1 00:00:11,149 --> 00:00:15,349 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mum and mea podcast. Mama Maya 2 00:00:15,429 --> 00:00:18,669 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this 3 00:00:18,709 --> 00:00:20,069 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,389 --> 00:00:26,789 Speaker 2: I am pregnanty. 5 00:00:27,469 --> 00:00:30,309 Speaker 1: Welcome to Hello Bump. We're making pregnancy less overwhelming and 6 00:00:30,389 --> 00:00:33,149 Speaker 1: more manageable. I'm Gracey Rufrey. I'm pregnant for the first 7 00:00:33,189 --> 00:00:35,549 Speaker 1: time and I can't tell if I have round ligament 8 00:00:35,629 --> 00:00:36,989 Speaker 1: pain or constipation. 9 00:00:38,149 --> 00:00:40,389 Speaker 2: I'm had a hitman. I'm a former Olympic athlete, I'm 10 00:00:40,389 --> 00:00:42,109 Speaker 2: a mum of six kids, and I'm now training to 11 00:00:42,109 --> 00:00:43,589 Speaker 2: be an obstetrician and gynecologist. 12 00:00:44,029 --> 00:00:46,389 Speaker 1: Each week, Leanna and I will be holding your hand 13 00:00:46,509 --> 00:00:49,829 Speaker 1: week by week through the mysterious, perplexing, and sometimes anxious 14 00:00:49,869 --> 00:00:51,149 Speaker 1: miracle that is pregnancy. 15 00:00:51,869 --> 00:00:53,149 Speaker 2: Week nineteen. 16 00:00:54,949 --> 00:00:57,349 Speaker 1: That's we're almost halfway. So what size are we at? 17 00:00:58,109 --> 00:01:00,909 Speaker 2: A baby is now the size of a grapefruit fruit. 18 00:01:01,989 --> 00:01:03,949 Speaker 1: Or like a pint of like a small little tub 19 00:01:03,989 --> 00:01:04,589 Speaker 1: of ice cream? 20 00:01:04,909 --> 00:01:06,709 Speaker 2: Or what are those like kids basketball or you don't 21 00:01:06,709 --> 00:01:09,429 Speaker 2: have I have. There's lots of little balls everywhere around 22 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:11,549 Speaker 2: my house, those little kids basketballs. 23 00:01:11,589 --> 00:01:13,389 Speaker 1: What are little balls on the foot of the balls? 24 00:01:14,149 --> 00:01:17,509 Speaker 2: Baby is fifteen centimeters about two hundred and forty grants. 25 00:01:17,749 --> 00:01:21,309 Speaker 1: Okay, getting bigger? And what else have they grown or 26 00:01:21,349 --> 00:01:22,669 Speaker 1: gotten bigger this week? 27 00:01:23,069 --> 00:01:24,909 Speaker 2: The baby's skin has now actually started to make that 28 00:01:24,949 --> 00:01:27,509 Speaker 2: really white, sticky substance you sometimes see on newborn babies. 29 00:01:27,509 --> 00:01:30,229 Speaker 2: We call it vernix from it's there to protect the skin. 30 00:01:30,309 --> 00:01:32,349 Speaker 2: So over the next couple of weeks, your baby will 31 00:01:32,349 --> 00:01:34,989 Speaker 2: start making more layers of skin, so the skin has 32 00:01:34,989 --> 00:01:36,629 Speaker 2: five or six layers in it, and it actually takes 33 00:01:36,629 --> 00:01:38,109 Speaker 2: time to build it up as to protect them from 34 00:01:38,109 --> 00:01:41,389 Speaker 2: that amniotic fluid that's starting to increase in volume. And 35 00:01:41,509 --> 00:01:43,949 Speaker 2: now they can hear outside the womb, so they'll start 36 00:01:43,989 --> 00:01:45,909 Speaker 2: hearing your voice and your heartbeat, so it's not just 37 00:01:45,949 --> 00:01:47,869 Speaker 2: what's happening inside the uterus. It can be a little 38 00:01:47,869 --> 00:01:48,469 Speaker 2: bit beyond that. 39 00:01:49,349 --> 00:01:50,389 Speaker 1: And their brain. 40 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:52,469 Speaker 2: Continues to develop rapidly, so it's actually starting to make 41 00:01:52,509 --> 00:01:54,749 Speaker 2: what we call synapses, the connections within the brain that 42 00:01:54,789 --> 00:01:59,029 Speaker 2: will be required for later sensory processing and movement, cognition, 43 00:01:59,069 --> 00:02:00,669 Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So the really important parts 44 00:02:00,669 --> 00:02:02,789 Speaker 2: of the brain are now developing quite rapidly. 45 00:02:03,469 --> 00:02:08,149 Speaker 1: When they can hear, can they hear an exterior voice 46 00:02:08,189 --> 00:02:10,909 Speaker 1: better than my voice? Is my voice vibrations or is 47 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:11,829 Speaker 1: it the same noise. 48 00:02:12,029 --> 00:02:15,029 Speaker 2: At this point, they'll hear more of what you're oh. Yeah, 49 00:02:15,109 --> 00:02:18,269 Speaker 2: So even if it's movements, they'll hear how your gut moves, 50 00:02:18,309 --> 00:02:20,229 Speaker 2: they'll hear fart, they'll hear all those sort of things 51 00:02:20,269 --> 00:02:21,269 Speaker 2: that are quite close to them. 52 00:02:21,789 --> 00:02:24,949 Speaker 1: A sonographer once said to me that in an ultrasound, 53 00:02:24,989 --> 00:02:26,349 Speaker 1: if they want the baby to move, they get the 54 00:02:26,389 --> 00:02:29,309 Speaker 1: partner to come over and talk yeah, because they are 55 00:02:29,389 --> 00:02:32,429 Speaker 1: used to that. Yeah, or they've started to. I guess 56 00:02:32,429 --> 00:02:34,029 Speaker 1: when can they recognize the voice. 57 00:02:34,149 --> 00:02:36,309 Speaker 2: Not for a few more weeks. Okay, so it's coming. 58 00:02:37,069 --> 00:02:38,349 Speaker 2: I think it's the size of the world. They've got 59 00:02:38,349 --> 00:02:39,269 Speaker 2: a bit more growth to go. 60 00:02:39,829 --> 00:02:43,429 Speaker 1: What what's happening to me and what's happening to us? 61 00:02:43,589 --> 00:02:44,829 Speaker 1: What's happening to the women's body. 62 00:02:45,749 --> 00:02:47,229 Speaker 2: We talked about this before, but this is the time 63 00:02:47,229 --> 00:02:49,589 Speaker 2: when most women complain that they're definitely feeling their feet 64 00:02:49,789 --> 00:02:51,789 Speaker 2: relax and get bigger. So we have already discussed that, 65 00:02:51,829 --> 00:02:53,829 Speaker 2: but that is probably the time it happens most And 66 00:02:53,909 --> 00:02:56,309 Speaker 2: now your breaths are really starting to grow their milk 67 00:02:56,349 --> 00:02:58,709 Speaker 2: ducts and increase in blood flow and fast aor so 68 00:02:59,269 --> 00:03:00,909 Speaker 2: this is the time I'd say it's time to get 69 00:03:00,989 --> 00:03:02,909 Speaker 2: either a new bra or at least a BRAH extension 70 00:03:02,909 --> 00:03:04,149 Speaker 2: so you can keep using the ones you have. 71 00:03:05,269 --> 00:03:07,389 Speaker 1: They definitely sometimes they look in the mirror and I go, 72 00:03:07,549 --> 00:03:10,029 Speaker 1: this looks ridiculous. They've gotten quite big. 73 00:03:10,429 --> 00:03:11,989 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I often get cussed past by women too. 74 00:03:12,069 --> 00:03:13,309 Speaker 2: Or does that mean I'm going to start making milk? 75 00:03:13,349 --> 00:03:15,789 Speaker 2: You know what's happening. But it's inhibited at the moment 76 00:03:15,829 --> 00:03:17,789 Speaker 2: by the east grogen and progesterone of pregnancy. So it's 77 00:03:17,789 --> 00:03:19,869 Speaker 2: when you actually have your baby that that inhibition is 78 00:03:19,909 --> 00:03:22,309 Speaker 2: released and you'll start they producing prolactin, which will then 79 00:03:22,349 --> 00:03:25,229 Speaker 2: lead to lactation. But at this point it's all stopped 80 00:03:25,229 --> 00:03:27,709 Speaker 2: by pregnancy, which also means obviously if your baby does 81 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:30,989 Speaker 2: come early, that same process will happen as that inhibition releases, 82 00:03:31,029 --> 00:03:32,869 Speaker 2: and then the lactation will continue, will start. 83 00:03:33,789 --> 00:03:35,789 Speaker 1: Is this normal? Is it normal? What I want to 84 00:03:35,829 --> 00:03:37,789 Speaker 1: ask about? Is this normal? Is I want to talk 85 00:03:37,789 --> 00:03:40,469 Speaker 1: about mental health? At this point, we are almost halfway, 86 00:03:40,469 --> 00:03:44,549 Speaker 1: which can feel like such a milestone. But for me particularly, 87 00:03:44,549 --> 00:03:47,509 Speaker 1: I was still vomiting at this stage, and I'd tried 88 00:03:47,749 --> 00:03:49,429 Speaker 1: a lot of things like I tried I'll read the 89 00:03:49,469 --> 00:03:51,709 Speaker 1: list of things just in case anyone else is in 90 00:03:51,749 --> 00:03:54,789 Speaker 1: this position. I tried small meals, eating late at night, 91 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:56,349 Speaker 1: setting an alarm to eat in the middle of the 92 00:03:56,429 --> 00:03:58,469 Speaker 1: night so I wasn't getting up and vomiting. I tried 93 00:03:58,509 --> 00:04:03,589 Speaker 1: snacks every hour, sea sickness tablets, seasickness bands, acupuncture, ginger tea, 94 00:04:03,629 --> 00:04:06,709 Speaker 1: ginger loll these, ginger biscuits, ginger tablets, ginger juice, two 95 00:04:06,749 --> 00:04:10,509 Speaker 1: types of anti nausea medication. I wasn't prescribed the cancer 96 00:04:10,549 --> 00:04:13,429 Speaker 1: medication because they guess we've talked about. They said that 97 00:04:13,469 --> 00:04:16,069 Speaker 1: I wasn't eligible for it this day. 98 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:18,789 Speaker 2: They said, you weren't. I know, I promise you listen 99 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:21,269 Speaker 2: as I'm not trying to dish doctors. But they weren't. 100 00:04:21,269 --> 00:04:23,309 Speaker 2: They didn't recognize it as hyph premises yet was were 101 00:04:23,309 --> 00:04:24,949 Speaker 2: you not wretching and vomiting? And when we go back 102 00:04:24,989 --> 00:04:27,789 Speaker 2: to the puke score, you weren't. I still was not 103 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:30,109 Speaker 2: just every day. I was not just every day all day. 104 00:04:30,269 --> 00:04:33,789 Speaker 1: I was still only vomiting three times maximum, and I 105 00:04:33,829 --> 00:04:36,349 Speaker 1: think maybe I could count on one hand to the 106 00:04:36,349 --> 00:04:37,989 Speaker 1: amount of times it was more than three times. But 107 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:39,349 Speaker 1: it was vomiting every day. 108 00:04:39,229 --> 00:04:40,909 Speaker 2: And your weight loss was going maintained. 109 00:04:41,269 --> 00:04:43,149 Speaker 1: I was losing weight. I think it's because I was 110 00:04:43,149 --> 00:04:44,509 Speaker 1: eating terribly. 111 00:04:45,069 --> 00:04:47,309 Speaker 2: So and I think that's what's hard is the diagnosis 112 00:04:47,309 --> 00:04:49,429 Speaker 2: is so difficult because you don't fit the ball part. 113 00:04:49,429 --> 00:04:51,869 Speaker 2: We still feel crap. So yeah, you've got to see obviously, 114 00:04:52,029 --> 00:04:54,749 Speaker 2: like for example, you can see kidney dysfunction in people 115 00:04:54,749 --> 00:04:57,069 Speaker 2: with severe high premises and they lose five percent of 116 00:04:57,229 --> 00:04:59,549 Speaker 2: up to five more than five percent of their body weight. 117 00:05:00,149 --> 00:05:01,909 Speaker 2: But you know what, I actual think it's almost as 118 00:05:01,989 --> 00:05:04,869 Speaker 2: hard for you ladies who actually aren't formally diagnosed because 119 00:05:04,869 --> 00:05:08,829 Speaker 2: they don't meet your criteria. But yet you're persistently feeling You're. 120 00:05:08,669 --> 00:05:11,669 Speaker 1: Still going to work and you still trying to hold 121 00:05:11,709 --> 00:05:13,989 Speaker 1: onto a job. And I definitely got into a dark 122 00:05:14,029 --> 00:05:16,469 Speaker 1: place about it because everyone had said you're going to 123 00:05:16,509 --> 00:05:18,349 Speaker 1: feel better by this point, by this point, and then 124 00:05:18,389 --> 00:05:20,269 Speaker 1: that point came and went, and then the next point 125 00:05:20,349 --> 00:05:23,029 Speaker 1: came and went, and you go, Okay, I'm starting to 126 00:05:23,109 --> 00:05:24,789 Speaker 1: have to get used to the idea that this could 127 00:05:24,829 --> 00:05:29,629 Speaker 1: be another twenty weeks of this. And I did start 128 00:05:29,669 --> 00:05:32,429 Speaker 1: to go low also because if you are having a 129 00:05:32,429 --> 00:05:35,549 Speaker 1: bad time and everyone's excited about your pregnancy and especially 130 00:05:35,629 --> 00:05:38,789 Speaker 1: your bump is starting to show, everyone's like are you excited? 131 00:05:39,309 --> 00:05:41,709 Speaker 1: And you'd have to start well, I had to rehearse 132 00:05:41,709 --> 00:05:44,869 Speaker 1: a response to say was I excited? Because I wasn't. 133 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:46,029 Speaker 1: I was just feeling awful. 134 00:05:46,269 --> 00:05:47,989 Speaker 2: And let's be honest, it's hard to fake something for 135 00:05:47,989 --> 00:05:49,349 Speaker 2: a long time and you want to be excited, and 136 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:51,429 Speaker 2: then the guilty setting because you're like, I should be excited. 137 00:05:51,469 --> 00:05:53,269 Speaker 2: Everybody else is excited, but I'm not excited. 138 00:05:53,349 --> 00:05:54,549 Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard. 139 00:05:54,589 --> 00:05:57,229 Speaker 2: And look, there's lots of things in pregnancy that make 140 00:05:57,309 --> 00:05:59,949 Speaker 2: people feel terrible. You know, the veins, the nauseous is 141 00:05:59,949 --> 00:06:02,349 Speaker 2: the obviously huge one, the lack of sleep. There's relationship 142 00:06:02,389 --> 00:06:05,029 Speaker 2: considerations at this time. Sometimes partners are not engaging and 143 00:06:05,029 --> 00:06:07,229 Speaker 2: they're not, you know, being as excited as you are, 144 00:06:07,349 --> 00:06:09,509 Speaker 2: or vice versa. They're super excited and you feel terrible 145 00:06:10,189 --> 00:06:13,429 Speaker 2: existing mental health conditions. So the biggest key there is 146 00:06:13,469 --> 00:06:17,309 Speaker 2: to recognize if it's happening, if you're feeling dark, do that. Hope. 147 00:06:17,309 --> 00:06:19,309 Speaker 2: Hopefully I've done the Edeburd depression scale at some point 148 00:06:19,309 --> 00:06:20,869 Speaker 2: in pregnancy, how midwife should have done it with. 149 00:06:20,909 --> 00:06:22,189 Speaker 1: Yesh did redo it? 150 00:06:22,629 --> 00:06:24,989 Speaker 2: And if the scale is high, it's time to actually 151 00:06:25,069 --> 00:06:28,269 Speaker 2: prioritize some funds towards yourself, find out whatever it is 152 00:06:28,309 --> 00:06:30,589 Speaker 2: it might be, you know, fun social things like going 153 00:06:30,589 --> 00:06:33,029 Speaker 2: out for coffee more frequently, reaching out to a friend, 154 00:06:33,029 --> 00:06:35,229 Speaker 2: being honest. The more authentic you are with this situation, 155 00:06:35,269 --> 00:06:36,949 Speaker 2: you might you know, inspire someone else to do the 156 00:06:36,949 --> 00:06:39,909 Speaker 2: same when they're pregnant. Or go and see a psychologist, 157 00:06:39,949 --> 00:06:41,589 Speaker 2: you know, go and see your GP, get a mental 158 00:06:41,589 --> 00:06:43,629 Speaker 2: health plan. You'll get five to six free appointments with 159 00:06:43,869 --> 00:06:47,189 Speaker 2: a psychologists, not free, but rebated at least appointments with 160 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:50,149 Speaker 2: a psychologist. And if you can't afford that, most hospitals 161 00:06:50,189 --> 00:06:52,509 Speaker 2: have a perinatal mental health team. So it's actually time 162 00:06:52,549 --> 00:06:55,229 Speaker 2: to be actually brave, brave and say, look, I'm feeling 163 00:06:55,229 --> 00:06:58,109 Speaker 2: pretty low. Here can I be you know, put in 164 00:06:58,109 --> 00:07:00,429 Speaker 2: contact with someone at the hospital caveat there, guys, if 165 00:07:00,429 --> 00:07:03,989 Speaker 2: there's anyone suicidal, which does happen in pregnancy. So with 166 00:07:04,149 --> 00:07:07,349 Speaker 2: hear of post natal depression, we have intrapartum depression as 167 00:07:07,389 --> 00:07:11,349 Speaker 2: well and pregnancy depression. It's really important and to reach 168 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:14,269 Speaker 2: out through the emergency department and get acute help today. 169 00:07:15,509 --> 00:07:17,069 Speaker 1: And what are some things that we can do apart 170 00:07:17,109 --> 00:07:19,589 Speaker 1: from if we are struggling with our mental health, what 171 00:07:19,589 --> 00:07:22,989 Speaker 1: are some other things on the checklist that pregnant women 172 00:07:23,069 --> 00:07:23,469 Speaker 1: can do. 173 00:07:23,549 --> 00:07:25,069 Speaker 2: I think more at this point trying to find just 174 00:07:25,149 --> 00:07:27,709 Speaker 2: active ways to keep your mind well, so mental health 175 00:07:27,789 --> 00:07:30,349 Speaker 2: or non if you excited to start preparing some things now, 176 00:07:30,429 --> 00:07:32,549 Speaker 2: so cooking some nice meals that you won't be able 177 00:07:32,589 --> 00:07:33,749 Speaker 2: to Let's be honest, you're going to be feeling a 178 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:35,629 Speaker 2: bit like a whale and the last trimester of pregnancies 179 00:07:35,669 --> 00:07:37,429 Speaker 2: are starting to prepare the freezer full of food for 180 00:07:37,429 --> 00:07:40,149 Speaker 2: pre and post baby, going out and having those coffees 181 00:07:40,149 --> 00:07:42,309 Speaker 2: and those regular walks. Exercise I think is a really 182 00:07:42,349 --> 00:07:44,709 Speaker 2: big key at this time in pregnancy because you can 183 00:07:44,749 --> 00:07:46,789 Speaker 2: sort of just finally feel well enough that you can 184 00:07:46,829 --> 00:07:50,829 Speaker 2: engage in exercise again and start planning around social activities 185 00:07:50,829 --> 00:07:53,149 Speaker 2: with your exercise, so just all your well being stuff. 186 00:07:53,189 --> 00:07:55,309 Speaker 2: It's really important to discuss this at the moment. 187 00:08:03,029 --> 00:08:05,309 Speaker 1: My talk kid is actually centered around this as well. 188 00:08:05,309 --> 00:08:06,829 Speaker 1: This is around the time that my partner and I 189 00:08:06,989 --> 00:08:10,709 Speaker 1: just ordered dinner Ladies. Yes that's great and it's too 190 00:08:10,709 --> 00:08:13,349 Speaker 1: hard to cook. And also I think it's important to 191 00:08:13,389 --> 00:08:15,709 Speaker 1: talk about the mental load of the partner who if 192 00:08:15,709 --> 00:08:18,869 Speaker 1: they have been a career for you, yes they should, 193 00:08:19,549 --> 00:08:23,069 Speaker 1: but that can start to become fatiguing for them, and 194 00:08:23,309 --> 00:08:26,189 Speaker 1: I don't think you can be annoyed at them for that. 195 00:08:26,509 --> 00:08:29,869 Speaker 1: I think it does just take a toll. So instead 196 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:32,589 Speaker 1: of him just having to be the cook, we just went, 197 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:35,429 Speaker 1: let's just order stuff and so it wasn't uber eats, 198 00:08:35,469 --> 00:08:37,829 Speaker 1: it was nutritious, it was healthy. So we got dinner 199 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:41,829 Speaker 1: Ladies and we've been doing that since weeknight. Great good. 200 00:08:41,869 --> 00:08:44,669 Speaker 2: I mean I even like muscle Chef yes at Willaks like, 201 00:08:44,669 --> 00:08:46,509 Speaker 2: I think it's quite I take it to work nowadays. 202 00:08:47,189 --> 00:08:49,309 Speaker 2: And it's also for mums that are looking after other 203 00:08:49,389 --> 00:08:50,949 Speaker 2: kids at home, Like if you're at home all day 204 00:08:50,989 --> 00:08:52,589 Speaker 2: looking after one of your children and then you're like, 205 00:08:52,629 --> 00:08:54,109 Speaker 2: oh my god, another one's coming and I can barely 206 00:08:54,149 --> 00:08:56,509 Speaker 2: look after this one. Very normal, by the way, that 207 00:08:56,509 --> 00:08:59,669 Speaker 2: that's exactly find a way to outsource. So get a cleaner, 208 00:09:00,109 --> 00:09:03,029 Speaker 2: get your meals sorted out. I do outsource as much 209 00:09:03,069 --> 00:09:05,029 Speaker 2: as you can. Get a babysit a couple of days 210 00:09:05,029 --> 00:09:06,909 Speaker 2: a week to help with the todd level. You're trying 211 00:09:06,909 --> 00:09:09,469 Speaker 2: to get a bit of rest, because those self priority 212 00:09:09,469 --> 00:09:11,229 Speaker 2: and that self care stuff will really set you up 213 00:09:11,269 --> 00:09:12,749 Speaker 2: for the next couple of weeks. And then obviously when 214 00:09:12,749 --> 00:09:14,589 Speaker 2: this baby comes, there's a lot less time for those since, 215 00:09:14,629 --> 00:09:16,869 Speaker 2: so it's time to really put them in, book them in, 216 00:09:16,949 --> 00:09:18,829 Speaker 2: not just assume it's going to happen. Actually find a 217 00:09:18,829 --> 00:09:20,469 Speaker 2: place in your diary in and make it happen. 218 00:09:23,909 --> 00:09:26,069 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode of Hello Bump. 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