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Speaker 2: do you have a lazy girl storry? I do? It
Speaker 2: is from Jen. Jen says I have a washing basket
Speaker 2: full of my good dresses. Immediately know what you mean that.
Speaker 2: I decided about a month ago needed a wash, and
Speaker 2: my husband keeps reminding me that they are there. I've
Speaker 2: been putting it off because dresses like that need to
Speaker 2: be put through a delicate cycle, and then once they
Speaker 2: are dry, they are all crinkled and I would need
Speaker 2: to iron them. I decided today was the day to
Speaker 2: deal with them. I'm like, hang on, this stuffn't sound
Speaker 2: very lazy.
Speaker 3: Jen.
Speaker 2: Well, well, well, instead of washing them, I simply hung
Speaker 2: them back up in my wardrobe and closed the door.
Speaker 2: She's a lazy girl problem solved. What I will also say,
Speaker 2: I have a pile of dresses that I'm like, these
Speaker 2: I'll take to a tailor. Do you know a tailor.
Speaker 2: I'll get them taken up because everything's a bit too
Speaker 2: long on me. You've never met a tailor. It's been
Speaker 2: a decade. I actually did go to a taylor recently.
Speaker 2: I had someone else organize it for me, cheap, quick, easy.
Speaker 2: It was a house on my street and I walked in.
Speaker 2: I was like, surely not, I swear. I was like
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars. It's like, people shouldn't get things tailored. This
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. This is the same with my whites, because
Speaker 2: I've been burned with my whites. So I've got a
Speaker 2: few things that I put in the sink. I don't
Speaker 2: have a laundry of a cupboard that claims to be
Speaker 2: a laundry, but I put them there, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: don't go in with the other things. You stay right there.
Speaker 2: And then and then months past, and I don't wear white. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they also eight it's fine, it's not summer. It's
Speaker 2: not the season.
Speaker 1: You are about to enter the canceled courtroom.
Speaker 2: The defendants are celebrities, the chargers are petty. The rulings
Speaker 2: are final, Jesse. Today we're talking about Katie Perry.
Speaker 3: So excited, Ky, welcome to Candy fourn Yes, hope, this
Speaker 3: is an annoying you are quite Candy.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out Weg.
Speaker 4: Did you just say wegg?
Speaker 2: Yes, I know Wegg.
Speaker 4: I feel that already.
Speaker 3: No, it's not your language, it's just for us. I
Speaker 3: love you.
Speaker 2: Catherine Elizabeth Hudson is an American singer. So she's Kate Hudson. Yes,
Speaker 2: she's Kate Hudson. Yeah, oh wow. Perry is her mum's
Speaker 2: maiden name love, but it becomes clear why she changed
Speaker 2: her name. She's American singer, songwriter, and television personality best
Speaker 2: known for songs like I Kissed a Girl's Hot and
Speaker 2: Cold Firework Raw. So I never go to concerts of
Speaker 2: bench Cocatie peric I was gonna say, how was that?
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I love the song raw, I'll
Speaker 2: get emotional. That's not the one about the plastic bag
Speaker 2: floating through the wind. That's firework. I think.
Speaker 3: Do you ever feel like the plastic bay drifting through
Speaker 3: the wind wanting to start again?
Speaker 2: I like that. Firework gets me. Yeah. It was a
Speaker 2: good era, Oh there was, and it ended yes, Rory,
Speaker 2: my partner really likes the birthday one. Yeah, it's good
Speaker 2: for birthday. It's great for birthdays. Is actually I would
Speaker 2: say my favorite non happy birthday birthday songs. I don't
Speaker 2: like happy birthday, so I quite like just an alternative. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She's one of the best selling artists of all time,
Speaker 2: which I feel like everyone is. Yeah, I have questions
Speaker 2: and she's also She's also released an autobiographical documentary called
Speaker 2: Katy Perry Part of Me twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: The atmosphere I grew up in was, you know, completely
Speaker 3: one Christian.
Speaker 2: King got her first guitar through the church. I just
Speaker 2: sum started to play the guitar. I'm a little amate sheriff.
Speaker 2: There's a music show. It's all on my hand, it's
Speaker 2: in my heart actually, yep. And it focused on her
Speaker 2: breakup from Mussel Brand. There is anything you would like
Speaker 2: to know about that? Yeah, I have it on hand.
Speaker 2: There's simply nothing more heartbreaking than Katy Perry backstage, being
Speaker 2: dumped from her marriage by text and having to perform. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've all been there emotionally, not really. Her debut album
Speaker 2: was actually contemporary Christian record called Katie Hudson, released when
Speaker 2: she was sixteen. I've got in my notes Christian music
Speaker 2: actually slaps. Sometimes it does. We were at a church
Speaker 2: recently that was clapping. It was acoustic. Yeah, people got
Speaker 2: really into it. Sometimes it's really good. But you know that,
Speaker 2: like it's quite loaded the lyrics, and also you singing
Speaker 2: it or listening to it in your house says a
Speaker 2: lot about you, which is fine. But I'm actually I'm
Speaker 2: all for it. It didn't sell very well because I
Speaker 2: guess it is. I was gonna say Nation in America,
Speaker 2: you'd think she was sixteen. No one knew her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought Kate Hudson did Christian rock. It would have
Speaker 2: been confused. Yeah. But then she transitioned from gospel music
Speaker 2: to secular music, and in her mid twenties released her
Speaker 2: album One of the Boys, which shot her to international
Speaker 2: That was I Kissed a Girl. We should also state
Speaker 2: she is close associates many friends of the canceled court Room, including,
Speaker 2: as we've stated, her first husband, Russell Brand, her current fiance,
Speaker 2: and the father of her Orlando, who obviously used to
Speaker 2: be married to another friend of the cancel court room,
Speaker 2: Miranda cour I have it on relatively good authority. I
Speaker 2: think I read it once that Katie and Miranda are
Speaker 2: on fine terms because of course they have Finn. Miranda
Speaker 2: and Orlando have Finn, and I imagine Katie's on good
Speaker 2: terms with Finn. Finn is a child. Now I've heard
Speaker 2: that they're friends. Jesse. My structure for today is as follows,
Speaker 2: I kissed a girl cultural appropriation, an awkward Instagram post,
Speaker 2: the time she filmed herself for seventy two hours, trying
Speaker 2: to feud with Taylor Swift, and a battle with nuns.
Speaker 2: This could have been a two part I went there's
Speaker 2: a lot I've left out my goodness, Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: I went really deep. I kissed a girl was my
Speaker 2: way I planned. This song was huge in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. Huge. It was fun, it was it was
Speaker 2: pre same sex marriage legislation. She was before her time. Well,
Speaker 2: in hindsight, slightly problematic, despite being about kissing a girl,
Speaker 2: which it is hard to believe was far more radical
Speaker 2: to sing about then than it is now. It's literally
Speaker 2: about kissing a girl for fun, rather than because you,
Speaker 2: for example, maybe sexually attracted to girls. Yeah right, I've
Speaker 2: never properly listened to the lyrics. Yeah, I think about it.
Speaker 2: The chorus is it was a banger Rhythmically, Yes, the
Speaker 2: chorus is I kissed a girl and I liked it
Speaker 2: the taste of her cherry chapstick. I kissed a girl
Speaker 2: just to try it. I hope my boyfriend don't mind
Speaker 2: it very much in the context of I'm kissing a
Speaker 2: girl for the titillation of my boyfriend, right, or I'm exploring.
Speaker 2: I'm exploring and I hope my boyfriend don't mind because
Speaker 2: I have committed an active infidelity. Yes, that's one way
Speaker 2: to look at it. Kissing a girl. It was very
Speaker 2: much like it's a wild thing to do at a party,
Speaker 2: not something you do because you were for example, saying
Speaker 2: sex attracted, which is also another lyric, is ain't no
Speaker 2: big deal. It's innocent, so don't worry. I'm not gay
Speaker 2: or anything. Yeah, right, okay, I can hear I'm just
Speaker 2: kissing a girl because it's sexy for the male gays.
Speaker 2: What we've got is that five minutes ago, Catherine Hudson
Speaker 2: was Christian Rock exactly like she was. I think that
Speaker 2: what we're watching is a bit of a transformation. I
Speaker 2: also think two thousand and eight doesn't feel like it
Speaker 2: very long time ago. Very different context and even this
Speaker 2: was new and edgy. Yeah, other lyrics it felt so wrong,
Speaker 2: it felt so right, and it's not what good girls do,
Speaker 2: not how they should behave. That's a Christian rock coming out.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sometimes you Christian rock spills out of your
Speaker 2: pop music. Yea, Now I Kissed a Girl Actually quite
Speaker 2: mild compared to another song from that same album titled
Speaker 2: You're So Gay, Oh You're so gay and joy like boy.
Speaker 2: The lyrics are you're so gay and you don't even
Speaker 2: like boys? Right, and it's about a guy. So remember
Speaker 2: when gay was used in that really problematic way ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen to twenty years ago. Yep, yep, it's literally
Speaker 2: a song about that, using that as a slur, really
Speaker 2: as a slur, and I can't even remember what it
Speaker 2: really meant and pathetic. Yeah, it was kind of a weird, interchangeable. Oh,
Speaker 2: it was incredibly homophobic, and the entire song is like,
Speaker 2: you're so gay and you don't even like boys. At
Speaker 2: the end the lyrics are, no, you don't even like No,
Speaker 2: you don't even like Penis Katie. It's really bad Lyricsy
Speaker 2: she wrote this song, she go write in credit Katie
Speaker 2: again again again, it's like Christian rock, do you want
Speaker 2: to write pop? And she's like, I think I'll write
Speaker 2: about the homosexuals. And it's like, maybe you don't. Maybe
Speaker 2: you don't, maybe you don't write don't. Katie has admitted
Speaker 2: when she was challenged about Our Kisser Girl that she
Speaker 2: would probably make an edit of the track now. She
Speaker 2: told Glamar, we've come a long way. Bisexuality wasn't has
Speaker 2: talked about back then, or any type of fluidity. Okay,
Speaker 2: so she seems more aware and honestly, something that we're
Speaker 2: about to get into is the fact that Katie Perry
Speaker 2: timed her career badly in that she did all the
Speaker 2: dumb shit people were doing in the early two thousands
Speaker 2: and then also existed at the time where everyone realized
Speaker 2: how dumb it was. Oh no, yeah, so whereas other
Speaker 2: people missed that part where everybody was just saying and
Speaker 2: doing really stupid thing. Yeah. Right, So if you're a
Speaker 2: Billie Eilish, for example, then you kind of you miss yeah,
Speaker 2: unless her time is coming. Yeah. Cultural appropriation. What everyone
Speaker 2: who was around in this era is guilty of this
Speaker 2: crime exactly from Ariana Grande, who else have we done?
Speaker 2: Who's guilty of oh every cut ash in Yeah, Miranda
Speaker 2: Kurt Yeah yeah. If you were famous at this time,
Speaker 2: a makeup artist was like, let's change your raise. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 2: America's next time model. Oh my god remember that? Yees,
Speaker 2: it was of its time. Yeah. Here are just a
Speaker 2: few examples, Jesse, tell me what you see, all right.
Speaker 2: So first image, we've got Cornrows. Great, yep, that is
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. That's bad. Oh, second one, I could have
Speaker 2: told you this was going to happen. It is a
Speaker 2: geisha and she's got an umbrella and she is in
Speaker 2: the traditional Japanese like cultural dress. And that was at
Speaker 2: the AMA's Yep. The one above was actually twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: That one's twenty thirteen. What's the next one? The next
Speaker 2: one is Cornrows twenty seventeen on Instagram, where I think
Speaker 2: people were like corn Rows and they would post Instagram
Speaker 2: and everyone's like no, no, no, no, just no, that's
Speaker 2: not actually no. Also, in her song this is how
Speaker 2: we do.
Speaker 3: This, we do.
Speaker 2: That, which is a terrible song, and I remember thinking
Speaker 2: at the time, this is bad. I it was like,
Speaker 2: if it's old, I wouldn't go this is bad. But
Speaker 2: I also wouldn't bop along, but I did be fine. Okay,
Speaker 2: she sings. Now we talk in astrology getting our nails
Speaker 2: down all Japanese in brackets. This is how we do.
Speaker 2: Hey is getting your nails done Japanese?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Guy, clearly just rhymed. But it didn't. Astrology in Japanese. Also,
Speaker 2: Japanese isn't a word. No, it's not. And clearly in
Speaker 2: the film clips, you're like in a nail salon. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're trying to say that people of Asian descent working
Speaker 2: like and they're like, well it worked when Gwen Stefani
Speaker 2: did hero Juku Girl, I did it because everyone's upset.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Okay. Now the culture has shifted. Katie's in
Speaker 2: a weird place, and this is what happens. She clearly
Speaker 2: felt weird about a number of things she had done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you just want to raise a few years, Yeah, photos
Speaker 2: get it, I get it. I'd like to raise two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Yeah. So she tried to make her
Speaker 2: music political, Yep, great, great. I just remember Pink did
Speaker 2: Dear Mister President like it was honestly, that was great. President,
Speaker 2: Come check a walk with me. I like that song. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Pink nailed it. Yeah, other people not so much. Oh No.
Speaker 2: Her Twitter bio read artist activist conscious Jesse. I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone needs to sign both that they're conscious, we assumed.
Speaker 2: And then when she goes to sleep, does she update
Speaker 2: it unconscious? And then she wakes up again? Are you conscious? Again?
Speaker 2: She decided she was doing purposeful pop and everyone one
Speaker 2: wants purposeful pop. No one wants that. And everyone was like, hmm,
Speaker 2: but what about jestures broadly and everything you've ever done?
Speaker 2: And she's like, things are different now. An awkward Instagram
Speaker 2: post in this era of trying to be very woke. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she posted this, Jesse. I want you to read the
Speaker 2: caption that she's posted on Instagram and then describe what
Speaker 2: you see. Okay, So this is the post she's written
Speaker 2: May two, twenty seventeen. All the news that's fit to print.
Speaker 2: And she's taken a photo of the New York Times.
Speaker 2: She's very clever reading the New York Times. And it
Speaker 2: is an image of someone it looks like the mcgala.
Speaker 2: So it's her at the macgala. Yep. But you want
Speaker 2: to just cast your eyes upwards. There is a man
Speaker 2: on fire, there's a man on fire. What what is
Speaker 2: she saying? Is she kind of hang on? Is she
Speaker 2: suggesting how ridiculous that I would be on the front
Speaker 2: page when there's old news of this gravity going on
Speaker 2: at the same time. Because that's a really good point. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a generous reading, right, because the captain says all
Speaker 2: the news that's fit to print with a little pointy
Speaker 2: finger and a love heart, love heart New York Times, right, okay,
Speaker 2: And that cover shows an image of a French policeman
Speaker 2: who had been set on fire during recent protests in Paris. Now,
Speaker 2: some people said she was making the point that her
Speaker 2: dress shouldn't be on that front page it has more
Speaker 2: newsworthy stories. But if that's true, she didn't express it
Speaker 2: very eloquently. She's too ambiguous, because what it looks like
Speaker 2: is you got the two big news stories right today, yeah,
Speaker 2: Or that she's gone all the news that fit to
Speaker 2: print and hears me at the met Gala and just
Speaker 2: focused on that and hasn't really noticed that there is
Speaker 2: some serious news on that page. Oh she didn't get
Speaker 2: the caption ru Yeah, the comments were pretty brutal and
Speaker 2: she didn't respond to it. And it's still Okay, so
Speaker 2: that was weird.
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Speaker 2: The time she filmed herself for seventy two hours. I
Speaker 2: need this explained, please. In twenty seventeen, to celebrate the
Speaker 2: release of her album Witness, Katie Perry installed forty one
Speaker 2: cameras in an LA apartment and broadcast her life for
Speaker 2: seventy two hours. This is interesting. This is artistically interesting
Speaker 2: if I'm thinking about fame and paparazzi and the experience
Speaker 2: of being surveiled. I don't hate this. I think it
Speaker 2: was a great boardroom concept. It wasn't the reality. In
Speaker 2: the stream you see her eating, meditating, and sleeping. Just
Speaker 2: think it's not particularly interesting to watch someone meditate. That's
Speaker 2: a very you experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a flex and playing with her dog,
Speaker 2: as well as doing a therapy session in her house.
Speaker 2: It wasn't her house, it was just an apartment. And
Speaker 2: James Corden comes to visit. Oh, she does cooking with
Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey, yoga with Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Oh see watunately,
Speaker 2: what's happened is you have recorded your life and I
Speaker 2: think it almost confirms why the perhaps want to watch you. Yes,
Speaker 2: James Corden came to visit. Yeah, from best.
Speaker 1: To worst in bed. Oh, now rank John Mayer, Diplo
Speaker 1: and Orlando Bloom, So let's go Diplo, yes, and then
Speaker 1: Mayor then Bloom, Bloom, then Mayor.
Speaker 2: Oh it's like this is why your life is actually
Speaker 2: quite interesting. Yes, but then she's talking about astrophysics with
Speaker 2: Neil deGrasse Hyacinth, and it's like, I don't think that
Speaker 2: you're usually doing that. There's also a dinner with a
Speaker 2: bunch of celebrities, including Margaret Cho and Caitlyn Jenna about
Speaker 2: politics and race relations. Oh no, please stay in your lane.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, this is mortifying, you know that.
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm recording my life for seventy two hours.
Speaker 2: It's like when you do a day in the life
Speaker 2: and you're like, well, I'm not going to do it,
Speaker 2: you know, on a random Tuesday. I mean do it
Speaker 2: on the busiest day of this year and make it
Speaker 2: look like I'm very productive. Yes, and I have a
Speaker 2: lot of work, and that I always get up early,
Speaker 2: that I always exercise, and that I always have forty
Speaker 2: five podcast records so that everyone thinks I'm very efficient.
Speaker 2: She recorded podcasts, and this is when she apologized for
Speaker 2: her past cultural appropriation.
Speaker 3: I've made to several mistakes, even in like this is
Speaker 3: how we do video about how I wore my hair
Speaker 3: and having a hard conversation with one of my empowered
Speaker 3: angels clear about what does it mean, why can't I
Speaker 3: wear my hair that way or what is the history
Speaker 3: behind wearing the hair that way?
Speaker 2: It was described as a bizarre publicity stunt, and The
Speaker 2: New Yorker said, every moment of witness worldwide, that's what
Speaker 2: it was called, felt heavy with promotional intention and low
Speaker 2: on spontaneity of frankness, which is also what makes the
Speaker 2: album itself a slog. But she was also praised for
Speaker 2: opening up about her mental health struggles so publicly. But Jess,
Speaker 2: would you film yourself for seventy two hours straight? I would?
Speaker 2: If I could pretend like it was a common occurrence
Speaker 2: that Neil Degrass Tyson comes over and we talk about astrophysics.
Speaker 2: What would you throw in there? I would definitely meditate,
Speaker 2: like if I was being filmed for seventy two hours,
Speaker 2: the things I would do to make it look like
Speaker 2: my life was fuller and more worthy than it truly is.
Speaker 2: I would spend a lot less time on my phone.
Speaker 2: I would be like, not scrolling TikTok for seventy two hours.
Speaker 2: Here's a thing that I think about, Katie Perry. You
Speaker 2: know how we often say, even at work, it's actually
Speaker 2: a skill to know what's interesting to other people, right,
Speaker 2: And I am not saying it's a good skill. It
Speaker 2: means you're a basic bitch. Yeah, I'm a basic bitch
Speaker 2: for example. Yeah, I would agree with that. In the
Speaker 2: I do not have sophisticated taste. No, don't think Katie
Speaker 2: Perry has particularly good instincts about what's interesting to other people.
Speaker 2: I find it all of this is extremely interesting. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't like think about it if your Gordon came
Speaker 2: to be there. Yeah, but like it was boring. And
Speaker 2: I like the idea that you would pretend like it
Speaker 2: is a normal Thursday night activity to have people over
Speaker 2: to talk about race relations. I like that. That's funny.
Speaker 2: I guess my question is this is twenty seventeen. Why
Speaker 2: didn't we care? Because did you care? No? I missed it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: why did we miss it? Because it was boring? I
Speaker 2: actually think it's because I don't know any of the
Speaker 2: songs from this album. Yeah, we'll get trying to feud
Speaker 2: with Taylor Sweet because maybe now.
Speaker 1: We got bad.
Speaker 2: In that seventy two hours she brought up her feud
Speaker 2: with Taylor Sweet. I don't understand. Sorry, Oh I've got
Speaker 2: a hole. So with the seventy two hours, where was
Speaker 2: it being broadcasting every like YouTube live? Yeah? Yep? Did you?
Speaker 2: I mean not? That was reported she got toilet a lot,
Speaker 2: she like had a shower, all of that, but like
Speaker 2: you couldn't see. No, you see her in bed, you
Speaker 2: see her sleeping, you see like that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But you see her like get up in the morning.
Speaker 2: But no, you don't see her seating on the toilet
Speaker 2: and do a shit. All right, Cool? Cool, cool. So
Speaker 2: she talked about her feud with Taylor Swift in a
Speaker 2: podcast interview from the House, saying, I'm ready to let
Speaker 2: it go. I forgive her and.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for anything I ever did, and.
Speaker 2: I hope the same from her. Like maybe I don't
Speaker 2: agree with everything she does, and she doesn't agree with
Speaker 2: everything I.
Speaker 3: Do, and I love her and I want the best
Speaker 3: for her.
Speaker 2: But I just really truly want to come together in
Speaker 2: a place of love and figure. Okay, but what don't
Speaker 2: you agree with that Taylor did going back in time
Speaker 2: this feud, Okay, Jesse. They started off very chummy, lots
Speaker 2: of tweets that are like, you're so sweet, happy birthday,
Speaker 2: pretty girl. Okay, so American, pretty girl. But then thirteen
Speaker 2: a dancer does an interview with an Australian publication. I
Speaker 2: love what Australia inserts itself called The Examiner, and the
Speaker 2: dancer was Lockhart Brownly, and he said in passing that
Speaker 2: he and two other dancers had left Taylor Swift's Red
Speaker 2: Tour to join Perry for her Prism tour. That's what
Speaker 2: I went to. I think, Okay, yeah, that checks out. Okay, obviously,
Speaker 2: great tour. Okay, thanks to Lockhart. Lockhart said, obviously, we
Speaker 2: were with Katie for two and a half years. She's
Speaker 2: like family to us, so we were like, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is Katy Perry.
Speaker 3: You know, this is Yeah, this is awesome.
Speaker 5: This is what I've always wanted to dream of.
Speaker 2: We weren't really dancing in Taylor's tour anyway, so I
Speaker 2: had got a little bored and I really wanted to
Speaker 2: do a promo tour. Then Taylor Swift releases Bad Blood
Speaker 2: the following year, twenty fourteen, and she says it's about
Speaker 2: a female music artist who you won't name, who tried
Speaker 2: to sabotage her tour by hiring people on her staff.
Speaker 2: People were like, oh, oh, it's clearly Katie Pearmber Lockhart. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Katie Perry tweets this watch out for the Regina George
Speaker 2: in Sheep's clothing Okay. So what we've got is it's
Speaker 2: clear it's a feud. Yep, there's all this passive aggressive
Speaker 2: stuff floating around on Twitter. But the problem is Katie
Speaker 2: clearly has a bit of a dip in her career,
Speaker 2: and she's like, cool, oh my feud with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: She did Bad Blood all do a dis track? Humming back?
Speaker 2: Oh and Jesse, I'm going to remind you what her
Speaker 2: dis track was. Okay. Oh, you look really sad, don't
Speaker 2: It gives me sad feelings?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Because it just wasn't Bad Blood quality wise? Do I
Speaker 2: know this song? You actually do, but you've forgotten it? Okay?
Speaker 2: Which is for the best.
Speaker 1: Sish Swishish another one.
Speaker 2: Look, it wasn't quite the same. But what I would
Speaker 2: like to crossecute is, do you think there is a
Speaker 2: manner or a woman in the music industry who has
Speaker 2: a bucket full of disk tracks and you knock on
Speaker 2: his door or her door. I would like one times distrack.
Speaker 2: What would you like to include. Well, there's a feud,
Speaker 2: there's a Twitter incident, there's a career upset. I have
Speaker 2: just the disc track. It's called Swish Swish, It's called Sish,
Speaker 2: I promise you it will be big. Did you write
Speaker 2: bad Blood? No, No, that wasn't me. Yes, it's not good.
Speaker 2: It's the film and the film Cliff isn't good. And
Speaker 2: it's weird. It is weird, and it's not really very funny.
Speaker 2: Well it's weird because I don't get it, like swish
Speaker 2: swish fish like is that what it's it's not very classy.
Speaker 2: It's not very classy. And it's also like we said
Speaker 2: this about dis tracks, fucking get to it. Yeah, get
Speaker 2: to the point and more say what you mean, more explicit,
Speaker 2: more explicit about what we're upset about, because swish swish
Speaker 2: to me, we're suggesting we've got a basketball and now
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about basketball to follow. Why are
Speaker 2: we mad at Taylor Swift? Yeah, at Taylor Allison Swift?
Speaker 2: What has she done to us? Make it clear up,
Speaker 2: make it clearer. What's happened behind the scenes? How do
Speaker 2: we feel about such things? Jesse? It got completely panned,
Speaker 2: and especially in hindsight, people are like, there's bad Blood,
Speaker 2: it's also kind of Taylor's career, and then there's Swedishi.
Speaker 2: Oh sishly, she didn't do what she hoped it would know,
Speaker 2: So Jess. You might be thinking, like, oh, I feel
Speaker 2: like Katerberry hasn't done a lot music wise recently. She has.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two she did that menu log song
Speaker 2: menu Log. Oh how it goes? It's like did somebody see?
Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh and she's really really trying.
Speaker 3: The let you.
Speaker 1: And what must Yeah yeah yeah, when a borrowing delivery.
Speaker 2: Hurry in a hurry, yeah yeah yeah. And she's like,
Speaker 2: papaa salad while I sing a ballad. You think she
Speaker 2: wrote that you're better than this. You are better because
Speaker 2: you didn't Snoop Dogg do uber eats or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know. They're throwing big dollars. Would you say no,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I would go menulogue dig dong because
Speaker 2: I would say this is a brand I believe in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly right. A battle with nuns. This was me very
Speaker 2: late last night. There's a pedestrian article titled we really
Speaker 2: don't talk enough about that time and Nune died in
Speaker 2: court while fighting Katie Perry I killed and none and
Speaker 2: I liked it. It's not funny. We don't talk enough
Speaker 2: about that. That's true. I remember seeing these keywords at
Speaker 2: the time. But I feel like I never clear you
Speaker 2: were obsessed with this story, because I at one point
Speaker 2: you definitely knew all the details of this story. Okay.
Speaker 2: The first line of that article is does anyone else
Speaker 2: constantly think about that time? And Nune said Katie Perry,
Speaker 2: please stop before literally dropping dead in court? And yes, Jesse,
Speaker 2: yes I do think about that very often. A right, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: and I forget all the details, and everyone forgets the details. Okay,
Speaker 2: why was Katy Perry in court? In twenty fifteen? Katie
Speaker 2: Perry goes to buy a former convent. Okay, it feels
Speaker 2: a bit strange, it does, given her religious upbringing, and
Speaker 2: it's like, could we buy something that isn't a convent? Anyway,
Speaker 2: she strikes a deal with the Catholic archdiocese and she
Speaker 2: pays fourteen point five million dollars for the former convent,
Speaker 2: but the nuns are like, no, no, no, we own
Speaker 2: it as the nuns who live here. So they sell
Speaker 2: it to someone else, a woman named Dana, for fifteen
Speaker 2: point five meal. Okay, I know a little bit about
Speaker 2: how nuns work. I thought nuns took a vow of chastity.
Speaker 2: I think that's true with sex. No of poverty, of poverty.
Speaker 2: They take a vow of poverty because nuns, when you
Speaker 2: go into that nunnery, you're not meant to be making
Speaker 2: fifteen point five minutes. No, and you're not putting down
Speaker 2: a deposit. You don't have a mortgage. Why do you
Speaker 2: not have a mortgage because you're not technically working. You
Speaker 2: are working, No, they are, God, No, they are working. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you're not getting a salary. No, so you can't
Speaker 2: pay your mortgage. No, okay, who owns it? The pope?
Speaker 2: Who gets all that money. So Katie is like, it's fine,
Speaker 2: it's fine. I can fix this. So she goes to
Speaker 2: the nuns. She shows them her Jesus tattoo. Okay, yep,
Speaker 2: and she sings, oh, happy day to the nuts. They're
Speaker 2: not impressed. No, you've underestimated the nuns and in and art,
Speaker 2: I think that's worth a million bucks. Well, actually I
Speaker 2: was gonna say that's the difference in it, but really
Speaker 2: fifteen meal, Well she sings, I think they're pissed at
Speaker 2: Katy Perry ever since Psychistic Girl. Well that's the thing
Speaker 2: in an article talking about when Katy Perry came to visit,
Speaker 2: they were like, well we looked her up. One we
Speaker 2: looked her up and two this is petty. One of
Speaker 2: the nuns said she had to google the lyrics to
Speaker 2: Oh Happy Day. Surely she knew some Christian rock by hour.
Speaker 2: I know, but I don't know if nuns like Christian rock. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they only like hymns. Oh Happy Day seems
Speaker 2: even a little bit joyous. Yes, we've just looked up
Speaker 2: the lyrics to our happy Days. There are no lyrics.
Speaker 2: It's just that, oh happy Days, Oh happy Day. Oh
Speaker 2: Like it's quite repetitive. I don't know how you don't
Speaker 2: know the lyrics to that? What are you checking? Mate?
Speaker 2: Good one. So they're not impressed with Katy Perry. They're like, like, bitch,
Speaker 2: this ain't about singing, this about golder cash, this is
Speaker 2: about care. But hang on, nuns, Knty Perry can't spend
Speaker 2: fourteen mil on a convent and not get it. Well,
Speaker 2: how about capitalism work? How about Dana? You can't sell
Speaker 2: it twice? This is what happens when we're out of
Speaker 2: the capitalist game for too long. Sell our convent to
Speaker 2: multiple people and give it to none. Yeah, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do with all of that money? Then
Speaker 2: the court is a bora bora. You shouldn't. You shouldn't,
Speaker 2: you're none. Then the court is like, nah, legit, Nuns,
Speaker 2: with all due respects, you don't own the property. You
Speaker 2: didn't does You didn't legally sell it. It's Katie's to buy.
Speaker 2: The archdiosis thing was legit, but the nuns were still
Speaker 2: fighting it in court. One nun who was fighting the sale,
Speaker 2: sister Catherine Rose Holsman, told media to Katy Perry, please stop.
Speaker 2: It's not doing anyone any good except hurting a lot
Speaker 2: of people. Just after she said that, she went to
Speaker 2: court for an appearance related to the k and she
Speaker 2: collapsed and she died. It's a lot like Katie, Katie Babe,
Speaker 2: buy another convent, buy another convent. But even in celebrity
Speaker 2: standards in USD it's a lot of more. Email is
Speaker 2: a lot of money there. We talked about Sidney Sweeney.
Speaker 2: Her house is only like four yeah, yeah, but she's
Speaker 2: Perry forked out for that convent. And you can't then
Speaker 2: just say we own it because when nuns, I mean,
Speaker 2: the other solution would be the nuns live alongside you, Perry,
Speaker 2: and they do attend the race. Relations didn't party and
Speaker 2: nil Dea grass Tyson comes over and they discuss how
Speaker 2: the universe was formed. Yeah, I think that would be
Speaker 2: fun for her. Seventy two hour Last Dreamy. Yeah, Jesse
Speaker 2: is time for charges and sentences. Jesse my charge. And
Speaker 2: I want to say this in a really in a
Speaker 2: nice way. But I went deep and I watched a
Speaker 2: lot of Katie Perry videos. I listen to a lot
Speaker 2: of Katie Perry music, and particularly the longer her career goes, huh,
Speaker 2: the lower the quality. Things aren't good. Every time she
Speaker 2: releases new music, goes further and further into the abyss
Speaker 2: all right, and film clips just aren't really good quality,
Speaker 2: and then not very I don't know. I liked Teenage
Speaker 2: Dream Yeah, no like. And I'm sure people listening to
Speaker 2: this will disagree with me, but I just I look
Speaker 2: at it and I think, lately, Yeah, I go, Katie,
Speaker 2: you don't believe it. You don't believe it, don't believe
Speaker 2: in yourself, you don't believe in this music. You know what?
Speaker 2: She needs to listen to firework, she needs j out
Speaker 2: and raw. Yes, listen to those and then sit down
Speaker 2: and try and write. Because for the record, she has
Speaker 2: created some of the greatest music of this said, I agree,
Speaker 2: agree genuinely, but lately but I think she actually does
Speaker 2: feel like a plastic bag floating through the wind trying
Speaker 2: to starting. Yeah, I genuinely think, yes, I bet she's
Speaker 2: a firework, but I think at the moment, her heart's
Speaker 2: not in it and it's coming through. That's okay. Our
Speaker 2: heart doesn't have to always be in it. No, I
Speaker 2: don't think she even asked Dorer music anymore. She's fine.
Speaker 2: She can hang out with Daisy, that's her daughter. Yeah, sentence, Jess.
Speaker 2: Sometimes when we make mistakes, we just need to go
Speaker 2: back and correct it. Yeah, all right, we need to
Speaker 2: go back to swish swish huh, and we need to
Speaker 2: make a better quality disc track right, and potentially a
Speaker 2: diss album because what she wanted to do, she wanted
Speaker 2: to respond to Taylor, and she didn't get her moment.
Speaker 2: Because I actually think when I look at the whole story,
Speaker 2: I go, Okay, I might be on your side, but
Speaker 2: you just didn't follow through the quality of your work.
Speaker 2: Do you have that you're in an argument or you're
Speaker 2: in like even an online back and forth, and you
Speaker 2: go back and you go, that wasn't my best. No,
Speaker 2: that has more potential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was full
Speaker 2: of adrenaline. I panicked. I went for speed the quality. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's with my twist fish. No no, no, no, no, no, Katie,
Speaker 2: take a breath, Take a breath. Take a breath, because,
Speaker 2: in Katie's defense, I was thinking of it and I
Speaker 2: was like, it actually would be upsetting if you're Katy
Speaker 2: Perry and Taylor Swift makes a whole song being mean
Speaker 2: about you. Katy Perry kept trying to steal her dances?
Speaker 2: Is that I don't know. I don't know anyway. I
Speaker 2: just think she needs to go back, give it another
Speaker 2: cake two, maybe even recruit Tail Swift for some songwriting help.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to write a dischack or go back
Speaker 2: to the man or woman with the bucket and say
Speaker 2: a better one. Can I have a little look through?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Can I see if there's something a bit
Speaker 2: better than swish swish fish and see if there's something
Speaker 2: that might be more true to me and my story? Yes, yes, exactly, Jesse.
Speaker 2: What's your charge, all right? My charge is that I
Speaker 2: think getting into a legal stout with nuns plural is
Speaker 2: bad juju. I think you don't want to get god offside,
Speaker 2: and that's what you've done, because you know who prays
Speaker 2: a lot, nuns, And yeah, they can pray for what
Speaker 2: they want, but they can also say Katie, and you
Speaker 2: don't want God to know that. And I'm worried about
Speaker 2: their connection with the afterlife, with fate, with sin, with
Speaker 2: such things. My sentence is, I do think that she
Speaker 2: owes something to the nuns because she upset them and
Speaker 2: because they lost one of their own. Would you say
Speaker 2: fifteen point five mel No, Okay. What I would say
Speaker 2: is that I feel like those nuns felt displaced and
Speaker 2: that they liked their convent. Now I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: but when I imagine convent, sound amusing alive with the sun.
Speaker 2: I'm the convent i've ever seen, Oh my gosh. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: and it's like a a castle with like stone. It's
Speaker 2: got like gates, it's got gates. So I think that
Speaker 2: living alongside, almost like a commune, with the nuns, and
Speaker 2: what she owes them is a hymn a day, I
Speaker 2: think that would be lovely. So she comes in and
Speaker 2: there's a little church where they do all their praying
Speaker 2: and stuff. Importantly, him chosen by the nuns, not by you. Katie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's the good hymn? My Jesus my Save Yeah love.
Speaker 2: There is none that's a good one. I think there's
Speaker 2: one about is my Shepherd. It's quite deep. I feel
Speaker 2: like that would suit her. Amazing grace, Oh fabulous. And
Speaker 2: learn the lyrics, Katie, because they can see when you're
Speaker 2: checking Google. They don't like it really pulls focus when
Speaker 2: you're on your phone reading lyrics in church. So learn them.
Speaker 2: And I feel like this isn't from the goodness of
Speaker 2: your heart. I just think you don't want to cross nuns.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's something I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: needed to say, but I wouldn't cross them. Jesse. That's
Speaker 2: all we've got time for today. On cancel if you
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Speaker 2: is produced by Elsa This as with audio editing by
Speaker 2: Tom Lyon. We will see you next week. Bye bye.