1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,344 --> 00:00:26,104 Speaker 2: From Mama Mia. 5 00:00:26,304 --> 00:00:29,344 Speaker 1: Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm 6 00:00:29,424 --> 00:00:31,344 Speaker 1: Laura Brednick and I'm m Burnham. 7 00:00:31,424 --> 00:00:34,184 Speaker 2: And on the show today we have the Battle of 8 00:00:34,224 --> 00:00:38,184 Speaker 2: the Royals. We have some updates from both Princess Catherine 9 00:00:38,464 --> 00:00:41,784 Speaker 2: Cape Middleton and Megan Markle. A lot of headlines about 10 00:00:41,784 --> 00:00:44,864 Speaker 2: these two. We will stick into it, but first. 11 00:00:44,704 --> 00:00:46,584 Speaker 1: But first, we had a little date on Saturday. We 12 00:00:47,344 --> 00:00:50,144 Speaker 1: actually packed today. It was the Sydney Film Festival which 13 00:00:50,264 --> 00:00:52,304 Speaker 1: ended this weekend, but lots of events on lots of 14 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:56,064 Speaker 1: prestige events, i'd say, lots of high quality artsy movies. 15 00:00:56,464 --> 00:00:58,544 Speaker 1: And in the midst of all those artsy movies, I 16 00:00:58,664 --> 00:01:01,024 Speaker 1: kicked off my day at the Sydney Film Festival by 17 00:01:01,064 --> 00:01:02,424 Speaker 1: seeing Despicable Me. 18 00:01:02,504 --> 00:01:04,184 Speaker 2: For cinematic masterpiece. 19 00:01:04,624 --> 00:01:07,584 Speaker 1: In my defense, one of my friends who also is 20 00:01:07,584 --> 00:01:12,744 Speaker 1: my boss y editor and Gal Tina, so she had 21 00:01:12,744 --> 00:01:15,304 Speaker 1: two strings to pull there, really wanted to go. And 22 00:01:15,344 --> 00:01:17,424 Speaker 1: despite what some people who listened to this podcast and 23 00:01:17,504 --> 00:01:19,544 Speaker 1: leave comments think, I am a nice person. 24 00:01:19,264 --> 00:01:20,944 Speaker 2: Just want to be clear, and neither of you have kids. 25 00:01:20,984 --> 00:01:22,104 Speaker 2: So the two of you went by. 26 00:01:22,104 --> 00:01:23,904 Speaker 1: Well that was a thing. So it was film festival. 27 00:01:23,944 --> 00:01:25,624 Speaker 1: There were so many kids we got to cut in 28 00:01:25,624 --> 00:01:27,664 Speaker 1: front of them in line because we VIP passes. 29 00:01:27,744 --> 00:01:28,184 Speaker 2: Please. 30 00:01:28,384 --> 00:01:30,504 Speaker 1: We went in. There were minions dancing, and we had 31 00:01:30,544 --> 00:01:32,784 Speaker 1: a whole road to ourselves like vip seeds, and we 32 00:01:32,824 --> 00:01:35,144 Speaker 1: sat down and watched Despicable Me, for which gotta say 33 00:01:35,144 --> 00:01:36,104 Speaker 1: it was actually quite good. 34 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:38,104 Speaker 2: I love the Despicable Me movies. 35 00:01:38,384 --> 00:01:40,704 Speaker 1: I at to come. I didn't invite you, not enough. 36 00:01:40,504 --> 00:01:42,624 Speaker 2: To go and see your premiere full of. 37 00:01:42,624 --> 00:01:44,984 Speaker 1: Kids, but because I was going to a fancy film 38 00:01:45,024 --> 00:01:48,104 Speaker 1: festival event afterwards. I was at the kids premiere on 39 00:01:48,144 --> 00:01:49,864 Speaker 1: a Saturday morning in a long because I didn't have 40 00:01:49,904 --> 00:01:51,344 Speaker 1: time to go home. Well I did, but I went 41 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:53,624 Speaker 1: for a wine instead. Yeah. I was wearing a long 42 00:01:53,704 --> 00:01:55,664 Speaker 1: dress and a black jacket with no kids at a 43 00:01:55,704 --> 00:01:58,424 Speaker 1: kid's premiere. I did look quite dangerous, sorry to anyone 44 00:01:58,424 --> 00:02:00,224 Speaker 1: who saw me there. And then I ran down the 45 00:02:00,304 --> 00:02:02,544 Speaker 1: road in my little heels to meet you. 46 00:02:02,584 --> 00:02:05,864 Speaker 2: To meet me, we went for the premiere of a 47 00:02:05,944 --> 00:02:09,744 Speaker 2: Stan original series called Exposure. We saw the first three 48 00:02:09,824 --> 00:02:12,544 Speaker 2: episodes and I am so hooked. 49 00:02:12,664 --> 00:02:14,864 Speaker 1: It was brilliant, It was good right, And also I 50 00:02:14,864 --> 00:02:17,784 Speaker 1: think what's interesting about Exposure is I mean apart from 51 00:02:17,784 --> 00:02:19,584 Speaker 1: the subject matter, and I thought it was so beautifully 52 00:02:19,624 --> 00:02:21,624 Speaker 1: shot and vic role and I'm so I saw it 53 00:02:21,664 --> 00:02:23,424 Speaker 1: in a cinema, not that everyone else is watching it 54 00:02:23,464 --> 00:02:25,024 Speaker 1: at home on stand, but just I feel like, put 55 00:02:25,024 --> 00:02:27,544 Speaker 1: your phone in another room, turn the lights off, really 56 00:02:27,584 --> 00:02:30,144 Speaker 1: get into it. But it has an all female creative team, 57 00:02:30,184 --> 00:02:32,184 Speaker 1: which we don't see very often. So it was created 58 00:02:32,184 --> 00:02:34,944 Speaker 1: and written by Lucy Coleman, directed by Bonnie Moir, and 59 00:02:35,024 --> 00:02:37,944 Speaker 1: it stars Alice Englett, who is from a movie called 60 00:02:37,944 --> 00:02:40,504 Speaker 1: Beautiful Creatures, which I love and also like Top of 61 00:02:40,504 --> 00:02:42,704 Speaker 1: the Lake and like lots of other movies. Essie Davis 62 00:02:42,744 --> 00:02:44,624 Speaker 1: was in it. And it was so nice seeing all 63 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:47,944 Speaker 1: those women up on stage talking about making this TV 64 00:02:47,984 --> 00:02:50,104 Speaker 1: show together and what they'd gone through and wanting to 65 00:02:50,144 --> 00:02:51,984 Speaker 1: shine a light on the brutality of men and how 66 00:02:52,024 --> 00:02:54,104 Speaker 1: it affects women. And then you turn to me, as 67 00:02:54,144 --> 00:02:56,224 Speaker 1: they were all talking about working together, and you said, 68 00:02:56,824 --> 00:02:59,304 Speaker 1: what did I say say, this is girlhood, this is 69 00:02:59,464 --> 00:03:01,864 Speaker 1: girl I did say that it was so beautiful. 70 00:03:01,904 --> 00:03:03,824 Speaker 2: I feel like we've gone to a lot of premiers 71 00:03:03,864 --> 00:03:07,504 Speaker 2: before where they interview the cast and the producers before 72 00:03:07,624 --> 00:03:09,984 Speaker 2: the film starts, And this is the first one where 73 00:03:10,064 --> 00:03:12,784 Speaker 2: it was all women and they were also singing each 74 00:03:12,824 --> 00:03:13,584 Speaker 2: other's praises. 75 00:03:13,784 --> 00:03:15,624 Speaker 1: Yes, your comment. Yeah. 76 00:03:15,664 --> 00:03:17,544 Speaker 2: Every time the host would ask one of them questions, 77 00:03:17,904 --> 00:03:20,184 Speaker 2: that person would just use that space to talk about 78 00:03:20,224 --> 00:03:22,224 Speaker 2: another woman's standing up there, And I was like, this 79 00:03:22,264 --> 00:03:22,864 Speaker 2: is beautiful. 80 00:03:23,064 --> 00:03:24,424 Speaker 1: That is it one hundred percent when you get a 81 00:03:24,464 --> 00:03:26,904 Speaker 1: bunch of women together to create something. Like the person 82 00:03:26,904 --> 00:03:28,864 Speaker 1: who was hosting would say, like, but you've done this 83 00:03:28,904 --> 00:03:30,864 Speaker 1: amazing job. Tell us about this now, Like no me, 84 00:03:31,064 --> 00:03:34,424 Speaker 1: but like the director, the producer, the lead actress. So 85 00:03:34,944 --> 00:03:38,704 Speaker 1: Exposure is out this Thursday on stand. It's difficult subject matter, 86 00:03:38,744 --> 00:03:41,744 Speaker 1: but kind of important. It follows the main character, Jax, 87 00:03:41,784 --> 00:03:44,744 Speaker 1: who returns to her small hometown after the death of 88 00:03:44,784 --> 00:03:47,384 Speaker 1: her friend. And there's all these kid in secrets about 89 00:03:47,384 --> 00:03:49,664 Speaker 1: what her friend had gone through in the lead up 90 00:03:49,664 --> 00:03:53,464 Speaker 1: to her death, and Jack starts unpicking the men she'd 91 00:03:53,504 --> 00:03:55,984 Speaker 1: been involved with, things that have happened. There's almost like 92 00:03:56,024 --> 00:03:58,624 Speaker 1: a mystery behind this very tragic death. But yeah, I 93 00:03:58,624 --> 00:04:03,664 Speaker 1: thought it was really beautiful. Well over the weekend, the 94 00:04:03,664 --> 00:04:07,104 Speaker 1: Princess of Wales, Catherine made her first official public appearance 95 00:04:07,144 --> 00:04:10,824 Speaker 1: since December, and all of that craziness happened, and it's 96 00:04:10,864 --> 00:04:13,984 Speaker 1: so interesting watching all the videos and pictures of her 97 00:04:14,224 --> 00:04:17,064 Speaker 1: from the weekend, out with her family for the first time, 98 00:04:17,224 --> 00:04:19,784 Speaker 1: and it almost feels like this strange fever dream that 99 00:04:19,784 --> 00:04:22,664 Speaker 1: there was a point in time, very recently where the 100 00:04:22,704 --> 00:04:26,024 Speaker 1: whole world thought she'd been taken captive by her husband's 101 00:04:26,064 --> 00:04:29,224 Speaker 1: mistress or was like locked in a dungeon in the Palace, 102 00:04:29,264 --> 00:04:31,384 Speaker 1: and there's a body double. Some people still believe there 103 00:04:31,424 --> 00:04:33,584 Speaker 1: is a body double out there, out and about, and 104 00:04:33,584 --> 00:04:36,304 Speaker 1: that all these conspiracy theories. And then it came out 105 00:04:36,344 --> 00:04:39,304 Speaker 1: obviously that she had been diagnosed with cancer, and since 106 00:04:39,304 --> 00:04:42,584 Speaker 1: then she's been out of the spotlight since having abdominal 107 00:04:42,664 --> 00:04:46,304 Speaker 1: surgery in January and has been receiving chemotherapy, which the 108 00:04:46,384 --> 00:04:49,104 Speaker 1: Palace says is a preventative measure. She put out a 109 00:04:49,144 --> 00:04:51,704 Speaker 1: statement leading up to this talking about her progress so 110 00:04:51,744 --> 00:04:53,784 Speaker 1: far and thanking people for their help and saying that 111 00:04:53,824 --> 00:04:56,304 Speaker 1: she was trying to learn patients with not knowing what 112 00:04:56,344 --> 00:04:57,744 Speaker 1: was going to come, which I'm sure is a very 113 00:04:57,784 --> 00:05:00,944 Speaker 1: difficult thing. And then she appeared at the trooping of 114 00:05:00,944 --> 00:05:03,544 Speaker 1: the Color, which is a celebration for the King's birthday. 115 00:05:03,984 --> 00:05:07,424 Speaker 1: Very huge event takes over London. I haven't actually seen it, 116 00:05:07,464 --> 00:05:08,904 Speaker 1: so I couldn't tell you the mechanics. All I know 117 00:05:08,944 --> 00:05:11,464 Speaker 1: what the Trooping of the Color is obviously a huge 118 00:05:11,584 --> 00:05:14,704 Speaker 1: parade and situation and massive, so huge, But I think 119 00:05:14,704 --> 00:05:16,584 Speaker 1: a lot of the press that finds us over here 120 00:05:16,584 --> 00:05:19,544 Speaker 1: in Australia is very centered on like what the royal 121 00:05:19,584 --> 00:05:21,664 Speaker 1: family wearing, what they're doing, and the fact that they're 122 00:05:21,664 --> 00:05:24,264 Speaker 1: all up on that big balcony together and that's such 123 00:05:24,264 --> 00:05:27,144 Speaker 1: a huge press moment and leading into this because it 124 00:05:27,184 --> 00:05:29,224 Speaker 1: wasn't no one of Kate was going to attend. In 125 00:05:29,304 --> 00:05:31,704 Speaker 1: the months leading up, there was this idea that that 126 00:05:31,784 --> 00:05:34,944 Speaker 1: balcony for the first time ever without the Queen, without 127 00:05:34,984 --> 00:05:39,184 Speaker 1: Megan and Harry, potentially without Princess Catherine was going to 128 00:05:39,184 --> 00:05:40,224 Speaker 1: look just desolate. 129 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:42,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, just will with all the kids. 130 00:05:42,864 --> 00:05:44,544 Speaker 1: Just will with the kids, being like, I did not 131 00:05:44,584 --> 00:05:46,064 Speaker 1: sign up for this what he kind of did by 132 00:05:46,064 --> 00:05:46,744 Speaker 1: being born. 133 00:05:46,744 --> 00:05:50,064 Speaker 2: Because they had to release a letter she sent saying 134 00:05:50,064 --> 00:05:52,944 Speaker 2: that she wouldn't be able to make rehearsals. Yes, so 135 00:05:53,064 --> 00:05:56,344 Speaker 2: everyone was really scared that she wouldn't make the actual event, 136 00:05:56,984 --> 00:05:59,184 Speaker 2: and it was so interesting. As you said before, it 137 00:05:59,224 --> 00:06:01,864 Speaker 2: felt like before we knew she was diagnosed with cancer 138 00:06:01,904 --> 00:06:04,304 Speaker 2: and she announced that, I could tell like the public 139 00:06:04,344 --> 00:06:07,144 Speaker 2: was getting quite angry that she had just disappeared, and 140 00:06:07,224 --> 00:06:09,784 Speaker 2: like all we knew was that she had abdominal surgery, 141 00:06:10,064 --> 00:06:11,944 Speaker 2: and it's like we were getting angry because we felt 142 00:06:11,984 --> 00:06:14,544 Speaker 2: like she owed us an explanation and then she and 143 00:06:14,584 --> 00:06:17,464 Speaker 2: nown she had cancer, and then everyone was kind of like, oh, sorry, 144 00:06:17,664 --> 00:06:19,384 Speaker 2: went bit quiet, and now it felt like it was 145 00:06:19,384 --> 00:06:22,024 Speaker 2: happening again before she showed up. So it's like we 146 00:06:22,144 --> 00:06:25,464 Speaker 2: have this constant expectation of the royal family always having 147 00:06:25,464 --> 00:06:27,744 Speaker 2: to tell us what they're doing and where they are. 148 00:06:27,944 --> 00:06:30,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the hard line, isn't That's the conversation that 149 00:06:30,184 --> 00:06:32,984 Speaker 1: people were having after her announcement is that it's hard 150 00:06:33,024 --> 00:06:36,464 Speaker 1: when your whole life is of public service, and like 151 00:06:36,544 --> 00:06:39,864 Speaker 1: everything about where you live and your income and how 152 00:06:39,904 --> 00:06:42,304 Speaker 1: you exist is tied to being there for the public 153 00:06:42,344 --> 00:06:44,944 Speaker 1: at public events and then trying to draw the line 154 00:06:44,944 --> 00:06:48,024 Speaker 1: in like what's privacy and what's not. I mean, we 155 00:06:48,064 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 1: don't know what stage of her treatment she's in. She 156 00:06:50,344 --> 00:06:52,664 Speaker 1: looked beautiful, but of course she always does that's you know, 157 00:06:52,664 --> 00:06:55,344 Speaker 1: she always looks very put together, and I was just thinking, oh, 158 00:06:55,424 --> 00:06:57,544 Speaker 1: imagine if you were just feeling so ill that day 159 00:06:57,584 --> 00:06:59,704 Speaker 1: and you have to drag yourself out and be seen 160 00:06:59,744 --> 00:07:02,144 Speaker 1: by millions of people across the world. But then I 161 00:07:02,184 --> 00:07:03,944 Speaker 1: also thought to myself, well, this is a woman who 162 00:07:04,064 --> 00:07:06,184 Speaker 1: has walked down in front of a hospital in a 163 00:07:06,224 --> 00:07:09,584 Speaker 1: tight fitting dress hours after giving birth, with a fresh 164 00:07:09,584 --> 00:07:12,104 Speaker 1: blow jam makeup up and have to wave and smile. 165 00:07:12,184 --> 00:07:13,824 Speaker 1: So I guess that kind of that is that give 166 00:07:13,864 --> 00:07:16,464 Speaker 1: and take, but it's also must be a hard thing 167 00:07:16,504 --> 00:07:19,344 Speaker 1: when so much of the public faciness of the royal 168 00:07:19,384 --> 00:07:21,664 Speaker 1: family is hooked on this person because everyone wants that 169 00:07:21,704 --> 00:07:23,584 Speaker 1: bit of touch of glamour of the royal family, like 170 00:07:23,584 --> 00:07:25,824 Speaker 1: that's our interest in them, or even like people were 171 00:07:25,864 --> 00:07:28,144 Speaker 1: so attached to the queen. The kids are still you 172 00:07:28,184 --> 00:07:30,264 Speaker 1: feel like George and Charlotte and little Louis who is 173 00:07:30,264 --> 00:07:32,024 Speaker 1: did you see that clip where Louis was dancing and 174 00:07:32,104 --> 00:07:34,584 Speaker 1: Charlotte's like, she's such a sister. I felt for her 175 00:07:34,664 --> 00:07:36,784 Speaker 1: so much of having to control your little brother and sister, 176 00:07:36,784 --> 00:07:38,024 Speaker 1: of being like he was having the best time of 177 00:07:38,064 --> 00:07:40,064 Speaker 1: the best time. She's like, put your arms down stand 178 00:07:40,144 --> 00:07:42,184 Speaker 1: up straight. I was like, Oh, she's only a child, 179 00:07:42,224 --> 00:07:44,264 Speaker 1: but she's already got this like duty of her of like, 180 00:07:44,304 --> 00:07:48,784 Speaker 1: how we actually a queen. She's amazing, Princess Charlotte. But 181 00:07:48,824 --> 00:07:51,224 Speaker 1: obviously the kids are like too young really to kind 182 00:07:51,224 --> 00:07:53,144 Speaker 1: of have that glit. So so much of the glamour 183 00:07:53,184 --> 00:07:55,864 Speaker 1: and the hominess and the love of the Royal family 184 00:07:55,904 --> 00:07:57,984 Speaker 1: has been really centered on Cake because like, God bless 185 00:07:57,984 --> 00:08:00,144 Speaker 1: William can't really carry that off by himself. He's always 186 00:08:00,184 --> 00:08:03,384 Speaker 1: been strongest when people view them together. So if she 187 00:08:03,504 --> 00:08:06,264 Speaker 1: hadn't been there, that event just would have, I think 188 00:08:06,344 --> 00:08:08,584 Speaker 1: signaled where the royal family was going in a very 189 00:08:08,624 --> 00:08:10,864 Speaker 1: negative way. So I wonder if that was also part 190 00:08:10,904 --> 00:08:12,784 Speaker 1: of the reason that she had to pull herself out 191 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:14,984 Speaker 1: there and be up on that balcony in some capacity. 192 00:08:15,304 --> 00:08:17,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even realize, because the balcony is the 193 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:20,544 Speaker 2: biggest part, Like it's the part where they are literally 194 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 2: there just to show their appreciation to the public and 195 00:08:23,224 --> 00:08:24,944 Speaker 2: wave and stand there, and they stand there for a 196 00:08:24,984 --> 00:08:28,944 Speaker 2: really long time as well, and imagining her not being 197 00:08:28,944 --> 00:08:31,864 Speaker 2: there alongside everyone else who was want to be there 198 00:08:31,864 --> 00:08:33,184 Speaker 2: would have just looked so dire. 199 00:08:33,504 --> 00:08:36,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But then of course, the very predictable headline 200 00:08:36,784 --> 00:08:40,424 Speaker 1: started springing up around Megan Markle, who wasn't on the 201 00:08:40,464 --> 00:08:43,104 Speaker 1: balcony but still somehow dominated a lot of the new. 202 00:08:43,024 --> 00:08:44,664 Speaker 2: Cycle, the metaphorical balcony. 203 00:08:44,944 --> 00:08:47,224 Speaker 1: She's always on the metaphorical balcony. We're going to get 204 00:08:47,224 --> 00:08:49,304 Speaker 1: into that next. 205 00:08:50,224 --> 00:08:53,664 Speaker 2: So, just like clockwork, a few hours before the trooping 206 00:08:53,664 --> 00:08:56,544 Speaker 2: of the colors took place, the public, which is us, 207 00:08:56,744 --> 00:08:59,664 Speaker 2: were made aware of a little bit of a business 208 00:08:59,744 --> 00:09:05,264 Speaker 2: update from Megan Markele. Her business called American Riviera Orchid. Yes, 209 00:09:05,304 --> 00:09:07,464 Speaker 2: her lifestyle and it's so hard to say that whole thing. 210 00:09:07,544 --> 00:09:09,024 Speaker 1: I've got on ball with it now that I've said 211 00:09:09,064 --> 00:09:10,944 Speaker 1: it so many times in this podcast, and we know 212 00:09:10,984 --> 00:09:13,224 Speaker 1: the origin story of it, that it's where they live 213 00:09:13,304 --> 00:09:16,664 Speaker 1: in California, is called the American Riviera. It all works 214 00:09:16,664 --> 00:09:17,184 Speaker 1: out in the end. 215 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:19,664 Speaker 2: I think that she's just rebranded ar Ro. 216 00:09:20,144 --> 00:09:22,144 Speaker 1: It's the ar not as Chek as I'm sure she 217 00:09:22,144 --> 00:09:22,544 Speaker 1: would like. 218 00:09:22,784 --> 00:09:25,744 Speaker 2: So, just to recap, her initial launch of this brand 219 00:09:25,944 --> 00:09:29,544 Speaker 2: was sending fifty jams yes to her closest friends. One 220 00:09:29,584 --> 00:09:31,504 Speaker 2: of them was Mindy Kaling. We loved it. It was 221 00:09:31,544 --> 00:09:33,824 Speaker 2: strawberry jam. Just letting you know the most average of 222 00:09:33,824 --> 00:09:34,464 Speaker 2: all jams. 223 00:09:34,904 --> 00:09:37,664 Speaker 1: So now she'd starts jam gate again. When we did 224 00:09:37,664 --> 00:09:39,304 Speaker 1: this on the POT at the time, we were just like, oh, 225 00:09:39,504 --> 00:09:42,304 Speaker 1: Megan Michael has launched a lifestyle brand. That's nice. She 226 00:09:42,344 --> 00:09:44,064 Speaker 1: did a mailer, which is what you do when you 227 00:09:44,104 --> 00:09:47,104 Speaker 1: have a new product. She sent out jams in beautiful baskets. 228 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:48,624 Speaker 1: I thought it was very chic. You know, she sent 229 00:09:48,624 --> 00:09:49,944 Speaker 1: it to a lot of famous people, and it was 230 00:09:50,024 --> 00:09:52,304 Speaker 1: very telling who posted and who did it, and then 231 00:09:52,384 --> 00:09:55,344 Speaker 1: you took a lot of personal offense. I'm gonna say 232 00:09:57,664 --> 00:09:59,424 Speaker 1: the flavor of Tim Strawberry. 233 00:09:59,504 --> 00:10:01,304 Speaker 2: I was like, anyway, we'll get into it because you 234 00:10:01,424 --> 00:10:04,104 Speaker 2: have a big update from this. So what happened was 235 00:10:04,144 --> 00:10:06,304 Speaker 2: before the trooping of the colors, we all found out 236 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:09,064 Speaker 2: that she did another send. This would be the second 237 00:10:09,224 --> 00:10:12,504 Speaker 2: scent like males and in her brand. One of her 238 00:10:12,544 --> 00:10:16,104 Speaker 2: closest friends named Najo Figeris, who is also a professional 239 00:10:16,184 --> 00:10:19,704 Speaker 2: polo player, which cool. I didn't know those existed anymore. 240 00:10:20,104 --> 00:10:23,184 Speaker 2: He posted to his Instagram story showing that she sent 241 00:10:23,264 --> 00:10:25,744 Speaker 2: him a package. One of the big things that she's 242 00:10:25,824 --> 00:10:28,064 Speaker 2: doing now is dog biscuits. 243 00:10:28,264 --> 00:10:29,584 Speaker 1: I thought she was going to got a bit more 244 00:10:29,664 --> 00:10:33,224 Speaker 1: high end with like soaps and luxury kids can be 245 00:10:33,224 --> 00:10:36,944 Speaker 1: in my mind. Well, I mean, she has a very 246 00:10:37,064 --> 00:10:40,384 Speaker 1: strong history with dogs. Are you across she has dogs? 247 00:10:40,744 --> 00:10:46,024 Speaker 1: M please, they have many, many dogs. I'm actually quite 248 00:10:46,024 --> 00:10:47,304 Speaker 1: proud of you that you don't know this. I don't 249 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:49,544 Speaker 1: know how this information has seeped into my head over 250 00:10:49,584 --> 00:10:49,944 Speaker 1: the years. 251 00:10:49,984 --> 00:10:51,104 Speaker 2: I'm questioning you right now. 252 00:10:52,144 --> 00:10:54,464 Speaker 1: No. Harry wrote a whole section of it in his book. 253 00:10:54,744 --> 00:10:56,424 Speaker 1: So it was a big deal. When she first had 254 00:10:56,424 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 1: her lifestyle blog, the Tig, the Dogs featured heavily like 255 00:10:59,704 --> 00:11:01,864 Speaker 1: across her instagram, you know, because she was a suits 256 00:11:01,864 --> 00:11:05,984 Speaker 1: actress and lifestyle homemaker guru girl. Everyone loved her. Accusations 257 00:11:05,984 --> 00:11:08,144 Speaker 1: started before the Prince Harry thing that when she was 258 00:11:08,184 --> 00:11:11,144 Speaker 1: getting her rescue dogs, she would always tag and degenerous 259 00:11:11,184 --> 00:11:13,584 Speaker 1: and people thought she's trying to make it look like 260 00:11:13,664 --> 00:11:15,864 Speaker 1: Ellen sorted the dogs for home and they know each other, 261 00:11:15,904 --> 00:11:17,904 Speaker 1: but at the time they didn't. It was that Ellen 262 00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:20,584 Speaker 1: had mentioned this particular dog rescue on her show. 263 00:11:21,144 --> 00:11:22,584 Speaker 2: That's so weird that she had tags. 264 00:11:22,624 --> 00:11:24,464 Speaker 1: I mean, well, she was probably just saying like, oh, yeah, 265 00:11:24,464 --> 00:11:25,944 Speaker 1: I saw this on your show. Thanks. I'm gonna give 266 00:11:25,944 --> 00:11:31,464 Speaker 1: he to the benefit of the dad tag everyone as well, 267 00:11:31,544 --> 00:11:33,464 Speaker 1: thanks Ellen, and she was like, I saw it on 268 00:11:33,464 --> 00:11:34,664 Speaker 1: your TV like a regular. 269 00:11:34,424 --> 00:11:36,784 Speaker 2: Concen Nolan gave her one of her dogs. 270 00:11:36,824 --> 00:11:38,504 Speaker 1: Well that's what people think she was trying to say, 271 00:11:38,504 --> 00:11:40,504 Speaker 1: but anyway, we'll never know that true answer to that. 272 00:11:40,944 --> 00:11:44,784 Speaker 1: So then when Meghan Markle moved to the UK and 273 00:11:44,824 --> 00:11:47,184 Speaker 1: she and Prince Harry first got engaged, one of the 274 00:11:47,184 --> 00:11:49,664 Speaker 1: big mysteries was what had happened to one of her dogs, 275 00:11:49,984 --> 00:11:52,184 Speaker 1: because she had two dogs, called Guy, who was a 276 00:11:52,184 --> 00:11:55,264 Speaker 1: little beagle and bo Guy big yeah, a little biggle. 277 00:11:55,264 --> 00:11:58,384 Speaker 1: Call Guy. He's in the engagement photos and he's little. 278 00:11:58,424 --> 00:12:00,424 Speaker 1: I think he'd had just surgery, so he was like 279 00:12:00,424 --> 00:12:03,944 Speaker 1: little broken legs. They talked about him in the engagement interview. 280 00:12:03,944 --> 00:12:06,184 Speaker 1: Why do I know this? And Harry was like, well, 281 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:07,904 Speaker 1: I'd already got Guy over there, so I feel like 282 00:12:07,904 --> 00:12:10,584 Speaker 1: she couldn't leave me. And also he'd had surgery. I'm like, okay, Harry, 283 00:12:10,624 --> 00:12:13,544 Speaker 1: let's not infer that we're holding dogs hostage in order 284 00:12:13,544 --> 00:12:15,784 Speaker 1: to keep a woman engaged to us, Like, I feel 285 00:12:15,824 --> 00:12:16,424 Speaker 1: like that's a mess. 286 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:18,424 Speaker 2: I'm on the beagle side, as an owner of beagles, 287 00:12:18,424 --> 00:12:21,224 Speaker 2: of two beagles, I'm like, okay, I respect this, So she. 288 00:12:21,264 --> 00:12:22,944 Speaker 1: Brought Guy to the UK with her. Someone's like, that's 289 00:12:22,984 --> 00:12:25,664 Speaker 1: really sweet and lovely. But then they were like, where's Bogart? 290 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:29,664 Speaker 1: Who was her Labrador shepherd mix? And she used to 291 00:12:29,664 --> 00:12:31,224 Speaker 1: when she was in high school work at her. I 292 00:12:31,224 --> 00:12:33,864 Speaker 1: think it was a frozen yogurt shop called Humphrey Yogurt, 293 00:12:34,704 --> 00:12:37,144 Speaker 1: not Humphrey Bogut, the actor Humphrey, And so people thought 294 00:12:37,184 --> 00:12:39,864 Speaker 1: Bogart was named after the yogurt shop, and the yogurt 295 00:12:39,904 --> 00:12:42,544 Speaker 1: shop when she became famous really lent into that. Prince 296 00:12:42,584 --> 00:12:44,784 Speaker 1: Harry gave an interview in October last year, a whole 297 00:12:44,824 --> 00:12:47,104 Speaker 1: interview about the dogs, and he said, we've got a 298 00:12:47,104 --> 00:12:50,584 Speaker 1: black Labrador called Pulla, a rescue beagle called Guy. This 299 00:12:50,624 --> 00:12:55,504 Speaker 1: guy he's still in the mix, and another Reg'm still 300 00:12:55,544 --> 00:12:58,064 Speaker 1: getting out there. He's like, I've outlived all of you. 301 00:12:59,224 --> 00:13:01,104 Speaker 2: I don't even have legs. 302 00:13:01,304 --> 00:13:04,424 Speaker 1: It's living large in the Riviera Ultrait American Revere Utra 303 00:13:04,544 --> 00:13:11,024 Speaker 1: right now. And another rescue beagle called Mama Mia. That's 304 00:13:11,184 --> 00:13:15,024 Speaker 1: a lie. It's not a lie, it says in the interview. 305 00:13:15,064 --> 00:13:18,264 Speaker 1: They call her Mia for sure, but it's not smelled 306 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:21,504 Speaker 1: the same way as that company. It's Mama Space. Mia 307 00:13:21,704 --> 00:13:23,704 Speaker 1: is Harry and Meghan's second rescue. 308 00:13:24,504 --> 00:13:26,504 Speaker 2: She goes by her second name, and she goes. 309 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:28,984 Speaker 1: By Mia because she's like, I don't want the spotlight please. 310 00:13:28,784 --> 00:13:32,144 Speaker 2: This is oh my god, these two. Is she a 311 00:13:32,184 --> 00:13:32,744 Speaker 2: new edition? 312 00:13:33,144 --> 00:13:35,224 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she's made her debut in the press in 313 00:13:35,344 --> 00:13:38,064 Speaker 1: this interview, which was only a few months ago. And 314 00:13:38,144 --> 00:13:40,144 Speaker 1: so yeah, me are the Beagles. 315 00:13:40,144 --> 00:13:42,704 Speaker 2: So she's launched with dog Biscuits to also launch a 316 00:13:42,784 --> 00:13:43,664 Speaker 2: new dog. Yeah. 317 00:13:43,744 --> 00:13:45,584 Speaker 1: I think we're the only ones who are really jumping 318 00:13:45,624 --> 00:13:47,224 Speaker 1: on the train of this new dog. No one else 319 00:13:47,304 --> 00:13:48,704 Speaker 1: is super acrossed. Yeah. 320 00:13:48,744 --> 00:13:51,584 Speaker 2: Wow, we're the first to break the news. Also big 321 00:13:51,624 --> 00:13:55,144 Speaker 2: breaking news. Not only their dog Biscuits and I've been launched, 322 00:13:55,464 --> 00:13:58,824 Speaker 2: but another jam another and I'm happy to say it's 323 00:13:58,944 --> 00:13:59,584 Speaker 2: Raspberry Jam. 324 00:13:59,704 --> 00:14:01,144 Speaker 1: Do you think she listened to our pod depp And 325 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 1: one hundred. 326 00:14:01,864 --> 00:14:04,864 Speaker 2: Percent she listened to our Podepp. She saw my criticism 327 00:14:04,904 --> 00:14:07,184 Speaker 2: of launching strawberry jam and not raspberry jam, which is 328 00:14:07,184 --> 00:14:10,024 Speaker 2: what I said. And now they've launched the Raspberry Jam 329 00:14:10,064 --> 00:14:11,064 Speaker 2: and my work here is done. 330 00:14:11,224 --> 00:14:12,784 Speaker 1: Can I say there's peace in the world. 331 00:14:13,144 --> 00:14:13,864 Speaker 2: It's been restored. 332 00:14:13,904 --> 00:14:15,984 Speaker 1: When I say dog and jam jokes aside, which I 333 00:14:15,984 --> 00:14:18,784 Speaker 1: do apologize for because I started. I do think it 334 00:14:18,864 --> 00:14:22,704 Speaker 1: is quite telling that all of these negative headlines popped 335 00:14:22,784 --> 00:14:26,864 Speaker 1: up around the moment when Princess Catherine came back into 336 00:14:26,864 --> 00:14:29,264 Speaker 1: the public eye. And the idea that's out there with 337 00:14:29,304 --> 00:14:32,224 Speaker 1: all these headlines and comments is people saying that Megan 338 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:35,984 Speaker 1: Markle timed this new release around when Kate would be 339 00:14:35,984 --> 00:14:38,104 Speaker 1: coming out of being out of the public eye because 340 00:14:38,104 --> 00:14:40,024 Speaker 1: of cancer to try and rain on her parade. But 341 00:14:40,064 --> 00:14:41,944 Speaker 1: she did, and I gotta say, I don't think so. 342 00:14:42,144 --> 00:14:44,664 Speaker 2: Oh well, she did it the first time when Kate 343 00:14:44,744 --> 00:14:48,224 Speaker 2: announced she had cancer, and that's when Megan Mirkale announced American. 344 00:14:49,344 --> 00:14:52,944 Speaker 1: I don't that's muddling the timeline Emily a little bit. Obviously, 345 00:14:52,944 --> 00:14:54,544 Speaker 1: the business had been in the works for a really 346 00:14:54,624 --> 00:14:56,584 Speaker 1: long time, and the brand release had been in the 347 00:14:56,624 --> 00:14:59,624 Speaker 1: works for years leading up to this, and they announced 348 00:14:59,704 --> 00:15:03,224 Speaker 1: that the business was launching, and then just after that 349 00:15:03,344 --> 00:15:06,304 Speaker 1: it came out that Catherine had cancer. So I'm sure 350 00:15:06,424 --> 00:15:08,984 Speaker 1: that's not the timing they wanted because then it turns 351 00:15:09,024 --> 00:15:11,624 Speaker 1: everything in their business about being negative, which I guess 352 00:15:11,704 --> 00:15:14,544 Speaker 1: is always gonna happen. But seeing these headlines of Princess 353 00:15:14,584 --> 00:15:17,024 Speaker 1: Catherine bravely re emerges, which is, you know, a very 354 00:15:17,024 --> 00:15:19,304 Speaker 1: fair headline, She's going through a lot. But then the 355 00:15:19,344 --> 00:15:23,424 Speaker 1: headline under that being like Megan Markele capitalizes on Kate's 356 00:15:23,504 --> 00:15:26,464 Speaker 1: cancer by releasing dog biscuits. I just think is really 357 00:15:26,784 --> 00:15:29,664 Speaker 1: and Raspberry Dream is just really drawing a nasty line. 358 00:15:29,664 --> 00:15:31,024 Speaker 1: And it made me think of all the headlines when 359 00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:34,264 Speaker 1: they were both very much in royal life, where a 360 00:15:34,344 --> 00:15:36,184 Speaker 1: headline would come out and it says Kate is so 361 00:15:36,264 --> 00:15:39,064 Speaker 1: she and she enjoys avocado toast, and then it would 362 00:15:39,064 --> 00:15:43,264 Speaker 1: say Meghan Markle loves avocado toast is contributing to environmental 363 00:15:43,264 --> 00:15:46,304 Speaker 1: disaster by eating avocados. And they both had the same 364 00:15:46,384 --> 00:15:48,544 Speaker 1: flowers in their wedding bouquet, which were headlines at the 365 00:15:48,584 --> 00:15:51,344 Speaker 1: time because you have to have these certain flowers. And 366 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,144 Speaker 1: when Kate Middleton walked down the aisle with that bouquet, 367 00:15:54,184 --> 00:15:56,624 Speaker 1: it was like the beautiful history Kate's lovely nod to 368 00:15:56,624 --> 00:15:59,264 Speaker 1: the royal family. When Meghan Markel walked down the aisle 369 00:15:59,264 --> 00:16:03,664 Speaker 1: with the same flowers, publications ran slowers potentially dangerous given 370 00:16:03,664 --> 00:16:06,384 Speaker 1: to Princess Charlotte on Meghan's wedding day, basically saying that 371 00:16:06,424 --> 00:16:08,544 Speaker 1: she was trying to like poison Charlotte by giving her 372 00:16:08,544 --> 00:16:10,544 Speaker 1: a bouquet like these are the you know when you 373 00:16:10,584 --> 00:16:12,544 Speaker 1: put them side by side. So I thought this weekend 374 00:16:13,024 --> 00:16:15,824 Speaker 1: was a very interesting re emergence of that trend of 375 00:16:16,064 --> 00:16:19,224 Speaker 1: two women both doing very separate things, but brought together 376 00:16:19,264 --> 00:16:20,824 Speaker 1: in the headlines in a very negative way. 377 00:16:21,064 --> 00:16:22,864 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like she could have launched your 378 00:16:22,864 --> 00:16:26,264 Speaker 2: Dog Biscuits a bit earlier. I feel it is very close. 379 00:16:26,584 --> 00:16:28,624 Speaker 2: I mean, she's got a lot of time on her hand. Also, 380 00:16:28,664 --> 00:16:30,304 Speaker 2: I do want to say all these products are still 381 00:16:30,304 --> 00:16:31,784 Speaker 2: not available for public purchase. 382 00:16:31,864 --> 00:16:33,624 Speaker 1: I can't wait till you are. We are so whipping 383 00:16:33,664 --> 00:16:37,904 Speaker 1: out the Mama Slash Me after the Dog credit card 384 00:16:37,944 --> 00:16:40,064 Speaker 1: to buy a few of these items to tests. 385 00:16:40,104 --> 00:16:41,904 Speaker 2: Yes, we should do a taste test on the podcast. 386 00:16:41,984 --> 00:16:44,024 Speaker 1: Okay, on the gem, not the dog biscuits. 387 00:16:43,664 --> 00:16:45,824 Speaker 2: On the jam. Thank you so much for listening to 388 00:16:45,864 --> 00:16:48,024 Speaker 2: The Spill today. If you love listening to us, you 389 00:16:48,064 --> 00:16:51,064 Speaker 2: can always follow us on social We're on Instagram at 390 00:16:51,104 --> 00:16:54,064 Speaker 2: the Spill Podcast. Otherwise, we will see you back here 391 00:16:54,064 --> 00:16:56,104 Speaker 2: in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 392 00:16:56,304 --> 00:17:02,424 Speaker 1: Bye bye, Lan