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Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 2: Brodney and I'm m Burnham and on the show today,

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Speaker 2: we're doing a brutally honest review of the Spice Girl

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Speaker 2: as an entity, just the concept, just a concept of

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Speaker 2: the spy Spy Girls.

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Speaker 1: And why are we doing this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this doesn't paint you in the best light,

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Speaker 2: So spillers will remember that. Recently in an episode, we

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Speaker 2: were talking about the fact that Victoria Beckham has a

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Speaker 2: new series coming to Netflix. It's a little documentary series

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Speaker 2: really centering on the build up to her latest fashion

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Speaker 2: show in her career. Lovely fine, nice news. We like

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Speaker 2: Victoria Beckham. It should have just been a really quick segment.

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Speaker 2: But as we were talking about the release of this documentary,

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Speaker 2: you let the world in on a very disturbing fact

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Speaker 2: and it derailed the whole episode. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: the first time we've come quite close to a physical fight.

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Speaker 1: I was trolled for.

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Speaker 2: This, yeah, and so you should have been. I don't

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Speaker 2: don't believe.

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Speaker 1: Because I had so. Firstly, I'm gonna say, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: fucking troll me. Put your name on your comments. Do

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Speaker 1: not anonymously message me from a fake account. Put your

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Speaker 1: name on your comment.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, I didn't say I didn't know what the Spice

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Speaker 1: Girls world, you idiot, I said, don't mean to. I

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Speaker 1: said I was never around for the big Spice Girls thing,

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Speaker 1: so I never understood it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but you also didn't know who like the various

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Speaker 2: Spice Girl people like you didn't know who like Emma Bunton, baby.

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Speaker 1: Three out of the five?

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Speaker 2: Oh which three? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham obviously? Melby yeah, and Jerry.

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Speaker 2: You don't know Melcy.

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Speaker 1: Until she came into the office.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Knew of the other two, but I didn't know them.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Yeah? I mean yeah, yeah, it does. Look.

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Speaker 2: Look I understand about not because I mean a lot

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Speaker 2: of this really kicked off in nineteen ninety six. Were

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Speaker 2: you alive in nineteen ninety six?

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Speaker 1: I was coming out of my mum's vagina.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you're busy, a bit busy, had a lot

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Speaker 2: on so you get a little bit of a pass

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Speaker 1: And also I was a floor steps baby, So I

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Speaker 1: was pulled into the world. I didn't even want to

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't the fourths, I would know about the spoils.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if we can.

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Speaker 2: Bring the medical intervention into this.

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Speaker 1: I was pulled into this world. Didn't want to be.

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Speaker 2: Here to deal with the antics of the spics too

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Speaker 2: much spice World movie in Spicers. Okay, so yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't the only spicy world that was happening.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So off the back of that, and again,

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Speaker 2: we had so many listeners message us about this, get

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Speaker 2: upset about this, and so we're going to fix this today.

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Speaker 2: M We're going to fix it, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: go through a brilliant, honest review of the Spice Girl's

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Speaker 1: And I do want to say, like a part from

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Speaker 1: my three trials. Yep, everyone else was quite nice about it.

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Speaker 2: They were just like, hey, you should know about this.

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Speaker 1: They were like, hey, here's some learning material, yeah, which

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Speaker 1: I skimmed. They called you in and they were also like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I also didn't know this. Thank you for saying it

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Speaker 2: No one posted that no one posted you had to

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Speaker 2: was like, feel free to Colm on this publicly and

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Speaker 2: they were like absolutely no, I don't want anyone to

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Speaker 1: That is bizarre to me. All together for two years,

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Speaker 1: so what were the years they were together?

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Speaker 2: So this is how I'm reading history. I'm doing their

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Speaker 2: start date from when Wannabe, which was their first single

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Speaker 2: was released. It was released in nineteen ninety six. And

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Speaker 2: then I'm calling the end of the Spy Skirls when

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Speaker 2: Jerry Halliwell left the band, which was in nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: Far out soide I would have been two years old,

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Speaker 1: but you would have been a kid.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I was a kid. But the Spy

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Speaker 2: Skills were for the kids. Oh before I was in

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Speaker 2: but I knew the Spice Girls because their faces were

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Speaker 2: at school would wear their spic Skirl T shirts on

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not the coens.

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Speaker 1: I think free dressed hey, because you can wear whatever.

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Speaker 2: You want, you free away whatever you want. That makes sense,

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Speaker 2: and like we would all watch The Spy Skills on

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Speaker 2: I got it for Christmas and my mum had a

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Speaker 2: We'd all pick a Spice Girl. That's the thing. They

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Speaker 2: That was the Spice Girls. Oh wow, for adults and

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Speaker 2: That yeah, comparison, This is the first time like girl power,

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Speaker 1: Stuff so cute, So you know who that was for

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Speaker 1: Nicki Webster, Oh okay, Strawberry Kisses. It was Nicky Webster.

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Speaker 1: And then like guys Sebastian and Shannon now was the

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Speaker 2: It was such a homegrowing. Oh my god, Guy.

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Speaker 1: I spent so much money voting for Guy Sebastian Australian items.

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Speaker 2: Well it worked.

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Speaker 1: Parents were so sad.

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Speaker 2: Next time you see him an event, because he's you

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Speaker 2: know who's always at an event is Guys Sebastian and

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Speaker 2: Nicki Webster. I see Nicky Webster at every single event

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Speaker 2: I also once was crying in a musical and this

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Speaker 2: was Nicky Webster looking at me.

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Speaker 2: Every time I walk an event, I see her. She

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Speaker 2: I'm so across that scene.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that was like because I always assumed spice

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Speaker 2: Well back in nineteen ninety six, as I said, the

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Speaker 1: How good is that song?

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Speaker 1: Like it's like hold up at every single wedding.

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Speaker 2: There's so many spic Skirl songs I listen to still

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Speaker 2: of people leaving the band, backlash and that sort of thing,

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Speaker 2: to nineteen ninety four. You have yet to be pulled

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Speaker 1: Don't even think my parents are Dating.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety four in London, many many, many young

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Speaker 1: So it's like can you sing? Can you dance? Are

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Speaker 1: Is it kind of like what they did with Bardo?

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Speaker 2: So the two Melanies, Jerry and Victoria and Michelle Stevenson

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Speaker 2: And she said she didn't like the music, she didn't

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Speaker 2: She's like, it wasn't for me. Michelle Stevenson has given

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Speaker 2: Well, She's like, of course, I regret I'm not a

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Speaker 1: The worst luck and the best luck played out in

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Speaker 2: Emma Bunton getting a phone call like hello, They're like,

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Speaker 2: So she kind of slipped in and Michelle slipped out,

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Speaker 1: Le please Michelle if you're listening, because I know you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so said. Look, it's not too late, Michelle.

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Speaker 1: You could be a podcast host, Michelle. It's really easy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Michelle made the right choch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so it doesn't send them to most women

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Speaker 1: It's like we're leaving Michelle leaving YouTube as well.

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Speaker 2: So they decide that they're gonna get away from Bob

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Speaker 2: This is what Victoria Beckham has written in her autobiography,

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Speaker 1: It sounds like Jerry was on one for God. I'm

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Speaker 2: They're like, go on, I haven't told you the worst

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Speaker 2: that when she ran out with them, she said, I

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Speaker 1: That's entrepreneurial, that is, And that's what that's called. Being

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Speaker 1: This was got it.

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Speaker 2: We've got the Masters and we're physically running. Then they

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Speaker 1: Don't get us all involved in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's good enough for Jerry halliwell, it's enough

433
00:18:22,504 --> 00:18:24,304
Speaker 2: for you. Taylor switch Well needs.

434
00:18:24,144 --> 00:18:26,864
Speaker 1: To do like a school, yeah, school of mastership.

435
00:18:26,984 --> 00:18:28,744
Speaker 2: Yeah. And now you see here is this prim and

436
00:18:28,744 --> 00:18:31,224
Speaker 2: proper rich woman and I'm like, what a legend working

437
00:18:31,264 --> 00:18:33,144
Speaker 2: walking the streets in her white dress and like you

438
00:18:33,424 --> 00:18:33,984
Speaker 2: remember what.

439
00:18:33,944 --> 00:18:36,264
Speaker 1: She wass She's going to have the best stories.

440
00:18:35,864 --> 00:18:38,464
Speaker 2: For her kids. Yeah, you just know it. Yeah, I

441
00:18:38,464 --> 00:18:40,224
Speaker 2: think she's trying to have most of them buried. So

442
00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:44,464
Speaker 2: then so then the women have their masters, but they

443
00:18:44,464 --> 00:18:48,264
Speaker 2: have their management and no money and no prospects and

444
00:18:48,344 --> 00:18:49,504
Speaker 2: no contacts, and.

445
00:18:49,464 --> 00:18:50,824
Speaker 1: They're being pride and prejudice.

446
00:18:51,944 --> 00:18:56,664
Speaker 2: They're unmarriable and they're working from the back of Jerry's

447
00:18:56,664 --> 00:18:59,464
Speaker 2: beat up car because they can't even afford like a studio.

448
00:19:02,904 --> 00:19:05,344
Speaker 1: Like we have nowhere to stay. And then they were

449
00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,184
Speaker 1: all just looking at Jr. And just like get in

450
00:19:07,184 --> 00:19:07,504
Speaker 1: the car.

451
00:19:07,744 --> 00:19:10,144
Speaker 2: It's all just the five of them sleeping in the car.

452
00:19:11,624 --> 00:19:13,304
Speaker 2: And then they started to build a new team and

453
00:19:13,344 --> 00:19:16,344
Speaker 2: they eventually signed with Simon Fuller, who is very very

454
00:19:16,344 --> 00:19:19,024
Speaker 2: he was Annie Lennox's manager at the time. He's a

455
00:19:19,224 --> 00:19:22,144
Speaker 2: very huge name of music, very well known and one

456
00:19:22,224 --> 00:19:23,944
Speaker 2: okay good. Yeah, he's the one who really went on

457
00:19:23,984 --> 00:19:25,784
Speaker 2: to like make the Spice Girls, and he was the

458
00:19:25,784 --> 00:19:29,144
Speaker 2: one who was like met them, saw their potential, listen

459
00:19:29,184 --> 00:19:31,584
Speaker 2: to the stolen masters that Jerry pulled out of her underwear.

460
00:19:32,144 --> 00:19:33,624
Speaker 2: He then was like I'm going to make this happen

461
00:19:33,704 --> 00:19:35,024
Speaker 2: for you guys and get you in the studio to

462
00:19:35,064 --> 00:19:38,904
Speaker 2: record more music. I'm going to introduce you to record labels.

463
00:19:39,304 --> 00:19:43,744
Speaker 2: And this is when they sort of started becoming the

464
00:19:43,784 --> 00:19:45,504
Speaker 2: band that we saw as The Spice Girl.

465
00:19:45,904 --> 00:19:46,824
Speaker 1: But it wasn't all rosy.

466
00:19:46,904 --> 00:19:48,424
Speaker 2: It sounds like they were like all best friends for

467
00:19:48,464 --> 00:19:48,784
Speaker 2: the start.

468
00:19:48,824 --> 00:19:53,544
Speaker 1: They were not oh yeah, okay, I have a theory. Okay,

469
00:19:53,864 --> 00:19:56,184
Speaker 1: was it like split down the middle? Yeah, it was

470
00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:56,944
Speaker 1: two against three.

471
00:19:56,984 --> 00:19:59,344
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hate what I'm about to tell you. It

472
00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:01,664
Speaker 2: was four against one.

473
00:20:02,024 --> 00:20:05,384
Speaker 3: No, oh my god, why.

474
00:20:05,304 --> 00:20:06,344
Speaker 2: Was she left.

475
00:20:07,624 --> 00:20:10,144
Speaker 1: That? We're just like, we don't want.

476
00:20:13,184 --> 00:20:18,224
Speaker 2: The story. I didn't realize how bad it wasn't so

477
00:20:18,264 --> 00:20:21,224
Speaker 2: until I started telling you the story.

478
00:20:21,584 --> 00:20:24,424
Speaker 1: She stole the masters by herself. Well, to be honest,

479
00:20:24,544 --> 00:20:27,544
Speaker 1: i'd basically like put the masters where masters should never

480
00:20:27,584 --> 00:20:30,504
Speaker 1: be put. She let them all sleep in her car,

481
00:20:30,984 --> 00:20:32,544
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what after all of that,

482
00:20:32,824 --> 00:20:33,704
Speaker 1: we just don't like you.

483
00:20:34,024 --> 00:20:36,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, look to be fair, some of them also hated Victoria,

484
00:20:36,744 --> 00:20:39,984
Speaker 2: so in Melby's book, again, I'm getting all this information

485
00:20:40,064 --> 00:20:40,824
Speaker 2: from their books.

486
00:20:40,864 --> 00:20:42,624
Speaker 1: It's while that we have to read all of their

487
00:20:42,664 --> 00:20:44,424
Speaker 1: autobiographies and then piece it together.

488
00:20:44,664 --> 00:20:46,864
Speaker 2: That's what I've done because there's so many rumors about them,

489
00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:49,584
Speaker 2: and there's so many unauthorized Like when I was six,

490
00:20:49,664 --> 00:20:52,224
Speaker 2: I saved up all my pocket money to go to

491
00:20:52,224 --> 00:20:54,504
Speaker 2: the scholastic book fair at school and I bought the

492
00:20:54,784 --> 00:20:58,264
Speaker 2: unauthorized autobiography of the Spice Girls. And let me tell you,

493
00:20:58,304 --> 00:21:02,384
Speaker 2: that thing was four vis I've realized now full of propaganda.

494
00:21:03,664 --> 00:21:04,704
Speaker 2: It was written by the.

495
00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:11,904
Speaker 1: Two guys what are the names, Bob and Jim. The

496
00:21:11,944 --> 00:21:14,704
Speaker 1: whole hography is just like and that's why women suck.

497
00:21:15,144 --> 00:21:16,264
Speaker 2: That's why women should be given.

498
00:21:16,744 --> 00:21:19,424
Speaker 1: They break into your studio and still.

499
00:21:19,224 --> 00:21:23,024
Speaker 2: Watch exactly so. In her book, Melby said that she

500
00:21:23,064 --> 00:21:25,704
Speaker 2: thought Emma was a softy and lovely Everyone likes Emma.

501
00:21:26,024 --> 00:21:27,304
Speaker 2: That's why I've called GDM.

502
00:21:27,304 --> 00:21:29,664
Speaker 1: Sometimes everyone likes softy and lovely.

503
00:21:30,064 --> 00:21:32,264
Speaker 2: Yeah, only on the outside, and once you know get

504
00:21:32,264 --> 00:21:35,664
Speaker 2: to know you, it's less that She's like Victoria, who

505
00:21:35,664 --> 00:21:37,624
Speaker 2: they all called Vicky at the time until she asked

506
00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,344
Speaker 2: them to stop. They thought Vicky was a bit of

507
00:21:39,344 --> 00:21:42,224
Speaker 2: a snob, and they all thought Jerry was a loud mouth.

508
00:21:44,544 --> 00:21:50,264
Speaker 2: In their books, Emma, Victoria and Print in all of

509
00:21:50,264 --> 00:21:53,504
Speaker 2: their books and interviews since Emma, Victoria, and Melsey have

510
00:21:53,624 --> 00:21:57,344
Speaker 2: all called Jerry a complete nuther in like.

511
00:21:57,264 --> 00:21:58,024
Speaker 1: A mean way.

512
00:21:58,144 --> 00:22:00,624
Speaker 2: They're all best friends now, like they became best friends.

513
00:22:00,704 --> 00:22:03,104
Speaker 2: That was just their initial And here's their reasoning because

514
00:22:03,144 --> 00:22:07,304
Speaker 2: she's a redhead. Yes that's why. No, he's their reasoning.

515
00:22:07,584 --> 00:22:09,424
Speaker 2: We thought she was a bit strange because she had

516
00:22:09,464 --> 00:22:13,104
Speaker 2: her hair and bunches and was wearing and yeah.

517
00:22:12,984 --> 00:22:14,384
Speaker 1: You have to tie her up when you're about to

518
00:22:14,424 --> 00:22:17,544
Speaker 1: commit a crime. I'm sorry, you can't have your hair out.

519
00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:21,424
Speaker 1: Imagine convincing Jerry, do you steal the masters, It'll be

520
00:22:21,464 --> 00:22:23,304
Speaker 1: fine for you. She goes to tire her up and

521
00:22:23,304 --> 00:22:28,704
Speaker 1: they're like, ooh, ooh god, I don't think you should

522
00:22:28,704 --> 00:22:30,464
Speaker 1: be doing that. Did you guys see how she tied

523
00:22:30,544 --> 00:22:32,144
Speaker 1: up her hair when she went to steal up music

524
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,104
Speaker 1: back for us. That's crazy.

525
00:22:34,464 --> 00:22:36,824
Speaker 2: I know. She's like literally like.

526
00:22:38,304 --> 00:22:40,104
Speaker 1: An event, like crawling through.

527
00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:42,864
Speaker 2: That's the worst fight.

528
00:22:44,144 --> 00:22:47,024
Speaker 1: Why is always the worst? These women? I've been through

529
00:22:47,064 --> 00:22:50,024
Speaker 1: so much. It's only nineteen ninety six.

530
00:22:50,024 --> 00:22:52,384
Speaker 2: Dude, No, we're still in nineteen ninety five.

531
00:22:53,064 --> 00:22:53,584
Speaker 1: I'm not there.

532
00:22:53,624 --> 00:22:56,784
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got so many years to go. Okay, I

533
00:22:56,784 --> 00:22:58,624
Speaker 2: can't believe they said when they first met her, and

534
00:22:58,664 --> 00:23:00,744
Speaker 2: then she would tire hair and bunches. She would wear

535
00:23:00,744 --> 00:23:03,384
Speaker 2: a pink, fuffy jumper and say, look, look I'm a duck.

536
00:23:04,864 --> 00:23:10,144
Speaker 1: Okay, that's one Jerry, Jerry, I can't. I can't. It's

537
00:23:10,584 --> 00:23:11,464
Speaker 1: keep standing up at.

538
00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:14,304
Speaker 2: You like this, defending her and defending her and defending her.

539
00:23:14,504 --> 00:23:15,304
Speaker 2: And then that happened, and.

540
00:23:15,304 --> 00:23:17,584
Speaker 1: Then that happened. Yeah, it's okay, Jerry, you kind of

541
00:23:17,584 --> 00:23:18,344
Speaker 1: deserve that one.

542
00:23:18,544 --> 00:23:21,224
Speaker 2: But they all became friends really quickly after, right, So

543
00:23:21,344 --> 00:23:24,984
Speaker 2: they had that in a sentence, Look look I'm a duck. Yeah,

544
00:23:25,064 --> 00:23:27,504
Speaker 2: and Jerry has never disputed that. She said that. I

545
00:23:27,544 --> 00:23:28,784
Speaker 2: think she's just trying to have a fun time.

546
00:23:29,144 --> 00:23:30,664
Speaker 1: Well, it would be a pretty bizarre line.

547
00:23:32,744 --> 00:23:34,064
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know what, there's my wife. I'm

548
00:23:34,064 --> 00:23:36,824
Speaker 2: not going to stand it for that's what Melby said.

549
00:23:36,864 --> 00:23:40,264
Speaker 2: She said, Okay, I believe Melby. She was there. Then

550
00:23:40,304 --> 00:23:42,584
Speaker 2: they started bonding because they were all away from their families,

551
00:23:42,584 --> 00:23:46,024
Speaker 2: they had no money, and Victoria Beckham, they were trying

552
00:23:46,024 --> 00:23:48,304
Speaker 2: to talk her out of marrying a very unsuitable man

553
00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:50,504
Speaker 2: at the time. They were just about to become super

554
00:23:50,504 --> 00:23:51,704
Speaker 2: famous David Beckham.

555
00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,064
Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry.

556
00:23:53,624 --> 00:23:56,504
Speaker 2: I was like they hated be No, they love David

557
00:23:57,704 --> 00:23:59,504
Speaker 2: cheat on her. They're like, protect David at all of costs.

558
00:24:00,784 --> 00:24:03,264
Speaker 2: In the very early days of The Spice Girls, you'll

559
00:24:03,304 --> 00:24:05,344
Speaker 2: notice a very interesting thing if you look in the

560
00:24:05,344 --> 00:24:10,704
Speaker 2: credit section is that Victoria is called Victoria Adams Wood

561
00:24:11,224 --> 00:24:14,984
Speaker 2: because her fiance at the time that was his last name,

562
00:24:15,144 --> 00:24:15,904
Speaker 2: Mark Wood.

563
00:24:16,024 --> 00:24:16,384
Speaker 1: Who's that?

564
00:24:16,904 --> 00:24:19,224
Speaker 2: So they had been together for nearly six years. She's

565
00:24:19,264 --> 00:24:22,384
Speaker 2: twenty one at this time. I feel like, brad yeah,

566
00:24:23,144 --> 00:24:25,464
Speaker 2: and I'm kidding, some people can get married twenty one.

567
00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:27,584
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but it's just because she was like, no,

568
00:24:27,624 --> 00:24:29,504
Speaker 2: I'm going to marry this guy and I'm going to

569
00:24:29,584 --> 00:24:31,224
Speaker 2: like use his name on all and they're about to

570
00:24:31,224 --> 00:24:32,584
Speaker 2: make it big, so whatever name.

571
00:24:32,624 --> 00:24:33,784
Speaker 1: They had to be strategic.

572
00:24:33,824 --> 00:24:36,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other girls were like Vicki and she's like,

573
00:24:36,184 --> 00:24:40,384
Speaker 2: don't call me that, Like, okay, Victoria, Victoria, you're not

574
00:24:40,464 --> 00:24:42,624
Speaker 2: even married to this guy. You've been together for a while. Yes,

575
00:24:42,744 --> 00:24:45,984
Speaker 2: he's proposed to you. He proposed to her just after

576
00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:48,304
Speaker 2: the Spy She made it through the Spice Girls auditions.

577
00:24:48,584 --> 00:24:49,784
Speaker 2: I don't want to cast a spose.

578
00:24:49,904 --> 00:24:52,864
Speaker 1: It sounds like a very Melby type of conversation, like

579
00:24:52,944 --> 00:24:53,784
Speaker 1: I can't see her.

580
00:24:53,664 --> 00:24:56,184
Speaker 2: Having so Mark was like he wanted her to like

581
00:24:56,224 --> 00:24:58,184
Speaker 2: kind of focus on his career because he was also

582
00:24:58,184 --> 00:25:00,384
Speaker 2: on the up and up. He installed burglar alarms in

583
00:25:00,424 --> 00:25:04,344
Speaker 2: people's homes. Wait, he was like, I think it should

584
00:25:04,344 --> 00:25:06,304
Speaker 2: be about me. He's like, he's like this a woman

585
00:25:06,384 --> 00:25:06,904
Speaker 2: named Jerk.

586
00:25:06,944 --> 00:25:11,984
Speaker 1: He's breaking and she always has his hair tied up

587
00:25:12,384 --> 00:25:13,424
Speaker 1: exactly in Buncheon.

588
00:25:15,344 --> 00:25:15,904
Speaker 2: So wait.

589
00:25:15,984 --> 00:25:17,544
Speaker 1: So he was up and coming in the.

590
00:25:20,584 --> 00:25:22,104
Speaker 2: And she had just made it into what was going

591
00:25:22,104 --> 00:25:23,704
Speaker 2: to be the Spy Skills, and she was using his

592
00:25:23,784 --> 00:25:25,224
Speaker 2: name as her name because she's like, no, he also

593
00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:26,624
Speaker 2: been to marry him. I said, yes, we've been together

594
00:25:26,624 --> 00:25:28,664
Speaker 2: for so long. And she was really going to like

595
00:25:28,664 --> 00:25:30,984
Speaker 2: put her a lot of her career on hold to

596
00:25:31,024 --> 00:25:32,544
Speaker 2: make sure that she was married to this man. And

597
00:25:32,584 --> 00:25:34,904
Speaker 2: the other Spy Skulls talked her out of it. Do

598
00:25:35,024 --> 00:25:37,024
Speaker 2: not marry this guy, especially right now. We're about to

599
00:25:37,024 --> 00:25:38,584
Speaker 2: go on to world tour. We're about to sell these

600
00:25:38,584 --> 00:25:40,704
Speaker 2: alur about to get on a plane, and so she

601
00:25:40,744 --> 00:25:42,864
Speaker 2: said she broke up with him just as the Spy

602
00:25:42,904 --> 00:25:45,544
Speaker 2: Skulls were starting to take off, saying it was a mistake,

603
00:25:45,624 --> 00:25:47,024
Speaker 2: but she kept the ring because she said it was

604
00:25:47,024 --> 00:25:47,584
Speaker 2: a sick ring.

605
00:25:48,064 --> 00:25:50,784
Speaker 1: Oh that's so rupter. I love that.

606
00:25:51,264 --> 00:25:52,224
Speaker 2: We love Victoria Beckham.

607
00:25:52,304 --> 00:25:52,984
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool.

608
00:25:53,104 --> 00:25:53,304
Speaker 2: Yeah.

609
00:25:53,424 --> 00:25:55,224
Speaker 1: No, they have to keep the bad together. They can

610
00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:58,424
Speaker 1: be Vicki, even though we know you don't like that name.

611
00:25:58,744 --> 00:26:01,824
Speaker 2: You can't leave us with a duck duck girl if

612
00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:04,224
Speaker 2: anything swap And you've got to remember she was the

613
00:26:04,264 --> 00:26:06,864
Speaker 2: highest scorer from the auditions, although they famously didn't let

614
00:26:06,904 --> 00:26:08,944
Speaker 2: her sing on a lot of their biggest songs. So

615
00:26:09,384 --> 00:26:11,024
Speaker 2: do you think they didn't let us because they were

616
00:26:11,104 --> 00:26:13,584
Speaker 2: jealous because she was a highest scorer? Not? Well, the

617
00:26:13,584 --> 00:26:15,264
Speaker 2: thing is when you listen to them all sing like,

618
00:26:15,304 --> 00:26:17,984
Speaker 2: they can all sing quite well. Melcy's definitely got the

619
00:26:17,984 --> 00:26:20,944
Speaker 2: best voice, like far it away, she's Saty Spice, Yes,

620
00:26:20,984 --> 00:26:23,424
Speaker 2: she is Sporty Spices. What a beautiful seguey How they

621
00:26:23,504 --> 00:26:27,624
Speaker 2: got their nicknames. So a big part of why the

622
00:26:27,624 --> 00:26:30,544
Speaker 2: Spice Girls were so successful, apart from the fact that

623
00:26:30,584 --> 00:26:33,024
Speaker 2: they just had banger songs. But that's not always enough.

624
00:26:33,664 --> 00:26:35,704
Speaker 1: That's true, you need to put your life out there.

625
00:26:35,784 --> 00:26:39,184
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But they were just so marketable because they

626
00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:41,784
Speaker 2: came out of the gates so strong with all these personas,

627
00:26:41,904 --> 00:26:44,064
Speaker 2: and everyone could pick which Spice Girl were you? And

628
00:26:44,064 --> 00:26:46,264
Speaker 2: they looked so incredible together, like I said, almost like

629
00:26:46,304 --> 00:26:49,264
Speaker 2: something out of a wild cartoon. They also did more

630
00:26:49,304 --> 00:26:51,424
Speaker 2: marketing in the two years they were together than most

631
00:26:51,504 --> 00:26:54,344
Speaker 2: bands do in decades. They just said yes to pretty

632
00:26:54,384 --> 00:26:56,424
Speaker 2: much every single endorsement deal.

633
00:26:56,704 --> 00:26:59,464
Speaker 1: Which is why it's like so wild when you told

634
00:26:59,504 --> 00:27:02,464
Speaker 1: me that they actually only lasted two years, because I

635
00:27:02,464 --> 00:27:05,704
Speaker 1: remember being a kid and having like getting Total Girl magazine,

636
00:27:05,864 --> 00:27:08,624
Speaker 1: and there was always a which Spice Girl are you quiz?

637
00:27:09,224 --> 00:27:11,024
Speaker 2: It was the biggest I'm just would have been like

638
00:27:11,144 --> 00:27:14,424
Speaker 2: mid two thousands, like friendships were brought together and then

639
00:27:14,584 --> 00:27:16,904
Speaker 2: ended in the school yard over which spy school you were?

640
00:27:17,584 --> 00:27:18,464
Speaker 2: Because you know, if.

641
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:22,504
Speaker 3: You stand baby, yeah, and we know you're posh, yeah yeah, yeah,

642
00:27:22,544 --> 00:27:25,624
Speaker 3: Well I guess I'm Jerry, which was which one did

643
00:27:25,664 --> 00:27:27,944
Speaker 3: everyone want to be at the time, So like sometimes

644
00:27:27,944 --> 00:27:29,704
Speaker 3: people want to be Baby, a lot of people wanted

645
00:27:29,704 --> 00:27:31,704
Speaker 3: to be posh, some people wanted to be Jerry.

646
00:27:32,064 --> 00:27:33,584
Speaker 2: It was also at a time where like sometimes the

647
00:27:33,664 --> 00:27:35,824
Speaker 2: sporty girls weren't as popular as they were now, so

648
00:27:36,064 --> 00:27:38,184
Speaker 2: not everyone wanted to be sporty, and all of the time,

649
00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:40,984
Speaker 2: no one wanted to be scary, which is hard because

650
00:27:40,984 --> 00:27:42,624
Speaker 2: as you get older, like she was like really the

651
00:27:42,624 --> 00:27:45,704
Speaker 2: best one yeah, in terms of like stage presents and everything,

652
00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:46,504
Speaker 2: and even.

653
00:27:46,344 --> 00:27:48,464
Speaker 1: Like her voice, Like I feel like when I listened

654
00:27:48,464 --> 00:27:50,664
Speaker 1: to spy Skirl songs, I could easily pick out which

655
00:27:50,664 --> 00:27:51,464
Speaker 1: one was Melby.

656
00:27:51,824 --> 00:27:54,824
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got a real peace. Yeah, we love her now.

657
00:27:54,864 --> 00:27:57,864
Speaker 2: But so the names were actually given to them by

658
00:27:57,904 --> 00:28:01,064
Speaker 2: a magazine called Top of the Pops, which was a huge,

659
00:28:01,264 --> 00:28:05,024
Speaker 2: huge magazine at the time, and so the editors has

660
00:28:05,024 --> 00:28:08,704
Speaker 2: given like quite a few interviews Michelle.

661
00:28:09,984 --> 00:28:14,224
Speaker 1: Michelle in a burn book and made them even more famous.

662
00:28:14,304 --> 00:28:16,184
Speaker 2: Just like, damn it. I tried to take it down.

663
00:28:16,504 --> 00:28:18,424
Speaker 2: So I got this straight from the BBC because I

664
00:28:18,424 --> 00:28:20,304
Speaker 2: was like, I feel like they will have the correct

665
00:28:20,384 --> 00:28:22,064
Speaker 2: information and I was trying to Again, there's a lot

666
00:28:22,104 --> 00:28:24,184
Speaker 2: of false stories about how the spic Skills got their name,

667
00:28:24,224 --> 00:28:26,184
Speaker 2: but it was from Top of the Pops and the editor,

668
00:28:26,224 --> 00:28:29,064
Speaker 2: Peter Lorraine, has given interviews since about it and he

669
00:28:29,144 --> 00:28:31,384
Speaker 2: said the names just jumped out at us when the

670
00:28:31,424 --> 00:28:33,744
Speaker 2: girls were first starting to get famous, because they had

671
00:28:33,744 --> 00:28:36,344
Speaker 2: they were already dressing in very distinct ways. He said,

672
00:28:36,384 --> 00:28:38,704
Speaker 2: Posh was the first one we thought of because Victoria

673
00:28:38,744 --> 00:28:41,944
Speaker 2: looks pretty sophisticated fair and he goes the rest were

674
00:28:41,944 --> 00:28:45,584
Speaker 2: pretty easy because all their characters were really strong. Because

675
00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:47,424
Speaker 2: we've since kind of realized it's quite a lot of

676
00:28:47,504 --> 00:28:50,904
Speaker 2: racial undertones. pH Yes, he said, we laughed the most

677
00:28:50,944 --> 00:28:53,584
Speaker 2: when we came up with scary. Then he throws a

678
00:28:53,584 --> 00:28:56,264
Speaker 2: stuff in front of the bus. Jennifer Cawthorne, who was

679
00:28:56,304 --> 00:28:58,744
Speaker 2: also from Leeds, which is where Melby is from, came

680
00:28:58,824 --> 00:29:01,024
Speaker 2: up with that one because Melby was so loud and

681
00:29:01,064 --> 00:29:04,024
Speaker 2: had tried to take over our whole photo shoot, which

682
00:29:04,064 --> 00:29:05,984
Speaker 2: also was a thing like Melby was the one that

683
00:29:06,184 --> 00:29:10,264
Speaker 2: spy skills were always notoriously very very hard to interview.

684
00:29:11,024 --> 00:29:13,464
Speaker 2: They gave so much, like all your content with them,

685
00:29:13,704 --> 00:29:16,304
Speaker 2: from what I've heard from all these journalists, was insanely good.

686
00:29:16,344 --> 00:29:17,944
Speaker 2: But you couldn't plan anything they showed it For a

687
00:29:17,944 --> 00:29:20,984
Speaker 2: photo shoot. They would tear the entire room apart, start like,

688
00:29:21,144 --> 00:29:24,464
Speaker 2: chasing the camera men around, making jokes. Live tea with

689
00:29:24,504 --> 00:29:26,624
Speaker 2: them is like insane. They would just say anything, and

690
00:29:26,664 --> 00:29:29,224
Speaker 2: Melby was often the instigator of the big moments. That's

691
00:29:29,224 --> 00:29:30,224
Speaker 2: why they called her scary.

692
00:29:30,864 --> 00:29:33,904
Speaker 1: Oh but also, you can't call the like women of

693
00:29:33,944 --> 00:29:36,064
Speaker 1: color in your group scary Spice.

694
00:29:36,304 --> 00:29:38,424
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because people were like, oh, she's so scary,

695
00:29:38,464 --> 00:29:40,264
Speaker 2: and I was like, they're all doing weird stuff. Jerry's

696
00:29:40,264 --> 00:29:41,544
Speaker 2: over there in a duck jump us and that was

697
00:29:43,584 --> 00:29:45,344
Speaker 2: Jerry's robbing people.

698
00:29:48,064 --> 00:29:48,744
Speaker 1: Her scary bop.

699
00:29:49,024 --> 00:29:52,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say. Victoria Beckham had that icy stare.

700
00:29:52,704 --> 00:29:55,744
Speaker 2: She looked, and she famously never smiled. I was like,

701
00:29:55,744 --> 00:29:58,864
Speaker 2: if anyone's scary, it's her. I'd much rather hang out

702
00:29:58,864 --> 00:30:02,344
Speaker 2: with Melby. But they were their names. And then in

703
00:30:02,424 --> 00:30:04,864
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, when they were sort of coming up

704
00:30:04,944 --> 00:30:06,864
Speaker 2: with like they were starting to take over their branding more,

705
00:30:07,064 --> 00:30:10,824
Speaker 2: they wanted to change their names. They're like personas Melby

706
00:30:11,344 --> 00:30:13,024
Speaker 2: and people laugh at her about this, But now that

707
00:30:13,064 --> 00:30:15,144
Speaker 2: we see the racial undertones, I can kind of see

708
00:30:15,184 --> 00:30:18,264
Speaker 2: her point. Melby wanted to stop being scary Spice, and

709
00:30:18,304 --> 00:30:21,384
Speaker 2: she wanted to be abrupt Spice, which doesn't really roll

710
00:30:21,424 --> 00:30:23,984
Speaker 2: off the tongue in the abrupt abrupt Spice.

711
00:30:24,344 --> 00:30:26,264
Speaker 1: I'm so brought Oh yeah.

712
00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:29,504
Speaker 2: Yeah, Emma wanted to be gets away with murder Spye

713
00:30:29,624 --> 00:30:32,544
Speaker 2: too many words, it's too mustard down. I dis missed

714
00:30:32,544 --> 00:30:34,864
Speaker 2: the point of the whole thing's away would murder And

715
00:30:34,984 --> 00:30:37,984
Speaker 2: Victoria suggests should poss posh half the time.

716
00:30:38,304 --> 00:30:39,704
Speaker 1: Spice also too manyone.

717
00:30:39,784 --> 00:30:43,064
Speaker 2: In private, Jerry thought Melby should be called the Ox.

718
00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:53,304
Speaker 2: Jerry she missed the pointing. Melby wrote this in her book.

719
00:30:53,904 --> 00:30:55,584
Speaker 2: She said, Jerry said I should be called the Ox

720
00:30:55,624 --> 00:30:58,664
Speaker 2: because I could operate perfectly on the most outrageous hangover,

721
00:30:59,104 --> 00:31:02,504
Speaker 2: or even do a full performance effortlessly after several bottles

722
00:31:02,544 --> 00:31:05,344
Speaker 2: of champagne, or while she would be throwing up in

723
00:31:05,384 --> 00:31:05,744
Speaker 2: the loop.

724
00:31:05,904 --> 00:31:06,704
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I.

725
00:31:06,704 --> 00:31:08,304
Speaker 2: Don't know if the ox rolls off the tongue. Well,

726
00:31:08,344 --> 00:31:10,424
Speaker 2: maybe these girls are good at marketing, just not in

727
00:31:10,504 --> 00:31:10,944
Speaker 2: that moment.

728
00:31:11,024 --> 00:31:14,024
Speaker 1: I think Jerry maybe was a bit like, Hey, I

729
00:31:14,104 --> 00:31:16,304
Speaker 1: am sick of being near only animal. I don't want

730
00:31:16,304 --> 00:31:19,464
Speaker 1: to be a duck anymore. Can someone else be another animal?

731
00:31:20,784 --> 00:31:22,584
Speaker 2: Now we're into their first single, could you boy?

732
00:31:23,144 --> 00:31:25,304
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they've already gone through so much.

733
00:31:25,744 --> 00:31:27,344
Speaker 2: They have gone through this thing. There's no such thing

734
00:31:27,384 --> 00:31:30,824
Speaker 2: as an overnight success. Two years later, Wanna Be Cameras

735
00:31:30,864 --> 00:31:34,504
Speaker 2: Out absolute banger over song has absolutely stood the test

736
00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:36,344
Speaker 2: of time, one of the best songs in the world.

737
00:31:36,384 --> 00:31:38,304
Speaker 2: Want to Be I don't even feel like that's going

738
00:31:38,304 --> 00:31:40,744
Speaker 2: out a limb to say that, because we're still singing

739
00:31:40,744 --> 00:31:43,384
Speaker 2: it so much to this day. Everyone still quotes it

740
00:31:43,544 --> 00:31:44,504
Speaker 2: when the record label.

741
00:31:44,744 --> 00:31:48,064
Speaker 1: The lyrics don't even make any sense. That's how it's

742
00:31:48,064 --> 00:31:50,184
Speaker 1: such a good song. Like if going to be my love,

743
00:31:50,224 --> 00:31:51,184
Speaker 1: you have to get with my friend.

744
00:31:51,464 --> 00:31:53,064
Speaker 2: But I think they mean like you have to also

745
00:31:53,104 --> 00:31:54,544
Speaker 2: be friends with my friends.

746
00:31:54,664 --> 00:31:55,824
Speaker 1: You have to hook up with my friends.

747
00:31:55,904 --> 00:31:59,224
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's great too. Yeah. So just a reminder.

748
00:31:59,264 --> 00:32:00,944
Speaker 2: They've stolen this song and brought it over to this

749
00:32:00,984 --> 00:32:01,824
Speaker 2: new recorde.

750
00:32:01,864 --> 00:32:02,864
Speaker 1: That's true. They've done the money.

751
00:32:02,864 --> 00:32:04,224
Speaker 2: They give it to the record label, and the record

752
00:32:04,304 --> 00:32:06,664
Speaker 2: label says we love you guys, we love you as

753
00:32:06,664 --> 00:32:08,624
Speaker 2: a band. They did this stunt where like when they

754
00:32:08,664 --> 00:32:10,584
Speaker 2: were signing to the record label, they sent a half

755
00:32:10,624 --> 00:32:13,704
Speaker 2: full of blob dolls to the record studio and the

756
00:32:13,744 --> 00:32:15,944
Speaker 2: dolls like carded through the studio and then were thrown

757
00:32:15,944 --> 00:32:17,904
Speaker 2: into the river nearby where they floated for days. And

758
00:32:17,904 --> 00:32:19,664
Speaker 2: they were like, got to sign these ladies. They're amazing,

759
00:32:20,384 --> 00:32:22,344
Speaker 2: and they said, we love you guys. We're not releasing

760
00:32:22,384 --> 00:32:24,264
Speaker 2: Wanna Bee. That's a bad song.

761
00:32:24,744 --> 00:32:27,984
Speaker 1: Jerry should put in all that.

762
00:32:30,064 --> 00:32:32,704
Speaker 2: They're like, it's too weird, it doesn't make any sense,

763
00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:35,664
Speaker 2: it's not catchy. They'd already shot the music video. They

764
00:32:35,744 --> 00:32:38,304
Speaker 2: hated the music video, and they also said they had

765
00:32:38,304 --> 00:32:40,704
Speaker 2: already been in touch with BBC Radio, and BBC Radio

766
00:32:40,784 --> 00:32:42,344
Speaker 2: refused to play, and.

767
00:32:42,344 --> 00:32:44,544
Speaker 1: The other four were like, God damn it, Jerry y,

768
00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:46,864
Speaker 1: how dare you?

769
00:32:47,784 --> 00:32:51,104
Speaker 2: And so and a bunch of also TV stations were

770
00:32:51,144 --> 00:32:51,904
Speaker 2: refusing to play it.

771
00:32:51,984 --> 00:32:54,624
Speaker 1: Imagine if we never had Wanna Be, Imagine I don't

772
00:32:54,664 --> 00:32:56,384
Speaker 1: want to live it would be a really sad world.

773
00:32:56,504 --> 00:32:58,664
Speaker 2: I don't even think I'd be here. The whole lives

774
00:32:58,704 --> 00:32:59,264
Speaker 2: would be different.

775
00:32:59,344 --> 00:33:01,624
Speaker 1: Might still be here trying to get pulled out.

776
00:33:02,104 --> 00:33:06,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, bring it back to that. But the girls say

777
00:33:06,384 --> 00:33:08,944
Speaker 2: that they knew better, and they said it's non negotiable.

778
00:33:09,184 --> 00:33:11,304
Speaker 2: Wanna Be is our first single or we walk pretty

779
00:33:11,384 --> 00:33:15,224
Speaker 2: much and the song came out and we've done it before,

780
00:33:16,064 --> 00:33:19,944
Speaker 2: we'll do it again, I mean, I think, and these

781
00:33:19,944 --> 00:33:22,144
Speaker 2: are not empty threats, and we've got nothing to lose

782
00:33:22,144 --> 00:33:23,104
Speaker 2: because we're living out of car.

783
00:33:23,664 --> 00:33:25,904
Speaker 1: We're living out of Jerry's car, who we hate, So

784
00:33:26,864 --> 00:33:27,704
Speaker 1: pick your battles.

785
00:33:29,024 --> 00:33:32,144
Speaker 2: And then in July nineteen ninety six, Wanna Bee was

786
00:33:32,184 --> 00:33:34,544
Speaker 2: released and it spent seven weeks at number one in

787
00:33:34,544 --> 00:33:36,784
Speaker 2: the UK and four weeks number one in the US

788
00:33:36,824 --> 00:33:39,704
Speaker 2: and went on to become a huge global hit across

789
00:33:39,744 --> 00:33:40,144
Speaker 2: the world.

790
00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:42,584
Speaker 1: And they were like, we've told you so, Jerry.

791
00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:44,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we told you exactly.

792
00:33:48,464 --> 00:33:52,024
Speaker 1: Get oh my god, okay, so we have want to

793
00:33:52,064 --> 00:33:52,624
Speaker 1: be yes.

794
00:33:52,904 --> 00:33:55,744
Speaker 2: And so then life gets absolutely crazy for the Spice Girls.

795
00:33:56,024 --> 00:33:59,184
Speaker 2: They go on world tours, they release more music, They

796
00:33:59,424 --> 00:34:02,544
Speaker 2: have this intense fandom around them where people were like,

797
00:34:02,584 --> 00:34:05,624
Speaker 2: we haven't seen this since the Beatles, It is crazy.

798
00:34:05,664 --> 00:34:07,304
Speaker 1: What was like was it like the same level of

799
00:34:07,344 --> 00:34:08,424
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift concept?

800
00:34:08,984 --> 00:34:10,904
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously there's a kind of I don't

801
00:34:10,944 --> 00:34:13,544
Speaker 2: know if it was. It was kind of the level

802
00:34:13,544 --> 00:34:15,184
Speaker 2: of that it would have been too young to be

803
00:34:15,264 --> 00:34:16,944
Speaker 2: able to go, oh no, god, no, I've never seen

804
00:34:16,984 --> 00:34:19,424
Speaker 2: the spy skulls lie and did I do wor yeah?

805
00:34:19,464 --> 00:34:20,304
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh you know.

806
00:34:20,344 --> 00:34:22,424
Speaker 2: They did world tours, like just remember they've only got

807
00:34:22,464 --> 00:34:24,024
Speaker 2: two years to squeeze this in. They did a long

808
00:34:24,024 --> 00:34:25,864
Speaker 2: than two years. They did world tours. I guess they

809
00:34:25,904 --> 00:34:28,184
Speaker 2: would sell out when they would go to events, like

810
00:34:28,224 --> 00:34:31,184
Speaker 2: the streets would be lined with fans trying to like

811
00:34:31,264 --> 00:34:32,864
Speaker 2: break down barriers. So I guess in a way it

812
00:34:32,904 --> 00:34:34,864
Speaker 2: was tailor Sift. It is hard because obviously with Taylor Stift.

813
00:34:34,864 --> 00:34:37,624
Speaker 2: We've got so much documentation of what happens in those

814
00:34:37,624 --> 00:34:40,464
Speaker 2: concerts of fans and like we can see the intensity

815
00:34:40,464 --> 00:34:42,944
Speaker 2: when tickets go on sale. But I guess like it was, Yeah,

816
00:34:42,944 --> 00:34:45,104
Speaker 2: people would like sleep out for days overnight to get

817
00:34:45,104 --> 00:34:48,784
Speaker 2: Spy Skulls tickets. And they just became so so so

818
00:34:49,024 --> 00:34:51,464
Speaker 2: huge that they did become like the biggest band in

819
00:34:51,504 --> 00:34:51,904
Speaker 2: the world.

820
00:34:52,104 --> 00:34:53,384
Speaker 1: That's insane.

821
00:34:53,744 --> 00:34:56,424
Speaker 2: And they thought, we've released all of these hit singles,

822
00:34:56,544 --> 00:34:59,064
Speaker 2: all their albums sell out, all our tours sell out,

823
00:34:59,624 --> 00:35:02,264
Speaker 2: We've got our name on every single product across the world.

824
00:35:02,424 --> 00:35:04,224
Speaker 2: They just went with more is More and they just

825
00:35:04,264 --> 00:35:06,704
Speaker 2: said yes to every single endorsement deal that came along.

826
00:35:06,904 --> 00:35:08,784
Speaker 2: That's why their face was just plast They're like, you know,

827
00:35:08,904 --> 00:35:10,944
Speaker 2: some people are like, oh, what I us the product,

828
00:35:11,224 --> 00:35:13,104
Speaker 2: my integrity, I'm not putting my name on that. They'll

829
00:35:13,104 --> 00:35:15,184
Speaker 2: like put it on everything. The more you see us,

830
00:35:15,224 --> 00:35:17,304
Speaker 2: the better it works for them. WHOA And that's how

831
00:35:17,304 --> 00:35:19,384
Speaker 2: you do it, and that's how they made so much money.

832
00:35:19,424 --> 00:35:21,304
Speaker 2: And then when you're the biggest pop stars in the

833
00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:24,984
Speaker 2: world and all your songs are successful and everyone's dressing

834
00:35:25,104 --> 00:35:28,064
Speaker 2: like you, what do you do next? Like what be your.

835
00:35:27,984 --> 00:35:30,704
Speaker 1: Move to also like keep going to keep.

836
00:35:30,544 --> 00:35:32,904
Speaker 2: The momentum going, Like, what what can you achieve next?

837
00:35:33,224 --> 00:35:35,344
Speaker 1: Oh, have a YouTube channel?

838
00:35:35,624 --> 00:35:38,464
Speaker 2: The correct answer is release a movie which brings us

839
00:35:38,504 --> 00:35:39,944
Speaker 2: to spice up your world.

840
00:35:40,304 --> 00:35:44,584
Speaker 1: No Spye World, Spice World by word the movie the movie, Yeah,

841
00:35:44,584 --> 00:35:46,704
Speaker 1: not spiced up your World, No spice Spice up your

842
00:35:46,744 --> 00:35:48,184
Speaker 1: life is a song spice up your Life.

843
00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:52,544
Speaker 2: The Spice World movie I can only describe as just

844
00:35:52,664 --> 00:35:55,984
Speaker 2: being a fantastic piece of cinema that the world was

845
00:35:56,024 --> 00:35:56,504
Speaker 2: not ready for.

846
00:35:56,944 --> 00:35:58,944
Speaker 1: We're still not. Like, you can't find it anywhere.

847
00:35:59,184 --> 00:36:02,024
Speaker 2: You can't find it anywhere. I thought it was on.

848
00:36:02,104 --> 00:36:04,344
Speaker 1: Prime Video, but I realized it was just Amazon trying

849
00:36:04,384 --> 00:36:05,744
Speaker 1: to sell me a DVD, and you.

850
00:36:05,744 --> 00:36:07,704
Speaker 2: Know what, we need to get that DVD. We'll expense

851
00:36:07,704 --> 00:36:09,544
Speaker 2: it to the company because you need to watch spice wort.

852
00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:12,984
Speaker 2: I think it's like, yeah, that's fine, that's a bargain

853
00:36:13,024 --> 00:36:15,184
Speaker 2: in this world, in this economy, because it's I think

854
00:36:15,224 --> 00:36:17,664
Speaker 2: it's been scrubbed from every channel. I can't find it anywhere.

855
00:36:17,704 --> 00:36:19,584
Speaker 2: Haven't be able to find it for like fifteen years.

856
00:36:19,944 --> 00:36:23,344
Speaker 2: As a kid, I think we're doing this as Jerry Jerry,

857
00:36:24,464 --> 00:36:26,544
Speaker 2: so around like nineteen ninety seven or so they've been

858
00:36:26,624 --> 00:36:30,304
Speaker 2: famous for every year. The girls getting all these offers

859
00:36:30,344 --> 00:36:32,584
Speaker 2: from Hollywood, and one offer is from Disney to do

860
00:36:32,664 --> 00:36:36,384
Speaker 2: a film Disney, and you think, yes, Disney would be great,

861
00:36:36,544 --> 00:36:39,304
Speaker 2: but Disney wanted to Disney fire the Spice Girls, and

862
00:36:39,384 --> 00:36:40,904
Speaker 2: so the story wasn't going to be so much about

863
00:36:40,904 --> 00:36:42,584
Speaker 2: the Spice Girl and to be like high school musical

864
00:36:42,704 --> 00:36:44,424
Speaker 2: as it was going to be about a young single

865
00:36:44,504 --> 00:36:47,384
Speaker 2: mother of one of the girls fighting to form the band.

866
00:36:47,824 --> 00:36:52,864
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's terrible. No, unless mother was Jerry, Like

867
00:36:53,224 --> 00:36:55,384
Speaker 2: she was the only one who was. They went with

868
00:36:55,624 --> 00:36:57,704
Speaker 2: a different writing team. They're basically like, we're not doing

869
00:36:57,824 --> 00:36:59,624
Speaker 2: like a big studio like Disney. We're going to make

870
00:36:59,664 --> 00:37:03,464
Speaker 2: this sort of like the different Again. That is why

871
00:37:03,624 --> 00:37:05,944
Speaker 2: the girl power message really took off, because they lived

872
00:37:05,984 --> 00:37:08,264
Speaker 2: that in every moment of their lives. They were just like,

873
00:37:08,344 --> 00:37:09,664
Speaker 2: we're calling the shots, we're doing it.

874
00:37:09,704 --> 00:37:12,064
Speaker 1: And were they all on the same page in these decisions.

875
00:37:12,184 --> 00:37:14,824
Speaker 2: No, there's things where like you hear them like disagreeing

876
00:37:14,864 --> 00:37:17,064
Speaker 2: on things, and like, ultimately that is what led to

877
00:37:17,104 --> 00:37:19,384
Speaker 2: their demise. But they were all very much on the

878
00:37:19,424 --> 00:37:21,344
Speaker 2: same page that the movie was going to be more

879
00:37:21,544 --> 00:37:24,304
Speaker 2: true to their style. So they got a whole bunch

880
00:37:24,344 --> 00:37:26,424
Speaker 2: of writers in who came up with this story about

881
00:37:27,184 --> 00:37:28,584
Speaker 2: Oh so, how could. I don't seen the movie, but

882
00:37:28,664 --> 00:37:32,224
Speaker 2: it's like they're playing themselves, but it's a fictionalized version

883
00:37:32,344 --> 00:37:35,624
Speaker 2: of themselves where they have reached this huge amount of

884
00:37:35,664 --> 00:37:38,624
Speaker 2: fame and they're building up to doing this big live concert.

885
00:37:39,184 --> 00:37:41,104
Speaker 2: But it has all these like kind of true stories

886
00:37:41,184 --> 00:37:44,744
Speaker 2: interwoven with it, where one of their like best friends

887
00:37:44,824 --> 00:37:46,704
Speaker 2: from before they became famous is like about to have

888
00:37:46,784 --> 00:37:48,864
Speaker 2: a baby and like they're not spending enough time with her.

889
00:37:49,384 --> 00:37:51,344
Speaker 2: Their management's trying to turn them into something they're not.

890
00:37:51,464 --> 00:37:55,064
Speaker 2: They're dealing with these unscrupulous journalists. Elton John makes a cameo.

891
00:37:55,344 --> 00:37:57,544
Speaker 2: They get abducted by aliens at one stage. It's an

892
00:37:57,544 --> 00:38:00,624
Speaker 2: incredible surrealist comedy that no one appreciated at the time.

893
00:38:00,824 --> 00:38:03,424
Speaker 1: Oh no, I love that. So Kada reminds me of

894
00:38:03,544 --> 00:38:06,424
Speaker 1: like the Jonas Brothers when they had their show Jonas Brothers.

895
00:38:06,424 --> 00:38:08,144
Speaker 2: Kind of like that, and they had this tool bus

896
00:38:08,264 --> 00:38:10,024
Speaker 2: on the outside where they live on the bus in

897
00:38:10,064 --> 00:38:10,544
Speaker 2: the movie.

898
00:38:11,184 --> 00:38:13,864
Speaker 1: And upgrade from Joe's car exactly, And it's.

899
00:38:13,744 --> 00:38:17,224
Speaker 2: So incredible because outside this is a normal bus. When

900
00:38:17,264 --> 00:38:19,064
Speaker 2: you get inside, it's like the size of this office,

901
00:38:19,184 --> 00:38:21,504
Speaker 2: and they all have their own areas. The bus that

902
00:38:21,624 --> 00:38:21,784
Speaker 2: is like.

903
00:38:22,424 --> 00:38:24,144
Speaker 1: Harry Potter when they go on that tank and it's

904
00:38:24,224 --> 00:38:25,264
Speaker 1: like massive on the inside.

905
00:38:25,304 --> 00:38:28,184
Speaker 2: It exactly like Harry Potter. Oh my god, the crossover

906
00:38:28,264 --> 00:38:29,104
Speaker 2: we didn't know we needed.

907
00:38:30,224 --> 00:38:31,504
Speaker 1: So could they act well?

908
00:38:31,864 --> 00:38:32,144
Speaker 2: You know what?

909
00:38:32,384 --> 00:38:33,344
Speaker 1: Was that a part of the audition?

910
00:38:33,624 --> 00:38:36,104
Speaker 2: No, they're playing themselves, so they didn't need to. Actually,

911
00:38:36,144 --> 00:38:39,544
Speaker 2: they're playing caricatures of themselves, so they actually act incredibly

912
00:38:39,664 --> 00:38:42,504
Speaker 2: well given the fact that they're just them. Okay, the

913
00:38:42,584 --> 00:38:43,224
Speaker 2: movie comes out.

914
00:38:43,224 --> 00:38:44,144
Speaker 1: I wish we could do that, and.

915
00:38:44,304 --> 00:38:47,024
Speaker 2: Critics will stay tuned infurt the spill the movie, and

916
00:38:47,144 --> 00:38:50,984
Speaker 2: we're also getting the world. Can't imagine were getting copyright

917
00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:55,184
Speaker 2: for that. So the movie comes out and critics who

918
00:38:55,264 --> 00:38:59,064
Speaker 2: ruin everything not to slam my people, absolutely savage. It

919
00:38:59,184 --> 00:39:01,264
Speaker 2: worst thing we've ever seen. How this get made. It's

920
00:39:01,504 --> 00:39:04,864
Speaker 2: terrible for you, they all. If it was for me,

921
00:39:05,064 --> 00:39:07,744
Speaker 2: I love this movie. All the spice Gulls got nominated

922
00:39:07,784 --> 00:39:10,824
Speaker 2: as a joint nomination for the you know the Raspberry

923
00:39:10,824 --> 00:39:14,384
Speaker 2: Awards the Worst Actress of All Time. But the fans

924
00:39:14,464 --> 00:39:17,224
Speaker 2: knew because when the movie came out, it not only

925
00:39:17,344 --> 00:39:19,824
Speaker 2: made back its budget of four million dollars it made

926
00:39:20,544 --> 00:39:22,504
Speaker 2: that's how much movie is made. For four million, it

927
00:39:22,664 --> 00:39:25,184
Speaker 2: made back four million, and then fourteen times over that.

928
00:39:25,944 --> 00:39:29,544
Speaker 2: It's math. I kind of do s because the billion dollars. Yeah,

929
00:39:29,824 --> 00:39:31,624
Speaker 2: because the fans are like, when we're going to watch

930
00:39:31,664 --> 00:39:34,384
Speaker 2: this movie over and over again, and they had made

931
00:39:34,424 --> 00:39:36,064
Speaker 2: it for the fans. So critics were saying it was

932
00:39:36,224 --> 00:39:41,144
Speaker 2: ship and people were like, we love this movie. Oh, watch.

933
00:39:42,864 --> 00:39:44,024
Speaker 1: Just like re enacted for me.

934
00:39:44,184 --> 00:39:46,424
Speaker 2: I actually could, I've seen that movie, so as a kid,

935
00:39:46,464 --> 00:39:48,384
Speaker 2: I would just watch that movie on a loop. And

936
00:39:48,504 --> 00:39:50,184
Speaker 2: then they have to decide where they're going to go

937
00:39:50,224 --> 00:39:51,944
Speaker 2: to their concert or their friend goes into labor and

938
00:39:51,984 --> 00:39:53,704
Speaker 2: she's all alone because her boyfriend leaves her and they

939
00:39:54,144 --> 00:39:56,144
Speaker 2: take her to hospital, and then they're going to get

940
00:39:56,144 --> 00:39:57,464
Speaker 2: to their concept, and will they make it to the

941
00:39:57,544 --> 00:40:00,144
Speaker 2: concert and perform Spicy Fu Life for the first time

942
00:40:00,224 --> 00:40:00,784
Speaker 2: on stage?

943
00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:02,224
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is really stressful.

944
00:40:02,264 --> 00:40:06,944
Speaker 2: It's such a thing. And they had so many huge

945
00:40:06,984 --> 00:40:10,104
Speaker 2: cultural moments in the two years they were together, which

946
00:40:10,104 --> 00:40:11,664
Speaker 2: I think is why they've kind of stood the test

947
00:40:11,744 --> 00:40:14,224
Speaker 2: of time. If you could think of like the most

948
00:40:14,464 --> 00:40:16,184
Speaker 2: iconic Spy Skulls outfit. What would that be?

949
00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:21,504
Speaker 1: I think it's Jerry. Yeah, it's a Union Jack. Yes,

950
00:40:22,144 --> 00:40:24,464
Speaker 1: the tight dress Union Jack, which is quite hot.

951
00:40:24,864 --> 00:40:27,744
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred. So that is from the nineteen ninety

952
00:40:27,744 --> 00:40:31,304
Speaker 2: seven BRIT Awards. And again I feel this whole podcast

953
00:40:31,384 --> 00:40:33,784
Speaker 2: is coming from us defending Jerry. But they all had

954
00:40:33,784 --> 00:40:36,064
Speaker 2: their outfits of them sorted for prages and I only

955
00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:39,224
Speaker 2: know that because that's like the classic Halloween costume. Yeah.

956
00:40:39,424 --> 00:40:41,344
Speaker 2: Well it became this kind of defining thing of the

957
00:40:41,384 --> 00:40:44,744
Speaker 2: Spy Skulls and for pop music in general at that time. Yeah.

958
00:40:44,784 --> 00:40:46,864
Speaker 2: So they all had their outfits sorted for the BRIT Awards,

959
00:40:47,024 --> 00:40:48,984
Speaker 2: which is like the Grammys in the UK. It's like

960
00:40:49,024 --> 00:40:51,424
Speaker 2: the biggest deal. And Jerry was supposed to be wearing

961
00:40:51,424 --> 00:40:54,104
Speaker 2: a very simple black dress for their performance and for

962
00:40:54,224 --> 00:40:57,344
Speaker 2: them to go on stage two nights before. She calls

963
00:40:57,424 --> 00:41:00,224
Speaker 2: up her stylist Emma and says, I don't want to

964
00:41:00,264 --> 00:41:03,024
Speaker 2: wear that dress. I've got a much better idea. Oh

965
00:41:03,264 --> 00:41:06,184
Speaker 2: and then she says, I'm going over to my sister's

966
00:41:06,224 --> 00:41:09,584
Speaker 2: house because she just got some really good Union Jack

967
00:41:09,704 --> 00:41:11,984
Speaker 2: teetowels that she bought it like a little opshop for

968
00:41:12,064 --> 00:41:14,224
Speaker 2: like a dollar or something, and I'm going to turn

969
00:41:14,424 --> 00:41:16,664
Speaker 2: one of those tea tails into a dress for the

970
00:41:16,704 --> 00:41:21,664
Speaker 2: brit Awards. One t tawel are one detail, details are small, yeah,

971
00:41:21,704 --> 00:41:23,384
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and that's why the dresses are mini. And

972
00:41:23,464 --> 00:41:26,304
Speaker 2: her styla said, this is a quote from her please please,

973
00:41:26,504 --> 00:41:29,584
Speaker 2: please don't do that. Why, well, you've got to think,

974
00:41:29,624 --> 00:41:31,824
Speaker 2: this is the first year that the Spice Girls have

975
00:41:31,984 --> 00:41:34,144
Speaker 2: been famous. They're the biggest stars in the world. This

976
00:41:34,224 --> 00:41:35,864
Speaker 2: is one of the biggest music events in the world,

977
00:41:36,344 --> 00:41:38,344
Speaker 2: and they are going out on stage and it's a

978
00:41:38,424 --> 00:41:40,344
Speaker 2: huge night for them, and these pictures are going to

979
00:41:40,424 --> 00:41:42,904
Speaker 2: be like a defining moment for them. And this stylist

980
00:41:42,944 --> 00:41:45,584
Speaker 2: has been working for weeks to outfit them with all

981
00:41:45,584 --> 00:41:47,984
Speaker 2: their perfect looks and their looks are so important. And

982
00:41:48,064 --> 00:41:49,424
Speaker 2: then Jerry's like, I'm going to go get a te

983
00:41:49,544 --> 00:41:54,464
Speaker 2: tawel Jerry. But it worked out because she was able

984
00:41:54,544 --> 00:41:58,024
Speaker 2: to fashion the teatowel into like a micro micro mini dress,

985
00:41:58,504 --> 00:42:03,424
Speaker 2: wore it out on stage and it just went absolutely gangbusters.

986
00:42:03,544 --> 00:42:04,904
Speaker 2: It was like when I tell you, the stresses on

987
00:42:04,944 --> 00:42:08,824
Speaker 2: the front page of every single newspaper across the like

988
00:42:08,904 --> 00:42:11,624
Speaker 2: a good way. Yeah, we all know some people are like,

989
00:42:11,664 --> 00:42:13,944
Speaker 2: she's being scandalous, how dare she put the flag on?

990
00:42:14,064 --> 00:42:15,824
Speaker 2: Why so short? And on people just like this is

991
00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,224
Speaker 2: the hottest and most incredible thing we've ever seen. Yeah,

992
00:42:18,264 --> 00:42:20,424
Speaker 2: it was insane and it made her the standout of

993
00:42:20,464 --> 00:42:23,184
Speaker 2: the night, which in a group of like five beautiful

994
00:42:23,184 --> 00:42:25,224
Speaker 2: women with these incredible personalities is hard to do.

995
00:42:25,664 --> 00:42:28,144
Speaker 1: But it was all about Jerry, which is so interesting,

996
00:42:28,264 --> 00:42:30,464
Speaker 1: especially from a stylist point of view, because I feel

997
00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:33,824
Speaker 1: like now we know the amount of work and thought

998
00:42:33,944 --> 00:42:36,904
Speaker 1: that goes into styling those outfits, especially for those big

999
00:42:37,904 --> 00:42:40,824
Speaker 1: award shows. Like I've seen interviews of stylists who like

1000
00:42:40,904 --> 00:42:44,064
Speaker 1: style little mix and like how they all have to

1001
00:42:44,144 --> 00:42:46,744
Speaker 1: look individual, but they all have to look cohesive. I mean,

1002
00:42:46,784 --> 00:42:48,104
Speaker 1: if you speak to me of freedom and she has

1003
00:42:48,144 --> 00:42:49,544
Speaker 1: a big thing about how we all have to look

1004
00:42:49,584 --> 00:42:51,544
Speaker 1: the same on stage, don't. She makes Folly and Jesse

1005
00:42:51,704 --> 00:42:54,584
Speaker 1: dress like her. But it's like very specific for stylists

1006
00:42:54,624 --> 00:42:56,984
Speaker 1: that they have to also show their work.

1007
00:42:57,144 --> 00:43:00,064
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what they're doing exactly. This stylist Emma was like,

1008
00:43:00,184 --> 00:43:02,544
Speaker 2: this is my career on the line, yeah, and the

1009
00:43:02,624 --> 00:43:04,704
Speaker 2: last minute you're tearing up the plan. But it ended

1010
00:43:04,784 --> 00:43:07,184
Speaker 2: up working in such an incredible way. And then it

1011
00:43:07,264 --> 00:43:09,264
Speaker 2: was only a year later when Jerry gave the dress

1012
00:43:09,344 --> 00:43:12,184
Speaker 2: away for action and for charity for breast cancer charity.

1013
00:43:12,304 --> 00:43:14,264
Speaker 2: She gave it away, yeah, because she was like, let's

1014
00:43:14,264 --> 00:43:16,704
Speaker 2: auction this off and make some money for breast cancer charity.

1015
00:43:17,024 --> 00:43:19,224
Speaker 1: And so it was auctioned. She is the best one.

1016
00:43:19,864 --> 00:43:21,424
Speaker 2: It's kind of you know, they're all great. I feel

1017
00:43:21,464 --> 00:43:22,904
Speaker 2: bad like I've done disservice to all of them.

1018
00:43:23,224 --> 00:43:24,104
Speaker 1: She's so cool.

1019
00:43:24,344 --> 00:43:26,824
Speaker 2: They auctioned it off, and then at the time it

1020
00:43:27,064 --> 00:43:30,704
Speaker 2: was the most expensive item of popstar clothing ever sold

1021
00:43:30,744 --> 00:43:35,064
Speaker 2: at auction. It went for forty one thousand dollars, which

1022
00:43:35,104 --> 00:43:36,624
Speaker 2: at the time, which at the time was a lot

1023
00:43:36,664 --> 00:43:38,544
Speaker 2: of money. Oh my god, you'd been like you to

1024
00:43:38,584 --> 00:43:41,184
Speaker 2: get out of my arms. Yeah, And it remained the

1025
00:43:41,264 --> 00:43:45,664
Speaker 2: most expensive piece of popstar memorabilia ever sold until Michael

1026
00:43:45,864 --> 00:43:48,064
Speaker 2: Jackson sold his Sequence Glove in two thousand and nine.

1027
00:43:48,104 --> 00:43:51,424
Speaker 2: But until then she really held WHOA. And now I

1028
00:43:51,504 --> 00:43:54,144
Speaker 2: have to bring you to a really traumatizing time in

1029
00:43:54,264 --> 00:43:57,784
Speaker 2: history that I remember so vividly. Where I was this

1030
00:43:57,984 --> 00:44:01,184
Speaker 2: day when I heard this news. It's nineteen ninety eight,

1031
00:44:02,064 --> 00:44:05,504
Speaker 2: and the world is dealt a devastating blow because Jerry

1032
00:44:05,544 --> 00:44:09,624
Speaker 2: Halliwell announces she is leaving the Spies Girls. Oh my god.

1033
00:44:10,024 --> 00:44:14,264
Speaker 2: They are halfway through the Spice World World tour. Halfway

1034
00:44:14,984 --> 00:44:22,104
Speaker 2: it's Melby's birthday. Like, who's a duck now, bitch, Like

1035
00:44:22,224 --> 00:44:24,864
Speaker 2: I've had it and guess what my hair is that

1036
00:44:24,984 --> 00:44:26,784
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. I'm a duck who's going to

1037
00:44:26,824 --> 00:44:30,504
Speaker 2: swim away? So Jerry Halliwell quits the Spice Girls.

1038
00:44:30,624 --> 00:44:32,104
Speaker 1: Oh on Melby's birthday.

1039
00:44:33,144 --> 00:44:35,944
Speaker 2: At the time, she said she was suffering from exhaustion.

1040
00:44:36,784 --> 00:44:37,904
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she's doing everything.

1041
00:44:38,624 --> 00:44:39,584
Speaker 2: She's like literally.

1042
00:44:39,384 --> 00:44:42,984
Speaker 1: Climbing, robbing their bosses. She's like hosting them all.

1043
00:44:42,904 --> 00:44:45,424
Speaker 2: In their car. Yeah, she's wearing a dressman of a

1044
00:44:45,464 --> 00:44:48,224
Speaker 2: teatowel to get them more headlines. She's doing the most.

1045
00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,944
Speaker 2: She's also like they all made headlines for different reasons.

1046
00:44:51,024 --> 00:44:53,224
Speaker 2: But like as again, like Melby would be the one

1047
00:44:53,344 --> 00:44:55,864
Speaker 2: they went to like events and would like jump into

1048
00:44:55,904 --> 00:44:58,104
Speaker 2: the crowd and do crazy stuff. But Jerry is the

1049
00:44:58,184 --> 00:45:01,304
Speaker 2: one who very famously at an event, walked up behind

1050
00:45:01,384 --> 00:45:04,064
Speaker 2: Prince Charles, who was a massive Spy Girls fan, as

1051
00:45:04,504 --> 00:45:07,824
Speaker 2: was Prince William. Prince William, the story goes and he

1052
00:45:07,864 --> 00:45:09,784
Speaker 2: has confirmed this when he found out the Spice Girls,

1053
00:45:09,784 --> 00:45:11,944
Speaker 2: he went to his and ripped all his posters down

1054
00:45:12,024 --> 00:45:14,704
Speaker 2: and put posters up of Emma Bunton, what's you? Oh

1055
00:45:14,744 --> 00:45:18,584
Speaker 2: my god? William And at an event Jerry had heard

1056
00:45:18,624 --> 00:45:27,304
Speaker 2: that they liked them, Michelle and she walked up behind

1057
00:45:27,344 --> 00:45:29,264
Speaker 2: Prince Charles at the time he was Prince Charles and

1058
00:45:29,464 --> 00:45:32,544
Speaker 2: pinched his bottom. On TV. Wait that's her own words.

1059
00:45:32,584 --> 00:45:36,664
Speaker 2: I'm using who did that? Jerry? Jerry? And it became

1060
00:45:36,824 --> 00:45:40,904
Speaker 2: this like huge like worldwide sensation. Yeah, it's on TV.

1061
00:45:41,104 --> 00:45:45,264
Speaker 2: I'll find the clip. What did he do? He like

1062
00:45:45,824 --> 00:45:48,624
Speaker 2: nights around and other and after they were I can't

1063
00:45:48,624 --> 00:45:50,264
Speaker 2: tell you how much of Spicycles could do whatever they

1064
00:45:50,264 --> 00:45:52,144
Speaker 2: want at the time. They were so powerful. And they

1065
00:45:52,224 --> 00:45:54,184
Speaker 2: also did like a lot of charity stuff with the

1066
00:45:54,264 --> 00:45:55,784
Speaker 2: Royal family over the years, and so they were in

1067
00:45:55,944 --> 00:45:58,904
Speaker 2: with the royal family. That's why, like Victoria's like always

1068
00:45:58,904 --> 00:46:00,864
Speaker 2: at the royal weddings and whatnot, because they were like

1069
00:46:01,024 --> 00:46:04,664
Speaker 2: in the in the family. And afterwards Jerry was asked

1070
00:46:04,664 --> 00:46:06,144
Speaker 2: about it. They were like, why would you do that

1071
00:46:06,344 --> 00:46:09,344
Speaker 2: to Prince Charles? Why would you pinch his behind? And

1072
00:46:09,464 --> 00:46:10,864
Speaker 2: she was like, oh, I pinch every Why is he

1073
00:46:10,864 --> 00:46:12,144
Speaker 2: any different, I'll do what I want.

1074
00:46:13,504 --> 00:46:14,224
Speaker 1: She's so cool.

1075
00:46:14,384 --> 00:46:18,544
Speaker 2: So later on her autobiography, Jerry said that she didn't

1076
00:46:18,624 --> 00:46:23,344
Speaker 2: leave because of exhaustion. Oh wait, so we thought she

1077
00:46:23,424 --> 00:46:26,584
Speaker 2: left at the time. She said that she left because

1078
00:46:26,584 --> 00:46:29,344
Speaker 2: of exhaustion, but she lied. Yes, And I was in

1079
00:46:29,384 --> 00:46:31,464
Speaker 2: primary school at the time. I mean people crying in

1080
00:46:31,544 --> 00:46:33,384
Speaker 2: the playground, and like some people went to the office

1081
00:46:33,464 --> 00:46:35,544
Speaker 2: to like go into the sick bay, like call their parents.

1082
00:46:36,104 --> 00:46:39,264
Speaker 2: It was worldwide news coverage. Hotlines were set up to

1083
00:46:39,344 --> 00:46:42,104
Speaker 2: like counsel people who were like really upset by the

1084
00:46:42,224 --> 00:46:45,464
Speaker 2: demids of the spy girdlers. People took personal days off work,

1085
00:46:45,544 --> 00:46:48,064
Speaker 2: like grown adults across the world took personal days. People

1086
00:46:48,104 --> 00:46:52,184
Speaker 2: were so upset about this. And later Jerry revealed that

1087
00:46:52,344 --> 00:46:54,224
Speaker 2: the real reason she left the band, and this is

1088
00:46:54,264 --> 00:46:57,064
Speaker 2: from her book if Only she said, the real reason

1089
00:46:57,104 --> 00:46:59,384
Speaker 2: she left the band is that she was frustrated that

1090
00:46:59,504 --> 00:47:03,064
Speaker 2: she had been prevented from giving a TV interview about

1091
00:47:03,144 --> 00:47:07,344
Speaker 2: surviving breast cancer in her teens. That's her story. She said,

1092
00:47:07,824 --> 00:47:10,904
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. This was about saving life. I

1093
00:47:10,984 --> 00:47:13,024
Speaker 2: knew that it was over with the band and Ginger

1094
00:47:13,064 --> 00:47:15,864
Speaker 2: Spice was no more. Oh my god, what a legend.

1095
00:47:16,024 --> 00:47:19,704
Speaker 2: I actually support that. Yeah, And well, the thing is,

1096
00:47:19,784 --> 00:47:22,064
Speaker 2: it's still a lot of back and forth over something else,

1097
00:47:22,144 --> 00:47:24,504
Speaker 2: Like she was obviously saying, that's obviously that's a horrific

1098
00:47:24,584 --> 00:47:27,584
Speaker 2: thing to happen. But she has also since said that

1099
00:47:27,664 --> 00:47:30,944
Speaker 2: there was more stuff brewing behind the scenes. They were

1100
00:47:30,984 --> 00:47:33,664
Speaker 2: in this wild pressure cooker and this is depicted in

1101
00:47:33,704 --> 00:47:36,744
Speaker 2: the Spice Old the movie. They're together so much, the fame,

1102
00:47:36,944 --> 00:47:39,824
Speaker 2: the pressure. They had a lot of fights and this

1103
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:43,504
Speaker 2: one just blew up in a huge way. So Emma

1104
00:47:43,584 --> 00:47:45,544
Speaker 2: Bunten later said that they'd done a lot of shows

1105
00:47:45,584 --> 00:47:48,024
Speaker 2: through Europe and they were quite nervous about going to

1106
00:47:48,584 --> 00:47:50,824
Speaker 2: Tour America because that was their big market that they

1107
00:47:50,864 --> 00:47:52,864
Speaker 2: were trying to sell out all these tours, and she

1108
00:47:52,944 --> 00:47:54,464
Speaker 2: said it just felt like a kick in the teeth

1109
00:47:54,504 --> 00:47:57,544
Speaker 2: that Jerry left us in that moment. Mel Se said

1110
00:47:57,544 --> 00:47:59,544
Speaker 2: at the time, missing Jerry is like missing your mum.

1111
00:47:59,624 --> 00:48:01,784
Speaker 2: You miss her, but not the nagging. Well, you could

1112
00:48:01,784 --> 00:48:03,864
Speaker 2: have been a mid night at to her, Victoria said,

1113
00:48:04,264 --> 00:48:07,064
Speaker 2: Victoria's so funny. Victoria said she was sad, but there

1114
00:48:07,104 --> 00:48:09,384
Speaker 2: was one big plus. For the first time ever, I

1115
00:48:09,464 --> 00:48:14,344
Speaker 2: got to sing on one of because she famously doesn't

1116
00:48:14,384 --> 00:48:16,224
Speaker 2: get to sing. She's in that cry going like this,

1117
00:48:16,784 --> 00:48:19,304
Speaker 2: and Jerry has all the singing bits, so they had

1118
00:48:19,344 --> 00:48:20,584
Speaker 2: to keep going with this all.

1119
00:48:20,584 --> 00:48:24,184
Speaker 1: Like crying, like like crying over Melby's cake because it's

1120
00:48:24,184 --> 00:48:27,504
Speaker 1: her birth Yeah. Yeah, and then Victoria's like, so with

1121
00:48:27,664 --> 00:48:30,784
Speaker 1: the songs, he's gonna be getting Jerry's past.

1122
00:48:30,864 --> 00:48:35,584
Speaker 2: She's like, yes, finally my moment. So they said relationships

1123
00:48:35,624 --> 00:48:38,704
Speaker 2: were very strained for many many years. They obviously have

1124
00:48:38,824 --> 00:48:40,784
Speaker 2: made up since then. They got back together for that

1125
00:48:40,824 --> 00:48:45,064
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen reunion tour. The other band members minus Victoria

1126
00:48:45,104 --> 00:48:46,864
Speaker 2: have got back together for tours since then.

1127
00:48:46,944 --> 00:48:48,784
Speaker 1: Yeah, Victoria don't do reunions.

1128
00:48:49,104 --> 00:48:51,304
Speaker 2: She doesn't do anymore. She'll hang out with them. She's

1129
00:48:51,344 --> 00:48:52,784
Speaker 2: the one actually who hangs out with a lot of

1130
00:48:52,824 --> 00:48:55,104
Speaker 2: different She will go to their events. She's the godmother

1131
00:48:55,264 --> 00:48:57,744
Speaker 2: of Jerry Halliwell's daughter. Like, they're all very close. She

1132
00:48:57,744 --> 00:48:58,784
Speaker 2: doesn't get on stage with them.

1133
00:48:58,824 --> 00:49:01,864
Speaker 1: The only time I saw them all together was at

1134
00:49:01,944 --> 00:49:05,224
Speaker 1: her birthday, and I think it was like from David

1135
00:49:05,264 --> 00:49:06,064
Speaker 1: Beckham's five.

1136
00:49:05,944 --> 00:49:08,144
Speaker 2: Yeah he was Yeah, yeah, they all hang out together

1137
00:49:08,224 --> 00:49:10,184
Speaker 2: now because also Jerry has since said that she's really

1138
00:49:10,344 --> 00:49:13,024
Speaker 2: sorry she left the band on Nobody's birthday. She said,

1139
00:49:13,064 --> 00:49:15,144
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I left. I was just being a brat

1140
00:49:15,744 --> 00:49:17,744
Speaker 2: and it's so nice down to be back with the

1141
00:49:17,824 --> 00:49:18,584
Speaker 2: girls that I love.

1142
00:49:19,264 --> 00:49:20,184
Speaker 1: They're so cool.

1143
00:49:20,824 --> 00:49:23,704
Speaker 2: The four spy Skirls stayed together until the two thousand.

1144
00:49:23,864 --> 00:49:27,024
Speaker 2: They released more music, but it just was never the same.

1145
00:49:27,144 --> 00:49:29,264
Speaker 1: So when it happened with all girls groups, like when

1146
00:49:29,424 --> 00:49:33,064
Speaker 1: Jesse left Little Mix, they stayed together, but it wasn't

1147
00:49:33,104 --> 00:49:34,984
Speaker 1: the same. And then I think it got really bad

1148
00:49:35,024 --> 00:49:38,384
Speaker 1: because everyone just hated Jesse so so much. Like it

1149
00:49:38,424 --> 00:49:40,384
Speaker 1: went in like the opposite way where everyone just was

1150
00:49:40,464 --> 00:49:43,744
Speaker 1: so angry. Yeah, and then like it happened to Fifth Harmony,

1151
00:49:44,344 --> 00:49:46,544
Speaker 1: also the same thing. Everyone's just so angry. Like, I

1152
00:49:46,704 --> 00:49:48,064
Speaker 1: just think it's a bad formula.

1153
00:49:48,424 --> 00:49:50,424
Speaker 2: It's hard once you get so much fame as a

1154
00:49:50,424 --> 00:49:52,984
Speaker 2: group and people love you together, it's hard to keep

1155
00:49:53,064 --> 00:49:55,264
Speaker 2: recreating that magic when one of you was gone, because

1156
00:49:55,304 --> 00:49:57,304
Speaker 2: the magic was between all of them. They obviously wanted

1157
00:49:57,344 --> 00:49:59,864
Speaker 2: to be successful, but none of their music ever reached

1158
00:49:59,864 --> 00:50:02,304
Speaker 2: the heights of what The Spy Skirls did at their

1159
00:50:02,344 --> 00:50:05,264
Speaker 2: time of like releasing their first album. So I always

1160
00:50:05,264 --> 00:50:07,064
Speaker 2: think the Spy Skulls went from nineteen ninety six to

1161
00:50:07,144 --> 00:50:10,024
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, because I'm calling it after Jerry left

1162
00:50:10,064 --> 00:50:13,904
Speaker 2: the band. But again, they've reunited since then. They're all friends,

1163
00:50:13,904 --> 00:50:15,304
Speaker 2: they are all successful now, and.

1164
00:50:15,344 --> 00:50:16,864
Speaker 1: Maybe they should get back together and I'll do like

1165
00:50:16,904 --> 00:50:20,464
Speaker 1: a hologram thing like abba. Maybe I like that because

1166
00:50:20,464 --> 00:50:21,864
Speaker 1: I want to go to a Spy Skills concert.

1167
00:50:22,024 --> 00:50:24,584
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't. They they reformed and I

1168
00:50:24,664 --> 00:50:26,584
Speaker 2: did it to see them, Like that's the one thing

1169
00:50:26,664 --> 00:50:27,904
Speaker 2: in my life. I would love to go to a

1170
00:50:27,944 --> 00:50:30,304
Speaker 2: spic Skull's concept. I don't know if it's gonna happen.

1171
00:50:30,384 --> 00:50:33,024
Speaker 2: Position Victoria says she won't and also Jerry won't do

1172
00:50:33,104 --> 00:50:35,264
Speaker 2: that now. Oh but maybe if we talk to them, maybe,

1173
00:50:35,264 --> 00:50:36,184
Speaker 2: if we talk to maybe.

1174
00:50:36,064 --> 00:50:37,864
Speaker 1: On Jerry, I know, I know you'll do anything.

1175
00:50:38,824 --> 00:50:41,744
Speaker 2: So that is a brutly honest review. That is why

1176
00:50:42,224 --> 00:50:43,864
Speaker 2: Skills history. What are your thoughts now?

1177
00:50:43,984 --> 00:50:47,504
Speaker 1: This is crazy, Like it's actually crazy that, like these

1178
00:50:47,544 --> 00:50:48,184
Speaker 1: women did.

1179
00:50:48,184 --> 00:50:50,584
Speaker 2: All of that in two What does the Tippy I

1180
00:50:50,664 --> 00:50:53,064
Speaker 2: spoke do? I could have done a twelve part series

1181
00:50:53,144 --> 00:50:55,424
Speaker 2: on the whole situation. I had to cut out a lot.

1182
00:50:55,464 --> 00:50:57,544
Speaker 1: I think we need to do. We needed to find

1183
00:50:57,704 --> 00:51:00,424
Speaker 1: the like even if it's by illegal means we'll do

1184
00:51:00,504 --> 00:51:01,944
Speaker 1: a Jerry. We'll find the.

1185
00:51:02,224 --> 00:51:04,944
Speaker 2: Anyone has the Spice World movie and you can set

1186
00:51:04,984 --> 00:51:07,624
Speaker 2: we'll pay postage. Yeah, we'll send us the DVD and

1187
00:51:07,664 --> 00:51:09,264
Speaker 2: then we will do a Brillian honestory of the movie,

1188
00:51:09,304 --> 00:51:10,824
Speaker 2: which will be the funniest thing we've ever done.

1189
00:51:10,864 --> 00:51:11,304
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1190
00:51:11,504 --> 00:51:14,984
Speaker 2: Please. So anyway, Victoria Beckham's Netflix special about her fashion

1191
00:51:15,024 --> 00:51:15,504
Speaker 2: shows coming on.

1192
00:51:17,504 --> 00:51:18,464
Speaker 1: Is Jerry going to be there?

1193
00:51:19,544 --> 00:51:22,184
Speaker 2: Jerry doth knows goes to her shows. Yes, So that's it.

1194
00:51:22,784 --> 00:51:25,984
Speaker 2: Girl power, girl power, this girl group of all time.

1195
00:51:26,584 --> 00:51:28,784
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the spill today.

1196
00:51:28,864 --> 00:51:30,704
Speaker 1: We will be back on Monday morning with all the

1197
00:51:30,784 --> 00:51:33,464
Speaker 1: Easter eggs that have come out from Taylor Swift's album.

1198
00:51:33,544 --> 00:51:35,784
Speaker 1: Make sure you tune into that. Thank you so much.

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00:51:35,984 --> 00:51:37,104
Speaker 1: We will see you next week.

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00:51:37,224 --> 00:51:37,904
Speaker 2: Bye bye,