:17:22,384 Speaker 2: But Katy Perry Australian Katy Perry says that was never 400 00:17:22,464 --> 00:17:22,824 Speaker 2: the case. 401 00:17:23,104 --> 00:17:24,584 Speaker 3: Oh, so she's saying they didn't do that. 402 00:17:24,824 --> 00:17:26,344 Speaker 2: Well, here's what the judge said. I'm just going to 403 00:17:26,384 --> 00:17:28,984 Speaker 2: say what the judge has said, because he said, having 404 00:17:29,104 --> 00:17:33,184 Speaker 2: rejected that offer, Miss Taylor then chose to commence infringement proceedings. 405 00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:37,384 Speaker 2: In that sense, miss Taylor has brought this result on herself. Unfortunately, 406 00:17:37,504 --> 00:17:39,504 Speaker 2: it is no longer possible to return to the time 407 00:17:39,544 --> 00:17:43,224 Speaker 2: of peace called co existence. But Mama Mia actually interviewed 408 00:17:43,224 --> 00:17:46,504 Speaker 2: the Australian Katy Perry an exclusive yes, and she said 409 00:17:46,544 --> 00:17:50,104 Speaker 2: that that offer never existed and so she's quite upset 410 00:17:50,184 --> 00:17:52,904 Speaker 2: about the appeal going in the way of Katy Perry 411 00:17:52,984 --> 00:17:55,864 Speaker 2: the singer's being in favor of her. So, speaking to 412 00:17:55,904 --> 00:17:57,824 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia this week, she said that When she heard 413 00:17:57,864 --> 00:18:01,304 Speaker 2: the news, I burst into tears and was so shocked. 414 00:18:01,384 --> 00:18:03,624 Speaker 2: I hadn't ever thought that not only was the appeal 415 00:18:03,704 --> 00:18:06,424 Speaker 2: going to be overturned, that I would lose my trademark 416 00:18:06,584 --> 00:18:08,984 Speaker 2: that had seemed out of the realm of possibility. There's 417 00:18:09,024 --> 00:18:10,824 Speaker 2: no sense around it. I think that that's what makes 418 00:18:10,864 --> 00:18:12,464 Speaker 2: it so hard for me to understand. 419 00:18:12,984 --> 00:18:16,144 Speaker 3: Like she started it, It's like she didn't like tried 420 00:18:16,264 --> 00:18:19,384 Speaker 3: to trademark when Katy Perry was in Australia selling merch, 421 00:18:19,544 --> 00:18:21,584 Speaker 3: like this would never have happened. She would have been 422 00:18:21,584 --> 00:18:22,944 Speaker 3: able to keep that label, I know. 423 00:18:23,104 --> 00:18:24,784 Speaker 2: But I also think for a business sense, like if 424 00:18:24,824 --> 00:18:27,184 Speaker 2: you have a business name and you're building a brand around, 425 00:18:27,224 --> 00:18:29,024 Speaker 2: you're putting all your money and time and savings and 426 00:18:29,104 --> 00:18:31,344 Speaker 2: everything into it that you would try and like you're 427 00:18:31,384 --> 00:18:33,704 Speaker 2: supposed to trademark. That's what everyone in business tells you, 428 00:18:34,104 --> 00:18:35,904 Speaker 2: is that you're supposed to own all the you know, 429 00:18:36,064 --> 00:18:39,104 Speaker 2: legalities and trademark and everything around your business, especially if 430 00:18:39,144 --> 00:18:41,104 Speaker 2: someone who's going to be a global superstar is coming 431 00:18:41,184 --> 00:18:42,584 Speaker 2: up with the same name, like you want to get 432 00:18:42,624 --> 00:18:44,304 Speaker 2: in and it's like, but she'd. 433 00:18:44,184 --> 00:18:46,624 Speaker 3: Already come up. That's the issue, right, Like Katy Perry 434 00:18:46,744 --> 00:18:47,984 Speaker 3: was already a stab in it, but I. 435 00:18:47,984 --> 00:18:49,424 Speaker 2: Don't know if she was like the you know, the 436 00:18:49,504 --> 00:18:51,184 Speaker 2: kind of famous person that she is now. But also 437 00:18:51,224 --> 00:18:52,584 Speaker 2: that's the whole point is that you want to get 438 00:18:52,624 --> 00:18:56,984 Speaker 2: the trademark in early. She can't get Yeah, I think 439 00:18:56,984 --> 00:18:57,784 Speaker 2: that's what the court has. 440 00:18:57,784 --> 00:19:00,544 Speaker 3: And just looking at the timeline because she did it 441 00:19:00,744 --> 00:19:03,424 Speaker 3: when Katy Perry was touring in Australia, which was a 442 00:19:03,544 --> 00:19:05,984 Speaker 3: massive tool. Yeah, so she would have been well known 443 00:19:06,464 --> 00:19:08,864 Speaker 3: and selling merch like she should have tried at least. 444 00:19:08,704 --> 00:19:11,144 Speaker 2: Before that, I know. 445 00:19:11,624 --> 00:19:11,784 Speaker 1: You know. 446 00:19:11,864 --> 00:19:13,424 Speaker 2: The awful side of this too is that she was 447 00:19:13,464 --> 00:19:15,864 Speaker 2: also telling Mamma Mia that she was getting trolled again 448 00:19:16,344 --> 00:19:18,464 Speaker 2: and that people were spreading lies about her and that 449 00:19:18,584 --> 00:19:21,184 Speaker 2: she was being really incestantly trolled on Instagram and Facebook. 450 00:19:21,304 --> 00:19:22,704 Speaker 2: This is the thing. You can look at the situation 451 00:19:22,824 --> 00:19:24,824 Speaker 2: and be like, maybe she should have done this or that, 452 00:19:24,984 --> 00:19:27,024 Speaker 2: or maybe she shouldn't have tried to do this trademark 453 00:19:27,024 --> 00:19:29,064 Speaker 2: with that sort of stuff, Like you can have that opinion, 454 00:19:29,144 --> 00:19:30,824 Speaker 2: but I also think like people always just have to 455 00:19:30,904 --> 00:19:34,144 Speaker 2: go into the comments and share like awful threats and things. 456 00:19:34,224 --> 00:19:36,984 Speaker 2: It's very intense. She just wants to make it clear 457 00:19:37,024 --> 00:19:38,984 Speaker 2: that she was born with the name Katy Perry, and 458 00:19:39,024 --> 00:19:41,664 Speaker 2: obviously the singer Katy Perry was born Catherine Hudson, and 459 00:19:41,864 --> 00:19:42,384 Speaker 2: that's true. 460 00:19:42,544 --> 00:19:44,224 Speaker 3: That did she bring that up with the judge because 461 00:19:44,264 --> 00:19:46,064 Speaker 3: I would every. 462 00:19:45,904 --> 00:19:48,984 Speaker 2: Single part of this story and we'll link some articles 463 00:19:49,024 --> 00:19:52,144 Speaker 2: in the show notesgal name was Katy Perry. Yes, No, 464 00:19:52,264 --> 00:19:53,944 Speaker 2: this has been going on for fifteen years. Like the 465 00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:56,264 Speaker 2: courts know everything about these women and their business and 466 00:19:56,584 --> 00:19:59,224 Speaker 2: all the legalities around this. Like every part of information 467 00:19:59,344 --> 00:20:01,504 Speaker 2: has been before the judges. That's why it's taken fifteen 468 00:20:01,584 --> 00:20:04,504 Speaker 2: years to get this sorted. And in the interview, austraying 469 00:20:04,544 --> 00:20:06,224 Speaker 2: Katy Perry was saying, like people have a big thing 470 00:20:06,264 --> 00:20:08,144 Speaker 2: about that, but is it so weird? I changed my 471 00:20:08,224 --> 00:20:09,904 Speaker 2: name to my married name and that's why she goes 472 00:20:09,904 --> 00:20:10,704 Speaker 2: by Katie Taylor. 473 00:20:10,784 --> 00:20:14,264 Speaker 3: Now anyway, thought I understand though I know someone named 474 00:20:14,304 --> 00:20:14,944 Speaker 3: Elton John. 475 00:20:15,504 --> 00:20:17,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, things happen either here nor there. 476 00:20:17,904 --> 00:20:19,424 Speaker 3: I don't like seeing an Australian lose. 477 00:20:19,784 --> 00:20:21,184 Speaker 2: Well, that's a thing anally. We don't want anyone to 478 00:20:21,184 --> 00:20:23,544 Speaker 2: be getting attacked like you're going through a bad enough time. 479 00:20:23,424 --> 00:20:25,504 Speaker 3: And having to change your whole label name. 480 00:20:25,704 --> 00:20:27,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, having to go through that and having that appeal 481 00:20:27,984 --> 00:20:30,344 Speaker 2: go through. Like that's bad enough without having everyone, but 482 00:20:30,464 --> 00:20:33,744 Speaker 2: it's also attacking you online. So the Katie Perry Verse 483 00:20:33,824 --> 00:20:36,584 Speaker 2: Katie Perry legal feud legal agreement has come to an 484 00:20:36,704 --> 00:20:37,304 Speaker 2: end for now. 485 00:20:38,424 --> 00:20:40,904 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 486 00:20:41,184 --> 00:20:43,584 Speaker 3: If you love our Broodley honest review on Wicked and 487 00:20:43,624 --> 00:20:44,984 Speaker 3: you kind of want to see a few clips on 488 00:20:45,064 --> 00:20:47,944 Speaker 3: that we've been posting on Instagram at the Spill podcast, 489 00:20:48,704 --> 00:20:50,624 Speaker 3: you can hear the passion in our voice, but you 490 00:20:50,704 --> 00:20:53,024 Speaker 3: can also watch it. We will link that in our 491 00:20:53,064 --> 00:20:55,624 Speaker 3: show notes. And also while you're there, go follow us, 492 00:20:55,824 --> 00:20:57,984 Speaker 3: send us a DM, give us a like. We really 493 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:00,424 Speaker 3: appreciate it. We will be back here in your podcast 494 00:21:00,464 --> 00:21:01,864 Speaker 3: speed at three pm tomorrow. 495 00:21:02,104 --> 00:21:02,984 Speaker 2: Bye bye,