Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seize the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,
Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst day
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing your Yea. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur
Speaker 1: who swapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha
Speaker 1: Maiden and Matcha Milk Bar. Cesa is a series of
Speaker 1: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the
Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello, beautiful, yeahborhood,
Speaker 1: just quickly popping into your ears. As you may have noticed,
Speaker 1: we've had a few weeks now without regular episodes. We
Speaker 1: weren't planning on a break at this time, but have
Speaker 1: had some sad news in the family and haven't been
Speaker 1: able to record as usual. In fact, I'm not even
Speaker 1: recorded this on my microphones because I don't have them
Speaker 1: with me. It's just a voice memo on my phone,
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry about the quality. We are nothing if
Speaker 1: not adaptable after the past few years. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your patients during this time, and for those
Speaker 1: who have seen updates on socials and sent lovely messages.
Speaker 1: Your kind words have been so appreciated. As we often
Speaker 1: speak about with times of natia, you can't expect yourself
Speaker 1: to be as productive and energetic as usual, although I
Speaker 1: still kind of do expect myself to be this way,
Speaker 1: but just wasn't up to keeping up with the recordings
Speaker 1: we had planned, so I've been trying to go a
Speaker 1: little bit more gently. While things are still a bit messy,
Speaker 1: we're slowly getting back on our feet, and we'll have
Speaker 1: double doses of YA several times in the coming weeks
Speaker 1: with the guests who would otherwise have been in your ears,
Speaker 1: so you won't miss out on anything. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've properly acknowledged the launch of another
Speaker 1: show with recurring CZA guest kahan Ong, a yighborhood favorite.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, we started our spicy little
Speaker 1: sister pod called Fea Pod, which has been just an
Speaker 1: absolute blast, and some of you have already been following along,
Speaker 1: which has been amazing. I thought i'd pop a little
Speaker 1: taste out of the show in for you while we're
Speaker 1: on this unexpected break from CZA, just to keep you going.
Speaker 1: I think many of you will have heard the Fascinating
Speaker 1: Only Fans episode. It probably isn't something we would talk
Speaker 1: about on CZA, but it was a very very interesting
Speaker 1: dive into a completely different world, a very different pathia
Speaker 1: and all the mechanics of how it works, how much
Speaker 1: you make, all those kinds of things. But you might
Speaker 1: not have heard one of our subsequent guests, an episode
Speaker 1: with James Parr, and I thought that was a perfect
Speaker 1: episode for CZA. James is an incredible triathlete and model
Speaker 1: who also happens to be gay and amputee and a
Speaker 1: First Nations man, so it was just the most fabulous
Speaker 1: chat on identity and self acceptance. I hope this one
Speaker 1: leaves you wanting more of the Feast Pod and that
Speaker 1: you guys head on over to listen to more of
Speaker 1: their feastivities. The link is in the show notes, and
Speaker 1: I will be back with more CZA as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: So I am super excited to be introducing our next guest,
Speaker 2: James Parr, who is the first Nations triathlete and also
Speaker 2: recently an amputeite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, facts about me, James park.
Speaker 2: If you had anything else now, I've got a whole
Speaker 2: list of little things. But then I was just like
Speaker 2: it was just.
Speaker 1: Notes, you know, I got cent notes. I got sent
Speaker 1: a full James Parr brief.
Speaker 2: Because you're very, very active with the notes, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I feel like I have to be doing
Speaker 2: some work here.
Speaker 1: But it made me even more excited to have you
Speaker 1: here for main course. So thank you so much for chowing.
Speaker 1: Like where do we even start?
Speaker 3: What do you want to start?
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's going to be a massive elephant
Speaker 2: in the room that everyone's going to ask you about.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about the leg because let's go out.
Speaker 2: Let's go hard. Yeah, because I've known you, I've known
Speaker 2: you for a little bit now.
Speaker 1: So absolutely hold on, hold on talking about going out hard.
Speaker 1: How did you meet?
Speaker 3: I feel like you say the wrong story.
Speaker 2: Fashion Week first, then Tinder?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because last time someone asked the question, he said
Speaker 3: Tinder and I was like, I'll just leave ago.
Speaker 1: I heard Tinder, but there's another story.
Speaker 3: No, it was just fashion trying to flex.
Speaker 2: No, it was fashion week first, but I don't think
Speaker 2: we really were so high for literally, so I was
Speaker 2: like we didn't really meet because I was just like,
Speaker 2: you know how like you know this about me? At events,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, oh yeah, where I'm like when
Speaker 2: people talk to me, I'm just kind of like if
Speaker 2: you're new, I'm just like.
Speaker 1: Hi, your neck goes like your chin goes into your neck.
Speaker 1: You go kind of like he did that. That was
Speaker 1: your first introduction to come he hates me. You kind
Speaker 1: of have like not resting bitch face, but like resting
Speaker 1: and timiding face.
Speaker 3: You saw something just like in his own world that
Speaker 3: I've got to know you more. I just know that
Speaker 3: you're in your world and when you're out to the public,
Speaker 3: you're sort of just like I'm here for one job. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm there.
Speaker 2: I'm there to do one thing, and I'm like, yeah, hi,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 3: Okay? Cool?
Speaker 1: Okay? So first Fashion Week, you were introduced by someone
Speaker 1: or you just kind of.
Speaker 2: The funny thing is, I don't think you know this.
Speaker 2: I was sitting with my friend Jack. We talked about
Speaker 2: Jack a lot.
Speaker 3: Shut up. Yeah, we talked abou Jack a lot.
Speaker 2: So Jack and I were sitting I love Jack Front
Speaker 2: Road Try Jack, so little flex there because, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I was there for a job. I was working with
Speaker 2: PayPal at the time and they were the main sponsors
Speaker 2: of Fashion Week. So I was sitting there. We were
Speaker 2: watching one of the shows and James walked down and
Speaker 2: Jack and I went, he's cute.
Speaker 1: Wait the PayPal one that we just did, like literally,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Okay, yeah, yep, yeah, so you laid
Speaker 1: eyes on Jane.
Speaker 3: Did you watch me?
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't know, because we met a couple of
Speaker 2: days after you walked, So you you went to closing show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so we met a closing show, but I watched you
Speaker 2: walk a couple of nights before that because because I
Speaker 2: went to like four of the shows.
Speaker 1: So this story goes way back.
Speaker 3: Bring the leg into that because when I walked down
Speaker 3: that run, my fucking foot was squeaking. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: every fucking step.
Speaker 1: So these are the things no one tells you about,
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes. Okay, So you were walking in
Speaker 1: a show, you saw the show a couple of days later,
Speaker 1: you then met in.
Speaker 3: Per person, and.
Speaker 1: You were just like flirting, but also being awkward with your.
Speaker 2: Chin not flirting.
Speaker 1: I was just like hello, and then you just had
Speaker 1: a quick chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, No, you know what it was. I
Speaker 2: was with my sister, and usually when I'm with Amy,
Speaker 2: the word's very different where I'm like Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy.
Speaker 3: Hello, Hello, Hello, Okay, goodbye Amy.
Speaker 1: And then obviously you needed another platform, so then Tinder.
Speaker 3: I think how long after the fashion week was here?
Speaker 3: Maybe a month?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, do you know what's really funny, James, you
Speaker 2: want to talk about our fucking first date?
Speaker 3: My god, have you heard this?
Speaker 1: I have not. This is fresh. He kept this from
Speaker 1: me in anticipation of recording my first reaction.
Speaker 2: You know what, I want to keep a good one.
Speaker 2: I wanted you on, to guess because you've had, like
Speaker 2: to face so much adversity in your life, and you've
Speaker 2: gone through so much at such a young age. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, I was like, Sarah, this is
Speaker 2: going to be funny.
Speaker 1: Because like, because you guys dated, well.
Speaker 3: Well you didn't have one on yell everything. Yes, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: what do we do? So? I came down to Melbourne,
Speaker 3: came cooked me lunch.
Speaker 1: Did you come just for the date?
Speaker 3: No? I came. We were going to the Kadashian's premiere.
Speaker 3: I came. Tommy Hill Figure addressed me. So I came
Speaker 3: to get the outfit for the Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I at that time I was living Cobram, two
Speaker 3: and a half hours away, So I had planned to
Speaker 3: come up for the day, get the outfit, go home,
Speaker 3: then come back just because I had a lot going
Speaker 3: on at home.
Speaker 2: This is the week of the Grand Prix, by the way, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: there's everything's connecting for you. Now, why I didn't go
Speaker 2: to the finale the last day of the Grand Prix.
Speaker 1: It's all making sense.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yep. So we did that. I went. Then
Speaker 3: we went out for dinner. Do you went to your restaurant?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, ship did made me the other dude?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Then then we went got to ice cream.
Speaker 1: It was a long day, yeah, I know, and it
Speaker 1: was like a whole day cute.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I went to drop him off. My car broke
Speaker 3: down two blocks away from his house.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Now I fucking hate cars and I don't know anything. Okay,
Speaker 3: So we were on the side of the road by yourself.
Speaker 3: Ye didn't have an r it wasn't like a rural
Speaker 3: country town like Cobra. We were on South Bank Bulevards, okay.
Speaker 1: But still stranded basically.
Speaker 3: Random pizza players.
Speaker 2: You can just walk across the road to my house.
Speaker 1: True, yeah, okay, but you faced adversity together and then
Speaker 1: what you abandoned your car there?
Speaker 3: Well, I signed up for our CV, they told it.
Speaker 3: I went and stayed at Carnes the day after.
Speaker 2: Well because his car was like, you need to explain
Speaker 2: what happened to the car because right now it's just
Speaker 2: broken down. Well, they just told it, okay, to the
Speaker 2: jeep shop. It was the Saturday night, okay, so.
Speaker 1: Then you couldn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Monday, Yeah okay, so yeah, so a weekend of fun.
Speaker 3: Can then drove me home to get clothes, and then
Speaker 3: we came back to Cobram.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I felt really bad that he couldn't it anywhere.
Speaker 1: Telling me I've got this long drive, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? All makes sense for me.
Speaker 2: What had happened was I had a choice on Sunday.
Speaker 2: I could either go to the Grand Prix or take
Speaker 2: James back to Cobram because he didn't have a car
Speaker 2: and had no clothes, and we were like doing like
Speaker 2: this premiere I think like two days later, Tuesday or something.
Speaker 2: It was like sometime soon. So we were like, okay,
Speaker 2: fuck it, let's go on an adventure. So we went
Speaker 2: to cobrahm.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, cue and you know.
Speaker 3: I love a road trip.
Speaker 2: I love it, like and I loved going into the
Speaker 2: country like that.
Speaker 3: Olive oil in that's not made, that's not made there
Speaker 3: Wait what yes?
Speaker 1: I thought that was Cobram's claim to fame.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's actually not that far away from it,
Speaker 2: though I don't know where it's made. It's just and
Speaker 2: they used to have farms in Combram. They actually moved,
Speaker 2: because I've been to their farms. I was actually talking
Speaker 2: about this when I was like, oh, if we go unhunted,
Speaker 2: I can probably fly into the cobb Room farm and
Speaker 2: they won't be able to find me because I.
Speaker 3: Rich Glenn Rich Glenn is like the where it is oil.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, so so that's how you meant Yeah,
Speaker 1: it gets than that.
Speaker 3: There's more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, okay, we went to Cobraham. Did
Speaker 2: we stay in Cobram for a night. Yeah, We're stayed
Speaker 2: in Cobram for a night back, we came back and
Speaker 2: then he basically just stayed me for like three other.
Speaker 3: Nights because like the whole because his.
Speaker 2: Car was not fixed and he just was not getting
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: So they're going to get to it after Easter.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So you guys, basically it was just
Speaker 1: like meant to be this like week of whirlwind romance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's literally what we did. Went it went
Speaker 2: from zero to one Hundredhere was like our first date.
Speaker 2: Then we're going to this Kardashian premiere. But because we
Speaker 2: had to go to Cobram and you had nowhere else
Speaker 2: to go, we stayed together for like five nights.
Speaker 1: I got that chance. That's like a full on introduction
Speaker 1: to a person.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wow. We got through a lot because I
Speaker 3: was like I had to listen to Penguin music every time.
Speaker 3: I keep forgetting about it.
Speaker 1: Tell me about you know, when you're.
Speaker 2: Like this seeing someone you want to do like weird ships.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I always get in the car after I've towed the car,
Speaker 3: get into his car, and he got me fucking good,
Speaker 3: and we're going through Maca's drive through. I just randomly blessed.
Speaker 3: I just so you know, when I go to sleep,
Speaker 3: I listen to penguins sound.
Speaker 1: You just volunteer that information.
Speaker 3: I don't actually do that. He's so fucking r I'm like,
Speaker 3: how weak.
Speaker 2: Can I be?
Speaker 3: And does it scare you? So?
Speaker 2: I was like, every night before I go to bed,
Speaker 2: I watch Penguins.
Speaker 1: Makes like, what do you even say to that? Exactly?
Speaker 3: Emperor or fairy? That's what I said.
Speaker 1: Well, you just took that in your stroke. I want
Speaker 1: to know, and what was it? Emperor Fairy?
Speaker 3: No? He said emperor and I was like, as he
Speaker 3: kept me going, and then to even add more detail,
Speaker 3: he was like, especially when the little baby one was
Speaker 3: right off from the pack and they get last night, I.
Speaker 1: Just I just.
Speaker 3: Drew on all I had.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. You are an actual psychopath. Oh well, that's
Speaker 1: actually an amazing story though. That's an amazing how you
Speaker 1: first met story.
Speaker 2: We also did end up watching Penguin videos that night.
Speaker 2: You definitely watched them, and you're like, weird house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that that make the sounds that they do.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have, because I'm kidding anyway, so forgot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so tell it so let's start with the leg. Tell
Speaker 1: us the backstory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just so you know, he tells like three
Speaker 2: different stories and like the first time he told me,
Speaker 2: I was like, what.
Speaker 3: I tell you one?
Speaker 1: So you can tell me out with the story, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do your.
Speaker 3: Own choose your favorite story to tell me pick you're
Speaker 3: an adventure No, because now you know it's fucking made up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I do have some good ones. The last two
Speaker 3: ones that I've recently used were the surgeon accidentally I
Speaker 3: was the wrong patient and the surgeon had a mental breakdown.
Speaker 3: They're the last two of years. I was pretty happy
Speaker 3: with those.
Speaker 1: Word They're great. And then what do people even do?
Speaker 1: They just stare at you, like.
Speaker 3: What do you say that one? They haven't questioned too
Speaker 3: much someone actually, someone was like ship, did you go
Speaker 3: to court? And was like, yeah, it cost me a
Speaker 3: harm and a leg got half price them. So I've
Speaker 3: done bungee jumping, that the cord like ripped.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's horrid, horrid.
Speaker 3: Ab sailing Okay, that my foot got caught. I have
Speaker 3: to fabricate it. Every time. I'm like, it doesn't make
Speaker 3: idn't think that happens, And I think that's it doesn't
Speaker 3: make sense. Yeah, it's like seventy two hours.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you know it would be like, wow, I
Speaker 1: believe my.
Speaker 3: Foot got caught in the rock and then I got
Speaker 3: tangled up in the rope and then when they come
Speaker 3: down there like get me down, they had to chop
Speaker 3: it off.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and that none of that is real? Okay,
Speaker 1: So what rock you for? It wouldn't it would actually
Speaker 1: rock me?
Speaker 3: Got the puns? Yeah, I need to stop.
Speaker 1: You really had me at the edge of a cliff there,
Speaker 1: like that's just click banger. So what actually happened?
Speaker 3: I had cancer?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you really put your foot literally actually did?
Speaker 3: That was good? That was also a joke off.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, guys therapy after this conversation, I'm so sorry. No,
Speaker 1: but why I'm sorry that you had cancer. If that's
Speaker 1: the real story, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: I feel it is it is. I had.
Speaker 1: That's really awful.
Speaker 3: I had osteopsychoma in my ankle. So that's like a
Speaker 3: rare bone cancer that when your bone is forming and developing,
Speaker 3: the cubs get modeled up and then just turn cancerous.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. So that was three years ago now.
Speaker 1: So in adulthood. It came on.
Speaker 3: I'm twenty five, so it was about twenty one twenty two,
Speaker 3: so I reckon I might have just had one more
Speaker 3: gross burt okay, but they also did take a year
Speaker 3: to get diagnosed. Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: And how did I mean? Like, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: many people hear about cancer of the foot or cancer
Speaker 1: of the leg as often.
Speaker 3: To the bone.
Speaker 1: The bone, yeah, but even in that region of your body, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you identify it?
Speaker 3: So yeah, just paint. So I was working out a
Speaker 3: special school at the time. We were playing cricket with
Speaker 3: a plastic cricket bat and it just brushed the side
Speaker 3: of my ankle like so softly that I full over
Speaker 3: and you know when you funny bone, like really hard
Speaker 3: and it sort of paralyzes your leg. Well, it sort
Speaker 3: of like gave me that sort of feeling, but probably
Speaker 3: a bit more like nervy. Yeah, And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that was really weird. The mussage just like hit the
Speaker 3: wrong spot, So it took me a minute to get up.
Speaker 3: Then around that same time, I was doing a lot
Speaker 3: of CrossFit, and I was doing like local competitions, and
Speaker 3: every day I was like throwing one hundred killos over
Speaker 3: my head. So I was very active mad man then chuck.
Speaker 1: It in man, Yeah, cute, cu cute, love it.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it was very active. But every time
Speaker 3: I would train, it would the pain would increase. So
Speaker 3: eventually I went to the doctor. She told me I
Speaker 3: how to calcified ligament, and there was nothing that I
Speaker 3: could do about it. Then I think like two three
Speaker 3: more months would have went by, and the pain just
Speaker 3: like kept like it was increasing and like the duration
Speaker 3: would last longer. Initially it was like every now and then,
Speaker 3: but then the dura was like I couldn't sleep or
Speaker 3: would wake up in the middle of the night. I
Speaker 3: also had a lot of night sweats, so I would
Speaker 3: wake up in the middle of the night just like
Speaker 3: in a pool of sweat, and I wasn't hot or cold.
Speaker 3: I was just like yeah. So then I went saw
Speaker 3: someone else and he said that I had an osteo ostereoid,
Speaker 3: which was a benign tumor. They did do testing, but
Speaker 3: the testing came back benign because later on we'd realize
Speaker 3: they pulled from the wrong spot. So ten months on
Speaker 3: a waiting list to have that osteoostereoid removed and in
Speaker 3: that ten months, again, the pain just kept increasing. Every
Speaker 3: four to six hours. I would have to take like
Speaker 3: two pound doll two ibuprofen just to get through the
Speaker 3: next four to six hours because once that pain hit
Speaker 3: would take an hour for it to go. And you know,
Speaker 3: I would wake up during the night and I would
Speaker 3: take two hours to get back to sleep because the
Speaker 3: pain was just like I can't even describe it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, eventually, after ten months, my nan was
Speaker 3: like on my back and she was like, let's just
Speaker 3: go get it done privately. So yeah, coughed up five
Speaker 3: grand to go and have this thing removed. And the
Speaker 3: surgeon was like, you know, it's an instant relief. You'll
Speaker 3: walk out of the hospital fine, Like you won't feel
Speaker 3: a thing. Yeah. He's like, so what they would do
Speaker 3: to treat that is they just put like this needle
Speaker 3: in the middle of it and heat it to ninety
Speaker 3: degrees and leaving them for a couple of minutes and done.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I left the hospital in a lot of pain.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this doesn't make sense. And then
Speaker 3: I went home and was still in a lot of pain.
Speaker 3: Like I actually flew to Sydney straight after the surgery.
Speaker 3: So I was like limping all around Sydney. I was
Speaker 3: in that much fucking pain. And then I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: it would have been about a week later. The nurse
Speaker 3: rang to be like, oh, how's it going. I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm in so much pain, and she's like, oh, that
Speaker 3: shouldn't be right, so we'll get the surgeon. So the
Speaker 3: surgeon called me like two hours later. I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to call you or let you know anything,
Speaker 3: but basically the second we got the image up, I
Speaker 3: knew it was cancer. So I pulled some more samples
Speaker 3: to make sure. And I've just got the samples back.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it is cancer. And then he was
Speaker 3: just like, so you're gonna have to come back in
Speaker 3: next week and seen on college and like do all
Speaker 3: this shit. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What was running for your head at that moment?
Speaker 3: I don't even know, Yeah, because just like you have
Speaker 3: like your life going like full steam ahead and then
Speaker 3: you have like that one phone call that just like
Speaker 3: pauses it and you're like I don't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was school holidays at times. I was working
Speaker 3: at a school and I was like, fuck, can I
Speaker 3: even go back to work, like what am I supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing right now? And like I just felt
Speaker 3: like it wasn't real. So I couldn't even tell anyone
Speaker 3: yep to process what's yeah, to even like call my
Speaker 3: nan or my auntie or like whoever or my friend back, Hey,
Speaker 3: I have cancer, Like it was so because I didn't
Speaker 3: believe I had it, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I reckon if you told people, it would make it
Speaker 2: more real as well, so it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then my mum has also died from cancer,
Speaker 3: so like deep down subconsciously, I was like fuck, yeah,
Speaker 3: like what's going like yeah, maybe this is the end?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Like I just yeah. And I think if I talked
Speaker 3: about it more, they would bring that up. And I
Speaker 3: just didn't want to have those discussions. And I didn't
Speaker 3: know all the information myself, so I couldn't give any
Speaker 3: information apart from the Google search that I did.
Speaker 1: Which is always an idea. Google search anything helth related ever.
Speaker 2: But it's so my father went through liver cancer and
Speaker 2: I remember when we got the diagnosis, I spent like
Speaker 2: two days just googling, like looking for anything, and it's
Speaker 2: just like you don't really get anything.
Speaker 3: You don't you need to know, some more information before
Speaker 3: you find something shit of Google too, and everyone's different.
Speaker 2: It's my case as well, Like everyone's different, but obviously
Speaker 2: you've gone through it, you've had experience with it through
Speaker 2: your mum, so that's even more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hit. It hit harder because I just thought, well,
Speaker 3: what you've seen, what is my outcome? Yeah, and when
Speaker 3: you would Google, it would come up in imputation. But
Speaker 3: then when I had those initial you know, appointments and
Speaker 3: those sorts of things to review it amputations ever put
Speaker 3: on the cards. Yeah, they just said we'll give you chemo.
Speaker 3: So I had three months chemo. Then they reviewed it
Speaker 3: and they're like, all we all need to do is
Speaker 3: a bone graft, then you'll have more chemos. I had
Speaker 3: chemo the whole year, so three months of chemo, they
Speaker 3: reviewed it. It ended up growing around the whole anngal joint,
Speaker 3: which made sense because when I was getting chemo, I
Speaker 3: was in Like the pain that I had was like
Speaker 3: times one hundred a couple of times. Like I remember
Speaker 3: I was at home and you know, like after i'd
Speaker 3: have chemo, I would be so sick that I wouldn't
Speaker 3: talk to anyone. I wouldn't want anyone around. You just
Speaker 3: want your own space, your own time. And so I
Speaker 3: remember I was in that much pain. I think I
Speaker 3: cried for two hours because I couldn't stand the pain.
Speaker 3: But nothing was doing it. And if I moved my
Speaker 3: arm it would hurt. Wow, If like I moved my
Speaker 3: head it would hurt. I couldn't do anything. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: and then it would eventually go. It was at the
Speaker 3: hospital one time and they had like given me morphine fatanyl,
Speaker 3: like all these meta like strong pain meds, and nothing
Speaker 3: was killing the pain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Something I think is extraordinary about you in the short
Speaker 1: time I've even been able to speak to you is
Speaker 1: that you've obviously reached this point where you're comfortable enough
Speaker 1: to even talk about this time in your life, but
Speaker 1: also to to not joke about it, but to laugh
Speaker 1: and embrace that part of your identity now, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure was definitely not overnight, definitely not instant, and definitely
Speaker 1: not without challenge. But something you immediately represent is the
Speaker 1: ability to turn the like that deep adversity into something
Speaker 1: that now you're comfortable talking about. You walked on a
Speaker 1: runway as an amputee, Like that is a huge jump
Speaker 1: from the worst news of your life to this is
Speaker 1: now part of my identity, and I.
Speaker 2: Am comfortable to talk about it at such a young
Speaker 2: age as well, because you've got diagnosing you what two twee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I imagine before like someone who is especially active,
Speaker 1: like you know, it would be difficult for anybody, but
Speaker 1: being a really active young man at the time like that,
Speaker 1: amputation is almost the worst possible thing that could ever
Speaker 1: be absolutely, like cancer is one thing, but then it's
Speaker 1: going to lead to amputation. Is just like, how did
Speaker 1: you go from that news to now? I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't even that long ago. You're so well adjusted, it's
Speaker 1: like alarming.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I think my childhood really set me up
Speaker 3: for that. My mum died when I was eight. I
Speaker 3: ran away from my dad at twelve with a backpack,
Speaker 3: So all those sorts of things I think enabled me
Speaker 3: to be really resilient and sort of learn how to
Speaker 3: be resilient. And you know, when you get given those
Speaker 3: events in life, how to deal with it and what
Speaker 3: to take away from it. So I think the probably
Speaker 3: like the hardest thing that I had going from you know,
Speaker 3: able body to then disabled was the connotation stereotype in
Speaker 3: the narrative that comes with it, like there's such a
Speaker 3: sad narrative or it's attached to being sad and attached
Speaker 3: to like negativity being disabled, which what is disabled? And
Speaker 3: I didn't align with being sad. I didn't align with
Speaker 3: any of that. All those people that had that to
Speaker 3: view then made me feel sad because then I had
Speaker 3: to sit there and reflect think, fuck, like I'm so fine.
Speaker 3: Why these people tell me I should be sad or
Speaker 3: that is sad or I can't do this and I
Speaker 3: can't do that when really I can. I think it
Speaker 3: took me a little bit to sort of pull back
Speaker 3: the word disabled and unpack it myself, take back the
Speaker 3: power of that word, and think, fuck, let's rewrite the narrative.
Speaker 3: If I can give representation or if I have some
Speaker 3: sort of voice or elevation for this, let's change it.
Speaker 3: I used to work at a special school before it happened,
Speaker 3: and there were children with all sorts of physical or
Speaker 3: intellectual disabilities coming from that seeing how they were affected,
Speaker 3: not having it sort of close by, if you get
Speaker 3: what I mean. So it didn't really affect me, affected
Speaker 3: the kids I worked with, and you could see how
Speaker 3: it would affect them then having it myself yeah, and
Speaker 3: thinking fuck, like this is what those kids have to
Speaker 3: go through and they're just children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that if for you, even the way
Speaker 1: you phrase it around unpacking the word disabled, I think
Speaker 1: that's something that needs to be done more because it
Speaker 1: is a word that just has these connotations like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got this meaning and you ascribe sadness and you
Speaker 1: ascribe like challenge and resilience, which of course is part
Speaker 1: of it. But I like that you're out in society
Speaker 1: now representing this new way of seeing it. That you're
Speaker 1: like I can still be on a runway, like I
Speaker 1: can still do all these things. And that's other people
Speaker 1: and especially children can't do that same, Like they can't
Speaker 1: model that same behavior unless they have role models who
Speaker 1: are doing that in public. And I think that's amazing
Speaker 1: that you've taken your experience into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think even someone to challenge it because
Speaker 3: it's all internalized. Yeah, like I'm the first one and
Speaker 3: put my hand up and say I'm still ablest. That's
Speaker 3: interesting and not personal, but like you have that that
Speaker 3: thought that you've been taught, yeah, or you know the
Speaker 3: same as even when it comes to racism, like I'm
Speaker 3: not saying I'm racist, but you have those instant connotations
Speaker 3: that you've been taught with it and not all the
Speaker 3: time like sometimes like oh that's sad. I'm like I
Speaker 3: actually know, like it's not fucking sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those sorts of things I think at myself.
Speaker 3: And so you know, there was like a year ago
Speaker 3: when and I had an ultrasound on something. I was pregnant.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's been a year.
Speaker 1: Because happened, fatherhood. Tell us all about it. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that pregnancy delivery. I want to hear it all.
Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. So I was with her and she was
Speaker 3: like asking all the questions about interns whatever. I don't
Speaker 3: really care, like I'm happy to educate people. But then
Speaker 3: it always gets to the point that's so sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, it's not fucking sad.
Speaker 3: And I looked at her. I wasn't mad. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to challenge it, and I was like, you're just
Speaker 3: saying that because you think that's what you need to say,
Speaker 3: or that's what you've been taught to say. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I'm going to challenge it. I'm going to teach you
Speaker 3: not to say it. So, and I just looked and
Speaker 3: I said, okay, so what's sad?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like tell me what that Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: She looked at me and was like, oh sorry, I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: you just said it's sad. So what part of my
Speaker 3: imputation is sad?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like, I get it, but also have a think about
Speaker 3: what you're saying, because you've just reiterated that you think
Speaker 3: my life is sad because I have one leg and
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, my life is probably
Speaker 3: better than hers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating even how when I said I'm sorry
Speaker 1: that you had to go through cancer and you're saying,
Speaker 1: why are you sorry? No one said that to me before, Like,
Speaker 1: no one's made me why. But yeah, but that is
Speaker 1: how you recondition the thoughts. By asking a question back,
Speaker 1: not being like, oh, that's the wrong thing to say,
Speaker 1: but just asking a question back. It kind of provokes
Speaker 1: a different thought pattern.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so is it your whole leg?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: From where was the people?
Speaker 3: Below the knee? So? Okay, just below my calf? I
Speaker 3: still have my calf.
Speaker 1: And how did you get into modeling from special school teaching?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So in Cobram, my friend owns a clothing shop,
Speaker 3: and well her family does, and yeah, one day she
Speaker 3: was just like, Oh, we're doing some like content for
Speaker 3: the shop. Do you want to come and join in?
Speaker 3: Is that Cactus Country?
Speaker 1: Oh? I love that plan to you that you know
Speaker 1: what character's country.
Speaker 2: We went to a cactus farm. Wait, not a farm country.
Speaker 2: It's not a whole country.
Speaker 1: It's like you guys did like a full one year. Okay,
Speaker 1: I always say this is just a massive aside. Sorry
Speaker 1: to interrupt, but just quickly. Gay time is like different
Speaker 1: hetero time. Straight, No, it is not. I'm not connotations whatsoever,
Speaker 1: but like different time. Like I feel like you guys
Speaker 1: did like a year's worth of relationshipping in like five days.
Speaker 2: I think it was more that, like we were kind
Speaker 2: of thrown into having to do things. So I was like,
Speaker 2: we're in Cobram.
Speaker 1: Let's do the activities.
Speaker 3: Ye well, he drove so on the way. I was like,
Speaker 3: let's just plan something fun. Like why you.
Speaker 1: Just went like a cute old married couple. Remember cactus country. Honey.
Speaker 2: We also went to like a stone fruit farm.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was fun, so wholesome.
Speaker 3: I was like, these are the things.
Speaker 2: The cactus country was kind of cool, except I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll see all.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, Cactus Country is like one and done.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you're you're like on all the campaign photos.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's just for a shot.
Speaker 1: Okay. The real reason this country.
Speaker 3: Why I took him there to Cactus Country because you
Speaker 3: fit right in. You're a brick boom. On that note,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for joining all the time that
Speaker 3: we have today.
Speaker 2: If you want to learn more about James.
Speaker 1: It was a short face.
Speaker 2: If you want to learn more about James park, don't.
Speaker 1: There is so much more to James Parlo. Literally, it's
Speaker 1: like a mind map of questions. I'm like, where do
Speaker 1: I what.
Speaker 3: Were we even talking about Cactus Country modeling?
Speaker 1: So how did you go from special school teacher to
Speaker 1: then this journey in the middle that's like a whole
Speaker 1: process of diagnosis, diagnosis, amputation and.
Speaker 3: Then learning to walk yeah, and going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like how did you build?
Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about? First?
Speaker 1: So you had the had the amputation, and then you
Speaker 1: weren't working. Obviously you couldn't have work during that time,
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's start from there. What was the immediate
Speaker 1: relearning to walk?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so have the amputation, had the amputation done on
Speaker 3: a Tuesday, five days after they told me. What, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's fine. Yeah? Is that because they's getting spreads or
Speaker 3: I don't want me to run away? No? No, yes.
Speaker 1: You know all those tiktoks about like how you make
Speaker 1: a morbid joke to someone and they're like not ready
Speaker 1: for it, and you're just.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm just like I laughed fucking profile on Tinder
Speaker 4: like personality nine out ten looks like I don't remember
Speaker 4: the numbers eight out.
Speaker 3: Ten legs And then it's like the little thing is
Speaker 3: perks of dating me, good car parks for the rest
Speaker 3: of our lives.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have a disabled cigar.
Speaker 3: That's actually why I chopped it off.
Speaker 1: We need I had five days and then I realized
Speaker 1: this is going to save me a lot of time
Speaker 1: in the future. Okay, so we're gonna go for movies together,
Speaker 1: just so I can like walk to the door quickly. Fair,
Speaker 1: you've done this is my problem. I'm like, you made
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 3: You can take one of my legs with you and
Speaker 3: just like slip it in your pa I have a
Speaker 3: spare one. Actually, it's like, girls, do you know what
Speaker 3: that's when we fucking dropped your car off. You're like,
Speaker 3: I should take the leg out of the car.
Speaker 2: No, because here eighteen so expensive eighteen thousand, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: so expensive.
Speaker 3: I have, like, so this one on me right now?
Speaker 2: Is it a blade?
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, the blades eighteen, This would be twelve run
Speaker 3: with Yeah, this is twelve, the blades eighteen. I have
Speaker 3: a waterproof one, which is probably I think eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Have a cycling one is six the waterproof fucking never. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I know, because like if I go to the beach,
Speaker 3: like the river out the river, because you I don't
Speaker 3: know anymore, but I also feel like I need That's
Speaker 3: what I got. The look for has a little slipper
Speaker 3: on the end. Doesn't really all right, So I believe
Speaker 3: you for a second when you said flipper, you won't
Speaker 3: be zerous. Oh no, it has an actual foot. It's
Speaker 3: like a woman's one. I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 3: that doesn't make sense, but it's just like it's so
Speaker 3: narrow that I associate it with the women's foot.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, so five days of five days to
Speaker 1: get this whole orientation in your brain.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, So yep, had the appointment. I actually woke
Speaker 3: up I think I'm a little bit psychic, but I did.
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother whole yeah.
Speaker 3: And it is anyway, So I actually had woken up
Speaker 3: and had a little vision of my surgeon telling me
Speaker 3: amputation before yeah. Yeah. So I the whole day up
Speaker 3: until the appointment, I was like googling prosthetics, googling people
Speaker 3: had prosthetics, and like looking at the way that they
Speaker 3: walked and then the way that they moved, and just
Speaker 3: wanted to make myself comfortable with it. So we get
Speaker 3: to the appointment. I was with my nan and when
Speaker 3: you go up at Peter McCallen, they print you like
Speaker 3: a slip for your appointment, printed out two slips. I
Speaker 3: was like, cheeky, I feel like I know, And so
Speaker 3: I had already processed it. I was okay with it.
Speaker 3: In that morning. I was like, right, I've accepted it.
Speaker 3: This is what's going to happen. So then were getting
Speaker 3: to the appointment and eventually he is amputation. It was
Speaker 3: either that or they removed the whole ankle joint. A
Speaker 3: rod goes up the middle, so then the bones like ba.
Speaker 3: So then I would have it stay like dead ankle.
Speaker 3: Then I'd need plastic surgery because the skin was contaminated
Speaker 3: by the cancer, greater risk of it coming back, and
Speaker 3: I would have a limp for the rest of my life,
Speaker 3: and that surgery would take longer to organize. So it's
Speaker 3: probably going to end up as an amputation something as well.
Speaker 3: Just chop it off now. So amputation. It was sort
Speaker 3: of like because I had already accepted, I knew it
Speaker 3: was going to happen. Everyone's just like staring at me
Speaker 3: in this room. My nan that was like little crying.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's fine. She was like praying.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, bless And I.
Speaker 3: Was like, no, no, it's fine, and they were all
Speaker 3: like staring at me. I'm like, no, I'm fine. I
Speaker 3: signed it and then yeah, I was like, someone's going
Speaker 3: to happen, Like, oh, next.
Speaker 1: Tuesday, I call a clean the schedule.
Speaker 3: Literally, So yeah, I had the amputation done on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Going into into the amputation, I just was like the
Speaker 3: most bizarre feeling because you're like, I'm about to have
Speaker 3: something that's going to change my whole life and I
Speaker 3: don't know how it's going to impact my life or
Speaker 3: change it.
Speaker 1: And you could still walk at that stage right like
Speaker 1: it's hard to make any decisions.
Speaker 3: Painful as well. Yeah, so it was sort of like
Speaker 3: get rid of it, but then it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I really I've had it for twenty one years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I just deal with this pain?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And will it go or anyway? So had that wake
Speaker 3: up you wake up with an epidrool, so ultra sounded.
Speaker 1: The delivery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and so wake up with an epi drool
Speaker 3: you have ketamine like you're on some ship in akle.
Speaker 3: I hated it because I couldn't move. I couldn't do anything,
Speaker 3: and the thought and the feeling knowing that I had
Speaker 3: an epidrool, it was like fuck, what if I move
Speaker 3: and I like paralyzed, like I don't know. It was
Speaker 3: like constantly freaking me out. And the second thing was
Speaker 3: was like I don't want to ship in.
Speaker 1: A bed, that's your main concern.
Speaker 3: Literally. So then it got to the Friday. I argued
Speaker 3: with them all day. They turned everything off and I
Speaker 3: never had pain since. Yeah, I actually thought would be
Speaker 3: really painful. I know that sounds crazy, and I think
Speaker 3: about it all the time, like whoa, I'd my leg
Speaker 3: chopped off and it didn't hurt because they close off.
Speaker 2: But they would close off your nerve endings or.
Speaker 3: Because I can feel it all okay, but because.
Speaker 1: You would have an open wound at the bottom right
Speaker 1: like at the stump.
Speaker 3: Of well, yeah, they stitch it up. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Would hurt.
Speaker 3: No, nothing, nothing actually hurt.
Speaker 2: So from the moment that it gets amputated, how long
Speaker 2: until your prosthetic comes?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then like how does that How long does that
Speaker 2: process take?
Speaker 3: Right? So I went home. I was home for two
Speaker 3: and a half weeks on crutches, waiting for the wound
Speaker 3: to heal, so I said in hospital. They sent me
Speaker 3: home a week after It was probably another week and
Speaker 3: a half that I then went back and then they
Speaker 3: cleared the wound to then be healed ready for a prosthetic.
Speaker 3: You go to rehab. Then they give you the leg
Speaker 3: that they have there basically for you to learn while
Speaker 3: they order you in the whole leg. Yeah. So, like
Speaker 3: I was in patient rehab because I lived in crobraam
Speaker 3: and I was back on chemo. So yeah, I went
Speaker 3: back onto chemo a better month after.
Speaker 1: Did you have like a recurring cancer that wasn't there
Speaker 1: or was it? Was it like preventative preventative? Okay?
Speaker 3: Once I dropped off to then make sure that your
Speaker 3: whole body was flushed. Yeah yeah, oh gosh, to make
Speaker 3: it a bit more safe. So I was back on chemo.
Speaker 3: I was in the rehabit like Saint Vincent's, and there
Speaker 3: was like it was just like a very depressing place.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it probably took me about a week
Speaker 3: one side because I was so unmotivated to actually get
Speaker 3: up and like do the rehab. And I was back
Speaker 3: in chemo as I was like sick. But and then
Speaker 3: once I felt actually comfortable to sort of lean onto
Speaker 3: it and put my whole body weight. Plus in that
Speaker 3: time that I was home, I shifted my whole center
Speaker 3: of gravity to the left side of my body, so
Speaker 3: then I had to realign that, and that whole process
Speaker 3: probably took a week and then and I was in
Speaker 3: rehab all together three weeks and then yeah, I was fine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's it seems like a really short
Speaker 1: amount of time.
Speaker 2: Like honestly, in my mind, I thought it was going
Speaker 2: to take months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: How long until because you're also a triathlete, so how
Speaker 2: long did it take for you to learn then to run?
Speaker 2: Because I think that would be totally different, right than
Speaker 2: learning how to walk again, because like running longest dance.
Speaker 3: Running on this is different to running on the blade.
Speaker 3: So running on this this gives me no feedback from
Speaker 3: the ground, no energy, you know, nothing. I can run
Speaker 3: on this but a long distance. So my very first
Speaker 3: triathleon was in this. Oh and I ran on this.
Speaker 3: So the longer I run on this, the more it
Speaker 3: feels like a plank of wood, like it's just you know.
Speaker 3: Came third anyway, in case you were rendering, I.
Speaker 1: Was definitely wondering, I thank you for feeling for me.
Speaker 2: And that's only three people.
Speaker 1: Was that is extraordinary? Like a one month rehab and
Speaker 1: now a triathlete?
Speaker 3: What So the blade I probably only got about a
Speaker 3: year ago because the original processus fucked the blade and
Speaker 3: so I we nearly.
Speaker 1: Went to court, as in like you ordered it, but
Speaker 1: you didn't get it.
Speaker 3: So and built it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you cut it too short. Oh okay, so
Speaker 1: then I had to, oh my gosh, for a refund.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole different kind.
Speaker 3: It was like the person so it's like yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: someone like you have a processus that will then build
Speaker 3: it and fit it to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but once you cut it. You can't.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you go from like a walking again
Speaker 1: to like athletes running? Were you tte before?
Speaker 3: No? Oh my gosh, I think in that time. No,
Speaker 3: it wasn't.
Speaker 1: James.
Speaker 3: I'm so confused now because I was like, oh, wait,
Speaker 3: what you get to try?
Speaker 2: Try?
Speaker 1: Okay? How do you get into a triathon without being
Speaker 1: an amputee?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Let alone. You had to relearn to walk true and
Speaker 1: and and come third. Like, it's not just like I
Speaker 1: finished one in five thousandth place. It's a legit got
Speaker 1: a place on the podium. What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know, I just did it. I
Speaker 3: think before the amputation happened, I was I was doing
Speaker 3: CrossFit like six times a week, okay fit. I was
Speaker 3: very fit, and I think that was on my on
Speaker 3: my side, especially with the whole walking again and all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. I was already thinking about starting
Speaker 3: triathlons when that happened. So when the amputation happened, I
Speaker 3: was like, I know, no, they're actually pretty easy training stop.
Speaker 2: I cannot imagine dealing with that, Like, well.
Speaker 3: It's a paratrython, so it's half as a normal triython.
Speaker 1: So okay, okay, so it's way easier. It's still a
Speaker 1: freaking triathlon, dude, Like, wow, that's still like it just
Speaker 1: finishes in a half marathon.
Speaker 2: I'm really scared of deep water.
Speaker 3: I am too. Sometimes I really don't worry, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: I reckon.
Speaker 2: If I'm out there, it's open ocean, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the bay, yeah, that would ship me. Like
Speaker 3: I would like be like no, I would swim the
Speaker 3: river and get anxiety and nearly cry cry in the river.
Speaker 1: I could, yeah, literally take it back.
Speaker 3: I was like, I remember before I came home in
Speaker 3: the summer, I was like swimming in the river and
Speaker 3: I went under the bridge. I was so fucking deep.
Speaker 3: You know that bridge. Yeah, And I got to that point,
Speaker 3: just this one point, I was like, I know there's
Speaker 3: no sharks, yeah, but if something attacks me, you don't know,
Speaker 3: no crocodile something, because like losing the leg.
Speaker 1: No, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I would like, yeah, like what's the hyperventilate and
Speaker 3: you just went to the side then, No, I was
Speaker 3: under the bridge. There's no side there.
Speaker 1: True, the logistics of the parad I know the bridge,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure when we were there.
Speaker 2: It was quite shallow because it was summer.
Speaker 3: Don't yeah probably, no, no, no, it was very it's
Speaker 3: the murraymy Okay, well when I was swimming, and it
Speaker 3: was very because I was like in the Murray drink.
Speaker 2: February March is at the end of summer, which means
Speaker 2: that there's no caps have already melted, which means that
Speaker 2: it's going to be quite.
Speaker 3: This was like spring.
Speaker 2: Okay, we were there.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, true, Okay, So I mean you've obviously taken
Speaker 1: it in your stride. Oh thanks, thanks. I was just
Speaker 1: waiting to draw that one in and gone on to
Speaker 1: do things that you weren't even doing before the amputation
Speaker 1: and running, swimming, riding, modeling, modeling. Yeah, like it obviously
Speaker 1: hasn't held you back in any way. So how did
Speaker 1: the modeling come about? Then?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So Cactus Yeah, my friend has a family owns
Speaker 3: the clothing shop. They're doing some promos for that. Went
Speaker 3: to Cactus Country. We did this just sort of like
Speaker 3: little video like yeah anyway, yeah, sort of circulated online,
Speaker 3: and then about a month later I had a creative
Speaker 3: agent that was doing a photo shoot and directing campaign
Speaker 3: sitting to my DMS was just like, hey, do you
Speaker 3: want to come a model for us? And that was
Speaker 3: my first paid one, and I was like, sure, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. So I did it, and then that
Speaker 3: was like on the I corner and I sort of
Speaker 3: went second job or was job? This one was for
Speaker 3: jam the label, and then it was like on the
Speaker 3: Iconic and all this sort of stuff. Then that circulated
Speaker 3: and then I'm ordeled for some I can't even remember,
Speaker 3: but I did like little ones here and there, and
Speaker 3: then yeah, I had an agency reach out and I
Speaker 3: said no because I was like, this is not a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like what I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just doing it for fun. Then they
Speaker 3: reached out again with.
Speaker 1: The job you got scouted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they reached out to me again. They're like,
Speaker 3: we have a job for you. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll do it. So I signed with them, did the job,
Speaker 3: and then yeah, it just kept it was fast evolving,
Speaker 3: and then next minute I was on a runway.
Speaker 1: Oh so did you ever go back to teaching or
Speaker 1: did you go straight to modeling.
Speaker 3: No, No, I did both. So I worked down in
Speaker 3: Corobbin full time and then I would balance the two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I would like there were times that I would
Speaker 3: finish work at three o'clock, come to Melbourne, do a.
Speaker 1: Job and drive home and drive home.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, I did that quite quite a
Speaker 3: few times.
Speaker 1: So how long has the modeling career been, like from
Speaker 1: now backwards? How long have you been doing it?
Speaker 3: Two years?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's kind of right.
Speaker 3: So it's still like it was during COVID, So it
Speaker 3: was still yeah, and it's still like evolving. So I
Speaker 3: think the more you do, the more you aim out
Speaker 3: there and those sorts of things, the more people find you.
Speaker 3: And I think my mission with that is representation. And
Speaker 3: I bring that back to myself because, like I said
Speaker 3: to you guys before, when I went from able to disabled,
Speaker 3: I had just that struggle and that in owning the
Speaker 3: word I'm disabled, that was the only thing that I
Speaker 3: was like, per se embarrassed about. And I still sometimes
Speaker 3: can be like you know, and yeah, So I thought, well,
Speaker 3: why not use this as an opportunity to show others
Speaker 3: that it's not sad and to provide representation for the
Speaker 3: whole disabled community and also just anyone, because realistically, we
Speaker 3: can become disabled at any point. I guess I'm a
Speaker 3: perfect person to say that. And I think if that
Speaker 3: was ever happened to anyone, they shouldn't have a hard
Speaker 3: time with it. They should be able to just take
Speaker 3: it and be like, right, this is it, not feel
Speaker 3: judged or embarrassment or shame because then they are disabled.
Speaker 3: And if this can be my little bit to sort
Speaker 3: of show that and teach that and help someone else
Speaker 3: through that, then I'm done. Yeah, I've done my job. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The big kind of theme underlying this main cause was
Speaker 1: identity and how it can change so much, either voluntarily
Speaker 1: or abruptly and involuntarily, but I like how you have
Speaker 1: let it not consume your identity but be part of
Speaker 1: it in a way that you're like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: control how this becomes.
Speaker 3: Past back the exactly because it's not who I am. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it is a part of me, and it's very visual,
Speaker 3: especially when I wear short so it's the first thing.
Speaker 3: And I also sometimes even get like offended when you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is James is an amputee. That's not all I am, sure,
Speaker 3: but I'm pretty fucking cool too. I didn't want to
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing I wanted to ask on this
Speaker 1: identity piece is I feel like in areas like this,
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get either discrimination or curiosity or whatever it
Speaker 1: is from able bodied people, but that sometimes then you
Speaker 1: even get the same from other disabled people because you're
Speaker 1: able passing. Does that ever happen, like because you can
Speaker 1: hide your disability or because it's a less extreme on
Speaker 1: the spectrum. Do you get kind of put in a
Speaker 1: weird box by other people because they're like, you're not
Speaker 1: really struggling the same way we are, or you can
Speaker 1: hide it with pants or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think as well, the important thing to take
Speaker 3: away from that situation or what you just said, is
Speaker 3: that everyone has struggles in their life. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think we can all acknowledge that, whether it's physical like
Speaker 3: my disability or not, we all have different struggles. So
Speaker 3: I think that's the first thing for other people to acknowledge,
Speaker 3: especially the disabled community. So I think that they do
Speaker 3: know that, But there have been times when people or
Speaker 3: other people would say, oh, you wouldn't know, you just
Speaker 3: you're yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not disabled enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like what is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does that even mean?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1: It was interesting.
Speaker 3: It's only happened like maybe twice, okay, and I've just
Speaker 3: sort of brushed it off because I'm like.
Speaker 1: That's you, Yeah, that's not me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But also like that could just be having a
Speaker 3: bad day and just really reflecting upon their disability or yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, because there are days even for me like
Speaker 3: sometimes I might you know, the last three months, I
Speaker 3: think when I got back from Sydney, I had a
Speaker 3: precious all the whole time, and basically my pros or
Speaker 3: rubbings my proceetic was like rubbing on this one part
Speaker 3: and I ignored it. So because I ignored it, I
Speaker 3: then suffered longer because I have had constantly for three
Speaker 3: months issues with my prosthetic and I haven't been able
Speaker 3: to walk properly or do the things that I want
Speaker 3: to do training anything. And I've only been wearing it
Speaker 3: up until the last month, only been wearing it and
Speaker 3: doing the things that I literally had to do in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it would hurt.
Speaker 3: So there like there's that aspect where you know, in
Speaker 3: that time, I would be like fuck, yeah, I could
Speaker 3: have that same change, I could have the same thoughts,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I don't think it would be fair to
Speaker 3: say anyone's situation is worse than others, Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: think there's so much more encapsulated into that mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's why I find it interesting when anyone who's got
Speaker 1: a unique experience, if they get trold or anything, if
Speaker 1: it's from people in that niche group, it always seems
Speaker 1: almost more abrupt because it's like you kind of get
Speaker 1: what I'm going like, you know, and I'm not that
Speaker 1: I speak from experience in that area, but it's just sometimes.
Speaker 3: You see it and it does make sense, and sometimes
Speaker 3: you do think about it. Do they think that you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I don't know, So I
Speaker 3: probably am more conscious of it because I sometimes have
Speaker 3: those thoughts myself too, Like I wonder if they think
Speaker 3: just have a prosthetic like who cares? You're fine, which
Speaker 3: I am, But like, I don't think anyone's.
Speaker 1: Situations worse than anyone else.
Speaker 3: Last what you make it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, than.
Speaker 2: Story is so amazing. There's a lot for people to
Speaker 2: learn from it as well. They're like, you've got this
Speaker 2: amazing outlook. You're just kind of like yeah cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. When I was driving here, I was like, fuck,
Speaker 3: it just feels like a whole other life. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I even look at photos or pictures of me
Speaker 3: when I was going through the treatment. I had no
Speaker 3: hair and I was so bloated all the time, and
Speaker 3: or even photos of me when I had two legs.
Speaker 3: I think I look weird. I'll show you one. I
Speaker 3: look weird with two legs.
Speaker 1: Do you ever have phantom feelings?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, and no phantom very.
Speaker 1: Rarely, but you sometimes do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be like a sharp shooter up the hill,
Speaker 3: Like as I'm walking basically with a phantom pain, your
Speaker 3: brain doesn't recognize that that body part is missing, so
Speaker 3: we send a pain signal to get a response. Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you may feel your ankle even though it's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I can. I'm moving my big toe right now.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so cold.
Speaker 3: That's non existent, So your.
Speaker 1: Neural pathway is kind of still there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And every now and then, when it's something I
Speaker 3: don't do every day, or I go to a trip
Speaker 3: or something, I use my foot that's not there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I just so cool. I can feel it when
Speaker 3: I do it, but it makes any sense? Yeah? Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The first couple of days after surgery, do you know
Speaker 3: when you have that feeling you just want to stretch
Speaker 3: your toes out. Yes, that's all I had for like
Speaker 3: four days. But then I realized that obviously it's just
Speaker 3: my brain, so I would distract myself and then it
Speaker 3: would forget about it and done.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I was reading that your background is your
Speaker 1: First Nations, Yeah, which is another area, Like I kind
Speaker 1: of believe it took us a whole episode to get here.
Speaker 1: There's just so much about you that's fascinating. That's another
Speaker 1: area of being First Nations, being white passing. How is
Speaker 1: that it's such an identity piece, Like you have so
Speaker 1: many facets of identity, where many people only have one
Speaker 1: or two. You've kind of got so many layers wrapped
Speaker 1: around each other. How has your first nation's background added
Speaker 1: to your whole identity piece?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do you get that whole white passing thing from that?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Sometimes people are you're.
Speaker 1: White, Yeah you're not, Okay, I am Nations?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what are you saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you can add milk, but it's still
Speaker 3: coffee baby.
Speaker 1: Ye A good way to explain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like my dad is darker toned, my mom's Irish.
Speaker 3: I have my mum's skin. Yeah, and so it comes
Speaker 3: from my dad's side. I left my dad at twelve,
Speaker 3: so I didn't really have too much knowledge about it.
Speaker 3: I've just sort of learned over time and something that
Speaker 3: I really wanted to learn about, and reconnecting with mob
Speaker 3: and my people, like you find your place the white path. Like,
Speaker 3: sometimes I am in situations and I think, fuck, do
Speaker 3: other people look at me? Think why the fuck are
Speaker 3: you here? Yeah, you know, it probably doesn't happen. It's
Speaker 3: probably just me thinking that. But there are like people
Speaker 3: white shaming me all the time. Yeah, yes, I'm white, but.
Speaker 1: First Nations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's still in my blood, still my family,
Speaker 3: it's still my culture. I still identify as a what's
Speaker 3: your point? Like, you know in saying that, do you
Speaker 3: get it? Yeah, it's not that I don't understand it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would probably think the same. Yeah, if I was younger,
Speaker 3: I didn't have any knowledge to it, Yeah, I would
Speaker 3: probably think the same. But then it gets to the
Speaker 3: point where I'm like, why do I have to keep
Speaker 3: explaining myself and my mom's sorries?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you need a T shirt that just
Speaker 1: explains it Irish and just that's it. Like, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to explain this over and over again.
Speaker 3: People trying to white wash us. This is what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's why I find it so interesting. One
Speaker 1: of my really good friends, Rachel Sarry, is an Indigenous
Speaker 1: artist and she's quite white passing as well and offered,
Speaker 1: but she's very connected to MOB and and has been
Speaker 1: on contry a lot, and I mean her art is
Speaker 1: so beautiful, beautiful, but she gets that all the time
Speaker 1: that even from within MOB sometimes she gets like like
Speaker 1: you're too white, like you're not indigenous enough to represent
Speaker 1: us like you And it's a complex.
Speaker 3: I think that's the best part about it though, to
Speaker 3: show that, yes, we don't represent one element, but we
Speaker 3: represent the other element. And the element that is is
Speaker 3: that you know, we were whitewashed and there were stolen generations,
Speaker 3: and this is now what's happened, even though that would happen,
Speaker 3: you know, throughout bloodlines anywhere. But I think that's just
Speaker 3: like another good element to be like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm very white, but I'm also still fast nations, and
Speaker 3: that's to represent those people that fit in that same box.
Speaker 3: Because sometimes it can be hard and it can be
Speaker 3: you know, I know where I go to places and
Speaker 3: I think do they look at me and be like
Speaker 3: what while doing you can't be here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. There's so much an identity.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I think over the last like maybe
Speaker 3: ten years is when I really wanted to like connect
Speaker 3: and learn more and learn more about my family and
Speaker 3: MOB and be with Mob. And yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: You have such a good head on your shoulders about
Speaker 1: it though, Like you seem so willing to explore those
Speaker 1: different parts of you, but without having like a breakdown
Speaker 1: about it every single time. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: breakschouts about my identity all the time. You seem just
Speaker 1: very balanced. Amazing.
Speaker 2: All right, so dessert, let's go through some quick fire questions.
Speaker 2: This one I'm only reading out because there's an emoji involved,
Speaker 2: and I was like, funny, what's something you wish you
Speaker 2: could tell the person you were the day they told
Speaker 2: you about the leg emoji?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 2: What she mean? What's something you wish you could tell
Speaker 2: the person you were the day they told you about
Speaker 2: the leak? But she just put the emoji of the leak.
Speaker 3: Shit, Yeah, that's such a deep question, I did say,
Speaker 3: but I love they dropped.
Speaker 1: An emoji and then to soften.
Speaker 3: It, like let's just saw the day that I found out. Yeah, whoa,
Speaker 3: Probably just it's going to be okay. And I know
Speaker 3: that sounds so so silly, but it comes down to
Speaker 3: the fear of the unknown. I also say something just
Speaker 3: as basic as it's going to be okay, because before
Speaker 3: I lost my leg, I felt like, you know, I
Speaker 3: had come out, I had lost weight because I was unhappy,
Speaker 3: and I found new confidence. All these things happened. And
Speaker 3: then when I got told that was happening, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is exactly where I'm meant to be. I felt
Speaker 3: like something was missing, and yeah, I feel like that
Speaker 3: that was it. Yea. And I know that sounds bizarre.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I fell right into my place
Speaker 3: and this is where I'm supposed to be. So probably
Speaker 3: just that.
Speaker 2: So we've gone through something deep to something super not deep.
Speaker 2: There's actually another level to the next question, but I'm
Speaker 2: going to start light first. Do you sleep with the
Speaker 2: leg on?
Speaker 3: No? Next question.
Speaker 1: I feel like you could have answered.
Speaker 2: That question.
Speaker 3: Because it leads up to the other questions like is
Speaker 3: it sex? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Did someone asks that? I'm not telling you what was
Speaker 2: it you?
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't mean. But I actually want to like
Speaker 1: as in what was it? As in do you take
Speaker 1: it off?
Speaker 3: What do I do during? Depends where you want to fox,
Speaker 3: stand up or not? Like one story short, but like
Speaker 3: what do you use your fee for? Have a little thing?
Speaker 1: Well, it depends what kind of sex we find only
Speaker 1: fans conversations on the show.
Speaker 3: So you know, my knee is there? My knees there?
Speaker 3: Now you're fine, Just give me a second, I'll chuck
Speaker 3: it back on.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, so you usually start without it on?
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on what.
Speaker 1: What you were doing when you started.
Speaker 3: If we're going for like I walked down in an
Speaker 3: alleyways on, I mean we're not no, Like if we're
Speaker 3: in the bed, there's no point for me to have
Speaker 3: it on the raft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just what you were already doing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If we move from the couch to the bedroom, yeah
Speaker 3: we and you're not. That's how if I kept saying
Speaker 3: and like.
Speaker 2: Ship are we doing this?
Speaker 1: He's like he's fine, I have one, don't.
Speaker 3: He's got a leg up on me. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Look,
Speaker 3: if we're like go from the couch, like I'm going
Speaker 3: to take it off on the couch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But if you're going we get to the bedroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is from me.
Speaker 2: Is there any support like government anything like that from
Speaker 2: when you kind of first found out, like, is there
Speaker 2: any like funds?
Speaker 3: So I have that's the ability. Like I'm really really
Speaker 3: like like right now, I have no idea what you
Speaker 3: just said, so m dis Basically what they do is
Speaker 3: they meet with you, you talk about your needs, what
Speaker 3: you need, and then you have like a processus and
Speaker 3: an out and all those sorts of assessments to put
Speaker 3: forward what your needs are. Then they come back and
Speaker 3: then they give you those funds based on deemed what's
Speaker 3: necessary for you. So example, running blade, they weren't going
Speaker 3: to fund because you had to keep going for assessments
Speaker 3: and really prove like that why I need one, Well
Speaker 3: not even that, just because the whole thing is what's
Speaker 3: reasonable and necessary and you have to prove why that's
Speaker 3: reasonable and necessary to you and how that's going to
Speaker 3: make you independent throughout in your life, you know, so
Speaker 3: and say teen thousand dollars. So that was a lot
Speaker 3: of going back and forth. But they also I did
Speaker 3: a little dodgy don't send ndis, but they accidentally issued
Speaker 3: the first plan that they gave me was wrong. Then
Speaker 3: they had to reissue that another plan. So when they
Speaker 3: reissued the other plan, I schill had ninety days to
Speaker 3: use the original funds from that first plan. They know now,
Speaker 3: I just didn't do the appropriate.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, cool question. So you did a Q and
Speaker 2: A the other day of your frequently Asked question fright, Yeah,
Speaker 2: do people ask you about the sex thing? Because I'm
Speaker 2: really curious.
Speaker 3: About that, all right, So that was that was a
Speaker 3: rant that I went on from Grinder because oh it
Speaker 3: was an old and I recycled it because I wanted
Speaker 3: to have the conversation because sometimes people will just slide
Speaker 3: into my d MS or on Tinder or something anywhere
Speaker 3: and just like, how do you have sex? It's not appropriate?
Speaker 1: You're just like, no, hello.
Speaker 3: In this situation, sure, because I've opened up, yeah to that,
Speaker 3: Like imagine me just messaging you.
Speaker 1: No introduction, No we don't know each other, like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's not appropriate. And you're also intruding on someone's life,
Speaker 3: in someone's personal life, to gain something from it, whether
Speaker 3: it's a laugh, which it would definitely a laugh. I
Speaker 3: know the toxicity of grinder. Yeah, I'm not taking away that,
Speaker 3: but there's also I'm a person. Yeah, you don't just
Speaker 3: message me and be like, how do you have sex?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: The valuing because you're also having a bit of a laugh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you think it's funny, Like it's not.
Speaker 1: But you also assume that you like have time to
Speaker 1: just sit and answer, Like if it is curiosity, it's like,
Speaker 1: could you ask me, like how I am I get curiosity?
Speaker 3: Don't? Yeh don't. I would be curious too, But it's
Speaker 3: just an appropriate question. If you were like a sexual
Speaker 3: partner to someone who has a disability and there's something
Speaker 3: that you need to know for you to have a
Speaker 3: better experience, Yeah, that's an appropriate question. But nine times
Speaker 3: out of ten the person will or actually already tell you.
Speaker 3: That's where it's appropriate, not just the first message. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's where I get like, not funny.
Speaker 1: I feel like if there's a genuine reason, they'll probably
Speaker 1: preface the message with James like I'm in this position.
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, like they wouldn't be like.
Speaker 3: I would help, and like you still need to talk
Speaker 3: to them because there's a conversation I can have with you.
Speaker 3: Their needs different to mine, if there are any needs, Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe they're like fucking with it on like.
Speaker 1: What's the biggest thing that has surprised you about it?
Speaker 1: About the whole experience, but that pre amputation you didn't.
Speaker 3: Expect oh about like everyone there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that surprised you or that was like that you
Speaker 1: would have been curious about, Like they wouldn't been one
Speaker 1: of the questions you would have asked other than the
Speaker 1: sex thing, because that definitely would have been your question.
Speaker 1: I can tell.
Speaker 3: I think the reababilitation, Yeah, that because that was the
Speaker 3: first thing that I was so worried about, and even
Speaker 3: returning to work, I was like shit, you know, I
Speaker 3: went back to work three months after after I finished
Speaker 3: all treatment, after I finished all treatment, and I was
Speaker 3: fine full time. That they were like all my worries
Speaker 3: because basically, for a whole year I had my life
Speaker 3: put on pause. There's nothing I could do about it.
Speaker 3: So I think it was how will I be independent afterwards?
Speaker 3: And can I be independent afterwards? Because there's like that
Speaker 3: whole notion that you can't be And even when I
Speaker 3: got told and I told other people, people tell me
Speaker 3: I can't do this and I can't do that, I
Speaker 3: was like, well I'm gonna show you and I'll do
Speaker 3: it ten times better.
Speaker 1: And I'll just win a triathlon. Oh my gosh. Well
Speaker 1: and talking about like visibility and showing people that they
Speaker 1: can do things they never that other people would assume
Speaker 1: they can't. I mean you've you've done that above and
Speaker 1: beyond and continue to do so and it's so inspiring.
Speaker 2: So where can we find you?
Speaker 1: James other thing brinder.
Speaker 3: And my instagram what is it? Underscore? I'm trying to
Speaker 3: get you to like plug yourself. Sorry I wasn't thinking King.
Speaker 3: My Instagram is Underscore. James par and my management is
Speaker 3: Bell Management and my manager is Jason. So if you
Speaker 3: have any business inquiries.
Speaker 2: It's that across all platforms that use the name. So
Speaker 2: TikTok as well.
Speaker 3: TikTok is James par with three hours, so just James
Speaker 3: Par only two, Yeah, only two. I have TikTok. Go
Speaker 3: watch my viral video. You've seen that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go watch it right now. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: And for those of you at home, please follow us
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Speaker 2: love Spotify to jump on there. This episode has been super,
Speaker 2: super eye opening for us. Let us know what you think.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much James for joining us today, thank
Speaker 2: you for having me. And yeah, and that's the end
Speaker 2: of fucking entre, mains and dessert. Hopefully you're four and
Speaker 2: we'll feed you again next time you