WEBVTT - Katy "Feud With Taylor Swift" Perry

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<v Speaker 1>So much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. MoMA Maya acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>is recorded on Hello and Welcome to canceled the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and

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<v Speaker 2>sentences to them so we can all move on with

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<v Speaker 2>our lives. I'm Claire Stephens, and I'm Jesse Stevens. Jesse,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have a lazy girl storry? I do? It

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<v Speaker 2>is from Jen. Jen says I have a washing basket

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<v Speaker 2>full of my good dresses. Immediately know what you mean that.

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<v Speaker 2>I decided about a month ago needed a wash, and

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<v Speaker 2>my husband keeps reminding me that they are there. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been putting it off because dresses like that need to

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<v Speaker 2>be put through a delicate cycle, and then once they

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<v Speaker 2>are dry, they are all crinkled and I would need

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<v Speaker 2>to iron them. I decided today was the day to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with them. I'm like, hang on, this stuffn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>very lazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Jen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, well, instead of washing them, I simply hung

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<v Speaker 2>them back up in my wardrobe and closed the door.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a lazy girl problem solved. What I will also say,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a pile of dresses that I'm like, these

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<v Speaker 2>I'll take to a tailor. Do you know a tailor.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get them taken up because everything's a bit too

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<v Speaker 2>long on me. You've never met a tailor. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>a decade. I actually did go to a taylor recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I had someone else organize it for me, cheap, quick, easy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a house on my street and I walked in.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, surely not, I swear. I was like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen dollars. It's like, people shouldn't get things tailored. This

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous. This is the same with my whites, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've been burned with my whites. So I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>few things that I put in the sink. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a laundry of a cupboard that claims to be

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<v Speaker 2>a laundry, but I put them there, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't go in with the other things. You stay right there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then months past, and I don't wear white. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because they also eight it's fine, it's not summer. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the season.

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<v Speaker 1>You are about to enter the canceled courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>The defendants are celebrities, the chargers are petty. The rulings

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<v Speaker 2>are final, Jesse. Today we're talking about Katie Perry.

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<v Speaker 3>So excited, Ky, welcome to Candy fourn Yes, hope, this

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<v Speaker 3>is an annoying you are quite Candy.

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<v Speaker 2>Get the fuck out Weg.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you just say wegg?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know Wegg.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel that already.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not your language, it's just for us. I

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<v Speaker 3>love you.

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine Elizabeth Hudson is an American singer. So she's Kate Hudson. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>she's Kate Hudson. Yeah, oh wow. Perry is her mum's

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<v Speaker 2>maiden name love, but it becomes clear why she changed

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<v Speaker 2>her name. She's American singer, songwriter, and television personality best

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<v Speaker 2>known for songs like I Kissed a Girl's Hot and

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<v Speaker 2>Cold Firework Raw. So I never go to concerts of

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<v Speaker 2>bench Cocatie peric I was gonna say, how was that?

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<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed it. I love the song raw, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get emotional. That's not the one about the plastic bag

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<v Speaker 2>floating through the wind. That's firework. I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever feel like the plastic bay drifting through

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<v Speaker 3>the wind wanting to start again?

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. Firework gets me. Yeah. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>good era, Oh there was, and it ended yes, Rory,

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<v Speaker 2>my partner really likes the birthday one. Yeah, it's good

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<v Speaker 2>for birthday. It's great for birthdays. Is actually I would

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<v Speaker 2>say my favorite non happy birthday birthday songs. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like happy birthday, so I quite like just an alternative. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She's one of the best selling artists of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>which I feel like everyone is. Yeah, I have questions

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<v Speaker 2>and she's also She's also released an autobiographical documentary called

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<v Speaker 2>Katy Perry Part of Me twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>The atmosphere I grew up in was, you know, completely

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<v Speaker 3>one Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>King got her first guitar through the church. I just

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<v Speaker 2>sum started to play the guitar. I'm a little amate sheriff.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a music show. It's all on my hand, it's

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<v Speaker 2>in my heart actually, yep. And it focused on her

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<v Speaker 2>breakup from Mussel Brand. There is anything you would like

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<v Speaker 2>to know about that? Yeah, I have it on hand.

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<v Speaker 2>There's simply nothing more heartbreaking than Katy Perry backstage, being

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<v Speaker 2>dumped from her marriage by text and having to perform. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all been there emotionally, not really. Her debut album

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<v Speaker 2>was actually contemporary Christian record called Katie Hudson, released when

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<v Speaker 2>she was sixteen. I've got in my notes Christian music

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<v Speaker 2>actually slaps. Sometimes it does. We were at a church

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<v Speaker 2>recently that was clapping. It was acoustic. Yeah, people got

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<v Speaker 2>really into it. Sometimes it's really good. But you know that,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's quite loaded the lyrics, and also you singing

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<v Speaker 2>it or listening to it in your house says a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about you, which is fine. But I'm actually I'm

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<v Speaker 2>all for it. It didn't sell very well because I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it is. I was gonna say Nation in America,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd think she was sixteen. No one knew her. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Kate Hudson did Christian rock. It would have

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<v Speaker 2>been confused. Yeah. But then she transitioned from gospel music

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<v Speaker 2>to secular music, and in her mid twenties released her

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<v Speaker 2>album One of the Boys, which shot her to international

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<v Speaker 2>That was I Kissed a Girl. We should also state

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<v Speaker 2>she is close associates many friends of the canceled court Room, including,

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<v Speaker 2>as we've stated, her first husband, Russell Brand, her current fiance,

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<v Speaker 2>and the father of her Orlando, who obviously used to

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<v Speaker 2>be married to another friend of the cancel court room,

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<v Speaker 2>Miranda cour I have it on relatively good authority. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I read it once that Katie and Miranda are

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<v Speaker 2>on fine terms because of course they have Finn. Miranda

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<v Speaker 2>and Orlando have Finn, and I imagine Katie's on good

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<v Speaker 2>terms with Finn. Finn is a child. Now I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>that they're friends. Jesse. My structure for today is as follows,

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<v Speaker 2>I kissed a girl cultural appropriation, an awkward Instagram post,

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<v Speaker 2>the time she filmed herself for seventy two hours, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to feud with Taylor Swift, and a battle with nuns.

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<v Speaker 2>This could have been a two part I went there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot I've left out my goodness, Okay, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I went really deep. I kissed a girl was my

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<v Speaker 2>way I planned. This song was huge in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and eight. Huge. It was fun, it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>pre same sex marriage legislation. She was before her time. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>in hindsight, slightly problematic, despite being about kissing a girl,

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<v Speaker 2>which it is hard to believe was far more radical

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<v Speaker 2>to sing about then than it is now. It's literally

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<v Speaker 2>about kissing a girl for fun, rather than because you,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, maybe sexually attracted to girls. Yeah right, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never properly listened to the lyrics. Yeah, I think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The chorus is it was a banger Rhythmically, Yes, the

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<v Speaker 2>chorus is I kissed a girl and I liked it

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<v Speaker 2>the taste of her cherry chapstick. I kissed a girl

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<v Speaker 2>just to try it. I hope my boyfriend don't mind

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<v Speaker 2>it very much in the context of I'm kissing a

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<v Speaker 2>girl for the titillation of my boyfriend, right, or I'm exploring.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm exploring and I hope my boyfriend don't mind because

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<v Speaker 2>I have committed an active infidelity. Yes, that's one way

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<v Speaker 2>to look at it. Kissing a girl. It was very

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<v Speaker 2>much like it's a wild thing to do at a party,

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<v Speaker 2>not something you do because you were for example, saying

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<v Speaker 2>sex attracted, which is also another lyric, is ain't no

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<v Speaker 2>big deal. It's innocent, so don't worry. I'm not gay

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. Yeah, right, okay, I can hear I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>kissing a girl because it's sexy for the male gays.

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<v Speaker 2>What we've got is that five minutes ago, Catherine Hudson

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<v Speaker 2>was Christian Rock exactly like she was. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>what we're watching is a bit of a transformation. I

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<v Speaker 2>also think two thousand and eight doesn't feel like it

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<v Speaker 2>very long time ago. Very different context and even this

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<v Speaker 2>was new and edgy. Yeah, other lyrics it felt so wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt so right, and it's not what good girls do,

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<v Speaker 2>not how they should behave. That's a Christian rock coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, sometimes you Christian rock spills out of your

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<v Speaker 2>pop music. Yea, Now I Kissed a Girl Actually quite

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<v Speaker 2>mild compared to another song from that same album titled

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<v Speaker 2>You're So Gay, Oh You're so gay and joy like boy.

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<v Speaker 2>The lyrics are you're so gay and you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>like boys? Right, and it's about a guy. So remember

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<v Speaker 2>when gay was used in that really problematic way ten

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<v Speaker 2>to fifteen to twenty years ago. Yep, yep, it's literally

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<v Speaker 2>a song about that, using that as a slur, really

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<v Speaker 2>as a slur, and I can't even remember what it

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<v Speaker 2>really meant and pathetic. Yeah, it was kind of a weird, interchangeable. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it was incredibly homophobic, and the entire song is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're so gay and you don't even like boys. At

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<v Speaker 2>the end the lyrics are, no, you don't even like No,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't even like Penis Katie. It's really bad Lyricsy

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<v Speaker 2>she wrote this song, she go write in credit Katie

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<v Speaker 2>again again again, it's like Christian rock, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to write pop? And she's like, I think I'll write

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<v Speaker 2>about the homosexuals. And it's like, maybe you don't. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you don't, maybe you don't write don't. Katie has admitted

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<v Speaker 2>when she was challenged about Our Kisser Girl that she

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<v Speaker 2>would probably make an edit of the track now. She

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<v Speaker 2>told Glamar, we've come a long way. Bisexuality wasn't has

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<v Speaker 2>talked about back then, or any type of fluidity. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so she seems more aware and honestly, something that we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to get into is the fact that Katie Perry

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<v Speaker 2>timed her career badly in that she did all the

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<v Speaker 2>dumb shit people were doing in the early two thousands

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<v Speaker 2>and then also existed at the time where everyone realized

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<v Speaker 2>how dumb it was. Oh no, yeah, so whereas other

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<v Speaker 2>people missed that part where everybody was just saying and

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<v Speaker 2>doing really stupid thing. Yeah. Right, So if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Billie Eilish, for example, then you kind of you miss yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>unless her time is coming. Yeah. Cultural appropriation. What everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who was around in this era is guilty of this

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<v Speaker 2>crime exactly from Ariana Grande, who else have we done?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's guilty of oh every cut ash in Yeah, Miranda

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Yeah yeah. If you were famous at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>a makeup artist was like, let's change your raise. Yeah no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>America's next time model. Oh my god remember that? Yees,

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<v Speaker 2>it was of its time. Yeah. Here are just a

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<v Speaker 2>few examples, Jesse, tell me what you see, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So first image, we've got Cornrows. Great, yep, that is

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen. That's bad. Oh, second one, I could have

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<v Speaker 2>told you this was going to happen. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>geisha and she's got an umbrella and she is in

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<v Speaker 2>the traditional Japanese like cultural dress. And that was at

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<v Speaker 2>the AMA's Yep. The one above was actually twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>That one's twenty thirteen. What's the next one? The next

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<v Speaker 2>one is Cornrows twenty seventeen on Instagram, where I think

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<v Speaker 2>people were like corn Rows and they would post Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone's like no, no, no, no, just no, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not actually no. Also, in her song this is how

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<v Speaker 2>we do.

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<v Speaker 3>This, we do.

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<v Speaker 2>That, which is a terrible song, and I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, this is bad. I it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's old, I wouldn't go this is bad. But

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<v Speaker 2>I also wouldn't bop along, but I did be fine. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she sings. Now we talk in astrology getting our nails

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<v Speaker 2>down all Japanese in brackets. This is how we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey is getting your nails done Japanese?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy, clearly just rhymed. But it didn't. Astrology in Japanese. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese isn't a word. No, it's not. And clearly in

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<v Speaker 2>the film clips, you're like in a nail salon. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're trying to say that people of Asian descent working

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<v Speaker 2>like and they're like, well it worked when Gwen Stefani

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<v Speaker 2>did hero Juku Girl, I did it because everyone's upset.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. Okay. Now the culture has shifted. Katie's in

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<v Speaker 2>a weird place, and this is what happens. She clearly

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<v Speaker 2>felt weird about a number of things she had done. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you just want to raise a few years, Yeah, photos

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<v Speaker 2>get it, I get it. I'd like to raise two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight. Yeah. So she tried to make her

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<v Speaker 2>music political, Yep, great, great. I just remember Pink did

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<v Speaker 2>Dear Mister President like it was honestly, that was great. President,

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<v Speaker 2>Come check a walk with me. I like that song. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Pink nailed it. Yeah, other people not so much. Oh No.

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<v Speaker 2>Her Twitter bio read artist activist conscious Jesse. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anyone needs to sign both that they're conscious, we assumed.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when she goes to sleep, does she update

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<v Speaker 2>it unconscious? And then she wakes up again? Are you conscious? Again?

0:14:08.989 --> 0:14:13.069
<v Speaker 2>She decided she was doing purposeful pop and everyone one

0:14:13.109 --> 0:14:16.709
<v Speaker 2>wants purposeful pop. No one wants that. And everyone was like, hmm,

0:14:17.189 --> 0:14:20.989
<v Speaker 2>but what about jestures broadly and everything you've ever done?

0:14:21.309 --> 0:14:24.989
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, things are different now. An awkward Instagram

0:14:25.029 --> 0:14:28.789
<v Speaker 2>post in this era of trying to be very woke. Yeah,

0:14:29.229 --> 0:14:32.349
<v Speaker 2>she posted this, Jesse. I want you to read the

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<v Speaker 2>caption that she's posted on Instagram and then describe what

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<v Speaker 2>you see. Okay, So this is the post she's written

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<v Speaker 2>May two, twenty seventeen. All the news that's fit to print.

0:14:43.509 --> 0:14:44.989
<v Speaker 2>And she's taken a photo of the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>She's very clever reading the New York Times. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is an image of someone it looks like the mcgala.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's her at the macgala. Yep. But you want

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<v Speaker 2>to just cast your eyes upwards. There is a man

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<v Speaker 2>on fire, there's a man on fire. What what is

0:15:02.269 --> 0:15:04.789
<v Speaker 2>she saying? Is she kind of hang on? Is she

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<v Speaker 2>suggesting how ridiculous that I would be on the front

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<v Speaker 2>page when there's old news of this gravity going on

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time. Because that's a really good point. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a generous reading, right, because the captain says all

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<v Speaker 2>the news that's fit to print with a little pointy

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<v Speaker 2>finger and a love heart, love heart New York Times, right, okay,

0:15:25.149 --> 0:15:27.709
<v Speaker 2>And that cover shows an image of a French policeman

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<v Speaker 2>who had been set on fire during recent protests in Paris. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>some people said she was making the point that her

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<v Speaker 2>dress shouldn't be on that front page it has more

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<v Speaker 2>newsworthy stories. But if that's true, she didn't express it

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<v Speaker 2>very eloquently. She's too ambiguous, because what it looks like

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<v Speaker 2>is you got the two big news stories right today, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Or that she's gone all the news that fit to

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<v Speaker 2>print and hears me at the met Gala and just

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<v Speaker 2>focused on that and hasn't really noticed that there is

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<v Speaker 2>some serious news on that page. Oh she didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't respond to it. And it's still Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>that was weird.

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<v Speaker 2>The time she filmed herself for seventy two hours. I

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<v Speaker 2>need this explained, please. In twenty seventeen, to celebrate the

0:17:19.669 --> 0:17:24.029
<v Speaker 2>release of her album Witness, Katie Perry installed forty one

0:17:24.149 --> 0:17:27.989
<v Speaker 2>cameras in an LA apartment and broadcast her life for

0:17:28.069 --> 0:17:32.589
<v Speaker 2>seventy two hours. This is interesting. This is artistically interesting

0:17:32.669 --> 0:17:36.069
<v Speaker 2>if I'm thinking about fame and paparazzi and the experience

0:17:36.109 --> 0:17:38.909
<v Speaker 2>of being surveiled. I don't hate this. I think it

0:17:38.949 --> 0:17:44.229
<v Speaker 2>was a great boardroom concept. It wasn't the reality. In

0:17:44.269 --> 0:17:48.189
<v Speaker 2>the stream you see her eating, meditating, and sleeping. Just

0:17:48.229 --> 0:17:50.869
<v Speaker 2>think it's not particularly interesting to watch someone meditate. That's

0:17:50.909 --> 0:17:52.709
<v Speaker 2>a very you experience.

0:17:52.749 --> 0:17:52.909
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's also a flex and playing with her dog,

0:17:56.589 --> 0:17:59.349
<v Speaker 2>as well as doing a therapy session in her house.

0:17:59.669 --> 0:18:02.709
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't her house, it was just an apartment. And

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<v Speaker 2>James Corden comes to visit. Oh, she does cooking with

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon Ramsey, yoga with Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Oh see watunately,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happened is you have recorded your life and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it almost confirms why the perhaps want to watch you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>James Corden came to visit. Yeah, from best.

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<v Speaker 1>To worst in bed. Oh, now rank John Mayer, Diplo

0:18:26.389 --> 0:18:36.029
<v Speaker 1>and Orlando Bloom, So let's go Diplo, yes, and then

0:18:36.909 --> 0:18:39.069
<v Speaker 1>Mayor then Bloom, Bloom, then Mayor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's like this is why your life is actually

0:18:42.909 --> 0:18:46.069
<v Speaker 2>quite interesting. Yes, but then she's talking about astrophysics with

0:18:46.149 --> 0:18:49.549
<v Speaker 2>Neil deGrasse Hyacinth, and it's like, I don't think that

0:18:49.669 --> 0:18:52.789
<v Speaker 2>you're usually doing that. There's also a dinner with a

0:18:52.789 --> 0:18:57.309
<v Speaker 2>bunch of celebrities, including Margaret Cho and Caitlyn Jenna about

0:18:57.309 --> 0:19:01.989
<v Speaker 2>politics and race relations. Oh no, please stay in your lane.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no no, this is mortifying, you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, I'm recording my life for seventy two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when you do a day in the life

0:19:10.549 --> 0:19:12.269
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, well, I'm not going to do it,

0:19:12.469 --> 0:19:14.669
<v Speaker 2>you know, on a random Tuesday. I mean do it

0:19:14.669 --> 0:19:16.549
<v Speaker 2>on the busiest day of this year and make it

0:19:16.589 --> 0:19:18.909
<v Speaker 2>look like I'm very productive. Yes, and I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of work, and that I always get up early,

0:19:21.069 --> 0:19:24.069
<v Speaker 2>that I always exercise, and that I always have forty

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<v Speaker 2>five podcast records so that everyone thinks I'm very efficient.

0:19:28.309 --> 0:19:31.949
<v Speaker 2>She recorded podcasts, and this is when she apologized for

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<v Speaker 2>her past cultural appropriation.

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<v Speaker 3>I've made to several mistakes, even in like this is

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<v Speaker 3>how we do video about how I wore my hair

0:19:39.389 --> 0:19:42.989
<v Speaker 3>and having a hard conversation with one of my empowered

0:19:43.029 --> 0:19:46.669
<v Speaker 3>angels clear about what does it mean, why can't I

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<v Speaker 3>wear my hair that way or what is the history

0:19:49.789 --> 0:19:51.429
<v Speaker 3>behind wearing the hair that way?

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<v Speaker 2>It was described as a bizarre publicity stunt, and The

0:19:55.069 --> 0:19:58.709
<v Speaker 2>New Yorker said, every moment of witness worldwide, that's what

0:19:58.749 --> 0:20:02.629
<v Speaker 2>it was called, felt heavy with promotional intention and low

0:20:02.749 --> 0:20:06.389
<v Speaker 2>on spontaneity of frankness, which is also what makes the

0:20:06.429 --> 0:20:09.749
<v Speaker 2>album itself a slog. But she was also praised for

0:20:09.749 --> 0:20:14.389
<v Speaker 2>opening up about her mental health struggles so publicly. But Jess,

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<v Speaker 2>would you film yourself for seventy two hours straight? I would?

0:20:17.629 --> 0:20:19.829
<v Speaker 2>If I could pretend like it was a common occurrence

0:20:19.829 --> 0:20:22.909
<v Speaker 2>that Neil Degrass Tyson comes over and we talk about astrophysics.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you throw in there? I would definitely meditate,

0:20:26.949 --> 0:20:29.549
<v Speaker 2>like if I was being filmed for seventy two hours,

0:20:29.589 --> 0:20:32.309
<v Speaker 2>the things I would do to make it look like

0:20:33.349 --> 0:20:37.189
<v Speaker 2>my life was fuller and more worthy than it truly is.

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<v Speaker 2>I would spend a lot less time on my phone.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like, not scrolling TikTok for seventy two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's a thing that I think about, Katie Perry. You

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<v Speaker 2>know how we often say, even at work, it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>a skill to know what's interesting to other people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I am not saying it's a good skill. It

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<v Speaker 2>means you're a basic bitch. Yeah, I'm a basic bitch

0:21:04.269 --> 0:21:06.949
<v Speaker 2>for example. Yeah, I would agree with that. In the

0:21:07.029 --> 0:21:10.989
<v Speaker 2>I do not have sophisticated taste. No, don't think Katie

0:21:10.989 --> 0:21:14.469
<v Speaker 2>Perry has particularly good instincts about what's interesting to other people.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it all of this is extremely interesting. But

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like think about it if your Gordon came

0:21:21.429 --> 0:21:25.909
<v Speaker 2>to be there. Yeah, but like it was boring. And

0:21:25.949 --> 0:21:28.309
<v Speaker 2>I like the idea that you would pretend like it

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<v Speaker 2>is a normal Thursday night activity to have people over

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about race relations. I like that. That's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess my question is this is twenty seventeen. Why

0:21:39.269 --> 0:21:42.629
<v Speaker 2>didn't we care? Because did you care? No? I missed it? Yeah,

0:21:42.949 --> 0:21:45.949
<v Speaker 2>why did we miss it? Because it was boring? I

0:21:45.989 --> 0:21:47.789
<v Speaker 2>actually think it's because I don't know any of the

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<v Speaker 2>songs from this album. Yeah, we'll get trying to feud

0:21:51.749 --> 0:21:53.629
<v Speaker 2>with Taylor Sweet because maybe now.

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<v Speaker 1>We got bad.

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<v Speaker 2>In that seventy two hours she brought up her feud

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<v Speaker 2>with Taylor Sweet. I don't understand. Sorry, Oh I've got

0:22:01.549 --> 0:22:03.749
<v Speaker 2>a hole. So with the seventy two hours, where was

0:22:03.749 --> 0:22:11.829
<v Speaker 2>it being broadcasting every like YouTube live? Yeah? Yep? Did you?

0:22:13.789 --> 0:22:16.949
<v Speaker 2>I mean not? That was reported she got toilet a lot,

0:22:17.349 --> 0:22:19.469
<v Speaker 2>she like had a shower, all of that, but like

0:22:19.789 --> 0:22:22.469
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't see. No, you see her in bed, you

0:22:22.509 --> 0:22:24.589
<v Speaker 2>see her sleeping, you see like that kind of thing.

0:22:25.309 --> 0:22:27.069
<v Speaker 2>But you see her like get up in the morning.

0:22:27.229 --> 0:22:28.789
<v Speaker 2>But no, you don't see her seating on the toilet

0:22:28.829 --> 0:22:32.429
<v Speaker 2>and do a shit. All right, Cool? Cool, cool. So

0:22:32.749 --> 0:22:34.709
<v Speaker 2>she talked about her feud with Taylor Swift in a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast interview from the House, saying, I'm ready to let

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<v Speaker 2>it go. I forgive her and.

0:22:39.149 --> 0:22:41.309
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry for anything I ever did, and.

0:22:41.269 --> 0:22:43.509
<v Speaker 2>I hope the same from her. Like maybe I don't

0:22:43.509 --> 0:22:45.949
<v Speaker 2>agree with everything she does, and she doesn't agree with

0:22:45.989 --> 0:22:46.669
<v Speaker 2>everything I.

0:22:46.549 --> 0:22:48.309
<v Speaker 3>Do, and I love her and I want the best

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<v Speaker 3>for her.

0:22:48.669 --> 0:22:50.909
<v Speaker 2>But I just really truly want to come together in

0:22:50.949 --> 0:22:52.989
<v Speaker 2>a place of love and figure. Okay, but what don't

0:22:52.989 --> 0:22:56.029
<v Speaker 2>you agree with that Taylor did going back in time

0:22:56.709 --> 0:23:01.509
<v Speaker 2>this feud, Okay, Jesse. They started off very chummy, lots

0:23:01.509 --> 0:23:04.549
<v Speaker 2>of tweets that are like, you're so sweet, happy birthday,

0:23:04.549 --> 0:23:10.629
<v Speaker 2>pretty girl. Okay, so American, pretty girl. But then thirteen

0:23:11.069 --> 0:23:16.029
<v Speaker 2>a dancer does an interview with an Australian publication. I

0:23:16.109 --> 0:23:20.029
<v Speaker 2>love what Australia inserts itself called The Examiner, and the

0:23:20.149 --> 0:23:24.789
<v Speaker 2>dancer was Lockhart Brownly, and he said in passing that

0:23:24.989 --> 0:23:28.549
<v Speaker 2>he and two other dancers had left Taylor Swift's Red

0:23:28.589 --> 0:23:32.029
<v Speaker 2>Tour to join Perry for her Prism tour. That's what

0:23:32.149 --> 0:23:37.029
<v Speaker 2>I went to. I think, Okay, yeah, that checks out. Okay, obviously,

0:23:37.429 --> 0:23:42.149
<v Speaker 2>great tour. Okay, thanks to Lockhart. Lockhart said, obviously, we

0:23:42.149 --> 0:23:43.909
<v Speaker 2>were with Katie for two and a half years. She's

0:23:43.949 --> 0:23:46.829
<v Speaker 2>like family to us, so we were like, absolutely, yeah,

0:23:46.869 --> 0:23:48.029
<v Speaker 2>this is Katy Perry.

0:23:48.069 --> 0:23:49.789
<v Speaker 3>You know, this is Yeah, this is awesome.

0:23:49.949 --> 0:23:51.749
<v Speaker 5>This is what I've always wanted to dream of.

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<v Speaker 2>We weren't really dancing in Taylor's tour anyway, so I

0:23:54.749 --> 0:23:56.549
<v Speaker 2>had got a little bored and I really wanted to

0:23:56.549 --> 0:24:00.309
<v Speaker 2>do a promo tour. Then Taylor Swift releases Bad Blood

0:24:00.469 --> 0:24:07.949
<v Speaker 2>the following year, twenty fourteen, and she says it's about

0:24:07.949 --> 0:24:12.189
<v Speaker 2>a female music artist who you won't name, who tried

0:24:12.229 --> 0:24:16.349
<v Speaker 2>to sabotage her tour by hiring people on her staff.

0:24:16.909 --> 0:24:21.069
<v Speaker 2>People were like, oh, oh, it's clearly Katie Pearmber Lockhart. Yeah,

0:24:21.429 --> 0:24:25.509
<v Speaker 2>Katie Perry tweets this watch out for the Regina George

0:24:25.669 --> 0:24:29.709
<v Speaker 2>in Sheep's clothing Okay. So what we've got is it's

0:24:29.789 --> 0:24:33.189
<v Speaker 2>clear it's a feud. Yep, there's all this passive aggressive

0:24:33.189 --> 0:24:37.909
<v Speaker 2>stuff floating around on Twitter. But the problem is Katie

0:24:38.749 --> 0:24:40.909
<v Speaker 2>clearly has a bit of a dip in her career,

0:24:40.949 --> 0:24:45.069
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, cool, oh my feud with Taylor Swift.

0:24:45.309 --> 0:24:49.829
<v Speaker 2>She did Bad Blood all do a dis track? Humming back?

0:24:50.869 --> 0:24:54.109
<v Speaker 2>Oh and Jesse, I'm going to remind you what her

0:24:54.149 --> 0:24:57.989
<v Speaker 2>dis track was. Okay. Oh, you look really sad, don't

0:24:58.029 --> 0:24:59.149
<v Speaker 2>It gives me sad feelings?

0:24:59.269 --> 0:24:59.389
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:24:59.629 --> 0:25:03.029
<v Speaker 2>Because it just wasn't Bad Blood quality wise? Do I

0:25:03.109 --> 0:25:06.669
<v Speaker 2>know this song? You actually do, but you've forgotten it? Okay?

0:25:06.909 --> 0:25:08.109
<v Speaker 2>Which is for the best.

0:25:08.269 --> 0:25:11.229
<v Speaker 1>Sish Swishish another one.

0:25:14.269 --> 0:25:16.549
<v Speaker 2>Look, it wasn't quite the same. But what I would

0:25:16.669 --> 0:25:19.669
<v Speaker 2>like to crossecute is, do you think there is a

0:25:19.709 --> 0:25:23.189
<v Speaker 2>manner or a woman in the music industry who has

0:25:23.229 --> 0:25:26.909
<v Speaker 2>a bucket full of disk tracks and you knock on

0:25:26.989 --> 0:25:31.429
<v Speaker 2>his door or her door. I would like one times distrack.

0:25:31.469 --> 0:25:34.269
<v Speaker 2>What would you like to include. Well, there's a feud,

0:25:34.789 --> 0:25:39.429
<v Speaker 2>there's a Twitter incident, there's a career upset. I have

0:25:39.909 --> 0:25:43.909
<v Speaker 2>just the disc track. It's called Swish Swish, It's called Sish,

0:25:44.349 --> 0:25:46.549
<v Speaker 2>I promise you it will be big. Did you write

0:25:46.589 --> 0:25:50.749
<v Speaker 2>bad Blood? No, No, that wasn't me. Yes, it's not good.

0:25:51.229 --> 0:25:54.189
<v Speaker 2>It's the film and the film Cliff isn't good. And

0:25:54.229 --> 0:25:58.509
<v Speaker 2>it's weird. It is weird, and it's not really very funny.

0:25:58.669 --> 0:26:01.789
<v Speaker 2>Well it's weird because I don't get it, like swish

0:26:01.829 --> 0:26:05.069
<v Speaker 2>swish fish like is that what it's it's not very classy.

0:26:05.229 --> 0:26:07.829
<v Speaker 2>It's not very classy. And it's also like we said

0:26:07.829 --> 0:26:10.629
<v Speaker 2>this about dis tracks, fucking get to it. Yeah, get

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<v Speaker 2>to the point and more say what you mean, more explicit,

0:26:13.789 --> 0:26:17.389
<v Speaker 2>more explicit about what we're upset about, because swish swish

0:26:17.709 --> 0:26:20.269
<v Speaker 2>to me, we're suggesting we've got a basketball and now

0:26:20.269 --> 0:26:23.669
<v Speaker 2>I don't know enough about basketball to follow. Why are

0:26:23.709 --> 0:26:27.069
<v Speaker 2>we mad at Taylor Swift? Yeah, at Taylor Allison Swift?

0:26:27.429 --> 0:26:30.029
<v Speaker 2>What has she done to us? Make it clear up,

0:26:30.069 --> 0:26:33.429
<v Speaker 2>make it clearer. What's happened behind the scenes? How do

0:26:33.509 --> 0:26:37.109
<v Speaker 2>we feel about such things? Jesse? It got completely panned,

0:26:37.349 --> 0:26:40.829
<v Speaker 2>and especially in hindsight, people are like, there's bad Blood,

0:26:41.749 --> 0:26:46.069
<v Speaker 2>it's also kind of Taylor's career, and then there's Swedishi.

0:26:46.949 --> 0:26:49.509
<v Speaker 2>Oh sishly, she didn't do what she hoped it would know,

0:26:49.869 --> 0:26:52.229
<v Speaker 2>So Jess. You might be thinking, like, oh, I feel

0:26:52.269 --> 0:26:56.789
<v Speaker 2>like Katerberry hasn't done a lot music wise recently. She has.

0:26:56.869 --> 0:26:59.669
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two she did that menu log song

0:27:00.429 --> 0:27:05.869
<v Speaker 2>menu Log. Oh how it goes? It's like did somebody see?

0:27:06.349 --> 0:27:09.349
<v Speaker 2>And then she's like, oh and she's really really trying.

0:27:11.509 --> 0:27:13.429
<v Speaker 3>The let you.

0:27:16.269 --> 0:27:20.549
<v Speaker 1>And what must Yeah yeah yeah, when a borrowing delivery.

0:27:20.989 --> 0:27:23.069
<v Speaker 2>Hurry in a hurry, yeah yeah yeah. And she's like,

0:27:23.189 --> 0:27:26.669
<v Speaker 2>papaa salad while I sing a ballad. You think she

0:27:26.709 --> 0:27:30.949
<v Speaker 2>wrote that you're better than this. You are better because

0:27:30.949 --> 0:27:33.989
<v Speaker 2>you didn't Snoop Dogg do uber eats or something. I

0:27:33.989 --> 0:27:36.109
<v Speaker 2>don't know. They're throwing big dollars. Would you say no,

0:27:36.589 --> 0:27:40.949
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't know. I would go menulogue dig dong because

0:27:40.989 --> 0:27:43.589
<v Speaker 2>I would say this is a brand I believe in. Yeah,

0:27:43.709 --> 0:27:56.189
<v Speaker 2>exactly right. A battle with nuns. This was me very

0:27:56.269 --> 0:28:00.469
<v Speaker 2>late last night. There's a pedestrian article titled we really

0:28:00.509 --> 0:28:03.549
<v Speaker 2>don't talk enough about that time and Nune died in

0:28:03.629 --> 0:28:07.549
<v Speaker 2>court while fighting Katie Perry I killed and none and

0:28:07.709 --> 0:28:10.789
<v Speaker 2>I liked it. It's not funny. We don't talk enough

0:28:10.789 --> 0:28:14.389
<v Speaker 2>about that. That's true. I remember seeing these keywords at

0:28:14.429 --> 0:28:16.509
<v Speaker 2>the time. But I feel like I never clear you

0:28:16.549 --> 0:28:19.069
<v Speaker 2>were obsessed with this story, because I at one point

0:28:19.109 --> 0:28:21.269
<v Speaker 2>you definitely knew all the details of this story. Okay.

0:28:21.349 --> 0:28:24.349
<v Speaker 2>The first line of that article is does anyone else

0:28:24.429 --> 0:28:27.789
<v Speaker 2>constantly think about that time? And Nune said Katie Perry,

0:28:27.829 --> 0:28:31.309
<v Speaker 2>please stop before literally dropping dead in court? And yes, Jesse,

0:28:31.989 --> 0:28:36.029
<v Speaker 2>yes I do think about that very often. A right, wait, wait,

0:28:36.109 --> 0:28:39.429
<v Speaker 2>and I forget all the details, and everyone forgets the details. Okay,

0:28:39.429 --> 0:28:43.429
<v Speaker 2>why was Katy Perry in court? In twenty fifteen? Katie

0:28:43.469 --> 0:28:47.509
<v Speaker 2>Perry goes to buy a former convent. Okay, it feels

0:28:47.509 --> 0:28:51.029
<v Speaker 2>a bit strange, it does, given her religious upbringing, and

0:28:51.069 --> 0:28:54.789
<v Speaker 2>it's like, could we buy something that isn't a convent? Anyway,

0:28:55.629 --> 0:28:58.629
<v Speaker 2>she strikes a deal with the Catholic archdiocese and she

0:28:58.709 --> 0:29:02.109
<v Speaker 2>pays fourteen point five million dollars for the former convent,

0:29:03.149 --> 0:29:05.469
<v Speaker 2>but the nuns are like, no, no, no, we own

0:29:05.509 --> 0:29:09.269
<v Speaker 2>it as the nuns who live here. So they sell

0:29:09.309 --> 0:29:12.469
<v Speaker 2>it to someone else, a woman named Dana, for fifteen

0:29:12.509 --> 0:29:15.869
<v Speaker 2>point five meal. Okay, I know a little bit about

0:29:15.909 --> 0:29:21.309
<v Speaker 2>how nuns work. I thought nuns took a vow of chastity.

0:29:21.429 --> 0:29:24.549
<v Speaker 2>I think that's true with sex. No of poverty, of poverty.

0:29:24.629 --> 0:29:28.909
<v Speaker 2>They take a vow of poverty because nuns, when you

0:29:28.989 --> 0:29:31.469
<v Speaker 2>go into that nunnery, you're not meant to be making

0:29:31.469 --> 0:29:33.669
<v Speaker 2>fifteen point five minutes. No, and you're not putting down

0:29:33.669 --> 0:29:35.829
<v Speaker 2>a deposit. You don't have a mortgage. Why do you

0:29:35.829 --> 0:29:38.469
<v Speaker 2>not have a mortgage because you're not technically working. You

0:29:38.509 --> 0:29:41.869
<v Speaker 2>are working, No, they are, God, No, they are working. Yeah,

0:29:41.989 --> 0:29:44.349
<v Speaker 2>but you're not getting a salary. No, so you can't

0:29:44.349 --> 0:29:48.069
<v Speaker 2>pay your mortgage. No, okay, who owns it? The pope?

0:29:48.469 --> 0:29:51.749
<v Speaker 2>Who gets all that money. So Katie is like, it's fine,

0:29:52.109 --> 0:29:55.149
<v Speaker 2>it's fine. I can fix this. So she goes to

0:29:55.229 --> 0:30:00.109
<v Speaker 2>the nuns. She shows them her Jesus tattoo. Okay, yep,

0:30:00.589 --> 0:30:05.269
<v Speaker 2>and she sings, oh, happy day to the nuts. They're

0:30:05.269 --> 0:30:08.989
<v Speaker 2>not impressed. No, you've underestimated the nuns and in and art,

0:30:09.069 --> 0:30:12.309
<v Speaker 2>I think that's worth a million bucks. Well, actually I

0:30:12.349 --> 0:30:13.989
<v Speaker 2>was gonna say that's the difference in it, but really

0:30:13.989 --> 0:30:17.709
<v Speaker 2>fifteen meal, Well she sings, I think they're pissed at

0:30:17.749 --> 0:30:20.909
<v Speaker 2>Katy Perry ever since Psychistic Girl. Well that's the thing

0:30:21.149 --> 0:30:24.309
<v Speaker 2>in an article talking about when Katy Perry came to visit,

0:30:24.549 --> 0:30:28.069
<v Speaker 2>they were like, well we looked her up. One we

0:30:28.069 --> 0:30:30.149
<v Speaker 2>looked her up and two this is petty. One of

0:30:30.189 --> 0:30:32.709
<v Speaker 2>the nuns said she had to google the lyrics to

0:30:32.789 --> 0:30:38.749
<v Speaker 2>Oh Happy Day. Surely she knew some Christian rock by hour.

0:30:38.869 --> 0:30:41.629
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I don't know if nuns like Christian rock. Yeah,

0:30:41.669 --> 0:30:44.789
<v Speaker 2>I think they only like hymns. Oh Happy Day seems

0:30:44.789 --> 0:30:47.869
<v Speaker 2>even a little bit joyous. Yes, we've just looked up

0:30:47.869 --> 0:30:52.549
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics to our happy Days. There are no lyrics.

0:30:52.949 --> 0:30:59.269
<v Speaker 2>It's just that, oh happy Days, Oh happy Day. Oh

0:30:59.629 --> 0:31:02.589
<v Speaker 2>Like it's quite repetitive. I don't know how you don't

0:31:02.629 --> 0:31:04.669
<v Speaker 2>know the lyrics to that? What are you checking? Mate?

0:31:05.309 --> 0:31:10.069
<v Speaker 2>Good one. So they're not impressed with Katy Perry. They're like, like, bitch,

0:31:10.349 --> 0:31:15.189
<v Speaker 2>this ain't about singing, this about golder cash, this is

0:31:15.229 --> 0:31:19.189
<v Speaker 2>about care. But hang on, nuns, Knty Perry can't spend

0:31:19.229 --> 0:31:22.269
<v Speaker 2>fourteen mil on a convent and not get it. Well,

0:31:22.349 --> 0:31:25.869
<v Speaker 2>how about capitalism work? How about Dana? You can't sell

0:31:25.909 --> 0:31:27.629
<v Speaker 2>it twice? This is what happens when we're out of

0:31:27.669 --> 0:31:31.309
<v Speaker 2>the capitalist game for too long. Sell our convent to

0:31:31.389 --> 0:31:33.789
<v Speaker 2>multiple people and give it to none. Yeah, what are

0:31:33.789 --> 0:31:35.909
<v Speaker 2>you going to do with all of that money? Then

0:31:35.949 --> 0:31:38.749
<v Speaker 2>the court is a bora bora. You shouldn't. You shouldn't,

0:31:38.789 --> 0:31:42.189
<v Speaker 2>you're none. Then the court is like, nah, legit, Nuns,

0:31:42.949 --> 0:31:46.269
<v Speaker 2>with all due respects, you don't own the property. You

0:31:46.389 --> 0:31:50.269
<v Speaker 2>didn't does You didn't legally sell it. It's Katie's to buy.

0:31:51.229 --> 0:31:54.229
<v Speaker 2>The archdiosis thing was legit, but the nuns were still

0:31:54.229 --> 0:31:57.509
<v Speaker 2>fighting it in court. One nun who was fighting the sale,

0:31:57.629 --> 0:32:02.189
<v Speaker 2>sister Catherine Rose Holsman, told media to Katy Perry, please stop.

0:32:02.469 --> 0:32:05.309
<v Speaker 2>It's not doing anyone any good except hurting a lot

0:32:05.389 --> 0:32:07.949
<v Speaker 2>of people. Just after she said that, she went to

0:32:07.989 --> 0:32:10.829
<v Speaker 2>court for an appearance related to the k and she

0:32:10.949 --> 0:32:16.749
<v Speaker 2>collapsed and she died. It's a lot like Katie, Katie Babe,

0:32:16.909 --> 0:32:21.189
<v Speaker 2>buy another convent, buy another convent. But even in celebrity

0:32:21.229 --> 0:32:24.709
<v Speaker 2>standards in USD it's a lot of more. Email is

0:32:24.709 --> 0:32:27.189
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money there. We talked about Sidney Sweeney.

0:32:27.229 --> 0:32:30.469
<v Speaker 2>Her house is only like four yeah, yeah, but she's

0:32:30.909 --> 0:32:33.749
<v Speaker 2>Perry forked out for that convent. And you can't then

0:32:33.829 --> 0:32:36.469
<v Speaker 2>just say we own it because when nuns, I mean,

0:32:36.509 --> 0:32:40.069
<v Speaker 2>the other solution would be the nuns live alongside you, Perry,

0:32:40.749 --> 0:32:46.269
<v Speaker 2>and they do attend the race. Relations didn't party and

0:32:46.389 --> 0:32:50.029
<v Speaker 2>nil Dea grass Tyson comes over and they discuss how

0:32:50.069 --> 0:32:51.949
<v Speaker 2>the universe was formed. Yeah, I think that would be

0:32:51.989 --> 0:32:55.869
<v Speaker 2>fun for her. Seventy two hour Last Dreamy. Yeah, Jesse

0:32:55.989 --> 0:33:03.269
<v Speaker 2>is time for charges and sentences. Jesse my charge. And

0:33:03.309 --> 0:33:06.309
<v Speaker 2>I want to say this in a really in a

0:33:06.429 --> 0:33:10.549
<v Speaker 2>nice way. But I went deep and I watched a

0:33:10.589 --> 0:33:13.429
<v Speaker 2>lot of Katie Perry videos. I listen to a lot

0:33:13.469 --> 0:33:19.629
<v Speaker 2>of Katie Perry music, and particularly the longer her career goes, huh,

0:33:19.709 --> 0:33:23.189
<v Speaker 2>the lower the quality. Things aren't good. Every time she

0:33:23.269 --> 0:33:25.829
<v Speaker 2>releases new music, goes further and further into the abyss

0:33:25.949 --> 0:33:29.549
<v Speaker 2>all right, and film clips just aren't really good quality,

0:33:29.629 --> 0:33:32.469
<v Speaker 2>and then not very I don't know. I liked Teenage

0:33:32.589 --> 0:33:35.389
<v Speaker 2>Dream Yeah, no like. And I'm sure people listening to

0:33:35.389 --> 0:33:38.669
<v Speaker 2>this will disagree with me, but I just I look

0:33:38.709 --> 0:33:41.789
<v Speaker 2>at it and I think, lately, Yeah, I go, Katie,

0:33:41.949 --> 0:33:45.269
<v Speaker 2>you don't believe it. You don't believe it, don't believe

0:33:45.269 --> 0:33:48.749
<v Speaker 2>in yourself, you don't believe in this music. You know what?

0:33:48.789 --> 0:33:52.469
<v Speaker 2>She needs to listen to firework, she needs j out

0:33:52.629 --> 0:33:56.229
<v Speaker 2>and raw. Yes, listen to those and then sit down

0:33:56.309 --> 0:33:58.429
<v Speaker 2>and try and write. Because for the record, she has

0:33:58.509 --> 0:34:02.029
<v Speaker 2>created some of the greatest music of this said, I agree,

0:34:02.229 --> 0:34:06.469
<v Speaker 2>agree genuinely, but lately but I think she actually does

0:34:06.509 --> 0:34:09.989
<v Speaker 2>feel like a plastic bag floating through the wind trying

0:34:10.029 --> 0:34:13.469
<v Speaker 2>to starting. Yeah, I genuinely think, yes, I bet she's

0:34:13.469 --> 0:34:16.629
<v Speaker 2>a firework, but I think at the moment, her heart's

0:34:16.669 --> 0:34:19.749
<v Speaker 2>not in it and it's coming through. That's okay. Our

0:34:19.749 --> 0:34:22.349
<v Speaker 2>heart doesn't have to always be in it. No, I

0:34:22.349 --> 0:34:24.229
<v Speaker 2>don't think she even asked Dorer music anymore. She's fine.

0:34:24.269 --> 0:34:29.069
<v Speaker 2>She can hang out with Daisy, that's her daughter. Yeah, sentence, Jess.

0:34:29.229 --> 0:34:30.789
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes when we make mistakes, we just need to go

0:34:30.829 --> 0:34:33.189
<v Speaker 2>back and correct it. Yeah, all right, we need to

0:34:33.229 --> 0:34:36.629
<v Speaker 2>go back to swish swish huh, and we need to

0:34:36.629 --> 0:34:40.749
<v Speaker 2>make a better quality disc track right, and potentially a

0:34:40.829 --> 0:34:43.509
<v Speaker 2>diss album because what she wanted to do, she wanted

0:34:43.549 --> 0:34:46.669
<v Speaker 2>to respond to Taylor, and she didn't get her moment.

0:34:46.869 --> 0:34:48.709
<v Speaker 2>Because I actually think when I look at the whole story,

0:34:48.709 --> 0:34:50.749
<v Speaker 2>I go, Okay, I might be on your side, but

0:34:50.789 --> 0:34:53.629
<v Speaker 2>you just didn't follow through the quality of your work.

0:34:53.709 --> 0:34:55.909
<v Speaker 2>Do you have that you're in an argument or you're

0:34:55.949 --> 0:34:59.309
<v Speaker 2>in like even an online back and forth, and you

0:34:59.429 --> 0:35:01.549
<v Speaker 2>go back and you go, that wasn't my best. No,

0:35:01.909 --> 0:35:04.749
<v Speaker 2>that has more potential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was full

0:35:04.789 --> 0:35:10.989
<v Speaker 2>of adrenaline. I panicked. I went for speed the quality. Yeah,

0:35:11.189 --> 0:35:16.029
<v Speaker 2>that's with my twist fish. No no, no, no, no, no, Katie,

0:35:16.069 --> 0:35:18.509
<v Speaker 2>take a breath, Take a breath. Take a breath, because,

0:35:19.029 --> 0:35:22.509
<v Speaker 2>in Katie's defense, I was thinking of it and I

0:35:22.589 --> 0:35:24.629
<v Speaker 2>was like, it actually would be upsetting if you're Katy

0:35:24.709 --> 0:35:28.869
<v Speaker 2>Perry and Taylor Swift makes a whole song being mean

0:35:28.909 --> 0:35:32.909
<v Speaker 2>about you. Katy Perry kept trying to steal her dances?

0:35:32.989 --> 0:35:36.549
<v Speaker 2>Is that I don't know. I don't know anyway. I

0:35:36.669 --> 0:35:39.309
<v Speaker 2>just think she needs to go back, give it another

0:35:39.389 --> 0:35:44.029
<v Speaker 2>cake two, maybe even recruit Tail Swift for some songwriting help.

0:35:44.109 --> 0:35:44.269
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:44.309 --> 0:35:46.109
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I want to write a dischack or go back

0:35:46.149 --> 0:35:49.469
<v Speaker 2>to the man or woman with the bucket and say

0:35:50.029 --> 0:35:52.389
<v Speaker 2>a better one. Can I have a little look through?

0:35:52.549 --> 0:35:55.109
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Can I see if there's something a bit

0:35:55.109 --> 0:35:58.389
<v Speaker 2>better than swish swish fish and see if there's something

0:35:58.389 --> 0:36:02.469
<v Speaker 2>that might be more true to me and my story? Yes, yes, exactly, Jesse.

0:36:02.629 --> 0:36:07.069
<v Speaker 2>What's your charge, all right? My charge is that I

0:36:07.109 --> 0:36:12.709
<v Speaker 2>think getting into a legal stout with nuns plural is

0:36:12.749 --> 0:36:17.389
<v Speaker 2>bad juju. I think you don't want to get god offside,

0:36:17.869 --> 0:36:20.109
<v Speaker 2>and that's what you've done, because you know who prays

0:36:20.149 --> 0:36:22.789
<v Speaker 2>a lot, nuns, And yeah, they can pray for what

0:36:22.869 --> 0:36:28.669
<v Speaker 2>they want, but they can also say Katie, and you

0:36:28.669 --> 0:36:31.829
<v Speaker 2>don't want God to know that. And I'm worried about

0:36:31.829 --> 0:36:38.869
<v Speaker 2>their connection with the afterlife, with fate, with sin, with

0:36:38.909 --> 0:36:43.549
<v Speaker 2>such things. My sentence is, I do think that she

0:36:43.629 --> 0:36:45.949
<v Speaker 2>owes something to the nuns because she upset them and

0:36:45.949 --> 0:36:48.389
<v Speaker 2>because they lost one of their own. Would you say

0:36:48.389 --> 0:36:51.949
<v Speaker 2>fifteen point five mel No, Okay. What I would say

0:36:52.269 --> 0:36:55.709
<v Speaker 2>is that I feel like those nuns felt displaced and

0:36:55.749 --> 0:36:58.349
<v Speaker 2>that they liked their convent. Now I don't know about you,

0:36:58.389 --> 0:37:04.349
<v Speaker 2>but when I imagine convent, sound amusing alive with the sun.

0:37:04.629 --> 0:37:07.189
<v Speaker 2>I'm the convent i've ever seen, Oh my gosh. Absolutely,

0:37:07.229 --> 0:37:10.269
<v Speaker 2>and it's like a a castle with like stone. It's

0:37:10.309 --> 0:37:13.549
<v Speaker 2>got like gates, it's got gates. So I think that

0:37:14.309 --> 0:37:18.069
<v Speaker 2>living alongside, almost like a commune, with the nuns, and

0:37:18.109 --> 0:37:20.509
<v Speaker 2>what she owes them is a hymn a day, I

0:37:20.549 --> 0:37:22.629
<v Speaker 2>think that would be lovely. So she comes in and

0:37:22.629 --> 0:37:24.669
<v Speaker 2>there's a little church where they do all their praying

0:37:24.709 --> 0:37:29.589
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. Importantly, him chosen by the nuns, not by you. Katie. Yeah,

0:37:29.629 --> 0:37:35.829
<v Speaker 2>what's the good hymn? My Jesus my Save Yeah love.

0:37:35.949 --> 0:37:38.869
<v Speaker 2>There is none that's a good one. I think there's

0:37:38.869 --> 0:37:44.189
<v Speaker 2>one about is my Shepherd. It's quite deep. I feel

0:37:44.189 --> 0:37:48.389
<v Speaker 2>like that would suit her. Amazing grace, Oh fabulous. And

0:37:49.109 --> 0:37:51.589
<v Speaker 2>learn the lyrics, Katie, because they can see when you're

0:37:51.629 --> 0:37:54.989
<v Speaker 2>checking Google. They don't like it really pulls focus when

0:37:55.029 --> 0:37:59.149
<v Speaker 2>you're on your phone reading lyrics in church. So learn them.

0:37:59.349 --> 0:38:02.029
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like this isn't from the goodness of

0:38:02.029 --> 0:38:04.989
<v Speaker 2>your heart. I just think you don't want to cross nuns.

0:38:05.109 --> 0:38:07.189
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's something I didn't feel like I

0:38:07.229 --> 0:38:10.709
<v Speaker 2>needed to say, but I wouldn't cross them. Jesse. That's

0:38:10.709 --> 0:38:14.429
<v Speaker 2>all we've got time for today. On cancel if you

0:38:14.589 --> 0:38:17.989
<v Speaker 2>want receipts for this episode, and we'll put some of

0:38:18.589 --> 0:38:21.589
<v Speaker 2>Katie stage. We'll put a little bit of the Swish

0:38:21.589 --> 0:38:25.389
<v Speaker 2>Swish film clip on our Instagram at the Twins underscore

0:38:25.429 --> 0:38:29.629
<v Speaker 2>thoughts and just all the receipts from this episode. Canceled

0:38:29.709 --> 0:38:32.429
<v Speaker 2>is produced by Elsa This as with audio editing by

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Lyon. We will see you next week. Bye bye.