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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mamma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 1: news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 2: Start from when you first wait about having braincat No,

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Speaker 3: Ever lie about that.

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Speaker 1: Netflix's newest series, Apple Cider Vinegar, has everyone talking. But

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Speaker 1: how much of this shocking Australian.

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Speaker 2: Story is actually true?

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Speaker 1: Before we dive into Australia's biggest wellness scam, here's Clemurphy

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Speaker 1: with the latest from the Quicki newsroom for Thursday February twenty.

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Speaker 3: ASYO boss Mike Burgess is warning there's a rising tide

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Speaker 3: of Australian children being radicalized online, with AI fueled algorithms

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Speaker 3: making it easier than ever to find extremist material. Burgess

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Speaker 3: has called on large tech companies to work with authorities

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Speaker 3: and act responsibly by stopping harmful algorithms, saying I hope

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Speaker 3: they want that for their child. Of the five terror

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Speaker 3: plots ASIO disrupted in twenty twenty four, almost all of

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Speaker 3: them involved miners, mister Burgess saying that radicalized miners can

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Speaker 3: pose the same credible terrorist threat as adults. Exacerbated by

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Speaker 3: the impact of social media, mental health and the spread

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Speaker 3: of misinformation and conspiracy theories, Azio also intervened to stop

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Speaker 3: foreign agents luring Australians overseas where they plan to either

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Speaker 3: injure or kill them, saying the plan to arrange an

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Speaker 3: accident was foiled when the intelligence agency helped stop the

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Speaker 3: travel plans. The woman accused of attacking two Muslim women

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Speaker 3: at a shopping center in Melbourne last week has sobbed

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Speaker 3: over her mother in court while one of her victims

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Speaker 3: explained how she remains traumatized. The thirty one year old

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Speaker 3: alleged attacker has been accused of assaulting pregnant woman Ila

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Speaker 3: for Alisawi, and then ten minutes later attacking another woman.

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Speaker 3: Both were wearing a hijob. The alleged victim explained how

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Speaker 3: she was ambushed before she was slapped with a closed

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Speaker 3: fist across the face and chest before being shoved to

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Speaker 3: the ground. The childcare worker, who was grocery shopping while

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Speaker 3: on her lunch break, says the incident left her shaking

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Speaker 3: she still can't believe that it happened to her, and

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Speaker 3: that she feels traumatized and has trouble sleeping due to

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Speaker 3: the painful bruising. The alleged attacker, who's belief to have

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Speaker 3: been diagnosed with schizophrenia, will be back in court again today.

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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump has called Ukraine's leader Vladimir Zelensky

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Speaker 3: a dictator. In a lengthy post on social media, Trump

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Speaker 3: that never had to start, but a war that he,

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Speaker 3: without the US and Trump, would never be able to settle.

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Speaker 3: Trump went on to say that Zelenski has admitted half

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Speaker 3: the money the US sent him was missing, that he

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Speaker 3: refuses to hold elections, is polling very low in Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen due to the ongoing war with Russia, a

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Speaker 3: and while Zelenski's popularity has dropped from its incredible high

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Speaker 3: Zelenski also said there's no missing aid money and that

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Speaker 3: her movie Wicked, Cynthia Arrivo has been named as the

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Speaker 3: host of the twenty twenty five Tony Awards. The thirty

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Speaker 3: the glorious honor that she's looking for to ushering the

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Speaker 3: of the past three years, Arianna Deboe, said she probably

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the world today. Next, the truth

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Speaker 1: behind the wellness empire built on lies. If you were

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Speaker 3: For a person living with brain cancer Maata and you

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Speaker 2: What are your top tips for health?

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Speaker 4: I think it's about getting back to the fundamentals of

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Speaker 1: She was the wellness influencer who captured international attention with

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Speaker 1: The Whole Pantry made her a global sensation. But there

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Speaker 1: hadn't just lied about having cancer. She'd promised to donate

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Speaker 1: The Australian started digging, Gibson's empire crumbled, eventually leading to

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Speaker 1: Affairs Victoria. Now Netflix is telling her story, but with

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Speaker 5: I don't mean to be crass about it, but it

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Speaker 5: that you didn't have brain cancer. It wasn't an indicator.

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Speaker 1: Others have been dramatized for effect to help us separate

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Speaker 1: fact from fiction. In Apple Cider Vinegar were joined by

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Speaker 1: Muma Mia writer Chelsea Hoy, who's been investigating what really happened. Chelse,

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Speaker 1: Obviously parts of this story have been fictionalized for TV,

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Speaker 1: but large chunks of it did actually happen. What are

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Speaker 4: There's a scene in the show where Belle Gibson shows

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Speaker 4: up to a wellness influencer Miller's funeral and makes sort

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Speaker 4: Bell Gibson did show up to influencer jess Ainkoff's funeral,

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Speaker 4: who many have been saying was part of the inspiration

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Speaker 4: for Miller's character, and despite a lot of people claiming

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Speaker 1: One of the other moments in the show that I

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Speaker 2: Do we know if that actually happened?

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Speaker 4: So the miscarriage scene in the show is actually based

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Speaker 4: off of real claims that the real Bell Gibson made

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Speaker 4: about her own miscarriage that she suffered in twenty twelve. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: But when she was interviewed by Women's Weekly in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: What about the money she raised?

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Speaker 1: Usually when something fills off, we're told to follow the money,

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Speaker 2: And people who needed it. In the show, though.

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Speaker 1: We see that it didn't really eventuate for anybody. What

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Speaker 4: So part of the reason Bell was actually caught in

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Speaker 4: the end was due to unpaid charity pledges. She had

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Speaker 4: promised to donate profits from a cookbook to various causes,

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Speaker 4: as you were saying, and investigations revealed that the majority

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Speaker 4: of these donations, reportedly around three hundred thousand dollars, were

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Speaker 4: And this actually happened in real life. So Gibbs and

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Speaker 4: raised funds for Joshua Schwartz, who was diagnosed with terminal

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Speaker 4: Parents claim that they didn't actually know about the fundraiser,

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Speaker 4: and Indie end didn't see a center of that.

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Speaker 1: characters in the show. Can you explain to us who

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Speaker 1: Miller is and who she's linked to in real life?

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Jess ains Cough before, so.

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Speaker 4: The character Miller has been quite a controversial one since

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Speaker 4: the release of the show. So while the actress who

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Speaker 4: has claimed that Miller's more of like a composite of

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Speaker 4: share several similarities to Jesse ain's Cough, who wasn't wellness

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Speaker 1: That's actually a real life person and that's really her

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, Chanel on the show is loosely based on

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Speaker 4: a real person, Bell Gibson's former best friend, Chanelle mccauliffe.

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Speaker 4: According to The Times, the real Chanell first cross paths

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Speaker 4: Chanell made it her sort of mission to expose the

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Speaker 4: Tuscano and Bodanelli of Bell's deception.

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Speaker 1: And we see that sort of from the very first

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Speaker 4: Correct?

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Speaker 2: What about Belle herself?

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Speaker 1: How much do you think of what we see on

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Speaker 4: Well, I feel like Netflix has prefaced the show is

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Speaker 4: Some things including the relationship between Miller and Bell has

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Speaker 2: Did before we let you go, ChEls.

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Speaker 1: I know that I am not the only person, but

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Speaker 1: since this show was released and Bell Gibson has inevitably

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Speaker 1: become back in the headlines, I've googled so much to

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Speaker 1: find out where Belle Gibson is now, what's happening now?

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Speaker 1: We know that she was slapped with a fine just

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Speaker 1: over four hundred thousand dollars. Like you mentioned, consumer Affairs

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Speaker 1: she ever actually paid that fine back? In what she's

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Speaker 4: So they did not ever see that money that she

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Speaker 4: those fines. As of right now. Back in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: she was discovered involved in Melbourne's Ethiopian community, where she

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Speaker 1: of us ask is did she ever go to prison?

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Speaker 1: It feels like there's a lot of punishable crimes that

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Speaker 4: She did not go to prison, despite being found guilty

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Speaker 4: of five breaches of consumer law. She hasn't spent any

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Speaker 4: seventeen and was ordered, as we've mentioned, to pay that

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Speaker 4: As of right now, no jail time.

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Speaker 1: of Bell Gibson and ultimately the unraveling of her lies,

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Speaker 1: today our friends over on the True Crime Conversations podcast

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Speaker 6: to prove that she had cancer, any scans, any hospital

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Speaker 6: doctor reports. She said that she didn't like to keep

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Speaker 6: asked her about this stage four diagnosis that she had

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Speaker 6: just announced, and I said, what hospital did you go

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Speaker 6: her who was that doctor? What's his name? And she said,

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Speaker 1: There'll be a link to listen to the whole episode

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Speaker 1: more on the fact and fiction of Apple Side of Vinegar,

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Speaker 1: we'll pop some stories from the Mamma Mea team in

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Speaker 1: our show notes too. Thanks for taking some time to

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Speaker 1: feed her mind with us today. The quickie is produced

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Speaker 1: by Meg Tailor Strano and Claire Murphy, with audio production

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Speaker 1: by lou Hill.