1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,864 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,944 --> 00:00:30,944 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick. 5 00:00:30,664 --> 00:00:33,104 Speaker 1: And I'm Cassane Lukitch and coming. 6 00:00:32,944 --> 00:00:35,464 Speaker 2: Up on the show today, the Kardashians had finished their 7 00:00:35,664 --> 00:00:38,704 Speaker 2: latest reign of TV Terror. I guess some would say 8 00:00:38,744 --> 00:00:41,464 Speaker 2: their latest season of the Kardashians, and there are some 9 00:00:41,584 --> 00:00:45,024 Speaker 2: questions about their fame level the show continuing. We actually 10 00:00:45,064 --> 00:00:48,304 Speaker 2: have some answers about that. We've delved deep behind the scenes. 11 00:00:48,384 --> 00:00:50,944 Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts, so many thoughts. Also, 12 00:00:51,144 --> 00:00:53,264 Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey, I feel like we haven't heard that name 13 00:00:53,304 --> 00:00:53,784 Speaker 2: for a while. 14 00:00:53,984 --> 00:00:57,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor and Travis laying a bit low, which is 15 00:00:57,304 --> 00:00:59,544 Speaker 1: unusual for a Taylor romance. 16 00:00:59,784 --> 00:01:02,304 Speaker 2: Yes, so they've gone into hiding. Some would say, We've 17 00:01:02,344 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 2: got some thoughts on that. Plus, something that was released 18 00:01:04,544 --> 00:01:07,624 Speaker 2: on Travis Kelsey's podcast has angered the Swifties. We're getting 19 00:01:07,624 --> 00:01:10,984 Speaker 2: it into that. But first, probably the most important news 20 00:01:10,984 --> 00:01:11,424 Speaker 2: of the week. 21 00:01:11,544 --> 00:01:14,104 Speaker 1: I love this. I'm actually really really excited about this. 22 00:01:14,184 --> 00:01:15,984 Speaker 2: So I'll try and let my inner fan girl stay 23 00:01:16,024 --> 00:01:16,464 Speaker 2: a little bit. 24 00:01:16,864 --> 00:01:19,264 Speaker 1: So for those of you who are Jane Nelston fans, 25 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:23,344 Speaker 1: Netflix are releasing a Pride and Prejudice series. It's gonna 26 00:01:23,344 --> 00:01:25,784 Speaker 1: be a six part series and they have just announced 27 00:01:25,864 --> 00:01:30,984 Speaker 1: the casting. Jack Loudon is mister darsty emmacorran as Elizabeth 28 00:01:31,024 --> 00:01:35,344 Speaker 1: Bennett and they were actually in The Crown and they 29 00:01:35,504 --> 00:01:40,344 Speaker 1: played a very young lady Die. And then we also 30 00:01:40,384 --> 00:01:43,104 Speaker 1: have Olivia Coleman as Missus Bennett, and Olivia Coleman is 31 00:01:43,144 --> 00:01:45,064 Speaker 1: like one of my all time favorites name. And the 32 00:01:45,144 --> 00:01:47,184 Speaker 1: thing that I'm actually the most excited about is the 33 00:01:47,224 --> 00:01:51,584 Speaker 1: fact that Dolly Alderton is writing the series. Yes, are 34 00:01:51,584 --> 00:01:53,024 Speaker 1: you familiar with Dolly Olderton? 35 00:01:53,504 --> 00:01:55,824 Speaker 2: Yeah, only in the sense that I am such a fangle. 36 00:01:55,864 --> 00:01:57,944 Speaker 2: I've read all her work. I decorated my apartment to 37 00:01:58,024 --> 00:02:00,344 Speaker 2: look like hers, and I have a rule about not 38 00:02:00,504 --> 00:02:03,344 Speaker 2: interviewing anyone who I'm truly obsessed with, so I've had 39 00:02:03,344 --> 00:02:05,104 Speaker 2: to duck out quite a few interviews with her. So 40 00:02:05,144 --> 00:02:06,464 Speaker 2: I guess I know her a little bit. Yeah, I 41 00:02:06,464 --> 00:02:07,704 Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe I'm so cool. 42 00:02:07,864 --> 00:02:09,784 Speaker 1: I mean, Dolly Olderton. If you haven't listened have you 43 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:11,184 Speaker 1: listened to sen Mental garbage. 44 00:02:11,544 --> 00:02:12,904 Speaker 2: It's only my entire life. 45 00:02:12,944 --> 00:02:14,624 Speaker 1: Okay, we've never spoken about it. 46 00:02:14,664 --> 00:02:15,624 Speaker 2: I have the merchant. 47 00:02:15,784 --> 00:02:18,864 Speaker 1: I love sentimental marbage. That's where I was first introduced 48 00:02:18,904 --> 00:02:21,064 Speaker 1: to her. But her first book that she wrote was 49 00:02:21,104 --> 00:02:24,064 Speaker 1: Everything I Know about Love, So she really is kind 50 00:02:24,104 --> 00:02:28,344 Speaker 1: of a carry Bradshaw of the modern era. So it's 51 00:02:28,384 --> 00:02:32,544 Speaker 1: like the perfect person to rewrite Pride and Prejudice. Now, 52 00:02:32,624 --> 00:02:35,024 Speaker 1: what she has said is that Jane Nelson's Pride and 53 00:02:35,064 --> 00:02:37,744 Speaker 1: Prejudice is a blueprint for romantic comedy. It's been a 54 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:39,464 Speaker 1: joy to deelve back into the page just to find 55 00:02:39,504 --> 00:02:42,344 Speaker 1: both familiar and fresh ways of bringing this beloved book 56 00:02:42,344 --> 00:02:45,224 Speaker 1: to life. Now, the thing I love about this is 57 00:02:45,304 --> 00:02:47,864 Speaker 1: that it is going to be true to the original 58 00:02:47,904 --> 00:02:50,304 Speaker 1: source material, so we are going to be set in 59 00:02:50,344 --> 00:02:54,344 Speaker 1: the early nineteenth century. But I think that because Dolly 60 00:02:54,384 --> 00:02:56,984 Speaker 1: Alderton's writing it, I think some of that whip smart 61 00:02:57,064 --> 00:03:00,704 Speaker 1: comedy will be really a big part of it. 62 00:03:01,144 --> 00:03:05,104 Speaker 2: And yes, absolutely so. She is like quite well versed 63 00:03:05,144 --> 00:03:07,544 Speaker 2: in adapting written works, so she adapted her book Everything 64 00:03:07,544 --> 00:03:09,704 Speaker 2: I Know about Love, which I want to out myself 65 00:03:09,704 --> 00:03:11,104 Speaker 2: as a basic bit. But I love it. I have 66 00:03:11,144 --> 00:03:12,784 Speaker 2: it in my desk story here at Moama because I 67 00:03:12,824 --> 00:03:14,544 Speaker 2: lent it to so many women. I have my copy 68 00:03:14,544 --> 00:03:16,384 Speaker 2: at home and the copy I learned out to people. 69 00:03:16,744 --> 00:03:19,064 Speaker 2: She adapted that book into a TV series which is 70 00:03:19,104 --> 00:03:22,064 Speaker 2: on stand now. It's incredible she's written other books. I 71 00:03:22,064 --> 00:03:23,464 Speaker 2: think a lot of people fell in love with her 72 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:25,184 Speaker 2: on the High Low, which was one of the first big, 73 00:03:25,224 --> 00:03:28,384 Speaker 2: you know, worldwide podcasts to break out, and what she 74 00:03:28,504 --> 00:03:31,464 Speaker 2: said about adapting Pride and Prejudice, because as much as 75 00:03:31,464 --> 00:03:34,024 Speaker 2: everyone loves Dolly Alderton, it is a bit of a 76 00:03:34,024 --> 00:03:36,944 Speaker 2: tricky path because Pride and Prejudice is such a beloved 77 00:03:36,984 --> 00:03:40,304 Speaker 2: story and everyone has very strict ideas of what they 78 00:03:40,424 --> 00:03:42,744 Speaker 2: think the story should be and how it should roll out. 79 00:03:43,064 --> 00:03:45,704 Speaker 2: And I love that Dolly kind of acknowledged that in 80 00:03:45,744 --> 00:03:49,104 Speaker 2: her announcement where she said, each generation, someone new gets 81 00:03:49,104 --> 00:03:51,944 Speaker 2: to tell this story. And I'm really excited to try 82 00:03:51,984 --> 00:03:54,624 Speaker 2: my hand at the ultimate romantic comedy, which is very 83 00:03:54,664 --> 00:03:56,184 Speaker 2: much what Pride and Prejudice is. 84 00:03:56,664 --> 00:03:58,544 Speaker 1: And the fact that it has been this has been 85 00:03:58,584 --> 00:04:02,744 Speaker 1: adapted so many times. Yes, we've got TV series obviously. 86 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:04,584 Speaker 1: The one that probably most people would know is the 87 00:04:04,624 --> 00:04:06,384 Speaker 1: Cure Knightley version. 88 00:04:06,744 --> 00:04:07,824 Speaker 2: Is it the one people? 89 00:04:07,864 --> 00:04:10,144 Speaker 1: Well, isn't the Colin Firth series. 90 00:04:10,744 --> 00:04:12,304 Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't mean to get emotional, but the thing is, 91 00:04:12,344 --> 00:04:14,064 Speaker 2: you can't say the words I would whisper these. This 92 00:04:14,144 --> 00:04:17,104 Speaker 2: is like saying beetlejuice multiple times in the mayor office. 93 00:04:17,184 --> 00:04:20,104 Speaker 2: Don't say Pride and prejudice because it's the only time 94 00:04:20,224 --> 00:04:24,104 Speaker 2: our staff have proper fights. Because everyone has their pride 95 00:04:24,144 --> 00:04:25,864 Speaker 2: and we're all really cool, by the way, and fun 96 00:04:25,864 --> 00:04:28,064 Speaker 2: to hang out with. It's the only time our staff 97 00:04:28,064 --> 00:04:31,224 Speaker 2: get into proper fights because everyone has their version of 98 00:04:31,264 --> 00:04:33,264 Speaker 2: Pride and Prejudice that they think is the best one, 99 00:04:33,544 --> 00:04:34,864 Speaker 2: and all the others are trash. 100 00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:35,984 Speaker 1: Which is your favorite? 101 00:04:36,344 --> 00:04:39,144 Speaker 2: It's obviously the nineteen ninety five version the series. It's 102 00:04:39,144 --> 00:04:43,424 Speaker 2: the BBC adaptation with Jennifer Eel as Elizabeth Darcy Colin 103 00:04:43,544 --> 00:04:46,984 Speaker 2: Firth as mister Darcy. It won so many awards. It's 104 00:04:47,024 --> 00:04:49,664 Speaker 2: the one that stays most true to the book, and 105 00:04:49,704 --> 00:04:51,224 Speaker 2: I just think it's the ultimate. 106 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:56,104 Speaker 1: Okay, but won a bunch of oscars. I was dominated 107 00:04:56,104 --> 00:04:57,144 Speaker 1: for a bunch of it's. 108 00:04:57,224 --> 00:04:59,904 Speaker 2: They were coasting on the source material. Look, I know 109 00:05:00,024 --> 00:05:02,624 Speaker 2: for a lot of people. I know for a lot 110 00:05:02,664 --> 00:05:05,584 Speaker 2: of people that the two thousand and five Kurreen Knightley 111 00:05:05,664 --> 00:05:09,264 Speaker 2: version with Matthew McFadden as mister Darcy is their version. 112 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:11,144 Speaker 2: And look, I did watch it once because I didn't 113 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:13,304 Speaker 2: want to rubbish something I hadn't seen. And if that's 114 00:05:13,344 --> 00:05:15,744 Speaker 2: your version, that's okay, that's between you and your god. 115 00:05:15,824 --> 00:05:18,784 Speaker 2: But for other people, it's the BBC, and there was one. 116 00:05:18,824 --> 00:05:21,064 Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many adaptations. For some people, it's 117 00:05:21,064 --> 00:05:22,344 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty version. 118 00:05:22,664 --> 00:05:25,904 Speaker 1: There's even like, you know, the Bridget Jones's Diaries, Yeah, 119 00:05:25,984 --> 00:05:27,064 Speaker 1: kind of an adaptation. 120 00:05:27,264 --> 00:05:30,264 Speaker 2: No, it is, you know Page for Paige. Adaptations got 121 00:05:30,304 --> 00:05:33,344 Speaker 2: the exact same plot, twist, the same caricatures, and they 122 00:05:33,504 --> 00:05:35,864 Speaker 2: went so far as to bring what I would say, 123 00:05:36,584 --> 00:05:40,104 Speaker 2: mister Darcy into play mister Darcy. So that's what actually 124 00:05:40,144 --> 00:05:42,504 Speaker 2: people are upset about with this new adaptation. So people 125 00:05:42,584 --> 00:05:44,464 Speaker 2: love that Netflix are doing it because they feel like 126 00:05:44,504 --> 00:05:47,464 Speaker 2: it's time for a new generation to find their version 127 00:05:47,544 --> 00:05:50,024 Speaker 2: so we can keep having this fight forever. So people 128 00:05:50,064 --> 00:05:52,304 Speaker 2: love that Dolly is doing it. They love that Olivia 129 00:05:52,344 --> 00:05:54,344 Speaker 2: Coleman is playing Missus Bennett because I feel. 130 00:05:54,144 --> 00:05:56,504 Speaker 1: Like she loved Olivia Coleman and she was born. 131 00:05:56,344 --> 00:05:57,984 Speaker 2: To play Missus Bennett. I was like, hasn't she already 132 00:05:58,024 --> 00:05:58,624 Speaker 2: done much. 133 00:05:58,504 --> 00:06:00,344 Speaker 1: No, and that's the thing I was actually looking. I 134 00:06:00,344 --> 00:06:02,624 Speaker 1: was like, she not done Pride and Prejudice, but she 135 00:06:02,664 --> 00:06:05,864 Speaker 1: did The Favorite, which is obviously, yes, a period Olivia 136 00:06:05,904 --> 00:06:08,944 Speaker 1: Commen does a lot of period paces Favorite. She's done 137 00:06:08,944 --> 00:06:10,864 Speaker 1: The Crown like she is kind. 138 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:12,504 Speaker 2: Of She's got the Missus Bennett Viabe down. 139 00:06:12,544 --> 00:06:15,864 Speaker 1: She's well versed in that area, so I think she's 140 00:06:15,944 --> 00:06:19,144 Speaker 1: just the perfect casting for that. Emma Corn, I think 141 00:06:19,184 --> 00:06:23,664 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting and interesting that as much. 142 00:06:23,824 --> 00:06:26,184 Speaker 2: I see it more after Nosferatu, which I know is 143 00:06:26,184 --> 00:06:27,984 Speaker 2: a plot twist, I'm sure people would think The Crown. 144 00:06:28,144 --> 00:06:31,144 Speaker 2: They were amazing as Princess Diana. They also just show 145 00:06:31,184 --> 00:06:33,544 Speaker 2: they can kind of do anything by starring in Deadpool 146 00:06:33,584 --> 00:06:34,264 Speaker 2: and Wolverine. 147 00:06:34,304 --> 00:06:38,704 Speaker 1: They are definitely very talented. There's absolutely no question about it. 148 00:06:38,704 --> 00:06:41,384 Speaker 2: It's the mister Darcy casting that has people. 149 00:06:42,944 --> 00:06:46,824 Speaker 1: He's not even that red. So the whole thing is 150 00:06:46,864 --> 00:06:48,824 Speaker 1: that it is because he's a redhead, he can't play 151 00:06:48,864 --> 00:06:52,024 Speaker 1: mister Darcy. But my thing is like, why does that matter? 152 00:06:52,664 --> 00:06:54,944 Speaker 2: He's not even that red. I love that. We'll just 153 00:06:54,984 --> 00:06:56,984 Speaker 2: like he's not We'll just debate the redness of his 154 00:06:57,024 --> 00:06:59,704 Speaker 2: hair around him, whether he's hot or not. No, Jack Clauden, 155 00:06:59,744 --> 00:07:01,984 Speaker 2: I think is an interesting choice. He also is like 156 00:07:02,064 --> 00:07:04,544 Speaker 2: mostly a stage actor, but he's done movies like Warren 157 00:07:04,584 --> 00:07:08,144 Speaker 2: Peace and Mary Queen of Scott's where he met his 158 00:07:08,304 --> 00:07:10,984 Speaker 2: now wife, Sir Sharonett. And I just think they're they're 159 00:07:10,984 --> 00:07:13,904 Speaker 2: married and married. They don't talk about it too much. 160 00:07:13,904 --> 00:07:15,704 Speaker 2: They just confirmed that they got married in the last 161 00:07:15,704 --> 00:07:18,304 Speaker 2: few years in Edinburgh, but they've been together for a 162 00:07:18,344 --> 00:07:20,304 Speaker 2: long time. And I think if he's hot enough for 163 00:07:20,344 --> 00:07:22,624 Speaker 2: Sersha Roden, he's hot enough for the rest of us. Also, 164 00:07:23,184 --> 00:07:26,184 Speaker 2: I wouldn't love someone trying to mimic Colin Firth, like 165 00:07:26,264 --> 00:07:28,664 Speaker 2: it's already kind of become a little bit of like 166 00:07:28,664 --> 00:07:30,824 Speaker 2: a pop culture joke and a fun way. Like in fact, 167 00:07:30,824 --> 00:07:33,784 Speaker 2: in the latest adaptation of Bridget Jones, Leo Woodall, who 168 00:07:33,824 --> 00:07:35,944 Speaker 2: is you know, the young hot guy who's hooking up 169 00:07:35,984 --> 00:07:39,104 Speaker 2: with Bridget after Colin Firth's character has died, does an 170 00:07:39,104 --> 00:07:41,704 Speaker 2: homage to his most iconic moment from Pride and Prejudice 171 00:07:41,704 --> 00:07:43,544 Speaker 2: where he jumps into the lake and pulls off his 172 00:07:43,584 --> 00:07:46,944 Speaker 2: wet shirt, and so that has almost become a parody now. 173 00:07:46,984 --> 00:07:48,624 Speaker 2: So I feel like if you do the same thing. 174 00:07:48,904 --> 00:07:51,224 Speaker 2: It's going to feel really diluted, like everyone's just trying 175 00:07:51,264 --> 00:07:52,384 Speaker 2: to mimic Colin Firth. 176 00:07:52,584 --> 00:07:54,464 Speaker 1: I think also as well. I mean, I know mister 177 00:07:54,584 --> 00:07:57,104 Speaker 1: Darcy is meant to be this the love he is, 178 00:07:57,184 --> 00:08:01,104 Speaker 1: the protagonist love interest. He's also supposed to be a 179 00:08:01,184 --> 00:08:05,024 Speaker 1: little bit annoying in the beginning. Well that's the thing, 180 00:08:05,064 --> 00:08:05,304 Speaker 1: I know. 181 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:08,664 Speaker 2: That's that's the part of it exactly. Pride and Preduss 182 00:08:08,664 --> 00:08:10,944 Speaker 2: is the ultimate enemies to love Us story, which is 183 00:08:10,984 --> 00:08:12,824 Speaker 2: my favorite rom com trope. And I think that Jack 184 00:08:12,904 --> 00:08:16,624 Speaker 2: Laddin gives off this like very aloof ruguish kind of 185 00:08:16,664 --> 00:08:19,264 Speaker 2: demeanor along with being a really sexy redhead, and I 186 00:08:19,304 --> 00:08:21,184 Speaker 2: just think it's time for a redheaded mister Darcy. I 187 00:08:21,224 --> 00:08:22,904 Speaker 2: think that's what That's what Netflix is going to be, 188 00:08:22,904 --> 00:08:23,984 Speaker 2: like their point of difference. 189 00:08:24,104 --> 00:08:27,104 Speaker 1: I like it. I'm into it. So they starting filming 190 00:08:27,304 --> 00:08:30,424 Speaker 1: later on this year and Netflix haven't announced a specific 191 00:08:30,464 --> 00:08:33,144 Speaker 1: release date, but it's looking like either the end of 192 00:08:33,184 --> 00:08:34,944 Speaker 1: this year or early next year. 193 00:08:36,864 --> 00:08:38,744 Speaker 2: So once upon a time, well pretty much in the 194 00:08:38,784 --> 00:08:42,584 Speaker 2: last year or so, you couldn't open Instagram TikTok magazines 195 00:08:42,584 --> 00:08:45,024 Speaker 2: if you were still buying them without seeing Taylor Swift 196 00:08:45,024 --> 00:08:47,984 Speaker 2: and Travis Kelce just plastered everywhere, and most of us 197 00:08:48,024 --> 00:08:50,264 Speaker 2: welcome this because it was this kind of fun love 198 00:08:50,304 --> 00:08:52,744 Speaker 2: story of you know, the popular girl in high school 199 00:08:52,784 --> 00:08:54,944 Speaker 2: falling in love with the jock and having this whole, 200 00:08:54,944 --> 00:08:58,104 Speaker 2: big public romance. And the last time we really saw 201 00:08:58,144 --> 00:09:00,544 Speaker 2: them was at the super Bowl this year, but it 202 00:09:00,544 --> 00:09:02,704 Speaker 2: wasn't quite the kind of fairy tale that the first 203 00:09:02,744 --> 00:09:04,584 Speaker 2: super Bowl they had when they were together. You know, 204 00:09:04,624 --> 00:09:06,504 Speaker 2: when she was like up watching the stands with Blake Live. 205 00:09:06,624 --> 00:09:09,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, with all the bangles, Yeah, exactly. 206 00:09:09,344 --> 00:09:11,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a real choice. And we saw Taylor 207 00:09:11,824 --> 00:09:14,464 Speaker 2: when Travis Kelsey's team one run down to the field 208 00:09:14,504 --> 00:09:16,624 Speaker 2: may have this epic kiss. It felt like the end 209 00:09:16,704 --> 00:09:20,384 Speaker 2: of a movie. Whereas this year Travis Kelsey's team lost, 210 00:09:20,424 --> 00:09:23,384 Speaker 2: he was pictured like looking quite sad and distressed about it. 211 00:09:23,664 --> 00:09:25,984 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift was seen with his parents jumping into a 212 00:09:26,024 --> 00:09:28,664 Speaker 2: car and speeding away from the venue. And we really 213 00:09:28,664 --> 00:09:30,624 Speaker 2: haven't seen much of them since, which I guess is 214 00:09:30,664 --> 00:09:33,024 Speaker 2: to be expected because he's in the off season from football. 215 00:09:33,384 --> 00:09:36,264 Speaker 2: She's finished touring, finished her latest album released. She was 216 00:09:36,344 --> 00:09:39,064 Speaker 2: kind of just everywhere, and now they've gone into hiding, 217 00:09:39,144 --> 00:09:41,664 Speaker 2: so their names haven't been in the news cycle until 218 00:09:41,704 --> 00:09:45,224 Speaker 2: this week when the podcast that Travis Kelcey host with 219 00:09:45,304 --> 00:09:48,864 Speaker 2: his brother Jason kelce called New Heights put out a 220 00:09:48,904 --> 00:09:51,744 Speaker 2: little questionnaire to their audience, which most podcasts do. They 221 00:09:51,744 --> 00:09:53,984 Speaker 2: put out a questionnaire to sort of see what you 222 00:09:54,024 --> 00:09:56,704 Speaker 2: want more of, what keeps you there, what you don't want, 223 00:09:56,744 --> 00:09:59,864 Speaker 2: to see why you're there, yes, exactly, to get some 224 00:09:59,944 --> 00:10:03,504 Speaker 2: audience feedback. And so this questionnaire was released by The 225 00:10:03,544 --> 00:10:07,624 Speaker 2: Wondering Network, which hosts the podcast. And again it's very 226 00:10:07,664 --> 00:10:10,744 Speaker 2: basic podcasting stuff. And I should say that this Kelsey 227 00:10:10,744 --> 00:10:14,024 Speaker 2: brothers podcast was already quite popular before he started dating 228 00:10:14,024 --> 00:10:16,704 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift in twenty twenty three, but obviously when their 229 00:10:16,744 --> 00:10:20,304 Speaker 2: relationship became public, the numbers and interest in this podcast 230 00:10:20,384 --> 00:10:22,744 Speaker 2: absolutely skyrocketed. I do know women who didn't even know 231 00:10:22,784 --> 00:10:25,144 Speaker 2: football existed, no shade to that. I barely don't exist 232 00:10:25,184 --> 00:10:26,984 Speaker 2: as well. Now I don't who would listen to this 233 00:10:27,064 --> 00:10:29,544 Speaker 2: podcast because Travis would drop little you know, he talked 234 00:10:29,544 --> 00:10:31,024 Speaker 2: about his life and Taylor's part of his life, so 235 00:10:31,064 --> 00:10:34,024 Speaker 2: we drop little tidbits. So the questionnaire came out and 236 00:10:34,064 --> 00:10:37,344 Speaker 2: the Swifties are not happy because you can go through 237 00:10:37,384 --> 00:10:39,344 Speaker 2: and tick what brings you to the podcast. So there's 238 00:10:39,384 --> 00:10:43,144 Speaker 2: options like, I was drawn to the football specific commentary, 239 00:10:43,664 --> 00:10:45,944 Speaker 2: not me, but others might be. Or I'm drawn to 240 00:10:45,984 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 2: the Kelsey family dynamic because obviously they share a lot 241 00:10:48,584 --> 00:10:51,224 Speaker 2: about their family and Jason shares about his wife who 242 00:10:51,264 --> 00:10:53,264 Speaker 2: people love, and their kids and all that sort of stuff. 243 00:10:53,624 --> 00:10:55,744 Speaker 2: Or you could tick this option, which read I was 244 00:10:55,824 --> 00:10:58,944 Speaker 2: drawn to the prospect of hearing details and clues about 245 00:10:58,984 --> 00:11:02,344 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's life and her relationship with Travis. Or you 246 00:11:02,384 --> 00:11:04,864 Speaker 2: could also tick I like feeling like part of a 247 00:11:04,904 --> 00:11:09,304 Speaker 2: community that supports Taylor's happiness outside of her music. Now 248 00:11:09,584 --> 00:11:11,104 Speaker 2: that all sounds very very nice, right. 249 00:11:11,344 --> 00:11:14,624 Speaker 1: Yes, what do you think about that? I actually just. 250 00:11:14,544 --> 00:11:16,784 Speaker 2: Think it's fine. I should say what a lot of 251 00:11:16,784 --> 00:11:19,384 Speaker 2: the Swifties have written as this has been shared. They've 252 00:11:19,384 --> 00:11:23,144 Speaker 2: said it's gross, they said it's tasteless. They think that basically, 253 00:11:23,184 --> 00:11:26,024 Speaker 2: they're trying to say that the chasing are clout tracing 254 00:11:26,064 --> 00:11:28,184 Speaker 2: and they're trying to cash in on Taylor Swift's fame. 255 00:11:28,864 --> 00:11:31,664 Speaker 2: Now I'm not even sure that the Kelsey brothers would 256 00:11:31,664 --> 00:11:33,184 Speaker 2: know this questionnaire went out right. 257 00:11:33,264 --> 00:11:35,504 Speaker 1: That was going to be my first point. So for 258 00:11:35,584 --> 00:11:40,064 Speaker 1: people who don't know a podcast has produced, they have 259 00:11:40,144 --> 00:11:43,704 Speaker 1: a marketing team, and a podcast like that, particularly backed 260 00:11:43,704 --> 00:11:47,784 Speaker 1: by someone like Wandery, will have a massive team behind them. 261 00:11:48,104 --> 00:11:52,464 Speaker 1: I'm very, very very highly doubt that Travis and Jason 262 00:11:52,464 --> 00:11:54,064 Speaker 1: are sitting there writing this questionnaire. 263 00:11:54,184 --> 00:11:56,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Otherwise that would be very hand. 264 00:11:56,344 --> 00:11:58,384 Speaker 1: It is not likely that that's what happened. 265 00:11:58,704 --> 00:12:00,904 Speaker 2: I just think it's more interesting, whether it's the Kelsey 266 00:12:00,904 --> 00:12:04,864 Speaker 2: brothers or their podcast team, how aware they are of 267 00:12:04,904 --> 00:12:07,464 Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift effect, which of course they would because 268 00:12:07,464 --> 00:12:09,624 Speaker 2: you know, with podcasts you get your daily numbers, and 269 00:12:09,624 --> 00:12:12,064 Speaker 2: they would have seen their number skyrocket as soon as 270 00:12:12,104 --> 00:12:13,504 Speaker 2: he mentioned that he was going to give her a 271 00:12:13,504 --> 00:12:16,104 Speaker 2: friendship bracelet at her concert. What I kind of thought 272 00:12:16,184 --> 00:12:18,304 Speaker 2: was more interesting that they think that this is so 273 00:12:18,424 --> 00:12:20,904 Speaker 2: much the public domain, that people are so invested in 274 00:12:20,944 --> 00:12:23,504 Speaker 2: their relationship that it would be okay to put this 275 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,944 Speaker 2: like I'm sure they never thought there'd be any backlash 276 00:12:25,944 --> 00:12:29,904 Speaker 2: to this, because it looks like they're supporting Taylor Swift 277 00:12:29,984 --> 00:12:32,144 Speaker 2: through the questionnaire, like it's such an innocent thing. But 278 00:12:32,184 --> 00:12:34,064 Speaker 2: I think it just goes to show how intense her 279 00:12:34,104 --> 00:12:37,424 Speaker 2: fandom is, and also the fact that Taylor and Travis 280 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:39,784 Speaker 2: appear to have disappeared that I feel like people are 281 00:12:39,784 --> 00:12:41,944 Speaker 2: almost grasping for anything to do with them. 282 00:12:42,024 --> 00:12:44,784 Speaker 1: I think it's also really important to note that just 283 00:12:44,824 --> 00:12:49,584 Speaker 1: because the majority of people in our world didn't know 284 00:12:49,624 --> 00:12:54,784 Speaker 1: who Travis and Jason Kelcey were, your sports bros. Yeah, 285 00:12:54,864 --> 00:12:57,624 Speaker 1: like they were very, very big before he started dating 286 00:12:57,664 --> 00:13:02,144 Speaker 1: exactly before started dating Taylor. Like, there is nothing about 287 00:13:02,184 --> 00:13:05,984 Speaker 1: this that people who are new to the podcast, maybe 288 00:13:05,984 --> 00:13:10,304 Speaker 1: they did start listening because of the Taylor Swift relationship. Absolutely, 289 00:13:10,504 --> 00:13:14,544 Speaker 1: that podcast, as you said, was very popular beforehand. They 290 00:13:14,664 --> 00:13:17,624 Speaker 1: had an audience. I don't think that clout chasing is 291 00:13:17,784 --> 00:13:22,264 Speaker 1: right because they've already got enough clout from their people. Yeah. Yeah, 292 00:13:22,424 --> 00:13:23,344 Speaker 1: the sports bros. 293 00:13:24,144 --> 00:13:26,624 Speaker 2: It's some accurate market data of like how many clips 294 00:13:26,664 --> 00:13:29,304 Speaker 2: they should be releasing of Taylor Swift. What I find 295 00:13:29,304 --> 00:13:32,184 Speaker 2: more interesting than this little questionnaire coming out into the 296 00:13:32,224 --> 00:13:34,824 Speaker 2: world and there's like handful of people. I'm sure you know, 297 00:13:34,824 --> 00:13:37,344 Speaker 2: they're always the loudest of people who are upset about it. 298 00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:40,464 Speaker 2: What I find more interesting is the mechanics of Taylor 299 00:13:40,464 --> 00:13:42,864 Speaker 2: Swift and Travis staying out of the public eye, because 300 00:13:43,144 --> 00:13:45,144 Speaker 2: it does feel like they've had to put a lot 301 00:13:45,184 --> 00:13:48,504 Speaker 2: of planning into not being seen for such an extended 302 00:13:48,504 --> 00:13:51,344 Speaker 2: period of time, because even though they're not working usually 303 00:13:51,384 --> 00:13:53,664 Speaker 2: when they have like their little breaks between touring or 304 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:56,224 Speaker 2: football and stuff, they're always seen, like you know, on 305 00:13:56,224 --> 00:13:58,384 Speaker 2: the streets of New York and going to dinner and 306 00:13:58,424 --> 00:14:01,144 Speaker 2: going to like different events and things. And it seems 307 00:14:01,144 --> 00:14:03,864 Speaker 2: that they've put this plan in place, which we know 308 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:06,184 Speaker 2: celebrities can get around without being seen if they want to, 309 00:14:06,584 --> 00:14:08,704 Speaker 2: but they've gone to these extreme levels to never be 310 00:14:08,704 --> 00:14:10,344 Speaker 2: seen at dinner, never be seen on their whole day, 311 00:14:10,464 --> 00:14:13,184 Speaker 2: has never been seen in the streets, or their cars 312 00:14:13,224 --> 00:14:14,984 Speaker 2: are not seen going in and out their properties for 313 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:17,904 Speaker 2: such long time. It really does feel like they've dropped 314 00:14:17,944 --> 00:14:20,344 Speaker 2: off the face of the earth. And I guess some 315 00:14:20,344 --> 00:14:22,544 Speaker 2: people are tying it to the whole Blake Lively thing. 316 00:14:23,064 --> 00:14:26,424 Speaker 1: I think that is probably something that's quite plausible, to 317 00:14:26,424 --> 00:14:28,864 Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, she may just want to step 318 00:14:28,904 --> 00:14:31,344 Speaker 1: back and kind of take a little moment, you know. 319 00:14:31,384 --> 00:14:33,704 Speaker 1: A source speaking to Page six said that Swift and 320 00:14:33,784 --> 00:14:36,344 Speaker 1: Kelsey are just enjoying an escape, which I think is 321 00:14:36,464 --> 00:14:41,224 Speaker 1: also reasonable. They said, the insider I'm using inverted comments 322 00:14:41,264 --> 00:14:43,344 Speaker 1: because we never know if these insiders are real people. 323 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,664 Speaker 2: It's not a page six somehows, yeah, they talk to someone, 324 00:14:46,704 --> 00:14:47,864 Speaker 2: but no offense page six. 325 00:14:47,864 --> 00:14:49,944 Speaker 1: It could be a fabricy like there's who knows what 326 00:14:49,984 --> 00:14:52,544 Speaker 1: this insider or this source is that there's not a 327 00:14:52,584 --> 00:14:54,784 Speaker 1: lot there. But you know, maybe they're just a home relaxing. 328 00:14:54,824 --> 00:14:56,864 Speaker 1: Maybe they're just chilling out, or maybe they're broken up 329 00:14:56,864 --> 00:14:58,424 Speaker 1: and everything's about to explodes. 330 00:14:58,504 --> 00:15:00,104 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I mean that would have great content 331 00:15:00,144 --> 00:15:01,344 Speaker 2: for us, but not good for the rest of the 332 00:15:01,344 --> 00:15:03,584 Speaker 2: world who would have to take time off. What I 333 00:15:03,584 --> 00:15:06,144 Speaker 2: think is what contributed to it is a little bit 334 00:15:06,184 --> 00:15:09,824 Speaker 2: potentially of that whole Blake Lively situation, because as we know, 335 00:15:10,104 --> 00:15:11,664 Speaker 2: it's kind of died down for the moment because the 336 00:15:11,704 --> 00:15:13,784 Speaker 2: trial is still over a year away. But with the 337 00:15:13,784 --> 00:15:16,544 Speaker 2: whole thing of Blake Lively putting out those allegations against 338 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:19,904 Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni and then suing him, and then him countersuing her, 339 00:15:20,224 --> 00:15:22,424 Speaker 2: and him building a whole website to pull this information 340 00:15:22,504 --> 00:15:24,504 Speaker 2: about her, Taylor Swift is named in all of that. 341 00:15:24,904 --> 00:15:27,024 Speaker 2: It came out that Taylor Swift was upset about that 342 00:15:27,624 --> 00:15:30,464 Speaker 2: and that they weren't speaking anymore. But then recent stories 343 00:15:30,464 --> 00:15:32,624 Speaker 2: that have popped up have said that the two are 344 00:15:32,704 --> 00:15:35,504 Speaker 2: very much in contact and a friend still, which I 345 00:15:35,544 --> 00:15:37,624 Speaker 2: thought was the case, but I think it's more interesting 346 00:15:38,104 --> 00:15:41,064 Speaker 2: that all of these articles that their friendship is okay, 347 00:15:41,184 --> 00:15:43,384 Speaker 2: all of these like mentions have started to pop up 348 00:15:43,424 --> 00:15:47,584 Speaker 2: everywhere because as we know, Likelif's publicist Tree Paine, who 349 00:15:47,784 --> 00:15:49,504 Speaker 2: works harder than anyone else in the world, and I 350 00:15:49,544 --> 00:15:51,264 Speaker 2: think it's the most powerful person in the world that's 351 00:15:51,304 --> 00:15:54,824 Speaker 2: not even a joke, is always out there pulling leavers, moving, 352 00:15:54,904 --> 00:15:57,064 Speaker 2: you know, different things around, getting people to mention things, 353 00:15:57,104 --> 00:16:00,144 Speaker 2: bearing stories. And if that's the main story we're seeing 354 00:16:00,184 --> 00:16:02,264 Speaker 2: about Taylor Swift at the moment, it must because she 355 00:16:02,304 --> 00:16:04,344 Speaker 2: and her team want that to be the main story. 356 00:16:04,784 --> 00:16:08,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think as well. I mean, Taylor is one 357 00:16:08,064 --> 00:16:09,704 Speaker 1: of the people who I like to describe as a 358 00:16:09,744 --> 00:16:13,584 Speaker 1: love hard person. Some people are a little bit more private, 359 00:16:13,744 --> 00:16:16,384 Speaker 1: and this is not a criticism at all, but some 360 00:16:16,424 --> 00:16:20,424 Speaker 1: people just love really hard and want that PDA and 361 00:16:20,904 --> 00:16:24,304 Speaker 1: out with their partners. We know every single relationship because 362 00:16:24,344 --> 00:16:28,464 Speaker 1: she is a love hard kind of person. So the 363 00:16:28,544 --> 00:16:30,864 Speaker 1: fact that it's dropped off, I think that's why people 364 00:16:30,944 --> 00:16:33,064 Speaker 1: have just sort of gone, oh, what's going on here, 365 00:16:33,064 --> 00:16:35,824 Speaker 1: because that doesn't seem a lot like her. But you're right, 366 00:16:35,904 --> 00:16:40,304 Speaker 1: maybe this is a pr move. Let's lay low, let 367 00:16:40,344 --> 00:16:44,704 Speaker 1: this lively stuff just sort of settle down. Also, the 368 00:16:44,744 --> 00:16:47,704 Speaker 1: sports bros when they lose, when their teams lose, they 369 00:16:47,704 --> 00:16:48,824 Speaker 1: can give it very sad. 370 00:16:49,224 --> 00:16:51,504 Speaker 2: I know, well, yeah, it really an emotional time. 371 00:16:51,584 --> 00:16:53,504 Speaker 1: Maybe he's just sad and he doesn't want to be 372 00:16:53,544 --> 00:16:54,224 Speaker 1: out and about. 373 00:16:54,504 --> 00:16:56,584 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think basically he's in the off season. I 374 00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:58,944 Speaker 2: think she knows how visible she's been, and now she's 375 00:16:58,944 --> 00:17:01,024 Speaker 2: plotting new music and she knows that the world she 376 00:17:01,344 --> 00:17:05,424 Speaker 2: means plotting writing same thing for her. She's putting together 377 00:17:05,464 --> 00:17:07,464 Speaker 2: like new music and that's going to kind of burst 378 00:17:07,544 --> 00:17:10,304 Speaker 2: onto the world stage soon. Then she's going to be everyone. 379 00:17:10,624 --> 00:17:13,104 Speaker 2: So she's just taking some time out of the spotlight. 380 00:17:13,104 --> 00:17:15,304 Speaker 2: But until then, fill in the Kelsey Brothers survey if 381 00:17:15,304 --> 00:17:16,944 Speaker 2: you want to. I guess I have it. Maybe I will, 382 00:17:17,144 --> 00:17:20,304 Speaker 2: I'll teck. Have you ever listened to it? No? No, 383 00:17:20,464 --> 00:17:22,744 Speaker 2: I've listened to some sections. Again a basic bitch. I've 384 00:17:22,744 --> 00:17:25,904 Speaker 2: listened to the tailsift sections when we've been reporting on it. 385 00:17:25,984 --> 00:17:28,424 Speaker 2: But I can't say I'm like a die hard Kelsey 386 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:30,304 Speaker 2: Brothers fan. But I think they're fine. 387 00:17:30,344 --> 00:17:32,384 Speaker 1: But this is why they need to do this fact. 388 00:17:32,464 --> 00:17:32,904 Speaker 2: Exactly. 389 00:17:32,984 --> 00:17:34,624 Speaker 1: I need to see who's listening to the right. 390 00:17:34,744 --> 00:17:36,824 Speaker 2: Well, I won't, I won't muck around and tick. I'm 391 00:17:36,824 --> 00:17:38,784 Speaker 2: here for football, I'll tick, I'm here for tailerstift. So 392 00:17:38,784 --> 00:17:40,224 Speaker 2: they're getting the right data. 393 00:17:40,184 --> 00:17:43,264 Speaker 1: As a podcast to yourself, Laura Broadband, No you do 394 00:17:43,384 --> 00:17:45,504 Speaker 1: not the Smirch today. 395 00:17:45,704 --> 00:17:47,144 Speaker 2: I know they're pretty much our colleagues. 396 00:17:47,344 --> 00:17:54,704 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Okay, So Season six of the Kardashians has 397 00:17:55,184 --> 00:17:59,664 Speaker 1: just finished. They just had this season finale, and I've 398 00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:01,384 Speaker 1: got a couple of thoughts. 399 00:18:01,424 --> 00:18:04,504 Speaker 2: You've got some feedback, so want some feedback, friendly feedback, now, 400 00:18:04,544 --> 00:18:05,344 Speaker 2: just a little. 401 00:18:05,064 --> 00:18:06,944 Speaker 1: Bit of a history, A little bit of a history. 402 00:18:06,984 --> 00:18:10,064 Speaker 1: Lesson here. Keeping Up with the Kardashians two thousand and 403 00:18:10,064 --> 00:18:13,024 Speaker 1: seven to twenty twenty one on the E network, which 404 00:18:13,064 --> 00:18:17,064 Speaker 1: I'm familiar with. Then after twenty twenty one they moved 405 00:18:17,104 --> 00:18:20,904 Speaker 1: across to Hulu and in Australia it's on Disney Plus. 406 00:18:21,144 --> 00:18:23,264 Speaker 1: So they're on season six of the Kardashians, which is 407 00:18:23,304 --> 00:18:25,144 Speaker 1: not called Keeping Up with the Kardashians, So if you're 408 00:18:25,144 --> 00:18:27,544 Speaker 1: not familiar with that, it is two separate shows. Yes. 409 00:18:28,064 --> 00:18:32,384 Speaker 1: My thoughts, however, are that I feel like the show 410 00:18:32,584 --> 00:18:36,944 Speaker 1: has now gone on for so long it has lost 411 00:18:37,304 --> 00:18:43,824 Speaker 1: its spark. Interesting, now we know why they do this show. Primarily, 412 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:46,224 Speaker 1: they're doing this show to promote all of their products, 413 00:18:46,224 --> 00:18:49,304 Speaker 1: whether it's perfumes, whether it's you know, skims and Nike 414 00:18:49,704 --> 00:18:54,384 Speaker 1: doing this multimillion dollar deal, whether it's a makeup, whatever 415 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:57,984 Speaker 1: they're doing, that is what they primarily use this show for. 416 00:18:58,464 --> 00:19:02,024 Speaker 1: But I feel like in the climate of today, people 417 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:08,184 Speaker 1: are no longer as interested in what they're doing in 418 00:19:08,224 --> 00:19:10,264 Speaker 1: their day to day lives, and I think there's a 419 00:19:10,664 --> 00:19:12,984 Speaker 1: couple of reasons for that. One of the reasons, I 420 00:19:13,024 --> 00:19:17,384 Speaker 1: think first is that one, they've become more guarded because 421 00:19:17,544 --> 00:19:20,784 Speaker 1: they're wanting to protect certain parts of their lives because again, 422 00:19:20,824 --> 00:19:24,144 Speaker 1: they've been followed around by cameras since two thousand and seven, 423 00:19:24,584 --> 00:19:28,544 Speaker 1: that's a really long time. And then the other thing 424 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:31,104 Speaker 1: that I think it is is that people just aren't 425 00:19:31,144 --> 00:19:34,144 Speaker 1: as interested in it anymore. And we know that because 426 00:19:34,144 --> 00:19:40,864 Speaker 1: the ratings are significantly lower and they're just taking each season. 427 00:19:40,984 --> 00:19:44,104 Speaker 1: They are not getting the same amount of eyeballs on 428 00:19:44,144 --> 00:19:47,424 Speaker 1: the show as they used to. Now, they haven't released 429 00:19:47,544 --> 00:19:50,784 Speaker 1: the actual numbers for this season six yet, but the 430 00:19:50,864 --> 00:19:55,184 Speaker 1: general consensus is that the ratings are trending downwards now. 431 00:19:55,384 --> 00:19:57,664 Speaker 1: Apparently Chris jan now you know our original mom and 432 00:19:57,744 --> 00:20:01,544 Speaker 1: Jar is like frantically behind the scenes trying to make 433 00:20:01,544 --> 00:20:03,944 Speaker 1: sure that all of her daughters are still keen on 434 00:20:04,024 --> 00:20:06,664 Speaker 1: doing this because she knows how much of a cash 435 00:20:06,704 --> 00:20:09,464 Speaker 1: cow it is. There are some reports that a lot 436 00:20:09,504 --> 00:20:12,464 Speaker 1: of the girls just don't want to be doing it anymore. 437 00:20:12,504 --> 00:20:15,864 Speaker 1: They don't want to be sharing their lives like this anymore. Also, 438 00:20:15,904 --> 00:20:20,064 Speaker 1: I feel like because when they've released the show, these 439 00:20:20,104 --> 00:20:23,064 Speaker 1: are things that have happened like four months prior, so 440 00:20:23,224 --> 00:20:26,384 Speaker 1: it's already been in the news cycle, it's already been 441 00:20:26,424 --> 00:20:29,384 Speaker 1: on TikTok, it's already been on Instagram. People kind of 442 00:20:29,424 --> 00:20:32,304 Speaker 1: already know what the story is. There's not that much 443 00:20:32,424 --> 00:20:35,664 Speaker 1: new information that gets let out. And I think one 444 00:20:35,704 --> 00:20:38,824 Speaker 1: of the most interesting one was Kylie Jenner walked in 445 00:20:38,864 --> 00:20:43,264 Speaker 1: the Kopeni show at Fashion Weg and she did this 446 00:20:43,344 --> 00:20:46,944 Speaker 1: whole vlog on it on her TikTok. They used that 447 00:20:47,064 --> 00:20:52,944 Speaker 1: footage in the episode of The Kardashians Like nothing new 448 00:20:52,984 --> 00:20:55,784 Speaker 1: about it, so it's almost just like a rehash of 449 00:20:55,784 --> 00:20:58,424 Speaker 1: something that we've already seen, and people like, what's the 450 00:20:58,464 --> 00:20:59,664 Speaker 1: point of this now. 451 00:20:59,944 --> 00:21:02,864 Speaker 2: I mean this season in particular felt very different and 452 00:21:02,944 --> 00:21:05,024 Speaker 2: not even so much like if the ratings are down, 453 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:07,264 Speaker 2: I know, like wholy. Because I'm not a network television 454 00:21:07,304 --> 00:21:08,864 Speaker 2: station or anything like that, they don't have to share 455 00:21:08,904 --> 00:21:11,344 Speaker 2: the actual numbers. But it did feel like it wasn't 456 00:21:11,344 --> 00:21:15,344 Speaker 2: getting as much media attraction and attention and conversation as 457 00:21:15,424 --> 00:21:18,144 Speaker 2: previous seasons have. And I don't think that's to do 458 00:21:18,184 --> 00:21:20,904 Speaker 2: with the fact that people aren't invested in the Kardashians anymore. 459 00:21:21,064 --> 00:21:23,824 Speaker 2: I think that people are super invested in their personal lives, 460 00:21:24,064 --> 00:21:26,224 Speaker 2: but they just don't want to share their personal lives 461 00:21:26,264 --> 00:21:28,904 Speaker 2: on camera. All the majority of them don't, And so 462 00:21:29,144 --> 00:21:32,384 Speaker 2: instead of the storylines being about these huge things happening 463 00:21:32,424 --> 00:21:35,184 Speaker 2: in their life, because when the Kardashians started, so when 464 00:21:35,224 --> 00:21:37,904 Speaker 2: they ended Keeping Up and they went into the Kardashians, 465 00:21:38,264 --> 00:21:40,784 Speaker 2: it had this really new fresh feeling, I thought, and 466 00:21:40,824 --> 00:21:43,064 Speaker 2: people because they'd been off screens for a little bit, 467 00:21:43,264 --> 00:21:46,904 Speaker 2: people were really hungry. Yeah, and people again like me, 468 00:21:47,024 --> 00:21:49,584 Speaker 2: I watched them, I'm not embarrassed, were really hungry to 469 00:21:49,584 --> 00:21:52,064 Speaker 2: see inside their lives. And those first few seasons gave 470 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:54,824 Speaker 2: us all these big moments you had, like Kim's big 471 00:21:54,864 --> 00:21:57,984 Speaker 2: personal breakdown with Kanye. Even though Pete Davidson wasn't on 472 00:21:57,984 --> 00:21:59,784 Speaker 2: the show, you were getting all these bits and pieces 473 00:21:59,784 --> 00:22:02,624 Speaker 2: about her talking about dating Pete Davidson, and he was 474 00:22:02,624 --> 00:22:04,704 Speaker 2: always in the background, or he was in the metgala, 475 00:22:04,784 --> 00:22:06,824 Speaker 2: jumping in the shower with her. We had the Marilyn 476 00:22:06,864 --> 00:22:09,784 Speaker 2: Munro dress with Chloe. We had her finding out that 477 00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:11,704 Speaker 2: the man you just decided to have a baby with 478 00:22:11,864 --> 00:22:14,064 Speaker 2: was having a baby with someone else. You had Courtney 479 00:22:14,104 --> 00:22:16,664 Speaker 2: falling in love with Travis and their big wild romance 480 00:22:16,944 --> 00:22:19,664 Speaker 2: and their wedding and their baby, like it was all 481 00:22:19,744 --> 00:22:21,304 Speaker 2: this stuff, and it was like there was almost like 482 00:22:21,664 --> 00:22:24,144 Speaker 2: you felt like so much was being left out because 483 00:22:24,144 --> 00:22:26,624 Speaker 2: there was so much, you know, storyline that were cramming 484 00:22:26,664 --> 00:22:29,464 Speaker 2: into these little episodes. But as the seasons has gone on, 485 00:22:29,864 --> 00:22:32,024 Speaker 2: they've started showing less and less, and the fact that 486 00:22:32,064 --> 00:22:34,184 Speaker 2: they don't want to film has become a storyline which 487 00:22:34,224 --> 00:22:36,624 Speaker 2: I find really boring, Like the fact that Kylie Jenna 488 00:22:36,744 --> 00:22:38,544 Speaker 2: doesn't want to be there, and she'll get on a 489 00:22:38,584 --> 00:22:40,744 Speaker 2: plane and then say that she feels as the plane's 490 00:22:40,784 --> 00:22:42,304 Speaker 2: going to go down, so she'll leave, And I'm like, 491 00:22:42,304 --> 00:22:44,584 Speaker 2: but you just like your family on there like that episode, 492 00:22:45,064 --> 00:22:47,064 Speaker 2: and Courtney not want to show her family, like we 493 00:22:47,104 --> 00:22:49,304 Speaker 2: never see Kendall. They only pop up with these little 494 00:22:49,344 --> 00:22:52,424 Speaker 2: talking heads, and that's not enough to sustain a TV show. 495 00:22:52,504 --> 00:22:54,384 Speaker 2: So I feel like that's where the interest is not 496 00:22:54,464 --> 00:22:57,184 Speaker 2: in them, it's in how the show's being done. But 497 00:22:57,264 --> 00:22:59,464 Speaker 2: what's really interesting is that I still think that Kim 498 00:22:59,544 --> 00:23:02,224 Speaker 2: Kardashian is the most famous of all of them, and 499 00:23:02,584 --> 00:23:04,784 Speaker 2: she gives the most, which is interesting because you think 500 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:07,024 Speaker 2: the most famous person would be the one who was 501 00:23:07,064 --> 00:23:07,704 Speaker 2: pulling back. 502 00:23:08,064 --> 00:23:11,024 Speaker 1: Do you know what's interesting that just from the feedback 503 00:23:11,064 --> 00:23:14,504 Speaker 1: that I see on socials, the general consensus for me 504 00:23:14,664 --> 00:23:16,864 Speaker 1: is that they're not relevant. That's what I see a 505 00:23:16,904 --> 00:23:20,744 Speaker 1: lot of, and maybe that's just my algorithm. Again, this 506 00:23:20,824 --> 00:23:22,464 Speaker 1: is not a cut ash in hating thing. I was 507 00:23:22,504 --> 00:23:25,944 Speaker 1: like a huge fan. I've interviewed a lot of them, 508 00:23:26,144 --> 00:23:27,304 Speaker 1: like I do. 509 00:23:27,544 --> 00:23:31,464 Speaker 2: Was the best one to interview Chloe? Yeah? The Taittius Chloe. Yes, 510 00:23:32,544 --> 00:23:33,904 Speaker 2: we'll just do this now as the podcast. 511 00:23:33,944 --> 00:23:37,344 Speaker 1: Okay, So Chloe was great. Chloe was amazing. She's just 512 00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:40,584 Speaker 1: like super entertaining. I didn't do Chris. I've never done Chris. 513 00:23:40,944 --> 00:23:44,944 Speaker 1: I did Courtney and Chloe together. Courtney was fine. Kim 514 00:23:45,104 --> 00:23:49,184 Speaker 1: was like the most media trained, like had perfect answer 515 00:23:49,264 --> 00:23:49,864 Speaker 1: for everything. 516 00:23:50,064 --> 00:23:51,184 Speaker 2: That is a machine. 517 00:23:51,224 --> 00:23:53,704 Speaker 1: She was so protected she knew exactly what she was 518 00:23:53,744 --> 00:23:56,744 Speaker 1: going to say. She would not let you behind her 519 00:23:57,144 --> 00:24:00,864 Speaker 1: facade for even a second. And then Kendall and Kylie 520 00:24:00,904 --> 00:24:03,584 Speaker 1: I interviewed when they came out here for do you 521 00:24:03,544 --> 00:24:06,424 Speaker 1: remember when they did that Forever New campaign? They did 522 00:24:06,424 --> 00:24:11,304 Speaker 1: that like collaboration. I hosted them for that event. Yeah, 523 00:24:11,344 --> 00:24:14,304 Speaker 1: and like MC at the Westfield. So I spent a 524 00:24:14,384 --> 00:24:15,424 Speaker 1: tiny bit of time. 525 00:24:15,224 --> 00:24:16,424 Speaker 2: With them, And what were they like? 526 00:24:16,624 --> 00:24:19,784 Speaker 1: It's like fine, like there was nothing. They were just again, 527 00:24:19,824 --> 00:24:22,144 Speaker 1: they were younger than This is a while ago. Now, 528 00:24:22,224 --> 00:24:22,584 Speaker 1: that was. 529 00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:26,704 Speaker 2: Probably almost a decade ago, right when they were doing that. Okay, God, 530 00:24:26,744 --> 00:24:29,544 Speaker 2: that makes me sound ancient, But you're doing that for 531 00:24:29,544 --> 00:24:30,104 Speaker 2: Revenu Club. 532 00:24:30,384 --> 00:24:32,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, they did that for Revenue Collab. But all I 533 00:24:32,104 --> 00:24:35,784 Speaker 1: remember is that they were just extremely protected and funnily enough, 534 00:24:35,864 --> 00:24:38,984 Speaker 1: this is again I'm going completely off topic. Do you 535 00:24:39,024 --> 00:24:43,464 Speaker 1: remember their bodyguard the one that got fired him thought 536 00:24:43,944 --> 00:24:48,224 Speaker 1: that he okay, okay, So the bodyguard that got fired 537 00:24:48,544 --> 00:24:50,984 Speaker 1: after Kim Kardashian's. 538 00:24:50,424 --> 00:24:52,784 Speaker 2: Paris that bodyguard. 539 00:24:53,304 --> 00:24:56,464 Speaker 1: He was the bodyguard that was in Australia with them 540 00:24:57,264 --> 00:24:59,504 Speaker 1: when they did it Forever New Thing. I spent some 541 00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:03,104 Speaker 1: time with him and he was like looking after me 542 00:25:03,224 --> 00:25:05,264 Speaker 1: as well, not that I needed looking after, but it 543 00:25:05,384 --> 00:25:08,624 Speaker 1: was cush because they were like looking for eggs. I 544 00:25:08,704 --> 00:25:12,744 Speaker 1: had to like walk us with an umbrella Westfield so 545 00:25:12,784 --> 00:25:15,584 Speaker 1: that people weren't throwing eggs at them. Jesus, and he 546 00:25:15,664 --> 00:25:17,784 Speaker 1: was like, you come with me own. He was like really, 547 00:25:17,984 --> 00:25:20,944 Speaker 1: it was the weirdest experience of my life. I was 548 00:25:21,224 --> 00:25:26,544 Speaker 1: by no means anywhere but witnessing the amount of security 549 00:25:27,144 --> 00:25:30,544 Speaker 1: the fandom, Like people were chasing my car down because 550 00:25:30,544 --> 00:25:33,544 Speaker 1: they thought that I had to roll the window down 551 00:25:33,544 --> 00:25:35,064 Speaker 1: and be like stop chasing the car. You're going to 552 00:25:35,104 --> 00:25:38,584 Speaker 1: get yourself run over. Sto. Yeah, yeah, anyway, massive like 553 00:25:38,944 --> 00:25:40,944 Speaker 1: offshoot there, But I just wanted to just tell you. 554 00:25:40,904 --> 00:25:42,664 Speaker 2: That, no, that's important. I thought you were going to 555 00:25:42,744 --> 00:25:45,144 Speaker 2: say the bodyguard that I thought got fired, because now 556 00:25:45,184 --> 00:25:48,984 Speaker 2: when people thought that Stormy was fathered by one of 557 00:25:48,984 --> 00:25:51,384 Speaker 2: her bodyguards, and that was like a vicious rumor that 558 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:52,744 Speaker 2: went around for a while, and I was like, don't 559 00:25:52,744 --> 00:25:54,384 Speaker 2: tell me that poor man actually got fired. 560 00:25:54,504 --> 00:25:58,144 Speaker 1: No, this was right before the Paris thing, Okay, And 561 00:25:58,184 --> 00:26:00,224 Speaker 1: he got fired because basically they were like, you were 562 00:26:00,224 --> 00:26:01,984 Speaker 1: supposed to be there, and you were with the girls 563 00:26:01,984 --> 00:26:04,584 Speaker 1: to the club, blah blah blah blah blah. But I 564 00:26:04,624 --> 00:26:07,664 Speaker 1: think that a lot of it is just that they're 565 00:26:07,944 --> 00:26:13,584 Speaker 1: so rich now, so rich everything is huge around them. 566 00:26:13,624 --> 00:26:16,704 Speaker 1: And again I've mentioned this before, but people are struggling 567 00:26:16,744 --> 00:26:19,904 Speaker 1: right now. They are not relatable, they don't feel relatable, 568 00:26:20,784 --> 00:26:23,424 Speaker 1: and I think that that is where a lot of 569 00:26:23,464 --> 00:26:26,944 Speaker 1: people are finding it challenging. That's my perspective. 570 00:26:27,144 --> 00:26:30,184 Speaker 2: I know, like people are looking for relatable celebrities, but 571 00:26:30,184 --> 00:26:32,344 Speaker 2: I don't really know if you can have a relatable celebrity. 572 00:26:32,504 --> 00:26:34,544 Speaker 2: But I think personally a lot of people aren't looking 573 00:26:34,544 --> 00:26:36,224 Speaker 2: at the Kardashian so that like, they want to see 574 00:26:36,224 --> 00:26:38,824 Speaker 2: that crazy lifestyle. They want to see the opulence, even 575 00:26:38,864 --> 00:26:41,184 Speaker 2: if they're watching it from the floor of their sharehouse, 576 00:26:41,384 --> 00:26:43,584 Speaker 2: but they're not giving us enough of that. Like this year, 577 00:26:43,584 --> 00:26:45,704 Speaker 2: we saw little sprinklings of the met Gala, but we 578 00:26:45,704 --> 00:26:48,384 Speaker 2: didn't get the access we've gotten previous years. We didn't 579 00:26:48,424 --> 00:26:50,264 Speaker 2: get into all those fashion shows they were at, and 580 00:26:50,264 --> 00:26:52,304 Speaker 2: so we had Chloe Kardashian dressing up at a bear 581 00:26:52,384 --> 00:26:55,224 Speaker 2: costume and running around her mum's yard trying to scare her. 582 00:26:55,264 --> 00:26:58,064 Speaker 2: That was a full episode storyline. And I think like 583 00:26:58,304 --> 00:27:01,304 Speaker 2: people are so invested in Kim Kardashian in particular, but 584 00:27:01,344 --> 00:27:03,624 Speaker 2: also on Kylie, Like Kylie's risen to the top of 585 00:27:03,624 --> 00:27:06,664 Speaker 2: the fandom, and the photos of her on the Red 586 00:27:06,704 --> 00:27:10,264 Speaker 2: Carpet circuit with Timothy Shallamy were the most sought after 587 00:27:10,504 --> 00:27:12,984 Speaker 2: pictures of all of awards circuit and he didn't really 588 00:27:12,984 --> 00:27:15,824 Speaker 2: win anything except for a SAG Award, and she never 589 00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:18,224 Speaker 2: posed on the Red carpet, but there was still the 590 00:27:18,584 --> 00:27:20,944 Speaker 2: couple of the awards red carpets. I think people still 591 00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:23,344 Speaker 2: care about them, but you never see any of that 592 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:25,584 Speaker 2: on the show. When Kylie Jenna's on the show. You 593 00:27:25,584 --> 00:27:27,584 Speaker 2: can see she's there under duress when she's on the 594 00:27:27,664 --> 00:27:30,304 Speaker 2: Kardashian But yeah, I think she only talks about like 595 00:27:30,384 --> 00:27:32,784 Speaker 2: cooking or hanging out with her sisters, or she'll show 596 00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:35,264 Speaker 2: a bit of Fashion Week or something like that, and 597 00:27:35,304 --> 00:27:38,704 Speaker 2: the only thing people care about, which is her relationship 598 00:27:38,744 --> 00:27:40,944 Speaker 2: with Timothy because it's interesting and because I didn't show 599 00:27:40,944 --> 00:27:43,464 Speaker 2: with anything, people care the gossip exactly. It's the gossip 600 00:27:43,464 --> 00:27:45,864 Speaker 2: player and the only little touch of that that you 601 00:27:45,984 --> 00:27:48,984 Speaker 2: really got in the last episode because the Kardashians now 602 00:27:48,984 --> 00:27:51,344 Speaker 2: think they're the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You have to watch 603 00:27:51,424 --> 00:27:53,504 Speaker 2: the little end credits scene, so you have to watch 604 00:27:53,504 --> 00:27:54,784 Speaker 2: all the way through the credits and at the end 605 00:27:54,824 --> 00:27:57,264 Speaker 2: there's always a little easter egg. And at the finale, 606 00:27:57,344 --> 00:28:00,944 Speaker 2: it was Kylie Jenner calling her mum, Chris Jenna, to 607 00:28:00,984 --> 00:28:03,104 Speaker 2: say that she was worried because she'd seen all the 608 00:28:03,104 --> 00:28:04,984 Speaker 2: photos that had come out from the Golden Globes that 609 00:28:05,024 --> 00:28:07,304 Speaker 2: she went to with Timothy and she was worried her 610 00:28:07,304 --> 00:28:09,544 Speaker 2: boobs were out too much. To that, I say, Kylie 611 00:28:09,584 --> 00:28:11,424 Speaker 2: Jenner has great boos. I think she's able to show 612 00:28:11,464 --> 00:28:13,304 Speaker 2: them off and that's just a fun time. That's part 613 00:28:13,344 --> 00:28:15,944 Speaker 2: of going with your movie star boyfriend to the award shows. 614 00:28:16,304 --> 00:28:18,664 Speaker 2: But it's like this tiny little clip that gave people 615 00:28:18,704 --> 00:28:21,544 Speaker 2: a taste of this bigger storyline that's happening that we 616 00:28:21,584 --> 00:28:23,424 Speaker 2: don't get to see. And I think that's why people 617 00:28:23,464 --> 00:28:26,184 Speaker 2: are getting frustrated. Do you think they're going to continue 618 00:28:26,224 --> 00:28:28,544 Speaker 2: with the show. They've alluded to the fact that they're 619 00:28:28,544 --> 00:28:29,504 Speaker 2: continuing the show. 620 00:28:29,784 --> 00:28:33,184 Speaker 1: I think it's got a few more seasons than that. Yeah, 621 00:28:33,264 --> 00:28:37,424 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced. They're going to continue beyond another two 622 00:28:37,544 --> 00:28:38,264 Speaker 1: or three seasons. 623 00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:39,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is sad for me. 624 00:28:39,944 --> 00:28:42,544 Speaker 1: I don't. I think you're right. I think they are 625 00:28:42,584 --> 00:28:45,744 Speaker 1: over it. I think they're over it, and the less 626 00:28:45,784 --> 00:28:50,104 Speaker 1: that they give maybe more people are turning away and 627 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,224 Speaker 1: then they can focus on other things. Like none of 628 00:28:52,304 --> 00:28:54,384 Speaker 1: them need any more money, Like it's not like they 629 00:28:54,584 --> 00:28:55,064 Speaker 1: need this. 630 00:28:55,304 --> 00:28:56,824 Speaker 2: No, I don't think they're even doing it for money. 631 00:28:56,864 --> 00:28:59,024 Speaker 2: They get a lot more. All their money comes from 632 00:28:59,064 --> 00:29:01,464 Speaker 2: their businesses, and that's why they have all these businesses 633 00:29:01,464 --> 00:29:01,704 Speaker 2: they have. 634 00:29:01,944 --> 00:29:02,944 Speaker 1: Why are they doing it? 635 00:29:03,024 --> 00:29:05,544 Speaker 2: I think it's about control. It's about controlling the public 636 00:29:05,624 --> 00:29:08,424 Speaker 2: narrative because they don't break news on their show, Like 637 00:29:08,464 --> 00:29:10,584 Speaker 2: we don't see things for the first time there. But 638 00:29:10,664 --> 00:29:12,864 Speaker 2: what we do see is we see like them addressing 639 00:29:12,904 --> 00:29:15,664 Speaker 2: the backlash against Northwest being in the Lion King. We 640 00:29:15,704 --> 00:29:18,264 Speaker 2: see them addressing backlash from like things that have happened, 641 00:29:18,304 --> 00:29:20,424 Speaker 2: the public brand deals that have gone wrong. It's like 642 00:29:20,464 --> 00:29:22,104 Speaker 2: it's their time to have their say. 643 00:29:22,384 --> 00:29:25,024 Speaker 1: Do you know how else they could do that on 644 00:29:25,224 --> 00:29:26,584 Speaker 1: their social media? 645 00:29:26,824 --> 00:29:29,144 Speaker 2: I know, but it's like a step removed because then 646 00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,664 Speaker 2: they sit back. They're like little Masterlinds. They sit back, 647 00:29:31,784 --> 00:29:33,944 Speaker 2: they watch all the headlines, They get all the information, 648 00:29:34,384 --> 00:29:36,504 Speaker 2: and then they film as if they're filming in real 649 00:29:36,584 --> 00:29:38,584 Speaker 2: time by saying like this just happened, but we know 650 00:29:38,664 --> 00:29:40,824 Speaker 2: when they do the little talking head interviews that's happened 651 00:29:40,904 --> 00:29:43,504 Speaker 2: months later. So just think once you've had, like, how 652 00:29:43,584 --> 00:29:45,504 Speaker 2: much easier it would be to win a fight, right 653 00:29:45,824 --> 00:29:47,824 Speaker 2: if you had seen the entire fight play out, and 654 00:29:47,824 --> 00:29:49,584 Speaker 2: then you've gone away, and like, you know, you always 655 00:29:49,584 --> 00:29:51,544 Speaker 2: think afterwards, like, oh, I wish I'd said that. That's 656 00:29:51,544 --> 00:29:54,144 Speaker 2: what they do. They go and think of every single comeback, 657 00:29:54,184 --> 00:29:55,824 Speaker 2: and then they put it all out in their space, 658 00:29:56,144 --> 00:29:58,464 Speaker 2: and because they're executive producers of the show, they see 659 00:29:58,504 --> 00:30:00,824 Speaker 2: the footage, they control the clips. It's like they have 660 00:30:00,944 --> 00:30:03,704 Speaker 2: this big public like right of reply that they're in 661 00:30:03,744 --> 00:30:05,984 Speaker 2: control of. And then you're saying, also, it's a place 662 00:30:06,024 --> 00:30:08,704 Speaker 2: for them to promote all their businesses. That's pretty much 663 00:30:08,704 --> 00:30:12,544 Speaker 2: the only time we see or Kylie or Courtney to 664 00:30:12,624 --> 00:30:14,944 Speaker 2: an extent is when they're talking about Lemmy or eight 665 00:30:14,984 --> 00:30:17,024 Speaker 2: one eight or all those brands that I wouldn't even 666 00:30:17,064 --> 00:30:19,344 Speaker 2: know existed if it wasn't for the show. So I 667 00:30:19,384 --> 00:30:21,464 Speaker 2: think even though the quality is going down, they're going 668 00:30:21,504 --> 00:30:23,304 Speaker 2: to keep it around because it makes money and it 669 00:30:23,464 --> 00:30:24,704 Speaker 2: lets them be in charge. 670 00:30:24,984 --> 00:30:28,024 Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I just think that 671 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,144 Speaker 1: the time for this kind of show for them. They 672 00:30:31,184 --> 00:30:36,424 Speaker 1: are so exposed, They're so exposed on so many different 673 00:30:36,464 --> 00:30:41,344 Speaker 1: platforms that the relevance of a show like this for 674 00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:44,184 Speaker 1: them is becoming less and less. 675 00:30:44,664 --> 00:30:46,744 Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. Well, either way, it feels like there's a 676 00:30:46,784 --> 00:30:48,184 Speaker 2: bit of a bit of a clock on it on 677 00:30:48,224 --> 00:30:50,424 Speaker 2: the Kardashians, but looks like they'll be back for one 678 00:30:50,424 --> 00:30:52,864 Speaker 2: more season. Well, thank you so much for listening to 679 00:30:52,904 --> 00:30:55,864 Speaker 2: the Spill today, and if you'd like more breaking news 680 00:30:55,864 --> 00:30:59,224 Speaker 2: on Kylie Jenner and Timothy Shalamy, we did a little 681 00:30:59,264 --> 00:31:01,824 Speaker 2: segment on them and yesterday's podcast where we went through 682 00:31:01,864 --> 00:31:05,904 Speaker 2: the biggest, craziest, most scandalous moments from Coach Heller. If 683 00:31:05,904 --> 00:31:07,984 Speaker 2: you listen to the episode and you're triggered by the 684 00:31:07,984 --> 00:31:10,944 Speaker 2: word backpack, we can't help you. It's just how that 685 00:31:11,024 --> 00:31:14,184 Speaker 2: relationship unfolded. And we're back in your podcast feed at 686 00:31:14,184 --> 00:31:15,624 Speaker 2: three pm tomorrow. Bye. 687 00:31:15,824 --> 00:31:21,944 Speaker 1: See here.