1 00:00:10,869 --> 00:00:11,189 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,229 --> 00:00:16,029 Speaker 2: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. MoMA Maya acknowledges 3 00:00:16,069 --> 00:00:19,269 Speaker 2: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 4 00:00:19,349 --> 00:00:31,949 Speaker 2: is recorded on Hello and Welcome to canceled the podcast 5 00:00:31,989 --> 00:00:34,949 Speaker 2: that looks at silly celebrity crimes and assigns charges and 6 00:00:35,029 --> 00:00:37,509 Speaker 2: sentences to them so we can all move on with 7 00:00:37,549 --> 00:00:40,989 Speaker 2: our lives. I'm Claire Stephens, and I'm Jesse Stevens. Jesse, 8 00:00:41,189 --> 00:00:44,189 Speaker 2: do you have a lazy girl storry? I do? It 9 00:00:44,269 --> 00:00:49,309 Speaker 2: is from Jen. Jen says I have a washing basket 10 00:00:49,349 --> 00:00:52,669 Speaker 2: full of my good dresses. Immediately know what you mean that. 11 00:00:52,749 --> 00:00:54,949 Speaker 2: I decided about a month ago needed a wash, and 12 00:00:54,989 --> 00:00:57,589 Speaker 2: my husband keeps reminding me that they are there. I've 13 00:00:57,629 --> 00:00:59,669 Speaker 2: been putting it off because dresses like that need to 14 00:00:59,709 --> 00:01:01,709 Speaker 2: be put through a delicate cycle, and then once they 15 00:01:01,709 --> 00:01:03,669 Speaker 2: are dry, they are all crinkled and I would need 16 00:01:03,749 --> 00:01:07,029 Speaker 2: to iron them. I decided today was the day to 17 00:01:07,149 --> 00:01:10,029 Speaker 2: deal with them. I'm like, hang on, this stuffn't sound 18 00:01:10,229 --> 00:01:10,589 Speaker 2: very lazy. 19 00:01:10,669 --> 00:01:10,829 Speaker 3: Jen. 20 00:01:10,989 --> 00:01:14,349 Speaker 2: Well, well, well, instead of washing them, I simply hung 21 00:01:14,389 --> 00:01:16,909 Speaker 2: them back up in my wardrobe and closed the door. 22 00:01:18,069 --> 00:01:22,349 Speaker 2: She's a lazy girl problem solved. What I will also say, 23 00:01:22,429 --> 00:01:25,589 Speaker 2: I have a pile of dresses that I'm like, these 24 00:01:25,909 --> 00:01:30,989 Speaker 2: I'll take to a tailor. Do you know a tailor. 25 00:01:31,469 --> 00:01:33,949 Speaker 2: I'll get them taken up because everything's a bit too 26 00:01:33,989 --> 00:01:36,229 Speaker 2: long on me. You've never met a tailor. It's been 27 00:01:36,269 --> 00:01:39,069 Speaker 2: a decade. I actually did go to a taylor recently. 28 00:01:39,069 --> 00:01:42,549 Speaker 2: I had someone else organize it for me, cheap, quick, easy. 29 00:01:42,909 --> 00:01:44,629 Speaker 2: It was a house on my street and I walked in. 30 00:01:44,709 --> 00:01:46,749 Speaker 2: I was like, surely not, I swear. I was like 31 00:01:46,749 --> 00:01:49,549 Speaker 2: fifteen dollars. It's like, people shouldn't get things tailored. This 32 00:01:49,669 --> 00:01:52,469 Speaker 2: is ridiculous. This is the same with my whites, because 33 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:54,789 Speaker 2: I've been burned with my whites. So I've got a 34 00:01:54,829 --> 00:01:57,669 Speaker 2: few things that I put in the sink. I don't 35 00:01:57,669 --> 00:01:59,429 Speaker 2: have a laundry of a cupboard that claims to be 36 00:01:59,429 --> 00:02:01,269 Speaker 2: a laundry, but I put them there, and I'm like, 37 00:02:01,749 --> 00:02:04,269 Speaker 2: don't go in with the other things. You stay right there. 38 00:02:04,869 --> 00:02:09,309 Speaker 2: And then and then months past, and I don't wear white. Yeah, 39 00:02:09,429 --> 00:02:12,029 Speaker 2: because they also eight it's fine, it's not summer. It's 40 00:02:12,069 --> 00:02:12,789 Speaker 2: not the season. 41 00:02:16,069 --> 00:02:19,429 Speaker 1: You are about to enter the canceled courtroom. 42 00:02:20,189 --> 00:02:26,469 Speaker 2: The defendants are celebrities, the chargers are petty. The rulings 43 00:02:26,589 --> 00:02:36,909 Speaker 2: are final, Jesse. Today we're talking about Katie Perry. 44 00:02:38,189 --> 00:02:41,789 Speaker 3: So excited, Ky, welcome to Candy fourn Yes, hope, this 45 00:02:41,869 --> 00:02:45,269 Speaker 3: is an annoying you are quite Candy. 46 00:02:45,429 --> 00:02:46,749 Speaker 2: Get the fuck out Weg. 47 00:02:46,829 --> 00:02:47,589 Speaker 4: Did you just say wegg? 48 00:02:47,709 --> 00:02:49,349 Speaker 2: Yes, I know Wegg. 49 00:02:49,549 --> 00:02:50,789 Speaker 4: I feel that already. 50 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:54,749 Speaker 3: No, it's not your language, it's just for us. I 51 00:02:54,829 --> 00:02:56,349 Speaker 3: love you. 52 00:02:56,469 --> 00:03:03,189 Speaker 2: Catherine Elizabeth Hudson is an American singer. So she's Kate Hudson. Yes, 53 00:03:03,189 --> 00:03:06,069 Speaker 2: she's Kate Hudson. Yeah, oh wow. Perry is her mum's 54 00:03:06,069 --> 00:03:09,349 Speaker 2: maiden name love, but it becomes clear why she changed 55 00:03:09,349 --> 00:03:13,309 Speaker 2: her name. She's American singer, songwriter, and television personality best 56 00:03:13,349 --> 00:03:18,829 Speaker 2: known for songs like I Kissed a Girl's Hot and 57 00:03:18,869 --> 00:03:30,709 Speaker 2: Cold Firework Raw. So I never go to concerts of 58 00:03:30,789 --> 00:03:33,109 Speaker 2: bench Cocatie peric I was gonna say, how was that? 59 00:03:33,349 --> 00:03:36,389 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I love the song raw, I'll 60 00:03:36,429 --> 00:03:39,429 Speaker 2: get emotional. That's not the one about the plastic bag 61 00:03:39,629 --> 00:03:41,549 Speaker 2: floating through the wind. That's firework. I think. 62 00:03:41,589 --> 00:03:46,109 Speaker 3: Do you ever feel like the plastic bay drifting through 63 00:03:46,149 --> 00:03:48,589 Speaker 3: the wind wanting to start again? 64 00:03:49,109 --> 00:03:51,709 Speaker 2: I like that. Firework gets me. Yeah. It was a 65 00:03:51,709 --> 00:03:56,109 Speaker 2: good era, Oh there was, and it ended yes, Rory, 66 00:03:56,309 --> 00:04:06,749 Speaker 2: my partner really likes the birthday one. Yeah, it's good 67 00:04:06,789 --> 00:04:09,389 Speaker 2: for birthday. It's great for birthdays. Is actually I would 68 00:04:09,389 --> 00:04:12,669 Speaker 2: say my favorite non happy birthday birthday songs. I don't 69 00:04:12,789 --> 00:04:16,309 Speaker 2: like happy birthday, so I quite like just an alternative. Yeah. 70 00:04:16,909 --> 00:04:19,029 Speaker 2: She's one of the best selling artists of all time, 71 00:04:19,869 --> 00:04:22,669 Speaker 2: which I feel like everyone is. Yeah, I have questions 72 00:04:23,149 --> 00:04:28,029 Speaker 2: and she's also She's also released an autobiographical documentary called 73 00:04:28,269 --> 00:04:30,629 Speaker 2: Katy Perry Part of Me twenty twelve. 74 00:04:30,989 --> 00:04:34,189 Speaker 3: The atmosphere I grew up in was, you know, completely 75 00:04:34,189 --> 00:04:35,669 Speaker 3: one Christian. 76 00:04:37,149 --> 00:04:41,589 Speaker 2: King got her first guitar through the church. I just 77 00:04:41,709 --> 00:04:45,029 Speaker 2: sum started to play the guitar. I'm a little amate sheriff. 78 00:04:45,549 --> 00:04:47,589 Speaker 2: There's a music show. It's all on my hand, it's 79 00:04:47,709 --> 00:04:51,069 Speaker 2: in my heart actually, yep. And it focused on her 80 00:04:51,069 --> 00:04:53,349 Speaker 2: breakup from Mussel Brand. There is anything you would like 81 00:04:53,389 --> 00:04:55,229 Speaker 2: to know about that? Yeah, I have it on hand. 82 00:04:55,349 --> 00:04:59,789 Speaker 2: There's simply nothing more heartbreaking than Katy Perry backstage, being 83 00:05:00,149 --> 00:05:03,989 Speaker 2: dumped from her marriage by text and having to perform. Yeah, 84 00:05:04,349 --> 00:05:09,709 Speaker 2: we've all been there emotionally, not really. Her debut album 85 00:05:09,749 --> 00:05:15,109 Speaker 2: was actually contemporary Christian record called Katie Hudson, released when 86 00:05:15,109 --> 00:05:18,509 Speaker 2: she was sixteen. I've got in my notes Christian music 87 00:05:18,749 --> 00:05:21,429 Speaker 2: actually slaps. Sometimes it does. We were at a church 88 00:05:21,469 --> 00:05:24,309 Speaker 2: recently that was clapping. It was acoustic. Yeah, people got 89 00:05:24,349 --> 00:05:27,469 Speaker 2: really into it. Sometimes it's really good. But you know that, 90 00:05:27,669 --> 00:05:42,269 Speaker 2: like it's quite loaded the lyrics, and also you singing 91 00:05:42,309 --> 00:05:45,509 Speaker 2: it or listening to it in your house says a 92 00:05:45,589 --> 00:05:50,269 Speaker 2: lot about you, which is fine. But I'm actually I'm 93 00:05:50,309 --> 00:05:53,149 Speaker 2: all for it. It didn't sell very well because I 94 00:05:53,149 --> 00:05:55,789 Speaker 2: guess it is. I was gonna say Nation in America, 95 00:05:55,829 --> 00:05:58,829 Speaker 2: you'd think she was sixteen. No one knew her. Yeah, 96 00:05:58,949 --> 00:06:00,949 Speaker 2: I thought Kate Hudson did Christian rock. It would have 97 00:06:00,949 --> 00:06:03,869 Speaker 2: been confused. Yeah. But then she transitioned from gospel music 98 00:06:03,949 --> 00:06:06,749 Speaker 2: to secular music, and in her mid twenties released her 99 00:06:06,789 --> 00:06:09,909 Speaker 2: album One of the Boys, which shot her to international 100 00:06:10,749 --> 00:06:13,909 Speaker 2: That was I Kissed a Girl. We should also state 101 00:06:14,469 --> 00:06:19,629 Speaker 2: she is close associates many friends of the canceled court Room, including, 102 00:06:19,709 --> 00:06:24,189 Speaker 2: as we've stated, her first husband, Russell Brand, her current fiance, 103 00:06:24,309 --> 00:06:28,069 Speaker 2: and the father of her Orlando, who obviously used to 104 00:06:28,109 --> 00:06:30,269 Speaker 2: be married to another friend of the cancel court room, 105 00:06:30,349 --> 00:06:33,429 Speaker 2: Miranda cour I have it on relatively good authority. I 106 00:06:33,429 --> 00:06:35,589 Speaker 2: think I read it once that Katie and Miranda are 107 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:38,509 Speaker 2: on fine terms because of course they have Finn. Miranda 108 00:06:38,509 --> 00:06:40,589 Speaker 2: and Orlando have Finn, and I imagine Katie's on good 109 00:06:40,629 --> 00:06:44,109 Speaker 2: terms with Finn. Finn is a child. Now I've heard 110 00:06:44,149 --> 00:06:47,389 Speaker 2: that they're friends. Jesse. My structure for today is as follows, 111 00:06:47,789 --> 00:06:52,549 Speaker 2: I kissed a girl cultural appropriation, an awkward Instagram post, 112 00:06:53,069 --> 00:06:56,429 Speaker 2: the time she filmed herself for seventy two hours, trying 113 00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:59,949 Speaker 2: to feud with Taylor Swift, and a battle with nuns. 114 00:07:00,269 --> 00:07:02,749 Speaker 2: This could have been a two part I went there's 115 00:07:02,749 --> 00:07:05,629 Speaker 2: a lot I've left out my goodness, Okay, all right, 116 00:07:05,629 --> 00:07:09,109 Speaker 2: I went really deep. I kissed a girl was my 117 00:07:10,309 --> 00:07:14,829 Speaker 2: way I planned. This song was huge in two thousand 118 00:07:14,869 --> 00:07:17,829 Speaker 2: and eight. Huge. It was fun, it was it was 119 00:07:18,109 --> 00:07:22,509 Speaker 2: pre same sex marriage legislation. She was before her time. Well, 120 00:07:22,669 --> 00:07:27,469 Speaker 2: in hindsight, slightly problematic, despite being about kissing a girl, 121 00:07:28,349 --> 00:07:30,589 Speaker 2: which it is hard to believe was far more radical 122 00:07:30,589 --> 00:07:33,749 Speaker 2: to sing about then than it is now. It's literally 123 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:37,149 Speaker 2: about kissing a girl for fun, rather than because you, 124 00:07:37,309 --> 00:07:41,269 Speaker 2: for example, maybe sexually attracted to girls. Yeah right, I've 125 00:07:41,269 --> 00:07:43,469 Speaker 2: never properly listened to the lyrics. Yeah, I think about it. 126 00:07:43,669 --> 00:07:47,309 Speaker 2: The chorus is it was a banger Rhythmically, Yes, the 127 00:07:47,429 --> 00:07:50,269 Speaker 2: chorus is I kissed a girl and I liked it 128 00:07:50,389 --> 00:07:52,829 Speaker 2: the taste of her cherry chapstick. I kissed a girl 129 00:07:52,909 --> 00:07:55,469 Speaker 2: just to try it. I hope my boyfriend don't mind 130 00:07:55,509 --> 00:07:59,109 Speaker 2: it very much in the context of I'm kissing a 131 00:07:59,149 --> 00:08:05,309 Speaker 2: girl for the titillation of my boyfriend, right, or I'm exploring. 132 00:08:06,069 --> 00:08:09,029 Speaker 2: I'm exploring and I hope my boyfriend don't mind because 133 00:08:09,109 --> 00:08:13,349 Speaker 2: I have committed an active infidelity. Yes, that's one way 134 00:08:13,349 --> 00:08:15,789 Speaker 2: to look at it. Kissing a girl. It was very 135 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:17,709 Speaker 2: much like it's a wild thing to do at a party, 136 00:08:18,349 --> 00:08:20,829 Speaker 2: not something you do because you were for example, saying 137 00:08:20,869 --> 00:08:25,189 Speaker 2: sex attracted, which is also another lyric, is ain't no 138 00:08:25,349 --> 00:08:29,589 Speaker 2: big deal. It's innocent, so don't worry. I'm not gay 139 00:08:29,709 --> 00:08:32,269 Speaker 2: or anything. Yeah, right, okay, I can hear I'm just 140 00:08:32,349 --> 00:08:34,349 Speaker 2: kissing a girl because it's sexy for the male gays. 141 00:08:34,549 --> 00:08:37,709 Speaker 2: What we've got is that five minutes ago, Catherine Hudson 142 00:08:38,549 --> 00:08:41,589 Speaker 2: was Christian Rock exactly like she was. I think that 143 00:08:41,629 --> 00:08:44,789 Speaker 2: what we're watching is a bit of a transformation. I 144 00:08:44,789 --> 00:08:46,909 Speaker 2: also think two thousand and eight doesn't feel like it 145 00:08:47,109 --> 00:08:51,709 Speaker 2: very long time ago. Very different context and even this 146 00:08:52,429 --> 00:08:57,189 Speaker 2: was new and edgy. Yeah, other lyrics it felt so wrong, 147 00:08:57,269 --> 00:09:00,469 Speaker 2: it felt so right, and it's not what good girls do, 148 00:09:01,269 --> 00:09:03,829 Speaker 2: not how they should behave. That's a Christian rock coming out. 149 00:09:03,949 --> 00:09:07,189 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, sometimes you Christian rock spills out of your 150 00:09:07,189 --> 00:09:11,629 Speaker 2: pop music. Yea, Now I Kissed a Girl Actually quite 151 00:09:11,669 --> 00:09:15,349 Speaker 2: mild compared to another song from that same album titled 152 00:09:15,589 --> 00:09:20,829 Speaker 2: You're So Gay, Oh You're so gay and joy like boy. 153 00:09:21,749 --> 00:09:25,229 Speaker 2: The lyrics are you're so gay and you don't even 154 00:09:25,349 --> 00:09:31,069 Speaker 2: like boys? Right, and it's about a guy. So remember 155 00:09:31,349 --> 00:09:36,869 Speaker 2: when gay was used in that really problematic way ten 156 00:09:36,909 --> 00:09:40,269 Speaker 2: to fifteen to twenty years ago. Yep, yep, it's literally 157 00:09:40,309 --> 00:09:44,029 Speaker 2: a song about that, using that as a slur, really 158 00:09:44,389 --> 00:09:46,909 Speaker 2: as a slur, and I can't even remember what it 159 00:09:47,069 --> 00:09:53,109 Speaker 2: really meant and pathetic. Yeah, it was kind of a weird, interchangeable. Oh, 160 00:09:53,149 --> 00:09:56,629 Speaker 2: it was incredibly homophobic, and the entire song is like, 161 00:09:56,749 --> 00:09:59,709 Speaker 2: you're so gay and you don't even like boys. At 162 00:09:59,709 --> 00:10:02,789 Speaker 2: the end the lyrics are, no, you don't even like No, 163 00:10:02,909 --> 00:10:09,749 Speaker 2: you don't even like Penis Katie. It's really bad Lyricsy 164 00:10:10,229 --> 00:10:13,669 Speaker 2: she wrote this song, she go write in credit Katie 165 00:10:13,749 --> 00:10:16,869 Speaker 2: again again again, it's like Christian rock, do you want 166 00:10:16,869 --> 00:10:19,149 Speaker 2: to write pop? And she's like, I think I'll write 167 00:10:19,749 --> 00:10:24,029 Speaker 2: about the homosexuals. And it's like, maybe you don't. Maybe 168 00:10:24,109 --> 00:10:27,269 Speaker 2: you don't, maybe you don't write don't. Katie has admitted 169 00:10:27,309 --> 00:10:29,549 Speaker 2: when she was challenged about Our Kisser Girl that she 170 00:10:29,669 --> 00:10:32,909 Speaker 2: would probably make an edit of the track now. She 171 00:10:32,989 --> 00:10:36,269 Speaker 2: told Glamar, we've come a long way. Bisexuality wasn't has 172 00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:39,269 Speaker 2: talked about back then, or any type of fluidity. Okay, 173 00:10:39,309 --> 00:10:43,829 Speaker 2: so she seems more aware and honestly, something that we're 174 00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:46,189 Speaker 2: about to get into is the fact that Katie Perry 175 00:10:46,749 --> 00:10:49,989 Speaker 2: timed her career badly in that she did all the 176 00:10:50,069 --> 00:10:53,709 Speaker 2: dumb shit people were doing in the early two thousands 177 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:56,189 Speaker 2: and then also existed at the time where everyone realized 178 00:10:56,229 --> 00:10:59,709 Speaker 2: how dumb it was. Oh no, yeah, so whereas other 179 00:10:59,749 --> 00:11:03,109 Speaker 2: people missed that part where everybody was just saying and 180 00:11:03,149 --> 00:11:05,949 Speaker 2: doing really stupid thing. Yeah. Right, So if you're a 181 00:11:05,989 --> 00:11:10,469 Speaker 2: Billie Eilish, for example, then you kind of you miss yeah, 182 00:11:10,589 --> 00:11:15,429 Speaker 2: unless her time is coming. Yeah. Cultural appropriation. What everyone 183 00:11:15,469 --> 00:11:17,869 Speaker 2: who was around in this era is guilty of this 184 00:11:17,989 --> 00:11:20,789 Speaker 2: crime exactly from Ariana Grande, who else have we done? 185 00:11:20,829 --> 00:11:23,429 Speaker 2: Who's guilty of oh every cut ash in Yeah, Miranda 186 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:26,469 Speaker 2: Kurt Yeah yeah. If you were famous at this time, 187 00:11:26,509 --> 00:11:31,229 Speaker 2: a makeup artist was like, let's change your raise. Yeah no, no, 188 00:11:31,589 --> 00:11:34,069 Speaker 2: America's next time model. Oh my god remember that? Yees, 189 00:11:34,589 --> 00:11:37,389 Speaker 2: it was of its time. Yeah. Here are just a 190 00:11:37,389 --> 00:11:41,869 Speaker 2: few examples, Jesse, tell me what you see, all right. 191 00:11:42,109 --> 00:11:47,069 Speaker 2: So first image, we've got Cornrows. Great, yep, that is 192 00:11:47,189 --> 00:11:51,109 Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. That's bad. Oh, second one, I could have 193 00:11:51,149 --> 00:11:53,349 Speaker 2: told you this was going to happen. It is a 194 00:11:53,589 --> 00:11:56,789 Speaker 2: geisha and she's got an umbrella and she is in 195 00:11:56,829 --> 00:12:01,229 Speaker 2: the traditional Japanese like cultural dress. And that was at 196 00:12:01,229 --> 00:12:04,909 Speaker 2: the AMA's Yep. The one above was actually twenty fourteen. 197 00:12:05,029 --> 00:12:07,309 Speaker 2: That one's twenty thirteen. What's the next one? The next 198 00:12:07,429 --> 00:12:12,189 Speaker 2: one is Cornrows twenty seventeen on Instagram, where I think 199 00:12:12,189 --> 00:12:15,189 Speaker 2: people were like corn Rows and they would post Instagram 200 00:12:15,229 --> 00:12:18,109 Speaker 2: and everyone's like no, no, no, no, just no, that's 201 00:12:18,189 --> 00:12:22,949 Speaker 2: not actually no. Also, in her song this is how 202 00:12:22,989 --> 00:12:31,429 Speaker 2: we do. 203 00:12:23,469 --> 00:12:24,229 Speaker 3: This, we do. 204 00:12:27,909 --> 00:12:30,509 Speaker 2: That, which is a terrible song, and I remember thinking 205 00:12:30,509 --> 00:12:33,389 Speaker 2: at the time, this is bad. I it was like, 206 00:12:33,469 --> 00:12:35,189 Speaker 2: if it's old, I wouldn't go this is bad. But 207 00:12:35,229 --> 00:12:37,909 Speaker 2: I also wouldn't bop along, but I did be fine. Okay, 208 00:12:38,349 --> 00:12:42,029 Speaker 2: she sings. Now we talk in astrology getting our nails 209 00:12:42,069 --> 00:12:45,949 Speaker 2: down all Japanese in brackets. This is how we do. 210 00:12:47,029 --> 00:12:50,949 Speaker 2: Hey is getting your nails done Japanese? 211 00:12:51,349 --> 00:12:51,789 Speaker 3: I don't know. 212 00:12:51,949 --> 00:12:56,789 Speaker 2: Guy, clearly just rhymed. But it didn't. Astrology in Japanese. Also, 213 00:12:56,909 --> 00:13:00,909 Speaker 2: Japanese isn't a word. No, it's not. And clearly in 214 00:13:00,949 --> 00:13:03,149 Speaker 2: the film clips, you're like in a nail salon. I'm like, 215 00:13:03,189 --> 00:13:05,989 Speaker 2: you're trying to say that people of Asian descent working 216 00:13:07,029 --> 00:13:11,149 Speaker 2: like and they're like, well it worked when Gwen Stefani 217 00:13:11,149 --> 00:13:14,429 Speaker 2: did hero Juku Girl, I did it because everyone's upset. 218 00:13:15,789 --> 00:13:19,709 Speaker 2: It wasn't. Okay. Now the culture has shifted. Katie's in 219 00:13:19,709 --> 00:13:22,309 Speaker 2: a weird place, and this is what happens. She clearly 220 00:13:22,349 --> 00:13:26,189 Speaker 2: felt weird about a number of things she had done. Yeah, 221 00:13:26,229 --> 00:13:29,069 Speaker 2: you just want to raise a few years, Yeah, photos 222 00:13:29,629 --> 00:13:31,429 Speaker 2: get it, I get it. I'd like to raise two 223 00:13:31,429 --> 00:13:34,509 Speaker 2: thousand and eight. Yeah. So she tried to make her 224 00:13:34,629 --> 00:13:39,189 Speaker 2: music political, Yep, great, great. I just remember Pink did 225 00:13:39,269 --> 00:13:43,429 Speaker 2: Dear Mister President like it was honestly, that was great. President, 226 00:13:44,909 --> 00:13:48,269 Speaker 2: Come check a walk with me. I like that song. Yeah, 227 00:13:48,869 --> 00:13:52,109 Speaker 2: Pink nailed it. Yeah, other people not so much. Oh No. 228 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:57,549 Speaker 2: Her Twitter bio read artist activist conscious Jesse. I don't 229 00:13:57,549 --> 00:14:00,669 Speaker 2: think anyone needs to sign both that they're conscious, we assumed. 230 00:14:01,269 --> 00:14:03,509 Speaker 2: And then when she goes to sleep, does she update 231 00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:07,789 Speaker 2: it unconscious? And then she wakes up again? Are you conscious? Again? 232 00:14:08,989 --> 00:14:13,069 Speaker 2: She decided she was doing purposeful pop and everyone one 233 00:14:13,109 --> 00:14:16,709 Speaker 2: wants purposeful pop. No one wants that. And everyone was like, hmm, 234 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:20,989 Speaker 2: but what about jestures broadly and everything you've ever done? 235 00:14:21,309 --> 00:14:24,989 Speaker 2: And she's like, things are different now. An awkward Instagram 236 00:14:25,029 --> 00:14:28,789 Speaker 2: post in this era of trying to be very woke. Yeah, 237 00:14:29,229 --> 00:14:32,349 Speaker 2: she posted this, Jesse. I want you to read the 238 00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:36,549 Speaker 2: caption that she's posted on Instagram and then describe what 239 00:14:36,669 --> 00:14:39,669 Speaker 2: you see. Okay, So this is the post she's written 240 00:14:39,709 --> 00:14:43,509 Speaker 2: May two, twenty seventeen. All the news that's fit to print. 241 00:14:43,509 --> 00:14:44,989 Speaker 2: And she's taken a photo of the New York Times. 242 00:14:45,029 --> 00:14:47,869 Speaker 2: She's very clever reading the New York Times. And it 243 00:14:47,989 --> 00:14:51,349 Speaker 2: is an image of someone it looks like the mcgala. 244 00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:54,349 Speaker 2: So it's her at the macgala. Yep. But you want 245 00:14:54,349 --> 00:14:56,989 Speaker 2: to just cast your eyes upwards. There is a man 246 00:14:57,069 --> 00:15:02,229 Speaker 2: on fire, there's a man on fire. What what is 247 00:15:02,269 --> 00:15:04,789 Speaker 2: she saying? Is she kind of hang on? Is she 248 00:15:04,869 --> 00:15:08,029 Speaker 2: suggesting how ridiculous that I would be on the front 249 00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:11,709 Speaker 2: page when there's old news of this gravity going on 250 00:15:11,749 --> 00:15:13,629 Speaker 2: at the same time. Because that's a really good point. Okay, 251 00:15:14,149 --> 00:15:17,429 Speaker 2: that's a generous reading, right, because the captain says all 252 00:15:17,469 --> 00:15:20,149 Speaker 2: the news that's fit to print with a little pointy 253 00:15:20,189 --> 00:15:24,469 Speaker 2: finger and a love heart, love heart New York Times, right, okay, 254 00:15:25,149 --> 00:15:27,709 Speaker 2: And that cover shows an image of a French policeman 255 00:15:27,749 --> 00:15:32,629 Speaker 2: who had been set on fire during recent protests in Paris. Now, 256 00:15:33,069 --> 00:15:35,509 Speaker 2: some people said she was making the point that her 257 00:15:35,589 --> 00:15:38,269 Speaker 2: dress shouldn't be on that front page it has more 258 00:15:38,709 --> 00:15:42,309 Speaker 2: newsworthy stories. But if that's true, she didn't express it 259 00:15:42,469 --> 00:15:46,389 Speaker 2: very eloquently. She's too ambiguous, because what it looks like 260 00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:49,909 Speaker 2: is you got the two big news stories right today, yeah, 261 00:15:50,029 --> 00:15:52,189 Speaker 2: Or that she's gone all the news that fit to 262 00:15:52,229 --> 00:15:55,029 Speaker 2: print and hears me at the met Gala and just 263 00:15:55,069 --> 00:15:58,869 Speaker 2: focused on that and hasn't really noticed that there is 264 00:15:58,909 --> 00:16:03,069 Speaker 2: some serious news on that page. Oh she didn't get 265 00:16:03,069 --> 00:16:06,989 Speaker 2: the caption ru Yeah, the comments were pretty brutal and 266 00:16:07,429 --> 00:16:13,349 Speaker 2: she didn't respond to it. 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And if you're already a subscriber, congratulations, 276 00:16:52,309 --> 00:16:56,709 Speaker 4: because guess what, you're already entered, and because we want 277 00:16:56,709 --> 00:16:59,149 Speaker 4: a lazy girl to win, you can use the code 278 00:16:59,309 --> 00:17:02,949 Speaker 4: Robot twenty for twenty dollars off. The prize draw is 279 00:17:02,989 --> 00:17:06,109 Speaker 4: happening on the ninth of July and terms and conditions apply. 280 00:17:06,709 --> 00:17:08,429 Speaker 4: If you want to know more, there's a link in 281 00:17:08,469 --> 00:17:10,949 Speaker 4: the show notes back to the show. 282 00:17:12,229 --> 00:17:15,309 Speaker 2: The time she filmed herself for seventy two hours. I 283 00:17:15,509 --> 00:17:19,629 Speaker 2: need this explained, please. In twenty seventeen, to celebrate the 284 00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:24,029 Speaker 2: release of her album Witness, Katie Perry installed forty one 285 00:17:24,149 --> 00:17:27,989 Speaker 2: cameras in an LA apartment and broadcast her life for 286 00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:32,589 Speaker 2: seventy two hours. This is interesting. This is artistically interesting 287 00:17:32,669 --> 00:17:36,069 Speaker 2: if I'm thinking about fame and paparazzi and the experience 288 00:17:36,109 --> 00:17:38,909 Speaker 2: of being surveiled. I don't hate this. I think it 289 00:17:38,949 --> 00:17:44,229 Speaker 2: was a great boardroom concept. It wasn't the reality. In 290 00:17:44,269 --> 00:17:48,189 Speaker 2: the stream you see her eating, meditating, and sleeping. Just 291 00:17:48,229 --> 00:17:50,869 Speaker 2: think it's not particularly interesting to watch someone meditate. That's 292 00:17:50,909 --> 00:17:52,709 Speaker 2: a very you experience. 293 00:17:52,749 --> 00:17:52,909 Speaker 1: Yeah. 294 00:17:52,989 --> 00:17:56,189 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a flex and playing with her dog, 295 00:17:56,589 --> 00:17:59,349 Speaker 2: as well as doing a therapy session in her house. 296 00:17:59,669 --> 00:18:02,709 Speaker 2: It wasn't her house, it was just an apartment. And 297 00:18:02,829 --> 00:18:05,909 Speaker 2: James Corden comes to visit. Oh, she does cooking with 298 00:18:05,949 --> 00:18:10,629 Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey, yoga with Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Oh see watunately, 299 00:18:10,629 --> 00:18:13,229 Speaker 2: what's happened is you have recorded your life and I 300 00:18:13,229 --> 00:18:17,309 Speaker 2: think it almost confirms why the perhaps want to watch you. Yes, 301 00:18:17,429 --> 00:18:19,909 Speaker 2: James Corden came to visit. Yeah, from best. 302 00:18:19,709 --> 00:18:26,269 Speaker 1: To worst in bed. Oh, now rank John Mayer, Diplo 303 00:18:26,389 --> 00:18:36,029 Speaker 1: and Orlando Bloom, So let's go Diplo, yes, and then 304 00:18:36,909 --> 00:18:39,069 Speaker 1: Mayor then Bloom, Bloom, then Mayor. 305 00:18:39,349 --> 00:18:42,829 Speaker 2: Oh it's like this is why your life is actually 306 00:18:42,909 --> 00:18:46,069 Speaker 2: quite interesting. Yes, but then she's talking about astrophysics with 307 00:18:46,149 --> 00:18:49,549 Speaker 2: Neil deGrasse Hyacinth, and it's like, I don't think that 308 00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:52,789 Speaker 2: you're usually doing that. There's also a dinner with a 309 00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:57,309 Speaker 2: bunch of celebrities, including Margaret Cho and Caitlyn Jenna about 310 00:18:57,309 --> 00:19:01,989 Speaker 2: politics and race relations. Oh no, please stay in your lane. 311 00:19:02,269 --> 00:19:05,669 Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, this is mortifying, you know that. 312 00:19:05,709 --> 00:19:07,789 Speaker 2: She was like, I'm recording my life for seventy two hours. 313 00:19:07,829 --> 00:19:09,749 Speaker 2: It's like when you do a day in the life 314 00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:12,269 Speaker 2: and you're like, well, I'm not going to do it, 315 00:19:12,469 --> 00:19:14,669 Speaker 2: you know, on a random Tuesday. I mean do it 316 00:19:14,669 --> 00:19:16,549 Speaker 2: on the busiest day of this year and make it 317 00:19:16,589 --> 00:19:18,909 Speaker 2: look like I'm very productive. Yes, and I have a 318 00:19:18,909 --> 00:19:20,669 Speaker 2: lot of work, and that I always get up early, 319 00:19:21,069 --> 00:19:24,069 Speaker 2: that I always exercise, and that I always have forty 320 00:19:24,069 --> 00:19:27,269 Speaker 2: five podcast records so that everyone thinks I'm very efficient. 321 00:19:28,309 --> 00:19:31,949 Speaker 2: She recorded podcasts, and this is when she apologized for 322 00:19:31,949 --> 00:19:33,949 Speaker 2: her past cultural appropriation. 323 00:19:34,069 --> 00:19:36,429 Speaker 3: I've made to several mistakes, even in like this is 324 00:19:36,469 --> 00:19:38,869 Speaker 3: how we do video about how I wore my hair 325 00:19:39,389 --> 00:19:42,989 Speaker 3: and having a hard conversation with one of my empowered 326 00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:46,669 Speaker 3: angels clear about what does it mean, why can't I 327 00:19:46,749 --> 00:19:49,749 Speaker 3: wear my hair that way or what is the history 328 00:19:49,789 --> 00:19:51,429 Speaker 3: behind wearing the hair that way? 329 00:19:51,589 --> 00:19:54,989 Speaker 2: It was described as a bizarre publicity stunt, and The 330 00:19:55,069 --> 00:19:58,709 Speaker 2: New Yorker said, every moment of witness worldwide, that's what 331 00:19:58,749 --> 00:20:02,629 Speaker 2: it was called, felt heavy with promotional intention and low 332 00:20:02,749 --> 00:20:06,389 Speaker 2: on spontaneity of frankness, which is also what makes the 333 00:20:06,429 --> 00:20:09,749 Speaker 2: album itself a slog. But she was also praised for 334 00:20:09,749 --> 00:20:14,389 Speaker 2: opening up about her mental health struggles so publicly. But Jess, 335 00:20:14,429 --> 00:20:17,629 Speaker 2: would you film yourself for seventy two hours straight? I would? 336 00:20:17,629 --> 00:20:19,829 Speaker 2: If I could pretend like it was a common occurrence 337 00:20:19,829 --> 00:20:22,909 Speaker 2: that Neil Degrass Tyson comes over and we talk about astrophysics. 338 00:20:23,309 --> 00:20:26,029 Speaker 2: What would you throw in there? I would definitely meditate, 339 00:20:26,949 --> 00:20:29,549 Speaker 2: like if I was being filmed for seventy two hours, 340 00:20:29,589 --> 00:20:32,309 Speaker 2: the things I would do to make it look like 341 00:20:33,349 --> 00:20:37,189 Speaker 2: my life was fuller and more worthy than it truly is. 342 00:20:37,829 --> 00:20:39,869 Speaker 2: I would spend a lot less time on my phone. 343 00:20:39,949 --> 00:20:43,949 Speaker 2: I would be like, not scrolling TikTok for seventy two hours. 344 00:20:44,629 --> 00:20:49,149 Speaker 2: Here's a thing that I think about, Katie Perry. You 345 00:20:49,309 --> 00:20:53,909 Speaker 2: know how we often say, even at work, it's actually 346 00:20:53,949 --> 00:20:57,309 Speaker 2: a skill to know what's interesting to other people, right, 347 00:20:57,749 --> 00:21:00,509 Speaker 2: And I am not saying it's a good skill. It 348 00:21:00,589 --> 00:21:04,229 Speaker 2: means you're a basic bitch. Yeah, I'm a basic bitch 349 00:21:04,269 --> 00:21:06,949 Speaker 2: for example. Yeah, I would agree with that. In the 350 00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:10,989 Speaker 2: I do not have sophisticated taste. No, don't think Katie 351 00:21:10,989 --> 00:21:14,469 Speaker 2: Perry has particularly good instincts about what's interesting to other people. 352 00:21:14,709 --> 00:21:17,269 Speaker 2: I find it all of this is extremely interesting. But 353 00:21:17,389 --> 00:21:21,429 Speaker 2: it wasn't like think about it if your Gordon came 354 00:21:21,429 --> 00:21:25,909 Speaker 2: to be there. Yeah, but like it was boring. And 355 00:21:25,949 --> 00:21:28,309 Speaker 2: I like the idea that you would pretend like it 356 00:21:28,389 --> 00:21:31,709 Speaker 2: is a normal Thursday night activity to have people over 357 00:21:31,829 --> 00:21:36,229 Speaker 2: to talk about race relations. I like that. That's funny. 358 00:21:36,629 --> 00:21:39,269 Speaker 2: I guess my question is this is twenty seventeen. Why 359 00:21:39,269 --> 00:21:42,629 Speaker 2: didn't we care? Because did you care? No? I missed it? Yeah, 360 00:21:42,949 --> 00:21:45,949 Speaker 2: why did we miss it? Because it was boring? I 361 00:21:45,989 --> 00:21:47,789 Speaker 2: actually think it's because I don't know any of the 362 00:21:47,789 --> 00:21:51,629 Speaker 2: songs from this album. Yeah, we'll get trying to feud 363 00:21:51,749 --> 00:21:53,629 Speaker 2: with Taylor Sweet because maybe now. 364 00:21:53,469 --> 00:21:56,269 Speaker 1: We got bad. 365 00:21:56,069 --> 00:21:58,309 Speaker 2: In that seventy two hours she brought up her feud 366 00:21:58,469 --> 00:22:01,509 Speaker 2: with Taylor Sweet. I don't understand. Sorry, Oh I've got 367 00:22:01,549 --> 00:22:03,749 Speaker 2: a hole. So with the seventy two hours, where was 368 00:22:03,749 --> 00:22:11,829 Speaker 2: it being broadcasting every like YouTube live? Yeah? Yep? Did you? 369 00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:16,949 Speaker 2: I mean not? That was reported she got toilet a lot, 370 00:22:17,349 --> 00:22:19,469 Speaker 2: she like had a shower, all of that, but like 371 00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:22,469 Speaker 2: you couldn't see. No, you see her in bed, you 372 00:22:22,509 --> 00:22:24,589 Speaker 2: see her sleeping, you see like that kind of thing. 373 00:22:25,309 --> 00:22:27,069 Speaker 2: But you see her like get up in the morning. 374 00:22:27,229 --> 00:22:28,789 Speaker 2: But no, you don't see her seating on the toilet 375 00:22:28,829 --> 00:22:32,429 Speaker 2: and do a shit. All right, Cool? Cool, cool. So 376 00:22:32,749 --> 00:22:34,709 Speaker 2: she talked about her feud with Taylor Swift in a 377 00:22:34,749 --> 00:22:37,829 Speaker 2: podcast interview from the House, saying, I'm ready to let 378 00:22:37,869 --> 00:22:39,149 Speaker 2: it go. I forgive her and. 379 00:22:39,149 --> 00:22:41,309 Speaker 3: I'm sorry for anything I ever did, and. 380 00:22:41,269 --> 00:22:43,509 Speaker 2: I hope the same from her. Like maybe I don't 381 00:22:43,509 --> 00:22:45,949 Speaker 2: agree with everything she does, and she doesn't agree with 382 00:22:45,989 --> 00:22:46,669 Speaker 2: everything I. 383 00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:48,309 Speaker 3: Do, and I love her and I want the best 384 00:22:48,349 --> 00:22:48,789 Speaker 3: for her. 385 00:22:48,669 --> 00:22:50,909 Speaker 2: But I just really truly want to come together in 386 00:22:50,949 --> 00:22:52,989 Speaker 2: a place of love and figure. Okay, but what don't 387 00:22:52,989 --> 00:22:56,029 Speaker 2: you agree with that Taylor did going back in time 388 00:22:56,709 --> 00:23:01,509 Speaker 2: this feud, Okay, Jesse. They started off very chummy, lots 389 00:23:01,509 --> 00:23:04,549 Speaker 2: of tweets that are like, you're so sweet, happy birthday, 390 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:10,629 Speaker 2: pretty girl. Okay, so American, pretty girl. But then thirteen 391 00:23:11,069 --> 00:23:16,029 Speaker 2: a dancer does an interview with an Australian publication. I 392 00:23:16,109 --> 00:23:20,029 Speaker 2: love what Australia inserts itself called The Examiner, and the 393 00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:24,789 Speaker 2: dancer was Lockhart Brownly, and he said in passing that 394 00:23:24,989 --> 00:23:28,549 Speaker 2: he and two other dancers had left Taylor Swift's Red 395 00:23:28,589 --> 00:23:32,029 Speaker 2: Tour to join Perry for her Prism tour. That's what 396 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:37,029 Speaker 2: I went to. I think, Okay, yeah, that checks out. Okay, obviously, 397 00:23:37,429 --> 00:23:42,149 Speaker 2: great tour. Okay, thanks to Lockhart. Lockhart said, obviously, we 398 00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:43,909 Speaker 2: were with Katie for two and a half years. She's 399 00:23:43,949 --> 00:23:46,829 Speaker 2: like family to us, so we were like, absolutely, yeah, 400 00:23:46,869 --> 00:23:48,029 Speaker 2: this is Katy Perry. 401 00:23:48,069 --> 00:23:49,789 Speaker 3: You know, this is Yeah, this is awesome. 402 00:23:49,949 --> 00:23:51,749 Speaker 5: This is what I've always wanted to dream of. 403 00:23:51,869 --> 00:23:54,709 Speaker 2: We weren't really dancing in Taylor's tour anyway, so I 404 00:23:54,749 --> 00:23:56,549 Speaker 2: had got a little bored and I really wanted to 405 00:23:56,549 --> 00:24:00,309 Speaker 2: do a promo tour. Then Taylor Swift releases Bad Blood 406 00:24:00,469 --> 00:24:07,949 Speaker 2: the following year, twenty fourteen, and she says it's about 407 00:24:07,949 --> 00:24:12,189 Speaker 2: a female music artist who you won't name, who tried 408 00:24:12,229 --> 00:24:16,349 Speaker 2: to sabotage her tour by hiring people on her staff. 409 00:24:16,909 --> 00:24:21,069 Speaker 2: People were like, oh, oh, it's clearly Katie Pearmber Lockhart. Yeah, 410 00:24:21,429 --> 00:24:25,509 Speaker 2: Katie Perry tweets this watch out for the Regina George 411 00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:29,709 Speaker 2: in Sheep's clothing Okay. So what we've got is it's 412 00:24:29,789 --> 00:24:33,189 Speaker 2: clear it's a feud. Yep, there's all this passive aggressive 413 00:24:33,189 --> 00:24:37,909 Speaker 2: stuff floating around on Twitter. But the problem is Katie 414 00:24:38,749 --> 00:24:40,909 Speaker 2: clearly has a bit of a dip in her career, 415 00:24:40,949 --> 00:24:45,069 Speaker 2: and she's like, cool, oh my feud with Taylor Swift. 416 00:24:45,309 --> 00:24:49,829 Speaker 2: She did Bad Blood all do a dis track? Humming back? 417 00:24:50,869 --> 00:24:54,109 Speaker 2: Oh and Jesse, I'm going to remind you what her 418 00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:57,989 Speaker 2: dis track was. Okay. Oh, you look really sad, don't 419 00:24:58,029 --> 00:24:59,149 Speaker 2: It gives me sad feelings? 420 00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:59,389 Speaker 3: Oh? 421 00:24:59,629 --> 00:25:03,029 Speaker 2: Because it just wasn't Bad Blood quality wise? Do I 422 00:25:03,109 --> 00:25:06,669 Speaker 2: know this song? You actually do, but you've forgotten it? Okay? 423 00:25:06,909 --> 00:25:08,109 Speaker 2: Which is for the best. 424 00:25:08,269 --> 00:25:11,229 Speaker 1: Sish Swishish another one. 425 00:25:14,269 --> 00:25:16,549 Speaker 2: Look, it wasn't quite the same. But what I would 426 00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:19,669 Speaker 2: like to crossecute is, do you think there is a 427 00:25:19,709 --> 00:25:23,189 Speaker 2: manner or a woman in the music industry who has 428 00:25:23,229 --> 00:25:26,909 Speaker 2: a bucket full of disk tracks and you knock on 429 00:25:26,989 --> 00:25:31,429 Speaker 2: his door or her door. I would like one times distrack. 430 00:25:31,469 --> 00:25:34,269 Speaker 2: What would you like to include. Well, there's a feud, 431 00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:39,429 Speaker 2: there's a Twitter incident, there's a career upset. I have 432 00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:43,909 Speaker 2: just the disc track. It's called Swish Swish, It's called Sish, 433 00:25:44,349 --> 00:25:46,549 Speaker 2: I promise you it will be big. Did you write 434 00:25:46,589 --> 00:25:50,749 Speaker 2: bad Blood? No, No, that wasn't me. Yes, it's not good. 435 00:25:51,229 --> 00:25:54,189 Speaker 2: It's the film and the film Cliff isn't good. And 436 00:25:54,229 --> 00:25:58,509 Speaker 2: it's weird. It is weird, and it's not really very funny. 437 00:25:58,669 --> 00:26:01,789 Speaker 2: Well it's weird because I don't get it, like swish 438 00:26:01,829 --> 00:26:05,069 Speaker 2: swish fish like is that what it's it's not very classy. 439 00:26:05,229 --> 00:26:07,829 Speaker 2: It's not very classy. And it's also like we said 440 00:26:07,829 --> 00:26:10,629 Speaker 2: this about dis tracks, fucking get to it. Yeah, get 441 00:26:10,669 --> 00:26:13,509 Speaker 2: to the point and more say what you mean, more explicit, 442 00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:17,389 Speaker 2: more explicit about what we're upset about, because swish swish 443 00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:20,269 Speaker 2: to me, we're suggesting we've got a basketball and now 444 00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:23,669 Speaker 2: I don't know enough about basketball to follow. Why are 445 00:26:23,709 --> 00:26:27,069 Speaker 2: we mad at Taylor Swift? Yeah, at Taylor Allison Swift? 446 00:26:27,429 --> 00:26:30,029 Speaker 2: What has she done to us? Make it clear up, 447 00:26:30,069 --> 00:26:33,429 Speaker 2: make it clearer. What's happened behind the scenes? How do 448 00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:37,109 Speaker 2: we feel about such things? Jesse? It got completely panned, 449 00:26:37,349 --> 00:26:40,829 Speaker 2: and especially in hindsight, people are like, there's bad Blood, 450 00:26:41,749 --> 00:26:46,069 Speaker 2: it's also kind of Taylor's career, and then there's Swedishi. 451 00:26:46,949 --> 00:26:49,509 Speaker 2: Oh sishly, she didn't do what she hoped it would know, 452 00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:52,229 Speaker 2: So Jess. You might be thinking, like, oh, I feel 453 00:26:52,269 --> 00:26:56,789 Speaker 2: like Katerberry hasn't done a lot music wise recently. She has. 454 00:26:56,869 --> 00:26:59,669 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two she did that menu log song 455 00:27:00,429 --> 00:27:05,869 Speaker 2: menu Log. Oh how it goes? It's like did somebody see? 456 00:27:06,349 --> 00:27:09,349 Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh and she's really really trying. 457 00:27:11,509 --> 00:27:13,429 Speaker 3: The let you. 458 00:27:16,269 --> 00:27:20,549 Speaker 1: And what must Yeah yeah yeah, when a borrowing delivery. 459 00:27:20,989 --> 00:27:23,069 Speaker 2: Hurry in a hurry, yeah yeah yeah. And she's like, 460 00:27:23,189 --> 00:27:26,669 Speaker 2: papaa salad while I sing a ballad. You think she 461 00:27:26,709 --> 00:27:30,949 Speaker 2: wrote that you're better than this. You are better because 462 00:27:30,949 --> 00:27:33,989 Speaker 2: you didn't Snoop Dogg do uber eats or something. I 463 00:27:33,989 --> 00:27:36,109 Speaker 2: don't know. They're throwing big dollars. Would you say no, 464 00:27:36,589 --> 00:27:40,949 Speaker 2: I wouldn't know. I would go menulogue dig dong because 465 00:27:40,989 --> 00:27:43,589 Speaker 2: I would say this is a brand I believe in. Yeah, 466 00:27:43,709 --> 00:27:56,189 Speaker 2: exactly right. A battle with nuns. This was me very 467 00:27:56,269 --> 00:28:00,469 Speaker 2: late last night. There's a pedestrian article titled we really 468 00:28:00,509 --> 00:28:03,549 Speaker 2: don't talk enough about that time and Nune died in 469 00:28:03,629 --> 00:28:07,549 Speaker 2: court while fighting Katie Perry I killed and none and 470 00:28:07,709 --> 00:28:10,789 Speaker 2: I liked it. It's not funny. We don't talk enough 471 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:14,389 Speaker 2: about that. That's true. I remember seeing these keywords at 472 00:28:14,429 --> 00:28:16,509 Speaker 2: the time. But I feel like I never clear you 473 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:19,069 Speaker 2: were obsessed with this story, because I at one point 474 00:28:19,109 --> 00:28:21,269 Speaker 2: you definitely knew all the details of this story. Okay. 475 00:28:21,349 --> 00:28:24,349 Speaker 2: The first line of that article is does anyone else 476 00:28:24,429 --> 00:28:27,789 Speaker 2: constantly think about that time? And Nune said Katie Perry, 477 00:28:27,829 --> 00:28:31,309 Speaker 2: please stop before literally dropping dead in court? And yes, Jesse, 478 00:28:31,989 --> 00:28:36,029 Speaker 2: yes I do think about that very often. A right, wait, wait, 479 00:28:36,109 --> 00:28:39,429 Speaker 2: and I forget all the details, and everyone forgets the details. Okay, 480 00:28:39,429 --> 00:28:43,429 Speaker 2: why was Katy Perry in court? In twenty fifteen? Katie 481 00:28:43,469 --> 00:28:47,509 Speaker 2: Perry goes to buy a former convent. Okay, it feels 482 00:28:47,509 --> 00:28:51,029 Speaker 2: a bit strange, it does, given her religious upbringing, and 483 00:28:51,069 --> 00:28:54,789 Speaker 2: it's like, could we buy something that isn't a convent? Anyway, 484 00:28:55,629 --> 00:28:58,629 Speaker 2: she strikes a deal with the Catholic archdiocese and she 485 00:28:58,709 --> 00:29:02,109 Speaker 2: pays fourteen point five million dollars for the former convent, 486 00:29:03,149 --> 00:29:05,469 Speaker 2: but the nuns are like, no, no, no, we own 487 00:29:05,509 --> 00:29:09,269 Speaker 2: it as the nuns who live here. So they sell 488 00:29:09,309 --> 00:29:12,469 Speaker 2: it to someone else, a woman named Dana, for fifteen 489 00:29:12,509 --> 00:29:15,869 Speaker 2: point five meal. Okay, I know a little bit about 490 00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:21,309 Speaker 2: how nuns work. I thought nuns took a vow of chastity. 491 00:29:21,429 --> 00:29:24,549 Speaker 2: I think that's true with sex. No of poverty, of poverty. 492 00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:28,909 Speaker 2: They take a vow of poverty because nuns, when you 493 00:29:28,989 --> 00:29:31,469 Speaker 2: go into that nunnery, you're not meant to be making 494 00:29:31,469 --> 00:29:33,669 Speaker 2: fifteen point five minutes. No, and you're not putting down 495 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:35,829 Speaker 2: a deposit. You don't have a mortgage. Why do you 496 00:29:35,829 --> 00:29:38,469 Speaker 2: not have a mortgage because you're not technically working. You 497 00:29:38,509 --> 00:29:41,869 Speaker 2: are working, No, they are, God, No, they are working. Yeah, 498 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:44,349 Speaker 2: but you're not getting a salary. No, so you can't 499 00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:48,069 Speaker 2: pay your mortgage. No, okay, who owns it? The pope? 500 00:29:48,469 --> 00:29:51,749 Speaker 2: Who gets all that money. So Katie is like, it's fine, 501 00:29:52,109 --> 00:29:55,149 Speaker 2: it's fine. I can fix this. So she goes to 502 00:29:55,229 --> 00:30:00,109 Speaker 2: the nuns. She shows them her Jesus tattoo. Okay, yep, 503 00:30:00,589 --> 00:30:05,269 Speaker 2: and she sings, oh, happy day to the nuts. They're 504 00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:08,989 Speaker 2: not impressed. No, you've underestimated the nuns and in and art, 505 00:30:09,069 --> 00:30:12,309 Speaker 2: I think that's worth a million bucks. Well, actually I 506 00:30:12,349 --> 00:30:13,989 Speaker 2: was gonna say that's the difference in it, but really 507 00:30:13,989 --> 00:30:17,709 Speaker 2: fifteen meal, Well she sings, I think they're pissed at 508 00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:20,909 Speaker 2: Katy Perry ever since Psychistic Girl. Well that's the thing 509 00:30:21,149 --> 00:30:24,309 Speaker 2: in an article talking about when Katy Perry came to visit, 510 00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:28,069 Speaker 2: they were like, well we looked her up. One we 511 00:30:28,069 --> 00:30:30,149 Speaker 2: looked her up and two this is petty. One of 512 00:30:30,189 --> 00:30:32,709 Speaker 2: the nuns said she had to google the lyrics to 513 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:38,749 Speaker 2: Oh Happy Day. Surely she knew some Christian rock by hour. 514 00:30:38,869 --> 00:30:41,629 Speaker 2: I know, but I don't know if nuns like Christian rock. Yeah, 515 00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:44,789 Speaker 2: I think they only like hymns. Oh Happy Day seems 516 00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:47,869 Speaker 2: even a little bit joyous. Yes, we've just looked up 517 00:30:47,869 --> 00:30:52,549 Speaker 2: the lyrics to our happy Days. There are no lyrics. 518 00:30:52,949 --> 00:30:59,269 Speaker 2: It's just that, oh happy Days, Oh happy Day. Oh 519 00:30:59,629 --> 00:31:02,589 Speaker 2: Like it's quite repetitive. I don't know how you don't 520 00:31:02,629 --> 00:31:04,669 Speaker 2: know the lyrics to that? What are you checking? Mate? 521 00:31:05,309 --> 00:31:10,069 Speaker 2: Good one. So they're not impressed with Katy Perry. They're like, like, bitch, 522 00:31:10,349 --> 00:31:15,189 Speaker 2: this ain't about singing, this about golder cash, this is 523 00:31:15,229 --> 00:31:19,189 Speaker 2: about care. But hang on, nuns, Knty Perry can't spend 524 00:31:19,229 --> 00:31:22,269 Speaker 2: fourteen mil on a convent and not get it. Well, 525 00:31:22,349 --> 00:31:25,869 Speaker 2: how about capitalism work? How about Dana? You can't sell 526 00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:27,629 Speaker 2: it twice? This is what happens when we're out of 527 00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:31,309 Speaker 2: the capitalist game for too long. Sell our convent to 528 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,789 Speaker 2: multiple people and give it to none. Yeah, what are 529 00:31:33,789 --> 00:31:35,909 Speaker 2: you going to do with all of that money? Then 530 00:31:35,949 --> 00:31:38,749 Speaker 2: the court is a bora bora. You shouldn't. You shouldn't, 531 00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:42,189 Speaker 2: you're none. Then the court is like, nah, legit, Nuns, 532 00:31:42,949 --> 00:31:46,269 Speaker 2: with all due respects, you don't own the property. You 533 00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:50,269 Speaker 2: didn't does You didn't legally sell it. It's Katie's to buy. 534 00:31:51,229 --> 00:31:54,229 Speaker 2: The archdiosis thing was legit, but the nuns were still 535 00:31:54,229 --> 00:31:57,509 Speaker 2: fighting it in court. One nun who was fighting the sale, 536 00:31:57,629 --> 00:32:02,189 Speaker 2: sister Catherine Rose Holsman, told media to Katy Perry, please stop. 537 00:32:02,469 --> 00:32:05,309 Speaker 2: It's not doing anyone any good except hurting a lot 538 00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:07,949 Speaker 2: of people. Just after she said that, she went to 539 00:32:07,989 --> 00:32:10,829 Speaker 2: court for an appearance related to the k and she 540 00:32:10,949 --> 00:32:16,749 Speaker 2: collapsed and she died. It's a lot like Katie, Katie Babe, 541 00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:21,189 Speaker 2: buy another convent, buy another convent. But even in celebrity 542 00:32:21,229 --> 00:32:24,709 Speaker 2: standards in USD it's a lot of more. Email is 543 00:32:24,709 --> 00:32:27,189 Speaker 2: a lot of money there. We talked about Sidney Sweeney. 544 00:32:27,229 --> 00:32:30,469 Speaker 2: Her house is only like four yeah, yeah, but she's 545 00:32:30,909 --> 00:32:33,749 Speaker 2: Perry forked out for that convent. And you can't then 546 00:32:33,829 --> 00:32:36,469 Speaker 2: just say we own it because when nuns, I mean, 547 00:32:36,509 --> 00:32:40,069 Speaker 2: the other solution would be the nuns live alongside you, Perry, 548 00:32:40,749 --> 00:32:46,269 Speaker 2: and they do attend the race. Relations didn't party and 549 00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:50,029 Speaker 2: nil Dea grass Tyson comes over and they discuss how 550 00:32:50,069 --> 00:32:51,949 Speaker 2: the universe was formed. Yeah, I think that would be 551 00:32:51,989 --> 00:32:55,869 Speaker 2: fun for her. Seventy two hour Last Dreamy. Yeah, Jesse 552 00:32:55,989 --> 00:33:03,269 Speaker 2: is time for charges and sentences. Jesse my charge. And 553 00:33:03,309 --> 00:33:06,309 Speaker 2: I want to say this in a really in a 554 00:33:06,429 --> 00:33:10,549 Speaker 2: nice way. But I went deep and I watched a 555 00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:13,429 Speaker 2: lot of Katie Perry videos. I listen to a lot 556 00:33:13,469 --> 00:33:19,629 Speaker 2: of Katie Perry music, and particularly the longer her career goes, huh, 557 00:33:19,709 --> 00:33:23,189 Speaker 2: the lower the quality. Things aren't good. Every time she 558 00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:25,829 Speaker 2: releases new music, goes further and further into the abyss 559 00:33:25,949 --> 00:33:29,549 Speaker 2: all right, and film clips just aren't really good quality, 560 00:33:29,629 --> 00:33:32,469 Speaker 2: and then not very I don't know. I liked Teenage 561 00:33:32,589 --> 00:33:35,389 Speaker 2: Dream Yeah, no like. And I'm sure people listening to 562 00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:38,669 Speaker 2: this will disagree with me, but I just I look 563 00:33:38,709 --> 00:33:41,789 Speaker 2: at it and I think, lately, Yeah, I go, Katie, 564 00:33:41,949 --> 00:33:45,269 Speaker 2: you don't believe it. You don't believe it, don't believe 565 00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:48,749 Speaker 2: in yourself, you don't believe in this music. You know what? 566 00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:52,469 Speaker 2: She needs to listen to firework, she needs j out 567 00:33:52,629 --> 00:33:56,229 Speaker 2: and raw. Yes, listen to those and then sit down 568 00:33:56,309 --> 00:33:58,429 Speaker 2: and try and write. Because for the record, she has 569 00:33:58,509 --> 00:34:02,029 Speaker 2: created some of the greatest music of this said, I agree, 570 00:34:02,229 --> 00:34:06,469 Speaker 2: agree genuinely, but lately but I think she actually does 571 00:34:06,509 --> 00:34:09,989 Speaker 2: feel like a plastic bag floating through the wind trying 572 00:34:10,029 --> 00:34:13,469 Speaker 2: to starting. Yeah, I genuinely think, yes, I bet she's 573 00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:16,629 Speaker 2: a firework, but I think at the moment, her heart's 574 00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:19,749 Speaker 2: not in it and it's coming through. That's okay. Our 575 00:34:19,749 --> 00:34:22,349 Speaker 2: heart doesn't have to always be in it. No, I 576 00:34:22,349 --> 00:34:24,229 Speaker 2: don't think she even asked Dorer music anymore. She's fine. 577 00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:29,069 Speaker 2: She can hang out with Daisy, that's her daughter. Yeah, sentence, Jess. 578 00:34:29,229 --> 00:34:30,789 Speaker 2: Sometimes when we make mistakes, we just need to go 579 00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:33,189 Speaker 2: back and correct it. Yeah, all right, we need to 580 00:34:33,229 --> 00:34:36,629 Speaker 2: go back to swish swish huh, and we need to 581 00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:40,749 Speaker 2: make a better quality disc track right, and potentially a 582 00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:43,509 Speaker 2: diss album because what she wanted to do, she wanted 583 00:34:43,549 --> 00:34:46,669 Speaker 2: to respond to Taylor, and she didn't get her moment. 584 00:34:46,869 --> 00:34:48,709 Speaker 2: Because I actually think when I look at the whole story, 585 00:34:48,709 --> 00:34:50,749 Speaker 2: I go, Okay, I might be on your side, but 586 00:34:50,789 --> 00:34:53,629 Speaker 2: you just didn't follow through the quality of your work. 587 00:34:53,709 --> 00:34:55,909 Speaker 2: Do you have that you're in an argument or you're 588 00:34:55,949 --> 00:34:59,309 Speaker 2: in like even an online back and forth, and you 589 00:34:59,429 --> 00:35:01,549 Speaker 2: go back and you go, that wasn't my best. No, 590 00:35:01,909 --> 00:35:04,749 Speaker 2: that has more potential. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was full 591 00:35:04,789 --> 00:35:10,989 Speaker 2: of adrenaline. I panicked. I went for speed the quality. Yeah, 592 00:35:11,189 --> 00:35:16,029 Speaker 2: that's with my twist fish. No no, no, no, no, no, Katie, 593 00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:18,509 Speaker 2: take a breath, Take a breath. Take a breath, because, 594 00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:22,509 Speaker 2: in Katie's defense, I was thinking of it and I 595 00:35:22,589 --> 00:35:24,629 Speaker 2: was like, it actually would be upsetting if you're Katy 596 00:35:24,709 --> 00:35:28,869 Speaker 2: Perry and Taylor Swift makes a whole song being mean 597 00:35:28,909 --> 00:35:32,909 Speaker 2: about you. Katy Perry kept trying to steal her dances? 598 00:35:32,989 --> 00:35:36,549 Speaker 2: Is that I don't know. I don't know anyway. I 599 00:35:36,669 --> 00:35:39,309 Speaker 2: just think she needs to go back, give it another 600 00:35:39,389 --> 00:35:44,029 Speaker 2: cake two, maybe even recruit Tail Swift for some songwriting help. 601 00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:44,269 Speaker 3: Yeah. 602 00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:46,109 Speaker 2: Hey, I want to write a dischack or go back 603 00:35:46,149 --> 00:35:49,469 Speaker 2: to the man or woman with the bucket and say 604 00:35:50,029 --> 00:35:52,389 Speaker 2: a better one. Can I have a little look through? 605 00:35:52,549 --> 00:35:55,109 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Can I see if there's something a bit 606 00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:58,389 Speaker 2: better than swish swish fish and see if there's something 607 00:35:58,389 --> 00:36:02,469 Speaker 2: that might be more true to me and my story? Yes, yes, exactly, Jesse. 608 00:36:02,629 --> 00:36:07,069 Speaker 2: What's your charge, all right? My charge is that I 609 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:12,709 Speaker 2: think getting into a legal stout with nuns plural is 610 00:36:12,749 --> 00:36:17,389 Speaker 2: bad juju. I think you don't want to get god offside, 611 00:36:17,869 --> 00:36:20,109 Speaker 2: and that's what you've done, because you know who prays 612 00:36:20,149 --> 00:36:22,789 Speaker 2: a lot, nuns, And yeah, they can pray for what 613 00:36:22,869 --> 00:36:28,669 Speaker 2: they want, but they can also say Katie, and you 614 00:36:28,669 --> 00:36:31,829 Speaker 2: don't want God to know that. And I'm worried about 615 00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:38,869 Speaker 2: their connection with the afterlife, with fate, with sin, with 616 00:36:38,909 --> 00:36:43,549 Speaker 2: such things. My sentence is, I do think that she 617 00:36:43,629 --> 00:36:45,949 Speaker 2: owes something to the nuns because she upset them and 618 00:36:45,949 --> 00:36:48,389 Speaker 2: because they lost one of their own. Would you say 619 00:36:48,389 --> 00:36:51,949 Speaker 2: fifteen point five mel No, Okay. What I would say 620 00:36:52,269 --> 00:36:55,709 Speaker 2: is that I feel like those nuns felt displaced and 621 00:36:55,749 --> 00:36:58,349 Speaker 2: that they liked their convent. Now I don't know about you, 622 00:36:58,389 --> 00:37:04,349 Speaker 2: but when I imagine convent, sound amusing alive with the sun. 623 00:37:04,629 --> 00:37:07,189 Speaker 2: I'm the convent i've ever seen, Oh my gosh. Absolutely, 624 00:37:07,229 --> 00:37:10,269 Speaker 2: and it's like a a castle with like stone. It's 625 00:37:10,309 --> 00:37:13,549 Speaker 2: got like gates, it's got gates. So I think that 626 00:37:14,309 --> 00:37:18,069 Speaker 2: living alongside, almost like a commune, with the nuns, and 627 00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:20,509 Speaker 2: what she owes them is a hymn a day, I 628 00:37:20,549 --> 00:37:22,629 Speaker 2: think that would be lovely. So she comes in and 629 00:37:22,629 --> 00:37:24,669 Speaker 2: there's a little church where they do all their praying 630 00:37:24,709 --> 00:37:29,589 Speaker 2: and stuff. Importantly, him chosen by the nuns, not by you. Katie. Yeah, 631 00:37:29,629 --> 00:37:35,829 Speaker 2: what's the good hymn? My Jesus my Save Yeah love. 632 00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:38,869 Speaker 2: There is none that's a good one. I think there's 633 00:37:38,869 --> 00:37:44,189 Speaker 2: one about is my Shepherd. It's quite deep. I feel 634 00:37:44,189 --> 00:37:48,389 Speaker 2: like that would suit her. Amazing grace, Oh fabulous. And 635 00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:51,589 Speaker 2: learn the lyrics, Katie, because they can see when you're 636 00:37:51,629 --> 00:37:54,989 Speaker 2: checking Google. They don't like it really pulls focus when 637 00:37:55,029 --> 00:37:59,149 Speaker 2: you're on your phone reading lyrics in church. So learn them. 638 00:37:59,349 --> 00:38:02,029 Speaker 2: And I feel like this isn't from the goodness of 639 00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:04,989 Speaker 2: your heart. I just think you don't want to cross nuns. 640 00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:07,189 Speaker 2: I feel like that's something I didn't feel like I 641 00:38:07,229 --> 00:38:10,709 Speaker 2: needed to say, but I wouldn't cross them. Jesse. That's 642 00:38:10,709 --> 00:38:14,429 Speaker 2: all we've got time for today. On cancel if you 643 00:38:14,589 --> 00:38:17,989 Speaker 2: want receipts for this episode, and we'll put some of 644 00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:21,589 Speaker 2: Katie stage. We'll put a little bit of the Swish 645 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:25,389 Speaker 2: Swish film clip on our Instagram at the Twins underscore 646 00:38:25,429 --> 00:38:29,629 Speaker 2: thoughts and just all the receipts from this episode. Canceled 647 00:38:29,709 --> 00:38:32,429 Speaker 2: is produced by Elsa This as with audio editing by 648 00:38:32,469 --> 00:38:35,469 Speaker 2: Tom Lyon. We will see you next week. Bye bye.